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🧵 /scg/ - STEM career general

Anonymous No. 16159901

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Anonymous No. 16159904

What do aliens look like?

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Anonymous No. 16159905

Protip: Do not get a degree in chemistry or biology. Use it to get into medical school then forget about it.

Anonymous No. 16159908

Visit the US border and you'll find aliens of many different lifeforms.

Anonymous No. 16159912

Medicinal chemistry, epidemiology, and public health specialist are good options. Though the latter could get you to go to brown countries to study local outbreaks though.

Anonymous No. 16159914

Why do Euros insist on leaving their paradise? It really confuses me as an American.

Anonymous No. 16159923

One of the chemistry professors that I wanted to do research under was Chinese. When I looked at his current and prior graduate students, they were all also Chinese. Mind you Chinese society is a very low-trust society so I don't know why the sudden shift in favoritism.

Anonymous No. 16159927

Gotta fix that last link:

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Anonymous No. 16160155

Question for the group

I'm a career finance bro who has enough money via investments to retire and leave the cesspoll of banking and finance behind.

I'm interested in engineering and want to build robots with artificial intelligence. I have programs I want to apply to begin that process, but I don't care about internships and most of those heavily advertise those.

How important to an engineering education are internships? Are the purely a wagecuck entry thing?

Anonymous No. 16160213

>day 126 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

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Anonymous No. 16160324

>a degree
Correct. Get two degrees.

Anonymous No. 16160583

>day 5 of unemployment
getting a math phd might have been a huge mistake, not sure yet. So far it seems that my future career will not be in consulting.

Anonymous No. 16160652

Oh great there's two of them now

Anonymous No. 16160659

>227 days before I start my math phd
can't wait

Anonymous No. 16160811

my career has been a series of very bad mistakes and i struggle to dig myself out of it

Anonymous No. 16160822

Internships exist to ease the transition from university to employment. If you want to work on projects on your own time, feel free to educate yourself and develop a portfolio of projects as evidence of your skills. Alternatively, invest in startups / smaller companies in the fields you like, and scalp patents you find have some value, so that you can apply them to your own projects or business.

Anonymous No. 16160823

Agbro here. What career paths have a decent balance of growth to pay scale? I'm looking to retire early and work on my own stuff when I can.

Anonymous No. 16160833

Got upset talking to my mom and overate again. How do I stop eating while upset?

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Anonymous No. 16160840

Should I do a second M.Sc in data science or continue paid teacher training?
t. unemployed math phd

Anonymous No. 16160845

I have no idea what that means.

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Anonymous No. 16160878

>me explaining to the recruiter slut what a PhD is

Anonymous No. 16160941

About to start a physics PhD. The fact I actually really want to work on death machines means there'll be jobs for me, right?

Anonymous No. 16160964

>Use it to get into medical school then forget about it.
Even then, I think it's better to just get a high paying bachelor's and then apply to med school. Then you'll actually have a fallback. Take it from someone who did 10 months of medical training and then crashed out and has nothing to show for all that work (except a reason not to go to med school like he was originally vying for)

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Anonymous No. 16160968

>Why do Euros insist on leaving their paradise?
Also they can always just *go back* since they are, presumedly, citizens. Go back richer even if they actually get the credentials and work here.

Anonymous No. 16161020

I'm from western europe but salaries are too low here (data science)
I want to move elsewhere for a few years but I have no idea where. USA is extremely competitive and the job market is currently in the shitter. I'm ready to get a phd if necessary

Anonymous No. 16161077

My bitch mother realizes I've met someone similar to me (aka someone I like)

Anonymous No. 16161084

Saying agbro (which I assume means agriculture) in a stem general is crazy. This isn't north carolina. "Ag" isn't a recognizable prefix in all contexts (this clearly being one of the contexts where it's not).

Anonymous No. 16161089

If you like probably poverty wages (and/or love kids), continue teacher training. Otherwise, get out since you're already having informed second-thoughts (aka second thoughts borne of actual experience of the matter).

Anonymous No. 16161093

>The fact I actually really want to work on death machines means there'll be jobs for me, right?
Anon, please reconsider. Also, I think that's not really the case even then.

Anonymous No. 16161241

Yes, whoops. Agriculture.
>t. hillbilly

Anonymous No. 16161302

Did you apply to FFI yet? They employ plenty of foreigners.

Anonymous No. 16161304

Care to elaborate??

Anonymous No. 16161313

I wish that in my shit hole country universities arranged internships for you.

Anonymous No. 16161353

But Europeans enjoy more social services, higher quality infrastructure, a homogeneous culture/population, and is actually a meritocracy unlike America. The US can only offer few percent points higher on your paycheck.

Anonymous No. 16161357

>The US can only offer few percent points higher on your paycheck.
That's too definitive a statement about too broad a topic (a hypothetical topic even) to be accurate or rightly authoritative.

Anonymous No. 16161361

You're a basically saying I'm wrong, but I am not. Americans on paper do take home a bigger salary than Europe on average, but everything about Europe is far better.

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Anonymous No. 16161389

>You're a basically saying I'm wrong
Not really. I'm basically saying "How can you say something so pinpoint and precise with what is (I think) very very limited information [that anon is from western europe and he is pursuing a PhD in something tech related]?"

Tech salaries in the US are bonkers compared to those in western europe, I've heard. To a much larger degree than can be encompassed by the phrase "few percent points higher on your paycheck".

>Americans on paper do take home a bigger salary than Europe on average, but everything about Europe is far better.
perhaps that's the case. Perhaps, for some, it is not the case. It's important not to employ "one-size-fits-all" thinking in matters where that's literally untrue.

Anonymous No. 16161409

Stop being such a faggot cocksucker and just apply for jobs in other countries. Holy shit you are such a nuisance.

Anonymous No. 16161431

America literally clowns Europe on all those metrics. Name the country.

Anonymous No. 16161448

>The Scandinavian countries
America is no longer the greatest country on Earth.

Anonymous No. 16161450

Name one better (and then yours)

Anonymous No. 16161513

>muh healthcare

Anonymous No. 16161516

>please reconsider
What options are better?

Anonymous No. 16161629

could always consider optometry. nice comfy work.

Anonymous No. 16161676

Curing cancer, ending world hunger, biological immortality, teach Africans how to build wells and purify water, build a cheap mass producable mine clearing drone for war torn regions, helping humanity thrive.

Anonymous No. 16161708

>day 127 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16161711

First of all, the things you suggest are retarded for someone who's going for a physics PhD (and, to be honest, retarded for anyone in any field). There's much more tractable problems within applied physics.

The fact that you think it's useful for some city-dwelling student to go out to Africa and teach well building gives a decent idea of how clued in you are.

Anonymous No. 16161731

Even more retarded than building the Lockmart Human Evaporator 9000™?

Anonymous No. 16161778


I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Always always always get the engineering undergrad. For shit like maths/physics/whatever you are going to need a masters+ anyways. Get the engineering degree and and if it turns out you are a total shitter who can’t hack it in academia then at least you can pay your bills by designing screws or toilets or something else equally boring. If you can hack it, oops you spent maybe an extra semester or two learning some shit you’ll never use, big whoop.

Do you wanna do what you want or do you want to eat?

Anonymous No. 16161786

Other than Intel, AMD & Nvidia. Which companies hire chemistry majors (MS,PhDs) for designing computer chips, circuit board and batteries?

Anonymous No. 16161792

>few percent points

No. The ceiling in the US for engineers is way, way higher than euro counterparts. Not the average chuckle fuck mind you, but the guys who are actually good.

Anonymous No. 16161796

Samsung, Texas Instruments, LAM Research, Analog Devices, Micron.

t. Semiconductor bro

Anonymous No. 16161835

come to chile, europeans are in easy mode (both socially and economically)

Anonymous No. 16161844

Really? I don't speak spanish though

Anonymous No. 16161850

Spanish is really easy. The only difficult concept is its love affair with the reflexive

Anonymous No. 16161877

I can only speak for Germany, but
>more social services
At the cost of much higher taxes and health care costs if you're a high earner.
>higher quality infrastructure
Debatable, our train network is in a terrible condition for a western country, fewer than 70% of trains are on time. Overall public transport is probably still better than in the US, but if I had the choice between public transport and a car I would almost always pick the car.
>a homogeneous culture/population
Those days are long gone. About 40% (!) of pupils are descendants of immigrants. It's only going to take a few decades until ethnic Germans are a minority in Germany.
>is actually a meritocracy unlike America
Completely untrue, the pay ceiling is much lower so that high performance mostly isn't rewarded, in addition to taxes you'll also pay enormous amounts of money for health insurance because it scales with pay. Unemployment money is so high that working in low-paying jobs is basically punishing yourself.
Overall I'd say Germany is better if you're looking for security (or you're just too lazy to work). If you actually want to earn a lot o money or create innovations the US is definitely better.

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Anonymous No. 16162003

How did it go? If you get the job, I'll invite you for a lunch. I used to work there, years ago.

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Anonymous No. 16162004

Should I bring up my trans goth gf in 4)?

Anonymous No. 16162101

What a shitty and dysfunctional society.

Anonymous No. 16162269

Any option that doesn't contribute to that which is disagreeable, unlikeable, unpleasant and/or undesirable for others is better than that. Any option that contributes to that which is agreeable, likeable, pleasant and/or desirable for others is better still.

I'm already pretty locked into this tech thing. Also I'm going to trucking school. Between those two I think I can find a way of life that is comfy enough for a single person (not gonna have kids).

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Anonymous No. 16162272

About to finish my Masters in Computational Physics.
Does my thesis actually matter? Is an employer gonna look at it and tell me to fuck off? It has no use outside of academia and I DO NOT want to work in academia.

Anonymous No. 16162286

>teach Africans how to build wells and purify water
Your savior package is out of date. Please update and restart. :)

Anonymous No. 16162299

That's just sound advice to be honest. It's prudent, temperate, circumspect, rational and a whole host of other admirable stuff.

Anonymous No. 16162306

like in the software industry? no one cares
if you're doing something related to comp physics? they might want you to talk about it in an interview but no one's gonna read it

Anonymous No. 16162348

That's good to know. Likely going into software as I can't stand academia but I wouldn't be opposed to something that uses my physics and/or ML experience.

Anonymous No. 16162447

How? America is deindustrializing. Where is this huge demand for highly paid engineers going to come from?

Anonymous No. 16162452

>Those days are long gone. About 40% (!) of pupils are descendants of immigrants. It's only going to take a few decades until ethnic Germans are a minority in Germany.
This is really crazy to me. Why would they do this? It's like they just blatantly copied American politics without thinking.
It's one thing for America to become majority non-white given that white people aren't originally from there. Now granted it's still very questionable, especially the manner in which it's being done, but it's harder to get worked up about it. But for this to happen in places like Germany and other Euro countries is really insane and almost like vicious in a way.

Anonymous No. 16162580

how do i get a job when i have no experience?
at this point i may consider a job as a baker instead

Anonymous No. 16162918

>wouldn't be opposed to something that uses my physics and/or ML experience
Like finance or consultancies?

Anonymous No. 16162924

The demand isn’t huge, but it’s there. The reason isn’t because there are a ton of seasoned engineering positions it’s because very very few can credential up enough to fit into them.

Only 1/4th of all engineers have their PE, and of those 1/4 only maybe 1/10 of have a design portfolio that shows them actually being an engineer of record. So just right there the bare minimum credential and experience to even get sniffed at for a principle role is 2-5% of all the practicing engineers in the US. Now let’s add some more on top of that, you want do nuclear or defense stuff? Automatically eliminates anyone without US citizenship or anyone that had any kind of trouble in their past. Let’s go one more step and throw in some medium to heavy travel requirement, no mid or senior level engineer is going to want to travel that much away from his home and family and are perfectly content not making tons of money. Lastly, let’s face it, most engineers are social retards, individual contributors. Finding an engineer who can lead even a 3-4 person team is hard.

Those big dick $250k a year engineering positions are extremely difficult to fill.

Anonymous No. 16162935

Why not, so long as it's not too boring I'll do anything

Anonymous No. 16162936

Hi Stemkings, I'm studying for a degree in physics. About how much should I study per day/week (this includes time working on hw/assignments)? I know you're supposed to study for 2 hours per 1 hour of class time, but that would suggest 30 hours per week? I think 3 hours per day would work for me. I took the Jordan peterson IQ test and got an 120, so maybe I should just kill myself instead.

Anonymous No. 16162945

Also, is Physics that much more difficult than Engineering, Math, Computer Science, Chem, Bio, etc., or are they all about the same?

Anonymous No. 16163124

>a few percent points
>double if not triple my wage
Sure I earn enough to live here but I could be earning a lot more.
T. French

Anonymous No. 16163201

Engineering is the hardest undergrad sheerly from course load. Engineering is technically a 5 year but most people do it in 4 by slamming 18 credits a semester. Plus you got a shit ton of labs and projects to do. The actual material isn’t that hard, but it’s indergrad, none of the material is that difficult on its own.

Anonymous No. 16163231

Physics is useless without grad school, but you do grt to clown on stuck up faggot engineers

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Anonymous No. 16163542

>no geologists
Let’s fix that. Passed the PG exam. Now setting sights on joining professional orgs, volunteering, and doing an advanced certification. Goal is to switch to client side in the next year or so.

Anonymous No. 16163775

>day 128 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16164025

>The demand isn’t huge, but it’s there
Without huge demand what is going to be driving your high salary?
High salaries are a result of huge demand.
>Those big dick $250k a year engineering positions are extremely difficult to fill.
How many engineers are making $250k a year?
Probably less than half of 1 percent?
Why even focus on such a thing when it's statistically irrelevant? Do you even have a job?

Anonymous No. 16164158

I have a PhD in biology (I do comp bio) and I've been looking since November 2023. I finally got 3 different interviews a few weeks ago and I'm continuing with 2nd-final round interviews this week. I did have to switch from industry plans to doing a postdoc though, but at least academia actually has jobs for me rather than sitting at home.

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Anonymous No. 16164246

Mathbros, how the fuck do I get a job? My backup plan in CS has collapsed. Only secondary school teaching left. To be fair, JKs are not that bad.

Anonymous No. 16164569

I'm thinking about doing my final project of the degree (electrical engineering, in my country you must do one to graduate) on a HVDC line with a lenght of over 400 km and its stations, any thoughts or advice?

Anonymous No. 16164712

How do I know how good of a PhD program I can get into? I don't have much research experience (just a bit as an undergraduate research assistant) so I am worried about the quality of programs that will take me. I should finish my master's with a 4.0 or very close to one, and I've also got some relevant professional experience, but I have no idea how to gauge how good of an applicant I am. I don't want to waste my time applying to schools that won't take me. I'm not delusional enough to think I can get into a top tier school.

Anonymous No. 16164714

What are you doing for the project? Just a report and some calculations?

Anonymous No. 16164728

I got in where I did by cold calling and emailing professors researching topis I was interested in, working some of my charm, and trying to learn what I could

Anonymous No. 16164736

That is a good point. I do have professors I'd like to reach out to before ruling out some of the schools I am considering. Thankfully I am still over a year out from the application process since I am targeting Fall 2026. The bad news is that I am not particularly charming. I am a high-functioning autist.

Anonymous No. 16164774

Yeah I do have a job. Making $180k at the moment but have been shopping around for better.

And no, not many engineers are making that much. They get stuck because they 1) are turbo shitters who can’t comprehend technical shit or 2) can’t lead a team to some end goal

My point still remains, if you actually know what you’re doing and can guide a meager handful of Junior guys you are sitting fucking pretty.

Yes that’s rare. Unbelievably rare. It seems so simple to you but you don’t comprehend the actual incompetence that filters out most dudes.

Anonymous No. 16164973

This. Your average engineer is a glorified CAD monkey with a paper degree and limited critical thinking skills. College teaches the theoretical aspects, but hardly any of the practical ones. Like no, little timmy, you can't put a hole in a recessed corner and expect your machinist/tech to fit a drill in there and bore it out, even if it makes your model look perfect.

Managing a group of autists is often where the real money comes for 99% of non-autist genius ICs and that's why majors like IE will be in (theoretically) higher demand; you'll need to speak with people that don't know engineering and tell your engineering team what needs to be done. Unfortunately, only a small portion of grads can actually manage this, while the rest become paper pushers for useless shit. It really does take a lot to be a good engineer, far beyond what diploma mills expect of their graduates. Ideally you want to know your shit and be a good manager, but you should at least pick one if you're not capable of both.

Regardless of which path you pick, be the best communicator of the bunch. The number one skill engineers lack is strong communication/social aptitude, and that can totally tank even the brightest engineer's chances of getting a sweet job.

Anonymous No. 16164986

Why did you reflexively start typing in reddit spacing after getting challenged?

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Anonymous No. 16165033

I am persuing a master's in bioinformatics and will do a PhD. once I graduate. Is this field any good? I would like to hear your thoughts and experiences. I gained experience working with MATLAB, python and R. Really good at mathematical analysis as well as biochem, genetics and molecular biology. It was hell pushing through all this but I did it and I'm proud so I just hope it will pay off atleast a bit. My thesis revolves around applying statistical algorithms to simulate CRISPR dynamics.

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Anonymous No. 16165096

How much does company reputation matter in terms of future employability?

A major company i interned for decided to not hire anyone from my cohort. After 6 months of search I only came up with 2 interviews and one gave me an offer. It's not one of the big 3 major O&G service company but they offered a LDP program which may open up global opportunities. It sounds nice but ultimately I would like to pivot to the operator side because of stability.

Anyone been with both an OEM and operator have any opinion on this?

Anonymous No. 16165321

I don’t know what “Reddit spacing” is. Bullet point format for writing is common, it’s what your resume and your power point presentations should look like.

If you showed your boss a presentation with a huge fucking paragraph his eyes will roll back in his head and not pay attention to anything you wrote.

Anonymous No. 16165510

>day 129 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16165774

Any anons here working in computer graphics, simulations ? Do anyone here have a roadmap to get a job in these fields ? (Books, electives etc)

>T. Cs major (junior)

Anonymous No. 16165891

Tips on what university I should go to if I want to be a technology guy in the performing arts field?

Anonymous No. 16165898

Why would you like that?

Anonymous No. 16165952

Fucking ballerinas?

Anonymous No. 16165977

Which industry is better for software engineers, banking/fintech or defense? Europoor btw

Anonymous No. 16165982

I would say defense if you are looking for stability.

Anonymous No. 16165983

I'm looking for money and interesting work

Anonymous No. 16166011

I like art, but I am sure I can't do that for a living because I suck at self expression, creativity and similiar things.
I still would very much like to be involved with it in my carreer. Was wondering if there were ways to get there through stem since it seems like math and other stem subjects are what I'm good at without trying
I'm young enough that anything could do for now and I'll figure it out better later. Hell, if someone told me -for example- become an architect and you can 100% go design/do manteinance for theatres, museums, stages or w/e I'd do it. But it seems like a very small percentage of architects does that.
Are there better ways? I don't think I can study humanistic crap...

Anonymous No. 16166030

Just do some more employable bullshit and do a minor in your field of choice or pick up a hobby. Do that shit in your free time when you have a comfy job with bennies and a big paycheck, even if it's boring. You make your passion your life, you'll hate it (unless you're a one trick pony autist with no other interests).

Anonymous No. 16166134

What STEM degrees have the best balance of broad attractiveness to employers and decent career ROI? I'm looking to respecialize without a ton of debt.

Anonymous No. 16166135

Unemployed math PhD guy here. I did an internship at Riksteatern (Swedish government theatre organization) when I was studying software engineering. Turns out there are a lot of tech people working in these types of organization. Lot of random admin and sales (??!) people too. Still there was a lot of artist types and actors running about. Ballerinas too. I was working on some theatre venue booking system. PHP, LAMP, MySQL. HTML, CSS, and jQuery (lel). This was almost 15 years ago before React and Angular when websites were good. Anyways, maybe you should just study computer science?

Anonymous No. 16166140

What kind of degree do you have now?

Anonymous No. 16166143

>How many engineers are making $250k a year?

Anonymous No. 16166149

>What STEM degrees have the best balance of broad attractiveness to employers and decent career ROI?
Engineering degrees. Especially electrical engineering. Chemical engineering is not so hot. Stay away from math and physics degrees. Computer Science might also be a bit risky.

Anonymous No. 16166209

Agricultural science.
Thought about doing EE if I can get it paid for, debating on CS due to its ubiquity if nothing else. Big fan of computer hardware, especially DIY and unique shit like optics and analogue processing.

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Anonymous No. 16166211

Here's the shitbox. 2poor4parts. Case is older than me.

Anonymous No. 16166337

Software engineers aren't actual engineers.
Also read the context of the comment chain, the guy was talking about PEs and shit.

Anonymous No. 16166342

>My backup plan in CS has collapsed.
How did that happen?
Also, considered starting your own company?

Anonymous No. 16166351

>Fucking ballerinas?

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Anonymous No. 16166625

Anyone here run a STEM business? I'm starting a consulting company. I think I may have leveled up too much for /scg/ because it's mostly undergrad talking about which major to choose

Anonymous No. 16166711

What about computer science degree with a minor in physics ? Does that look good on resume ?

Anonymous No. 16166801

Go all in on quantum computing
>Does that look good on resume?
Unless it's from a public and private ivy league, keywords, tailoring your resume to a job application, and applying early will be the main factors for landing an interview. Credentials is only half the battle. Sucks but that is the world we live in.

Anonymous No. 16166809

Medicine seems to be the only degree at the moment that achieves both of your desired qualities.
>Agricultural science
Look into plant disease epidemiology. It's a national security concern so it's bound to get decent (but necessarily a lot) of attention and funding from the government.

Anonymous No. 16166816

Get the biggest bottle you can afford and fill it up with water. When you're upset and drink the whole thing and wait for 15 minutes. After the 15 minutes, if you're still hungry, feel free to pig out.

Anonymous No. 16166934

Working at a Walmart or Amazon pays as much as a junior engineer doing mundane CAD. At least with Walmart and Amazon you get employee discounts.

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Anonymous No. 16166976

Anyone quit without having a job lined up? I have cash to coast for ever. Just that fucking tired of my current job. Been here 8.5 years and some of the older dudes still won't budge on basic shit. Like when working night shifts, how about you dont make me work until fucking 6:30 AM. Compromise at 4. And many other fucking inconveniences this job has (travel, short notice on said travel plans, etc). It feels like golden handcuffs cause the money is good but I'm over it.

Anonymous No. 16166978

I don't really see the commercialisation or application of quantum computing arriving in the STEM anytime soon

Anonymous No. 16167012

Don't quit retard

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Anonymous No. 16167064

>This is really crazy to me. Why would they do this?
The main reason is an economic one: Germans noticed already in the 1960s (Gastarbeiterprogramm) that to increase the supply workforce and bring down the labor costs, it's a faster and cheaper solution to import people than encourage them to have children through expensive social programs. Also the elite still live their own bubbles and enjoy the benefits of cheap workforce while not having to face the downsides of immigration the same way as an average person does.

>But for this to happen in places like Germany and other Euro countries is really insane and almost like vicious in a way
Germans have been psychologically castrated by guilt due to the nazi past. For them it is still very difficult to suggest that the immigration policies of the past decades have not succeeded very well. However, the problems are already so big that the sentiment is slowly changing. You may have heard how far-right has gained support all over the Europe, and many European countries already have a far-right goverment.

Anonymous No. 16167078

There are people in the thread that have their own companies. I could give you tips for instance if you want it. Even though you could be in a jurisdiction I have no operations in.

Anonymous No. 16167081

if you cant get a postdoc then your phd was not good enough

Anonymous No. 16167087

I don't know a single German who has a problem with Turkish guest workers from the 60s (except for Arab family clans maybe, but that really is not a widely discussed issue in Germany).
The discussions always are about non-integrated new immigrants. This currently is mostly people from Syria and Afghanistan (I wonder whose nation's peacekeeping activities made them flee their homeland out of desperation from a destroyed future in a war torn country. Makes you think...).

Oh and you have also touched on another good point: Immigrants have been cheap laborers in Germany where German inhabitants would have been more demanding.

Anonymous No. 16167122

Which programming languages should I learn if I want to work on shit that's actually interesting and not end up in web garbage?

Anonymous No. 16167126

I know. No need to rub it in.

Anonymous No. 16167128

>shit that's actually interesting
lol. lmao even.

Anonymous No. 16167132

>What about computer science degree with a minor in physics ?
Man of culture!
>Does that look good on resume ?
Yes: it sets you apart from the 99.99% of the others with a CS degree. It also enables some common sense
>Lessseeeee, so we adjust the grid voltage to 120 gigavolts, and the frequency to 15 GHz...

Don't. Look up hyponatremia. People die of this every year. Instead pig out on salad, but don't go overboard on tomatoes.

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Anonymous No. 16167142

You are right about Turks, it was not a very good example. But even today, it's occasionally used as a pro-immigration argument despite having little to do with the current situtation.

Anonymous No. 16167156

sorry bb

Anonymous No. 16167167

I think i will make the electrical and mechanical calculations, a budget, also the stations on each end and the topographical profile of the path, basically i have to resesrch and explain everything that is not trivial about it

Anonymous No. 16167169

>commies still are alive and can conduct their political operations

These governments are not far right my friend. They are just edgy liberals.

Anonymous No. 16167386

The job market is heading in strange direction trhat I am not sure I am confortable with:
>We need an AI constitution that protects our civil rights
>As chief scientist of one of the first companies to use AI in hiring, I built the system that passed you over for that job. The massive employers that were our customers didn’t need to wait for your job application; we in effect applied for you, whether you knew it or not. But when AI decides who gets hired you’ll never know why it wasn’t you. A human being asking you about age, your politics or family planning during the hiring process would be an actionable violation of your civil rights. AI doing the same without your knowledge is just as wrong, but completely hidden from view.

Anonymous No. 16167441

I have a job offer back home. By local standards the salary is OK, but I've lived in the US for some years and that comparison is demoralising. It's a pay cut from my postdoc.

It's also a big step down in prestige, I've done my degrees and postdoc at global top 5 universities. And this is some random early stage company. Wouldn't give stock options either. But the work seems cool and it's industry experience which I have very little of. And the prestige thing is mostly smoke and mirrors.

The academic career kind of tanked. All the groups I was in stopped existing before I could get proper work published and I got fucked over. Could probably get a second postdoc and apply for group leader positions afterwards, don't really want to.

I've been completely worn down and depressed for the last few years. Could just about do my job and run my life but grinding job applications on top of that just didn't happen. The whole visa/moving continents thing means I can't just coast.

It's not terrible but it's just a bit shit. I guess to summarise I could have ended up in exactly the same place with a lot less effort and sacrifice over the last decade.

Anonymous No. 16167446

Take the offer and dont look back.

Anonymous No. 16167493

Is it even physically possible for europeans to go without whining about America for two minutes?

Anonymous No. 16167524

Except guess what it's gonna do to your chances to get into a good MSc/PhD program in pure science? That's right, fucking nullify them.

Anonymous No. 16167651

It matters. I worked for a fortune 50 company and it has had headhunters on my nuts ever since.

Anonymous No. 16167656

Quit and go spend a year in SEA. Thank me later.

Anonymous No. 16167676

Just re-signed my contract for my current faculty position for a fifth year. This was supposed to be a 2-3 year gig after finishing my doctorate, but my applications are going nowhere.

I'm getting publications out, I'm getting huge amounts of department and organizational service in, I'm teaching classes at every level from the big service courses to the niche graduate stuff, but I've been denied every grant and been ghosted by every school and lab I've applied to.

Anonymous No. 16167686

I'm in FL

Anonymous No. 16167708

Pound the pavement man. Those first few years suck ass. You’re gonna get told no, no, no, and then out of fucking nowhere some dude is gonna call you up and say his regular guy is too busy or too expensive. You snowball from there. Don’t lose momentum just because you get a big invoice.

Anonymous No. 16167720

That doesn't sound too bad desu.

Anonymous No. 16167804

Not OP, can people with CompE major and physics minor work in simulations and computer graphics/animation industry ?

Anonymous No. 16167825

Probably. I have a degree in Applied Physics with some software courses/experience, and used to work in the defence simulator industry.

Anonymous No. 16168148

Computer engineering or electrical engineering better for cutting-edge prototypical computing technology? Guys in the thread here got me interested in making 3d optic computing hardware with integral support for analogue spectrometry

Anonymous No. 16168152

It's also sparked a few questions as to the feasibility of gamma ray recovery charging and quantum computing applications

Anonymous No. 16168179

either is fine

Anonymous No. 16168229

Do the EE. It’s more versatile.

Anonymous No. 16168233

Either one will require higher than a bachelor's, so I'd do EE first then a masters in CE then a PhD in CE in that specific type of prototypical tech. You're not going to be doing any of that shit if you just do your 4 year degree in either EE or CE

Anonymous No. 16168246

I'm married and have a 2.5 year old otherwise that would be a blast.

Anonymous No. 16168254

How big is the importance of actively trying to join research groups in undergrad?

Im in physics and my bread and butter has recently been non equilibrium thermodynamics. I also have a passing interest in relativity and have been consistently not very good at quantum mechanics.
It just recently dawned on me that I cannot live into grad school being as uninterested as I have been in modern research nor can I actively participate if I don't know quantum mechanics real good. This has prompted me into joining a research project on quantum optics and attending physics summer school for my last year in undergrad.

Should I keep this up? I don't think that it's too late to be doing this and I have had a reputation of being lazy but smart, which in the long run will get me nowhere. What can I change or do? I'm already starting to realize I need to do SOMETHING but I'm lacking structure and can't even outline a plan.

Anonymous No. 16168257

And to top it all off I'm currently shit at programming, I've gotten by by outlining to chat gpt exactly what I want it to do step by step. So it's not that I don't know what to code, but I'm not fluent in any programming language.

Anonymous No. 16168321

It's not the gulag, but it's not where I want to be: I'm on the other side of the country from family (and the part of the country where I want to be settling down and starting a family of my own), in a contract position with little-or-no potential for advancement, at a school that's neither willing nor able to offer me any support or release for research or professional development (I don't qualify for course or service releases and I'm paying for all my research activities, conferences, travel costs, and even classroom demonstrations out-of-pocket).

None of this was an issue when I took the job - I had a post-doc position fall through at the last minute; I needed to find a job and the contract position was an acceptable short-term option that had already made me an offer. I figured if it was for just a couple of years on the way to something else I'd be fine with it; but then two years became three, became four, and now starting five.

It's been a very isolating few years - I've missed out on a lot of time with my brothers and their kids, haven't been able to maintain a relationship of my own, and between all of that and the constant ghosting from positions I've applied for it just feels like this position has become a doldrums. At this point I don't see that I have any option but to start considering work outside of the sciences entirely (finance, insurance, banking, etc.), a transition I anticipate would almost certainly end up being one-way.

Anonymous No. 16168382

Take them with you. It’s cheap

Anonymous No. 16168384

is there a career where the job description is simply running over glow in the dark niggers

Anonymous No. 16168392

Yes but we're not hiring unless you have 5 years experience of running over glowies

Anonymous No. 16168415

Can I email companies for "Unpaid-internship positions" ? As per the current's extremely competitive to land a job in cse without experiance. I recently finished my sophomore year and planning to mail few computer graphics startups for unpaid-intern roles to gain experience. Can it have any sort of negative impact on my career ? I have a great GitHub profile, lab experiance with computer vision professor, amazing LOR and

I know they won't entertain an inexperienced intern a lot but atleast I can try contributing to something I like and gain some experiance from it. Any piece of advice anons ?

Anonymous No. 16168507

yeah, go back in time 8 months are start applying for internships for the summer. why the fuck are you starting now

Anonymous No. 16168563

I am pretty sure fall internships do exist..but will applying for unpaid intern position have any sort of negative impact ?

Anonymous No. 16168743

>day 131 of unemployment
Wtf should I do bros? Just keep applying clearly isn't working.

Anonymous No. 16168766

Become an actuary I guess

Anonymous No. 16168840

Got a reply from FFI yet?

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Anonymous No. 16168963

Never take an unpaid internship. That basically says you are worth zero dollars and not even worth the cost of training you.

Anonymous No. 16169005

You're cooked pal, start applying to wendys

Anonymous No. 16169134

Just get both degrees

Anonymous No. 16169157

I turn 30 and haven't been working in anything tangible to mechanical engineering and now I'm stuck making 76k. How over is it for me?

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Anonymous No. 16169162

Do you ever achieve finite psychology?

Anonymous No. 16169278

Bruh I didn’t get my mech e degree till I was 35. Level the fuck up.

Anonymous No. 16169303

I can understand your frustration and I want to stress that a transition to non-academic work is far from trivial. You need to start applying ASAP.

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Anonymous No. 16169407

Really tired of being an unemployed math PhD

Anonymous No. 16169448

its not the age that really matters to me, i guess I neglected to say ive been employed at this place since i was probably 25. Feel totally outdated as an engineer. Kinda worries me about my job prospects.

Anonymous No. 16169525

Get your fucking PE. Get LEED certified. Holy shit the pipeline is not that hard. You could be making $200k a year if you weren’t retarded.

Anonymous No. 16169721

Is a PE really worth getting as a mech though? When I was in college, basically always got told its like not worth it as a mechE because nobody is hiring you to do mechanical engineering shit with a PE, PE is for EEs and Civies and AEs etc. Which I know I can do that shit. Just curious more than anything

Anonymous No. 16169753

tfw $200-230 without my PE but I should really get it since I want to change jobs and it's a line item on a resume thing
t. Chem e

Anonymous No. 16169759

OK, so there is still hope.
Any projects you have done that can be put on Github? And how are your skills in electronics?

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Anonymous No. 16169812

It’s worth getting period. Throw those letters next to your name on your LinkedIn account and watch the recruiters come drooling over your balls. Pic related.

I sit on ass in my WFH job and make almost 3x you do by putting ink to paper and saying “yeah I’ll get that package out” in a teams meeting a couple times a day. Like how are you fucking this up man? We rigged the system. It’s a legally defined profession. C’mon dude.

Anonymous No. 16169818

You chem e fuckers are weird where you either spend 20 years making 80k at a plant in the Midwest or you do something highball and get paid. I’m guessing you’re in defense.

Anonymous No. 16169844

It's worth it in general because it's a license that puts you above your peers, for some MechE jobs it's essential (HVAC/Refrigeration as an example). It's the same in EE, where it's an optional check in the box for most EEs and it's essential for Power. For CivilEs it's just essential period but there's really no reason to not get it unless you just don't want that responsibility of being an EOR.

Anonymous No. 16169868

I have definitely worked with those Midwest guys. Nothing is asked of em hardly but they show up everyday.
I'm in a niche subspecialty of process control...the job is wearing me down with the travel tho. Going to try applying at the majors like Exxon, shell, chevron and go from there. When I was an undergrad I got interviews and had prolly the highest gpa in my class but they all dinged me for not being president of extracurricular activities or other dumb shit.

Anonymous No. 16170206

I'm doing a BSc in geology right now, no idea how I'm going to do a job in it though.

Anonymous No. 16170294

>O&G guy

That checks out. Fractional distillation?

Anonymous No. 16170329

Okay. Check this out. In some states you can literally not do business as an engineering firm unless a certain number of the owners of the company are licensed PEs. My company made me an owner of its subsidiary because we can’t do business elsewhise. Shit is rigged dude. Get with the program.

Anonymous No. 16170334

The thing is, In current job market it's extremely competitive to gain paid internship(and I already got one in research position). The company I am applying for is pretty small, I am certain that I won't require much training because my research projects gave me way too much experiance than required for the job. I really need to put this company on my resume to boost my chances of working in industry...I personally don't care if the internship is paid or not, I am still a student and just want the experiance.

I thought that applying for an unpaid internship will give me more chances to get in rather than someone who is applying for a paid one. ( As per law, 2 months of "unpaid internship is possible")
For context it's a computer graphics company working on 3D deep learning (mixing neural networks with physics based simulations)

Anonymous No. 16170336

Something like what Siemens do..m

Anonymous No. 16170676

Maybe I'll do that first before getting a masters. Honestly I had been debating on going to school in the future to get a masters so i could pivot into controls engineering. Thought it was fascinating in college but didn't really get enough experience

Anonymous No. 16170776

>day 132 of unemployment

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Anonymous No. 16170813

I think it's kinda clear to me that I'm about to get passed over a management position because I have 6 years of experience and they're gonna hire someone from a different team with more career experience instead of me. Kind of total horseshit since my boss apparently went from "yeah something is opening up that's perfect for you" to apparently not even getting a fucking interview. I'm honestly more convinced that this hiring manager guy actually just fucking hates me. Never received a single negative comment about my job performance to date, yet all of the sudden seems that they've found a million things to bitch at and they're gonna go with seniority even though I know the candidates that applied do dogshit work.

Guess it probably doesn't really matter to me, I've been underpaid for years but comfy enough in a WFH position where I outperform everyone still. I was gonna move back in with my mom so it really won't be an issue but probably time to retrain myself to go into more interesting fields. I'm ashamed I even went through the hassle of trying to jump up the corporate ladder.

Anonymous No. 16170815

As info -- I was in the office last week for some meetings, and that's how I found out they were interviewing other candidates without even considering mine. I'll still keep an open mind I guess but they've had my resume for a few weeks by now and seems pretty obvious to me that they don't even wanna give me a shot kek. Sorry for blogging. shit fucking sucks.

Anonymous No. 16170833

I hope you are aware that "have more experience" means in reality "have been more places" and that in depth knowledge matters less?
I lost my job along with half the company in a big reorganisation more than 10 years ago. I have looked at where people ended up, and the pattern is unmistakable: those who had to move got into far better positions and those who stayed on remain in their old position. The moral of this tale is that
- it is healthy to move a bit (just not too often)
- people who staty on are soon taken for granted and stand still in position as well as salary.

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Anonymous No. 16170857

Jump ship for better pay.

Anonymous No. 16170860

yeah, definitely understand it. I'm probably gonna be looking to move on in 2025 since I"m wrapping up some personal life chapters. I still find the situation irritating, however. Sounds like they really shamelessly rugpulled me from the conversations behind closed doors I've found out about. But I can't say I'm gonna be too mad about it at the end of the day. I was planning on moving on one way or another, but they started dangling a promotion in front of me last year, and figured my experience at a previous gig + consistently top marks would have made me the natural shoe in. I think its those conversations behind closed doors that piss me off the most. It really sounds like they're inventing reasons to not hire me vs anything actually grounded in reality. I always kinda knew I worked for a soul sucking big engineering firm, but this was definitely a new low.

Thankfully, it won't be too hard for me to settle back into a quiet quitting routine and I'll just use my WFH downtime to pursue other endeavors. I think with some elbow grease it won't be hard for me to slide into a new position, but I'm definitely weaker on some of my engineering skills.

Guess this is just one part of growing up. I really didn't believe the "loyalty doesn't get you anywhere" recently, but guess I'm done kissing ass.

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Anonymous No. 16170950

>Chemistry degree
>Couldnt find a job
>Got addicted to drugs
Why didnt he just become the drug maker like in Breaking Bad?

Anonymous No. 16171072

How accurate is this description?
What percent of phd's fit into the described stereotype?

Anonymous No. 16171074

hobos lie a lot
never trust junkie

Anonymous No. 16171122

I got a job at a niche manufacturer with only 15 employees, but it's dope. Pay and working conditions are phenomenal and I have so much freedom. The owner personally doesn't want to grow his business too big and wants to stay a niche provider for bigger corps.

Anonymous No. 16171135

Do both. You already got the XP. Take the tests and get some homies to sign on off on your stuff. You’ll be licensed up in less than a year

Anonymous No. 16171151

My boss also bought me a 4k workstation when I started. It's dope bros.

Anonymous No. 16171160

>That checks out. Fractional distillation?
Kek. I love when stem NPCs just randomly throw out some term they've heard that is vaguely related to the topic in some very tangential way to show how they're "in the know."
>Ahhh yes, oil and gas guy, that checks out. Fractional distillation?
lmao. Not even bots are this unsophisticated.

Anonymous No. 16171186

Don’t be a jaded asshole. I was asking a sincere question you fucking dickhead.

Anonymous No. 16171203

Somebody from the inside of academia, please give me an honest response to this: >>16171072
I don't want to make another thread about that, even though it is important and big if true. Should I make a thread about that question?

Anonymous No. 16171208

He's correct in that good science is about observation, and that fresh graduates rely far too much on referring to existing work, but he overstates the point and goes too far the other way, basically trying to argue that innovation is made impossible by the peer review system, and that lack of peer review somehow makes observations inherently better or more truthful simply as a result of not being part of a consenting opinion. Which is rubbish. Agreeing with the prevailing opinion does not make you a poor researcher, nor does disagreeing with it make you a better one.

Yes, peer review makes it more difficult to make the case for new theories or new ideas, but that's the fucking point: If you want to change the status quo you have to have experimental or theoretical result that can stand up to harsh criticism; results so clear and ironclad that even supporters of the status quo have no choice but to say, "this is a significant result that everyone needs to see."

True, there are many researchers (too many, frankly) who play it safe, conducting research that does little to push boundaries and/or simply conforms to prevailing opinions for the sake of getting papers out, but that's more of an issue with those particular researchers or their collaborators, or the academic system's "publish or perish" mindset than with the actual peer review system.

Anonymous No. 16171210

Did not watch your video, but after doing a bachelor and masters, and being offered a PhD, I CANNOT imagine anything more pathetic, sad, and humiliating than going into academia.

Anonymous No. 16171212

>wants to travel less
>applies to an oil company
that's going to go really poorly, anon.

Anonymous No. 16171226

why's that?

Anonymous No. 16171236

It's all about groveling, most PhD students are shoe shine boys for professors, it's extremely corrupt, the working hours and pay are shit, everyone thinks very highly of themselves.

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Anonymous No. 16171239

> peer review makes it more difficult to make the case for new theories or new ideas, but that's the fucking point
It is the point indeed. Jesuits control academia for the safety of abrahamic narratives and probably only for that.

Anonymous No. 16171249

>How accurate is this description?
My PhD was in experimental, in solid state Physics. I don't think any of my fellow students (or myself) fit that description. Perhaps theoretical sciences are different.
He is right in that new stuff comes from the fringes, and it has been pointed out that advances in sciences happen one funeral at a time. Old big shots living on past glories might not leave room or funding for people taking new approaches. The "we don't do that around here"-approach is a common killer of new ideas, also outside academia.

Anonymous No. 16171258

I think it very much depends on your discipline and your advisor. I was an experimentalist and my doctoral advisor *strongly* stressed the importance of thinking for ourselves and challenging our (and our discipline's) preconceptions, but also took care to temper that with the understanding that many theoretical models and diagnostics and observations that stand the test of time and do become part of the status quo, do so because they're good models, good diagnostics, and sound/reproducible observations (not always, of course, but often).

Where PhD's are pretty sad is that the best of the lot are the ones who frequently get taken the most advantage of. The academic system basically expects good teachers and good researchers to be martyrs for "the cause" of higher education; taking shit pay and shit hours and shit from administrators and shit from students while the mediocre teachers and researchers game the system.

Anonymous No. 16171265

At a personal level I just find the whole system distasteful and don't want to be part of it again.

Anonymous No. 16171269

It makes perfect sense that peer-review is way less detrimental for the practical disciplines than for the theoretical ones.

Anonymous No. 16171277

Imagine being retroactively BTFO so hard by a shoebox bomb maker. Juden Peterstein finna tinkle and cry over this one.

Anonymous No. 16171287

can i buy some pot from you? preferably something with a milder, less schizophrenic high than whatever you're taking at the moment?

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Anonymous No. 16171298

Ever heard that academia was created by the catholic church. Why, right?

Anonymous No. 16171373

What's a good "I'm just here for a check" job for a physics PhD?

Anonymous No. 16171378

Physics BS new grad. Dont want to go to grad school. What should I do besides an hero?

Anonymous No. 16171381

finance - it's soulless shit, but low effort. the number of people in the field without even a basic understanding of calculus or modelling is astonishing

Anonymous No. 16171441

>I was an experimentalist and my doctoral advisor *strongly* stressed the importance of thinking for ourselves and challenging our (and our discipline's) preconceptions
I remember our founding professor gave us a demonstration on that back when I was an undergrad. We were put in groups and given a measuring tape and asked to measure the length of a desk. We all came up with different answers. We measured again, the differences remained, and equally mysteriously, were the same as the previous measurement each group did. As it turned out, the professor had given us prepared tapes, where the part near zero had been cut off! We learned a bit about assumptions that day.

Anonymous No. 16171444

>the number of people in the field without even a basic understanding of calculus or modelling is astonishing
That explains a lot.

Also management consulting an patent law.

Anonymous No. 16171480

We had a fun activity during my College Physics I course the first week (40,000 years ago when I was an undergraduate) - each group was given a set of identical plastic boxes containing known and different numbers of ball bearings. We were told to weigh them and plot the weight vs the number of marbles in each box, and then to predict the number of marbles in a sealed box with no number on it.

The data was, unsurprisingly, pretty linear, and from a first principles argument, you could reason that if all the boxes were the same and all of the ball bearings were the same, then there was some average mass of the boxes (the intercept of the data) and some average mass of the bearings (the slope). Everybody got great results (we were all within one or two bearings when we opened and counted them).

Then we were told to confirm the results by checking the mass of another box with a known number of bearings and determine if our model came up with an accurate prediction for the mass, and everybody was off by like ~200 grams. We checked our scales, checked our fits, and when we couldn't think of an explanation the class was told to open the boxes and found that each box also contained a much larger bearing with a much higher mass.

A good lesson on how modelling can be useful, and the motivation for the models we develop, but also the possibility of the model being wrong (or at least incomplete).

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My opinion and experience is that the people with the most balanced view of what to trust or not trust within literature are the people who have participated in writing and reviewing literature i.e. mostly academics. Anyone who tries to utilize existing literature to guide or compare their own research knows that it is far from infallible, not least because you can almost always find ideas or findings which are mutually incompatible. Anyone who's reviewed or tried to get past peer review in good journals knows that the reviews are certainly imperfect but should catch really bad science most of the time.

The intellectually lazy attitudes of "it's published so it must be true" or "all of these so-called papers are bogus, real knowledge is in the schizo discord groups" are mostly found among people who have never had to wade through the mire. I do not see how anyone with this level of understanding could possibly survive in academia long term.

There's some truth to the statement that radically new ideas often meet opposition from established names, however over time the good ideas tend to come out on top and this old guard-attitude is by no means limited to academia. It's also incorrect to say that academics would be inherently opposed to exciting new ideas, it's just that the process is a lot less clean than you might think based on the two sentences that were used to summarize years or decades of discourse in your history class.

I hate many things about academia but I also hate the sweeping statements from the peanut gallery who never tried to put their name behind their findings for the whole world to criticize.

Anonymous No. 16171501

Is it true that you need to put in 9001hr/wk in these roles, or can you just do your 40, get paid, and forget about it?

Anonymous No. 16171506

>Do not get a degree in chemistry or biology
He did not settle down for a blue collar job where his maths skills would be useful for his promotion, he didnt got into PhD, career course or second-degree programs.
This is his fault, lmao.
Unironically he can still use his knowledge to get some job such as warehouse, marketing or teletexting.

Anonymous No. 16171512

>academia was created by the catholic church
Catholic Church has hijacked the Roman philosophical education system*
Without Platonism and Aristotelianism, there is no "Catholic" education.

Anonymous No. 16171514

many towers and many trays. I don't spec these out anymore and haven't for years desu. I just hope the original designers weren't retards and put a thermocouple in the vapor space above each product draw tray. Such is life.

Anonymous No. 16171537

Depends on your experience and how much of a shit you give. Personally, I'd say I average 55 hours a week over the year, but that's doing 60-70 a week during the semester versus 20-25 a week during the breaks. I have triple the office hours of most of my colleagues, and I put a lot of overtime in developing lab activities and doing research stuff, etc.

But I also know some profs (who should, frankly, retire) that basically just show up for their lectures and then go home for the day.

Anonymous No. 16171560

Mechanical Engineering is the Captain Kirk degree

Anonymous No. 16171676

I keep reading these stories of engineers getting research positions so I don't know how true that is.
Academia seems like a waste of time desu. Join the military if you want to discover or build something new

Anonymous No. 16171699

I wish I had actual friends among peers and connections. Don't really have mentors either. It's really fucked me over that I have literally no one to ask about career stuff for example. Places like this could be great if it wasn't one person with an actual science career for every ten undergrads, twelve engineers and five schizophrenics.

Anonymous No. 16171742

You have to take some initiative, anon. Talk to your instructors outside of class, get involved in other activities in your department, get involved in research if you can, make an impression and you'll naturally develop those connections as a consequence.

I had three students ask for letters of recommendation last Fall: Two were students I've had in multiple classes, who come to office hours frequently, are active in SPS, one of them is doing research work with me. I was able to give them extremely good letters and help them to network with colleagues at other institutions because I know the students very well, I know their strengths as well as what they need to improve on, I know their personalities and where they'll be a good fit, etc.

The third student was someone I had only had in one class, missed half the lectures, didn't turn in a lot of assignments, never showed up to office hours, and barely squeaked by with a C- in my class. I made it clear to the student that he would be better off going to an instructor he had an actual connection with. But, he insisted (I suspect because he couldn't come up with anyone else to ask), and while, to my credit, I wrote him the best letter that I could, all I could really say was basically 'I'm writing to recommend anon to your program. He took this class with me this semester. He did okay. Yadda yadda yadda.' (I worded it a lot more eloquently, but that's the gist of it).

I'm sure it probably didn't do much to help him, but it was all he gave me to work with.

Anonymous No. 16171841

My nigger in Christ, I'm not an undergrad, I'm about to pivot out of a postdoc into a shitty industry job.

Anonymous No. 16171851

Unfortunate b. Hopefully there's someone competent with 15+ years experience at your job who isn't an autistic spaz who can give you advice.

That guy from the international No. 16171854

Free lab

Anonymous No. 16171863

A masters in Physics with CS bachelors and physics minor is possible ? Any tips on how should I spend my senior year for boosting my chances ? The only research lab where I can apply right now in my uni is a quantum computing one, but my plans are to get physics msc with specialisation in condensed matter....should I take the quantum computing position anons ?

Anonymous No. 16171864

Also adding-

Are their any jobs in software research industry which requires hardcore physics and maths in day to day work ?

Anonymous No. 16171869

>I’m a postdoc
You’re telling me you’ve gone through the last decade or so of your life and haven’t made a single professional connection? Not a single person you could ask for advice from? Not your doctoral advisor? None of your instructors? No one you relied on for a recommendation in the past? None of your coworkers? None of your graduate cohort? Nobody you met at a conference or a seminar? No one you can talk to?

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Anonymous No. 16171875

>Join the military
Not gonna die for Isreal

Anonymous No. 16171878

It sounds like you'd fit well in applying your work to genomics, there's still tons of bioinformatics work to be done there in academia/industry. You could also do proteomics but you will need mass spectrometry knowledge for that.

Anonymous No. 16171974

Explain why not a single "scientist" dared to openly oppose Graham Hancock's work until Joe Rogan organized such battle?

Anonymous No. 16171979

It's more sinister than that. Catholic church is the continuation of platonic school. The school which burnt books of their opponents, so not a single book of Democritus reached our times. I suspect Aristotle to have plagiarized one of Democritus's work, because "idealists" don't operate with logic, they prefer dialectics for the lack of a better word (because his writings don't scream logic to me) because Socrates taught not only pederasty, but monotheism as well, and it isn't clear for which of these he was commanded to kill himself.

Anonymous No. 16172100

>Places like this could be great if it wasn't one person with an actual science career for every ten undergrads, twelve engineers and five schizophrenics.
I think this is a really comfy general and indeed that is because there are plenty of people who can provide constructive advice based on genuine experience, all without virtue flagging which other sites are notorious for.

>I'm about to pivot out of a postdoc into a shitty industry job.
I did that. My field was obviously not playing out the way I had hoped so I didn't have any choice. I was late to proper networking including LinkedIn, but I hope you have polished up your profile. At the very least you need to link in with as many good connection you can as soon as possible. If you are named coinventor on patents you should also add those to your profile.
And life in industry isn't bad at all.

Anonymous No. 16172106

Probably. Didn't you ask also in >>16166711?

Anonymous No. 16172185

The fuck are you even talking about?

Anonymous No. 16172303

Why would a scientist waste time on that nonsense? There isn't incentive for it.

Barkon No. 16172306

Ey? What did I say?
These grains add up
If you owe a million years, you'll do a million years
Should of listened to gene Rays timecube

Anonymous No. 16172308

Dentistry. Basically free money on trees.

Anonymous No. 16172310

meds, now

Barkon No. 16172311

If you think you're not owing for those animals. You've got another thing coming. We wait for your solitude. So what - you'll do 400 years for me and jase alone. No profit. Beats 15 years and all knowledge possible.

Barkon No. 16172313

Fart in my mouf or

Anonymous No. 16172314

Place bets - chatbot or schizo

Anonymous No. 16172373

I know, right? I can elaborate. Basically yes I've met people and had connections, but most of those are now mostly gone and weren't replaced.

Undergrad was a lifetime ago and those connections died pretty much right away. PhD was in a small group within a larger "sub-department". The PI left, the group slowly dissipated away, the only ones to stay in academia went to China and the others went mostly to civil service. Within the sub-department connections were superficial and did not last, but were useful at the time and I got my postdoc through that, on a different continent.

Postdoc was in a very small group (PI + 2 postdocs + fluctuating masters/project students) in a small institute where everyone else is in very different fields (mostly biology, I'm a physicist by background). It's separated from the wider university physically and practically. So university connections are non-existent, institute connections are generally not professionally useful. The PI fucked me over and has zero interest in careers besides his own.

I've been to a total of two conferences, athough presenting at really big ones. During my PhD covid killed most of them and my postdoc has been less than two years and took time to ramp up. I found it really hard to make connections there, everyone is in their own bubble and nobody gives a shit about my work.

Part of the issue is that home, where I did my PhD and where I did my postdoc are all different countries so everything is very scattered. Recent connections are the most leverageable ones, but I've been in this weirdly isolated environment in a country I know nobody in for the last year and a half.

I have a LinkedIn, it's a bit cringe but at least has stuff. Probably should add way more connections. I hate that it matters.

Anonymous No. 16172377

Isn't America better in terms of carreer? EU is good, but I always hear that NA pays big bucks and has skilled labor oppurtunities no other countries offer.

But idc about that anymore, I just want to live happy and not be a wagie/student slave anymore.

Anonymous No. 16172385

>>16172185 (in the end he thank that indiana jones, saying that it was the first time ever that somebody from academia agreed to debate)
What is so nonsensical about his claims?
One of his arguments is that polynesians and southern americans share the dna northern americans do not have, thus they could travel between continents. And it's not a crazy assuption, considering that we only started to excavate the past. The professors's counter-argument, to which Hancock didn't find anything to respond, was that we do not find sunk ships from that era. Which could be explained by those ships being solid wood and thus they wouldn't sink. The other counterargument was that we didn't grow wheat because we dont's find silos with domesticated crop, but then he added that it takes wheat millenia to become domesticated, so maybe those civilizations were not millenia old.
Now you tell me what of what Hancock says you find the most nonsensical to the point of it not being worth of debate. I consider big bang theory nonsensical, but it's not like that will make them take that crap theory out of their textbooks.

Anonymous No. 16172387

>I always hear that NA pays big bucks and has skilled labor oppurtunities no other countries offer.
Yep. The pay multiplier between USA and EU is anywhere from 2x to 5x for high-skill jobs in technology, depending on which places you compare. And it's a massive country where everyone speaks English, meaning you don't get the Euro special of having to relocate to a random German village of 500 people where you'll be a weirdo just because that's the cheap place to build a factory.

🗑️ Barkon No. 16172389

-locks you-
-farts on you-

Anonymous No. 16172397

I was told to go into CS, because someone with a M. Sc. + B. Sc. in CS can pivot to Bioinfo positions with ease, if they brush up on a few courses intended for said position. What is the consensus there?

Anonymous No. 16172398

coprophilia is not something to be proud of, kiddo

Barkon No. 16172403

Nature heals herself. The waste we produce today will become the dark secret behind the meteor smash that brings about something higher then sapience.

Anonymous No. 16172411

>Evidence for Big Bang
>150 years of stellar and galactic spectral measurements indicating that distant objects are redshifted
>The reproducible observation that spectral shift is correlated to motion relative to an observer, with redshifting corresponding to motion away from an observer
>The reasonable conclusion that if everything is moving away from us - everything must have been closer together at some point in the distant past.

>Evidence for Ancient Hypercivilizations
>It just, like, feels right, you know?

Gee... I can't imagine why no one takes him seriously.

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Anonymous No. 16172420

>something higher then sapience
such as...
also since we're at it, here's my thank you for those who answered my question:
None of those are mainstream protocols. Why though?

Anonymous No. 16172426

>distant objects are redshifted
and it is the only factual thing in that theory, everything else is pretty much an interpretation, which, in spite of the scientific method, invented plenty of crutches and patches to fit the actual observations.
> It just, like, feels right
somehow you missed the dna part, but it's okay, don't sweat it, trust the science

Barkon No. 16172429

You can produce a simulation naturally, in which case the victory belongs to it. You can buy a simulation, in which case the victory belongs to you.

Anonymous No. 16172499

From my understanding, CS/ CE or Biotech can pivot to Bioinformatics, but it's easier to have both in your program from the get-go.

Anonymous No. 16172548

>everything is pretty much an interpretation
Atomic transitions in excited states of the same matter produce identical, identifiable spectral signatures. That's not an interpretation, that's an observable fact. One demonstrated in countless experiments since the late 19th century.

The spectra of most stars and galaxies whose distance can be independently confirmed through methods like parallax, standard candles, etc.) show spectral signatures corresponding to the same elements, but with the spectra being shifted and scaled. Objects that are very far away are almost exclusively redshifted, with the magnitude of this shift being positively correlated to object's distance away. Again, not an interpretation, an observable fact.

The shift of observed wavelengths of emitted light is correlated with relative motion. That's not an interpretation, that's an observable fact. One observed using the rotation of the Sun in the late 19th century (the difference in tangential velocity between opposite sides of the equator is enough to produce a tiny-but-detectible difference in H-alpha wavelengths), and demonstrated in reproducible laboratory experiments as early as 1900.

The "interpretation" is just combining these three objective observations:
>Excited matter produces identifiable spectral features.
>Spectra of stars exhibit the same spectral features, but shifted, with distant objects being exclusively redshifted, and the magnitude increasing with distance.
>Relative motion shifts observed wavelengths, with motion away from an observer causing redshift, and the magnitude increasing with velocity.
To make the rather obvious connection that things very far away from us are moving very quickly away from us, and that if everything everywhere is moving away from us, it had to have been closer together at some point in the past.

Anonymous No. 16172720

Is aerospace engineering or electrical engineering better for the defense industry?

Anonymous No. 16172781

EE and then work in avionics.

Anonymous No. 16172798

this. aerospace is arguably more applicable to defense specifically, but ee gives you more flexibility (you can still do defense, you'd just be working on different aspects of it).

Anonymous No. 16172870

Should I make the nuclear weapons or not? I kinda want to just keep making useless gizmos.

Anonymous No. 16172881

Would it look the same if not the distances were expanding, but the objects (including the observer) shrinking?
> the magnitude of this shift being positively correlated to object's distance
How do they measure the distances, again?

Anonymous No. 16172882

EE is very useful for defense

Anonymous No. 16172894

Probably aerospace but unless you're a diversity hire or the top of your class, enjoy being unemployed.

Anonymous No. 16172901

EE because if you burn out you can always go be a power chimp doing arc flash calcs for $180k a year

Anonymous No. 16173158

where the fuck are EEs doing arc flash calcs making 180k a year? christ.. I do more industrial automation but I'm starting to get into power. I just unironically enjoy working at a factory... working in an office or full time WFH sounds lonely and miserable.

Anonymous No. 16173159

>blue collar job where his maths skills would be useful for his promotion
Trade school takes a couple months at the least to complete depending on the discipline and costs money. Unions are competitive and you need someone to get in, especially in big cities.
>he didnt got into PhD
Those are also super competitive. Even grad programs at R2 universities are getting swamped with applications.
>career course or second-degree programs
Again, takes time and money.
>some job such as warehouse, marketing or teletexting
Agree with those.

Anonymous No. 16173164

Depends. Do you want to stay in agriculture? Are you willing to go to grad school? Gimme some rope here.

Anonymous No. 16173196

>the objects (including the observer) shrinking
explain how shrinking would cause a spectral redshift

>How do they measure the distances, again?
Parallax (measuring changes in apparent position) works for stars within ~300-350 lightyears.
Cepheid variable stars (a type of star whose luminosity is correlated with their pulse frequency) are good up to about I think a few million or tens of millions of lightyears.
Type IA supernovae (which are triggered by specific types of stars accreting matter and going above a specific mass/luminosity threshold) are good out to about 10 billion lightyears.

The correlation between redshift and distance holds up extremely well the ~10Mly-10Gly range ([math]R^2 \approx 0.98[/math] or something like that)

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Anonymous No. 16173203

I have two offers from companies. One is from a major engineering consulting and other is an OEM. The problem is I like having variety and being a consultant fits the bill however the OEM had offered me a LDP program which will probably help fast-track my career.

Are LDPs the similar to Grad schemes?

Anonymous No. 16173207

yea just go with the OEM. I can't comment on the LDP but sure maybe it'll help with softskills, and it might help what whatever you're trying to do career wise. Engineering firms can be a grind, and having to track billable hours blows.

Anonymous No. 16173218

Does Computational and Mathematical Finance Masters have good career prospects? I'm considering enrolling in one

Anonymous No. 16173233

I can go any route; ag was for stability and relationship to chem, bio, enviro. I'll go grad if I can get it covered / paid for / reimbursed through a program. I just want to get a quick turnaround; I can handle high workload as long as I'm guaranteed a roof over my head. Current issue is avoiding homelessness.
>Captcha: SX44XS

Anonymous No. 16173234

Ok so I have an idea, but dunno which route to take. All three lead to the same conclusion for me, but I'd like your input.

>EE + physics -> CE or optronics -> QC research
>CS -> SWE -> ML research
>Biotech or Neurology -> Bioinformatics -> BCI research

Which route would be most likely to reach its conclusion in a decent amount of time with minimal hiccups? Do you have any recommendations?

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Anonymous No. 16173310

>explain how shrinking would cause a spectral redshift
if expansion causes it, shrinking would to, because the movement is relatively the same, but the scenario of shrinking causes less fundamental paradoxes (such as expansion faster than speed of light, question "where does it expand?" and the absurd initial state, which doesn't even answer the question it was supposed to explain, "where did it all come from?", because the scenario of shrinking (caused by gravity or something) paints the initial state into isotropic cosmos being absolutely isotropic in the absolute past, so no philosophical insanity of "there was no time before the big bang" shit)

Anonymous No. 16173537

Quantum computing is good money and easy work. At least until the field collapses.

For a physics master from a CS background, you might be able to blag your way into a computational condensed matter post. But you'll have a lot to learn both on the physics and simulation sides.

Anonymous No. 16173542

>meme research via a meme route
>meme research
I would recommend not doing any of this unless you plan to be unemployed and unemployable in 15 years

Anonymous No. 16173643

It will get harder to get into British universities:
>The government is about to publish its review into the graduate visa, a two-year unsponsored work permit for overseas graduates of British universities. The review comes on the heels of other changes, including one implemented in January that prevents overseas postgraduate students on a taught course (such as a masters degree) from bringing spouses or children with them.
>Home secretary James Cleverly says this latest review is designed to ensure graduate visas are “not being abused”. But these changes, and the government’s rhetoric, create an unwelcoming atmosphere for international students. This goes against the UK’s values of openness and innovation, which have enabled our economy and society to thrive.
>Facing an increasingly hostile environment, the smartest students will look elsewhere for university places, notably the US, where they often receive more generous financial support for postgraduate degrees. Some international students are already turning away. According to Financial Times analysis of Universities and Colleges Admissions Service data, a third of UK universities saw fewer overseas non-EU applicants in 2023.

Anonymous No. 16173689

Graduate visas were absolutely being abused, I fail to see how this change is bad

Anonymous No. 16173697

Boo fucking hoo. They won't get green card seekers like we do over here. Don't want to hear a "STEM shortage!!" just so companies can refuse to hire domestics in favor of cheap pajeets

Anonymous No. 16173830

The un-answered question is, why fix the problem at teh visa side and not fix it at the other side such as fraudulent degree mills? Once the amended law comes into effect, the enforcement will depend on what side of that balance you made the fix.

I didn't think you could get eth equivalent of a green card in the UK. I was an overseas student there and had absolutely no chance of taking up employment along with my studies, and certainly not afterwards either. This was a while ago and I don't know when (if?) the rules were relaxed.
And in any case, pay after graduation would have been far lower in the UK than in other countries, so I am not sure who would want to abuse the system.

Anonymous No. 16174089

>meme research via meme route
Explain how EE, CE, and optronics are memes.
>meme research
I mean, if you're just working on LLMs, maybe. But that's not the idea, I have something else in mind.
Pharma? Hello?

Anonymous No. 16174096

why are industrial & systems (mfg as well) the only engineers to be well-adjusted individuals as a rule? Seems like half the MEs and almost all the EEs I meet are total spergs.

Anonymous No. 16174137

Managerial requirements.

Anonymous No. 16174159

I'd go with EE since it makes you more hirable outside the industry and doesn't warrant a master. Granted in the 10 years since I went to college for mechE for the same reason, bachelors in aerospace has become a lot more of a competitive offreing. I think 20 years ago, every aerospace degree at a bachelor level was a total fucking meme and you needed a masters. Times have changed

But anyways, EE is probably still worth doing unless you have a passion for aerospace. I don't know why your passion would be to work in the defense industry but more power to you

Anonymous No. 16174333

im going to be a senior aerospace engineering at a top state school in the fall
im wondering what my chances would be getting into the aerospace phd program at my school
my gpa is currently 3.8
i have no research experience but i am doing a research project next semester, and i hope to do another one the following semester.
i have no extracurriculars or internship/industry experience
ive just been floating the idea to myself and im wondering if its even possible at this point due to my lack of experience
for reference my school has listed their acceptance rate for engineering grad school is 10-15%

Anonymous No. 16174336

also what should i do from this point on to further my chances of getting in?

Anonymous No. 16174341

talk to a professor
consider doing a research internship or any kind of internship in the summer

Anonymous No. 16174351

next summer? it's a little late for this summer now right? because ive been applying and havent gotten anything
if i did it next summer would it affect my chances if i apply for fall 2025?

Anonymous No. 16174506

Is it bad if I submit a paper without the knowledge of co-authors?
I've worked on a project at a company I interned at a year ago. They've been kind enough to allow me access to all of my data and all the logs of my work done there, but we've completely lost contact since.

I just recently started working on it, and I made substantial improvements and it's almost ready to be published, I just have trouble reaching out to my past internship supervisors to tell them I'm going to submit. Is it right to put their names and submit without their knowledge? I definitely don't want to omit their names, because I dont want to fuck things up by breaking ethics conducts, I am new to publishing.

Anonymous No. 16174599

>Ok so I have an idea, but dunno which route to take. All three lead to the same conclusion for me, but I'd like your input.
What conclusion?
>>EE + physics -> CE or optronics -> QC research
QC, as in Quality Control? Or Quantum Communications? If the latter, it is very, very niche still and a lot of work could end up as classified.
>>CS -> SWE -> ML research
ML must be close to the top of the hype cycle, expect brutal competition.
>>Biotech or Neurology -> Bioinformatics -> BCI research
BCI is still niche but with Neuralink and similar effort by the rest of the big seven, this could lead to a lot of job opportunities.
>Which route would be most likely to reach its conclusion in a decent amount of time with minimal hiccups?
Do you mean getting a job, completing a PhD, starting a company or what? You leave things rather open.
>Do you have any recommendations?
BCI looks most interesting and has a lot of applications.

Anonymous No. 16174602

>why are industrial & systems (mfg as well) the only engineers to be well-adjusted individuals
Because they're not actual engineers, just normies that thought that advanced math and physics was too hard but still wanted the title. Hence why most EEs are spergs, spergs excel at advanced math and physics.

Anonymous No. 16174603

>What conclusion
A project, working towards a parent if things end up viable.
>Quality control or quantum communications?
The latter, technically scalable quantum computing in general.
>ML is brutal
Yeah I'd figure, but it's towards this niche application I'm working on.
>BCI could lead to a lot of job opportunities
Good, that's a good indicator.
>What conclusion?
Establishing an independent research firm through professional experience and capital derived from a professional network.
>Rec: BCI
I figured as much.

I left things open because it's likely the research I want to do will be TS if it gets anywhere, due to its intelligence implications.

Anonymous No. 16174604

>where the fuck are EEs doing arc flash calcs making 180k a year?
Well it requires years of experience and a PE to get that 180k a year and will also include other power disciplines (load flow, harmonic studies, protection and coordination, etc.) But being a power chimp is a good time, I get to charge a full day of work to what amounts to taking pictures, measurements, devices, and sticking them into some software.

Anonymous No. 16174620

mechanical engineering grad here. Been doing GIS shit for 5 years. How would I go about pivoting over to electrical engineering? I'm plenty math smarts, but kinda settled into a comfy position doing fuckall and my salary isn't keeping up. I kind of discovered I really liked electrical engineering shit in my last semester and I did all the circuit designs and microcontroller programming for my projects, but was a bit late to pivot into EE at that point.

Anonymous No. 16174641

I'm an automation engineer and I've been hardcore disillusioned by society. I'm thinking of doing freelance in an art related stuff. Considering my situation, it's not pure insanity to give it a go. I could make it a handful of years without worry unless the world ends, but I'm still absolutely terrified at the prospect. Could you make me shit my pants harder? I just need the shock to return to baseline.

Anonymous No. 16174667

It's the easiest career path and many people who fail out of ME or other options go to industrial..

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Anonymous No. 16174675

welp I'm taking some SKM training in a few months so here's to you buddy!

Anonymous No. 16174701

Yeah you're definitely not supposed to submit a paper without telling the co-authors. Their name is on it so they should be able to read it and give feedback if there's anything wrong, and sign off on it if it's all good.

If you submit without contacting co-authors well in advance and giving them a chance to give feedback there will almost certainly be trouble.

Anonymous No. 16174710

If I think machines are gross, should I not be a mechanical engineer?

I just hate looking at machines, the lubricant, the smell of the plastic, the unattractive injection molded parts with the little visible seams.

Like, I don't find my vacuum cleaner to be aesthetically pleasing. I don't find cars to be all that attractive.

I much prefer the abstract nature of math and pure physics.

Is this a sign I should not pursue Mechanical Engineering? Or are mechanical engineers basically looking at plans in CAD all day?

Anonymous No. 16174739

Hell yeah, Power is easily the best EE discipline. There's not a lot of new grads going into it and there's a huge retirement of Power EEs that has been happening since around 2022? So there's plenty of jobs there as long as you're getting experience.

Anonymous No. 16174789

Pajeets who want to move out of New Delhi. You're right though, UK pay is fucking abysmal.
And in the States yea it's just supposed to be a student visa and GTFO but of course there's pathways to staying: marriage, finding a job that will sponsor you, or grab a PhD and keep pushing the visa lottery and hoping for the best.

Anonymous No. 16174830

Just be an IE so you don't have to be right on top of the machines

Anonymous No. 16174916

Pursue cryptography. Decent, secure job market, well paying, almost pure math.

Anonymous No. 16174987

>I just have trouble reaching out to my past internship supervisors to tell them I'm going to submit.
wtf does that even mean? stop being retarded

Anonymous No. 16175101

I contacted them through different channels but got no response whatsoever from them, is what I meant.

Anonymous No. 16175194

That's a predicament. You attempted to reach out at least. You don't have their emails or something

Anonymous No. 16175556

The majority of QC researchers come from pure physics backgrounds, similar for optoelectronics but at least there EE and CE are legit paths, provided you choose the right modules/university. Optoelectronics is doing fine but there are a lot of questions about the future of QC and job stability.
Classic machine learning companies were spooked by chatgpt and management have since been pushing for LLMs as the solution to everything, suppressing and to the detriment of research. DeepMind (and other AI companies) have lost a lot of talented engineers and researchers due to this.
I guess ML isn't a bad choice if you can avoid that.
Pharma is a huge industry and is hugely competitive, doubly so for research. Ask any grad student or young pharma employee what they had to do to get and keep their position.

They're all valid options for you to make a career out of research but they all have red flags and dead-end pitfalls. You've picked some notorious branches of research so just be careful.

Anonymous No. 16175560

>gut european funding access for UK institutions
>make it harder to employ foreign researchers
>make it harder for employed foreign researchers to stay in the UK
This may stop the degree mills and third-worlders who use higher ed for an easy visa but it will hurt research at every level. No matter which university it is, the people who study and work there are majority not of British origin.

Anonymous No. 16175566

To add to this since I didn't touch on it. BCI does sound cool as shit and probably the most interesting as multidisciplinary research. The big question there is if you can find and get accepted into groups which work on that.

Anonymous No. 16175598

>there are a lot of questions about the future of QC and job stability
That's not too surprising because material science is still lagging, and there isn't much pressure to develop the technologies besides cryptanalysis.
>Classic machine learning companies were spooked by chatgpt and management have since been pushing for LLMs as the solution to everything, suppressing and to the detriment of research.
That's unfortunate. I really want nothing to do with LLMs, I'm more interested in live interpretive modeling systems for health outcomes in particular.
>Pharma is a huge industry and is hugely competitive, doubly so for research. Ask any grad student or young pharma employee what they had to do to get and keep their position.
I expect a lot of teeth gritting and desperate measures in that route. It's a good thing it's competitive, because that means the field is active and lively with stable actors investing into high value projects.
>They're all valid options for you to make a career out of research but they all have red flags and dead-end pitfalls. You've picked some notorious branches of research so just be careful.
And that's why I wanted a second opinion. I'm not sure which route here is optimal for achieving my desired end goals, as each has its pros and cons.
>The big question there is if you can find and get accepted into groups which work on that.
That's the hardest part. Startups seem the best option.

My current approach is to acquire necessary experience and education through decently established companies (not necessarily field leaders; those are too competitive for newbies) until I can either a) break into those higher level companies with a portfolio of decent research and products or b) shift into a startup and push research to advance the company towards success.