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Anonymous No. 16192128

Space Force edition

previous >>16189874

Anonymous No. 16192131

>>16192128
>Space Force
>not Spaceforce
AHHH SAVE ME THREAD AUTIST

Anonymous No. 16192132

>>16192128
Threadly reminder that starliner cost $5bil and crew dragon cost $3bil

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192134

Is the /pol/ import Trump OP enough justification for me to go back to making threads again or should I still wait it out for a bigger spergout to return? Also reminder that this faggot OP didnt know what the newfag filter was.

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>>16192076
Great rocket, but exceptionally awkward in how the core, the interstage, the upper stage, the payload, the payload fairings, and all of the boosters all arrived at SLC-17 separately and had to be pieced together on the pad. It was a minor miracle that they were able to launch this thing twelve times in 1998.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192139

>>16192134
Some of the Trump OPs are false flags. I made one just to make you mad, one time.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192145

>>16192139
I dont care about the OPs being of Trump. I care that the main person behind them doesnt even know the literal first thing about spaceflight. Unless you also faked not knowing what the newfag filter was pretending to be Trump OP then I still think its justified to bitch about these since if seems the real Trump OP made this bread

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Anonymous No. 16192148

>we wont ever go back to moon
>We wont ever set foot on mars
>We wont ever have a space station beyond LEO

Space bros... 50 years ago the stars were ours.. now that dream is broken, they told us to be on mars and beyond at this point... What went so wrong?...

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192150

>>16192148
Just post your scat folder already we know you want to

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Anonymous No. 16192151

Go away Doomers, we're taking to the stars.

Anonymous No. 16192152

>>16192151
>4 flights and not even LEO yet

Can we stop pretending starship is not a complete fraud?

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>>16192128

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>>16192152
Nope

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Anonymous No. 16192157

>>16192135
i think that's just a legacy of how old it is. titan iii and saturn v were the first american rockets to have dedicated assembly buildings afaik.

Anonymous No. 16192159

What if gypsies in space.

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Anonymous No. 16192160

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4g2Hlymwis
Clear doing translations again for the H3 press conference. Thank you Clear!

Anonymous No. 16192163

>>16192160
what were they groping

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192164

>>16192160
Why didnt you make the clear edition thread asshole, now we're stuck with a /pol/ import OP

Anonymous No. 16192165

>>16192156
*Explodes after stage separation*
Very impressive

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Anonymous No. 16192167

The enjoyment shall continue

Anonymous No. 16192170

>>16192167
Pure epic in unadulterated form if there was ever such a thing in real life and not just an online slang

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192173

>>16192164
unironic trump cheerleading is beneath even /pol/ at this point

Anonymous No. 16192177

>>16192128
Miss those years, when space was top priority

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Anonymous No. 16192191

we are so primitive when it comes to space travel man and it hurts to think about it

Anonymous No. 16192194

>>16192128
Space Farce?

Anonymous No. 16192196

>>16192152
>It hasn't met my arbitrary expectations therefore it's not real
grow up

Anonymous No. 16192203

>>16192152
anything that uses chemical propulsion in 2024 is fraudulent
at this point we should really have some type of exotic propulsion
the human race has failed

Anonymous No. 16192231

>>16192203
Well that's largely because the actual human race devotes almost all its resources towards financial trickery to make number go up, infinite free shit for the barely sentient inhabitants of earth who couldn't even invent a wheel and lining the pockets of military contractors for a giant military that does nothing except have all its equipment replaced every few decades, overthrow tin pot dictators and occupy shitholes at vast expense. Space gets literal pennies in comparison. If even 10% of the aforementioned had been spent on space technologies we would be cruising around the solar system on fusion rockets and shitposting from Titania. But unfortunately, here we are.

Anonymous No. 16192299

>>16192173
>t. Ivan

Anonymous No. 16192306

why are the multiple threads for no reason? is this a psyop or just reddit?

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Anonymous No. 16192362

>>16192128
stop posting politics you absolute faggot.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192366

>>16192128
this is like the fifth time you've posted this picture as OP?
curious

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16192402

this Trumpshit OP blows ass, I think forking again would be funny, somebody make that Clear thread they wanted to make
>>16192145
be less of a stupid nigger you schizo

Anonymous No. 16192416

>>16192402
Go shit up another board. Off with you.

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>>16192416

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Anonymous No. 16192441

/sfg/ approved games? Aside from KSP

Anonymous No. 16192457

>open thread
>it's just people complaining about OP image
you are all faggots and don't even work in aerospace. these threads always suck

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Anonymous No. 16192458

Say it with me boys: D E S I G N F L A W

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>>16192441
EVE if you like MS Excel
Elite Dangerous is aight
Haven’t played Starfield; have heard it’s just a boring Skyrim
Metroid Prime (great)
Starfox games are okay, personally I don’t think they’ve aged very well past the SNES & N64 era
Dead Space/Alien Isolation if you’re wearing your brown pants
FTL; my roommate played this on his phone all the time in college, said it’s an addicting micro-managing game w/ spaceship theme
Halo MCC (the original Bungie halo games are masterpieces)
Can’t say I know anything about No Man’s Sky, Star Citizen, or Outer Wilds—but these are popular options.
If you don’t give a shit about space-themed: Ocarina of Time, Battlefield 1, Skyrim, and Left 4 Dead (1 and 2, they come packaged together on Steam) keep me occupied. Just bought Xenoblade, sank about 3 hours into it so far.

Anonymous No. 16192462

>>16192148
>What went so wrong?...
The leaders of the country with the best engineering standards in the world redirected their space program to make each other money.
While computers and materials advanced, they did not. Now they're being totally eclipsed by a private company. We are so back.

Anonymous No. 16192465

>>16192191
It's changing so fast bro where are you, just keep watching

Anonymous No. 16192467

>>16192191
If we really wanted/needed to, we could use nuclear bombs for propulsion and comfortably have green-water control of the entire inner solar system from mercury to the asteroid belt

Anonymous No. 16192470

>>16192467
the problem is slowing down or getting back home

Anonymous No. 16192473

>>16192470
You slow down the same way you speed up. Nuclear pulse propulsion has sufficient delta/v to scoot around the inner solar system without issue, and has none of the thrust limitations of electrical propulsion methods with comparable specific impulse.

Anonymous No. 16192493

>>16192473
nuclear pulse propulsion is modest delta v at best. 400 seconds isp is optimistic. the numbers for the nerva program were fake which is why it was cancelled. They were all paper numbers. Actual performance was like hydromeme but with a big expensive reactor.

Anonymous No. 16192505

>>16192493
what does NERVA have to do with this

Anonymous No. 16192508

>>16192505
all nuclear propulsion operates on the same principles.

Anonymous No. 16192509

>>16192151
Chances that musk dies or is killed before he gets this to mars?

Anonymous No. 16192513

>>16192508
NTR ≠ fission pulse propulsion

Anonymous No. 16192515

>>16192509
Pretty high. But he's cultivated hundreds of zealots and made them managers at SpaceX

Anonymous No. 16192516

>>16192493
>nuclear pulse propulsion is modest delta v at best. 400 seconds isp is optimistic
lying rat

Anonymous No. 16192519

>>16192515
watch it all melt away when the big leader is gone. people will follow profits and spacex will become the devious monopoly leo provider. in 80 years they will be more manager than engineer like boing!

Anonymous No. 16192520

>>16192509
small, the goal is 5 years for cargo and within 10 years with humans (hopefully 7-8 years)

Anonymous No. 16192541

>>16192520
It he actually does this I'm dropping the pretext and becoming a South Africa style mercenary to defend Starbase

Anonymous No. 16192555

How to explain away the extremely small probability of abiogenesis. Apparently the probability of just a single dna molecule randomly assembling is small even if we consider all the planets in the observable universe.

Anonymous No. 16192561

>>16192555
All those calculations are wrong.
It's like trying to predict the weather a month into the future.

Anonymous No. 16192566

>>16192555
The fact that we’re here “explains it away”
Even if it’s an infinitesimally small probability it still happened at least once. God’s plan. Not impossible to imagine a chemical vat soup can somehow start self-replicating simple RNA or something

Anonymous No. 16192567

>>16192555
Is because we don't actually know the path self assembling molecules took to get to the examples we have.

Anonymous No. 16192570

>>16192508
>nuclear thermal
>nuclear electric
>nuclear pulse
These are in no way conparable

Anonymous No. 16192573

>>16192555
abiogenesis is extrememly commnon and happens perhaps an average of one every 10 suitable stars. mars has microorganisms. Even perhaps Mercury does. The chances of a planet having the perculiar eden like conditions of Earth for a long time, and then for whites to evolve is very very unlikely, basically impossible. Venus and Mars are examples which sustained earthlike habitability for a very short time.

Anonymous No. 16192581

>>16192570
NSWR is nuclear thermal too doebeit

Anonymous No. 16192601

>>16192555
>observable universe
That's the thing. What we can see is the small volume light has had time to travel through. It might be infinite, or at least incomprehensibly larger. Abiogenesis could be so rare that the next closest one is 900 trillion observable universe widths away, why not. Whatever is going on in this cloud, it clearly wasn't designed for life to play in

Anonymous No. 16192619

>>16192601
>it clearly wasn't designed for life to play in
It's just the "expert" difficulty setting, you start out on "tutorial" with a comfy terrestrial world fit just for you.

Anonymous No. 16192622

>>16192555
how do we explain the impossibly small probability of a universe popping into existence out of nowhere?

Anonymous No. 16192626

>>16192573
>abiogenesis is extrememly commnon
Even the most optimistic guesses peg it at happening exactly once in the history of earth. Where does this "common" garbage come from?

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>>16192627

Anonymous No. 16192631

>>16192627
makes me wonder why they didn't make stairs in the middle for the 1st tower

Anonymous No. 16192632

>>16192555
How about Reading Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins

Anonymous No. 16192633

>>16192626
source needed

Anonymous No. 16192639

>>16192633
>muh source!!!
Shut the fuck up retard you know its true

Anonymous No. 16192643

>>16192639
I've heard the opposite that it actually happened as quickly as it could have
which suggest it isn't rare at all
perhaps the environment where it happens is rare (certain type of star, certain type of planet, need a moon, not too far or near the galactic center etc) but the actual abiogenesis when you have the right environment isn't difficult as I remember it

Anonymous No. 16192648

>>16192643
Nta but this seems reasonable

Anonymous No. 16192652

>>16192643
They don't have an understanding of it at all. How exactly could they predict its frequency? They can't even make a cell in a lab without another living cell already doing the work. There is effectively no reason to believe abiogenesis one way or the other. As such, they can't say with which frequency it occurred as they have no idea of the initial conditions or elements of such. Rather, they tell you a story of what they want you to believe, grounded on nothing, and brimming with feeble materialist assumptions.

Anonymous No. 16192653

>Rocketlab still using Tim Dodd music
Nigger's getting paid paid

Anonymous No. 16192664

>>16192573
>mars has microorganisms
may we see them?

Anonymous No. 16192668

>>16192664
Sure if you go there.

Anonymous No. 16192669

>>16192668
Are the microorganisms on Mars right now?

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Anonymous No. 16192670

>>16192664
here

Anonymous No. 16192673

>>16192669
Sure, go check

Anonymous No. 16192674

>>16192664
It has macroorganisms.

Anonymous No. 16192677

>>16192670
looks like an oil leak

Anonymous No. 16192678

This is more of a philosophical question, but do you believe
a) every human doing an EVA on Mars should go through decon and purposefully try to minimize any spreading of life

or b) not give a fuck. No decon procedures. Let yeast and fungi and extremophile organisms naturally cover the planet, because humans are there anyways trying to build cities and industrialize it long-term anyways

Anonymous No. 16192682

>>16192678
Seed the Martian ice caps with dark microbes to accelerate melting.

Anonymous No. 16192690

>>16192678
Try to be as clean as possible until we've drilled enough cores and sampled enough areas to verify if life still exists on Mars (99.999% chance that if it does exist it will be unassuming lithophagic microbes) then stop bothering because it will be impossible to maintain 100% environmental isolation anyway.
The Martian Bug will learn to fear the Terran Eukaryote

Anonymous No. 16192691

>>16192678
b of course, a would be pointless anyway

Anonymous No. 16192692

Throw moldy bread on the bare Martian dirt.

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>>16192678
>every human doing an EVA on Mars should go through decon and purposefully try to minimize any spreading of life
can't be done, humans have too many commensal microbes. if you want pristine Mars then there can be no manned landings

Anonymous No. 16192696

>>16192678
TPPD

Anonymous No. 16192699

>>16192037
V-2: iconic bullet shape and fins are unmatched
Soyuz: iconic conical boosters and unfolding launch pad petals
Shuttle and Ariane 5: aerospace cathedrals
Pegasus + tri-engine jet: unique
stepped Saturn V and conical N-1
Proton: dig the six-fold symmetry and matte-silver engine pods

most modern rockets lack aesthetics, sadly. Too spare, just bare straight cylinders and fairing, no more fins. Even the side boosters are getting too stubby.

Anonymous No. 16192707

>>16192699
V-2 is some loony tunes stuff

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>>16192699

Anonymous No. 16192711

>>16192670
Oh neat, dirt

Anonymous No. 16192717

Did anyone read this article?
Ho Lee Shit
The Lunacy of Artemis
https://idlewords.com/2024/5/the_lunacy_of_artemis.htm

Anonymous No. 16192718

>>16192690
This is the way I see it. I want Mars colonized asap but I see an argument for needing to research it without contamination.
It’s really our only other Earth-analog terrestrial planet that we can research besides Venus, but that’s off-limits for practical reasons.

Anonymous No. 16192721

>>16192441
modded /ksp/
Gihren's Greed
Hardspace Shipbreaker
Outer Wilds
Star Wars: Empire at War: Gold Pack
Barotrauma
Subnautica
X-COM: Interceptor

Anonymous No. 16192722

>>16192441
trolling failed newspace companies on Linkedin

Anonymous No. 16192724

>>16192461
Xenoblade is good, 2 has the worst fucking bad anime plot I've ever seen but is also good, 3 is fantastic

Anonymous No. 16192727

>>16192493
Orion drive, not NERVA
nigger

Anonymous No. 16192734

>>16192722
kek

Anonymous No. 16192738

>>16192690
Who is drilling cores and why

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>>16192707
>V-2 is some loony tunes stuff
Problem, untermensch?

Anonymous No. 16192743

>>16192739
Your ubermensch lost.

Anonymous No. 16192744

>>16192717
This is stupid. The Artemis payload return budget is limited by Orion payload capacity, not Starship. Starship can bring 25 tons of payload to the lunar surface.

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>>16192739
Or the commie R-1

Anonymous No. 16192754

>>16192744
The same starship which can bring 150T to LEO but can really only do 35? WAKE UP

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Anonymous No. 16192755

hot stage ring was probably jettisoned on the previous flight as well
the shadow in the upper pictures are longer and have a hole with light
the lower pictures don't have that

https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1794185357799637361

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>>16192743

Anonymous No. 16192759

>>16192755
Fully and rapidly reusable but partially reusable and not actually rapidly reusable launch vehicle

Anonymous No. 16192763

>>16192759
150 tons to LEO for the cost of a F9 with the same turnaround would still be a game changer

Anonymous No. 16192764

hardware rich space stations

Anonymous No. 16192765

>>16192757
This guy went to work for people who beat the ubermensch :)

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>>16192707
The Soviets did some wacky looking things with the V-2 tech they snagged at the end of the war.

Anonymous No. 16192767

>>16192763
>150 tons to LEO

Elen already admited its only 40 T btw, even worse than a FH

Anonymous No. 16192768

newspace/commercial is going to save europe eventually

Anonymous No. 16192769

>>16192643
Even if you have the conditions, you still need about 100 proteins to spontaneously assemble themselves to make the simplest self replicating molecule. Lab conditions have spawned the proteins but it seems like the probability of a certain amount in one place scales exponentially downward.
It might work out that if every viable star had a copy of Earth with the same conditions for the same time, we would still be alone within the entire observable universe.

Anonymous No. 16192770

>>16192767
Well right now it's 0 tons to LEO because they're in the middle of inventing the thing, so we'll see.

Anonymous No. 16192772

>>16192769
you are forgetting geological timescales
even a few hundred million years is not really that much

Anonymous No. 16192775

>>16192770
its actually negative tons to leo because they hav a wide delta between what they SHOULD deliver (Artemis) and what they DO deliver (air)

Anonymous No. 16192777

>>16192738
me
I get paid to do it

Anonymous No. 16192779

>>16192769
wouldn't the fact that it happened on Earth mean it's at least somewhat common?

Anonymous No. 16192781

I don't get this whole "reusable staging rings" meme.

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Anonymous No. 16192782

>Technicians offload NASA’s largest planetary mission spacecraft, Europa Clipper, from a United States Air Force C-17 Globemaster III transport aircraft at the Launch and Landing Facility at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida on Thursday, May 23, 2024. Crews will prepare it for launch aboard a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket from Launch Complex 39A at the Florida spaceport, targeting liftoff in October. Europa Clipper will help determine if life-sustaining conditions exist below the surface of Jupiter’s fourth largest moon, Europa.
https://images.nasa.gov/details/KSC-20240523-PH-ILW01_0219

Anonymous No. 16192784

>>16192768
Europe is dead

Anonymous No. 16192785

>>16192772
The entire surface was not ideal conditions, certainly not for 100 million years. In any case, if 300 million planets in the galaxy had ideal conditions over 500 million sqkm each for 100 million years but the chances of life arising in a given sqkm over a year is 10^-27 then not only is the milky way empty, the nearest 100 galaxies are too. Whatever, wrong thread

Anonymous No. 16192790

>>16192754
not hard to calculate that the structural mass of the rocket is overweight, resulting in a LEO payload capacity of only 40-60 ton.
There's a pretty good thread on NSF about how NASA can "buy the partial rights to Starship" and get them to make a proper expendable version (non-stainless steel basically).

Anonymous No. 16192791

>>16192779
What? No, not at all. Are you retarded? That isn't how statistics works at all.

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>>16192739

Anonymous No. 16192800

Starbase Weekly is live NOW!

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Anonymous No. 16192801

If NASA wants to be successful again they need to go back to its christian roots

Anonymous No. 16192802

>nsf thinks starship is unlikely to fly until mid june at the earliest
what went wrong?

Anonymous No. 16192803

>>16192802
FAA investigation found something...

Anonymous No. 16192806

>>16192803
FAA found out about the preburner exhaust in the LOX tank

Anonymous No. 16192807

>>16192801
more like it's freemason roots. Or was it Nazi roots?

Anonymous No. 16192810

>>16192806
i think they found the ice in the raptor pipes and gave spacex an ultinatum: fix this or you will never fly again

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ACK!

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UUNMMMNGGGGGGHHHHH GOOOONNNNIIIIIINNNNNGGG I MUST SEE STARSHIP FLY NOWWWWWW SEXY ROGGETTTS MAKE ME SPLOOGE

Anonymous No. 16192832

>>16192831
perhaps in light of the recent failures caused by hastiness we should proceed more cautiously

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Anonymous No. 16192833

Thats gonna be the spot for the 2nd tower right?

Anonymous No. 16192835

>>16192832
We should launch MORE often to get more data and fix issues sooner

Anonymous No. 16192840

>>16192831
interstage RTLS spaceplane hostage ring flyback drone

Anonymous No. 16192847

>be me, 20
>good career but extremely bored and lonely
>really into space, but also into /k/
Should I enlist in the Space Force?

Anonymous No. 16192850

>>16192847
Fuck off with your redditor greentexts. Why dont you go join the army meatgrinder instead faggot.

Anonymous No. 16192853

>>16192850
You're a nigger. I was just asking for an opinion from some like minded people. Faggot.

Anonymous No. 16192855

>>16192847
>>16192853
>like minded people
>doing a greentext story
>talking positively about the military
fed recruiting op detected, go recruit on /k/ you glownigger tranny

Anonymous No. 16192856

>>16192847
the most productive thing you will do there is probably ordering new staplers for your office

Anonymous No. 16192857

>>16192853
there's an entire general full of military recruiters on /k/ you can suck off if you want, go away you fucking shill

Anonymous No. 16192858

>>16192853
Fuck joining anything, take the time you have and focus inwards on conquering loneliness and finding fulfilling hobbies.

Anonymous No. 16192859

>>16192847
I don't think you can directly enlist in the space force yet

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>>16192855
KEEEEEEEEEK HES RIGHT IT IS A RECRUITING OP NO WAY THE USSF IS THIS DESPERATE

Anonymous No. 16192861

>>16192859
You can, I talked to an air force recruiter
>>16192860
Apparently you have to pass an interview and get selected to join the space force so no, I don't think they are hurting for people.

Anonymous No. 16192863

Everyone report the glowniggers for advertising
>>16192861
Buy an ad you retarded fedfag

Anonymous No. 16192865

>>16192847
I would still respect someone for joining the navy/deploying on a submarine and just mentally larping like it’s a spaceship from time to time.
I would cringe at someone joining the space force to larp like they’re in starfleet or whatever.

Anonymous No. 16192866

>>16192861
it's not even that they're not hurting for people as much as that they're not very big to begin with. there was really no organizational need to split them off from the air force but the thinking was they could get around some retarded air force procurement regulations if they did.

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>>16192860
stupid frogposter
>>16192861
stupid fed

Anonymous No. 16192870

>>16192847
>good career
which career?

Anonymous No. 16192873

>>16192858
>fulfilling hobbies.
need examples. Following Starship development hasn't been that fullfilling desu.

Anonymous No. 16192874

>>16192870
Codemonkey software engineer.
It was fun for the first 2 years, now I just don't like it

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>>16192873
For myself, I enjoy camping. If you find a good site that you return to repeatedly you can build it up nice with a little shelter, a firepit and wind-blocking walls, etc. I don't know you though, what makes you feel satisfied/happy is probably not the exact same as for me.

Anonymous No. 16192888

>>16192807
all of the above

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>>16192883
Interesting I just bought a hammock the other day and then tested it out today in a forest. Might decide to spend a night in the forest.

Anonymous No. 16192920

>>16192896
I hope its one you can zip yourself up in, or you're liable to wake up with mosquito bites. You should definitely go out for a night though, bring a good book if you like.

Anonymous No. 16192928

>>16192861
>believing a single word out of a recruiter's mouth
>ever

Anonymous No. 16192955

Spaceflight implications of Elon Musk company thinking it's possible to compress random noise losslessly by 200x?

Anonymous No. 16192963

>>16192955
Source on them thinking that? Also protip: it's not possible, see kolmogorov complexitiy.

Anonymous No. 16192964

>>16192955
multilayer progressive haruhi folded data at 200 bits per bit

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>>16192833

Anonymous No. 16192976

>>16192955
He should watch that show adoptation of three body problem, I dont know what its about but I think its related to nuclear prupolsion

Anonymous No. 16192977

>>16192963
https://content.neuralink.com/compression-challenge/README.html
The challenge just seems to have 1 electrode.
Actually it's closer to possible given all 1024 electrodes since they're probably pretty correlated but still impossible given all the random noise.

Anonymous No. 16192981

Anything that potentially challenges the Standard Model is a very interesting experiment.

Wild that Germanium-76 takes 100 trillion times the age of the universe to decay, yet it is observable in a year in you have ~1 ton of it!

Anonymous No. 16192987

>>16192981
what

Anonymous No. 16192995

>>16192972
aren't taking any chances this time

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Anonymous No. 16192996

Can any mathfags explain why noise can't be losslesly compressed?

>>16192981
>Anything that potentially challenges the Standard Model is a very interesting experiment.
such as?

Wild that Germanium-76 takes 100 trillion times the age of the universe to decay, yet it is observable in a year in you have ~1 ton of it!
Must be pretty accurate measurement

Anonymous No. 16192999

>>16192972
19 vs 132 pilings (assuming the latter is symmetrical)

Anonymous No. 16193000

>>16192955
George Hotz should tackle this challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx2PVCAiGhQ

Anonymous No. 16193001

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1794436966915998060

Anonymous No. 16193002

>>16192870
CIA operator
>>16193001
Include a screenshot next time you dumb cunt

Anonymous No. 16193004

>>16193000
George is not delusional

Anonymous No. 16193005

>>16192767
the only people i see slinging the 40t number around are rabbid EDS sufferers, the actual "payload" capacity changes with every flight because they're fucking prototypes.

Anonymous No. 16193006

>>16193004
but Neuralink is.

Anonymous No. 16193016

>>16192996
Lossless compression relies on the statistical redundancy of the dataset. Noise, by definition, lacks statistical redundancy.

Anonymous No. 16193017

>>16193001
I just bought a Tesla, so not sure how this helps me. Also, spaceflight?

Anonymous No. 16193024

Anything that potentially challenges the Standard Model is a very interesting experiment.

Wild that Germanium-76 takes 100 trillion times the age of the universe to decay, yet it is observable in a year in you have ~1 ton of it!

!!

Anonymous No. 16193036

posting a political OP pic should be a disqualifying formatting error from now on
derails the discussion

Anonymous No. 16193039

>>16193024
can you tell me how many atoms of Germanium-76 are in a ton of Ge-76?

Anonymous No. 16193041

>>16193039
trick question, just like steel vs. feathers in 1ton/kg the ton is always the same mass/weight regardless of atomic makeup (chemical number)

Anonymous No. 16193042

>>16193041
shut the fuck up, how many goddamn atoms is it

Anonymous No. 16193043

>>16193041
aka 1 ton of atoms in 1 ton of Germanium-76

Anonymous No. 16193044

>>16193042
>>16193043

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>>16193042
>atoms
/sci/ is a plenum board gtfo

Anonymous No. 16193057

>>16193043
1 but it weighs 1 ton

Anonymous No. 16193062

interesting vid on fly-by-wire and NASA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPfrk6Q5CXI

Anonymous No. 16193071

>>16193005
"Flight 3 would be around 40 or 50 tons to orbit" - Elon Musk, April 6 2024
at first i thought it was funny when EDSDS suffers started accusing elon musk of having EDS but you guys really need to stop being so lazy

Anonymous No. 16193081

>>16193036
Agree. We also need to draft a /sfg/ constitution

Anonymous No. 16193089

820 tabs open in my browser. It's over.

Anonymous No. 16193090

>>16193089
it doesn't even start to be over until you hit 10k

Anonymous No. 16193095

>>16192847
close but quite feddie

Anonymous No. 16193105

>>16193081
this but unironically

Anonymous No. 16193109

>>16193105
Been planning to do it for a long while but cannot overcome my laziness. The constitution would essentially define what the OP has to look like, and says that we need to stage only after page 10 etc.

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Anonymous No. 16193125

>>16192955
I have an algorithm that does this but I won't tell you how it works

Anonymous No. 16193127

>>16192692
roundhouse kick martian dirt with a poopy boot

Anonymous No. 16193128

>>16192782
Why is the crew offloading that all white males? Sure hope NASA isn't being racist and sexist

Anonymous No. 16193134

>>16193109
1) A new thread should be created on page 10 to not spam /sci/ with multiple threads and to keep discussion concentrated in one thread.
2) The OP picture should be non-political and spaceflight related, bonus points if its relevant to a recent event, again to keep the discussion on topic.
3) The subject should be exactly as within the quotation marks "/sfg/ - Spaceflight General"
4) The text field should be short snippet of a subject related to the picture in the form "[subject matter] edition", then an empty line and then a link to the previous thread
5) The previous thread should have a link to the new one just created, announcing that a new thread was created with the text "Staging" and then multiple links on separate lines to make the link noticeable, the post with the link should also have a screenshot showing the page of the old thread so that no unnecessary drama is created due to early thread creation (early staging).

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Anonymous No. 16193139

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESteQrEQeAc
>Ship 29 and Booster 11 Readied for Starship Flight 4 | SpaceX Boca Chica

Anonymous No. 16193142

>>16193036
trigger'd

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>>16193139

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>>16193144

Anonymous No. 16193148

>>16193125
if the noise is truly random you can just pretend you compressed it and make new noise at the other end

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>>16193147

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>>16193149

Anonymous No. 16193156

>>16193134
number three is wrong

Anonymous No. 16193158

>>16193144
>>16193147
I bet these dickheads feel like idiots. fuck them.

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Anonymous No. 16193176

>>16193109
>>16193134
There is no obligation to be OP.
But if you must, at least keep the catalog open in another window and refresh it right before you hit the "post" button, since some other faggot is probably trying to start a new thread, and it's a pain in the ass when a second thread gets posted 90 seconds later.

Anonymous No. 16193178

>>16193134
number four is wrong

Anonymous No. 16193186

>>16193134
actually we stage as soon as we hit bump limit

Anonymous No. 16193188

>>16193186
it is required that the OP include either furry porn or anime

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16193194

Staging
>>>/trash/65980347
>>>/trash/65980347
>>>/trash/65980347

Anonymous No. 16193195

>>16193134
you mean '/sfg/-Space Flight General'

Anonymous No. 16193217

>>16193195
you need to format it like this:
/sfg/ - Space Flight General
alternatively:
/sfg/ - Space-Flight General
sometimes
/sfg/ - Space+Flight General, but only when Carmack has been mentioned and then you need to write "Open Source Edition" in the OP

Anonymous No. 16193240

>>16193144
>lets put enough suction pressure on this tile so that it's attachment is weakened to the point that it will definitely fall off during flight

Anonymous No. 16193262

>>16193134
>>16193176
Someone else has put to words the exact rules I follow when making threads? I remember starting the rule 5 practice a few months back with how much early staging went on and it did help with cutting back on that so I think its a good inclusion. Also with this many people bitching about the OP being bad Im going to go back to posting them whenever its page 10 then.

Anonymous No. 16193267

Spaceflight vs Space Flight
Solarvs Nuclear
Well vs Spin
SpaceX vs Blue Origin
What else

Anonymous No. 16193271

>>16193144
>>16193147
According to a guy I know, these retards are the problem. The attachment procedures are sound but these fucking beaner monkeys don't take the time to do it right and fuck it all up.

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Anonymous No. 16193274

Wouldn’t a super low latency sat net constellation (like Starlink) completely invalidate stealth aircraft?
Like you’d just look down and see when the planes take off, and then track them.
Communicate with a less than 50ms delay to the SAM system, and boom you’re done.

You might not even need ground radars at that point, which also helps protect your air defenses against SEAD.
I guess the real SEAD battleground will become LEO, given enough time.

Anonymous No. 16193276

>>16193274
yeah

Anonymous No. 16193277

>>16193274
UOOOOOOHHH SEXY TUMMY EROTIC

Anonymous No. 16193278

>>16193271
Be nicer to your fellow Americans.

Anonymous No. 16193281

>>16193262
fuck off nigger

Anonymous No. 16193282

>>16193274
>Clowds exist
>Satelites can be shot down
>planes can be transported in trucks

Anonymous No. 16193286

>>16193282
>Planes have to hide in clowds now.
plane sisters…

Anonymous No. 16193287

>>16193282
Ever heard of SAR?

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Anonymous No. 16193297

UUOOOHHH
SEGGS WITH STARLINER CHAN!!!

Anonymous No. 16193298

>>16193297
>not leaking helium
>no missing rcs thruster design
Yup rocketgirl niggers are posers.

Anonymous No. 16193303

The helium leak on starliner is a nothingburger, they should just launch anyway. The superior engineering of Boeing will bring those Astronauts home!

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Anonymous No. 16193305

>>16193297
oh, he drew more

Anonymous No. 16193306

>>16193303
yes they will come home, dead or alive

Anonymous No. 16193307

>>16193305
lmao

Anonymous No. 16193310

>>16193305
>he
>greentext meme with blue background
you mean (You) drew more. normalfags making fake 4chan memes would use red backgrounds. just come out and say that you post here sbarky its so god damn obvious

Anonymous No. 16193311

>>16193305
I look forward to the squeaky-voiced mayday call leaking

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Anonymous No. 16193315

https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1794486775777493248

Anonymous No. 16193323

>>16193315
>Did you miss it?
lol I immediately thought they were going to to a kingassripper parody

Anonymous No. 16193326

>>16193315
some people are saying that it was torn off instead of being jettisoned

Anonymous No. 16193339

>>16193326
that would make more sense to me. if you were going to jettison it intentionally the time to do it would be during one of the entry burn flips.

Anonymous No. 16193345

>>16193339
Youre all stupid faggots

Anonymous No. 16193347

>>16193339
Nta but from what I understand, SpaceX plan on keeping the ring on during the flip burn and jettison it only after for IFT-4.

Anonymous No. 16193348

>>16193310
Whoever this sbarky dude is I like them

Anonymous No. 16193359

>>16193348
When are you gonan release an IFT-4 one.

Anonymous No. 16193362

>>16193274
You'd still need to slap the optics of a spy satellite onto each of those to get the resolution to spot planes. That'd be expensive

>>16193287
that's basically radar and the planes are supposed to have a small radar cross section

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Anonymous No. 16193364

are there high quality photos of the interior of starliner anywhere?

Anonymous No. 16193377

>>16192154
I can't believe this is a real design proposal.

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Anonymous No. 16193387

>>16193262
>exact rules
how about this rule: gb2r

Anonymous No. 16193391

>As the commercial and military space sectors continue their rapid growth, the Space Force is planning to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to upgrade its launch facilities—and will consider expanding to other locations, a top general said May 21.
>“The United States’ current space launch infrastructure was designed in the 1970s and 1980s and pre-dates the Internet of Things (IoT),” SpaceWERX wrote in its solicitation. “While we’re currently able to meet national security space lift missions, our capacity to support public and private sector demand for access to space is falling behind.”
>One way upgraded IT and infrastructure could help, Garrant suggested, is by allowing personnel to supervise and launch rockets from opposite sides of the country. But there are plenty of technologies and upgrades to consider, he added.
>“It’s not just about fixing the technical debt of the existing infrastructure. It’s about building out the infrastructure,” he said.
>Space Force will soon start to collect more fees from commercial launch providers that use U.S. military spaceports, thanks to new authorities granted by Congress. Those funds will help fund more modernization efforts.
>Beyond just improving existing facilities, the service may soon start considering other locations too. A draft version of the 2025 National Defense Authorization Act released by the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee includes language directing the Chief of Space Operations to brief lawmakers by Dec. 1, 2024, on “the feasibility of launching NSSL missions out of space ranges not currently utilized by the United States Space Force for NSSL, such as Wallops Island, Virginia; Pacific Spaceport Complex, Alaska; and Spaceport America in New Mexico after 2025.”
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/ussf-upgrades-expansion-spaceports-launches/

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Anonymous No. 16193412

>>16193391
Wallops to be the site of the third Starship launchpad you heard it here first folks

Anonymous No. 16193417

>>16193401
Dudeliner (its a tranny)

Anonymous No. 16193426

>>16193412
Wallops is a fucking awful launch site, so no

Anonymous No. 16193429

>>16193417
I've got an idea. how about for the rest of the thread instead of posting about trannies, you post about spaceflight
I know I know but humor me, I think it could be the start of something

Anonymous No. 16193437

>>16193417
All I think about is girls with cocks and suckin em cocks. My brain is on tranny mode! I'm a tranny fiend! SEND ME GIRL COCKS TO FUCK AND SUCK

Anonymous No. 16193438

>>16193401
she's trying really hard not to leak!

Anonymous No. 16193440

>>16193437
thats very strange that you would publicly admit that in your reply to my post anon

Anonymous No. 16193445

>>16193440
On the contrary my dude! I am the post predictable poster on this whole site!!

Anonymous No. 16193447

>>16193438
I would gladly lap up her leakage ahaha

Anonymous No. 16193453

>>16193364
No, nothing about Starliner is high quality.

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Anonymous No. 16193454

May 19 #3 parachute failure on the Blue Origin NS-25 New Shepherd on its return to service.

Anonymous No. 16193456

>>16193454
don't need it

Anonymous No. 16193459

>>16193274
Why does it look so sexy?

Anonymous No. 16193463

>>16193454
>>16193456
Best chute is no chute.

Anonymous No. 16193466

>>16193463
what about poop chutes

Anonymous No. 16193469

>>16193466
Disgusting and inefficient. Astronauts will evolve away from the need to defecate.

Anonymous No. 16193470

>>16193469
are you implying that people will just piss out diarrhea

Anonymous No. 16193472

>>16193470
more mass for the piss locks

Anonymous No. 16193473

>>16193470
They would also evolve away from the need to urinate.

Once all necessary piss locks are filled, of course.

Anonymous No. 16193482

>>16193473
Then how the fuck will the body dispose of waste?? Sweating shit through your skin?? Vomiting diarrhea every so often??

Anonymous No. 16193485

>>16193362
>You'd still need to slap the optics of a spy satellite onto each of those to get the resolution to spot planes
Nah. Getting enough resolution to look at something and say "yeah that's a plane" isn't hard from the altitude Starlink runs at. You won't be able to read the tail number but roughly identifying the type of craft would be trivial. Given the number of sats you have to work with, the coverage area for each can be relatively small, which works in favor of reducing optic size even further.
With a computer able to ingest and correlate all the feeds, you could effectively track all air traffic not obscured by clouds by using similar methods to how astronomers look for asteroids and KBOs and whatnot. You wouldn't need more than a ~dozen pixels per plane to determine movement and position, though that would make type ID harder. I'd be tremendously disappointed if the DoD isn't trying to implement a program like this with Starshield.

Anonymous No. 16193492

>>16193401
>_<

Anonymous No. 16193493

>>16193482
perfect combustion, everything is reduced to either a pellet of sand or water and carbon dioxide

Anonymous No. 16193500

>>16193362
Stealth planes only have a small RCS from specific directions, usually head on. Would light up like a Christmas tree top down.

Anonymous No. 16193505

>>16193500
Incorrect. The stealth is most-aspect because actual aerospace engineers know that the air is a three dimensional space and they aren't trying to just handle a 2D plane of static radar installations.

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Anonymous No. 16193510

>>16193459
it looks like a girl tummy

Anonymous No. 16193525

>>16193492
Sometimes I miss AIM and Yahoo messenger

Anonymous No. 16193526

If you werent allowed to ever splooge as a condition of living in LEO/LLO would you take it?

Anonymous No. 16193534

>>16193526
Nobody "allows" me to do anything.

Anonymous No. 16193537

>>16193534
Answer the question fuckface

Anonymous No. 16193543

>>16193505
They are designed for specific threat profiles, like I said primarily head on for ground and air based radar. If you think that the top cross section is even remotely close to the front sections then I don't know what to tell you. IR will also pick them up from above easily.

Anonymous No. 16193545

>>16193543
The front gets extra attention, but low observable engineering has been done with all-aspect considerations since day one. "It's useless in X direction" is the domain of the uninformed, the incompetent, and cope lords.

Anonymous No. 16193550

>>16193526
my splooge is a significant factor in delta V calculations

Anonymous No. 16193555

>>16193545
It's not useless in X direction but the profile changes hugely retard.

Anonymous No. 16193556

>>16193526
Yeah, I have other and better ways of getting off

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Anonymous No. 16193559

>>16192739
They're so cool they don't look at their rockets

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>>16192441

Anonymous No. 16193566

>>16193559
SOMEONE ACTIVATE THE ROCKET QUICKLY WHOLE HES INFRONT OF IT

Anonymous No. 16193570

S29 is now infront of the chopsticks so maybe they put in the FTS soon?

Anonymous No. 16193634

>>16193570
WDR then destack for the FTS

Anonymous No. 16193639

>>16192847
>20
>really good career
highly unlikely

Anonymous No. 16193640

>>16193550
How much propellant do you have stored (in your balls)?

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>>16193500
not sure about that. Maybe if the radar was direction below or above.

Anonymous No. 16193701

>>16193696
Why are planes and rockets symmetrical? Lazy engineers?

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Anonymous No. 16193705

>>16193459
It looks like the scales of an animal
>Captcha: M0MAH

Anonymous No. 16193739

>>16193440
he was simply mirroring your behaviour, tranny obsessor.

you can hate trannies and not obsess over them every two minutes, btw.
idk where this notion came from that you have to call anyone and everything a tranny at all times in order to be considered a true tranny hater.

Anonymous No. 16193759

>>16193696
can you post an F-35 belly please

Anonymous No. 16193764

>>16193696
the f22 is such a sexy aircraft ngl

Anonymous No. 16193782

>>16193310
I downloaded that picture from twitter. Calm down, schizo.

Anonymous No. 16193811

Anyone here?

Anonymous No. 16193829

>>16193811
Space is closed due to excessive curvature.

Anonymous No. 16193853

https://x.com/arjunkhemani/status/1794324331373490541

Reminder, humans will colonize outer space and become multiplanetary species. God demands it.

Anonymous No. 16193854

>>16193274
in theory, but you would need KH-11 level satellites in Starlink level quantities
which is something only US can afford right now (maybe)
China is almost certainly developing system like that, but it probably won't be ready in time for the invasion

Anonymous No. 16193884

>>16193274
Not just that, but LEO sats with lasers give a clear precise position to missiles.

Further if they have a powerful enough lasers (~100kw) thats fired for ~10 secs, it should be able to destroy any jets/missiles near outer space. 100KW x 10 seconds = 1 million joules of energy poured into a metal over 10 sec or ~100K joules/sec. With 50% efficiency, thats 50K joules/second. Or ~100K degree celsius of temp heating up any metal/carbon composites.

Anonymous No. 16193906

>>16193555
It still won't light up like a commercial jet on SAR.

Anonymous No. 16193920

>>16192461
Starfield is ok, but it's barely a space game.

Anonymous No. 16193942

>>16193920
>Starfield is ok
Yeah that's a lie.

Anonymous No. 16193953

>>16193884
>powerful enough lasers (~100kw)
Imagine the radiators on something like that lol

Anonymous No. 16193978

>>16193953
If the laser sats are in low enough orbit, orbital drag will dissipate the heat. The thin atmosphere combined with giant radiator. Hell, you can even network swarm of sats that work together to function together.

imagine a single central laser weapon sat that has large enough radiator, but no power source (solar panel). accompanied by a fleet of 5-6 lasers whose sole job is to generate solar power and transmit laser power to the central laser wep sat.

Anonymous No. 16193986

>>16193884
Current laser defense systems are around 300kW and even those have limitations, they can burn through drones but they're not dumping power fast enough into targets to take out larger or fast missiles.

And that's at shorter ranges. If you fire them from satellites you'll have issues with dispersion, atmospheric perturbations and simply keeping a good aim on the targets while moving at high relative speeds.
We're talking about hitting coin-sized spots from 400km while moving at 7km/s.

>>16193953
You could have a thermal soak and radiate it slowly afterwards. It's not like would fire continuously, in LEO they'd only be over the target site for a short time anyway.

Anonymous No. 16193989

>>16193978
That's just retarded.

And PV has efficiency losses. If you beam a megawatt of light onto a central satellite you'd have to shed a lot of heat just from collecting it. Mirrors would have less loss, but you don't need those either. Just aim the 6 lasers jointly on the same target without the intermediate step.

Anonymous No. 16193990

>>16193986
>Current laser defense systems are around 300kW
>they can burn through drones
I think you added a zero there. The drone killing lasers are sub 50kw lasers that work in the atmospheric conditions. Usually ~10kw-50kw power range.

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Anonymous No. 16193994

>>16193990
Yeah, sorry, I was mixing up categories. For mortars and artillery and missiles you want those 300kW

Anonymous No. 16193999

>>16193994
The ones on the navy are experimenting with ~100kw and possibly hoping for 300+kw. But the effective use case of all the mortal/missile destroyers right now are ~sub 100kw afaik. 300KW is just experimental push towards more range as they're trying to adjust ship power with it

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Anonymous No. 16194001

>>16193854
Read the 2023 Space Force report, they already can temporarily blind KH-11s. The real question is how they can handle our new proliferated LEO architecture without straight up detonating nukes in orbit.

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Anonymous No. 16194005

>>16193978
>If the laser sats are in low enough orbit, orbital drag will dissipate the heat. The thin atmosphere combined with giant radiator.

Anonymous No. 16194015

>>16194001
>The real question is how they can handle our new proliferated LEO architecture without straight up detonating nukes in orbit.
By hurling a few bags of tungsten ball bearings into orbit.

Anonymous No. 16194017

>>16194001
China's launching tons of sats to LEO and others too, compared to every other nation/organization (except for SpaceX). SpaceX is an absolute outliar.

Anonymous No. 16194018

>>16194015
have you considered that your proposal is easily countered by this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere-breathing_electric_propulsion
just be below the ball bearings

Anonymous No. 16194027

>>16194018
>concept and design phase
I wouldn't bet my infrastructure on that just yet. Plus even if it does work it would make things more expensive.
And lowering their orbit also makes them easier to shoot down.

Anonymous No. 16194032

>>16194027
>lowering their orbit makes them easier to shoot down
only true when you're starting from a blank-slate design process on your ASAT missile, and Russia cannot design new weapons
their current weapons are sufficient for the task already, so going lower has zero effect on that

Anonymous No. 16194047

>>16194032
If they can use cheaper missiles to shoot them down that's not an improvement for the sats.
Making them more expensive and carry less payload is not an improvement.
Increasing their visibility due to constrained orientation and constant thruster firing is not an improvement.

It's a countermeasure with drawbacks. So yes, a few bags of ball bearings do mean a massive impediment. Though of course it's denial for both sides. But if the deployed capabilities are asymmetrical then the one with fewer assets in space will be tempted to just salt the earth for everyone.

Anonymous No. 16194049

>>16194047
there is no cheaper missile though, Russia only has a small handful of ASAT capable missiles
you can fucking look at what exists, this tradeoff is no longer real now that they've developed the big missile

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Anonymous No. 16194050

Florida is burning...

Anonymous No. 16194051

>>16194049
You're only responding to a single point instead of looking at the whole point I'm making.

Anonymous No. 16194055

>>16194051
your argument falls apart without that single point, idiot
>>16194050
that happens from time to time

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Anonymous No. 16194125

>>16192717
Yeah, we discussed it thoroughly in a previous thread

Anonymous No. 16194134

>>16192779
By a similar argument people with your name, age, address, SSN, height, weight and insatiable lust for gay sex are also extremely common.

Anonymous No. 16194136

>>16192802
>what went wrong?
you listened to NSF

Anonymous No. 16194156

>>16193148
Unless.... a second channel exists?!

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Anonymous No. 16194164

>>16194156
not my problem

Anonymous No. 16194168

>>16193274
How many satellites would you need to image everything the size of an airplane on the whole surface of the earth, with enough resolution to see that they are planes?

Also, how does your gay system work at night, which is when stealth aircraft are deployed? Will you put spotlights on the satellites? How about weather? Just seed all the clouds on Earth all the time?

In conclusion may Elon have mercy on your soul because I know I won't.

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Anonymous No. 16194225

Update: We ain't going nowhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6Z291U4W8

Anonymous No. 16194233

>>16194225
America has fallen

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Anonymous No. 16194287

Happy memorial day eve! spend time with your family at the bbq, take the quads out to the lake, spend an evening at the roadhouse, and kick back at the cabin!

Anonymous No. 16194301

>>16194225
Is this your channel, anon?

Anonymous No. 16194343

>>16194225
>SpaceX is will delay Artemis by two years
Explain yourselves, Elon Stans.

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Anonymous No. 16194347

>>16194277

Anonymous No. 16194356

IFT-4 Waiting Room Edition

Anonymous No. 16194376

Let's be very honest again, we don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle. Falcon 9 Heavy may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. SLS is real. You've seen it down at Michoud. We're building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at Stennis... I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.

Anonymous No. 16194380

>>16194376
>It's not that easy in rocketry.
It was true in this case

Anonymous No. 16194388

>>16194225
>Artemis ground systems at kennedy space center used the old LH2 sphere for their mobile launcher cryogenic prop transfer test rather than the new one.
>The next test will involve a transfer of LH2 from the old sphere to the new one.
>The solar-electric propulsion thrusters needed for gateway modules needed for Artemis 4 (HALO & PPE modules) are currently undergoing testing.
>critical design review for PPE module happened in march this year.
>HALO module structure was completed in Italy last year, currently undergoing testing, after which it will be delivered to arizona in the latter half of this year.
>PPE & HALO are launching together as a co-manifested vehicle on an expendable falcon heavy. Launch date still to be announced, projected in 2026.
>Senate appropriations committee had budgetary hearing, sen. Nelson said Artemis 2 will start to be stacked this summer, core stage to be done this fall.
>Nelson also said that dates are dependant on spacex in response to asking about confidence of Artemis 3 projections.
>Nelson specifically mentioned "if we land", Mike Sarafin, Artemis 3 mission manager elaborated that Artemis may choose to offramp if lunar landing looks nonviable (what he means exactly by offramp is unclear).
>September 2026 for Artemis 3 will be challenging, both for SpaceX and for Nasa.
>Head of exploration systems mission directorate says that the Artemis 3 target date was aligned with Artemis 2.
>NASA has always planned for Artemis 3 to come one year after Artemis 2.
>Both Starship and the SLS+Orion are wildcards, either could have delays depending on future tests.
>Obvious alternative to a lunar landing, gateway, is also delayed.
>Gateway seems on track to launch in late 2026, which would be too late to support Artemis 3 in 2027, since gateway must take a one year transit to enter NRHO.

Anonymous No. 16194391

>>16194388
>Artemis 3 could be possible sooner if SLS could do away with second stage and have orion launch on core stage and dock with starship in orbit. Unclear how long the technical analysis for this would take.
>If NASA wants to launch Artemis 3 a year after Artemis 2, they probably need to announce the flight crew for Artemis 3 before Artemis 2 flies, since training for Artemis 2 began over a year(~18 months) before it was scheduled to launch.
>SpaceX is focused on reusability for IFT 4, won't attempt to restart engine in orbit. NASA is probably trying to calculate what they can do with Artemis in 2027 if starship isn't ready by then.

Anonymous No. 16194392

>>16194225
OH NONO ameribros Chinas going first this time... 80% of the world think apollo 11 was fake, so for the general public the first moon landing will be chinese

Anonymous No. 16194395

>>16194380
The give Bolden some credit, that quote was from 2014 and Falcon Heavy had such a difficult road getting to it's first launch in 2018 that Elon repeatedly considered canceling it. The only other common-core launch vehicles in service were the Delta IV Heavy and Angara A5, and neither of those had easy development cycles. The Atlas V Heavy never happened and the Vulcan Heavy almost certainly never will. Common core designs look like they'd be cheap and simple but they never seem to work out that way.

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Anonymous No. 16194432

Ship do be lifting doe fr fr no cap on jah

Anonymous No. 16194482

>>16194388
>>16194391
Why is NASA putting up with this?

Anonymous No. 16194486

>>16194391
Lol just launch on Dragon if we're docking in LEO

Anonymous No. 16194496

>>16194482
They answer to Biden now, meaning completely unaccountable. When Trump is back heads will roll

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Anonymous No. 16194502

>>16194496
Shut the fuck up you stupid /pol/ import nigger why dont you tell me what picrel is.

Anonymous No. 16194508

Politics is not spaceflight.

Anonymous No. 16194512

>>16194502
Rocket equation, seethe

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Anonymous No. 16194515

Without politics, there can be no space

Anonymous No. 16194516

>>16194482
because it's the law

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>>16194515

Anonymous No. 16194525

>>16194515
kek, this image has to be fake.

Anonymous No. 16194528

>>16194525
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/photo-captures-mike-pence-ignores-nasa-s-do-not-touch-n780576

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Anonymous No. 16194533

>>16194525
7 years ago,how time flies

Anonymous No. 16194536

>>16194525
Hypernewfag

Anonymous No. 16194544

>>16194482
smallminded porkbarreling senators instead of men with vision holding the budget strings

Anonymous No. 16194545

>>16194544
How about I pork your barrel

Anonymous No. 16194564

v. porked, pork·ing, porks
v.intr.
Vulgar Slang
To engage in sexual intercourse with (another). Used especially of a man.

Anonymous No. 16194565

>>16192441
Redout if you can get behind unrealistic hover racing. The Neptune tracks are something special. Moon and Mars are also neat. I like that they built those tracks around the different gravity levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z55LhXQ9d7Q
I'm conflicted on the sequel.

Anonymous No. 16194570

>>16194508
Politics is to spaceflight what natural selection is to human beings.

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Anonymous No. 16194572

>>16194347
>>16194277

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Anonymous No. 16194583

>>16194391
>if SLS could
if monkeys could fly out my butt

Anonymous No. 16194587

>>16194536
Buddy ive been here for a decade and never seen the meme

Anonymous No. 16194590

>>16194587
Sure you have

Anonymous No. 16194598

>>16194590
I'm the anon who posts the spaceforce OPs

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Anonymous No. 16194600

How did fungus evolve on Mars? Is this evidence of panspermia?

How would we know if life on Earth did not arise via abiogenesis?

Anonymous No. 16194604

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkW2OJm_E5E
Thoughts?

Anonymous No. 16194606

>>16194600
there is no fungus on mars, you're a retard.

Anonymous No. 16194614

>>16194606
shill.

Anonymous No. 16194621

>>16194604
Don't care and I think we should drop spent stages on Russia.

Anonymous No. 16194653

>>16194600
> How would we know if life on Earth did not arise via abiogenesis?
We don't know that, but it seems like the most likely explanation? To be frank we still haven't even obtained great results from lab experiments about the origin of neuclobases from inorganic compounds. Also the shortest
self-replicating RNA molecule which we
ever synthesized is 165 bases long.

Anonymous No. 16194660

>>16194587
/sfg/ is 5 years old newfag

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Anonymous No. 16194687

>>16194606
please refer to
>>16194600

Anonymous No. 16194688

>>16194660
Kek and he willingly posted >>16194598 like we wouldnt remember his last pant shitting meltdown when he couldnt even answer what the newfag filter was. Political OPs are so fucking cancerous, both the thread and its poster.

Anonymous No. 16194695

Proxima b may support life under an ice shell thin enough for partial sunlight to penetrate.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ace9b6

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>>16194606

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Anonymous No. 16194698

>>16194606
>there is no fungus on mars, you're a retard.

Anonymous No. 16194728

>>16194687
>>16194696
This tweet is, in every sense of the word, fake.

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Anonymous No. 16194733

>>16194695
> le possible life on le red dwarf planet

Anonymous No. 16194737

>>16194695
>good_fellas_pop_sci_mindmush.jpg

Anonymous No. 16194739

>>16194733
Oh you did it for me >>16194737 I didnt realize ty xir.

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Anonymous No. 16194776

>>16194696
Are there muffins on mars?

Anonymous No. 16194803

>>16194776
How do you stop it from floating into one of the surfaces inside and sticking there?

Anonymous No. 16194805

>>16194803
trust the science

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Anonymous No. 16194817

>>16194376
We don't have a publicly available super heavy lift vehicle. Starship is real. Starship has, and you've seen 'em down at Boca Chica. We're building the zero, we're building the stage zero and boosters. Uh, we have all the engines already done ready to be put on the test stand at McGregor. Um, but I don't see any hardware for a Space Launch System ex-except that NASA's gonna take four engines, four museum pieces and put 'em together with a leaky hydrogen tank in a hurricane and that becomes the System. It's not that easy in rocketry.

Anonymous No. 16194834

>>16194803
since there's no gravity, the heat has no choice but to radiate its convection away from the heat source, so the muffin is forced to the center and held in place by opposing forces

Anonymous No. 16194837

>>16194168
>How many satellites for every airplane on earth.
Quite a bit.
But you’d only need enough for a couple hundred military craft, maybe even a few dozen, depending on the country and what you’re looking to target.
>Night
Optics can work in low light environments.
>Weather
Unreliable.

Idk you’re kind of getting strawman-y.
Do better.

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Anonymous No. 16194838

Zubrin

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Anonymous No. 16194846

>>16194776
of course

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Anonymous No. 16194853

>>16194838
https://vocaroo.com/1iQPDDM2u3NP

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Anonymous No. 16194854

>>16194776
yes

Anonymous No. 16194859

Does anyone else remember when they baked cookies on the iss?

Anonymous No. 16194860

>>16194853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaQCuhS8-Y

Anonymous No. 16194862

>>16194728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W5YtHUeGoI

Anonymous No. 16194880

>>16194512
>>16194502
>>16194496
YWNBAW

Anonymous No. 16194882

>>16194803
fans

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Anonymous No. 16194894

>>16194880
Already am one. Mad?

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Anonymous No. 16194897

>>16194894
no (yes)

Anonymous No. 16194902

>>16194894
please be in london

Anonymous No. 16194913

>>16194803
You're thinking of LEO gravity well effect. In actual zero g, everything should be static. With LEO, there maybe some strange/partial effects

Anonymous No. 16194918

>>16194803
Easiest would just to run a thin wire through your muffin balls and tie them taut to the oven walls.

Anonymous No. 16194920

>>16194913
where do we need to go for actual 0g? intergalactic space?

Anonymous No. 16194923

>>16194920
Outside of GEO, you have very little. In the interstellar space, outside of our solar system, there's very little pull. Outside of galaxies, etc.

Anonymous No. 16194926

>>16194923
and then i'll be able to eat my muffin?

Anonymous No. 16194927

>>16194926
No, you'll be dead

Anonymous No. 16194938

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ANTNKTJ0s

Anonymous No. 16194951

>>16194894
gay guy alert
gay guy alert
there is a gay guy

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Anonymous No. 16194975

i miss korou soyuz

Anonymous No. 16194976

>>16194913
You wouldn't be able to zero out the muffin's motion relative to the space station though, even in 0g.

Anonymous No. 16194978

>>16194976
what if we had inertial confinement lasers

Anonymous No. 16194992

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAujF85aLC4

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Anonymous No. 16194993

>>16192626
>at happening exactly once in the history of earth
sounds like retarddit soience

Anonymous No. 16194997

the Sol system seems pretty crap, a bunch of dog shit planets except for Earth and maybe Mars.
we are literally cursed unless we decide to travel to several of the near by stars.

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Anonymous No. 16194998

>>16194920
>Thus, by a combination of guard rings and guard caps to make the self-gravity more uniform, the use of the Earth tides augmented or compensated by 100-kilogram masses, and a slight rotation of the sample volume, it is possible to cancel all the gravity inside a sample volume of material some thirtycentimeters in diameter and tencentimeters thick (the size of a birthday cake). The technique can be used at any orbital altitude, but the best results can be obtained in a space manufacturing facility in geostationary orbit. In one example that I calculated, our birthday-cake sized sample disk of water had the gravity fields inside decreased by a factor of a thousand, so that the maximum gravity acceleration anywhere inside the disk was less than a picogravity or a trillionth of an Earth gravity. At this level of acceleration it would take an atom eightseconds to fall its own diameter
Flattening spacetime near the Earth
Robert L. Forward
https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.26.735

Anonymous No. 16194999

>>16192626
its constantly happening in the ocean floors of earth today lmao

Anonymous No. 16195008

>>16194997
If every planet is perfect, then no planet is perfect. Perfection needs a sea of imperfects for it to be perfect. Thus our solar system is top tier because it houses a perfect planet like Earth and 2nd tier like Mars in a sea of imperfect planets within 100 light years.

Anonymous No. 16195013

>>16194978
or just use fans and airflow

Anonymous No. 16195020

PSA: if you want people to open your youtube links include a greentext of the video name and the thumbnail.

Anonymous No. 16195022

>>16194997
Wait til you see other star systems...

Anonymous No. 16195023

>>16195020
PSA: those people should just get 4chanX instead

Anonymous No. 16195024

Every thread should be Space Force themed from now on

Anonymous No. 16195029

>>16194999
No it's not. I think we know this because the semantics of the genetic code with triplets and stuff is actually kind of arbitrary, or at least it wouldn't be the same if abiogenesis happened in today's conditions. Also it's extremely improbable because we already have strong evolved life that would immediately kill the weak new life.

Anonymous No. 16195032

>>16195024
Gayest nigger award

Anonymous No. 16195033

Y'all here, why is it that half the dudes I've dated who are into rockets unironically have scat kinks?

Anonymous No. 16195034

>>16195033
I think youre confusing rockets with dicks, and yes all gay men like yourself fetishize poop.

Anonymous No. 16195035

>>16195029
>if abiogenesis happened in today's conditions. Also it's extremely improbable because we already have strong evolved life that would immediately kill the weak new life.
that's not an argument against it happening though. it's just that if it's happening then it'd be really hard to spot, unless you're tracking every single microbe on the ocean floor.

Anonymous No. 16195037

>>16195029
Its constantly happening.

Water + underwater volcano = melting soup that generates amino acids + primitive cells. These are even being recreated in lab simulations as well. Its happening, constantly and spontaneously. Its a natural outcome of themix

Anonymous No. 16195040

>>16195034
I'm not gay though.

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Anonymous No. 16195046

Hey guys, so wen are we launchen?

Anonymous No. 16195048

>>16195037
> Water + underwater volcano = melting soup that generates amino acids + primitive cells.

That's retarded and anti-evolutionary. You don't just get cells.

Anonymous No. 16195049

>>16195035
If it were happening at that rate we would notice it easily. The reason it's not happening is competition.

Anonymous No. 16195050

>>16195040
Well youre obviously not a woman those dont exist on 4chud and you said you date men so that makes you a faggot.

Anonymous No. 16195053

>>16194853
one problem with "le tungston rod from space" is you can't just "drop" it.
but this picture had me thinking. There's a guy standing there.
Lets assume spin gravity.
Could a spin gravity station "drop" weapons down to earth?

Anonymous No. 16195068

>>16194975
remember when rogozin had pockocmoc goons go in and theatrically cover up USA/Euro flags

Anonymous No. 16195073

>>16195068
Shut up westoid pig

Anonymous No. 16195077

>>16194894
see
>>16194862

Anonymous No. 16195078

>>16195053
yes, as long as its spin was counter to its direction of travel and it rotated at 24k miles per hour

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Anonymous No. 16195079

>>16195053
orbital velocity at 200km LEO is 7.789 kilometers per second
so you would need a spin station that has tangential speed of 7789 m/s and assuming you wanted to keep the 1g centripetal acceleration, you would need to have a spin station with the radius of 6186 km
so basically a spin station with the radius close to earths radius

Anonymous No. 16195080

>>16195013
>leave the thick, drag inducing atmosphere
>recreate it in space
no

Anonymous No. 16195085

>>16195079
What the fuck are you talking about nogger

Anonymous No. 16195090

>>16195079
makes sense

Anonymous No. 16195092

>>16195080
Fucking spincel

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>>16195092

Anonymous No. 16195139

>>16195104
you'd best start believing in atmospheres
you're in one

Anonymous No. 16195152

>>16195079
What about areobraking

Anonymous No. 16195174

>>16195048
you can pretty easily get phospholipid bilayers though. And if you handwave some self-replicating molecule SOMEHOW coming about, then it’s not so crazy to assume it found its way into a cozy little polymorphic home and that becomes the cell. It’s that easy in abiogenesis

Anonymous No. 16195203

Man I wish I lived in a spin station. It doesn't even have to be big, or 1g. If space hotels become a thing I'm working up there

Anonymous No. 16195221

>>16194803
reaction control thrusters

Anonymous No. 16195225

did nothing happen today?

Anonymous No. 16195229

>>16195225
Sunday before a federal holiday.

Anonymous No. 16195239

>>16195079
>planetary beyblade

Anonymous No. 16195243

Nothing ever happens

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Anonymous No. 16195251

STAGING

>>16195248
>>16195248
>>16195248
>>16195248
>>16195248

Anonymous No. 16195253

>>16192441
The secret level in Blast Corps where you have to bulldoze an emergency landing site for the Shuttle is kino

Anonymous No. 16195277

>>16195239
it's called an orbital ring