🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:39:32 UTC No. 16293407
Donkey Kong Edition
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Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:42:44 UTC No. 16293410
lol omnidirectional wheels
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:45:31 UTC No. 16293411
>>16293407
still wondering how spacex is going to solve the landing gear problem.
>inb4 they'll just catch starship using a tower
on earth maybe, on any other planet or for p2p they'll need legs.
how will they be mounted, on the outside, or inside the engine skirt, what does the deployment mechanism look like, they should be able to fold back on their own power as there won't be any equipment to fold them back in and there won't be a launchpad to place it back onto.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:47:20 UTC No. 16293412
>>16293411
Did you forget how Starship HLS looks?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:51:44 UTC No. 16293413
>>16293407
Post Mario
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:59:08 UTC No. 16293415
>>16293411
They'll probably do the same thing they do for HLS
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:00:14 UTC No. 16293416
>>16293415
>>16293411
Actually I believe this one is more up to date.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:01:53 UTC No. 16293418
>>16293411
Deployable feet that lock once the ship is steady
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:16:19 UTC No. 16293428
>>16293425
Last one from the right is definitely not happening, at least not in that form.
And crewship will have much smaller windows.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:34:24 UTC No. 16293442
>>16293438
Yes obviously why would you ask. Wouldn’t even get off the ground without boosters.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:35:01 UTC No. 16293444
>>16293425
Which one is the Mars one? My guess is 1000, or three years worth of peak production
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:36:23 UTC No. 16293445
>>16293438
>Common dome hydrolox tanks
There are easier ways to die anon
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:46:39 UTC No. 16293454
>>16293442
Actually the theoretical hydra engines have pretty good TWR. Since the hydrogen has so much less mass than methane the maths works out to about the same payload to orbit as raptor starship.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:47:43 UTC No. 16293455
>>16293454
Of course as the other anon pointed out this assumes a common dome which doesn't work for hydromeme and this the entire thing is probably DOA.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:52:12 UTC No. 16293457
>>16293456
Whats the other 56.7%?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:53:55 UTC No. 16293458
>>16293457
Sci is not a homework board
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:55:06 UTC No. 16293459
>>16293457
I would imagine chlorocarbons but I have no real source for this
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:57:29 UTC No. 16293462
>>16293459
Don't you mean fluorocarbons?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:59:21 UTC No. 16293463
>>16293462
Shit
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:03:30 UTC No. 16293465
>>16293425
Only the HLS, human rated starship wont happen
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:24:38 UTC No. 16293472
China lunar rocket’s third stage engine YF75E has completed high-altitude simulation hot fire test at the newly built vacuum simulation test bed.
https://x.com/i/status/181556097833
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:34:00 UTC No. 16293477
>>16293465
>human rated starship wont happen
Why? No abort?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:36:32 UTC No. 16293480
>>16293456
Spicy!
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:36:53 UTC No. 16293481
>>16293456
>zyklon b starship
how's the $/ton?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:44:19 UTC No. 16293488
What OS does SpaceX use?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:46:02 UTC No. 16293492
>>16293481
A human body produces roughly 3 liters of ash when cremated.
18 starship flights have enough payload volume for 6 million times that amount.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:47:00 UTC No. 16293495
>>16293488
Linux
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:54:23 UTC No. 16293503
>>16293477
No abort + belly flop + vertical landing
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:57:05 UTC No. 16293510
>>16293503
So about as safe as Shuttle.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:59:58 UTC No. 16293513
>>16293510
If spacex made shuttle nasa would never in a million years let people fly on it.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:05:58 UTC No. 16293518
>>16293513
If spacex made the shuttle they would've flown it 100 times unmanned before putting humans on it.
Astronauts are as big an issue at nasa as the bureaucrats are.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:11:41 UTC No. 16293523
>>16293518
>shuttle could've been flown fully remote except for lowering landing gear
>deliberately omitted by demand of astronauts
>they finally relented and allowed it for STS-135
>the final flight
Fucking retarded
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:12:42 UTC No. 16293526
>>16293495
Arch?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:15:57 UTC No. 16293529
>>16293457
mostly nitrogen trifluoride and carbon tetrafluoride
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:18:16 UTC No. 16293534
>>16293510
I think the belly flop and vertical landing make starship way worse than the shuttle to be human rated, and yes, now day its impossible to imagine something like the shuttle could exist
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:19:44 UTC No. 16293536
>>16293456
not bad
but we can do better
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:24:40 UTC No. 16293546
>>16293536
390C temperature differential, hmmm...
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:27:53 UTC No. 16293552
>>16293546
It’s ok, as you can see the wall is insulated.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:49:35 UTC No. 16293577
>>16293523
>deliberately omitted by demand of astronauts
It was omitted because if the gear dropped accidentally before reentry there was no way to retract them and NASA would have lost a very expensive and almost irreplaceable orbiter.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:52:57 UTC No. 16293579
>>16293577
>there was no way to retract them
they should've developed a fix for that, then we could have still had Centaur G
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:55:14 UTC No. 16293583
>>16293577
Landing gear that could go back and forth was a technology too daunting even for nasa. It would be decades after the shuttle before anyone attempted it.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:57:14 UTC No. 16293588
>>16293579
There definitely would've been more problems to Centaur G than the stated reasons to cancellation
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:57:58 UTC No. 16293589
>>16293579
That would have added too much additional weight. You've got to understand that the shuttle designers were all anorexic fucking teenage girls when it came to mass issues. They could have had a slightly heavier fueling system that pumped hydrolox directly into the external tank but that would have been heavier than using the bidirectional tail service mast design for fueling. This one choice resulted in nearly all of the LH2 leak related scrubs for both the Shuttle and SLS.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:59:37 UTC No. 16293591
>>16293589
How many actual payloads needed the full shuttle capacity? It might have been just Chandra.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:00:32 UTC No. 16293593
>>16293575
never say never https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whs
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:02:00 UTC No. 16293594
For me, it's B64G1/409
https://patents.google.com/?q=B64G1
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:02:59 UTC No. 16293595
>>16293593
>>16293594
schizo but I'm rooting for it
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:03:52 UTC No. 16293598
>>16293589
>lets make this spacecraft more dangerous to save a few kilos
Feynman was right.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:05:17 UTC No. 16293599
>>16293591
A lot of the ISS construction flights were pushing the limits of the Shuttle's carrying capacity. Those missions needed the super-lightweight external tank to be developed specifically for them and Columbia was still too heavy to lift enough to the ISS's orbit.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:05:18 UTC No. 16293600
>>16293595
I think they're on to something desu, maybe
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:06:19 UTC No. 16293601
>>16293600
https://thedebrief.org/nasa-scienti
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:06:24 UTC No. 16293602
>>16293599
right I'm forgetting inclination changes
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:07:52 UTC No. 16293604
>>16293589
>They could have had a slightly heavier fueling system that pumped hydrolox directly into the external tank but that would have been heavier than using the bidirectional tail service mast design for fueling.
>This one choice resulted in nearly all of the LH2 leak related scrubs for both the Shuttle and SLS.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:08:28 UTC No. 16293605
I call it the F Gay Gay
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:09:57 UTC No. 16293606
>>16293599
> Columbia was still too heavy to lift enough to the ISS's orbit
Huh, I always thought the shuttles were all basically the same, I never realised they had such big differences between them.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:10:01 UTC No. 16293607
>>16293604
You have to let a man be autistic sometimes
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:10:31 UTC No. 16293608
>>16293600
i think they're onto something too but it's probably something useless like lorentz forces from minor fluctuations in the magnetic field
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:10:33 UTC No. 16293609
>>16293536
Would it be possible to increase the environmental impact by eliminating the propulsion aspect?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:11:28 UTC No. 16293611
>>16293607
Mass autism is enraging when these are its consequences
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:12:18 UTC No. 16293612
spacex is consumer trash for big bang theory scientism redditors. why do you faggots love musk so much?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:12:46 UTC No. 16293613
>>16293609
Yeah that's called a cobalt bomb buddy
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:15:41 UTC No. 16293619
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:16:22 UTC No. 16293620
>>16293613
I think I'm in love
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:16:28 UTC No. 16293622
>>16293477
government fobids it
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:18:07 UTC No. 16293624
>>16293601
>Dr. Charles Buhler, the technology’s creator, says the propulsion system may represent a working version of Quantized Inertia, a theory first proposed by University of Plymouth professor Mike McCulloch. The proposition has been subjected to criticism from mainstream scientists in the past because it seemingly violates Newton’s third law of motion.
Oh yeah it's all coming together
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:18:21 UTC No. 16293625
>>16293481
6000000
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:18:26 UTC No. 16293626
>>16293613
Step 1 of my plan to areoform Earth
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:18:34 UTC No. 16293627
>>16293612
spacex more like spacesex amirite?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:18:43 UTC No. 16293628
>>16293606
Endeavour was 3,600 kg lighter than Columbia. Columbia and Challenger were definitely more prototype than Discovery, Atlantis and Endvenour's sort of production model, but there were a lot of small improvements made as the program progressed. It's really best to think of each of the orbiters as a unique vehicle.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:20:23 UTC No. 16293632
>>16293594
Wait, is this just a ramjet that magnetically accelerates oxygen from the surrounding environment and uses it for thrust? Maybe it's good but not very reactionless
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:22:35 UTC No. 16293633
>>16293632
No that's an entire category of patents it includes, the Exodus drive device specifically is
>System and method for generating forces using asymmetrical electrostatic pressure
>https://patents.google.com/patent/
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:27:53 UTC No. 16293635
>>16293604
You need to kill yourself
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:28:01 UTC No. 16293636
>>16293633
Oh, thanks. My issue with these is that they seem very similar to photon rockets but I guess the measured thrust implies they're different
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:29:49 UTC No. 16293639
>>16293636
video of it allegedly working
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nO
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:31:33 UTC No. 16293644
>>16293612
I believe you could fit in more buzzwords in the sentence if you gave it all
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:32:52 UTC No. 16293647
Does anyone know the theoretical max revenue of Starlink? If they meet their targets this year then they're already making more money than NASA devotes to exploration each year. Total communications market cap is like $5 trillion and they only have about 0.1% of it so far. How far can this go?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:34:30 UTC No. 16293649
>>16293639
these dudes need a better test setup
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:35:49 UTC No. 16293651
>>16293639
man after seeing that, I am not convinced, its not even in vacuum
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:39:18 UTC No. 16293654
>>16293647
>Total communications market cap is like $5 trillion
You answered your own question anon.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:42:58 UTC No. 16293661
>>16293601
So, ultimately he's claiming its a new force, undiscovered by science, different from the ion wind. Bold claim
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:46:20 UTC No. 16293665
>>16293655
I... I love the space shuttle.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:50:07 UTC No. 16293669
>>16293629
Monopoly born out of fair competition is good.
Monopoly created by government which keeps competition out is bad.
Forced "competition" is just affirmative action for losers where winners gets bronze medals and lowers get gold medal to "make equality of outcome" nonsense that commies parrot.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:52:07 UTC No. 16293673
>>16293654
But normal cell infrastructure/ fiber will still exist. Are you saying Starlink could absorb all of that? I mean even 5% would be the Mars city funded but 100%?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:59:37 UTC No. 16293680
>there are more airplane flights in a day than seconds
If the current industry/economy is capable of this, what's the max cadence for Starship?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:12:08 UTC No. 16293696
>>16293680
98 flights per year
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:14:31 UTC No. 16293699
>>16293680
1 starship every 2 weeks
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:24:10 UTC No. 16293708
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:24:54 UTC No. 16293710
>>16293680
Your tight bussys max cadence is 4 poundings/second
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:25:11 UTC No. 16293711
>This really is the point. In this competition, for which NASA expressly wanted multiple bidders from its "robust contractor community," the agency had to bend over backward from a contracting standpoint to get two entrants. And when the competition unfolded, it was not even close: SpaceX had the far lower bid, with a far higher chance of success.
he can't keep getting away with it
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:29:53 UTC No. 16293715
>>16293710
it's fine that you're a homosexual but you shouldn't bring it up here unless it is somehow relevant to spaceflight.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:34:08 UTC No. 16293720
>>16293715
is enema possible in 0G?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:35:21 UTC No. 16293724
>>16293711
Which makes me wonder what would NASA do without SpaceX? Even when they give chance to others to compete with more expensive contracts they are still too incompetent.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:37:43 UTC No. 16293727
>>16293708
>>16293711
Jokes aside, space might be the one area where there are simply not enough great engineers in a given country for multiple launch/spacecraft providers.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:38:19 UTC No. 16293729
>Essentially, Northrop told NASA it would not bid for a firm, fixed-priced contract.
>And conversely, SpaceX said it would not bid under a cost-plus contracting mechanism
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:45:20 UTC No. 16293743
>>16293727
lol no
There’s just not enough of a natural economy in LEO/beyond to justify doing it. That’s why we had 50 years of basically the same 6 or 7 companies (boeing, lockheed, grumman, etc.) doing niche shit for basically whatever amount of $$$ they asked for
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:46:21 UTC No. 16293746
>>16293715
>its fine that youre a homosexual
No its not.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:46:35 UTC No. 16293747
>>16293743
There's no natural economy. All economics are artificial and proof of greatness.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:48:50 UTC No. 16293749
>>16293735
Lunar shuttle is based
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:50:52 UTC No. 16293751
>>16293749
based on what
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:55:02 UTC No. 16293758
>>16293751
Based on robust LEO propellant transfer infrastructure
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:59:59 UTC No. 16293765
>>16293727
no, the ossified big companies have incompetent management and the upcoming companies are still too young to compete with SpaceX, most other companies that were started when SpaceX was started went bankrupt other than the newspace/oldspace amalgamation of BO
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:00:12 UTC No. 16293766
What do we make of Musk's Jordan Peterson interview?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:01:44 UTC No. 16293768
I want to have sex in space. When will SpaceseX finallly open its brothel in orbit or maybe the moon or mars? Why do they need to make things so complicated?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:02:27 UTC No. 16293771
there's only one major civilian passenger plane manufacturer in america, the same will happen in spaceflight
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:03:04 UTC No. 16293772
>1st half august
>2nd half august
>September
>never
Which one for manned starliner return?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:04:12 UTC No. 16293774
>>16293771
And it will be Blue Origin.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:04:21 UTC No. 16293776
>>16293766
90% of juden peterstein doing his usual pretentions pseudointellectual rambling and 10% elon regurgitating things he's already said
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:04:38 UTC No. 16293779
>>16293771
I've been wondering with boeing's fumbling if any of those private jet companies might consider taking a shot
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:05:33 UTC No. 16293780
>>16293772
2030 when spacex deorbit the iss
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:09:20 UTC No. 16293782
>>16293780
so you are suggesting these astronauts should be deorbited alive just because they picked the wrong vehicle?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:15:22 UTC No. 16293788
one day spacex will grow old and corrupt and the government will be forced to break them up to create competition
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:17:44 UTC No. 16293791
>>16293727
This. SpaceX needs to stop burning through our engineers making rockets to nowhere! Send them back to ULA where they belong.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:21:13 UTC No. 16293794
>>16293766
The professor lectures like I'm sure he's used to and Elon pauses for 20 seconds or so during normal conversation so it ended up being less of an interview and more Elon sitting there listening to Jordan while undoubtedly thinking
>he's sitting way too close
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:22:00 UTC No. 16293796
>>16293782
it is what it is
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:22:36 UTC No. 16293797
>>16293794
why does the richest man in the world let Peterson talk to him like that?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:22:39 UTC No. 16293798
>>16293790
Link?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:23:04 UTC No. 16293799
>>16293788
If Elon has a similarly autistic legacy they may be able to keep it going for generations like Ford. That long and they may have enough operations on Mars that they don't slow down
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:24:05 UTC No. 16293802
>>16293797
Aspergers. You didn't know?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:24:06 UTC No. 16293803
>>16293779
Would costs hundreds on millions ro develop and certify. Not to mention the ground support systems.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:25:50 UTC No. 16293805
>>16293803
This. Such a thing is so large, complex, and expensive that no company will ever be able to compete with Boeing.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:26:27 UTC No. 16293807
>>16293798
https://radiosarajevo.ba/magazin/za
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:28:01 UTC No. 16293808
>>16293727
Somehow, it's both reassuring and depressing that SpaceX is an exception.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:28:08 UTC No. 16293809
>>16293803
Flight is hard after all! An upstart little company could never hope to compete with a name like Boeing
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:34:50 UTC No. 16293816
>>16293807
Seems it was an ocean-mapping project, which would make sense.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:36:56 UTC No. 16293819
>>16293816
still sus how they're leaving the American devices here our sea.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:40:35 UTC No. 16293821
>>16293817
Does your car run on kerolox, metholox, hydralox, or apcp?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:40:54 UTC No. 16293822
Is everyone excited for OFT-5 in 3 weeks?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:41:58 UTC No. 16293823
>>16293819
Well when Euros land on the moon maybe they'll be able to do it themselves without our help
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:43:40 UTC No. 16293825
>>16293817
Your car exhaust doesn't use gasoline to cool itself
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:44:25 UTC No. 16293826
"I've got to destroy the woke mind virus after that"
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:45:26 UTC No. 16293827
>>16293823
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:50:44 UTC No. 16293836
>>16293629
Sorry, big guy, but only the paranoid will survive.
🗑️ B00T at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:52:04 UTC No. 16293841
>>16293836
Para-noid
Understood, fag. But I had to
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:52:11 UTC No. 16293842
>>16293629
How long have oldspace contrators been sucking the goberment dry.
B00T at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:54:07 UTC No. 16293846
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:54:27 UTC No. 16293848
>>16293817
Your car does not propel itself using the difference in pressure from the exhaust escaping the combustion chamber.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:56:48 UTC No. 16293850
>>16293848
ackshually it's a contributing factor
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:00:39 UTC No. 16293852
>>16293850
the exhaust stroke of a 4 stroke combustion engine does not contribute to power
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:01:47 UTC No. 16293853
>>16293852
it provides propulsion to the car. Newton's 3rd law.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:03:27 UTC No. 16293855
>>16293853
rocket engines push a rocket
automobile engines pull an automobile
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:04:56 UTC No. 16293858
>>16293855
the car exhaust also pushes the car forward. It's a small effect but it's there.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:05:25 UTC No. 16293859
>>16293817
Exhaust velocity and pressure difference mainly
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:05:30 UTC No. 16293861
>>16293456
Tel Aviv Spaceport, here we come!
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:45:01 UTC No. 16293901
>>16293600
The haters will be stuck in this galaxy and my 1g constant acceleration tape outgassing drive will be taking me to Andromeda
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:51:23 UTC No. 16293915
>>16293907
There was no way they would keep manufacturing Saturn cores unless it was part of a kerosene based shuttle system (esoteric, moderately vrilpilled)
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:57:04 UTC No. 16293919
>>16293407
Why are they not sending Hubble or JWST away in a straight trajectory with relays following it until the end has been reached?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:57:13 UTC No. 16293920
>>16293771
>only zero
FTFY
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:57:32 UTC No. 16293923
>>16293612
I hate trooncase faggots so much it's unreal.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:11:25 UTC No. 16293944
>>16293412
WITH the heatshield, smartass.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:13:01 UTC No. 16293948
>>16293612
This guy seems to be suffering from a serious case of trannyism propaganda
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:18:32 UTC No. 16293955
>>16293944
Just add tiles, smartass.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:30:09 UTC No. 16293962
>>16293907
Ending the Saturn V line for shuttle was the biggest mistake ever
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:33:14 UTC No. 16293964
>>16293665
For me, it's the shuttle carrier aircraft
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:38:56 UTC No. 16293970
>>16293964
they really spent as much money as possible on this thing
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:42:33 UTC No. 16293976
>>16293970
it was a good looking waste of money
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:44:17 UTC No. 16293978
>>16293964
it looks like the female airplane is sucking the semen and life force out of the male plane, leaving a drained husk, attached by a small dwindling tendon
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:45:13 UTC No. 16293982
>>16293978
it do be like that
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:45:55 UTC No. 16293983
>>16293964
I wonder when/whether will we see SpaceX moving Starships between sites just by launching them on suborbital trajectories (or even Superheavies?)
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:48:08 UTC No. 16293986
When will it be viable to test what the absolute minimum thickness of heat tiles needed?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:50:37 UTC No. 16293990
>>16293983
FAA would throw a shit fit over that but it would be one hell of a spectacle to see them going back and forth from the cape to starbase. Much more efficient than floating them on a barge and closing roads.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:51:30 UTC No. 16293991
>>16293990
The FAA is already in the process of being abolished thanks to President Trump
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:54:31 UTC No. 16293992
>>16293991
thank god
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:58:47 UTC No. 16293996
>>16293647
Porn when?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:59:04 UTC No. 16293998
>>16293612
/sfg/ is the new reddit
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:15:47 UTC No. 16294015
>>16293976
It looked like shit though
>let's make a spaceplane, but fat and ugly
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:18:43 UTC No. 16294019
>>16293536
>llet's have a radioactive flluorine llithium fire that also fllies
You forgot to inject hydrogen to maximize exhaust velocity.
I know science is about asking 'Why not?' but at some pooint we need to stop because where we're going will have WAY too much fire. And radiation.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:20:59 UTC No. 16294022
>>16293991
BASED
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:23:12 UTC No. 16294025
>>16293990
yeah, that's one of the problems, even if they will need starships to start reentering over Boca Chica and the Cape relatively soon anyway.
btw I never thought of that but SpaceX will probably need to coordinate with the Mexican government for that.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:27:26 UTC No. 16294029
>>16294019
LN2 propelled nuclear gas fission reactor
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:28:55 UTC No. 16294030
So, with DARPA presumably testing the DRACO or nuclear powered rocket in the near future, will submarine officers be more highly qualified to become NASA astronauts since they have a lot of experience running reactors in confined spaces? This is assuming that they consider this safe and effective enough
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:31:54 UTC No. 16294035
>>16294030
A NTR engine has nothing in common with a nuclear sub powerplant but your education with regard to nuclear power would be a big feather in your cap.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:33:03 UTC No. 16294037
>>16294025
from what I understand Mexico has little to no presence in Space so I'm sure Elon could make them grovel
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:33:52 UTC No. 16294038
>>16294030
unlikely that you'd have a dedicated nuclear engineer aboard any manned NTR missions in the foreseeable future. in-flight maintenance is too hard to attempt and everything else can be handled from the ground.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:43:40 UTC No. 16294045
>>16293720
it's not much different than a fuel transfer, you just need positive pressure
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:48:47 UTC No. 16294051
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:48:56 UTC No. 16294052
>>16294019
Weak earther mindset
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:49:49 UTC No. 16294053
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:50:43 UTC No. 16294054
>>16294053
>>16294051
>>16294049
Neutron needed to be flying yesterday, hobbit man is donzo
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:59:53 UTC No. 16294060
>>16294035
>but your education with regard to nuclear power would be a big feather in your cap
That’s what I meant. In your first 3 years as a sub officer, you have academic training, on hands training, and management of a nuclear reactor and you’re nuclear training counts towards a masters. So, it wouldn’t hurt having someone with a nuclear power background, even if the reactor isn’t similar, on the flight if they manage to get it to work.
>>16294038
What I said above. You wouldn’t need someone to repair it, and Houston can monitor it, but it wouldn’t hurt having a nuclear qualified person on the flight
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:06:13 UTC No. 16294067
>>16294054
three years and he has pieces of a tank to show for it. space is hard.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:13:40 UTC No. 16294071
>>16293727
If this is anything like the old school Silicon Valley strat of hiring anything with a pulse to deny it to competitors, bravo Elon
Enough people leave to found spinoffs it makes you wonder
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:29:15 UTC No. 16294081
>>16293629
won't somebody PLEASE think of the poor boeing and northrop grumman!
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:30:24 UTC No. 16294082
>>16294035
>nuclear propulsion
>likely a small nuclear reactor for any colony, rover, etc
>radiation management from space
If I'm sending 10 people to mars, at least one of them would be specialized in this shit
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:38:31 UTC No. 16294092
>>16294049
Neutron is going to kill that company. Those poor idiots are behind schedule on a Falcon 9 competitor that was already a decade late when it was announced. I don't know if it's pride or investor demand that keeps them trying to stay in the launch market. The only way to save RL is a pivot to payloads and in-space services/vehicles/stations, but I think that might have needed to happen a year or two ago.
Companies developing new rockets these days are like children building stick forts in the shadow of Vesuvius. Starship will bury them.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:42:44 UTC No. 16294097
>>16294092
if they abandon neutron, the stock gets absolutely blown the fuck out
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:43:34 UTC No. 16294100
>>16294092
Seems to me like the problem is (at least partially) investor fear. A lot harder to flip-flop on fundamental design choices when your U$D comes from investors/stakeholders who were happy with the carbon composite angle you sold them with.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:48:37 UTC No. 16294106
SpaceX has already buried the commercial competition. There is absolutely no future for anyone except maybe Blue Origin. It would take another giga rich cunt bankrolling a rocket company to get some competition and even then I think the costs might be prohibitive without getting any returns from the commercial market. The only competition I see happening is going to come from China since they arent pussies and will just dump resources into their program at warp speed once starship proves itself. Their lack of metallurgy among other things like turbine development would need sorting out though so idk.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:49:40 UTC No. 16294108
>>16294092
They did pivot to space services years ago. It's the only reason they've got a positive cash flow right now.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:01:25 UTC No. 16294119
>>16294073
and that's a good thing
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:02:46 UTC No. 16294122
https://x.com/ajtourville/status/18
https://www.courthousenews.com/spac
>In its April complaint, SpaceX noted that NLRB board members and administrative law judges — like many federal civil servants — are nonpolitical appointees and therefore can’t be fired at-will by the president. The company claims the board members therefore are “unconstitutionally insulated from the president’s oversight," making the board's action an unlawful attempt to "subject SpaceX to an administrative proceeding."
>In an order on Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Alan Albright agreed. Finding SpaceX was likely to succeed on its claims that NLRB officials were serving unconstitutionally, he issued an injunction blocking the NLRB hearing.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:12:46 UTC No. 16294126
>>16294108
So how long until we have a reusable space tug that can rendezvous with a payload in LEO and boost it up?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:13:50 UTC No. 16294127
>>16294122
SpaceX lawyers are savvy
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:16:29 UTC No. 16294128
>>16294126
2 more weeks
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:23:11 UTC No. 16294132
>>16294122
B A S E D
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:26:54 UTC No. 16294134
>>16294122
Since when are the NLRB appointee's non-political? They're appointed by the president. The decisions made by the NLRB change dramatically on which party has a majority.
>Meanwhile, Project 2025, a influential policy guide geared towards future Republican administrations, proposes reclassifying thousands of federal workers as political appointees. Such a change could give the president power to limit regulatory actions he or she disagrees with — for example, by firing Environmental Protection Agency officials who pursued certain environmental cases.
Are American's that desperate for an absolute monarch controlled by corporations?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:34:48 UTC No. 16294138
>>16294122
fucking good
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:35:10 UTC No. 16294139
>>16294134
this is the "democrats will be putting people in FEMA camps" of the left
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:36:02 UTC No. 16294140
>>16294134
>Project 2025
This thing is BS
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:37:37 UTC No. 16294142
>>16294134
Project 2025 is too based to be real
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:38:17 UTC No. 16294143
>>16294140
Funny that they call rightoids conspiracy theorists then instantly believe this slop
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:41:41 UTC No. 16294145
>>16294143
It's right here you retard, read it yourself https://www.project2025.org/policy/
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:45:28 UTC No. 16294147
The problem is no republican is produced in a modern education system
so who are they gonna
appoint
There isn't that many people from utah
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:45:46 UTC No. 16294148
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/
https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/
Aurora down to the 40-ish latitudes expected some time from tonight to tomorrow night, not sure. Full moon might make it tricky to see.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:46:39 UTC No. 16294149
>>16294145
it's based and i wish the heritage foundation controlled what trump did instead of writing fundraiser-bait fanfiction for a living
>>16294134
>Since when are the NLRB appointee's non-political? They're appointed by the president.
anon invents new definitions for well-established legal terms, proceeds to lecture americans for not understanding the legal implications
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:47:17 UTC No. 16294150
>>16294149
>and i wish the heritage foundation controlled what trump did
What do you think this section is all about https://www.project2025.org/personn
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:47:50 UTC No. 16294152
>>16294148
God fucking damnit it's smokey as shit here so Ill probably miss it like last time
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:50:19 UTC No. 16294156
>>16294134
>Project 2025
Good. Political class of administration should be classified as political or not. Especially the heads.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:51:00 UTC No. 16294157
>>16294145
The Heritage Foundation is a thinktank of neocon faggots, the hype about their 2025 shit is entirely artificial and is only 'news' for propaganda purposes. It never had any chance of being taken seriously by anyone in actual power, and you only know about it because you're a target of propaganda.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:51:37 UTC No. 16294158
>>16294150
an attempt to come up with a list of vetted staffers since they know from experience that trump's too lazy to do it himself. hopefully he has to rely on it come november.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:53:53 UTC No. 16294161
>>16294157
HF have been doing it since the reagan days and Reagan actually implemented a lot of their policies and suggestions, and so did Trump for 2016's Mandate for Leadership: Blueprint for Reform so he does seem to take it somewhat seriously
And I learned about it on my own in April, before it went "viral".
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:04:23 UTC No. 16294171
>>16294161
HF puts out 1000+ page doorstoppers that include things even statist liberals would vote for. Of course some of their polices get implemented. Stop being susceptible to propaganda and start being autistic about spaceflight.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:10:04 UTC No. 16294176
>>16294171
Project 2025 is different that much is clear
>and start being autistic about spaceflight.
still am
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:14:39 UTC No. 16294181
>>16293619
>>16293627
>>16293644
>>16293923
>>16293948
>>16293998
how much do you get paid for sucking Musks dick online? $0,000,000.00/yr?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:19:25 UTC No. 16294184
Orion drive that runs on salted nuclear bombs, irradiating and contaminating all landmasses on the planet it launches from for tens of thousands of years
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:20:48 UTC No. 16294186
>>16294181
If you don't know about or like space then you'll never understand why we would all kill rape and die for Elon. You can't understand
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:22:16 UTC No. 16294187
>>16294186
Nice cult of personality you go there
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:24:32 UTC No. 16294188
>>16293612
lmao those people hate musk bc he is a chud and they have spacex because of muh environment or something
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:28:09 UTC No. 16294192
would it make sense to use magnetohydrodynamics to increase the velocity of chemical rocket exhaust or is that too impractical? considering the low ionization of rocket exhaust
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:30:45 UTC No. 16294197
>>16294188
It does not get that far. They hate spacex because Musk is associated with it. no other thoughts go through their heads
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:33:41 UTC No. 16294203
Does anyone have that "Chaos is Gay" webm? Desuarchive has them all scrubbed
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:34:10 UTC No. 16294204
https://x.com/CNSAWatcher/status/18
So the Chinese can detect all the places where airplanes exists on video and then place them on map in real time from space right? US has also been able to do that for a year or so with the advent of these imaging sats + fast AI detections.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:34:29 UTC No. 16294205
>>16294192
to use an elonism that's too much of a mass penalty
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:37:12 UTC No. 16294209
>>16294204
Anything moving faster than 90mph is not a bird, it makes detection easy
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:37:48 UTC No. 16294210
>>16294205
I did find this document citing a velocity increase of around 150%, but the engineering challenges do involve injecting NaK into the combustion area and having an accelerator behind the engine so you might be right
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:38:49 UTC No. 16294216
>>16294209
Sure but this is for the specific airports both classified and unclassified all over the world. To count for number of jets at any given airport.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:40:00 UTC No. 16294218
>>16294192
It's a neat idea from the little understanding I have of it
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:49:48 UTC No. 16294226
>>16294210
interesting technology but even barring the mass penalty there's no way this could scale. that said I wonder if this could be adapted in some way to those liquid metal reactors especially now that research is going to ramp up again
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 01:54:45 UTC No. 16294229
>>16294205
Why not do it at Stage Zero and do an initial boost for free from stage zero?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:11:56 UTC No. 16294243
If I were to write a letter addressed to an astronaut, it could be sent up to the International Space Station. However, this would likely require a fair amount of co-ordination beforehand. I do not believe NASA would freely send up cargo of this magnitude; not necessarily because of mass constraints but more specifically because of safety concerns.
(For example, you would not want to risk some crazy ‘space is fake’ lunatic sending anthrax to the Station)
A family member? A friend? An elementary school hand-chosen by NASA to write some letters to send up… these are possible.
Anyways, I only bring this up because I find it interesting how on Earth we have USPS, FedEx, UPS, etc. but cargo/mail deliveries of pretty much the exact same scope as this are handled instead by companies such as Northrop Grumman, SpaceX, Sierra Space. I cannot recall an instance of, say, USPS having to coordinate a letter to the ISS. Perhaps one day these scopes will overlap. Companies like Amazon will be able to ship and deliver to the Moon. You could write a letter, casually leave it in the post, and have it delivered to a specific address on Mars.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:12:23 UTC No. 16294245
>>16294229
that would make sense, you would save a lot of delta v on the upper stages. Maybe it could be used as a tug of sorts
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:33:27 UTC No. 16294251
Elon pulled his 45m donations. What a retard. This is worse than not donating at all. The regulations will worsen.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:36:58 UTC No. 16294257
>>16294251
I heard he castrated your child as well and eat our his organs. Washington Post reported that for me. Can I get a confirmation from you?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:40:15 UTC No. 16294261
>>16294251
He never did any that shit in the first place, amazing how both lefttards and righttards can't verify facts for themselves
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18159
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
This is beyond dumb.
I never said was donating $45M/month to Trump – that was a totally fake @WSJ
article!
How can back down from something that never happened!!??
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:40:32 UTC No. 16294262
>>16294251
My understanding was he monetarily helped form a PAC that supports Trump.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:42:54 UTC No. 16294264
>>16294262
He supports America PAC. with $45M. Its a pac that supports politicians that support merit based principles. Regardless of republican or democrat. Its largely going towards republicans because democrats think merit = racism by large. So it mostly goes towards trump by proxy.
He never donated to Trump directly (it just happens trump benefits from it). He didn't rescind donation to Trump.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:57:49 UTC No. 16294279
>>16294229
A mhd accelerator attached to the ground wouldn't be able to impart any energy to the stage, no?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:10:16 UTC No. 16294286
>>16294229
That point, why not make your Stage 0 a coilgun? Same pros/cons list.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:13:24 UTC No. 16294289
>>16294251
You read the fortune headline right? You should watch the peterson interview that headline was based on, and try to remember why you have amnesia about having gell-mann amnesia
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:15:29 UTC No. 16294290
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:18:34 UTC No. 16294292
Honestly as long as NASA gets more funding I couldnt care less who is president. DTJ has always been friendly to NASA and if Mark Kelly is VP thats basically guaranteed funding and hes the first choice right now. Shaping up to be a pretty good race for the space race.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:19:31 UTC No. 16294293
>>16294292
Mark Kelley is hostile to Musk and likewise SpaceX as well along with all the other Musk companies
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:21:23 UTC No. 16294295
>>16294292
>if Mark Kelly is VP thats basically guaranteed funding
In what possible universe does that follow any kind of logic?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:21:26 UTC No. 16294296
>>16294292
What's Kelly's opinion on SLS?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:23:21 UTC No. 16294297
>>16294296
Dictated by his anti-Musk leaning.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:24:37 UTC No. 16294298
>>16294295
Yeah I don't get it either. He's an astronaut. So what.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:31:58 UTC No. 16294299
>>16294296
Hmmm, career NASA guy who personally knows every single higher-up plugged in to the SLS/Orion pork barrel? Fat chance of him doing anything but throwing MORE resources at the orange bastard rocket, and scrambling contracts towards “loyal” companies like ULA and Blue Origin at the political cost of SpaceX
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:34:17 UTC No. 16294300
>>16294292
The position of VP is so ceremonial I question the idea of vance influencing trump when he's literally suggested by tech billionaires for that very purpose. Kamala would just tell mark there's no voters in space and that's the end of it. It doesn't make any more political sense for her administration than any other administration. Mark would just look vastly more credible being a figurehead that interacts with the space agency than kamala interacting with border patrol, I guess that counts for something.
Also 1% of that money would be spent on things you want as usual
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:35:15 UTC No. 16294301
>>16294299
>Fat chance of him doing anything but throwing MORE resources at the orange bastard rocket, and scrambling contracts towards “loyal” companies like ULA and Blue Origin
it's not great but it beats doing nothing. at least missions will get funding and spacex is in a rather unique place of being able to fund their own shit
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:36:54 UTC No. 16294302
>>16294300
>Kamala would just tell mark there's no voters in space and that's the end of it
It's not even that. This bullshit flows from the legislature, not the executive branch. We'd actually come out ahead if Kelly got out of congress
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:38:10 UTC No. 16294303
0G sex needs to be researched posthaste. It's crucial to long term human habitation. It wouldn't be any more expensive than normal astronaut operations. Why aren't space agencies scheduling this? What are we paying them for?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:38:26 UTC No. 16294304
>>16294292
One of the most retarded takes I've seen in a while. Without Spacex, the US space program is pitiful. The political machine that owns Kamala does not like Musk and will continue to try and hinder him with lawfare and regulatory obstruction.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:39:03 UTC No. 16294305
tfw space society will have to be heavy on government oversight and light on individual freedoms to prevent mass colony death
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:39:46 UTC No. 16294306
>>16294292
NASA is useless and gay and doesn't deserve anymore funding
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:43:58 UTC No. 16294308
>>16294292
Retard
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:52:45 UTC No. 16294311
>>16294301
The money is not enough. They can block them with regulations.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:00:34 UTC No. 16294318
>>16294292
NASA is beyond saving lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:02:07 UTC No. 16294320
>>16294293
Proof or just BS you made up
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:02:17 UTC No. 16294321
>>16294318
This, it needs immediate defunding
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:03:14 UTC No. 16294324
/sfg/ is sleeping on the importance of the vp, it was more pence than trump that drove the space stuff. Would assume that Kelly would be good for NASA.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:05:10 UTC No. 16294327
>>16294324
Same, he seems like he's level-headed enough to understand the importance of SpaceX for NASA and the nations space policy which as VP he would mostly oversee as head of the National Space Council
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:06:10 UTC No. 16294328
>>16294327
Although just cause he's level headed on the border issue might not mean he would be for space/NASA but better chance maybe
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:07:58 UTC No. 16294330
The only requirement for the advancement of spaceflight now is for the government to get the fuck out of the way. Unfortunately governments are not good at that.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:12:30 UTC No. 16294334
>>16294327
This is the exact line of doubletalk that John McCain always pulled; he'd draw a hard line about a subject like the border when he was on the campaign trail and then immediately abandon the issue as soon as electron season had passed. I can guarantee you that his voting record is deeply at odds with his rhetoric. The only thing you can trust a "level headed" politico like him to do is be loyal to whatever special interest is ticking his prostate that week. As head of the National Space Council he'd be no better an advocate than Harris was.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:15:56 UTC No. 16294335
>>16294330
SpaceX is supposedly already profiting more money per year than NASA's total exploration budget. All the government needs to do is get out of the way. How fucking fast have we gone from
>only government can do it
to
>government is the only reason it hasn't happened already
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:16:19 UTC No. 16294336
>>16294334
Nah he's in Arizona so he pushed Biden on border security constantly and was against his repeal of Title 42 says in the full article https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:26:11 UTC No. 16294337
>>16294336
John McCain was from Arizona and pushed Washington on border security constantly right up until he had to actually vote for it. Kelly is no different. The man is a snake and in Washington he's only going to be a voice for the usual lineup of cost plus fraudsters. Why are you shilling for someone who'd fuck Boeing for a kickback?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:27:48 UTC No. 16294339
>>16294337
He did vote for the last bill that the rs killed cuz they'd rather blame the ds.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:31:13 UTC No. 16294341
space fart genital
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 04:34:23 UTC No. 16294343
>>16294335
>SpaceX is supposedly already profiting more money per year than NASA's total exploration budget.
If you mean that $15 billion from Starlink thing, that's obviously wrong because first it's just revenue and second that's obviously bullshit, with 3 million subscribers you can do simple maths to see that this year's revenue is going to be around $3.5 billion, maybe 4 or 5 with maritime/aviation/military stuff.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 05:00:22 UTC No. 16294356
>>16294149
>it's based
They want to ban porn.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 05:01:28 UTC No. 16294357
>>16294356
Good
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 05:25:27 UTC No. 16294362
>>16294145
It's a shame Trump denounced this :(
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 05:37:57 UTC No. 16294372
>>16294343
It's not just from Starlink it's from everything, and it's a reasonable estimate. They have lots of deals with airlines and cruise companies coming to fruition this year, I think everyone underestimates how much that is worth
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 06:26:12 UTC No. 16294401
Nothing ever happens.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:05:44 UTC No. 16294464
>>16294147
Indeed. And it's not just science and culture.
Right now, there is a plenty of old judges with relatively conservative values, even if they themselves lean Dem.
But almost all law graduates will be dems, a lot of them hardline leftists. They will eventually make any form of what you would consider "conservative" completely illegal and protect progressives unquestionably (much like in EU).
I do not believe anything can be done to fix it. All institutions are deliberately designed to prevent any form of correction.
Even armed insurrection civil war isn't an option. Your typical future core (far) right winger is not just (formally) uneducated, but also unfit, untrained and unorganized.
It used to be that military would be core value of right wingers. Now they "refuse to die for Israel" and as such will get dronestriked for sports by multiracial NAFO trannies as they aimlessly ran around the woods.
The gay retards are right in a sense that conservatives are ultimately the losing side.
At best they conserve status quo as it is now.
Realistically they will keep losing battles until they whittle down all conservative values, one by one. And conservatives will adopt these values as the new status quo.
And the conservatives will fight tooth and nail to protect that status quo from "far right regressive".
Even Islamism will eventually become gay and retarded.
Gulf Arabs are becoming more and more liberal. Ironically, European Muslims are often more conservative than the Middle Eastern urbanites.
Sorry for political sperging.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:20:04 UTC No. 16294476
>>16294324
He weathered the basedjak attacks. He can beat anything.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:46:19 UTC No. 16294482
>>16294476
Man, we need some fresh memes. Even politician faggots are using wojacks and chads.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:54:16 UTC No. 16294485
>>16294482
They diden't even use the meme properly its supposed to represent the supporters not the candidates lol
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:57:10 UTC No. 16294486
>>16294327
>>16294324
He is an astronaut, he might keep blowing money on the SLS but why would he hate spaceX? Why would an astronaut not like the idea of cheap launchers and the only viable space shuttle replacement?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 09:21:29 UTC No. 16294496
>>16294251
>>16294261
Most people’s understanding of musk is surface level at best.
Because the media coverage of musk is (purposely) misrepresented surface level bullshit, where they want you to be confused and angry and unable to understand him.
Unfortunately it works on most people.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 09:42:08 UTC No. 16294500
>>16294486
He has EDS
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 09:43:34 UTC No. 16294501
>>16294486
Just because he's a former astronaut, doesn't mean he's capable from escaping the tentacles of the cost plus cartel. They will have a firm grip on space policy.
Trump's record on space is proven, why the fuck would you gamble on that. His recent comments on the Falcon 9 booster landings indicate he wants more of SpaceX, and that will transfer over to Vance.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:05:47 UTC No. 16294508
>>16294486
SX represents a risk to internal NASA jobs that are intimately tied to oldspace projects
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:06:09 UTC No. 16294509
>>16294501
Trump didn't do shit regarding space, I guess doing nothing is better than trying to prevent spacex.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:12:06 UTC No. 16294514
What is this Trump vs Harris shit? The DoD is going to have a far greater say into the future of SpaceX than either administration. We have heard multiple sources that the higher ups at the DoD are extremely interested in the potential of Starship. If the DoD wants SpaceX to get contracts, Harris isn't going to tell them no unless she wants to visit Dallas for a day.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:26:48 UTC No. 16294521
>>16294482
>he's used wojaks and chads before
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:36:12 UTC No. 16294523
>>16294335
You misunderstood the news. Starlink is projected to make 6.9 billion this year. Thats about nasa's human spaceflight budget, not the budget of all of nasa.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:41:08 UTC No. 16294524
uhh why is Elon suddenly making a u-turn on Trump?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:45:49 UTC No. 16294526
>>16294482
I stand with the frog
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:45:59 UTC No. 16294527
>>16294501
In case people don't know Armstrong spoke against government funding private manned space in his senate testimony.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl
>Instead, the new plan would put billions towards helping private companies develop their own rockets and spacecraft, which could then serve as taxis to take astronauts to and from the International Space Station.
>But Armstrong cautioned that it would likely be much more expensive and take much longer than space industry companies claim for them to develop such space taxis.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:50:39 UTC No. 16294531
>>16294524
he isn't, the original reporting was just misleading which should be expected from WSJ
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:53:34 UTC No. 16294533
>>16294292
NASA doesn't need more funding, you fucking mongoloid.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:58:27 UTC No. 16294535
>>16294324
No. You're a retard. He's just a continuation Biden/Harris camp. Hostility to SpaceX is his camp's main game. That means denying contracts, endless lawsuits, frivolous delays, more regulations, etc
Look at the other team. Trump is Pro-Space, PRO-SPACEX, Pro-Musk. Trump is a businessman too, so he understands the plight of other businessmen of everyday Americans who need jobs and better financial security. Further Vance is a techno-progressive (ironically as a conservative). He's friends with Peter Thiel, he has has 2nd order ties with Musk, he's a an entrepeneur, venture capitalist, etc. He's right up Musk's alley and understands how businesses are run.
The ticket to a better future isn't the status quo. Thats dogshit reality. The ticket to better future is with a pro-business friendly pro-space, pro-spacex leadership.
>>16294514
Look at how the insiders in DoD treated SpaceX during the Biden admin. They tried sabotaging Starlink so hard. Only civilian needs of Starlink carried Starlink. The Biden DoD refused to pay Starlink any money either for Rural internet (to develop internet for rural) or to pay for the military operations in Ukraine (for nearly a year into the war) and then carried out a character assassination attempts when the negotiations were unfolding behind the scenes.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:59:28 UTC No. 16294536
>>16294524
>>16294531
Misleading original story
Misleading correction story
They refuse to tell you the truth. >>16294264
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:05:17 UTC No. 16294538
>>16294330
>>16294335
Get out the way
+
Fairness in competition requirements (not equity of outcome)
>>16294327
This is also bullshit. He's talking about a bill that would have paved way towards legalizing all the current illegal immigrants + more illegal legalization in the future. Thats legalizing illegal border crossing. You're only hearing his double talks, like all the democrats do.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:06:35 UTC No. 16294540
>>16294523
I mixed it up with SpaceX revenue but still, who knows the margins on their launches. They're getting close to that figure and I don't expect it'll suddenly trend down
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:07:50 UTC No. 16294541
>>16294330
>government to get the fuck out of the way
Those government launch contracts are valuable thoughever
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:15:15 UTC No. 16294544
>>16294486
He's part of the Biden party thats actively launched dozens of lawsuits/investigations into Musk after Biden told his party to look into Musk.
He's going to keep the lawfare harassment of Musk's companies to appease his party primarily and because he has no real power by himself. The one that might have power is the president and even then, Kamala is merely a Biden surrogate, so she will keep everything he has already done and then double down on things the party wants her to do, which is to shutdown SpaceX.
There is no path towards a better space industry with those two in charge, with this party in charge of the government.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:16:34 UTC No. 16294547
>>16294508
This.
>>16294514
The Space Industrial Complex only cares about what the DoD wants when it means they get DoD contracts. But "Space Guy Bad" isn't part of their cabal, so it doesn't matter if DoD wants something that he makes.
They don't care about going to other planets, or doing cool stuff in space in general, they just want more cost-plus contracts that accomplish nothing so that they can get more contracts to accomplish nothing.
Why do you think we did fucking nothing but Shittle and ISS for fifty fucking years? Expensive, but just keeps doing the same thing year after year. Sure, there were a few JPL Mars missions on the side, but those don't cut into the SIC pork supply, and they know how to stretch the pork too.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:24:12 UTC No. 16294552
>US will cripple its own domestic space industry while China will have uncontested control over space
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:38:47 UTC No. 16294565
>>16294552
Speaking of, who's gonna be the BYD of chinese spaceflight?
It might be too soon to tell but I'm like to hear some predictions.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:51:43 UTC No. 16294572
>>16294527
First man on the moon and a fucking faggot. You hate to see it.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:55:22 UTC No. 16294576
>>16294552
Oh well, at least someone is going to do it I guess. Bugman space communism better than the crab niggers dooming our entire species.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:02:56 UTC No. 16294581
>>16294552
Now that Trump has 0 chances to win this year, it really looks like the decline will continue.
Quite sad.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:32:40 UTC No. 16294604
>>16294581
Trump obsession syndrome
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:33:48 UTC No. 16294607
>>16294604
I'm just realistic
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:34:04 UTC No. 16294608
>>16294544
It's never been more donover
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:46:32 UTC No. 16294624
>>16294544
Kamala is the most popular president of the last 20 years. She won VP and now she'll win P. SEETHE
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:53:29 UTC No. 16294628
>>16294527
Can't believe he watched the trend down from 1970 to 2010 and still believed this. I wish he lived long enough to see how wrong he was.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:58:44 UTC No. 16294634
>>16294613
/pol/ leaking is cancerous but what can you do.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:01:12 UTC No. 16294637
>>16294552
I wonder if they'll get real when China starts surpassing them or if they'll keep the same level of efficiency but with more money pumped into it
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:03:17 UTC No. 16294638
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
>In Griffin’s case, he would return the country to the cozy confines of 2008, just before the era of commercial space took off and when he was at the height of his power before being removed as NASA administrator. Griffin's plan for an accelerated lunar mission, in short, calls for: Two launches of the Space Launch System, Block II rocket, A Centaur III upper stage, An Orion spacecraft, A two-stage, storable-propellant lunar lander
How does /sfg/ like the griffin plan?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:05:15 UTC No. 16294641
>>16294638
Griffin is either a retard or a grifter.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:12:03 UTC No. 16294647
>>16294638
Griffin hates commercial spaceflight and the free market. He should be executed
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:13:21 UTC No. 16294648
>>16294613
I miss him
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:14:21 UTC No. 16294649
>>16294648
>unironed flag
cringe
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:15:54 UTC No. 16294652
How come American government projects are so dysfunctional? Somehow in China they manage to do things on time.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:16:30 UTC No. 16294655
>>16294649
Do they have an iron up there?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:19:22 UTC No. 16294658
>>16294544
>Biden party thats actively launched dozens of lawsuits/investigations into Musk after Biden told his party to look into Musk.
lmao
most of those were started before that moment or were the result of Musk companies fucking around and finding out. The only things that seem politically motivated are the weird Starlink DoD stuff and the overly hasty RDOF denial (although denial would likely have been the end result anyways, Starlink is probably just barely not good enough until the deadline).
>>16294652
Doesn't LM10 or whichever the Starship competitor is supposed to be get redesigned just about every year and delayed accordingly?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:21:56 UTC No. 16294659
>>16294648
cracker box floating near the ceiling lol
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:22:57 UTC No. 16294660
>>16294658
no there was a long list of absolute bullshit, not just the starlink thing
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:25:53 UTC No. 16294663
>>16294660
>most of those were started before that moment or were the result of Musk companies fucking around and finding out
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:28:07 UTC No. 16294665
>>16294663
no they werent and they weren't about fucking around and finding out, they were absolute bullshit lawfare
an egregrious example would be the asylum seeker lawsuit by DOJ
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:28:21 UTC No. 16294666
>>16294658
That's just one rocket, and the one you meant is LM9, meanwhile Chinese have recently recovered samples from the far side of the Moon. LM10, which is actually real, is the one that will enable China manned exploration of the Moon. In June their have performed a static fire of the 1st stage.
https://spacenews.com/china-takes-s
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:28:51 UTC No. 16294667
>>16294658
>although denial would likely have been the end result anyways
How would it have been the end result given that its not supposed to measure the results until next year or the year after? Starlink has 3M customers online with avg speeds of ~100-150Mbps and avg latency close to 20-30ms. Thats perfectly align with the requirements.
Dumb niggers
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:37:32 UTC No. 16294672
>>16294638
>complex
I fucking hate these people so much
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:37:46 UTC No. 16294673
>>16294662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBD
SFN has a feed with a lot less talking
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:38:09 UTC No. 16294674
>>16294464
Damn you've really taken the doomer demoralization dildo very far up the ass
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:42:32 UTC No. 16294676
>>16294638
Dumb.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:51:53 UTC No. 16294685
>>16294613
what does inbred miles chong have to save about this?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:51:58 UTC No. 16294686
>>16294665
They were
>an egregrious example would be the asylum seeker lawsuit by DOJ
That is precisely an example of what I mean. The investigation for this was started under Trump, and while it was probably more lack of knowledge than intentionally fucking around, it could've been resolved easily by just doing what the DOJ demanded, i.e. adjusting hiring standards to US Persons, which is what the law requires every other private rocket company does and SpaceX also started doing as a result. Had they just handed over the requested data this would've been resolved easily years ago but they didn't so the DOJ had to sue. It is entirely a result of not following the law and being obtuse about it and it's not singling out SpaceX either because Raytheon (or another big defence contractor) got clapped for it as well.
>>16294667
>avg speeds of ~100-150Mbps
not in the US as required for RDOF, that's the entire problem. Latency is fine but they can't make the bandwith numbers with the current sats and Starship is unlikely to be ready to fix it before the deadline. They should've just put the money in escrow until the deadline, that's why I think that one is politically motivated, but Starlink does not meet the requirements currently.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:53:09 UTC No. 16294688
>>16294677
Which is why extra NASA funding is good, alleviates pressure to allow SCIENCE missions to go up and feeds more pork off to SpaceX via the HLS contract. If that new money from a certain VP or President (Not Kamala) gets through, those would be literally the only two things it would go to and saying otherwise is just discounting the truth.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:56:00 UTC No. 16294692
>>16294686
>defending the federal government on four channel dot org
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:56:18 UTC No. 16294693
>>16294686
>not in the US as required for RDOF, that's the entire problem
According to whomst? According to reports from 3 years ago when the funding was pulled from some website where Starlink was just being deployed? LMAO
>current sats and Starship is unlikely
According to whomst?
>They should've just put the money in escrow
They didn't for any of the other companies. They instead decided to cancel Starlink funding 4 years prior to the actual deadline. This is 100% a political move and you're a tranny pozzed brain for trying to claim its not.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:00:37 UTC No. 16294696
>>16294688
They need more money and a proper administration, but doing the former without the latter won't improve things significantly. They need to fire underperformers and increase salaries so competent people will stop fleeing to private companies.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:03:39 UTC No. 16294700
>>16294544
It probably would help if Elon stopped being a retard on twitter
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:03:51 UTC No. 16294701
>>16294666
>>16294658
LM10's first test flight is scheduled for 2027 and it is only the single core LEO config.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:04:40 UTC No. 16294702
>>16294700
It would help more if the current adiministration wasn't full of corrupt retards.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:07:05 UTC No. 16294708
>>16294702
And other side is going to be suddenly better? This time for sure?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:10:24 UTC No. 16294711
>>16294708
as long as they don't get in the way, yes
for instance the Obama administration was not hostile towards Musk
it matters, admins aren't the same
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:10:28 UTC No. 16294712
>>16294693
>According to whomst?
Freely available data from ookla as recently as end of '23. And if that wasn't the good data, why wasn't SpaceX able to provide data disproving it after being requested to?
>According to whomst?
Your lying eyes
>They didn't for any of the other companies.
Because Starlink had additional requirements due to the whole satellites thing being considered unproven from the start, this was known to SpaceX. And yes, they shouldn't have fully cancelled it before the deadline, at most frozen it until then.
>This is 100% a political move and you're a tranny pozzed brain for trying to claim its not.
Maybe you should reread my post.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:10:47 UTC No. 16294713
>>16294708
It was last time, yeah.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:13:01 UTC No. 16294715
>>16294708
The current admin is the most corrupt admin in the last 100 years. Not just the Hunter Biden and the Biden family buying/selling influence in Ukraine elections, overthrowing prosecutors that were investigating corruption, etc. Then you have the cocaine in white house, then you have the DHS/whitehouse/DOJ hiding/delaying these corruption charges for statue of limitation to pass, then you have the Biden remark about going after Musk, an American citizen. Then you have the admin going after Trump with various political lawsuits to stop him from being in the ballot. Then you have the various censorship cases where they colluded with tech companies to censor the internet thats critical of his admin. And the various media that acts to cover up everything. Then you have the Facebook censorship for EU deal with Biden admin.
Its an endless sea of corruption day in day out.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:17:25 UTC No. 16294719
>>16294715
If people cared they would protest against that corruption.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:18:17 UTC No. 16294721
>>16294719
They are, thats why they're electing Trump. While you eat the goyslop propaganda media that claims there is nothing there, majority of America sees Biden as the worst president ever.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:22:45 UTC No. 16294728
>>16294712
Ookla data is mix of rural and urban. Or residential and roaming. Etc. Rural ROF fund is for rural internet.
Dumb ass. Data is poisoned.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:24:27 UTC No. 16294730
>>16294712
>Because Starlink had additional requirements due to the whole satellites thing being considered unproven from the start
I find it hard to believe when every few weeks you hear about airline or shipping company signing a deal with Starlink.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:24:38 UTC No. 16294731
>>16294728
Yes, but then SpaceX should've been able to provide the good rural-only data as they were offered the possibility to, yet they didn't.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:26:59 UTC No. 16294732
>>16294731
They didn't because it was never asked. The decision to shutdown SpaceX funding was a sole political one with no debate or anything, not even within the FCC insiders. It was a day 0 decision by the newly FCC admin without any consultation.
They were deemed to not qualify 4-5 years prior to actual qualification deadline based upon political play.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:31:22 UTC No. 16294737
>>16294730
The decision was before that and airlines and ships can't have access to wired solutions that Starlink competed with in RDOF. I think the way they cancelled the money was stupid and reeks of politics but Starlink was only allowed in on a technicality with additional requirements in the first place and apparently they couldn't prove that they could hit the numbers.
>>16294732
>They didn't because it was never asked.
It was asked though, why do you have to make up shit that isn't true? The FCC said they used ookla data because they had nothing better, SpaceX said that's not good, the FCC offered to let them provide their own better data, but they never did, so they had to stick with the ookla stuff indicating that Starlink wasn't hitting the numbers it needed.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:32:04 UTC No. 16294739
>>16294708
Trump admin was objectively the best for spaceflight in decades you dumb baiting niggerfaggot. Thank God for Biden's transition team taking half a year to replace Trump's NASA appointments. God bless Steve Jurczyk
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:32:48 UTC No. 16294741
>>16294732
Here's the actual dissent voice from FCC comissioner. It was solely targeted at Musk without.
They requires Starlink to give REASONABLE path towards 100Mbps for 40% of the subscribers. Its not even 100% but rather 40%. If average is only 70Mbps at the time, they could simply cut off 40% of the lowest result and you'd get 60% meeting the 100Mbps easily. But they targeted SpaceX because of politics.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:33:55 UTC No. 16294743
>>16294739
>Steve Jurczyk
May he rest in peace.
I still remember that day, I fully expected National Team to win.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:34:47 UTC No. 16294744
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:38:47 UTC No. 16294748
>>16294737
>It was asked though, why do you have to make up shit that isn't true?
You're rewriting reality. The decision was done without any consultation with anyone except the Biden admin.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/commissi
This comes from another FCC comissioner where he didn't find out about the revoking until after. There wasn't any voting or discussion taking place at all. It was a unilateral decision by the new admin.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:41:42 UTC No. 16294751
>>16294737
>The FCC said they used ookla data because they had nothing better, SpaceX said that's not good, the FCC offered to let them provide their own better data, but they never did, so they had to stick with the ookla stuff indicating that Starlink wasn't hitting the numbers it needed.
Again, you're rewriting the sequence of events to fit your own political narrative.
There wasn't any asking of SpaceX for data. The admin went with their political narrative first, picked and chose one data point to use and then didn't do any sort of comprehensive analysis. Just flat out revoked Starlink contract on the basis that SpaceX couldn't deliver 4 years down the line. Without any request for information from SpaceX. Without any consultation with other FCC members. Without any voting. Without any consideration.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:45:43 UTC No. 16294755
>>16294751
Further when SpaceX objected, they just voted along the political line to reject the objection all together.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:49:45 UTC No. 16294758
>>16294711
Musk wasn't boosting and liking nazi retards on twitter or having shady labor practices back then
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:51:32 UTC No. 16294763
>>16294758
>not liking racist policies is being a nazi
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:51:45 UTC No. 16294764
>>16294759
To me personally this feels like an asteroid mining situation. Too early, too much overhead, not enough ROI to justify it being in space when being on the ground is far cheaper even if Starship did $10/kg (which it currently doesnt)
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:55:33 UTC No. 16294766
>>16294758
First off, based. Second, free speech :)
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:57:06 UTC No. 16294767
>>16294759
In theory, it makes sense with wireless beam energy. But practically I dont see a near term path to usability.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:57:27 UTC No. 16294769
>>16294741
>>16294748
>>16294751
Carr is hilarious. He claims the additional requirements were made up but they were known to SpaceX before the awards. Also citing European Starlink speeds as if they matter. And if those voluminous test showing hitting performance exists, where are they? Also I find it funny that he still claims today that no home has been connected under RDOF when Spectrum already has months back. I really hope he gets money from Musk for this.
>You're rewriting reality.
No, page 9, point 30 onwards of the ultimate denial that that dissent is from pretty much states this.
Look, as I keep saying I agree that the RDOF decision was made politically and was stupid, they should've rather made a carveout for LEO constellations that can provide immediate access, but when rigidly sticking to the requirements of RDOF, Starlink didn't meet them and seems unlikely to be able to meet them by the deadline. It was a surprise they even got considered, the whole thing just came a few years too early and was just barely out of reach. If the requirement was 50 Mbps or even 75 instead of 100, Starlink would've breezed that no issue.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:59:52 UTC No. 16294772
>>16294769
>when rigidly sticking to the requirements of RDOF
There wasn't any rigidity. The contract only requires reasonable path forward. And only 40% of the 640K customers they bid on. Not 100%. So SpaceX could simply pick and choose those 40% and it would easily meet both the hard requirement of 40% and the reasonable requirement of tech demonstrations where they have millions of customers in US alone.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:01:59 UTC No. 16294775
>>16294772
And thats also from the poisoned ookla data where they were mixing rural and urban data. If they only chose rural people, that would likely meet the 100Mbps without even cutting off for the the 40% mark.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:04:29 UTC No. 16294779
The most corrupt admin needs to be removed entirely. FCC admin needs to be fired. NASA admin needs to be fired. The whole of white house needs to be fired.
Space industry is being held back by communist ideology
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:12:05 UTC No. 16294781
>>16294772
Yes that's why I say rigidly sticking to (the "top-line" 100 Mbps requirement) and political decision. I just don't quite trust Carr because he seems to not use all the proper facts and nowhere does SpaceX appear to even argue about those 40%.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:13:41 UTC No. 16294783
>>16294759
It would literally be cheaper to do this on the ground and beam it to space.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:14:57 UTC No. 16294784
>>16294783
Too much loss of power from ground due to atmospheric distortion + distance power/focus loss.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:19:39 UTC No. 16294789
i wish AOC was president
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:23:30 UTC No. 16294794
>>16294789
fuck AOC
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:23:52 UTC No. 16294795
>>16294789
I wish /pol/ retards would fuck off back to their containment board.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:26:41 UTC No. 16294799
>>16294794
Dont mind if I do!
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:27:32 UTC No. 16294802
>>16294092
>Companies developing new rockets these days are like children herp derp derp derp derp
RL makes a fraction of their money from launches. They have a massive system for building a large array of custom hardware. You can even go to them with specifications of a satellite you want and they can do everything start to finish and get it in orbit.
Stop hating on RL, who is actually trying to do things, while other shit companies are smoke and mirrors. At least RL has put numerous payloads in space, very few can claim that.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:28:46 UTC No. 16294805
>>16294686
>which is what the law requires every other private rocket company does
The DOJ suit against spacex was seen as egregious for the simple fact that many other industries and xompnies under ITAR don't ever like to touch anyone who isn't a US citizen. They sure as fuck aren't going to consider "asylum seekers" for employment because it's damn near impossible to vet such a candidate.
They went after SpaceX based in a technicality, not because they where doing things out of line with the rest of the industry.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:38:07 UTC No. 16294821
>>16294784
In the real world efficiency is measured in dollars. The losses literally do not matter when compared to the cost of infrastructure in space.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:42:11 UTC No. 16294825
>>16294802
Hi there /biz/
Or, even worse, do you work there?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:54:25 UTC No. 16294834
>>16294805
>gov creates byzantine regulations that contradict with each other and add more byzantine mazes each month
>companies try to follow best standard industry practice
>single company gets targeted due to current admin calling for harassment of the company
>using byzantine laws to target them
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:00:59 UTC No. 16294842
>>16294832
>america shoots itself
Don't forget the end goal is the complete dismantling of SpaceX and selling its technology to foreign countries for quick buck like they did in the 70s and 80s with offshoring manufacturing.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:03:45 UTC No. 16294847
>>16294832
SpaceX was neither guaranteed nor deserved. China will justifiably claim land on the moon and the US will be unable to do anything about it despite having the components of a modern space program handed to them. We live in old people land. They already went to the moon, their aerospace companies are making them money. And then they will be dead. And why would they care what happens after that
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:09:10 UTC No. 16294852
>>16294846
Not spaceflight kill yourself immediatly
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:11:12 UTC No. 16294855
>>16294852
Elon in Washington meeting politicians seems pretty relevant with respect to all the discussion here
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:12:50 UTC No. 16294858
>>16294855
fuck off with your 6 degrees of kevin bacon bullshit. it's clearly not spaceflight. I don't care if you can contrive some path between it and spaceflight.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:14:33 UTC No. 16294861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni3
thread theme
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:22:00 UTC No. 16294867
>>16294846
Kiss the ring
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:23:20 UTC No. 16294868
>>16294264
>supports politicians that support merit based principles
so it is just a virtue-signaling savings fund with no danger of ever having a withdrawal. got it
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:25:03 UTC No. 16294870
>>16294868
No, its a merit spending funds. This is to deliver the punch for those who support merit based policies with legitimate financial support. Not hearts and prayers/virtue signaling.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:36:11 UTC No. 16294881
>>16293907
>what could have been.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:39:32 UTC No. 16294885
>>16294881
If development had started on the F-1B it probably would have proposed as a main engine for the Vulcan instead of the AR1.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:46:02 UTC No. 16294891
>>16294881
If they decided to at least fly the F-1A then NASA would still hold a record for the most powerful rocket engine.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:59:25 UTC No. 16294902
>>16294891
The RD-175's 9800 kN has a slight edge over the F-1A's proposed 9200 kN.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:04:35 UTC No. 16294908
>>16294867
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/18
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:05:49 UTC No. 16294910
>>16294902
>RD-175 with 9800 kN thrust for proposed Energia-K rocket
That's just a proposal, F-1A was actually tested.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:07:15 UTC No. 16294911
>>16294908
>this is the last hope of the American spaceflight
it's truly over
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:08:50 UTC No. 16294915
I would actually like SLS if it was using F-1B boosters instead of those gay solids
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:12:25 UTC No. 16294919
>>16294908
Love this narwal guy, and ian miles chong, and the dogefather
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:13:43 UTC No. 16294921
>>16294910
So was the RD-171MV. The Soyuz-5 is never going to be a thing, but the engine is still on the test stand hitting the performance figures.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:13:51 UTC No. 16294922
>>16294908
Makes sense. They speak and go way back
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:20:52 UTC No. 16294928
>>16294881
The AR1 would have been a better choice.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:22:40 UTC No. 16294930
>Rocketdyne anticipated an uprated version ofthe Saturn V
• Developed F-1A
• 1.5M lbf à 1.65M lbf à 1.8M lbf
• 2 F-1A engines produced
• Rocketdyne anticipated 䇾go-ahead䇿 from NASA in 1965, could
deliver flight qualified engines by the end of 1969.
• Funding peaked in 1966 then fell off rapidly due to lack of followon missions, need for heavy payloads
God damn it
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:33:34 UTC No. 16294942
>>16294930
Go back chink
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:52:28 UTC No. 16294952
AHHHHHH THERES NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK SOMEBODY MAKE UP LIES SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:52:47 UTC No. 16294953
>>16294789
>wanting a brown middle aged sour HR lady as president
kill yourself you subhuman
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:55:01 UTC No. 16294957
>>16294952
falcon 9 is flying tomorrow.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:56:10 UTC No. 16294958
>>16293438
i dont know but maybe it would make sense to park cargo starships in moon orbit and there they get refueled with hydrogen and oxygen made on the moon and when the launch window to mars is open they all fly to mars. that way you dont have to do all mars launches in a very short time frame which needs a lot more launche infrastructure and it is less likely that the launch frequency gets regulated down because of environmental concern and noise pollution. maybe it would even make sense to produce some stuff on moon and send it to the starships in moon orbit since you can launch a lot more from moon orbit to mars than from earth.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:57:20 UTC No. 16294961
>>16294527
the man who made Elon cry
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:58:43 UTC No. 16294965
>>16294958
It would be way easier to just have prop depots in earth orbit.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:00:27 UTC No. 16294968
Hello. I would like to return from space. It stinks up here.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:07:19 UTC No. 16294971
>>16294957
It's not.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:19:06 UTC No. 16294984
>>16294858
>kevin bacon
Who?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:20:14 UTC No. 16294986
>>16294292
NASA needs less funding, and more freedom.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:21:05 UTC No. 16294987
>>16294908
Why can't you post the screenshot?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:44:12 UTC No. 16295016
>>16294958
>Refueling Starship with hydrogen
I can see one little problem with that.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:47:08 UTC No. 16295019
>>16294965
It's going to be funny when Starship is mature and we have these absurdly low launch costs and it finally proves the cheapest way to do everything down to raw materials is just launch them from Earth
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:54:45 UTC No. 16295027
>>16295023
No blueballing from the Limp.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:55:07 UTC No. 16295028
>>16295023
Why does bezos stick with the old space cretin so long?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:56:07 UTC No. 16295031
>>16295028
he was busy with amazon and ignored BO pretty much
something about a philosophy of doing one thing 100%
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:56:07 UTC No. 16295032
>>16295023
Why did bezos stick with the old space cretin so long?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:04:21 UTC No. 16295040
>>16294858
Boomer alert
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:05:29 UTC No. 16295042
>>16294953
She's hot af
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:11:08 UTC No. 16295054
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:13:22 UTC No. 16295064
Can anybody pls post the meme with Musk, Bezos and Rogozin pissing against a wall but Rogozin is pissing in his own mouth
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:16:27 UTC No. 16295070
>>16295064
He is a tranny now
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:21:34 UTC No. 16295076
>>16295064
the best version of that was the one with Elon pissing into orbit
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:26:10 UTC No. 16295082
>>16294846
>>16294908
>elon is making israel's spaceflight great again
we are so fucking back jewish space laser bros
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:28:41 UTC No. 16295087
>>16294759
>provides space-to-space power
>gives spacecraft 5x to 10x power than they'd be able to generate on their own
it seems like a useful idea for some situations but im not sure if there is a market yet. this could be one of those ideas that was born too early.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:29:30 UTC No. 16295088
>>16295023
looks like BO will stop Bobbing about and finally start Limping forward
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:29:31 UTC No. 16295089
>>16294987
That's a video with sound.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:32:43 UTC No. 16295093
>>16295082
Absolutely pathetic
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:39:27 UTC No. 16295103
>>16295099
does he even like berger? what about foust?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:39:51 UTC No. 16295104
>>16295103
there might be a few exceptions
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:41:58 UTC No. 16295106
https://x.com/GlobalWatchCGTN/statu
First actual water molecule detected in lunar sample from China.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:43:14 UTC No. 16295108
>>16295087
Launch costs lowering enough to make this feasible would also make it possible to just give your sat a better power supply. I don't see the use
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:43:48 UTC No. 16295109
>>16295088
CARLOSSSS
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:44:52 UTC No. 16295111
>>16295106
We're definitely just going to need to send Starship tankers full of water, aren't we? There's no way any useful amount of water can be squeezed out of that dust ball
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:45:59 UTC No. 16295113
>“We are preparing to build a lunar scientific research station at the south pole of the moon. This scientific research station will be combined with an orbital station and a lunar surface station, plus ground facilities such as the headquarters for major scientific projects.”
https://spacenews.com/china-wants-5
china is building their own version of gateway too? do we know anything about it? i assume that unlike artemis, they'll start work on it after they land people on the moon.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:47:11 UTC No. 16295118
>>16295113
Yep. They want boots on ground first directly.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:51:54 UTC No. 16295121
>>16295108
my guess is that it could be most useful for space stations which will have more variable power requirements compared to satellites.
say some organization wants to test a power hungry project on a space station, then they can elect to buy some extra power from this orbital energy grid rather than bring extra batteries. with fewer extra batteries needed then you can squeeze more the project onto the station. it seems pretty situational but its a nice option to have just in case.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:04:58 UTC No. 16295143
>>16295113
If a nation with any degree of prestige is doing something, Chinese envy will kick in and the bugs will insist that not only are they going to do that thing, they're going to do it way better. This is a critical weakness. It's exactly what got the Soviets into trouble when the Kremlin insisted that they replicate the shuttle program.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:09:40 UTC No. 16295153
>>16294779
this
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:12:19 UTC No. 16295163
>>16295143
a moon base is super expensive but china has 4x the population of the US, so while the US might barely be able to afford it, china might definitely be able to afford it
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:37:23 UTC No. 16295209
>>16295121
That is such an unbelievably niche application that it may be cheaper to just bring up extra batteries. Either way it would cheaper to beam it from the ground instead of space
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:39:05 UTC No. 16295212
>>16295121
You'd need the sat to align with the station, which can be an expensive process in terms of d/V.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:47:23 UTC No. 16295226
https://x.com/i/spaces/1mrGmMpXYDgG
NASA/Spaceflight imagine space
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:59:34 UTC No. 16295251
>How the fuck do you manage to become more expensive and less capable than the Saturn V despite having 4 decades to learn from it?
>Charlie Camarda: Simple. You stop funding applied research and pour the bulk of your budget into wasteful human Spaceflight programs managed by nontechnical program managers. Change from a research culture to a production culture. We are no longer a learning organization. Meaning do not change from a research to a production culture.
https://x.com/CharlieCamarda/status
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 21:13:02 UTC No. 16295265
>>16295251
I think this is just the way of all bureaucracies, NASA is not special in any regard
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 21:23:29 UTC No. 16295272
>>16294045
>Martians... Martians could be anywhere he thought
>With a starship you can go anywhere you want
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 21:24:28 UTC No. 16295273
>>16295251
Production should be a learning culture. Instead it became an administrative culture. When you stop learning, when you stop applying your learning back into production/reality, you are no longer an intelligent being but rather a dead one.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:14:44 UTC No. 16295317
>>16294805
I still maintain this was entirely about paperclipping Ukranian rocket scientists then dumping them on SpaceX with no warning as the engineering version of Space Camp. Completely at Elon's expense of course
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:18:10 UTC No. 16295319
>>16295317
Why not just house them at Boeing factory and cover the costs?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:20:08 UTC No. 16295322
>>16295321
Nothing
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:20:10 UTC No. 16295323
>>16295321
VPs dont have much power and dont do much
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:20:22 UTC No. 16295324
>>16294686
>The investigation for this was started under Trump
it was started during the summer of floyd when three-letter agencies inside the DOJ decided they'd they'd have support at the top when they recommended charges under the next admin. i've seen you pulling this act through a few threads, and i'm pretty sure you know enough about this stuff to know you're being a little mendacious about it.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:20:44 UTC No. 16295326
>>16295321
Nothing but continuation of current Democratic policy set by Biden.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:22:28 UTC No. 16295327
>>16295111
It'll turn out to have huge swaths of water ice under thin layers of rock and dust, just like Mars and 90% of the other places in this solar system
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:23:52 UTC No. 16295329
>>16295321
I’m NOT talking about this for the 100th time this week gb2r
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:04 UTC No. 16295330
>>16295321
More informed and better constructed lawfare against spacex. Won't have another DEI no refugees hired farce
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:32:01 UTC No. 16295338
>>16295143
>USSR: broke ass sanctioned retard state
>China: rich as fuck, manufactures and sells everything to everyone everywhere
Retard
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:32:34 UTC No. 16295339
>>16295326
This. Elon posted that "Kamala is just a puppet". He regards it all as just a continuation of power of those behind the Biden regime.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18159
>>16295323
"The vice presidency is not worth a bucket of warm piss"
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:37:54 UTC No. 16295343
Day 13 of the SpaceX fleet being grounded
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:38:17 UTC No. 16295344
>>16295343
starship isn't grounded
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:55:55 UTC No. 16295355
>>16295347
There are roughly 6000 commercial aircrafts in the US.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:57:41 UTC No. 16295357
>>16295347
how much is a monthly subscription per aircraft?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:07:59 UTC No. 16295366
>>16294805
No, you are simply wrong. ITAR allows US persons to apply for employment, not just US citizens, which is a slight difference. Every other rocket company, i.e. the rest of the industry was doing it that way (except that other one, a major defence contractor, and they were equally sued for it) and SpaceX did, too, after they were told. It's a technicality if you want, but it's the law and everyone else was following it so they made SpaceX comply. It didn't need to be such a big thing either and could've been resolved amicably if SpaceX had just properly responded to the DoJ's requests, but they had to play dumb and drag it out. No-one capable of reading a page of text considered it egregious because it really was quite simple.
>>16295324
So somehow your purported glowies just knew Biden would win the election, that SpaceX would play dumb and not just quickly resolve the situation before the election even happened, so that they could eventually sue them for a small fine and a handful of damage payments? That's fucking retarded, Anon. It also doesn't explain why they also regularly did it to other companies over the years before 2020 like you can easily find on the DoJ's website.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:11:08 UTC No. 16295369
>>16295321
Cooper looks like the president in a movie
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:23:16 UTC No. 16295380
>>16295366
>So somehow your purported glowies just knew Biden would win the election, that SpaceX would play dumb and not just quickly resolve the situation before the election even happened, so that they could eventually sue them for a small fine and a handful of damage payments?
they saw biden was up 8-10 points in the polls and realized they'd be able to get away with some barratry against spacex, sure. there's nothing complicated about it.
>It also doesn't explain why they also regularly did it to other companies over the years before 2020 like you can easily find on the DoJ's website.
they did it to law firms who donated overwhelmingly to dems, sure. the party that controls the DOJ practices lawfare against the other team, and not against its own team. you can pretend to not understand it if you want, but it's not a difficult principle.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:35:40 UTC No. 16295396
>>16295366
>No-one capable of reading a page of text considered it egregious because it really was quite simple.
Most everyone was confused because the definition of "US person" is rather broad and would include people that a company operating in good faith with ITAR regs would avoid at all costs to avoid getting fucked later as the US government has much better Intel on people than what's available to companies.
It's not reasonable for companies who have to deal with ITAR to consider potential employees when the information available about a person is scant. No one wants to be caught with some foreign national with residency or refugee only to find out later they are acting on behalf of foreign state or company.
The US government in this situation is not going to be forgiving.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:47:27 UTC No. 16295405
>>16295366
No defense contractor hires noncitizens for positions remotely related to ITAR protected material.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:51:57 UTC No. 16295407
>>16295366
>everyone else was following it
No, everyone else wasn't bothering to publicize their discriminatory hiring policies because they were willing to waste non-citizens' time in order to reduce their exposure to liability.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:57:40 UTC No. 16295411
>>16295357
Probably ~2500/m -20K/m. There's probably a lot of custom services for those sort of enterprises.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:00:22 UTC No. 16295413
i still dont understand why Biden choose to make enemy out of Elon Musk. He would have been a perfect candidate to help his agenda and put him in a good standing. EV, Space, Energy, Internet, transportation, etc. All things democrats typically love. Instead he choose to make it about communism and went after Musk.
What a worse presidential decision in recent history.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:03:22 UTC No. 16295415
https://x.com/JoeTegtmeyer/status/1
>How Did SpaceX's Starship 1st Flight Change Lunar Landings?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:04:22 UTC No. 16295416
>>16295415
>In this video, Brandon Dotson, PhD candidate at the University of Central Florida, under the mentorship of Dr. Phil Metzger presents the analysis & findings directly related to the SpaceX Starship flight 1. In addition, Ian Jehn, PhD candidate at the University of Colorado presents landing pad strength & design analysis that builds on the findings of the first Starship launch.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:07:16 UTC No. 16295418
>>16295380
So Floyd dying somehow magically changed who was in control of the DoJ away from Trump?
>>16295396
>>16295405
There's nothing confusing about it and SpaceX doesn't have to hire them, they just have to take their applications and go through the motions, like >>16295407 says. Which makes it an obvious case of FAFO.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:10:06 UTC No. 16295421
>>16295418
>Trump controlled the DOJ
You must have memory holed the first half of his first term.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:16:19 UTC No. 16295423
>>16295421
You said they lawfared against dem-supporting law firms so it can't have been the dems
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:18:24 UTC No. 16295424
>>16295413
Tesla isn't unionized and never will be because Elon's autism can't coexist with the kind of structural inefficiency that groups like the United Auto Workers always create. The UAW steals a portion of the paychecks of every worker at GM, Ford, etc, and what doesn't go into the pockets of the union bosses gets turned into political donations to democratic politicians. The UAW doesn't like Tesla because workers at Tesla get paid/compensated better than their unionized colleagues which undercuts the whole argument for having a union. Democrats don't like Tesla because they feel entitled to the money that the UAW would otherwise be siphoning off for them.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:20:18 UTC No. 16295425
>>16295424
He could have stopped at Tesla and worked on SpaceX front. Or Starlink front. Instead he chose to target his other companies and Musk personally.
Its not just UAW at stake. Its the communist ideology at heart
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:25:50 UTC No. 16295428
>>16295411
if we take a "low" estimate of 5k, thats
5k*10k*12=60million per year, just for these 1000 aircraft. not bad and sounds like a pretty high potential ceiling.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:30:51 UTC No. 16295431
>>16295428
>>16295411
https://www.starlink.com/business/a
$10K/M for unlimited data. 1000 x 10,000 x 12 = $120M. Still some airlines might double or triple up on it for more passenger capacity.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:32:07 UTC No. 16295433
>>16295413
>>16295424
Car salesmans are also a huge voting group and they're threatened by Tesla's direct sales model
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:37:06 UTC No. 16295434
>>16295418
>So Floyd dying somehow magically changed who was in control of the DoJ away from Trump?
it meant that the immigrant and employee rights section of the civil rights division could open an investigation of spacex and know that by the time they got around to recommending charges they'd have a friendly AG. lots of these offices inside the DOJ aren't exactly chock-full of republicans, but if there's a republican AG at the top he'll have veto power over any actions they want to bring.
you might say then that i have to account for why the investigation was allowed to be started at all, but i don't. there's no reason to believe that any republican appointee was aware of the investigation at any point. until they're recommending charges there's not necessarily anything requiring a higher-up's attention.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:37:41 UTC No. 16295435
>>16295433
Tesla building a factory in Texas, where they aren't allowed to directly sell their cars, will never not be funny. At least it's not one of those states where you have to actually travel outside.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:43:54 UTC No. 16295440
>>16295434
This still doesn't account for the possibility of SpaceX simply settling before charges are brought like everyone else. Why do all this weird contorting when it could be as simple as someone checking the SpaceX job postings after a complaint, seeing they don't account for US persons properly, and then starting an investigation? I honestly don't think there's anything political about it, they just did their job and SpaceX was obtuse about it. Was Aerojet-Rocketdyne being targeted by the dems for anything at that time?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 00:45:35 UTC No. 16295442
>>16295435
>not allowed to sell their cars directly
Wow based red state, such freedom. Gotta legally mandate that parasite middle men get their cut!
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:18:12 UTC No. 16295465
what do the planets smell like
the apollo cosmonauts said the moon carried the smell of gunpowder back inside their spacecraft
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:24:33 UTC No. 16295470
>>16295465
I don't want to smell Uranus.
haha do you get it? becaus Uranus sounds like your anus. I don't want to smell your butt haha
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:27:24 UTC No. 16295473
>>16292663
Anyone have the diagram that this anon was talking about?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:33:49 UTC No. 16295486
>>16295413
look I hate to add to the non space flight but maybe this will set your expectations for the government's relationship with space
What they tell the voters they are about, and what they actually do are two different hings. The say is just about the votes. What they do is about the donors. Voters may have principles and "things they love", but politicians grab whatever blocks of voters and donors are up for grabs and the stategy can change any day. As far as I know elon lost standing because he's anti union, and unions are a huge donor class. And he surely stopped donating to the democrats at some point.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:35:55 UTC No. 16295489
>>16295470
>Uranus
I'm so glad we don't have problems with that name in my native language. Imagine being unable to mention a fucking planet because of le funny joke that has been repeated millions of times already. I really hope one day the IAU changes the planet's name for something else, at least for the English version.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:46:01 UTC No. 16295500
>>16295440
>This still doesn't account for the possibility of SpaceX simply settling before charges are brought like everyone else.
elon's attitude towards what he sees as frivolous bureaucracy is pretty well-known, i think they had a good guess
>Why do all this weird contorting
it's pretty straightforward when you're not caricaturing it
>it could be as simple as someone checking the SpaceX job postings after a complaint, seeing they don't account for US persons properly, and then starting an investigation?
if it was started due to a complaint then the DOJ could have mentioned as much in their court filing.
>Was Aerojet-Rocketdyne being targeted by the dems for anything at that time?
if they were breaking pentagon security protocols then that seems like a nontrivial legal matter. but as an autistic sidenote, the shuttle contractors all have historically leaned gop - that's why dubya started constellation and obama cancelled it.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:50:41 UTC No. 16295502
>>16293465
>>16293503
human rated starship will happen, also many abort modes are possible with 9 engines. plus starship is already shown to be incredibly resilient and the danger of the flip manuever is far overstated, spacex did it successfully even with one flap mostly gone from reentry damage. after 100-200 successful flights itll be far safer. the people saying starship wont be human rated are either bait farming or just overly pessimistic faggots who never would have predicted anything close to the current level of success falcon 9 has enjoyed 10 years ago.
also the entire point of the starship program is bringing as many humans as possible to mars, literally everything about it is designed with respect to that lol. from the very beginning it was meant to be a crew vehicle.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:57:02 UTC No. 16295512
>>16295470
You said "butt"
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:58:28 UTC No. 16295515
>>16293727
nah, just without fully reusable rockets the cost/kg to even LEO is too high to really justify a large space economy. by the 2030s things will start to radically change.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:59:46 UTC No. 16295518
>>16295489
I propose renaming Uranus to "Urectum"
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:59:51 UTC No. 16295519
>>16293743
with expendable rockets, even partially expendable ones like falcon 9, yeah. you need full reuse to truly have a spacefaring civilization under our current economic model.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:03:44 UTC No. 16295524
>>16295500
>if they were breaking pentagon security protocols then that seems like a nontrivial legal matter
No they got them for basically the same thing as SpaceX, they had a couple of ITAR positions listed only for US citizens which wasn't correct. They quickly changed it and paid a $37k fine which is another reason why it seems ridiculous to me that this should be some sort of targeted lawfare when any fines are really absolutely meaningless. But I'm coming around to the idea that some aspiring prosecutor might've read the signs and decided to take this opportunity to prop up their resume with an easy open-and-shut case (like Rocketdyne who immediately rectified the error and were forthcoming) but didn't count on SpaceX's autism.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:07:59 UTC No. 16295527
>>16295489
>>16295518
but for real, it should be called Caelus, reflecting the roman mythology that the rest of the planets are named aftyer.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:08:10 UTC No. 16295528
>>16295473
That's me and I found it
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:09:03 UTC No. 16295529
>>16294092
As others have said, RL already has basically done that. I think Neutron is basically just a stop gap for them to still make some revenue from launches and gain experience with a larger rocket so that they can hopefully in the future develop their own fully reusable lift vehicle and at least be second place behind SpaceX. It'll be a lot easier going from Neutron to a superheavy rocket then from Electron.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:13:13 UTC No. 16295531
>>16294147
completely wrong. there is still a very significant portion of college educated whites who are right wing, they just don't tend to be neocons like boomers
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:14:53 UTC No. 16295532
>>16295529
i think the gamble was that they could get neutron operational faster than starship and then they'd have at least a few years to capture some market share
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:19:28 UTC No. 16295538
>>16295528
Wait no that's something else
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:27:07 UTC No. 16295544
>>16294758
what nazis are you referring to?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:41:11 UTC No. 16295550
>>16295527
why was it not named caelus anyways?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:42:42 UTC No. 16295552
>>16295532
not that they could get it operational faster than starship probably, but just up and running when starship is still only doing starlink and artemis and not much other commercial stuff.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 03:05:11 UTC No. 16295562
>>16295544
If you oppose children getting their dicks cut off you are a nazi
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:03:27 UTC No. 16295601
>>16295529
Image how thick the tiles will have to be on a carbon fiber second stage
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:11:24 UTC No. 16295604
>>16293456
damn, 4ASS strikes again
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:15:16 UTC No. 16295609
In lieu of launches, let's discuss politics.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:30:46 UTC No. 16295622
>>16295609
No.
How to turn space-dirt into real dirt so yous can grows foods in its.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:39:01 UTC No. 16295632
>>16295609
What if we removed the government?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:50:03 UTC No. 16295640
>>16295632
F-from the Earth?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:50:33 UTC No. 16295641
>>16295609
Can't believe we have a literal faggot leftist here getting his little brown dick hard over the idea of hiring refugees in ITAR roles
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:54:10 UTC No. 16295642
>>16295640
Think bigger.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:55:33 UTC No. 16295644
>>16295642
why is most of the matter located in the center of the observable area?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:56:37 UTC No. 16295645
>>16295644
We have the easiest time spotting it.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 05:17:25 UTC No. 16295659
>>16295601
guarantee they switch to steel for a fully reusable vehicle lol.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 05:49:14 UTC No. 16295675
NOAA space station
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:25:02 UTC No. 16295699
>A Starship stalker arrested
https://www.valleycentral.com/news/
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:32:03 UTC No. 16295705
Engine shutdown, prepare for staging
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:35:53 UTC No. 16295710
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:54:13 UTC No. 16295778
>>16295699
I'm honestly surprised this hasn't happened more often given how annoyed the Park Service is with people flying drones in national parks
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 13:00:58 UTC No. 16295983
>>16294930
沃德法
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 13:02:39 UTC No. 16295985
>>16295163
Look, a retard!