Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:18:32 UTC No. 16148810

>>16148774
a closed system is where the second law of thermodynamics works. An open system is where it does not

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:20:13 UTC No. 16148816

>>16148810
So how can we be certain the universe is a closed system? what's the criterion?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:22:13 UTC No. 16148820

>>16148816
It isn't, all the energy is recycled, never created or destroyed

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:44:16 UTC No. 16148852

>>16148820
So you're saying matter is eternal and the universe had no beginning?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:45:21 UTC No. 16148857

>>16148852
Energy seems eternal. If it isn't, then there is some sort of energy spewing mechanism that shits out energy from time to time.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:50:12 UTC No. 16148868

>>16148857
Energy can not be eternal into the past. That would mean an infinity of time has passed since which can't happen. Likely there is just some sort of creation mechanism that does things every once in a while.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:04:34 UTC No. 16148897

>>16148868
>some sort of creation mechanism
>>16148857
>some sort of energy spewing mechanism
Whatever it take to not consider God.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:15:20 UTC No. 16148917

>>16148897
>Whatever it take to not consider God.
If a god is real, it is near 100% guaranteed to not be your kiketranny god.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:21:19 UTC No. 16148926

>>16148917
I'll pray for you, my doomed brother.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:23:44 UTC No. 16148929

so who made God then?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:25:08 UTC No. 16148930

>>16148926
Same, real God won't be kind on you

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:37:25 UTC No. 16148947

>>16148917
No shit sherlock.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:44:02 UTC No. 16148954

>>16148929
answer this

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:53:05 UTC No. 16148964

>>16148954
Who said God was made?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:56:36 UTC No. 16148966

>>16148964
ah so the universe can't exist since forever surely, because science implications. but God can. got it.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:58:15 UTC No. 16148968

>>16148964
Suppose you had a dehydrated camel equidistant from two sources of water, each equivalent to the camel in every way: does the camel die from thirst because it has no sufficient reason to choose one over the other?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:58:23 UTC No. 16148969

>>16148966
Yeah, it's not that hard to understand. I'm glad you see now.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:00:40 UTC No. 16148976

>>16148968
I don't understand your objection. The camel would choose either if he wants to survive because either choice is essentially the same.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:07:59 UTC No. 16148989

>>16148976
No, the will to survive is precisely equivalent in either. As such, there is no reason for either to evolve from the base state. So why did the camelverse unfold in one way instead of the other?

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:21:57 UTC No. 16148999

>>16148774
>>16148816
>>16148852
>another thinly-veiled religion thread
Man, this board has gone to shit

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:23:26 UTC No. 16149000

>>16148999
Typical materialist believes in unresolved contradictions of causality and reees about God instead of facing his ineptitude.
/sci/ has really turned to shit.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:34:50 UTC No. 16149009

>>16148774
>No attempt to win the game

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:37:57 UTC No. 16149012

>>16148999
So far no one has defined a closed system or given a good reason why the 2nd law of thermodynamics should or shouldn't apply to the universe. It's not my fault the Occam's razor implies God.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 12:28:08 UTC No. 16149803

>>16148774
You can have perpetual motion machine, if it sucks energy from it's environment.

Closed system is system in which system doesn't exchange energy with environment.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 12:49:45 UTC No. 16149823

>>16149803
>You can have perpetual motion machine
a pulsing universe is that

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:41:24 UTC No. 16149868

>>16148999
The jannies on here are so fucking inept

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:43:20 UTC No. 16149872

>>16149868
they're maintaining the state of things. you will have thinly-veiled religion threads and you will be happy. they do it because reasons

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:43:20 UTC No. 16149873

>>16148954
>>16148929

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:47:20 UTC No. 16149879

>>16148929
the funny thing is when people ask this, in reality what they are doing is proving God though they arent smart enough to realize it.

They recognize this is a causal reality so there must be a first cause. Oddly they are willing to accept the Universe as causing itself (though they dont really believe this or they wouldnt ask this question) but not God. They are forced to admit in a causal reality that the first cause, or prime mover is by very definition supernatural in a causal reality. They arent smart enough to put the pieces together however. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too and just look retarded in the process.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:48:01 UTC No. 16149880

>>16148774
You have a floor, the floor is everything in existance. You draw an arbitrary closed shape on the floor. Everything that enters the shape is entering your system. Everything that leaves is leaving your system. If you want to make it useful, you want to put the tape around stuff on the floor where things are rarely if ever going to cross the tape you laid down. That is your closed system.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:51:43 UTC No. 16149884

>>16149872
Imagine of jannies on /a/ were like this? Constant anime hate threads and comic rivalry threads.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 14:37:25 UTC No. 16149950

>>16149873
>Spend 10 minutes reading the babble of a schizophrenic
I shan't

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 14:41:20 UTC No. 16149959

>>16149950
you could have just admitted you are an idiot from a jump and saved is all a bit time. But then I already explained how stupid you are here >>16149879 so it would have been redundant anyway.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 14:42:42 UTC No. 16149960

>>16149959

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 14:52:58 UTC No. 16149970

>>16149960

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:38:32 UTC No. 16150251

>>16149950
You only have two choices

1. The Universe came from nothing

2. God came from nothing (though he didnt, there is no such thing as nothing, only infinite consciousness)

you soi face and suck off the first one and call the second one schizobabble because you are too stupid to understand it. Being this stupid I wonder why you would visit a science board when you are clearly incapable of contributing anything of value due to your low IQ

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:42:24 UTC No. 16150257

>>16150251
>The Universe came from nothing
I don't believe this.

>only infinite consciousness
This is made up nonsense with no evidence going for it, hence you are a babbling schizo.

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:47:08 UTC No. 16150266

>>16150257
>This is made up nonsense with no evidence going for it,
No, actually you are just an uneducated hick who calls are the Geniuses of the past "schizo" because you are an uneducated hick and have no idea who proposed these theories and their proofs for them. Sorry but anyone who says Newton, Tesla, Plato, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Descartes (I could literally go on for hours with this list) are "schizobabble" is not someone whose opinion is tobe taken seriously. You are a knuckledragging retard insulting the heights of human intellect. In short you are a joke

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:49:02 UTC No. 16150268

>>16150266
So show some evidence. Dig deep in your schizophrenic mind.

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:51:22 UTC No. 16150272

>>16150268
Oh just to add, I guess they dont teach stupid zoomers that there are two camps

1. Big Bag

2. Steady state

steady staters are now "schizobabble" according to droolers these days. You are an imbecile and should give your STEM aspirations

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:51:40 UTC No. 16150273

>>16148852
Yes, the creation hypothesis is an error in trying to apply human logic to something which defies all logic and known mechanisms of action, kind of the same problem as defining consciousness.

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:52:23 UTC No. 16150274

>>16150272
*give up* your STEM aspirations

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:52:26 UTC No. 16150275

>>16150272
Show your evidence, I'm interested in what you have to say.

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:54:33 UTC No. 16150279

>>16150275
This is my personal video archive
https://ugetube.com/@bodhi_mantra?page=play-lists

watch in this order

1. Sangha

2. Introduction To The Mysteries

3. Zero point

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:56:13 UTC No. 16150288

>>16150279
I'm not watching your 10hour+ playlist. You can make an argument contained in a post.

bodhi at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:57:07 UTC No. 16150290

>>16150288
Im not personal fucking tutor you worthless sack of shit

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:57:43 UTC No. 16150292

>>16148868
>That would mean an infinity of time has passed since which can't happen.
According to who?

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 18:59:26 UTC No. 16150294

>>16150290
I think you're only afraid you're gonna embarrass yourself with your soccer mom spiritualism.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 19:00:45 UTC No. 16150296

>>16150292
It's not an infinite amount of time if you've passed it by this point.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 19:04:57 UTC No. 16150298

>>16150296
Say that again in a way that doesn't sound like a 3rd grader came up with it

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 19:13:43 UTC No. 16150310

>>16150298
You will never pass an infinite amount of time.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 19:16:12 UTC No. 16150314

>>16150310
You don't pass anything, time is a singular moment, the notion of past and future extends infinitely in both directions, you can walk on a road that's infinite in length, there doesn't have to be a beginning or an end

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 19:20:19 UTC No. 16150327

>>16150310
you wouldn't know anyway if you reset

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 22:01:08 UTC No. 16150569

>>16150268
>The “crackers in the cupboard fallacy” is a philosophical concept that refers to the idea that some people claim that the existence of God or a higher power cannot be proven or believed until there is empirical evidence or direct experience.
Do you think all knowledge is perceptual in nature?

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 22:04:19 UTC No. 16150574

>>16150569
>philosophical
doesn't matter not science >>>/lit/

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 22:09:48 UTC No. 16150589

>>16150574
Science is based on philosophy, so it isn't science

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 22:26:42 UTC No. 16150627

>>16150589
Wrong
>>>/lit/

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 22:33:23 UTC No. 16150648

>>16150627
So science doesn't follow logic?

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 22:36:30 UTC No. 16150657

>>16150574
People like you are why science is in shambles.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 23:32:01 UTC No. 16150760

>>16149823
Those words don't mean anything

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 23:33:18 UTC No. 16150765

>>16150760
Nta but reality is just one singular flow/exchange of energy, it is literally a perpetual motion machine

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 23:34:49 UTC No. 16150772

>>16150760
big bang - big crunch - big bang - big crunch - big bang - ....
do you need a drawing with that?

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 23:38:49 UTC No. 16150781

>>16150772
Even if this model is true we don't know if each big bang has the same amount of energy as the previous

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Apr 2024 23:40:49 UTC No. 16150784

>>16150781
true, may have an energy/matter cost, but constants would change each cycle.
where would it go anyway? weird thinking of an outside for our universe.

Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 00:00:59 UTC No. 16150823

>>16150784
It could be that some of the earliest material at the edge of our current universe doesn't get pulled back into the singularity, leaving rings of slowly expanding material unaffected by the next universe.
But we'd have no way of proving that, just like we have no way of really proving anything on a billion+ year scale.

Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 02:29:52 UTC No. 16151058

>>16148774
Second law has nothing to do with closed systems.

Anonymous at Mon, 29 Apr 2024 04:45:41 UTC No. 16151175

>>16150772
That is an infinite regress; it can't do that forever eternally without starting somewhere.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 06:40:06 UTC No. 16152823

>>16148820
>>16148816
>>16148774
GO TO THIS THREAD >>16152659 WHERE I TALKED ABOUT IT, thank god one thread in the catalog had people asking questions like me, doesnt feel good being a genius m8

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:37:48 UTC No. 16153064

>>16151175
>infinite regress
who made the universe, who made who made the universe, who made who made who made the universe
it's unavoidable one way or the other. and universe existing since forever and forever is simpler than coming up with creators for the universe, and creators for those creators

bodhi at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:51:55 UTC No. 16153077

>>16153064
>it's unavoidable one way or the other. and universe existing since forever and forever is simpler
It is simple logic, it is mind blowing the people here cant use the most basic logic

If is this is a casual realty (which it is) and something can't come from nothing then the only logical explanation is that 0 is not the default state, 1 is. Period, it is that simple

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:19:58 UTC No. 16153600

>>16153064
>clinging to the most rudimentary argument for atheism

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:21:33 UTC No. 16153604

>>16153600
fuck off

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:40:41 UTC No. 16153851

>>16148820
If light redshifts under the expansion of the universe, where did that energy go? Seems like it was destroyed to me

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:46:32 UTC No. 16153859

>>16148917
You don't want God to be real, but you cannot always get what you want. Of course, you can make negative claims, or say "hurr durr God can't be real because flyin spaghetti ain't real and I cannot find any teapots orbiting the sun hurr durr."

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:49:37 UTC No. 16153862

>>16153851
why does it redshift?

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:50:29 UTC No. 16153863

>>16148774
Sort of off topic, but can anyone explain "WHAT" gravity is? I am not talking about what it does. That's easy. What is gravity? Can you take a photo of gravity? Can you take a teaspoon of gravity? Can you hold gravity in your hand? So, what is the placeholder for gravity if we don't know what it is? We already have the placeholder of "dark matter" to explain what we don't know about the universe. You see what I am getting at? So, we have placeholders for anything, but if God is used as a placeholder, people freak out. "Hurr durr God does not exist." Well, what if I said dark matter does not exist and say that it is God that is the placeholder? What is wrong with that? You do the same thing with dark matter.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:52:57 UTC No. 16153871

>>16150314
>You don't pass anything, time is a singular moment, the notion of past and future extends infinitely in both directions, you can walk on a road that's infinite in length, there doesn't have to be a beginning or an end
Cool, then you can also say that God has no beginning or end.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:53:35 UTC No. 16153875

>>16153863
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6akmv1bsz1M

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:54:42 UTC No. 16153879

>>16153064
It is simple because it hurts your brain to think. Intellectual laziness.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:55:21 UTC No. 16153882

>>16153871
not science >>>/lit/

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:56:23 UTC No. 16153883

>>16153879
>>16153882

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:05:53 UTC No. 16154664

>>16150657
any philosopher that takes a single look at humanity would thoughtfully refrain from telling anything significantly new and true to us

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:09:14 UTC No. 16154669

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:14:12 UTC No. 16154676

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:15:14 UTC No. 16154677

need better as simiulations
(eyeroll)

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:23:53 UTC No. 16154682

>>16148964
existence as a premise is just a red herring so whatever this is is stupid or has a point in selling books
better to go read about buddha and what he had to say about whether we should eat latecomer

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:28:03 UTC No. 16154684

>>16154682
>existence as a premise
sorry the point is to say this sentence makes no sense either the way you're currently thinking abotut or the inverted other way or any combination thereof at all is the point

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:30:39 UTC No. 16154686

also this weird thing happens with IQ where bashing things together is the only way to do anything different and not more 1001101010

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:33:26 UTC No. 16154687

and we also probably shouldn't even ever do that anyway

Anonymous at Wed, 1 May 2024 11:34:30 UTC No. 16154690

probably find cthulu when the angels so supposed would ... that's up to them isn't it?

Anonymous at Thu, 2 May 2024 06:46:32 UTC No. 16156060

No one knows if the universe is a closed system or not.

Anonymous at Fri, 3 May 2024 04:42:44 UTC No. 16157342

>>16148774
The second law has like 10 ways to phrase it. The closed system thing is maybe the least useful.