Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:26:06 UTC No. 16249366

why does macroevolution supposedly prevent cancer?

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:26:26 UTC No. 16249368

>>16249354
>why do mistakes happen in a non-controlled environment
I surely have no fucking idea

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:28:57 UTC No. 16249380

>>16249354
The vast majority of cancers happen to people after they've passed prime childbearing age. Once you've reproduced, passed on your genes, natural selection doesn't care about you any more.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:33:14 UTC No. 16249387

>>16249380
>child cancer

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:52:25 UTC No. 16249419

God can turn all negatives into positives

I dont need another miracle, I dont need more healing

the miracle is this, I am grateful for my cancer, it was the only way I was going to experience this

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:54:10 UTC No. 16249423

>but anon how about kids that die of starvation!!

they die, they are God, we are the ones letting God starve to death, we are the ones who need to do something!!!

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:54:25 UTC No. 16249425

>>16249354
>Why the fuck do things like cancer still happen
Ask Pfizer

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 16:58:15 UTC No. 16249430

>but anon what about uncontrollable child diseases

its part of the conditions of this "imperfect" universe, its part of the sacrifices of God so that we can have this that you call "imperfection"

animals and life developed eating each other, because in other to have individual free will in existence, we must have fragmentation, and the resources of the "simulation" are limited

so fragmentation means animals eat each other, until God through us can up with a better way of nourishment

>but anon why arent we all plants?

thats what we are going to be in heaven, plants eating the light of God

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:00:06 UTC No. 16249432

>why arent we in heaven now?

we are going to be there for eternity, we need to learn true love and the value of yourself and others

this is what this universe is meant to create, self reflection and love, so that heaven is heaven and not hell

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:01:34 UTC No. 16249437

>>16249354
>Why the fuck do things like cancer still happen, despite "millions of years" of macroevolution?
that's sort of the same question asked here:
>>16245566
In other words, why isn't life perfect? Because the universe is quite chaotic, and it's very amazing that anything as well organized as a living organism exists, at all! At the same time, it also defeats the argument of a perfect and all-knowing god creating all these imperfect beings, and being completely aware of what they are doing in the process.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:02:36 UTC No. 16249439

>>16249368

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:03:36 UTC No. 16249440

>>16249387
>child cancer
pretty much non-existent before the modern age of chemicals everywhere.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:03:56 UTC No. 16249441

>>16249437
the trick is to find the perfection in this apparent "imperfection"

if perfection was "perfect" like your human mind imagines it, it would be just a crystal, a frozen hell of sameness....

thats not perfect....thats dumb and boring

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:07:50 UTC No. 16249449

>>16249432
I've always thought the idea of existing for eternity is terrible. I do not want to exist forever, I would probably ask God to destroy me after a while. Everything has to come to an end

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:13:54 UTC No. 16249464

>>16249449
I truly believe we will have a new recursion in existence, new universe or whatever

maybe what is "us" will come back, but maybe in such a a way as eternity being a cool experience truly eternally.....

I dont want to blaspheme God but we kinda dont have a choice, existence will be heaven or hell, but it will be

it "not being" is only charging up the dualism, by "not being" you also create "being" later on

we are "fucked" anon, but I dont see it as bad, I am truly happy and I will be your friend forever if we exist forever

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:17:54 UTC No. 16249471

but hey our human ego will die, whatever the soul is, we can worry about that later

you, your ego persona whatever, you can rest easy

you will die, this is the great gift of God to men, the gift of Illuvatar to human kind, death

its beautiful truly

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:19:04 UTC No. 16249474

when you understand existence, you see the incredible gift and miracle that your life is

it has it all, free will, independent thought, and also eternal rest

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:21:39 UTC No. 16249478

Thank you God, truly :,)

and thanks for the second chances, I will make it so that you in the others around me, does not suffer needlessly. This means I promise to think of you whenever I get angry and feel like hurting someone

that someone is you, you just forgot, but thats ok, thats also a miracle

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:24:24 UTC No. 16249482

>>16249430
>ts part of the conditions of this "imperfect" universe, its part of the sacrifices of God so that we can have this that you call "imperfection"
Your mental gymnastics are impressive and embarrassing, all at once.
Can we leave the philosophy out of /sci/? It is considered off-topic, mind you.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:27:10 UTC No. 16249488

>>16249482
I am also grateful for your retardation, thanks for keeping the fragmentation alive and kicking

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:33:59 UTC No. 16249499

>>16249354
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncogene

Cancer-causing genes (oncogenes) are almost always created by mutation. Meaning a creature is very rarely born with oncogenes. This is evidence that evolution has, in fact, selected against oncogenes. Evolution cannot totally turn off mutation though: it is a consequence of physics, and anyway, it is a prerequisite for evolution itself. But a side effect is that mutation sometimes causes oncogenes.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:03:12 UTC No. 16249534

>>16249354
>I got hit by a car! WTF evolution, why didn't you stop this!?

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:06:38 UTC No. 16249542

>>16249482
>The problem of evil is the reason god doesn't exist
Bro we all know you're christian, drop the act. They've been gloating about that for decades now.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:15:22 UTC No. 16249563

>>16249488
It's not that I don't want to talk about the topic with you, I actually enjoy theology very much, but, as you may know, religion-vs-science, and round-and-round philosophy without testable premises, are considered off-topic in /sci/
Here, we apply Newton's Laser Flaming Sword razor.
Frankly, that whole discussion fits better in /x/ or /lit/, which I also frequent.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:15:33 UTC No. 16249565

>>16249482
Define evil.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:16:33 UTC No. 16249569

>>16249565
no:
>>16249563

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 18:52:02 UTC No. 16249654

>>16249354
Because evolution doesn't take you to perfection; it takes you to "just good enough".

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 19:02:14 UTC No. 16249676

>>16249380
why do people live so long then?
is there no advantage?

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 19:09:35 UTC No. 16249688

>>16249354
Because evolution is not some magical superpower but gradual adaptation to the environment

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:00:54 UTC No. 16249955

>>16249676
>why do people live so long then?
they didn't: people died very young in pre-history. That's why females get their periods between the ages of 10 and 15, and, and boys begin their puberty between the ages of 9 and 14.
I'm not arguing against it, but the "age of consent" is a very modern invention in the long history of human evolution.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:24:33 UTC No. 16249971

>>16249387
>god is real because children get cancer

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:27:19 UTC No. 16249976

>>16249676
The advantage is our experience and skills we can pass on in old age and the help we provide our offspring when we watch their young kids.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:28:39 UTC No. 16249979

>>16249354
dying isn't a mistake. you're supposed to die.
I'm not an atheist but I disagree with your premise.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 00:37:06 UTC No. 16250108

>>16249354
>Why the fuck do things like cancer still happen
Usually human body can handle cancer before reproductive age. After that DNA has new bodies to live in. Many larger animals dont have cancer almost at all.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 00:59:26 UTC No. 16250128

>seconds, maybe minutes, but never hours, much less days!
Why would something like unlucky mutation NOT happen because of evolution?
Look at something like >>16249430
Why do children get diseases
>well even though god is perfect has has to blah blah blah...
vs
>shit blows, but the ones that get fewer diseases live a lot longer and have more babies

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 02:44:30 UTC No. 16250247

Many cancers are caused by modern non adapted for environmental factors. Think how different our diet is in terms of nutrition, pollutants of all kinds, disrupted circadian and seasonal rhythms.
No reason to expect natural selection to have worked out things that have only become much more of an issue in the past few centuries. Especially many of these adverse affects come after childbearing age so as others have explained adaptions both genetic and memetic would be expected to be slow.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 06:15:52 UTC No. 16250425

>>16249354
Apparently primitive people don't get cancer at the same rate. Either because they aren't exposed to chemicals, etc. or because they fast for long periods of time...ie one meal a day or one meal every two/three days

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 08:33:40 UTC No. 16250515

>>16249354
Predator and prey co-evolve.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:05:56 UTC No. 16250540

>>16250425
Or because they die before cancer forms, or they die from cancer but they have no medical experts who can identify it or discover it via autopsy.