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🧵 /scg/ - STEM career general

Anonymous No. 16133918

"The First Key of Basil Valentine" edition

Last thread: >>16117647

This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM.
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Anonymous No. 16133944

>>16133918
I am about to begin my PhD program this August and I have several questions that I cannot find the answer to anywhere in the internet. How can can I be hyperproductive while also being sane at the same time? I heard burnout and depression is a common experience as a graduate student but I want to avoid that since I already had it as an undergrad. How can I pick a PI and/or research project that attracts employers? Trying to match and predict the future demands and trends of an industry 4-5 years in the future is proving difficult for me. Also, what should I do during the summer to prepare for the graduate student experience? I am already planning to study for the entrance exams and learning how to use Excel, but what else?

Anonymous No. 16133965

Is it unprofessional to contact my appointed "mentor" on linkedin prior to the beginning of my internship? I know email is the standard, but they take so long with all the back and forth. I have some miscellaneous questions I'd like to ask him, plus he's a young guy. Also it seems to me that people are more restrained when using email, and I'd like some frank answers. Just wondering if this is considered unprofessional in the corporate world.

Anonymous No. 16133972

>>16133944
Going to be harsh, take with a grain of salt
>hyperproductive while also being sane
If you see these as contradictory, then it's not possible for you without a lifestyle change.
>burnout and depression
It happens when you aren't meeting your true goals.
>already had it as an undergrad
Grim, but it's not over.
>How can I pick a PI
You should have a good idea (2-3 candidates) already going in or it's grim.
>research project
That's the point of having a good PI. Choose one who you can actually learn from.
>attracts employers
Why are you doing a Ph.D. instead of Masters or getting a job?
>predict the future demands and trends
Build general skills, target specialized achievements. Make sure more people than your PI care about your project areas.
>entrance exams and learning how to use Excel
Grim if this is the most productive use of your time you can think of.

Anonymous No. 16134078

>>16133944
>learning how to use excel
are you getting a phd in business or some shti? just read papers related to whatever topic you want to study. If you don't know what to read, look at recent publications from one of the profs you want to be your advisor and branch off from there

Anonymous No. 16134263

>>16133965
It's fine but don't read too much into it if he ignores you for whatever reason, since it's not an efficient use of time for him to interact with you before you start

Anonymous No. 16134728

>>16134078
An an engineer, here is what I will say -
Excel is something we never used in college, but if you have to ask how to do something in excel at work, everyone immediately thinks you're a massive idiot. It isn't a meme, learn excel.

Anonymous No. 16134740

>>16134728
ok great, he asked about preparing for a phd

Anonymous No. 16134749

>>16134740
oh right I forgot this general went from STEM career general to STEM status striver general, my b

Anonymous No. 16134751

>>16134749
Where is your phd from? What did you get it in?

Anonymous No. 16134762

Are french universities generally well regarded for CS?

Anonymous No. 16134798

I laughed at some of my professor's jokes and now he's always making eye contact with me in lectures how tf do I stop this

Anonymous No. 16134848

>>16133944
>learning how to use Excel
for what? Keeping a list of publications? In that case you should look into more appropriate tools such as Zotero.
https://www.zotero.org/

Anonymous No. 16134851

We have had a lot of doom posting, time for happier news:
>Canadian science gets biggest boost to PhD and postdoc pay in 20 years
https://archive.is/esFUo
>“We are investing over $5 billion in Canadian brainpower,” said finance minister Chrystia Freeland in her budget speech on 16 April. “More funding for research and scholarships will help Canada attract the next generation of game-changing thinkers.”
>Postgraduate students and postdoctoral researchers have been advocating for higher pay for the past two years through a campaign called Support Our Science. They requested an increase in the value, and number, of federal government scholarships, and got more than they asked for. Stipends for master’s students will rise from Can$17,500 (US$12,700) to $27,000 per year, PhDs stipends that ranged from $20,000 to $35,000 will be set to a uniform annual $40,000 and most postdoctoral-fellowship salaries will increase from $45,000 to $70,000 per annum. The number of scholarships and fellowships provided will also rise over time, building to around 1,720 more per year after five years.

Anonymous No. 16135123

>>16134762
Paris-Saclay and INRIA is good otherwise a lot of top french CS people seem to go to Geneva and Lausanne
There are also grandes écoles like École Polytechnique which are not very accessible to non-Francophone foreigners

Anonymous No. 16135161

>>16133918
>Graduated with a MEng in Electronic Engineering in 2019
>dull but well paying IT job since
>want to get more into real STEM again withour a significant drop in income
What are my best options?

Anonymous No. 16135333

>>16135161
STEM is not an action movie. A boring job has its benefits. You are one of the few that actually made it. What part of IT is not STEM to you?

Anonymous No. 16135334

>>16134851
More money to send home sar!

Anonymous No. 16135467

>>16133944
>learning how to use Excel
If you're looking to be an engineer in industry I'd highly recommend it. I'd say 30-40% of my job I'm looking at excel sheets, which is bullshit but it's the truth.

Anonymous No. 16135580

>>16135161
So you want a dull but poorly paying job with bad job security?

Anonymous No. 16135595

I'm about to undertake a STEM degree (majoring in Math)
Do minors matter at all for further progression? Was thinking of minoring in Chem

Anonymous No. 16135612

I currently have a business degree from a large state school in the US, but want to switch to get a computer science or engineering degree part time in germany. Is it even worth it to do so? I've always enjoyed STEM topics and want to be able to have a stronger technical background but I'm worried with AI and the horror stories on here at least on the computer science side. The engineering degree is just a general engineering degree with a focus on electrical engineering with various specializations (energy, robotics, etc.)

The programs are both 100% online and would be really flexible with my schedule. I'd also like to us this degree to eventually get my master's in something more technical, but everything I've seen my bullshit meme business degree from the US doesn't really help me qualify and I don't want to do an MBA.

Any anons have advice on pursuing a second bachelor's to get a master's or just in general would it be a good idea to go for this? If this helps this is the uni.

https://www.iu.de/

Anonymous No. 16135686

Is it possible to get a job in biology/chemistry/research with a major in them? I work full time and don't want to give that up for my studies but I can still study shit like math

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Anonymous No. 16135724

>>16135686

Anonymous No. 16135826

>>16135580
I want something intellectually stimulating that also lets me contribute towards something meaningful

Anonymous No. 16135871

>day 110 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16135886

>>16135826
Get a hobby and take up volunteering.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16136003

What are my options? Suggestions?

Anonymous No. 16136006

>>16135871
Not networking was the mistake. Besides, I told you about teacher-pill last and edutainment-pill last thread.
>>16136003
Didn't we tell you it looked fine last thread?

Anonymous No. 16136038

>>16136006
>networking
What does that even mean?

Anonymous No. 16136072

>>16136038
Making people like you to the point they want to have you around and hire you. The best and most lucrative job I ever had I got because I went to the same school at the same time as the hiring manager

Anonymous No. 16136097

>>16136072
>Making people like you
So, basically, "just be yourself". Lmao.

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Anonymous No. 16136118

last semester senior here. I was originally going to be an H&H civil guy but I've pivoted towards land development. I'm in talks with a recruiter for a possible EIT interview in Atlanta (GA fag here). This is my first degree-related job interview ever. Any tips? My resume isn't super geared towards land-dev and I don't have civil 3d experience altho I know its similar to the basline AutoCAD I used in undergrad.

please, any advice would be nice. thanks

Anonymous No. 16136126

>>16136097
> "just be yourself"

as long as being yourself isn't being an ugly retarded sperg/spastic then yeah. In hindsight I should have made more friends in college. Would have been nice to have some chill bros that could have hooked my ass up with a job.

Anonymous No. 16136146

>>16136097
No, it means actually meeting people. At a conference go up to someone and say hi, i do blah, what do you do? then later you ask them if they have job openings. Is it a sure thing? no, but its better than a faceless resume

Anonymous No. 16136148

>>16136118
>any tips?
yeah, atlanta fucking blows

Anonymous No. 16136213

>>16136038
>Going to conferences and poster presentations and chatting up the people there even if it's small talk
>Getting to know the faculty of your uni besides your PI.
These are just some basic examples.

Anonymous No. 16136215

>be white guy
>"Anon you really should apply for this job"
>"It's not really worth it. I'll get DEI'd"
>"That's not real, fix your attitude loser!"
>Apply
>Get rejected
>"You just weren't qualified enough Anon, take it as a learning experience"

Anonymous No. 16136279

>>16136118
Be handsome to win over roasties

Anonymous No. 16136325

>>16136215
>showing your power level to normies

congrats now everyone thinks you're racist.

Anonymous No. 16136375

Any one with tips on doing an EE degree online? Is it even possible to do that with a quality education or will I just be bullshitting myself?

Anonymous No. 16136530

>>16136097
No, in fact for the majority of people on this site I would suggest starting off by being the opposite of how you are naturally.

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Anonymous No. 16136974

>>16136530
that is the joke

Anonymous No. 16137028

>>16136375
You need to be doing some lab work for EE

Anonymous No. 16137030

>>16137028
Yeah I was thinking the same thing and was worried the curriculum was lacking that. Reviewing there are options to go on site for some classes, but I don't think it's lab based just lectures. They also have computer science online which is was debating, but engineering seems like overall/long term more secure and interesting to me.

Anonymous No. 16137051

>>16136974
There's nothing funny about the current state of the scientific job market.

Anonymous No. 16137117

>>16137030
You could do CS online. If your uni doesn't have a decent lab it shouldn't offer EE degrees

Anonymous No. 16137148

>day 111 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16137272

>>16137117
Thanks for the feedback. This is the engineering course and reviewing it there is an option to go on campus, but still it seems all theoretical teachings

https://www.iu.de/bachelor/engineering/fernstudium/

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Anonymous No. 16137334

>>16136325
>congrats now everyone thinks you're racist.
I'd hire him desu
One of my goals is to get in charge of hiring and slowly kick out homos, freaks, and minorities who think being an 'oreo' is a problem.

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Anonymous No. 16137335

>>16136375
Stony Brook's online EE degree is ABET accredited, something employees and schools greatly value, and you could build something of a homelab with EE. I'm unsure if you could react out to Professors and do real academic lab work with them though.

Anonymous No. 16137354

Fuck I need to know if I can enter a salaried position with a BS that makes $70k/yr, agsci / development major but looking to go back to network and pivot to engineering of some kind, probably electrical

Anonymous No. 16137356

>>16137354
>agsci / development major
That sounds cool, but do you not see any opportunity in it? I feel like agriculture makes up in socially and spiritually that electrical/computer sciences does not.

Like I'd love to grow/analyze wine and cherry trees all day 2 b h

Anonymous No. 16137363

>>16136279
NTA but the last two job interviews I had for engineering were male only interviewers (altho they were smaller engineering firms).

Anonymous No. 16137372

>>16137356
I would too, in fact I plan on growing a vineyard and cider orchard when I have the money to put down. But I don't. And my roommate is pregnant, so I need money to GTFO ASAP. Somewhere on the order of $25k in 6 months, after bills. Just found out about it a few days ago.

Anonymous No. 16137385

>>16137372
>And my roommate is pregnant, so I need money to GTFO ASAP.
What a twist
This is why you don't room with women mate Are you the father or one of her flings?

Anonymous No. 16137454

>>16137335
I'm an American in the EU, so things are a bit different here from my understanding. However the tip to reach out to professors is a great idea

Anonymous No. 16137460

>>16137385
Neither, I'm her stepbrother and her husband is also my roommate. We've lived together for 5 years, because we're poor. I want to get out of Dodge so I don't have to raise the little shit for them. I like kids, but I ain't no cuck.

I'm thinking I'll have to either do computer science or some kind of engineering to get that kind of money any time soon without going into debt for school.

Anonymous No. 16137471

The local firefighters get paid the same as me, an electrical engineer. It’s petty but I’m envious

Anonymous No. 16137484

>>16137471
Pride yourself in knowing that none of the electronics they rely on to be heroes would exist with your mind.

Also there's nothing stopping you from saving people from a fire.

Anonymous No. 16137545

>>16137484
>with your mind.
without*
Prolonged internet use has turned me into an ESL. Help.

Anonymous No. 16137558

>>16137460
>I'm thinking I'll have to either do computer science or some kind of engineering to get that kind of money any time soon without going into debt for school.
You're not going to get it that quick within 6 - 9 months. Tech education is no longer a golden ticket and it will take some time, dedication, networking and luck to attain those types of jobs.

Sounds like you have more interpersonal and financial issues that need to be resolved instead of a career change. Start by figuring out how to leave your current roommates if you believe they're going to force their kid on you.

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Anonymous No. 16137568

>>16137558
>You're not going to get it that quick within 6 - 9 months.
Fuck.
>Start by figuring out how to leave your current roommates if you believe they're going to force their kid on you.
They say they won't, but I don't trust them enough to believe they won't pressure me into it. And since she's been pregnant for at least a month and a half, I have about 6 months to get a footwell into a place of my own that I can afford.

I need enough money to:
>fix my vehicle enough to travel to a new place without it blowing up
Estimate: $4-6k (transmission and engine work)
>save up for basic appliances, security deposit, pantry stocking, household tools, etc.
Estimate: $10-12k, depending on whether I rent or fix up a run-down house that's in my name (familial deed).
>break current lease
Estimate: $6k

With my current bills and accounting for taxes, I either need a second job that pays ~50k/yr or a job that pays 75k/yr to do that in 6 months. That's my problem: I have no clue how to get that much with my degree in that span of time. I'm tempted to bullshit my resume and do a bunch of online certs so I can leverage some connections and weasel my way into a dev position.

Anonymous No. 16137614

>>16137568
>bullshit my resume and weasel my way into a position
I can’t believe there are still people NOT doing this. Shuck and jive as much as you possibly can get away with. Call your friends to be references, call your dad and ask if his friends will be your references. (Based on the living situation I’m guessing your dad is a loser tho) Beg if you have to.

You do not want to be living in an apartment with a baby that isn’t yours dude it’s hell. You have probly 7 months to grind like hell, living in a tent would be better.

Anonymous No. 16137682

>>16137471
They also might have to see a dead body during work. Grow the fuck up and contemplate a lotus flower

Anonymous No. 16137734

For EE Ph.D. admissions (systems work specifically), would it be better to have a good letter of recommendation from a professor whose lab you've been a part of but end up with no publications, or stay at the lab you're currently in and potentially get a first author publication (albeit on a poster paper), but get a mediocre letter of recommendation? I'm going into an ECE masters program and was thinking of joining an aerospace systems lab at my university, since I've had some interesting aero internships as of late, but the likelihood of me publishing there is relatively low. On the other hand, I could stay at an ECE systems lab I've been a part of for two years and finish up the project I'm working on, but the professor isn't that reliable for letters of recommendation and other stuff. Would it be better to switch to the aerospace lab or stay in the ECE lab?

Anonymous No. 16137758

>>16137117
>If your uni doesn't have a decent lab it shouldn't offer EE degrees
Not that Anon (obviously), but how much lab work do American EE program courses usually have? I'm studying EET in a third world shithole (Peru), and I've noticed that most of the electricity/electronics courses I've had have only had like 1 or 2 lab practices on average, with most coursework being either basic-ass step-by-step problem-solving straight off textbook examples or SPICE/Matlab simulations.
Do American EE students do lab work every week? Twice a week? Do they learn to design PCBs and set up CNC machines to do the etch-work on them? Can they make chips, or do they just buy them?

Anonymous No. 16137790

>>16137734
depends on the profs really. I got into a top 5 school with zero publications and zero research experience for ece phd because one professor who I never emailed or cared about saw my application and liked me, called me up and then after talking recommended admission for me. In general though, publication is probably better but its also not required

Anonymous No. 16137930

i have a crush on a cute postdoc (male)

Anonymous No. 16138016

>>16137930
men in their late 20s/early 30s are hardly cute

Anonymous No. 16138029

>>16137790
You forgot to mention that you're a stacy

Anonymous No. 16138038

>>16137682
Danger is awesome

Anonymous No. 16138058

>>16134798
tell him you love him in a homosexual way that will make sure he wont look at you again or speak to you!

Anonymous No. 16138157

>>16138029
no, not stacy. it was cause prior military

Anonymous No. 16138191

>>16137758
Depends on the class. Some classes will have a lab portion which happens once every week for 2 or so hours(could be more or less)
>most coursework being either basic-ass step-by-step problem-solving straight off textbook examples or SPICE/Matlab simulations.
Can you give an example of one of your homeworks or exams that you might have?
>Do they learn to design PCBs and set up CNC machines to do the etch-work on them?
No but we do get to fabricate MOSFETs and stuff.

Anonymous No. 16138458

>day 112 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16138483

>>16138191
I'd be interested in hearing this too (OP from EE vs. CS question). I see there are a lot of options for projects and learning CAD stuff but no physical lab work so I'm a bit worried

Anonymous No. 16138503

>>16138038
Tell me your address and then I'll arrange some for you

Anonymous No. 16138690

>>16129139

Grim.

Anonymous No. 16138849

>day 112 of hearing from the unemployed math phd
making this general was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16138962

>>16138849
I can in a way understand him, he went a very precarious route in his job and thought he was safe but now he is unemployed and have no idea even how to search for a job outside of academias retarded downs syndrome embrace.

Anonymous No. 16139048

Saw a job listing asking for 4+ years of research, do the years it takes to do a PhD count towards that usually?

Anonymous No. 16139052

>>16139048
yes

Anonymous No. 16139101

>>16138962
I think anon is being too picky. Im sure a job doesn't exist in the very specific area of pure math that he's interested in. But there are plenty of jobs that exist in general. I could just as easily have gotten a degree in some random obscure topic and complained that no jobs exist for people in that degree. If you want to do something that you really love thats fine but just dont expect to get paid for it.

Anonymous No. 16139297

>>16137354
Defense contractors literally don't give a shit as long as you have a Bsc.

Anonymous No. 16139326

>be csfag trying to get into AI
>decent resume for regular software development, still have recruiters spamming my inbox and can easily get interviews within my domain
>but no background in ML so i get a hard reject or ghosted by AI jobs
i don't mean to sound picky but is it worth trying to apply to "ml engineer" jobs in "lesser" companies? i don't mind the pay cut but but i'm concerned that the title doesn't actually correlate to actually working on any ml models

the obvious route is grad school but even if i get in i can't enroll until next year anyways

Anonymous No. 16139332

>>16139326
>i don't mean to sound picky but is it worth trying to apply to "ml engineer" jobs in "lesser" companies? i don't mind the pay cut but but i'm concerned that the title doesn't actually correlate to actually working on any ml models
Better than nothing and the experience with the title alone should help mitigate the ghosting

Anonymous No. 16139334

STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Art, Math)

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Anonymous No. 16139338

>>16139334
Art >>> Science >= Math > Engineering >>> Tech

I mean that in terms of enjoyment

Anonymous No. 16139351

>>16133918
>I got bored of my computer science project and now I have to write a dissertation and pretend I know stuff other than making code work.
It fucking sucks, I hate academia I just want to make stuff, I don't care about my fucking grade. I want to do stuff that I enjoy for myself not to be the best cog in a corporate machine. I just need to pass right, do companies really give a shit about your academic credentials most, when you get a job you are going to have to learn to do it their way anyway.
I HATE ACADEMIA!
I HATE ACADEMIA!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Anonymous No. 16139360

>>16139351
you sound like a loser

Anonymous No. 16139364

>>16139360
Maybe I am for picking the meme degree instead of maths or physics, I am not going to pretend to be someone I am not

Anonymous No. 16139388

>>16139332
i'm just concerned that i won't do any ML on the job. the title might help but i've had a "software engineer" job where i didn't even write code so i'm wary of getting baited

but tech job market is very shit right now

Anonymous No. 16139410

>>16139388
>but tech job market is very shit right now
True. Do we know the cause by the way? Just inflation and taxes fucking with things?

Anonymous No. 16139419

>>16139410
Decades of replacing white people with pajeets and hiring for diversity's sake

Anonymous No. 16139447

>>16139364
Haven't you figured it out yet? All STEM degrees are meme degrees.

Anonymous No. 16139460

>>16139447
I guess the real non-meme degree is Law because it's seemingly behind the decline in quality of life career-wise.

Anonymous No. 16139473

>>16139410
>Do we know the cause by the way?
the generally accepted cause is it's the repercussions of a decade of zero interest rates and post pandemic inflation while there's global instability with two wars going on
we had the good times and now we have to pay the debt off

>>16139460
only if you go to a top school and the job is probably worse than most other corporate jobs

Anonymous No. 16139493

>>16139364
>meme degree instead of maths or physics
Are you trolling? Physics and math undergrad are straight up useless

Anonymous No. 16139520

>>16139473
>only if you go to a top school and the job is probably worse than most other corporate jobs
Some might need to bite the bullet so we have lawyers who aren't tard activists representing us or penning legislation you must follow.
Yeah Senators, Reps, and VP/President don't need a J.D. to be elected but a majority of them are lawyers.

>>16139493
Spotted the teenager

Anonymous No. 16139527

>>16139364
>WAHHH I WANT TO DO WHAT I WANT, NOT WHAT MY EMPLOYER WANTS
>I should have done math
ok retard, do you think companies are paying you to solve topology puzzles?

Anonymous No. 16139540

>>16139520
I have a physics BS with a 3.55 overall gpa lole. It ain't worth shit except for applying to more school

Anonymous No. 16139547

>>16139540
>It ain't worth shit except for applying to more school
Literally all degrees in this day and age are like this. CS, engineering included. Nothing is a golden ticket. Your degree is a tool you use to market yourself and nothing more. Physics has turned into data science, engineering, and finance roles for people.

Anonymous No. 16139550

How can I manage to bag remote internships in foreign countries ?
I am trying to gain remote ones because few employers hesitate to sponsor relocation visas for interns


>Sophomore computer science

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Anonymous No. 16139728

Can you stupid undergrads desperate for work and tremendously indebted with student loans help me out with career advice?

Anonymous No. 16139735

>>16139728
none of this is stem

Anonymous No. 16139811

>>16139728
Too many words give a tldr

Anonymous No. 16140302

>>16139728
You can get a programming job with that but the field is a slave ship so make sur eyou complete your CS degree. Then complete your maths degree so that you stand out from the other ten million other CS graduates.

Anonymous No. 16140414

>>16138016
Please don't hurt my feelings anon

Anonymous No. 16140543

>>16139520
>Yeah Senators, Reps, and VP/President don't need a J.D. to be elected but a majority of them are lawyers.
i mean yeah if you wanted political power you wouldn't be a stemfag

>>16139547
i do wish i did an applied math double major in college, would make trying to get into ml easier than just a cs degree

Anonymous No. 16140579

>>16139550
Bump

Anonymous No. 16140588

>day 113 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake. I curse the day I entered university

Anonymous No. 16140601

Some relevant news about management consulting:
>Consulting firms step up efforts to push out their low performers
https://archive.is/cdGsz
>McKinsey is in the middle of a brutal round of career reviews, according to people familiar with the process. Its consultants will all be graded this month and those deemed to be underperforming will be — in McKinsey parlance — “counselled to leave”.
Expect new hires to be brutalized to perform to the max. The whipping will continue until the morale improves.
>Two years on from the Great Resignation, when a roaring jobs market and the effects of the pandemic encouraged swaths of the workforce to switch employers, the situation could not be more different. In the professional services, the numbers leaving firms of their own accord have swung to historic lows, as tech groups, investment banks and other destinations have gone from hiring mode to firing mode. Bosses of consulting and accounting firms have been desperate to increase what they call “attrition”.
So the existing consultants are hanging on but will be hunted down.

The rest of the article is pretty grim.

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Anonymous No. 16140606

Man, the girls working for these headhunting firms are straight qt

Anonymous No. 16140618

>>16140601
i don't work in mbb but isn't this just normal stack ranking?
i can't feel too bad for MBB consults since they're the guys who are orchestrating the layoffs and stack ranking at my company anyways. they're just pushing their culture into other industries

Anonymous No. 16140623

>>16140606
You know I be huntin for head ayeeeeee

Anonymous No. 16140628

Fags

Anonymous No. 16140988

>day 113.5 of unemployment
Don't get a math phd. I'll never find a job

Anonymous No. 16141008

>>16133918
Any anons have a job with just an associates in Electrical Engineering? Or should I just continue and get my Bachelors?

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Anonymous No. 16141064

So has anybody started their villain arc yet?

Anonymous No. 16141111

>>16141008
Get your bachelors. You aren’t a real engineer.

Anonymous No. 16141121

>>16141064
Oh yeah. Been ruthlessly job hopping while milking my employers for every benefit and perk I can.

Anonymous No. 16141133

>>16141064
What are my prospects in landing a job with virus research in the U.K.?

Anonymous No. 16141264

>>16140618
>i don't work in mbb but isn't this just normal stack ranking?
Not really, partners seem to want faster attreition rate then normal in order to earn more, while the non-partners want to hang on while the job market is bad.

Anonymous No. 16141265

>>16140988
Did you ask the career office at your university for help or advice?

Anonymous No. 16141397

>>16141008
>associates in Electrical Engineering
What like a technician degree? Sure I know people with jobs and they get called "engineers" on their titles, but it depends on what you want to do. Personally I'd say go full EE, the math only gets marginally harder and there's move doors opened to you with an EE degree than a EE tech degree.

Anonymous No. 16141573

>>16141133
Better than in Wuhan I wager.

>>16141121
Carry on soldier

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Anonymous No. 16141798

Between a PhD at Oxford and one offering a big stiped, I'd be retarded not to pick the big stipend, right?
Does that change if it's a year longer and in a less (politically) stable region?

Anonymous No. 16142262

>day 114 of unemployment
What are my options? I don't see a path forward anymore.

Anonymous No. 16142288

>>16136375
>Is it even possible to do that with a quality education or will I just be bullshitting myself?
I've heard good things about Arizona State University's online EE degree program. It's ABET accredited. It's like $70,000 dollars but you'll be an engineer at the end of it.

Anonymous No. 16142289

>>16137117
>You could do CS online
I'm gonna be doing CS online in the fall (WGU). The price is right and I'm enough of a self-starter to teach myself anyway.

Anonymous No. 16142330

>>16140601
More news from management consulting, and it is not good:
>BCG says AI consulting will supply 20% of revenues this year
https://archive.is/Iq5vS
>The chief executive of BCG has said the $12bn consulting firm expects to generate a fifth of its revenues in 2024 from helping corporations integrate artificial intelligence into their businesses, a share it projects will reach 40 per cent by 2026.
>A jump in sales at BCG’s AI division also partly offset a slowdown in other parts of the business last year amid a tougher economic backdrop. BCG’s total revenues climbed just 5 per cent in 2023 to $12.3bn, the firm’s weakest growth in at least seven years.
>“I am the most vocal, and I would say also ruthless leaders, when it comes to telling my team that it’s nice to go to our clients and tell them they have to change, but we have to change BCG just as much,” said Schweizer. “We are taking our own medicine.”

It is not clear how much this will impact future hiring.

Anonymous No. 16142358

>>16142262
Join the military

Anonymous No. 16142361

>>16142262
flip burgers
go sign for a math job in a thirdy university
lie and embellish on your resume to get into any job you think you can stand

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Anonymous No. 16142433

help

Anonymous No. 16142459

So: I'm a bachelor aerospace engineer, but after working in the metalworking industry I think I've grown tired of industry. I couldn't find a job directly tied to aerospace because they all ask for experience, master degree or being able to code which I am not.
Is getting a master degree in some information-field engineering a good idea? Lately I've gotten into entertainment industry so I thought I'd try acoustic/music or cinema engineering.
I have economic availability, but I'm worried about the time I'm going to spend there and how it will impact my eventual carreer

Anonymous No. 16142463

Engineers are glorified tradies.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16142603

>>16142433
I already doxxed you retard, lol.Delete

Anonymous No. 16142648

>>16142459
Just do Harvard CS50 to learn how to code.

Anonymous No. 16142659

>>16137334
Based corporate hitler

Anonymous No. 16142676

>>16142433
Did you try all suggestions from last time? Also, are you >>16142262?

Anonymous No. 16143005

passed my phd defense today. Thought for sure during it that they were gonna fail me, but they were just giving me a hard time. Im finally free

Anonymous No. 16143112

>>16142463
I wish. Tradies get overtime.

Anonymous No. 16143165

>>16140601
>>16142330
i'm starting my own LLC to do consulting and i have no idea what "management consulting" even is. sounds pretty useless so not surprised with what you posted

Anonymous No. 16143224

>>16142676
Yes and yes

Anonymous No. 16143231

>>16143005

I can't imagine anything so grim as the walk-up to the oral argument, everyone getting ready for it, you knowing what sorts of questions to expect, the advisor prepping you, and then failing. I even wonder if that's happened. There's a research subject: failed oral arguments at the final stage for PhD candidates. I also wonder how many living people hold PhDs.

Did you have a little ceremony after? I understand a glass of champagne is usual.

Anonymous No. 16143238

>>16143005
congrats brother. passed my comps last week, defense next year

Anonymous No. 16143258

>>16143231
your advisor won't schedule your defense unless he knows you'll pass unless he's a total asshole

Anonymous No. 16143274

>>16143258
>>16143231
my advisor didnt prepare me well honestly. he may have thought he did, but he didnt. I got some questions about why I didn't do a couple things and the real answer that I wanted to say was "because my fucking advisor told me not to do those things"

didn't do any ceremony. held office hours afterwards and then went home to watch after my infant baby. wife and I will get some nice food this weekend though

Anonymous No. 16143392

>>16133918
I'm applying to CS grad schools next year for systems. Any anon mind looking over my profile and see what uni I can get into?

>T10 undergrad CGPA 3.5 and major GPA 3.8 (out of 4.0)
>Good LORs.
>2 sole-authored publications in IEEE Journal and Conference (not premier ones)
>1 first authored extended abstract in a conference.
>Consulting services and internships (not in FAANG)
>GRE 162V 167Q 3.5W

Anonymous No. 16143397

>>16142648
Wouldn't it be funnier to sample farts and analyze them for a living?
I know I'm sounding like I need to be told "just do what you want", but I've always liked math as a mean to describe and grasp reality -macroscopically- and this is why I was always oriented towards engineering.
My problem right now is that I can't stand anymore working for people that produce huge steel atrocities and also I hate business units (but that can't be helped). As an aerospsce guy I could probably go and make flight controll stuff or CFD for w/e application I guess, but that doesn't feel as cool anymore
So, if anyone has first hand experience or knows people that do I'd appreciate some info on what you are able to do as a meme engineer (as mentioned before acoustic/sound/cinema maybe food idk)

Anonymous No. 16143538

>>16143392
why are you asking us neets and not the profs who wrote the LORs

Anonymous No. 16143553

>>16143005
Congratulations! I had teh same feeling, my external examiner was a bit of an exterminator.

>>16143231 >>16143258
Sadly, that happens. It happened to another student at the same institute as me. It got rather ugly.

>>16143274
>I got some questions about why I didn't do a couple things
That happened to me too and I was grilled over it. And the reason was I was told not to bother with it. In hindsight I wonder if it was a deflection maneouvre to scoop me.

Anonymous No. 16143622

>>16143224
Hang on in there anon, we are not giving up on you.

Anonymous No. 16143836

>>16143538
he's trying to humble brag

Anonymous No. 16143863

>>16141064
What villainous things can I do with CS that aren't some script kiddie bullshit?

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Anonymous No. 16143867

>>16142648
Do Harvard CS50 to learn how to code
Do MIT 6.001 to learn how to program

Anonymous No. 16144027

I keep getting weird spam DMs by Indian dudes on linkedIn. They always make their messages as verbose and "proper" as possible whereas a regular recruiter will just ask for a resume and ask for a time to call you.

I hope I'm not fucking myself over by being reflexively dismissive/racist towards south-asians but these guys never pass the vibe check. They always do something weird.

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Anonymous No. 16144050

>>16133918
Currently have a masters in math. I'm thinking of doing a Ph.D but I can't decide if I should do pure or applied. I would rather do pure because I'm more interested in that (my master's thesis with publication was in algebraic topology) however, I know the academic job market is hell. Would doing an applied topic like PDE, Probability, or Numerical Analysis be better for obtaining interesting work in industry or can it still be done with a pure math topic (if academic job track doesn't pan out?)

Otherwise, I was thinking of getting a masters in Data Science or CS. I know I could just build a portfolio, but Everytime I try to start projects I lose motivation and feel like I'd rather be doing research. I like studying CS and programming but much like my academic interests I just mostly like learning for its own sake. I feel pretty lost because I really want to stay in academia but I greatly fear there will be no positions. If I had to work in industry I'd do data Science or ML but even there I'd like to be doing research work and not grunt work.

ideas?

Anonymous No. 16144216

Freshmen double majoring in CS and Econ, summer break is starting and I'm just facing rejection over rejection in my unis summer research position applications and programs.

I placed out of a good chunk of CS Classes and take the CS Classes alongside the less impressive portion of the department's sophomore batch but I realize that it amounts to nothing without a programming portfolio and not just some min wagetard jobs.

I've accepted that I'm not getting any summer program, but does anyone have any recommendation for what I can do better for the coming semesters?

Anonymous No. 16144364

>>16144050
>Currently have a masters in math.
How is the job market for that?
> I'm thinking of doing a Ph.D
Why?
> but I can't decide if I should do pure or applied.
That is the choice between pain and poverty vs. a hope of getting a job
>I would rather do pure because I'm more interested in that (my master's thesis with publication was in algebraic topology)
You enjoy pain?
> however, I know the academic job market is hell.
That, my fiend, is the undeniable truth.

Have we yet reached the point where the FAQ should warn agaist maths?

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Anonymous No. 16144534

Is getting an aerospace engineering bachelor's a mistake. I've heard actually getting a job is kinda hard. I just wanna make the rockets.

Anonymous No. 16144663

>>16144534
a mechanical engineer can go make rockets
an aerospace engineer can't go make much else aside from rockets

just get an me degree and add an aero minor

Anonymous No. 16144665

>>16133918
is there any hope for the physics/math field getting better & becoming viable in the future?

Anonymous No. 16145190

>>16143224
Considered applying for a job at the EPO? Seems your field is applicable here:
https://jobs.epo.org/lp/Become%20a%20patent%20examiner%20at%20the%20EPO/5480c2e89c799e8d/?locale=en_GB&utm_source=linkedincompanypage&utm_campaign=EXAM_SPRING_24

Salary isn't too shabby.

Anonymous No. 16145192

>>16144665
I thought Physics was good but Maths looks like endless doom scrolling.

Anonymous No. 16145253

>>16144364
>How is the job market for that?
Pretty bad. I can't even get shitty adjunct positions. I've gotten some offers in I.T actually, but I really don't want to work in I.T anymore.

>Why?
I like research and I'm good at it. I like learning math of course. I'd love to be a professor like most anyone, but I'm aware of the reality that's it's very difficult to obtain.

>That is the choice between pain and poverty vs. a hope of getting a job
Yeah, figure as much. See the things is I don't NEED a job. I could NEET for probably the rest of my life but I'm not finding it a fulfilling even after doing my hobbies, studying math, etc. I still have this desire to go out into the world and do something.

>You enjoy pain?
The pain is finding a job or any kind of employment. Yeah, I could NEET the rest of my life but it's not so fulfilling.

>That, my fiend, is the undeniable truth.
Yeah, I know..I know. I sometimes think though maybe I could still make it through etc. I'm somehow confident and stupid enough to believe it.

Since posting this, I'm probably just gonna jump into a data science masters or something see if I can get a job (whilst applying to Ph.D programs). If I find a job then I guess that would work in my favor, otherwise I'm going forward with personal poverty.

Anonymous No. 16145347

DO.NOT.UNDER.ANY.CIRCUMSTANCES.GET.A.PHD.IN.PURE.MATH

Anonymous No. 16145439

>>16145190
>Seems your field is applicable
thank you for the link but they don't seem to want pure mathematicians

Anonymous No. 16145525

>>16144027
did you do the needful?

Anonymous No. 16145538

Barely managed to get a BSc in math. I cant afford to NEET anymore. Should I join the army, actuary or apply for data analyst jobs?

Anonymous No. 16145569

>>16145538
hs teacher?

Anonymous No. 16145573

>day 116 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16145606

>>16145573
Post your job applications. Let’s see if you’re even trying at this point.

Anonymous No. 16145608

>>16145538
>army
Consider the Air Force. The Army is for low-IQ individuals looking for easy gibs.

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Anonymous No. 16145609

>>16145573

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Anonymous No. 16145623

>>16145347
you're talking to mathematicians so you should atleast provide a coherrent argument for your statement.

Anonymous No. 16145632

>>16145569
Will try that once the school year starts

Anonymous No. 16145643

>>16145608
>chair force
lmao

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Anonymous No. 16145710

>>16145643
>less work for the same pay

Anonymous No. 16145716

>>16145347
Derive an equation that proves that.

Anonymous No. 16145799

>>16145608
>air force
consider the coast guard

Anonymous No. 16145899

>>16135724
>non-sequitur schizo response to anon's question

Anonymous No. 16145916

>>16145899
i just needed to post a pdf for another board

Anonymous No. 16146049

>>16138016
well this one is very

Anonymous No. 16146270

>>16144027
>I hope I'm not fucking myself over by being reflexively dismissive/racist towards south-asians but these guys never pass the vibe check. They always do something weird.
You are completely correct in your assessment.

Anonymous No. 16146563

>>16145439
I thought you had some real experiences in software?

Anonymous No. 16146698

>>16141798
Depends on the field and what you want to do after. The prestige of Oxford holds weight outside of research. Inside research the name and prestige of your thesis supervisor holds more weight.

Anonymous No. 16146780

>>16141798
What are your plans? Industry or academia?

Anonymous No. 16146782

>>16143224
Did you really? Which teacher's school did you apply too? Keep it up and you'll be superintendent in no time! They make six figure salaries btw.

Anonymous No. 16146930

I'm an aerospace quality engineer and my boss just announced that major layoffs will be occurring in our group. I have a job offer elsewhere already despite not knowing if they actually plan to let me go. Is it in my best interest to tell my boss that I have an offer and somehow request to be "selected" for a layoff?

The problem is that the current company has been paying for my MS program. If I am laid off or stay with the company for 2+ years, I don't have to pay them back, but if it appears that I left voluntarily, I do. So I need to be sure that the way I leave is documented as a layoff.

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Anonymous No. 16146959

>>16146782
I am already enrolled in paid teacher training.

Anonymous No. 16146963

>>16146698
>>16146780
Academia. Most people I've asked said to go with the money but I figured I'd get a second opinion from /sci/.

Anonymous No. 16147079

Holy shit, national labs pay bank

Anonymous No. 16147235

>>16146963
The money is underrated. After a UK PhD I blew my savings moving to Europe for a postdoc. I wouldn't have been able to escape the UK without those savings and I lived like a pauper through my PhD to save up enough. Oxford is much more expensive than my city. It worked out as I now have a decent-paying industry job but I spent my twenties earning nothing with cheap hobbies.

Anonymous No. 16147361

If I took two years off after doing my MS to get some work experience, would any unis give a shit about that gap when it comes to applying for a PhD? Or is that a normal thing to do

Anonymous No. 16147369

>>16133918
Are anons here willing to review resumes and/or transcripts? I'm about to apply for a geologist position. I know I'm qualified, but I don't know if my resume communicates that.

Anonymous No. 16147371

>>16146930
Take the second job and go from there. If you're laid off, great. If not, you have two revenue streams.

Anonymous No. 16147471

>$200k a year engineering job with bonuses and per diems
>traveling 8 months outta the year


Would you guys take it?

Anonymous No. 16147503

>>16147471
Per diem means travel expenses are paid, right? If so, definitely. Sounds too good to be true though.

Anonymous No. 16147549

>>16147503
Yah it’d be like $200 a day in reimburseable expenses. Money is good and all but I will be no-lifing it the entire time.

Anonymous No. 16147724

>>16147471
Sucks for your social life, especially if you don't get big breaks or time off when not travelling. That was the worst part of working on a research ship, the crew got months off when we got back to port, I had to go back to a desk job and travel to conferences. It's also really tough to maintain a good diet and fitness when you're constantly in a different place.
If you can make the most of travelling it'll be great and it's hard to argue with that salary plus bonuses.

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Shouldn't this be enough teaching experience to get a teaching job?

Anonymous No. 16148440

>day 118 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16148447

applying everywhere but no interviews

Anonymous No. 16148449

>>16148447
I'm getting interviews but no offers

Anonymous No. 16148596

Interviewing everywhere but no applying

Anonymous No. 16148629

>>16147471
Depends on how much downtime you have while traveling.

Anonymous No. 16148643

I just flip a coin to decide if I invite the applicant for interview or ghost them, but I still don't hire anybody

Anonymous No. 16148779

>>16148643
And then complain about the lack of candidates

Anonymous No. 16148782

>>16141064
Yes I have brother.

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Anonymous No. 16148867

>>16143863
completely own and fuck over another person in cyberspace with your ord-inator

Anonymous No. 16148950

>>16147471
>>16147724
if you're young it's cool for a while but just don't do it forever

Anonymous No. 16149285

>>16147471
No wife, no pets, no ties to anywhere? Absolutely I would it for a couple of years and then use that experience to find a less paying but stable job.

Anonymous No. 16149371

>looking for a job
>phd required
>masters required
>postdoc required

yeah right. a guy with a bachelors can do just fine in most of these roles.

Anonymous No. 16149372

>>16133918
>Making a eng report about biofuels
>Bongland makes 293 million litres of biofuel
>116 to ethanol
>126 to biodiesel
where the hell is that 50 million litre deficit going to?

Anonymous No. 16149376

>>16149372
peat? biochar? firewood?

Anonymous No. 16149378

>>16149376
Biofuel for the transport sector, even the site only counts biodiesel and ethanol.
Anything else is regarded as bioenergy

Anonymous No. 16149684

>>16149372
Applied to a sustainable bio feedstock engineering position, what am I in for?

Anonymous No. 16150461

>>16137930
update we went out (nonromantically) and he is cuter than ever

Anonymous No. 16150735

>>16134851
None of this money will be going to Canadians, this is all for Zhang and Balasubramanian.

Anonymous No. 16150978

>>16148629
It’s on call basically working 12/4’s. Subcontractor for FEMA doing disaster recovery. Recruiter says some guys are gone from home for over a year. I’m hesitant but the money is fucking sick, $6k a month tax free in per diem alone.

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Anonymous No. 16151203

I passed the professional geologists exam

Anonymous No. 16151356

>>16151203
Congrats, how many rocks did you have to identify by taste alone?

Anonymous No. 16151475

>>16151203
Congratulations! How is the job merket, picking up?

Anonymous No. 16151888

>applying to $10hr jobs
how did it come to this?

Anonymous No. 16152314

>>16133918
I'm 36 and have a PhD in chemistry. I work as a researcher at a national lab (recently converted to staff scientist) and I make about $170k per year. I own a couple of homes, rent one for passive income.

I pigeonholed myself into chemistry in undergrad because I didn't think that I was "smart" enough to study computer science because I thought a person had to already be a CS genius/prodigy in high-school (or before that) to get a degree in it. I have a really good publication record in my field, but I have this pounding feeling that's been persistent for the last 14 years that I should jump ship and study something like computer engineering and watch as money falls from the sky.

Should I stay or abandon everything I've worked for?

Anonymous No. 16152336

>>16148440
Never think that, what you achieved is badass and something that most of these cuckolds couldn't finish if their lives depended upon it.

Anonymous No. 16152363

>>16151356
It’s a computer based exam with no rock identification. I was pretty good at that back in college though specifically sedimentary rocks.

>>16151475
Thanks! I work in environmental consulting so this was for my professional license. I’m not sure what the job market is like but i want to get out of the business and start working in industry as an environmental guy. The license is why I stuck around.

Anonymous No. 16152409

>>16138058
Or make him report you to the dean ;_;

Anonymous No. 16152444

>>16152314
Do what this guy advised and see if you still like and enjoy it. Also, are you sure you are not suffering from survivorship bias? A lot of CS majors make bank on paper but they live in places like LA or NYC where living expenses are very high.

Anonymous No. 16152447

>>16152444
Forgot the link like the genius I am
>>16143867

Anonymous No. 16152563

>get really good job offer that would have me move
>also get gf I really like

Man, I know i shouldn’t choose a woman over my career but come the fuck on.

Anonymous No. 16152747

>>16152363
Heard back from AECOM for an entry geologist position, and I have a degree in sustainable development. Am I making a mistake?

Anonymous No. 16152956

>>16152747
AECOM is the largest consulting firm. Them and Jacobs are the only firms that do this type of work that are in the Fortune 500.

They will work the shit out of you since they’re a publicly traded company. The good news is that working at AECOM is a good resume builder and they should pay well. I’d start interviewing for other positions within two years.

Anonymous No. 16153139

>day 121 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16153184

I'm getting a master's degree in CS specializing in AI and data science
However I'm really interested in both HPC and computational complexity theory and I'd like to pursue a PhD focusing on either or both of these fields. Is that doable coming from an AI background?

Anonymous No. 16153256

>>16153184
>HPC and computational complexity theory
I might be wrong but complexity theory is theoretical CS while HPC is a more applied field. If you want to study theoretical CS you will need a significant course load in math.

Anonymous No. 16154027

>>16133918
At this chem study session b4 the big Acid-Base test, some nigga asked why H2O is neutral and I barely managed to prevent myself from laughing my ass off. I had to stab myself with a pencil and hold my nose in order to not lose it.

Anonymous No. 16154120

>>16153139
Ok I am going to give you some solid advice.

Number one - pivot to another field from your ridiculously theoretical bullshit.

I suggest some fluid mechanics, RF calcs or anything that require a solid foundation of math.

Learn another language, like German and then just move. If I would have taken a big degree like you and the country I lived in would not let me work. I'd just pack my bags and fuck off.

Furthermore, you are living in one of the smallest places to work for your degree in the industrial world, barred iceland. Just move. Learn French, German or Italian.

Stop looking for jobs within quantum mechanics and math, because there are no fucking jobs in that field you retard manbaby.

Anonymous No. 16154195

>>16152956
>They will work the shit out of you
Prefer that over being lazy. Reading reviews told me they're heavy on field work, which is preferable in this case, because I'm used to retail bullshit.
>working at AECOM is a good resume builder and they should pay well
Cool and good, that's exactly what I was looking for.
>I’d start interviewing for other positions within two years.
That's enough time for me to get a second BSc. If I stay with my current employer, I can get that paid for at the same time, which is great, because GIS in conjunction with CSec / NetSec and webdev should be pretty solid for technical positions and possibly military contract (a friend of mine is in tech doing GIS adjacent with a military contractor, from the other direction).

Anonymous No. 16154319

>>16142288
NTA but im really thinking about doing this program. It seems legit since its virtually identical to the BSEE at my old school, and I really want to become a licensed engineer so I can get far away from the software industry

It's just expensive af. Even with transferring the basic courses in using community college, it'll still be 50k total. Plus who knows how much tuition will rise the next few years. My CS degree was the same price but damn

At least I can probably do an MSEE after if I wanted to. That might make it worth it.

Anonymous No. 16154635

Normenn i trĂĄden?
Er 750k i året for lav eller for høy for å begynne som materialingeniør i metallverk industrier?

Could begin in industry as a materials engineer right after PhD(it is a high end company producing specialized components for defense and aerospace). Is this a good idea to escape academia?

Anonymous No. 16154694

>>16154635
>Is this a good idea to escape academia?
Ja

Anonymous No. 16154730

EE working in transmission
What’s the level up move here? Do I go back to school and get an MS
Do I get an MBA? Could I get into management somehow? I get feel like a dead end cuck with my 80k a year salary and no benefits. It’s enough money to scrape by but not really enough to own your own shit or reproduce

Anonymous No. 16154876

Undergraduate student here. How do I get a girlfriend? Especially during the summer, when I don't leave my house and don't have any friends.

Anonymous No. 16154884

>>16154876
Just accept that it’s over and switch focus to getting revenge

Anonymous No. 16154892

>>16154884
Actually good advice. GJ anon.

Anonymous No. 16154895

>>16154884
thank you glowie

Anonymous No. 16154977

Are european grad schools seen as worthless on a resume in the USA?

Anonymous No. 16154988

>>16154730
Get your PE. You should be at $130k if you have 4 YOE

Anonymous No. 16155001

Man I really wish I didn’t waste my 20s gooning to big black cock cuck porn. I’m so behind professionally.

Anonymous No. 16155451

>>16154730
>Do I go back to school and get an MS
Hell no, do your PE and then if you want to go the management route do your PMP and maybe Six Sigma cert if you really want to.

Anonymous No. 16155536

>>16154319
I hope you dreams become reality insofar as they are truly good for you, anon.

Anonymous No. 16155717

>>16154195
Why not just get an MS? Field work gets tough man. I oversaw remediation jobs in negative temperatures in the northeast for several months and have done Phase II ESAs in the Texas summer heat. The goal of most early career geologists is to get out of the field and start writing reports because that’s where the money is. If you do field work prepared to work with retarded drillers and PMs who don’t care about field personnel.

Also recommend learning AutoCAD. I mostly know GIS and do a little CAD work for engineering projects occasionally.

Anonymous No. 16155790

>>16155717
>Why not just get an MS?
Money is tight, and I don't have the means to work on one yet. I can get a BS paid for by my employer but no guarantees on an MS. If I get one in a decent field, I can broaden my skill set and make myself more valuable to more employers due to breadth of experience in different specialties. They also won't pay for environmental / natural sciences, but they'll pay for business related degrees; CS is a staple in the workplace.
>Field work gets tough man.
I believe it. I'm hoping to work myself a bit, and frankly I need the field skills for a pet project (my uncle has traces of gold on our ancestral farm, and I won't spend the money for consulting; doing it myself is a better option).
>The goal of most early career geologists is to get out of the field and start writing reports because that’s where the money is.
I still probably will, but I need to get a baseline established. My resume is non-existent. I look no better than a high schooler on paper, save maybe my BS having a little MCL appended to it. I should also mention that I'd like to do biological work eventually as well; my original degree is an easy, well-rounded staple degree that touches on chemistry, biology, and natural sciences (but without any real depth).
>Also recommend learning AutoCAD. I mostly know GIS and do a little CAD work for engineering projects occasionally.
I use FreeCAD to fiddle around, and plan on learning OpenSCAD once I gitgud at programming. My first GIS project was on the BTE project and how raster / vector data can be translated and combined with granular local data to generate highly detailed models at scale in dynamic, collaborative environments.

Anonymous No. 16156022

For you engineers, the career pipeline is straightforward. Grind house some CAD shit for 4 years getting hazed by gen X and millennials then get your PE and haze gen A like it was done to you. Shrimple as.

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Anonymous No. 16156310

I can literally never get a master's ever because my transcript is a disaster and literally no grad school would ever admit me. I probably have the ugliest transcript in the country and that is not an exaggeration.

Anonymous No. 16156374

>>16155001
engineering?

Anonymous No. 16156529

>>16156310
what field and what's your gpa?
you can probably get one at a mid university in europe, but it might not be worth the money

Anonymous No. 16156839

>>16156023
Are they inspired by China?
https://archive.is/vwObB
>The so-called curse of 35 has long plagued workers across white-collar professions, with older staff widely perceived as being less willing to put up with long working hours because of responsibilities at home.
>As China’s tech sector reels from Beijing’s crackdown and an economic slowdown, tens of thousands of jobs have been cut over the past several months and older workers are seen as particularly vulnerable. Technology companies have made no secret of favouring younger and unmarried workers.

Anonymous No. 16156848

Now that the job market in the US is absolutely dead and buried, which countries will provide the best professional opportunities for tech workers from Europe? Aside from Switzerland

Anonymous No. 16156890

>chem undergrad here
in one year i am getting my degree,i have some experience with how projects work since one of my professors invited me to work in one of his projects
i want to contibute to the development of humanity in some way but the more i think about it the more i lose any hope that i can do anything meaningfull
hundrends of papers get published every week, i don't think i will ever discover something that will make a difference
how do u all cope with feeling this way? also is a career in academia worth it?

Anonymous No. 16157054

>>16156848
Don't come. We really fucking hate americans.

Anonymous No. 16157068

>>16157054
Lol no you don't

Anonymous No. 16157130

got my phd today. the speaker mentioned "the murder of george floyd"

Anonymous No. 16157173

>>16155790
Most geologists get their MS paid for. I got mine fully funded through a TAship. Also worked for the state on the side for extra cash and experience.

Consulting in general sucks. Many people leave for industry because it is higher paying and has better work life balance.

Anonymous No. 16157197

>>16156890
>i want to contribute to the development of humanity in some way
Why? Will they notice? Think about yourself and your immediate friends and family always. God too if you are into that sort of thing. Nothing else.

Anonymous No. 16157320

>>16157173
I'd have to jump ship from my current company to do that, and I'd lose out on stock options (it's a privately traded company that performs pretty well). What industry companies are worth working for in the long term? I'm here to make money for investments, and then run my own lab.

Anonymous No. 16157344

>>16154876
Lol. Lmao.

Anonymous No. 16157421

>>16157054
I'm European

Anonymous No. 16157441

>>16156848
Tried Japan? It is rising from the financial ashes from 30 years of stagflation - just as the West is about to start a decline into stagflation itself.

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Anonymous No. 16157464

I'm unsure of how to mark my application. I'm submitting a college transfer application. My GPA sucks (2.75) but I really want to get into Electrical Engineering. My current major is IT. The application wants my intended major. Should I put something that has lower competition, like Gender Studies or something? Surely putting EE will only harm me, right? I ask /sci/ because you would be familiar with engineering academia than, say, /r9k/. I'm also Asian and a straight male, and I know better than self-report Asian on any college application; that can only ever hurt you. What do you think I should do?

Anonymous No. 16157468

>european, going to UNC for my phd
any advices from american researchers/ people who moved from europe to america?

Anonymous No. 16157479

>>16157468
I'll give you a (You). Have you ever spent time in America before? One thing that Europeans vastly underestimate is how big the country is. Even if they know, they won't really know until they're here. If you drove the distance from Paris, France to Tehran, Iran, (which is about the distance from Washington, D.C. to Los Angeles), you'd still only pass through about 11 or 12 states out of 50. You'd have to travel from Paris to Tehran and all the way back multiple times to see the different regions of the United States. During World War II, German POWs captured in the African theater were interred in places like Kansas. When they were put on trains, they traveled for days on end. When they were finally taken off the train, they asked which country they were in now. When they were told they were still in America, and they still weren't even halfway from one end to the other, the German prisoners said that if America is truly this big, they don't have a chance at defeating them.

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Anonymous No. 16157602

>read lots of papers
>cant come up with any good testable predictions
>tfw brainlet with decaying skills

Anonymous No. 16157627

>Day 124 of unemployement
Getting a math PhD was a Huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16157631

>>16157130
Literally who?

Anonymous No. 16157634

What's some career options where I get to study medicine, drugs, pathogens and diseases but don't have to be a doctor? Treating bitchy humans seems like such a chore.

Anonymous No. 16157642

>>16157627
Where did your fellow maths graduates end up?

Anonymous No. 16157665

>>16157642
Most got postdoc grants from the Wallenberg family (cryto-Jews who controls 1/3 of Sweden's GDP). Two work at NetLight Consulting as programmers. Some classmates who got their PhDs in physics work at FOI (Swedish government organization for defence research). I know a guy who got his B.Sc. degree in software and works at FRA (Sweden's "NSA"). Some got permanent associate professor (universitetslektor) positions at the same departements where they got their PhD.

Anonymous No. 16157677

>>16154120
>move
I am considering this, but is it even possible without a job offer?

Anonymous No. 16157680

>>16157665
Tried FOI? You can also apply to FFI (the Norwegian equivalent):
https://www.finn.no/job/employer/company/167

In particular:
https://www.finn.no/job/fulltime/ad.html?finnkode=349874618

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Anonymous No. 16157688

>>16157627
we didnt do this to the economy, but we can get ourselves out of it

Anonymous No. 16157712

>>16157688
Physics and also management consulting are not listed, that is interesting.

Anonymous No. 16157725

>>16156529
Electrical Engineering
GPA was 2.8.
But my transcript is literally 10 years long with huge long stretches of Fs where I was unironically an alcoholic and addicted to masturbation and just kept enrolling and never going to class and no one stopped me because I'm totally unlovable and no one cares .

Anonymous No. 16157729

>>16157631
A career criminal who died of a drug overdose while resisting arrest.

Anonymous No. 16157730

>>16157680
Thanks.
>>16154120
Should I try to get another degree?

Anonymous No. 16157737

>>16157464
How hard it is to get into an engineering program is really dependent on what state you are in and what colleges are available.
You didn't write much about your situation, so there isn't much to say.
But in general if you are a shitty academic record, your best chance is to search for a community college that has a partnership with a degree granting university. They usually have some kind of transfer agreement.

Anonymous No. 16157743

>>16157464
>asian
>2.75 gpa
have your parents disowned you?

Anonymous No. 16157744

>>16156529
I just got rejected from Jena. Not sure if they are mid or not. I wanted to study optics.

Anonymous No. 16157748

>>16157441
This sounds interesting, how's the data science and AI market in Japan?
Do you need to be completely fluent in Japanese to work there?

Anonymous No. 16157753

I think it's hilarious that Germany rejected me to study, meanwhile they will offer all the spots to Chinese nationals who will study then go back to China and use the knowledge to make weapons systems to defeat the West.

Anonymous No. 16158038

>>16157725
>>16157744
that sucks of course but you can't extrapolate from 1 rejection
can you get a good reference letter from your current or previous employer?

Anonymous No. 16158078

>>16157725
Post your transcript, honorable degenerate

Anonymous No. 16158246

>>16157730
No you should try getting some marketable skills and learn some languages. Do something that will keep you occupied and positioned better on the job market, you fucking sloth.

Anonymous No. 16158255

>>16157730
>Should I try to get another degree?
You probably need more confidence in using your existing degree plus experience to pivot to something else, rather than starting on a new degree.

Anonymous No. 16158298

>>16157441
Sorry to break your anime fantasy bubble but Japan is not rising from stagflation. Their economy is still shit and barely growing.

Anonymous No. 16158443

>>16157320
None. Environmental consulting is an industry that pays pretty poorly relative to the amount of hours you work and degrees required. That’s why people leave for client side. AECOM is probably the best for purely making money.

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Anonymous No. 16158446

Any particular part-time jobs that go well with postgrad research?
I need some money after making the mistake of going back to do my postgrad without a scholarship despite being born and living in the most expensive city in Australia.

Anonymous No. 16158453

>>16158446
>do my postgrad without a scholarship
wtf are you talking about, do you not receive a salary as a postdoc in australia?

Anonymous No. 16158455

>>16158453
Postdocs do, I'm doing a PhD not postdoc. Normally postgrad will get a stipend of ~30k but I fucked up and started it part-time while I was still working in industry. Now that I finished my industry job and want to go fulltime I've been told I'm too far into the degree to be eligible to apply for the stipend (has to be within the first 1/4 of the degree apparently).
Will probably end up having to stay doing the degree part-time and working part-time. The chemistry work I used to do doesn't exist as part-time so need something else

Anonymous No. 16158457

>>16158455
your advisor cant just give you a research assistantship, or teaching assistantship? sounds like it works differently than in the US

Anonymous No. 16158459

>>16158457
Some do give their students lab dem or tutor roles but my supervisor is not a primary lecturer/unit coordinator for anything he just does certain topics and tutorials within units.

Anonymous No. 16158467

>>16158443
Womp womp. Gonna have to look around for the best ROI and WLB I can. Any suggestions?

Anonymous No. 16158479

Should I quit my comfy STEM position to pursue a PhD in computer science? I am primarily interested in program analysis & programming language theory. Currently I am a software reverse engineer, which is interesting work for sure, but I would like to engage in research.

Anonymous No. 16158490

>>16158246
I understand the importance of keeping occupied but i dont see how self-study can improve my chances.
>>16158255
Just be confident bro

Anonymous No. 16158501

>>16152314
CS as a career is dead unless you leverage your chem background and do something related in it

Anonymous No. 16158503

Just finished all my finals today. I feel retarded and disappointed in myself. I think my hopes for grad school are dead.

Anonymous No. 16158525

>>16152314
God I feel so mogged reading this
31 year old chemist who worked in industry straight after undergrad. Recently quit to go back to postgrad and get my PhD. Wouldn't finish until I'm 34 at the soonest.
Most I ever earned was $100k and that's not in USD. Don't even own an apartment because the property prices here are so fucked.
At least I have a wife and a dog

Anonymous No. 16158636

>>16155001
You coulda gotten hired at NASA if only you'd gotten off gay prose erotica instead.

Anonymous No. 16158637

>>16155451
>Six Sigma
Not that guy, but is Six Shrigma Dick actually a good certification, or is it just memeshit that Brahmins use to pad their résumé? I've seen too many Reddit posts about people complaining about getting Six Ligma certs and an IE degree only to get a shitty 50h/week desk job somewhere in Podunksville, Nebraska filing quality assurance paperwork and receiving complaints about defective merchandise.

Anonymous No. 16158718

Any EEbros who've worked in both industry and academia? I'm thinking about doing my PhD so I can get into DSP-related research. I'm sick of working in defense but I'm sure academia has its own problems

Anonymous No. 16158735

>>16158490
You are the posterchild of someone who is well educated but still dumb as a bag of rocks.

Anonymous No. 16158739

What should I study if I want to work in restoration of antique musical instruments?
I figure something that does both sound physics and something like biology or chemistry. I'm intrested in the technical aspect of it, I don't particularly care about the cultural value of that stuff

Anonymous No. 16158746

Is it hard to break into finance with a master's in CS? What about PhD?

Anonymous No. 16158838

>>16158490
>Just be confident bro
True. And I have been there too so I speak from experience.

Anonymous No. 16158860

>>16158718
you don't need a PhD for DSP. It's... a solved problem of a field. There's weird stuff like sparse sampling but that is seldom practical for real-time solutions especially in embedded systems.

Anonymous No. 16158875

>>16158860
>DSP. It's... a solved problem of a field.
What!?

Anonymous No. 16158877

>>16158525
I didn't graduate until I was 34. I barely passed and basically had to beg to get my engineering degree. I had flunked out twice before that.
Now I work a very boring retarded job for 80k a year and I'm a contractor which means no benefits and can be laid off at any time.
I'm also a virgin and have never had a gf and I live with my mom who is rapidly deteriorating.
You may now proceed to feel better.

Anonymous No. 16159029

>>16158875
The innovations are all from like 40 years ago. They are just respins on the same solutions, with the exception being sparse sampling.

t. designs DSP hardware for a living
well, used to. Now it's AI hardware because again DSP is boring as fuck in terms of new research.

Anonymous No. 16159033

>>16158875
>>16159029
that said if you're just looking for an in into something adjacent that pays well just study comms

Anonymous No. 16159051

>>16158877
>flunked out twice
>has a decent salary
>lives with mother so probably has a lot of money saved up
You cannot suffer as an engineer.

Anonymous No. 16159067

>>16159051
You can as a new grad for software engineering. Or any engineering grad that wants to write software. The use-case for new grads is shit given current budget constraints and the rise of LLMs for simple programming problems.

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Anonymous No. 16159081

>>16158877
When I see others who feel worse off than me it doesn't make me feel better. It just makes me wish I could help them but I don't have that power.

Anonymous No. 16159112

>>16158735
I know. Do you have any more practical advice?

Anonymous No. 16159115

>>16159112
I literally told you. Languages, programming, project portfolio, presentation/interview skills. Go abroad to either teach (stay in your profession) or branch out to whatever you think you can handle.

Are you some kind of retarded rich kid?

Anonymous No. 16159189

>>16158860
I meant doing research related to using signal processing for audio and medical purposes, that sort of thing. Doesn't seem like that kind of research is "solved" or anything

Anonymous No. 16159196

>>16159189
Audio - meh
Medical - I did my masters in biomedical engineering, the signal processing part isn't the interesting part. It's really run-of-the-mill stuff. "How to design a more power-efficient amplifier for wearables or implantables". :"Wavelet decomposition of neural impulses." Blah blah blah boring stuff and basically just the front-end signal analysis. All the cool stuff happens well after.

Anonymous No. 16159234

>>16158637
>getting Six Ligma certs and an IE degree only to get a shitty 50h/week desk job
Well those people are midwits, IEs are bottom of the barrel "engineers" trying to make middle management. The track of PE + PMP is more for running private engineering firms than working for some food and bev plant in Nebraska. As with anything certification it can be useful or just resume padding, it just depends on your work experience of you applying those certs and education.

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Anonymous No. 16159369

>Hate taking stuff apart and think it's a stupid hobby that ruins what already worked
>Pursuing engineering
>Every engineering story has them tinkering or being an autist rather than enjoying their tech
Should I just quit or are there employee engineers here who feel the same?

Anonymous No. 16159391

>>16159029
Some Amazon recruiter reached out to me and all they have advertised on their profile is senior project manager DSP... I'm a fucking cashier why are you reaching out to me? Do I look skilled enough for that?

Anonymous No. 16159427

>>16159234
i got my BS in IE, how do I pivot to something better?

Anonymous No. 16159521

>>16159427
MS in Mechanical Engineering will be the best bet if you can't find a job as a regular ME, and hope for the best. Unfortunately you're pigeon holed into planning, project managing, people managing, etc and not actual engineering. Lucky for you there's more IEs than there are IE jobs so if you can find a job that will take literally any BSC for their engineering jobs you can get that work experience to pivot. Unless you prefer managing people and increasing efficiency in a production line, then you picked the right degree.

Anonymous No. 16159574

>>16159521
Well I do like IE, but I wish I had some more technical ability to design. What about manufacturing engineering?

Anonymous No. 16159598

>>16159574
Manufacturing engineering is a subset of IE, though it is more technical than your standard IE job. It's still about the process of manufacturing rather than designing a tool for the manufacturing process, which is ME, or designing that tool's programming, which is EE. Not to say you can't find a job doing either of those, these are skills learned on the job not during school and if you can find a job learning those skills that's how you pivot.

Anonymous No. 16159673

>>16159598c
Well I am a metrologist and engineering technician, they sometimes have me do random ME shit between quality control slave tasks

Anonymous No. 16159944

>>16159391
the recruitment staff is either full of retarded humans or retarded robots
I get them calling me on whatsapp at random times in the day and I just pick up and say they can't afford me and hang up.