🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:32:36 UTC No. 16356395
Ayys at Boing!'s Door Edition
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Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:36:59 UTC No. 16356401
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:38:24 UTC No. 16356403
>>16356401
Right of way gained via page 10 stage, that thread early staged and had no previous backlink nice try retard
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:40:23 UTC No. 16356404
need space or aerospace engineering book/audiobook recommendations
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:42:35 UTC No. 16356405
https://x.com/nasaoig/status/182923
Also for those who havent seen it, Dragonfly may finally be RIGHTFULLY CANCELED soon or atleast shifted like MSR was. OIG is going after every shit project under the NASA umbrella finally.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:43:37 UTC No. 16356406
>>16356404
Would textbooks suffice? Thats the only thing I can offer kek.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:47:52 UTC No. 16356410
The Changs will be testing a new brick made from lunar soil simulant that is apparantly stronger than concrete on the Tiangong. My question is with lower gravity and much smaller housing why would we need stronger bricks? Wouldnt most shelters be made of metal or be in a crater that shields from any meteorites in the extremely small chance that some fall anywhere even close to the base?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:52:34 UTC No. 16356414
>>16356410
whats the point of testing it at the space station?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 08:56:47 UTC No. 16356416
>>16356414
Thats another thing. Seems like an all around retarded endeavor with no real point. If its meant for lunar environments, youre not going to be able to do any important tests since its presumed to be made on site in lunar gravity, not 0G.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:04:14 UTC No. 16356422
>>16356419
this is your spacecraft on mass autism
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:04:40 UTC No. 16356423
>>16356421
Why is Boeing so easy to dunk on?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:05:15 UTC No. 16356424
>>16356421
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18303
musk seems to want to bring attention to this lol
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:06:16 UTC No. 16356425
>>16356395
link to audio in the previous thread
>>16354521
https://files.catbox.moe/ww7rmv.mp3
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:07:47 UTC No. 16356427
>>16356424
>Astronauts notice such oddities in space from time to time. For example, during China's first human spaceflight int 2003, astronaut Yang Liwei said he heard what sounded like an iron bucket being knocked by a wooden hammer while in orbit. Later, scientists realized the noise was due to small deformations in the spacecraft due to a difference in pressure between its inner and outer walls.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:08:56 UTC No. 16356428
>>16356426
Kek just remembered this too
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:10:13 UTC No. 16356429
>>16356426
lmao
even if they succeed, smallsat launchers are DOA
are they hoping to get funding after a successful launch or something? they would be so fucking far behind, there are like 5 other companies further along in the US and probably a couple in Europe
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:16:17 UTC No. 16356432
>>16356429
My theory is that Kemp failed to exit scam so hes trying to keep Astra afloat so the feds dont go after him instead of making the objectively correct move of closing up shop and calling it a day. Especially now that theyre private.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:20:05 UTC No. 16356436
>>16356430
Pretty sure if you measure by the mb/gb it's already doing well over 90%
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:21:22 UTC No. 16356438
>>16356402
>Saarliner
do not reorbit the google play capsule
open bob and doug saar
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:48:00 UTC No. 16356456
What the fuck is inside Starliner? Just heard the audio. What are they hiding?
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:52:26 UTC No. 16356461
>>16356436
Utilization rate for Starlink must be in the single digits compared to MEO and GTO satellites.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:58:22 UTC No. 16356464
>>16356436
Utilization rate for Starlink must be in the single digits compared to MEO and GEO satellites.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:59:22 UTC No. 16356465
>>16356456
Do you really want to know?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:01:00 UTC No. 16356466
I created the Starliner to reach the ISS, but she's gone much, much farther than that. She tore a hole in our funding, a gateway to another economic future. A future of pure COST+. Pure... evil. When she crossed over, she was just a ship. But when she came back... she was full of PORK! Look at her, Anon. Isn't she beautiful?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:04:10 UTC No. 16356468
>>16356464
Sure, but does that matter when you have a bajillion satellites and people are streaming HD video through them?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:17:23 UTC No. 16356475
>get into some online discussion about SpaceX
>a couple people start calling it a sham, leeching off taxpayer money etc., the usual
>calling people Musk dickriders if they talk about SpaceX in a positive manner
>nobody has even mentioned Musk's name besides those people themselves
It's an interesting phenomenon, people will really hate a rocket company just because it has a name attached to it that they don't like, living rent free in their head. Although at the same time according to the same people, Musk has had nothing to do with the entire history of the company besides funding it with his billions. Although at the same time SpaceX is actually just a scam leeching off taxpayer money. And of course Musk is also only a billionaire because his dad personally whipped African slave children in his mine, which earned them at least a gorillion dollars
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:23:25 UTC No. 16356479
>>16356456
The fact that nobody knows for sure it can only mean one thing: they are fucked.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:47:44 UTC No. 16356491
>>16356456
Live footage of the Starliner exterior, turns out Boeing wasn't at fault after all.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:48:41 UTC No. 16356492
>>16356475
It is an interesting phenomenon, those people are usually low-information so they are incredibly easy to debate with, so I try to push them and figure out what makes them tick and why they think that way. All of their thoughts flow from an assumption made in their head (Elon Musk bad), why they make that assumption is harder to tell but once done then their thoughts seem to organise around typical left-sided brain hemisphere lateralization. Everything is sequential, e.g., "Rocket blew up? This is because Elon Musk is involved", "Rocket was successful? This is because Elon Musk didn't work on it". There isn't any context or holistic understanding, it's always the bespoke Anti-Musk position which changes moment to moment. They don't actually care much about rocketry I think. Also it's funny when they complain about something like refuelling with Starship and then you ask them what they think about Blue Origin, which requires more refuelling sequences than Starship, their entire brain just shuts down. I blame social media for destroying common sense
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:50:41 UTC No. 16356494
>>16356475
You are talking to bots, just so you know
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:52:40 UTC No. 16356495
>>16356475
>>16356492
>>16356494
They are functioning bots in a manner of speaking as they have will of their own nor a thought of their own. Its just mindless propaganda headlines floating in the brain without depth and if they do have some depth its incomplete
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:02:39 UTC No. 16356497
>>16356466
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:08:56 UTC No. 16356500
>>16356410
Brick or proonted masonry is a lot easier to work with than metal forging for ISRU. China is doubly bound by this as they have no access to either Starship or flying fission reactors for compact mobile surface power.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:11:49 UTC No. 16356501
>>16356495
I find it interesting to wonder why they attach themselves to these positions, it's like the abstract concept of "Elon Musk bad" becomes a law of nature in their head. It's also dangerous because everyone else sees those people as mindlessly whining without ever substantiating their belief, so if Elon Musk ever does actually do something 'bad' he can more easily get away with it as their whining will just fall on deaf ears, they cried wolf too many times
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:17:27 UTC No. 16356507
>>16356501
It invariably comes down to either them losing money because of Elon's companies or Elon transgressing some taboo of theirs with his personal opinions while being rich and happy.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:20:37 UTC No. 16356510
>>16356501
Its called propaganda. Years of media campaign from the elites that disagree with common people having freedom. There isn't just one propaganda a week. Its multiple anti-Musk propaganda per day from every vendor for years.
If you expose a person to these sorts of propaganda daily, the weak and feeble minded become accustomed to these "facts" due to sheer abundance of propaganda.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:53:27 UTC No. 16356534
>>16356507
Oh yeah I never thought about the people who may have lost money. Good point. Taboo transgression I think is the most common influence for these people
>>16356510
You are definitely right about the media campaign >>16356495 the photo here is in the same ballpark which I agree with. People more likely to conform will be the ones affected by the media campaign, and that media campaign itself is fuelled by the similar conformist concern regarding taboo transgressions. There's an efficient feedback loop to it. It has never worked on me so I do think that specific personalities are required to get this effect
I've been influenced by propaganda at times in my life and there is always a temptation in conformity, but ultimately I am able to actually research into things and introspect on mistakes in my thinking and such. Basically, I'm able to change my mind on stupid assumptions I used to have. These people seem fundamentally unable to do this. I strongly believe that it has something to do with brain structure and brain hemisphere lateralization, after reading into that recently I see a pretty big similarity with the left-hemispheres tendency to base entire logical arguments on nonsensical bullshit assumptions, and of the seemingly unmovable unsubstantiated anti-Musk shit you see online, also in person in my case as sadly, a few of my old friends have turned in those people. I can fully dismantle their point in a cordial way and they even agree that they were wrong, but they next time we speak they just revert back to step 1 as if the conversation never even happened
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:00:03 UTC No. 16356537
Reminder there's not enough of resources on Earth to set up even the most simple mining operation on another astral body. We can't lift shit in the atmosphere or deploy it elsewhere or run the operation or transfer and utilize tons of resources (and we don't need tons, we need a gazillion tons). Belief in space age is highly unscientific, an average accountant can tell you that.
this ties in to spaceflight as a concept especially human spaceflight which is completely nonsensical in the age of the drone
pure hubris, no wonder the main pusher is a social media magnate
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:02:36 UTC No. 16356539
>page 1 shenanigans
>>16356537
Thanks for the baseless supposition you fucking faggot, this thread full of hobbyist experts will surely appreciate it
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:09:52 UTC No. 16356545
Chinese are testing moon soil bricks
https://youtu.be/MD3XHM3u9zI
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:27:45 UTC No. 16356555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ3
unrelated to the video, but polaris dawn will perform the spacewalk at 700km which is very near the peak of orbital debris, something like 5-10x more than at ISS altitudes
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:27:49 UTC No. 16356556
>>16356466
starliner is on track to be the next V'ger
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:30:35 UTC No. 16356559
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:32:38 UTC No. 16356560
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:36:59 UTC No. 16356561
>>16356560
Northrop grumman is a meme ugh
>yeah let’s just keep making longer and longer and longer cygnus that’s a good trick!
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:37:14 UTC No. 16356562
>>16356560
Where's Vast?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:42:44 UTC No. 16356563
>>16356561
More… MORE
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:49:42 UTC No. 16356566
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:50:01 UTC No. 16356567
>>16356558
she's reading too much into a colloquialism
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:50:46 UTC No. 16356569
>>16356568
MEKAJIRA
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:00:32 UTC No. 16356571
>>16356562
They can't bid until they have a launch vehicle. Those stations all use Falcon or New Glenn. Vast is waiting on cargo Starship.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:06:04 UTC No. 16356574
>>16356571
Have they changed their plan? I recall their first station will launch next year on F9.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:07:21 UTC No. 16356576
GS2 rollout soon. According to Berger, the upper stage is doing a hot fire test within the week.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:07:27 UTC No. 16356578
>>16356560
nanoracks and northrop's stations look like deep space spacecraft
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:10:12 UTC No. 16356580
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:11:22 UTC No. 16356581
>>16356576
slowly and ferociously
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:12:27 UTC No. 16356584
>>16356581
Yeah I hope it implodes upon movement or explodes during the hot test kek
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:19:44 UTC No. 16356588
>>16356584
you should be hoping for more viable heavy launch vehicles so the argument for continuing the pork projects is weaker. Imagine if you could spend billions on overpriced lunar surface base modules instead of SLS
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:21:07 UTC No. 16356589
>>16356576
gradatim gradociter
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:23:30 UTC No. 16356591
>>16356562
Vast is not part of Commercial LEO Destinations (CLD). Take what I say here with a grain of salt, this is just based on some quick googling, but basically different groups of companies were given different contracts at different times, companies dropped out and joined other contracts or were swapped out.
At first axiom wanted to add a module to the ISS and got some kind of contract for it in 2020, which will later become free flying after ISS is deorbited. The first module is supposed to be added in 2026
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/n
In 2021 December, three teams got a CLD contract for free flying commercial stations
>Starlab with Nanoracks (a subsidiary/part of Voyager Space which has acquired a bunch of small space companies) and Lockheed Martin
>Orbital Reef with Blue Origin/Sierra Space/Boeing/Redwire and Northrop Grumman that got the contracts in December 2021
>unnamed station with Northrop Grumman and Dynetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comme
In 2023 Lockheed Martin was replaced from Starlab with a design change and was replaced with Airbus
https://www.reuters.com/technology/
>But following a decision to switch to a metallic structure, Lockheed's role has effectively been superseded by Airbus, which built the Columbus module for the ISS.
>The original blueprint for Starlab included an inflatable habitat designed by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), opens new tab.
At this point you basically have the 4 station plans still, with some partners switching
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:25:15 UTC No. 16356594
>>16356402
>starliner spilling fluorescent green diarrhea into the cosmos
disgusting
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:26:04 UTC No. 16356595
>>16356594
designated shitting skies
fly boeing saar
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:30:53 UTC No. 16356600
>>16356562
Much like Polaris, it's a billionaire doing his own thing. He's speed running towards a spin station and doesn't seem to care about much else. I'm most optimistic about Vast out of all of them
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:31:18 UTC No. 16356602
>>16356588
Yeah no, fuck that—BO is part of the problem too. New Glenn isn’t going to save the industry; it can barely save Blue. In fact the only thing that has saved them so far is stretching the national team supply chain thin across 48 states to entice congress to demand a second Artemis lander.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:33:20 UTC No. 16356609
>>16356423
...because they did a very bad job?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:34:03 UTC No. 16356610
>>16356591
Northrop Grumman dropped out in October 2023 and joined Starlab
https://spacenews.com/northrop-grum
>October 4, 2023
>LOS ANGELES — Northrop Grumman will drop plans to develop its own commercial space station and instead assist a competing effort led by Voyager Space, the companies announced Oct. 4.
https://starlab-space.com/
https://voyagerspace.com/company/
There has also been some questions about Orbital Reef continuing, still a bit unclear if it will or not as both Blue Origin (New Glenn) and Sierra Space (Dream Chaser) have projects they need to focus on
forgot source of pic on last comment
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-spac
Vast and Gravitics have some kind of agreements with NASA though, but not sure what kind of funding if any they are getting, Starlab and Orbital Reef have CLD contracts for something like 150m each
https://www.vastspace.com/updates/v
>Long Beach, Calif. (June 15, 2023) – Vast, a pioneer in space habitation technologies, today was awarded a Space Act Agreement (SAA) by NASA under the second Collaborations for Commercial Space Capabilities (CCSC-2) initiative.
>Under this agreement, Vast will collaborate with NASA on technologies and operations required for its microgravity and artificial gravity stations.
https://www.gravitics.com/news/nasa
>June 18, 2024
>NASA and Gravitics Sign Space Act Agreement with Focus on Verification and Validation for Large Spacecraft
and then you have collaborations between companies, Axiom apparently gave Gravitics a 125mil contract as well recently
https://www.gravitics.com/news/axi4
>Gravitics, Inc. announced today that it has been awarded a $125-million contract by Axiom Space to provide a pressurized spacecraft that will support Axiom Station operations
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:36:08 UTC No. 16356612
>>16356426
Astra is proof that nigger lives don't matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atu
Astranon at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:38:20 UTC No. 16356616
>>16356432
Dropping two NASA satellites in the drink was definitely not part of the plan. I still remember the look of terror on his face when he saw the velocity numbers start ticking down and sprinted off to see WTF was happening to LV0010.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:39:26 UTC No. 16356618
>>16356592
The Skylab uniforms look comfy :3
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:39:33 UTC No. 16356619
>>16356545
um...
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:45:24 UTC No. 16356626
>>16356619
>ywn be a woman with moon rock in your tits
why live?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:46:19 UTC No. 16356628
>>16356619
They display tea in stuff like this too, I have no idea why.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:48:47 UTC No. 16356634
>>16356619
>>16356628
Come on chang you sussy baka
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:51:13 UTC No. 16356636
>>16356414
a controlled environment to see how corn husks perform as a filler material
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:53:56 UTC No. 16356638
>>16356628
why would you design a vessel that you can't set down while you fill it?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:55:53 UTC No. 16356640
So what will the perfect space bullet be?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:56:01 UTC No. 16356641
>>16356619
They need heat and moisture and astronauts are the easiest place to get it in situ
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:57:12 UTC No. 16356642
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:58:24 UTC No. 16356643
>>16356466
nice. dam, that movie creeped me out back then
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:58:36 UTC No. 16356644
>>16356640
Well you'd want the lowest mass possible and you don't have the constraints of air, plus distances mean most of your bullets would take too long to reach the target and likely miss. The best bullet is no bullet at all.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:58:52 UTC No. 16356645
It depends, it would be cylindrical and with much simpler geometry because the only things you care about are the mass and the behavior on impact. If you're shooting armor, it would probably still be pointy at the front, but there's no reason to design in a boat-tail or something.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 13:59:35 UTC No. 16356646
>>16356640
7.62 NATO RAAAAHHHHHH I WANT CHINK BLOOD
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:04:43 UTC No. 16356651
>>16356640
brilliant pebbles
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:04:51 UTC No. 16356652
>>16356600
its about time that was tried. Von Braun would have had this back in the 70s if they hadn't cut all the money.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:07:43 UTC No. 16356655
The camera on Pioneer 11 was laughably shitty.
Pretty huge leaps were made by the time NASA constructed and flung the Voyager probes out into deep space
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:07:46 UTC No. 16356656
>>16356644
Sure but till space cooling for massive lasers works in space I think bullets will be the future (and missiles)
>>16356645
Think they'll still use primers or will space guns be railguns only?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:10:39 UTC No. 16356659
>>16356576
tick tock nigga
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:11:05 UTC No. 16356661
>>16356656
the cooling and power generation problems associated with railguns will only be worse in space
we'll see them widely used on earth first
beamed energy and good old kinetic / HE projectiles will be used in the meantime
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:11:17 UTC No. 16356662
>>16356619
Propellant is stored in the balls, moon dust in the buttplugs.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:12:04 UTC No. 16356663
Have they exorcised starliner yet?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:12:09 UTC No. 16356664
>>16356656
Chemical propulsion if you don't absolutely have to seems really fucking stupid. Primers and powder aren't heavy, but mass is mass and they're filthy and get dust and shit everywhere. I feel like you would always build a railgun if you could.
>>16356661
This is true though, chemical wins in terms of rate of fire.
Astranon at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:14:34 UTC No. 16356668
>>16356644
Radiators aren't the problem. Power delivery and pointing/dV budget are. Ideally you'd want a fusion reactor and propellantless thrusters... including for mitigating recoil because at weapons grade power scales, lasers produce measurable thrust: 1N/300MW
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:26:52 UTC No. 16356675
>>16356663
There's no magic-user on board apart from Suni, so not yet
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:32:22 UTC No. 16356683
>>16356678
>no technical
But spiritual....
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:35:49 UTC No. 16356688
not even the instruments of the capsule want to be there
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:37:40 UTC No. 16356689
>>16356466
>cost+
what types of cost+? can someone give me some examples that received what contracts?
heres what ai gave me:
>Orion, $4.6 billion, Lockheed Martin, CPIF
>Starliner, $4.2 billion, Boeing, fixed
>SLS Boosters, $3.19 billion, Northrop Grumman, CPIF
>CRS-2, $3 billion, SpaceX, fixed
>CRS-2, $2.9 billion, Northrop Grumman, fixed
>Artemis HLS, $2.89 billion, SpaceX, fixed
>Crew Dragon, $2.6 billion, SpaceX, fixed
>CRS-2, $2.5 billion, Sierra Nevada , fixed
>GOES, $1.2 billion, Lockheed Martin, CPFF
its insane that cost+ contracts exist. they remove accountability and incentivize waste
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:41:52 UTC No. 16356692
>>16356689
Yeah but how else are the bureaucracies going to continue churning?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:44:32 UTC No. 16356693
Slaughter all bureaucrats.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:46:15 UTC No. 16356695
>>16356689
holy shit i just asked ai for a list of pre 2010 contracts and every single one of them is cost+. without spacex intervention to normalize fixed price, every contract to this day would be cost+. how the fuck is governance so fucking incompetent? this is why democracy is shit. zero accountability
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:48:10 UTC No. 16356696
>>16356689
I think at one point all the NASA contracts were cost plus. Here's how they justify it:
>A Cost Plus Award Fee contract is the best procurement vehicle for the high-tech, one-of-a-kind, development projects that constitute most of NASA'S projects. The use of this type of contract requires more government and contractor effort than any other forms of contracts. An award fee contract is described as an arrangement whereby the government periodically awards a fee consistent with the cost, schedule and technical performance that is achieved by a contractor during a preset period with preset award fee pools. It's the only contracting method where both the government and contractor goals are closely linked. It also has a built-in mechanism to conveniently alter and emphasize program events in order to current external and internal situations. The award fee process also demands good communication between government and contractor participants.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/199
However, even Ballast Bill was forced to concede that it's a shitty way of doing business:
https://arstechnica.com/science/202
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:43 UTC No. 16356698
>>16356695
>how the fuck is governance so fucking incompetent?
"Not MY problem", the philosophy.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:54:20 UTC No. 16356699
>>16356696
Well it was justified back in the 60s when literally none of the tech existed outside of what V2 could do, and pretty quickly the USA government needed contractors to get ICBMs working, needed to get man into orbit, and needed to land man on the mother fucking Moon with a giant meme rocket all within the span of like 8 years.
So Cost Plus made sense. Building the Saturn V from scratch basically required a blank check, but these companies were motivated to get it done before the Russians.
Why cost plus exists now, for shit like Space Launch System and Orion is a fucking crime. These aren't new technologies. These contracts are fucking pork gibs. Orion has existed for 20 years and has not brough a single person into space, and for that alone Trump should jail every executive who is even remotely connected to a management job by association. If aliens made first contact they would see we are a space-fairing civilization by technicality but we'd have to explain how we are tethered to LEO and not making it back to the Moon, or making it to Mars, because of political appointments and jobs and contracts. How pathetic.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:54:48 UTC No. 16356700
>>16356692
pork is inevitable
the 20th century unspoken goal of NASA funding was the development of defense technology, and to keep the military industrial complex in full employment. The 21st century goals should shift to the support of Space Force technology, and seeding American industry wherever possible to enable that. Depots, on orbit welding, manufacturing and assembly, secret directed energy weapon tests in space. Whatever it takes
Astranon at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:56:02 UTC No. 16356701
>>16356666
who got it
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:58:19 UTC No. 16356706
>>16356689
Mobile Launcher 2, being built by Bechtel, was originally supposed to be $383 million and delivered last year.
It is currently projected to cost 2.7 Billion and not be delivered until 2029.
Here's the OIG report: https://oig.nasa.gov/wp-content/upl
ML-2 is six feet taller than ML-1, which makes it just about 1/7th the height of the Burj Khalifa. How it manages to be twice as expensive as the world's tallest skyscraper is a cost+ mystery not even the OIG gremlins can answer.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:00:04 UTC No. 16356708
>2024 democrat platform https://democrats.org/wp-content/up
>a single generic line about spaceflight: "Under [her] leadership, we’ll continue supporting NASA and America’s presence on the International Space Station, and working to send Americans back to the moon and to Mars"
yeah its obvious that they'll either keep things going or actively work against the industry, and given that elon keeps getting attacked, im willing to bet that it's the latter
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:02:37 UTC No. 16356710
>>16356574
Yeah you're right, I thought they were meant to be launching a test satellite or something before the station but I've not heard anything about it for awhile
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:03:23 UTC No. 16356714
>>16356708
A statement that reads "we don't care about space or whatever, but if we say this maybe you won't notice"
Disgusting. You do not hate politicians enough yet.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:04:42 UTC No. 16356716
>>16356699
The only reason congress was willing to sign that blank check for Apollo was because it spread an appropriate amount of pork around. That's why the Saturn V was a rocket launched from Florida, that was constructed in Alabama, using engines designed and built in California, with everything being run from a mission control center in Texas. The Shuttle suffered from the same problems, and SLS was designed explicitly as a means of continuing to spend an STS sized budget on the same set of contractors. That's why the LRB proposal for SLS was never going to go anywhere. It'd get in the way of Thiokol/Northrop's "rightful share."
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:08:00 UTC No. 16356721
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:13:38 UTC No. 16356727
>>16356668
>namefagging
oh shit, nigga, what is you doing
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:14:43 UTC No. 16356729
>>16356610
>>16356591
>>16356562
tl:dr Vast is not CLD, NG station doesn't exist anymore, BO stations future is uncertain
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:17:06 UTC No. 16356734
>>16356729
how can orbital reef be uncertain? I see sierra blow up a new module every few weeks
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:18:01 UTC No. 16356736
>>16356716
It's also why they're pissing blood and shitting diamonds about newspace moving to (economic) vertical integration. It means they get basically no opportunity to spread pork.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:22:37 UTC No. 16356744
>>16356734
Didn't the companies fall out with each other.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:26:38 UTC No. 16356751
>>16356744
they still act like they're working together on both of their websites. maybe I missed something?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:26:55 UTC No. 16356752
>>16356663
they will send mob but he's still at school for the moment.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:27:39 UTC No. 16356753
>>16356736
They enjoyed over half a century of pig farming, which is pretty good. Shelby is gone and it's time for the new generation of porkers to find a new area to oink things up. Though Huntsville was built on the back of NASA and Redstone, if they're going to be competitive going forward they have to find something new to be their core industry. I'd recommend luring away some of Atlanta's infosec cluster. Due to the nature of cybersecurity, government wants it to be primarily US citizens and permanent residents working onshore and its certainly a growth area, especially for government spending. Gunter being in the state already gives them a leg up, as does Auburn and UAH, though obviously both of those schools are blown out of the water by Georgia Tech.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:29:09 UTC No. 16356756
>>16356734
>>16356744
Yeah for a while it was shaky and the only (literally the only) reason it’s been confirmed to still be a thing is because BO posted some instagram ‘it’s not dead yet’ post to qualm all the drama. But it very well could still fall through; even Foust, Berger, and Sheetz are and were skeptical of its viability
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:30:52 UTC No. 16356759
What was the point in building 500 V2 Raptor engines again?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:32:40 UTC No. 16356766
>>16356759
well they did throw 156 of them into the ocean
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:33:16 UTC No. 16356767
>>16356759
Learning how to build V3 engines
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:34:15 UTC No. 16356768
>>16356700
What could Space Force accomplish once Starship is in regular operation? Is ballistic missile defense possible with a sufficiently large satellite constellation? Immediate global point to point cargo and troop transport seems like an obvious choice. Is there a realistic way to shoot down missiles and planes inside the atmosphere from low earth orbit, or is that pure science fiction? Space denial would also be a nice capability.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:34:38 UTC No. 16356769
>>16356759
manufacturing practice
also keeping them in a warehouse for 20 years to eventually get swept up in a contract where chinks buy raptor 2's for their rocket in order to foster diplomacy and because they're still really good engines :^)
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:34:55 UTC No. 16356771
>>16356475
>bringing up twitter garbage again (and TF, naturally) without prompting and calling other schizos obsessed
every time
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:35:42 UTC No. 16356772
>>16356768
falcon 9 already makes brilliant pebbles plausible, starship would make it trivial.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:36:59 UTC No. 16356775
>>16356771
>haha look at these schizo's let's make fun of them
>NOOOOOOO THAT'S NOT HECKIN EPICERINO YOU'RE OBSESSED!
lol
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:37:01 UTC No. 16356776
>>16356759
Has ship switched to v3 yet? I think they need engines for the test program.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:39:24 UTC No. 16356784
>>16356768
>Immediate global point to point cargo and troop transport seems like an obvious choice
Please stop with this fucking meme.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:51:17 UTC No. 16356800
>>16356791
What current situation
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:51:25 UTC No. 16356801
>>16356663
they are trying to find the abo shaman from "The Right Stuff" but he's currently on walkabout..on mars.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:54:34 UTC No. 16356805
>>16356791
We’ve already made first contact
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:54:35 UTC No. 16356806
>>16356716
it seemed to work well. i dont recall reading about too many problems caused by the distributed manufacturing and assembly plan for Apollo. It also was probably the best way to get and keep it supported, seeing as everyone was paying for it.
and it did get us the Guppy and SuperGuppy, for which i cant be the only one thankful.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:58:07 UTC No. 16356811
>>16356800
The spooky noises on the Boeing capsule
>>16356805
proofs?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:00:46 UTC No. 16356814
>>16356811
>The spooky noises on the Boeing capsule
Radio interfetterence
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:01:59 UTC No. 16356815
>>16356814
>interfetterence
I don't even think that's a word
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:05:27 UTC No. 16356816
>BepiColumbo Mercury orbit delayed to Nov 2026
Grim, but at least it's still working
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:07:44 UTC No. 16356819
>>16356816
ESA controllers wanted another year of holiday
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:08:23 UTC No. 16356820
>>16356784
Please explain what's wrong with it so I will remember why I shouldn't post it.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:11:45 UTC No. 16356825
>>16356821
inb4 OIG calls for the cancellation of Dragonfly
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:14:17 UTC No. 16356827
>>16356759
Scale = quality = cheap = speed
500 V2 means they can do dozen tests per day to find out vulnerability and test them out in the stands
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:16:19 UTC No. 16356828
>>16356821
I don't think about you at all.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:17:20 UTC No. 16356829
>>16356816
lol bepis columbine
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:24:26 UTC No. 16356834
I glad we dodged that page 9 thread stager
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:24:31 UTC No. 16356835
>>16356656
>space cooling
Cryo-arithmetic engines
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:26:02 UTC No. 16356836
>>16356560
>no mention of haven-1
>nanomeme instead
Fucking old space shills. Atleast Axiom is up there, theyre pretty cool.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:28:20 UTC No. 16356839
why all the inflatables crap. just do a nuSkylab, big wet workshop launch with starship
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:28:44 UTC No. 16356840
>>16356708
Could the thrusters on this craft be repurposed to decelerate from the moon as a replacement for a beefed up heat shield?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:29:15 UTC No. 16356842
>>16356836
It’s talking about CLD you idiot corposhill
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:29:58 UTC No. 16356843
>>16356839
Why the fuck would you wet workshop a Starship
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:31:19 UTC No. 16356844
>>16356843
because they just keep shrinking the payload and adding more tank
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:31:40 UTC No. 16356845
>>16356759
They're learning how to build an assembly line for the engines. The engines resulting in the meantime are a consequence of that, rather than the purpose. They really have changed the paradigm
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:33:02 UTC No. 16356846
>>16356784
The military wants it. Commercial application is not likely but by some reports the Air Force is salivating over the prospect
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:34:03 UTC No. 16356848
>>16356820
America already has special forces units around the world and the ability to transport them pretty much wherever they have a presence (pretty much everywhere) in short notice. Any place they can't send men to by plane, they wouldn't want to send by rocket because they would be killed and accomplish nothing. This isn't Halo.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:36:40 UTC No. 16356851
>>16356846
I get it. I wouldn't begrudge any company for taking money to make something that will never be used. That's the customer's problem.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:42:31 UTC No. 16356863
>>16356851
It's not clear to me that any modifications would be needed. If the second stage also has the tower catch then maybe just beef up the Mars landing legs. Not sure it would take too many resources to get right. The military dough though, oh yeah it would be worth it
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:44:22 UTC No. 16356865
>>16356815
I saw Starliner trying to undock into the Milky Way
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:46:41 UTC No. 16356870
>>16356863
If I were Bezos I would get serious about Jarvis and just tuck my tail between my legs, reach out to Musk, and tell him I would like to do a common catch mechanism so that Mechazilla could catch Jarvis. That way there could be a standardized catch system and the government gibs could apply to starship and Jarvis.
This is of course a pipe dream but, notheless, if I were running Blue Origin I would have had them in orbit seven years ago and I would be making these types of decisions now to assure the company was cash-positive as well as lining itself up for uberbig contracts in the future. Bezos isn't a thinking man—not sure how he or Branson became billionaires in the first place to be honest
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:55:23 UTC No. 16356876
>>16356870
You wouldnt be doing shit retard. You dont know the first thing about how to manage a company youre just a random fuckwit on 4chan.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:57:39 UTC No. 16356881
>>16356876
I could fix blue origin, the bar right now is jeff bezos and bob smith (new limp who hasn’t shown anything of value yet) who are still flying new shepard despite it providing no profit or progress incentive
So yeah I’m confident I can do better. Gonna cry?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:58:20 UTC No. 16356882
>>16356876
Somebody missed nap time!
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:59:12 UTC No. 16356883
>>16356881
>gonna cry
yes, happy now, asshole? you made someone cry by being mean, does that somehow make you feel better about yourself?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:01:25 UTC No. 16356887
>>16356821
Garbage moon
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:02:39 UTC No. 16356891
>>16356395
CUT US LOOSE!
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:12:05 UTC No. 16356902
>>16356890
That’s… starship and whatever the official working name of SLD National Team lander is
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:12:22 UTC No. 16356903
>>16356881
answer the question anon >>16356883
what gives you the right to hurt that guy's feelings?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:17:38 UTC No. 16356910
>>16356495
all the retards reading your pic related and believing it without thinking just because it lets them pretend they're "alpha" makes this very funny
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:21:45 UTC No. 16356917
>>16356910
true, in reality i am the only person who's capable of asking himself whether or not something is true without a consensus check.
you are all just women compared to me.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:26:43 UTC No. 16356922
> There are unexpected electric currents between MTM's solar arrays & the power distribution unit, which robbed a bit of current & thrust.
> Mercury orbit insertion will slip from December 2025 to November 2026, i.e. 11 months.
> Next Mercury fly-by on September 4th will be tweaked to a minimum altitude of 165 km. The 2 fly-bys afterward (December 2024, January 2025) will still happen as planned.
Bepi propulsion is failing and the Euros are having to adjust the pump down flybys to recover the missing delta.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:29:47 UTC No. 16356924
>>16356922
what is it with inner solar system missions and power/propulsion mismanagement?
(NASA notwithstanding, those USA missions usually go off without a hitch)
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:31:36 UTC No. 16356925
>>16356919
I might need a rubber for that black hole if you know what Im sayin
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:32:28 UTC No. 16356926
>>16356925
I don't think I quite understand, could you elaborate?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:40:09 UTC No. 16356934
>>16356926
I think he means he wishes to jork his shit by sticking the ween past the event horizon
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:46:53 UTC No. 16356942
>>16356938
Welcome to the club
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:48:50 UTC No. 16356945
>>16356938
Blorge
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:50:07 UTC No. 16356947
>>16356934
there's no coming back from that
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:53:00 UTC No. 16356949
>>16356947
Don’t shame singularity kinks anon. They’ll come back as hawking radiation eventually!
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:57:35 UTC No. 16356951
>>16356395
i will ask again. why is the lunar gateway a good idea?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:59:27 UTC No. 16356952
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18306
He is getting so fucking unhinged, fully entering that Howard Hughes arc
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 17:59:46 UTC No. 16356953
>>16356951
secures funding for continued moon missions and literally nothing else. next question
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:00:28 UTC No. 16356955
>>16356951
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhmmmmm
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:01:29 UTC No. 16356956
>>16356952
>American aerospace engineer and business magnate
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:04:23 UTC No. 16356959
>>16356952
You people need to come up with another comparison, the Hughes thing got old a while back
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:05:01 UTC No. 16356960
>>16356951
It’s fucking not how many times do we have to tell you? The following facts are true, if you want to call these “good ideas” is up to you (spoiler they aren’t, but here they are anyways):
• SLS is anemic and cant direct-inject Orion into a low lunar orbit capable of rendezvousing with a lander and reaching the lunar south pole (the whole point of Artemis) so Gayway in NRHO provides a pit stop that SLS can barely reach and where they can stage to get into a lander.
• It cow-ties congress into keeping Artemis online (i.e. NASA can say “oh but congress, you already gave us $2 billion to build and launch Gateway so it would be dumb to cancel Artemis! We already have hardware in lunar orbit and it would be a waste of money to abandon it!”)
• It’s a gibs program that, like SLS and Orion, provides jobs extended over time and spreads cash around to different congressional districts
• Some modules and an overpriced canadarm make up part of gateway so international partners feel like they are contributing something to a Moon landing despite it really being 100% a USA effort
• The only cool part of gateway, MAXAR’s Power and Peopulsion Element (PPE), was originally going to be used in a human spacecraft as part of the Asteroid Redirect Mission that got cancelled under Obama. Gateway kept PPE alive and gave it something to do. NASA claims Gateway can be moved with PPE and sent to Mars but that will never happen
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:07:00 UTC No. 16356961
>>16356951
In the end the only thing that matters in the nesr term is putting the maximum amount of stuff up into space. Whatever grift it takes to do so is allowable
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:07:09 UTC No. 16356962
>>16356952
Howard hughes was based though
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:09:48 UTC No. 16356964
>>16356951
If you want just one: it enables abort to orbit. Apollo brought its own rescue craft to the moon but Artemis does not, so having their equivalent to a cycler is going to have to do.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:12:33 UTC No. 16356966
>>16356964
Nah not an excuse. It could abort back to Orion if SLS wasn’t so shitty. Or the lander could just abort to LLO
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:20:31 UTC No. 16356969
>>16356949
>They’ll come back as hawking radiation eventually!
blacks holes breed strange children
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:23:04 UTC No. 16356973
>>16356952
Fuck off tranny
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:25:32 UTC No. 16356978
>>16356952
can't wait for Musk to have his own country
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:27:22 UTC No. 16356981
>>16356978
larp
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:28:12 UTC No. 16356983
>>16356978
Estrellalia?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:28:41 UTC No. 16356984
>>16356978
What sort of architecture will the Mars city have? I don't like the module sprawl in the SpaceX renders
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:30:00 UTC No. 16356986
>>16356984
Too bad dude even this render is extremely optimistic. It will be sideways Starships and dinky habitats
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:31:04 UTC No. 16356990
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:31:06 UTC No. 16356991
>>16356952
Elon must be arrested and imprisoned for life. This cant go on.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:33:19 UTC No. 16356993
>>16356990
This but 5km tall
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:34:43 UTC No. 16356998
>>16356991
Someone just slap the phone out of his hand and tell him to get back to work.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:37:20 UTC No. 16357001
>>16356998
The mother fucker won’t shut the hell up about it, like I get that it’s important but good grief SHUT UP ELON MY TIMELINE IS FUCKED BY YOUR BRAZIL AUTISM AND MUTING ‘JUDGE’ AND ‘BRAZIL’ HAS DONE NOTHING
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:38:54 UTC No. 16357003
>>16356986
>sideways
Ready for this meme to die. It makes sense on the moon due to the shielding requirements but on Mars it's an unnecessary reduction in usable volume and floor space.
>>16356990
What architecture though? Surely it won't just be US suburb sprawl but with a plastic sky overhead
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:39:55 UTC No. 16357004
>>16357003
>Surely it won't just be US suburb sprawl but with a plastic sky overhead
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:42:45 UTC No. 16357008
>>16356962
> In 1958, Hughes told his aides that he wanted to screen some movies at a film studio near his home. He stayed in the studio's darkened screening room for more than four months, never leaving. He ate only chocolate bars and chicken and drank only milk and was surrounded by dozens of boxes of Kleenex that he continuously stacked and re-arranged. He wrote detailed memos to his aides giving them explicit instructions neither to look at him nor speak to him unless spoken to. Throughout this period, Hughes sat fixated in his chair, often naked, continuously watching movies. When he finally emerged in the summer of 1958, his hygiene was terrible. He had neither bathed nor cut his hair and nails for weeks.
Imagine the smell
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:43:15 UTC No. 16357010
>>16356984
space nouveau
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:43:38 UTC No. 16357011
>>16356998
He should be deposed from his companies and assets sold off. He has done trillions in damages
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:45:45 UTC No. 16357014
>>16357003
imagine this but it's flat and outside the sky is made of cellophane
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:53:04 UTC No. 16357019
>>16357014
>work in a factory all day
>outside is a frozen barren wasteland
>come home to a white expanse dotted by colorful shapes with no human context
Why would your Martians not kill themselves? Why would anyone ever move there? I think pleasant architecture might be even more important on Mars than on Earth. The plastic ceiling can be worked around
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:55:27 UTC No. 16357021
>>16357019
Another example. I imagine people shopping in Milan don't mind that there's something between them and the sky
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:00:22 UTC No. 16357026
>>16357019
your thoughts are tied down by your life in contemporary earth. martians will yearn for the sterile white voids. also
>Why would your Martians not kill themselves?
child brides
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:04:40 UTC No. 16357035
>>16357026
>martians will yearn for the sterile white voids
These are still people. With no nature and constant exposure to purely functional industrial forms they'll probably yearn for the opposite.
>child brides
In Mars years, right? Haha
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:04:45 UTC No. 16357036
>>16357026
die
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:05:06 UTC No. 16357037
>>16357008
Wow this is just like Elon who is fighting against an authoritarian gov seizing his company's assets illegally after not abiding by orders to censor local politicians by the same authoritarian gov. Wow, so unhinged.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:05:45 UTC No. 16357038
>>16357037
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:06:29 UTC No. 16357040
>>16357037
>who is fighting against an authoritarian gov
some fight
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:09:56 UTC No. 16357046
>>16357040
It would be funny if Musk asks US courts to seize Brazillan government assets in US starting with liquidation of the Brazil's embassies
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:11:20 UTC No. 16357048
>>16357035
>These are still people. With no nature and constant exposure to purely functional industrial forms they'll probably yearn for the opposite.
see this is your experience as an earther holding your thoughts back. human dwellings on earth bare very little resemblance to nature, and where they do it's only because of the available building and decorating materials.
do you think martians will put faux wood grain on their plastic? they sure as hell won't be building with real wood.
even your drawing used to illustrate a "human" feeling area is only awash in earth tones because that's what color the building materials start out as. I can't say for sure that they will use white paint for everything, but don't expect it to have any resemblance to nature.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:12:10 UTC No. 16357050
>>16356924
the sun fuckin hates everything
we should spend at least 5 minutes out of every day thanking the magnetic field of earth that life can even exist, using a compass as an object of worship
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:12:56 UTC No. 16357051
>>16357037
The starlink seizure is real fucked up
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:13:06 UTC No. 16357053
https://x.com/drjolatunji/status/18
VASIMR is REAL
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:14:08 UTC No. 16357057
>>16357050
Go to mass on sunday, abstain on fridays, and fast often. The sun and the stars are a gift to bask in
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:14:45 UTC No. 16357060
>>16356951
>once again NASA refuses to acknowledge starship HLS
orbital period of the airlock, soon
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:19:52 UTC No. 16357069
>>16357053
>90 W
>1 N
Either it’s heavy as all shit or they lyin’
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:21:25 UTC No. 16357070
>>16357048
Normal people just think
>that looks nice
or
>that looks like shit
If your city is barren shithole because some faggot Earther was going on about "contexts in the spaces" or whatever then you'd be justified in flinging Deimos at them
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:24:22 UTC No. 16357076
>everyone itt is an earther
grim
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:25:41 UTC No. 16357078
>>16357053
So does it eat itself like a Hall effect thruster or what
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:26:23 UTC No. 16357079
>>16357053
That doesn't seem to be VASIMR, they'd have slapped the acronym all over the paper and the test stand.
>>16357069
>100W per coil
>20 coils
>all coils cryocooled to 70K
It's heavy as shit
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:28:34 UTC No. 16357082
OMG that is so true!! It is indeed grim!
Haha! grim! lol! lmao! grim, grim, grim!!!
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:32:24 UTC No. 16357085
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:32:25 UTC No. 16357086
you can't go to mars
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:35:25 UTC No. 16357092
>>16357086
[math]\unicode{x1F3AF}[/math]
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:37:12 UTC No. 16357096
>>16357003
>>16357004
People will abandon Tentland for the manufactured canyons as soon as the canyons become feasible to build
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:39:09 UTC No. 16357101
>>16357096
Bogus. Pretty much all of /sfg/ is super delusional about what a realistic Mars colony will look like and how it will function
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:39:16 UTC No. 16357102
>>16356964
>abort to orbit
If Gateway is in the wrong phase you are fucked
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:39:34 UTC No. 16357103
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:40:25 UTC No. 16357105
>>16357086
true
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:40:45 UTC No. 16357106
>>16357082
Concerning
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:41:16 UTC No. 16357107
>>16357086
never say never
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:41:23 UTC No. 16357108
Will the Boring Company have it's fleet of RITG powered Mars TBMs ready in time?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:42:11 UTC No. 16357109
>>16357108
no hahah
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:42:20 UTC No. 16357110
>>16357102
>abort to orbit
>the orbit in question is Neptune's and you'll arrive in 72 years
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:42:53 UTC No. 16357111
>>16357086
Explain why
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:43:37 UTC No. 16357113
>>16357108
We just won't need tunnels. Musk should've devoted some engineer time to the problem before sperging out and making a company based on his vibes of what a Mars city would need.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:43:51 UTC No. 16357114
>>16357108
By 2030? Possibly might have 1 ready for Martian use.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:44:14 UTC No. 16357115
>>16357021
arcades definitely seem plausible
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:44:38 UTC No. 16357117
>>16357111
We're still on page 1. His reason might be that there's a dome over the sky
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:46:06 UTC No. 16357118
>>16357096
>>16357115
>city sized arcade
I get it now
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:46:12 UTC No. 16357120
>>16357113
Human have done extremely limited digging and seismic studies of the Martian subsurface. No one has a clue how the dynamics of regolith compaction and structural geology works. It’s not happening. Just because it’s in your scifi fantasy doesn’t mean we can do it for real
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:47:11 UTC No. 16357122
>>16357086
yet
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:47:18 UTC No. 16357123
>>16357120
Did you mean to reply to me? I said we won't need tunnels
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:49:33 UTC No. 16357127
>>16357086
>you can't learn japanese
>you can't go to mars
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:50:41 UTC No. 16357130
>>16357123
Nope sorry mate
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:50:42 UTC No. 16357131
>>16357126
>100 tons
Keeping the same dV with the new raptors actually gets you 250 tons
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:51:42 UTC No. 16357132
>>16357130
No worries big dog
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:52:31 UTC No. 16357134
"Gravity & acceleration are the same" - Einstein. Yes, but why? #QI tells us in a testable way. The inertial force (a real force) from acceleration is caused by a Rindler horizon making a gradient in the quantum background. Gravity is caused by matter making a similar gradient.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:53:35 UTC No. 16357136
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:54:02 UTC No. 16357137
>>16357126
>ordered by height
Anon, that's little dishonest
>>16357131
>250 tons
How many elephants into orbit is that? Can we have a space zoo?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:54:18 UTC No. 16357138
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:54:20 UTC No. 16357139
>>16357126
If anything this just makes Rocket Lab look the most retarded hahah
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:55:01 UTC No. 16357140
>>16356876
calm down Jeff
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:58:40 UTC No. 16357143
>>16357137
>Can we have a space zoo?
With genetically altered phyletic dwarfism you can transport a species with a complex social structure, like elephants, in large enough numbers to avoid population or psychological issues. When your extraterrestrial civilization has enough resources to throw around you can then reduce the dwarfism and seamlessly transition to a normal population. There's only a few species this really matters for. Elephants, whales, basically anything large with a language and culture.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:59:41 UTC No. 16357145
>>16357143
>reduce
reverse
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:01:58 UTC No. 16357149
>>16357138
Time and space are just a result of gravity breaking down into lower dimensions. It's how you fix quantum gravity and entanglement.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:02:32 UTC No. 16357150
>>16357008
Decades ago this was shocking, but now it's just an average NEET goon session.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:02:47 UTC No. 16357151
>>16357139
It's going to be interesting watching them fight it out with Northrop over who gets to be the Antares of reusable spaceflight.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:03:42 UTC No. 16357152
>>16357150
Kek
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:04:34 UTC No. 16357153
>>16357149
Hydrium just a result of the flower of life breaking down into the tetrium. It's how you fix 1x1=2 and harmonics.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:04:40 UTC No. 16357154
>>16357143
We've seen that nonhuman intelligent animals suffer from artificial environments because they're not flexible enough to adapt. Masturbating chimps, wilted orca fins, generally crashed birth rates, etc. It only makes sense to bring those animals off world when their habitats would be measured in tens of square kilometers.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:05:31 UTC No. 16357156
>>16357126
>100t reusable
not yet
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:07:24 UTC No. 16357159
>>16357154
No arguments from me. We'll likely only see pets and livestock in our lifetime. But if you wanted to bring the Bronx zoo into orbit that's a way to do it.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:07:34 UTC No. 16357160
>>16356821
I think about that giantess fetish novel that used its name and image every time I see it
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:09:22 UTC No. 16357163
>>16357126
>Vulcan is the most capable rocket in the lineup that's actually flying
ULAchads, I kneel
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:09:27 UTC No. 16357164
>>16357153
Delete this.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:12:33 UTC No. 16357166
>>16357126
New Armstrong is missing in that image
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:12:42 UTC No. 16357168
>>16357019
so like Venusville from Total Recall?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:18:38 UTC No. 16357179
>>16357168
No. Martians will be working in the factory all day, they won't want to come home to one too
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:22:49 UTC No. 16357182
>>16357163
>Falcon Heavy not pictured
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:23:30 UTC No. 16357185
>>16357182
That's three rockets. It doesn't count
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:25:46 UTC No. 16357187
>>16356759
its closer to 600
many have been tested to destruction, Starhopper, SN5,SN6 had one engine each
SN8,SN9,SN10,SN11 had 3 engines each and most of them had 1 or 2 engines replaced after static fires and such and blew up during or after the test
SN15 succeeded, but obviously the engines become obsolete pretty quickly, at this point you have probably blown up or scrapped like 30 engines, who knows how many just on the engine test stand
IFT-1,IFT-2,IFT-3,IFT-4 all used 33+6 engines each so 156 in total, bunch of engines were tested and scrapped etc during that so probably 200?
then you have IFT-5 and IFT-6 even before Starship v2, you are at probably at about 300-350 engines that have been blown up at test stands, blown up during launches, obsolete or scrapped due to faulty manufacturing
Starship V2 is going to use Raptor 2s still I'm pretty sure, Raptor 3 and Starship V3 are happening together, how long is it going to take to start mass manufacturing the V3s? might take like a year or more
with 300 engines in storage, they can launch something like 5-7 Starship V2 stacks before they run out
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:26:57 UTC No. 16357189
>>16357182
Falcon heavy may someday come about, it's on the drawing board right now.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:28:24 UTC No. 16357192
>>16357166
New Armstrong has never actually been proven to exist. There's a good chance that "New Glenn" was originally the BE-3 powered mid-range vehicle that would have launched Blue's biconic crew capsule and what was planned to be New Armstrong ended up the New Glenn we have.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:32:47 UTC No. 16357198
>>16357179
>be earthling
>get worker visa for mars
>work all day in factory
>breed your +2m tall martian waifu every night
Sign me up.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:34:29 UTC No. 16357199
>>16357198
>by the time the extra tall Martian born babes are legal I will be too old
You can not imagine the despair I feel
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:34:56 UTC No. 16357201
>>16357198
holy shitt
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:36:02 UTC No. 16357202
>>16357198
I desperately need a space gf to ruin my life
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:39:37 UTC No. 16357208
I fail to understand how radiators work in the vacuum of space
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:41:44 UTC No. 16357210
>>16357182
It ain't that easy in rocketry
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:47:20 UTC No. 16357216
>>16357208
they radiate
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:47:35 UTC No. 16357217
>>16357208
Magic.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:47:51 UTC No. 16357219
>>16357208
tiny amounts of atmosphere touch the radiators
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:53:10 UTC No. 16357225
>>16357208
space isnt a pure vacuum
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:55:21 UTC No. 16357232
>>16357208
There's conduction, convection and ___________.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:55:49 UTC No. 16357233
>>16356776
there is only one or maybe a handful built, the first one got static fired for the first time like a month ago
they are nowhere near using them on flight hardware yet
The first ship V2 hasn't even been built yet either
maybe they could use V3 raptors on V2 ships but both the booster and ship are going to be stretched with v3 raptors due to higher thrust
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:57:46 UTC No. 16357237
>>16356839
Nanoracks Starlab abandoned inflatables I'm pretty sure
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:59:27 UTC No. 16357239
>>16357168
i prefer them both sleazy and demure
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:00:26 UTC No. 16357240
>>16357208
They glow in infrared, that glow is heat energy escaping into the vacuum of space
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:00:41 UTC No. 16357241
>>16357208
by the power of positive thought
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:02:45 UTC No. 16357244
>>16357208
Thermal radiation. When it glows red that means something is leaving the object to hit your eyes. The energy leaves the system so it cools.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:03:43 UTC No. 16357248
>>16356938
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/182
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:05:30 UTC No. 16357250
>>16357208
space is filled with aether and it takes the heat away
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:05:31 UTC No. 16357251
>>16357248
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-s
might have Falcon Heavy and then 3 days after that New Glenn maiden launch
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:06:07 UTC No. 16357252
>>16357208
Learn up on pilot wave theory son
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:07:34 UTC No. 16357257
>>16357251
I still don't like BO but I think New Glenn's maiden launch will be successful
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:08:32 UTC No. 16357260
>>16357232
condensation?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:09:43 UTC No. 16357263
>>16357258
Ugh of course
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:09:46 UTC No. 16357264
>>16357258
If I ever set foot in America, I'll try all slop that isn't available in Europe. All we have is KFC, McD and Burger King. And I think Popeye's opened its first restaurants here recently.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:10:57 UTC No. 16357266
>>16357131
>Keeping the same dV with the new raptors actually gets you 250 tons
Not quite v3 was what they're finally hoping to get to 100t reusable.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:11:52 UTC No. 16357267
>>16357264
Popeye is miles ahead of KFC. I hope they will bring the blueberry cheese pie across the pond soon.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:16:49 UTC No. 16357273
>>16357264
Supposedly fast food is better in europe though because of local sourcing laws. I’ve heard Burger King in europe is considered pretty good. In america it’s considered the lowest-tier goyslop alongside subway and long john silver’s. Nasty shit.
Chic-fil-a is goated though; get a spicy deluxe with pepperjack cheese, no pickle, and throw ketchup on that bitch. Add a peach milkshake, too, if its summer time
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:19:35 UTC No. 16357274
>>16356951
its not, it exist so that SLS + Artmeis have a reason to exist, which itself exist to keep giving lucrative contracts to old shuttle contractors
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:26:20 UTC No. 16357282
>>16356952
fucking based
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:29:01 UTC No. 16357285
>>16356952
He should enter Henry Ford arc instead.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:50:00 UTC No. 16357311
>>16357285
Elon isn’t a noticer.
In every other way though he is essentially WvB
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:51:57 UTC No. 16357314
>>16357008
I've been living the life of a billionaire all this time?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:52:45 UTC No. 16357316
>>16357086
soon
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:55:03 UTC No. 16357323
>>16356952
>>16357285
The unique Elon arc we are witnessing in real time, whatever its called, is absolutely based.
I like where this is going, excitement guaranteed.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:56:59 UTC No. 16357324
Does mars have weeks?
How will "closed sunday" work for Chickfila?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:58:42 UTC No. 16357326
>>16357257
will /sfg/ be forced to stop clowning on Blue if escaPADE is successful and they start regularly flying Kuiper missions?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:59:36 UTC No. 16357330
>>16357323
I really hope he isn't too autistic to conceal his power level when he finally realizes. Nothing would more thoroughly put an end to the dream of Mars than Elon passing that barrier publicly
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:59:39 UTC No. 16357331
>>16357326
Nope still gonna clown. There’s plenty of material to make fun of, believe me
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 21:59:47 UTC No. 16357332
>>16357328
actually news or is this just the 100th "SPACEX to CATCH TOWER SOON" video
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:02:22 UTC No. 16357339
>>16357330
Elon maxxed out thyroid-associated general intelligence autism, i.e. he can hyperfixate on topics like rocket engines, car production, etc and learn as much as he can to understand things on a fundamental level.
He does not, however, have pattern recognition autism. He has an inability to organically connect dots.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:02:30 UTC No. 16357340
>>16357332
the latter I'm pretty sure
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:03:32 UTC No. 16357341
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:03:59 UTC No. 16357342
>>16357324
There isn't really a real calendar yet because no one lives there. You could do 24 months a year with alternating 28-29 days each plus leap years. Much like the earth calendar, you just just cram a 7 day week amongst that mess and it pretty much works fine.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:04:06 UTC No. 16357343
>>16357126
200t
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:04:34 UTC No. 16357345
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:06:42 UTC No. 16357346
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:07:17 UTC No. 16357348
where is star hopper going
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:07:55 UTC No. 16357349
>>16357346
pad installation on both chopsticks nearly finished
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:08:36 UTC No. 16357350
>>16357348
Probably intricately displayed inside the new building a la the hanging Dragon 1 at hawthorne, I’d imagine
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:08:57 UTC No. 16357352
>>16357348
the new office building maybe
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:10:07 UTC No. 16357355
>>16357353
Wait wut I’ve never heard of this, but I’ve never considered it I guess. That’s insane, unironically, if true
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:10:35 UTC No. 16357356
>>16357182
Vulcan is real, you've seen it down in Alabama
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:12:11 UTC No. 16357358
>>16357353
1/3 the angular width or 1/3 the surface area?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:12:51 UTC No. 16357360
>>16357355
This was taken by the HiRISE camera aboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter in 2007. You can even see the moons.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:13:21 UTC No. 16357362
>>16357348
>>16357350
>>16357352
RGV aerial photography answered this pretty definitively with evidence from their flyover on Friday. Its just moving across Hwy 4 so the public can gawk at it, its not worthy of a museum, it was a hastily slapped together pile of shit that people have affection for some reason.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:13:51 UTC No. 16357363
>>16357358
Width im afraid. Still kino
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:14:19 UTC No. 16357367
>>16357362
You have no faith of the heart. Sad!
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:15:27 UTC No. 16357369
>>16357363
Still large enough to make out the bands and spot with the naked eye
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:15:42 UTC No. 16357370
>>16357362
>it was a hastily slapped together pile of shit
That's every single booster and ship tho
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:19:10 UTC No. 16357376
>>16357353
>never an image of this from Percy or the other rovers
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:20:58 UTC No. 16357377
>>16357376
Go try to take a photo of the Moon with your smartphone.
Good at capturing pics of rocks, not so good at imaging the sky
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:23:55 UTC No. 16357381
so i just found out that astornomers have discovered hundreds of dyson spheres near the galactic core and even gave them their own classification. what are the spaceflight implications? https://www.keckobservatory.org/g-o
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:25:58 UTC No. 16357385
>>16357377
if Percy can take this photo it can take a photo of Jupiter
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:27:00 UTC No. 16357387
>>16357381
gb2x
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:27:08 UTC No. 16357389
>>16357343
and deeper in debt?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:29:33 UTC No. 16357396
>>16357367
Its just moving across the street, both as to remain as a publicly viewable and touchable historic artifact (that wont crumble to bits in the weather like lithium-aluminum alloy rockets), and it continues to serve as a communications tower, surveillance point, and water storage (if they wish) from that location. Its fine with me, I don't want to see this turd embedded in SpaceX HQ, it belongs where it is. There will be a rocket garden close to the road as well to store ships in the launch queue.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:31:25 UTC No. 16357401
>>16357385
Enticing point, I take back what I said
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:34:30 UTC No. 16357407
>>16357396
I wonder what they did with Ship 29 after it splashed down. Was there any sort of recovery effort or did it just sink after tip over damage?
Would be cool to display one of these first successful ships (or the first official “factory” Starship if it survives multiple rounds of Starlink launches and gets an early retirement)
They could build out a long barn attached to the office headquarters and display the first significant ship and booster like they display the Saturn V at JSC and KSC
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:37:31 UTC No. 16357414
>>16357353
>innumerate anons believing this
sfg_is_retarded.png
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:45:22 UTC No. 16357433
>>16357407
>I wonder what they did with Ship 29 after it splashed down
It sank. No attempt to recover.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:52:51 UTC No. 16357439
>>16357433
Yeah I figured so. The landing was impressive as shit but the tip must have been expectedly too rough for survival. Current ships can’t even lay horizontal.
I also wonder if they had plans to fire the FTS assuming the ship or booster somehow survived the tip over and floated as junk
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 22:56:14 UTC No. 16357445
>>16357414
>Moon from Earth is 0.5 degrees
>Jupiter is 577,447,780 km from Mars at the closest and 142,800 km wide
>Jupiter from Mars is therefore ~0.14 degrees
>~0.14/0.5=~0.28
>1/3rd the width
You could've done the math yourself man
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:07:51 UTC No. 16357458
>>16357445
nta but what did this anon mean >>16357358
Is “1/3 the angular width” not the exact same scale as “1/3 the surface area”?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:11:59 UTC No. 16357461
>>16357458
I said 1/3rd the size but meant 1/3rd the apparent width. I was too general for such an autistic topic I think. Regardless, >>16357369, which is pretty cool
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:13:19 UTC No. 16357463
>>16357458
Wait no, I see what you're asking. Anon that's like 9th grade geometry man, what the fuck
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:17:53 UTC No. 16357472
>>16357463
>expecting /sfg/ to understand middle school math
shiggy
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:20:43 UTC No. 16357478
>>16357463
I get it now, don’t bully I’m at the club drunk
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:33:02 UTC No. 16357494
today in schizo news someone on reddit who is obsessed with spacex, the Friday TV show, and the 2006 Bully video game is claiming he has a launch contract pending with FH for a sat named after his favorite Bully character or something. I don't even know anymore man
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:37:11 UTC No. 16357499
>>16357118
City-sized arcade that reaches a kilometer into the ground. Public green space/pseudo-wilderness along most of the canyon floor.
Obviously not a first-gen thing, but Martians should strive for literal unearthly beauty in their public works when such things become possible.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:40:54 UTC No. 16357504
>>16357445
You are wrong
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:41:54 UTC No. 16357507
What's the point of sending shit to Mars if terraforming isn't currently possible?
Trying to start a manned colony there would be extremely expensive and the colony itself would be extremely vulnerable in ways that not even current astronauts are. If something went catastrophically wrong there would be no recourse whatsoever.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:43:53 UTC No. 16357512
>>16357494
Pretty standard schizo nonsense
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:44:35 UTC No. 16357513
>>16357507
Because the United States of America has infinite money, and fosters free enterprise like SpaceX and Starlink which can generate infinite money, and because it’s cool, and just because life will be “rough” at first doesn’t mean we need to solve all of our problems in one single generation and we leave Mars for our children just a little bit better than we were born into it and integrated over time Mars becomes more and more “habitable” by Earth standards
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:46:49 UTC No. 16357515
>>16357513
Oh and because if >we don’t do it, someone else (China) will land grab everything with dystopian chink settlements and liveleak logos everywhere but they won’t care as long as they control it uncontested
Part of why we go is to spread american ideals (often shortened to just “freedom”) and to ensure that those american ideals have more than just one place to thrive
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Sep 2024 23:56:25 UTC No. 16357523
>>16357478
>posting on /sfg/ at the club drunk
based
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:02:44 UTC No. 16357528
>>16357504
>misplaced a decimal
FUCK
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:04:10 UTC No. 16357531
>>16357507
You don't need terraforming to live there. >>16357003
>>16357004
>>16357019
>>16357021
It's that easy.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:04:32 UTC No. 16357532
>>16357528
It is easier to use an comma for mathematics.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:08:53 UTC No. 16357534
>>16357507
>colony itself would be extremely vulnerable in ways that not even current astronauts are
Current astronauts don't have access to a surface area equivalent to all land on earth, water ice, a thin but useful atmosphere, or the rocket architecture that would mean you could have 10x redundant systems for not much cost. Also pressurized volumes are easier than space stations. >>16357531
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:15:43 UTC No. 16357545
>>16357534
Yup I think The Martian, in all its redditry, has done a ton of damage to the average psyche. You wouldn’t really ever be in a situation where you are permanently stuck fighting for survival. Perhaps if we tried a flags-and-footprints mission in the 90s or 00s or 2010s maybe; but at this point it’s looking pretty solid that we will just preload a lush area with tons of cargo and hardware. And Starship gives us the ability to spam so much food and resources and cargo at any given time towards Mars. There will be more than enough options to return to low martian orbit, and the colony will more likely than not be designed so that if something catastrophic goes wrong in a hab or a section, it could just be sectioned off while repair is done. There is probably going to be redundant life boats, redundant solar and nuclear power, redundant life support.
ISS is nice because you can bug out back to Earth, but we landed multiple men on the Moon back in the damn 1970s so it’s obviously not impossible. And Mars offers even more than the Moon.
It’s daunting because it’s far away, but transit in a vehicle to and from Earth and Mars is not really any sort of unsolvable scary issue
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:26:10 UTC No. 16357557
>>16356951
Poor Japan. The only thing worse than the national embarrassment that is NASA is riding bitch on gay shit like the gateway. (I would spit on the Euros, but they enjoy that shit.)
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:29:40 UTC No. 16357560
>>16357545
In general the normie perception has not caught up to the approaching paradigm shift. It will probably be very confusing for people to have a passing familiarity with these super constrained flags and footprints missions only to see a factory city begin from mission one.
Also stupid shit like in my pic being presented as a legitimate plan
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:30:19 UTC No. 16357561
>>16356978
planet
Mars is a planet
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:33:56 UTC No. 16357567
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:35:19 UTC No. 16357571
Have there been any renders or discussion about a human Starship to mars would look like on the interior? That dearmoon guy wanted wood panel interiors and the lap of luxery.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:39:20 UTC No. 16357580
>>16357571
We don’t even have an HLS Moonship mockup bro, don’t hold your breath here
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:39:22 UTC No. 16357581
>>16357571
It probably would be the lunar HLS layout with some nice details like were planned for dear moon. They'll need to live in it in 0g for nearly a year and then live in it on the surface for some indeterminate amount of time. They may work so well as prefab apartments that people live in them for decades. That should be taken into consideration when designing the visuals.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:40:05 UTC No. 16357582
>>16357154
>We've seen that intelligent animals suffer from artificial environments...
fyp
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:45:10 UTC No. 16357592
>>16357311
>Elon isn’t a noticer.
his "who owns the media" comment and the over-reaction that followed beg to differ
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:47:33 UTC No. 16357598
>>16357504
Yeah, I had to try that math myself. Jupiter looks 14% wider from Mars. Pic related is Jupiter from Mars.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:48:04 UTC No. 16357599
>>16357592
It's not at all clear that he intended that remark to be about jews, even though jews immediately interpreted it that way.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:48:10 UTC No. 16357600
>>16357581
THE hardest part of a mars colony is vetting people who are mentally stable enough to stay in their room for days on end without claustrophobia or cabin fever, but who also interact well and actually like going outside at the same time.
Remember during covid quarantine when western society started legit crying tears of sadness because they were told to stay home for two weeks? Neurotic mental breakdowns, and that was easy mode. And, unfortunately, the people who got swept up in grief the most seemed to be the same type of people who were heavily involved on college campus; who loved organizing social events at work; who loved being extroverted—and these type of people are more often than not very smart and successful and would otherwise make for good colonists. But there is a psychological barrier that needs to be conquered if you want to be a Mars colonist. They aren’t cut from the cloth that can make it. But neither are introverted selfish slobs.
It might literally be 100 more years of doctor-navy seal-engineer-lawyer-indian chief people such as Jonny Kim who get selected simply by virtue of the fact that these people check enough physical and mental boxes to stay in a starship-sized box for a year and not lose their mind like a normie
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:53:21 UTC No. 16357615
>>16357592
He was not talking about Jewish people with that remark; anal retentive, maligned jews just wanted to find insults between the lines and have an excuse to feel slighted to gain social currency (they have done this ever since the destruction of their temple and expulsion from Judea/Palaestina)
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:56:48 UTC No. 16357619
>>16357571
>a human Starship to mars would look like on the interior?
one of these needs to be installed for sure
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 00:59:37 UTC No. 16357625
>>16357600
>THE hardest part of a mars colony is vetting people who are mentally stable enough to stay in their room for days on end without claustrophobia or cabin fever
then recruiting from /sfg/ would give them a good harvest
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:02:31 UTC No. 16357630
>>16357619
Knowing Elon's autism he would actually salvage the helm from some sunken wreck. Kino for sure
captcha: GYAT
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:02:59 UTC No. 16357631
>>16357625
farmsteading on mars would be nice
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:06:12 UTC No. 16357638
>>16357625
I would 100% take a multi-year contract to trundle around Mars solo in a beefed-up rover, mapping the terrain and taking prospecting samples.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:07:37 UTC No. 16357641
>>16357600
Space colonization is the domain of high-functioning autists
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:09:31 UTC No. 16357644
>>16357599
>>16357615
not his only tweet
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:10:01 UTC No. 16357646
>>16357641
Hahah it’s so true
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:11:01 UTC No. 16357648
>>16357600
I don't think this is really a problem as much as it is a hidden benefit. The requirements of the trip select for high productivity, efficiency and alignment with space exploration.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:11:04 UTC No. 16357649
>>16357644
Wait holup he was cooking here. Is this real?
Maybe he really does notice… hmm
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:12:40 UTC No. 16357652
>>16357631
>>16357638
>>16357641
>yfw the lag makes shitposting and participating in happening threads on /sfg/ impossible
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:14:49 UTC No. 16357653
>>16357652
Mars will have its own turboautist anonymous intranet imageboard connected via Martian starlink sats
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:14:59 UTC No. 16357655
>>16357652
earth problems can stay on earth, ill be posting on /mars/
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:15:00 UTC No. 16357656
>>16357631
being one of the first "blue collar" miners or farmers on mars would be one hell of an experience. I would be lying if I said I didn't think about being a humble maintenance tech on some far off mars colony.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:18:07 UTC No. 16357660
>>16357652
stupid frogposter
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:18:12 UTC No. 16357661
>>16357600
the people who were broken by two more weeks of isolation at home aren't the same kind of people who end up becoming astronauts and pilots
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:21:20 UTC No. 16357665
>>16357600
Just pick people past the age where you have a psychotic break if you're prone to it, they do that all the time.
>stay in their room for days on end
>100 more years
Hey woah easy now. Within a few windows we'll have reasonably sized pressurized volumes, within a few decades we'll have parks. The guys that show up to the hostile wasteland will need to be psychologically robust but we're there to build a city.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:23:57 UTC No. 16357668
>>16357598
>Jupiter looks 14% wider from Mars
It's over
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:24:08 UTC No. 16357669
>>16357652
bruh i'm a /3/ poster. I patiently wait MONTHS for a response to my shitposts.
Only zoomerbrains expect instant gratification.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:27:13 UTC No. 16357676
a Xichang Long March just launched according to a couple livestream made by locals, visibility was shit so it could only be heard, not seen.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:29:20 UTC No. 16357679
>>16357652
TCP doesn't work interplanetary because of light lag. You'd need something like rms's "use email to request a batch download of web pages" process that executes the fetch Earthside, just to read a thread never mind post.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:32:18 UTC No. 16357684
>>16357679
Receiving a physical microSD from earth that dumps a 4ch catalog/post update, and sending one back full of shitposts (all the threads have long since archived)
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:34:43 UTC No. 16357689
>>16356426
I'm convinced half of these companies are repeats of the British shadow factory program.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:35:52 UTC No. 16357691
>>16357684
That could take a full synod. Mail riding a laser pony comes back in an hour or so, round trip.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:38:58 UTC No. 16357695
>>16357691
The federal mail logo of Mars needs to incorporate a laser or a satellite of some sort in the logo
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:40:51 UTC No. 16357698
>>16356428
This footage is Astra's greatest (and arguably only) contribution to spaceflight. Genuinely might be the funniest orbital launch failure ever.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:40:56 UTC No. 16357699
>>16357679
Fuck the speed of light.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:41:15 UTC No. 16357702
>>16357208
luminiferous ether
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:41:26 UTC No. 16357703
>>16357695
Actually just kidding I’m pretty sure it would jsut be “US Mail” I don’t think Mars would need its own federal entities, much less mail which is all digital anyways.
Once Artemis takes off in like 10-20 yrs I wonder if I could mail a physical letter to the surface of the Moon? Can I drop a physical letter in my mailbox right now and have it mailed to, say, Matthew Dominick addressed to the ISS? I suppose they would just keep it at JSC and wait for him to come home
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:44:35 UTC No. 16357709
>>16357679
ok just use a different protocol
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:51:46 UTC No. 16357717
>>16357698
The flight software was honestly pretty impressive to keep it strictly flamey end down until the range safety offcer blew the FTS. Most other rockets would have tipped over and exploded like a breaching whale.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:53:32 UTC No. 16357722
>>16357676
https://x.com/PhilSpaceAgency/statu
>The Philippine Space Agency (PhilSA) confirms the launch of the Long March 4B rocket from the People’s Republic of China around 09:20 AM PhST on 03 September 2024.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:57:40 UTC No. 16357727
>>16356978
Then he can finally say something anti-semitic without having to go to the wooden doored gas chambers with ben "dual-citizen" shapiro
This is THE reason Mars will become a nuclear armed state ASAP
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:59:33 UTC No. 16357729
>>16357168
Isn't that Ensign Clumsy from star trek?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:00:53 UTC No. 16357730
>>16357729
is it?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:01:47 UTC No. 16357731
Did you know Uranus is bigger than the full Moon when viewed from Mercury?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:02:04 UTC No. 16357732
>>16357727
Kind of a logistical nightmare when you still rely on TX and FL launches for basically everything. Self sufficiency is way down the road, and you don’t want to be isolationist and expect to be fully self-sufficient from an economic standpoint.
(((They))) will Rhodesi-ACK the martian experiment without hesitation if they see fit
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:04:45 UTC No. 16357735
>>16357730
>this was considered sexy by people in the 80s
wtf
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:06:02 UTC No. 16357736
>>16357735
Denise crosby was NOT hot I don’t think anyone thought that hahah
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:07:06 UTC No. 16357737
rocket in shi colour
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:07:30 UTC No. 16357738
>>16357735
Yes, there were a lot more heterosexuals back then. You'd have been fag bashed every day.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:07:32 UTC No. 16357739
>>16357732
Them and what army? Mars-launched Starship can intercept anything sent from Earth.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:10:21 UTC No. 16357743
>>16357739
the United States military, anon. The most formidable military in the history of the world. It would take less than 5 minutes to blockade starbase and shoot down any cargo Starship launching to Mars. They would let the planet starve and turn to skeletons and robots and computers running out of power until nothing is left but dust
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:14:47 UTC No. 16357750
>>16357730
She can join my rape gang anyday
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:42:48 UTC No. 16357775
>>16357743
NTA, agree. Things only change after full self sufficiency and even then it's tenuous. Earth industry would be far more capable than a lone Martian city so if it's a numbers game Mars loses. Plus you just need to poke a hole in a bubble to kill everyone. We'll get there though.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:47:23 UTC No. 16357778
>suitports?
>crewed rovers?
>robotics?
>TBMs?
>studies to determine geologic feasibility of TBMs?
>site selection?
>studies to locate candidate sites?
>commital to mission hardware instead of just various habitat prototypes?
>long term antarctic studies with said hardware?
>overall mission architecture TBD
>crew size/selection TBD
>funding
Doesn't seem like enough serious work is being done on mission hardware and planning to support humans on the Martian surface which is going to delay a manned mission by a decade or more. Starship is the easy part. I'd love to be told I'm wrong on this but as far as I can tell we're way behind the curve and basically procrastinating because it's still 'decades away' in the minds of old space.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:48:59 UTC No. 16357782
>>16357775
I do agree, there is a time when Mars could be independent. But I think it would require new pipelines. New economies around Mercury, the asteroid belt, Ceres. Basically multiple places that can feed supply chains and offer materials that you would otherwise be dependent on Earth for.
Hypothetically though, or course. There would be no incentive to actually cut Earth off from an economic sense unless the political situation got out of hand but we’re assuming some sort of, I don’t know, mega communist take over do the entire globe or something—and at that point it would unironically be worth it to stockpile nuclear armaments all around the solar system and one day just declare armageddon and glass the entire planet in one go
>>16357769
Once again I can’t help but interpret every single Beck post as “hello, investors”. It doesn’t feel genuine anymore. It feels like these are calculated posts
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:51:19 UTC No. 16357786
>>16357743
>the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities
Nope, sorry sweaty, read the Starshield terms of service
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:53:22 UTC No. 16357790
>>16357782
>Anyone got any payloads? Please? I wanted to launch twenty times this year
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:54:48 UTC No. 16357791
>>16357778
You’re kind to right. We can do it slowly, the hardest part being what SpaceX is doing now (brute forcing the vehicle and logistical aspects) that simply leaves choosing a nice landing area (not hard with remote sensing data, which we happen to have a TON of for the planet Mars) and we can do simple habitats with life support and power and scale it up as large as we need.
I think the things you are suggesting should have been done since the circa 1960s (unfortunately public support for space took a nose dive after Apollo 11 and WvB’s mars project went down with it) and alternatively NASA should have gotten serious about humans to Mars around the circa 1990s to 2000s
But you know what maybe it’s good we didn’t! We did this with the Moon—preparing for a return since the early 2000s through constellation and now SLS and look where we are. Billions and billions are about to be thrown out the window because private space such as Starship completely negates all the outdated work. It’s good we are just starting R&D for manned Mars now, because we have just entered the era of affordable and realistic Mars settlements from the private sector
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 02:57:49 UTC No. 16357794
>>16357786
Is that still in there?
Also lol the US would do whatever it pleases whenever it pleases let us be realistic here anon.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:07:24 UTC No. 16357800
i have a question. if we send a satellite one light year away and it was alway sending data(video) back to us while it travel a to b. will we see video in real time as it traveled and once it got their and stays?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:13:12 UTC No. 16357804
>>16357791
NASA has done ongoing studies for the last several decades but none of them have led to serious proposals due to the funding that wouldn've been required. I also think NASA is reluctant to send people until the life on Mars question is answered, except they haven't been allowed to answer it for political reasons ever since the Viking experiments. Hence the ongoing searching for evidence of liquid water once existing despite the overwhelming evidence already gathered and the fact that nobody seriously doubts this any longer. They're happy to keep kicking the can down the road in the mean time.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:14:26 UTC No. 16357805
>>16357786
>Urfers threaten Mars
>Every single starlink boosts to 600 km orbit and detonates
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:16:52 UTC No. 16357807
>>16357800
The video feed would be redshifted via the doppler effect so it would appear to slow down, slowly approaching no motion in the video at all
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:17:57 UTC No. 16357811
>>16357794
umm, try again?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:27:15 UTC No. 16357818
>>16357805
So began the age of space piracy
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:43:40 UTC No. 16357826
>>16357805
Oh shit I didn't think about that. What the fuck that would really do it, wouldn't it? A company with Martian interests and a LEO constellation could hold the Earth hostage
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:46:18 UTC No. 16357827
>>16357782
>mercury, belt, ceres
What is Mars missing as far as raw materials? If stuff is too distributed it would be cheaper to churn up more dirt rather than ship it from elsewhere in the solar system
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:49:13 UTC No. 16357828
>>16357791
There's been quite a lot of progress privately. Once again space is not hard. Also once you solve for cheap pressurized volume your development cost and requirements goes way down. You can just use shit already developed for Earth. I think there's less innovation needed than people think.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:51:02 UTC No. 16357830
>>16357778
You've got it backwards. Getting mass to orbit IS the hardest part which is why Elon and SpaceX is working so hard on Starship. Even if we don't have a lot of the technologies required to make Mars habitable and self-sustaining yet, having those technologies in the present would be pointless if there wasn't any economical way to get those technologies to Mars. No one is going to bother colonizing Mars if it is too expensive. The biggest barrier to spaceflight has always been just how hard and expensive it is to get shit off our planet.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:51:31 UTC No. 16357831
>>16357827
Nitrogen possibly. Maybe phosphorus and fluorine.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:53:53 UTC No. 16357833
>>16357831
Mars' atmosphere is about 3% nitrogen. It's not a lot, but getting at it shouldn't be that much harder than pulling Argon out of our air.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:57:09 UTC No. 16357838
>>16357786
>sorry sweaty
Don't talk like a faggot, even in jest.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:57:28 UTC No. 16357839
>>16357827
>What is Mars missing as far as raw materials?
Women.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 04:10:55 UTC No. 16357847
>>16357833
Mars atmosphere may only be 3% nitrogen but on top of that it's also less than 1% the thickness of Earth's. This means the entirety of the Martian atmosphere is roughly equal to the total amount of Argon in our atmosphere, to give an example of just how thin it is. I don't think nitrogen extraction from the Martian atmosphere will be viable.
Realistically nitrogen will have to be imported from other celestial bodies, probably harvested in the form of Ammonia, unless there happens to be nitrogen-rich minerals somewhere on Mars.
This actually becomes a pretty big issue when it comes to habitation, not just because plants need nitrogen but because human-breathable atmospheres would ideally be diluted with something to prevent oxygen toxicity. It doesn't have to be as high as 80% nitrogen like here on Earth and reducing the internal atmosphere of the habitat to low than 1 Bar could allow for a higher partial-pressure of oxygen without risking oxygen toxicity, but it's still an essential component.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 04:11:46 UTC No. 16357850
I hate Earth so much it's unreal, can't wait for someone to launch a probe capable of nudging Apophis out of its orbit, lol would be a good first for planetary terrorism.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 04:24:27 UTC No. 16357858
>>16357827
Life. Every artificial biosphere Earth has tried has failed.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 04:48:09 UTC No. 16357880
>>16357847
https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/n
You might be able to mine nitrites out of the soil. No clue how common the deposits could be.
And atmospheric harvesting would absolutely be economical. Even with the atmosphere as thin as it is on Mars there's still about 750 gigatons of nitrogen to be collected. Wheezing it out of the air will be less efficient than argon capture on Earth, sure, but it'll scale a lot more efficiently than interplanetary shipping prices. It's just a matter of comparing how badly people want it versus the cost of another set of fractional distillation units. Bulk interplanetary nitrogen is the sort of thing you don't really need to start thinking about until you've got a population in the billions or are planning for a major terraforming project.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 04:54:40 UTC No. 16357886
>>16357858
Won't be a problem once Elon starts terraforming Mars lol
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:14:38 UTC No. 16357894
>>16357858
Because no one has made a serious attempt.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:27:16 UTC No. 16357905
>>16356395
i just woke up! i am so excited to watch the polaris dawn today!
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:42:27 UTC No. 16357909
>>16357905
based 2015 KG163 poster
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:47:58 UTC No. 16357913
>>16357905
>mars-colony-anon-finds-out-about-l
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:56:05 UTC No. 16357915
I live in the middle of nowhere in Arizona. I don't want a Starliner flying over my house. plz
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 06:20:54 UTC No. 16357928
>>16357858
It was only tried once by hippies. Fortunately Steve Bannon stepped in and threw them all out into the desert.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 06:27:32 UTC No. 16357934
c is too low. goddamnit
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 06:48:05 UTC No. 16357954
shouldn't Elon be protesting the new import tax on Chinese electric vehicles.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 07:00:21 UTC No. 16357961
>>16357954
The wumao were not subtle with their anti EV shilling on /o/ after BYD death traps got cock blocked.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 07:08:41 UTC No. 16357970
>>16357778
>suitports
Artemis EVA suits and rovers will use these.
>site selection
SpaceX has been working on this for years.
>TBMs
This is literally the point of The Boring Company.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 07:08:56 UTC No. 16357971
>>16357934
>but why is it so low mr. physicist
>lol it just is okay
This has never sat right with me. It has something to do with the initial state of the universe. I have no proofs but I have no doubts either.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 07:14:11 UTC No. 16357974
>>16357735
It still is fag
Zoomers have been desenzitised due to constant softporn from everywhere
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 08:45:44 UTC No. 16358034
>>16358017
I'm not sure how to emotionally deal with the fact that Earth is a small ball hurdling through space as a conservative religious person.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 08:53:34 UTC No. 16358036
>>16358034
God probably isn't real, your specific deity definitely is not. You have been manipulated by a shitty jewish death cult.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:02:41 UTC No. 16358041
>>16358038
Hell yeah
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:26:44 UTC No. 16358059
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:28:47 UTC No. 16358062
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:30:27 UTC No. 16358067
>>16357630
>salvage old shit
Isn't that more Beños's style?
Didn't he salvage some Apollo era stuff from the ocean?
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:36:22 UTC No. 16358071
>>16358038
le resisters getting le retired this time around - let that sink in
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:38:46 UTC No. 16358074
>>16358071
he should do similar videos for the agencies, walking in with a sink
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:44:10 UTC No. 16358077
>>16358038
>look at me
>i am the faa now
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:44:53 UTC No. 16358078
>>16358038
But he's not going to win.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:49:20 UTC No. 16358079
>>16358078
that would be a disaster
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:53:31 UTC No. 16358081
>>16358038
BASED
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:03:28 UTC No. 16358088
>>16358038
pretty retarded move that is going to just lead to more corruption. Basically Trump is expecting that the companies will regulate themselves? Glad he's not winning though.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:05:48 UTC No. 16358090
when starship launch 5 happeni9ng?
so many scam YT channels
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:09:39 UTC No. 16358094
>>16358078
If the satan worshipers succed in rigging the election a second time, shit will hit the fan. Kamala Harris is a communist who literally wants to strip Americans of their guns. The economy would be destroyed utterly.
I find it astonishing that such a person has been allowed to get this far.
35% corporation tax
41% capitol gains tax
25% unrealized capitol gains tax
Total insanity. I'd say it's designed to destroy America. Nobody who is aware of the facts and has any human intelligence can vote for this maniac.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:15:25 UTC No. 16358097
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:20:55 UTC No. 16358100
>>16358038
Kinda fucked up on fundamental level, but based because I personally like it. But I guess thats how politics works nowadays.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:22:07 UTC No. 16358103
>>16358088
more regulation doesn't mean less corruption automatically, I would say these are actually completely orthogonal
bad regulation can in fact lead to more corruption or stuff that is like corruption
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:23:08 UTC No. 16358104
>>16358090
2 more weeks
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:24:55 UTC No. 16358106
>>16356405
Based, fuck this mission for not exploring the methane lakes.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:25:03 UTC No. 16358108
>>16358100
How it’s always worked; it’s more fucked up that it’s gotten this bloated in the first place. Your taxes should be 1/2… 1/4 what they are now. Too much pork exist rn, and while Elon is probably imagining some idealized hyper-efficient government run by only like 2,000 people (aka unrealistic and never going to be cut that low) it’s still good to cut agencies and useless jobs and bad faith contractors overpricing product down with the katana of justice.
Too much debt, too much spending–and the burden lies mostly on the middle class whose shoulders are beginning to buckle
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:25:41 UTC No. 16358109
>>16358090
This is the Donald Trump election thread. For info about spaceflight you should go elsewhere.
https://x.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/
>At NAC-HEO, Cathy Koerner (head of ESDMD) says they are looking forward to SpaceX's 5th Starship test "later this fall."
There is not much more concrete than that. Could be anything from two weeks to two months.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:25:47 UTC No. 16358110
>>16357722
Basically same launch as on the 16th. Yaogan-43 group 2 for "testing low orbit constellation technologies"
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:27:32 UTC No. 16358111
>>16358103
What Trump is proposing is that essentially Boeing oversees Boeing. I think everyone knows this is bad but Trump is pretty desperate for a win and he might win over some companies this way.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:28:23 UTC No. 16358113
>>16358111
you just made that up
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:29:24 UTC No. 16358114
>>16356405
its over
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:29:54 UTC No. 16358115
>>16358111
If you broke up Boeing and had some actual consequences, like the firing squad for the Boeing CEO this would be fine.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:32:27 UTC No. 16358117
>>16358110
And like last time, Chang'e and Nezha on launch and satellite patches.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:33:03 UTC No. 16358118
>>16358114
I will be so fucking mad if this mission is actually canceled. From what I've heard Dragonfly has always been on schedule and on budget. The fuck is NASA doing. I hope they won't sacrifice their unironically beat mission for MSR. Planetary science has had so many setbacks lately. First the Russians canceling the Mars rover, then the Europa Clipper dysfunctional transistors, now this.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:39:08 UTC No. 16358121
>>16358118
>Dragonfly has always been on schedule and on budget
Schedule has been delayed by two years, 2026->2027 in 2019 and 2027->2028 in 2023
Budget to launch pad increased from $850 million in 2019 ($1 billion adjusted to inflation) to $2.1 billion, with a total lifecycle cost of $3.35 billion
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:44:44 UTC No. 16358124
>>16358121
okay but the delays were because of NASA, not because Dragonfly was lagging behind. Still kinda surprised by the budget increase
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:47:25 UTC No. 16358130
>>16358094
>shit will hit the fan
nothing ever happens
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:52:24 UTC No. 16358135
>>16358118
need mo' money for dem programs (SLS)
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 10:52:24 UTC No. 16358136
>>16358111
>he might win over some companies this way
Ain't most of the big tech support him?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:01:39 UTC No. 16358141
>>16356561
>compensating much?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:01:43 UTC No. 16358143
>A pulsing sound from a speaker in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft heard by NASA astronaut Butch Wilmore aboard the International Space Station has stopped. The feedback from the speaker was the result of an audio configuration between the space station and Starliner. The space station audio system is complex, allowing multiple spacecraft and modules to be interconnected, and it is common to experience noise and feedback. The crew is asked to contact mission control when they hear sounds originating in the comm system. The speaker feedback Wilmore reported has no technical impact to the crew, Starliner, or station operations, including Starliner’s uncrewed undocking from the station no earlier than Friday, Sept. 6.
https://x.com/Commercial_Crew/statu
What are they covering up /sfg/?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:22:35 UTC No. 16358158
>>16358106
Yesterday I was trying to find official NASA statement(s) on Dragonfly in association with the lakes and all I could really find was a redd*t comment stating NASA is worried the turbulence around the methane lakes could maybe possibly cause Dragonfly to tumble or fly unexpectedly into the ground. No source provided, so I take it with a huge grain of salt.
The primary mission is to study tholins in the cryorganic dunes and then to study a giant count crater. Considering how easy it is to fly on Titan it will probably do this primary mission in 1 or 2 years and then they will probably take it closer and closer to the lakes.
You’re dumb to wish it dead just because it isn’t flying over the lakes right away
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:25:20 UTC No. 16358160
>>16358143
More than likely nothing. Audio equipment is finicky at the best of times.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:39:18 UTC No. 16358173
Doing the deep dive on abiogenesis and prebiotic chemistry is crazy. There is absolutely not a single fucking chance that even the """"simple"""" cell, let alone eukaryotic life was spit out by random chance.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:45:53 UTC No. 16358181
>astronauts still stranded
>polaris dawn still grounded
>ift-5 still waiting
spaceflight is struggling
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:48:07 UTC No. 16358182
>>16358173
Yeah there is. Natural phospholipid bilayers common. Some sort of self-replicating RNA could come about out from “nothing,” assuming your “nothing” is an organic chemical soup with energy input.
The only questionable aspect is how the RNA backbones managed to bind without enzymes that, as far as we know, can only be created by more complex life. But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible
RNA world or bust
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:48:36 UTC No. 16358184
>>16358181
>ift-5 still waiting
Waiting for work to be finished
>>16358059
>>16358061
>>16358062
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:00:17 UTC No. 16358194
>>16358182
Yeah, you haven't looked into it. Nice youtube comment repost. Would you like to start by explaining how homochirality came about? Protip: you cannot, no one can, there is 0 prebiotic process to shit out 99%+ of one type of chiral molecule, let alone the many, many types you need. It's a difficult process even in a modern lab with vaccuum pumps, chromatography, man made organic solvents, precise temperature and pressure control etc etc etc. Modern homochirality is explained by CISS, a decidedly cellular process. And that is just step one of a series of steps that each one needs enough chance exponents to fill your room if they even have any vague explanation at all.
>RNA world or bust
Sorry, is this the world that has to be kept at -80c or less to stop the RNA from shitting itself and falling apart? It's in the documentation from anyone who sells RNA commercially today.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:06:06 UTC No. 16358200
>>16358194
>there is 0 prebiotic process to shit out 99%+ of one type of chiral molecule
Oh so you’re from reddit okay, makes sense
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:07:37 UTC No. 16358201
>>16358173
>random chance.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:08:57 UTC No. 16358204
>>16358201
kek
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:09:17 UTC No. 16358205
>>16358088
>Glad he's not winning though.
If you are sentient and American, you shouldn't be.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:11:58 UTC No. 16358212
>>16358200
That's not a refutation, I would love to see an explanation for prebiotic homochirality if you have it? It would solve a handful of problems with abiogenesis. Also, reddit would be hostile to me since I don't believe cells randomly formed when a lightning bolt struck a tide pool so sounds like maybe it's a place for you.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:13:29 UTC No. 16358213
>>16357782
>Once again I can’t help but interpret every single Beck post as “hello, investors”
That's because investors want more media relations for RL. Too many people were upset that Beck didn't announce much and it all flew under the radar. That's why there has been an uptick in Beck's posts, hes literally been told to do it.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:13:53 UTC No. 16358215
>>16358212
Go start a separate thread if you’re this desperate to ask an off-topic question and then chimp out with snarky clap-back answers like some sort of menstruating woman when I try to initiate an answer
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:16:25 UTC No. 16358218
>>16358201
Is that not exactly the abiogenesis proposal? That many successive layers of chance with exponential odds the size to fill your room were passed one by one with things bumping together? Not to mention that many of those odds are completely unexplained by prebiotic chemistry, which only allows limited interactions unlike physics where you can just make up invisible particles.
>>16358215
I'll accept your concession then since you haven't made a single argument despite calling me a snarky menstruating woman.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:20:39 UTC No. 16358223
stop talking about off topic stuff you dipshits
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:25:27 UTC No. 16358226
>>16358038
Sadly, but Trump will lose and Elon will be put in re-education camp.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:28:45 UTC No. 16358230
>>16357831
>>16357847
I'm >>16357827, I asked that before going to sleep. Did some quick math and found that if you have a pressurized volume at 0.5atm with 40%O and 60%N with a ceiling height of 400m you can have a pressurized area of roughly 5,000,000km2, or half the United States.
Alternatively, increasing that by even 1% would mean mining three times the iron ever mined by human beings by mass in nitrogen ice in hostile conditions and then launching it across the solar system. There won't be any interplanetary resource gathering for centuries
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:32:14 UTC No. 16358233
>>16358182
>Some sort of self-replicating RNA could come about out from “nothing,” assuming your “nothing” is an organic chemical soup with energy input.
nta but have you read the literature? that's a high school bimbo teacher level understanding of something that has many essentially impossible steps in it and some that are flat out impossible without biotic life already in place. Also like the other guy said, RNA is not stable at all above cryo temp, I work with the stuff. You can't have a warm soup planet with RNA floating around.
There's a reason this is a really contentious topic in academia (understated), because the science is dogshit and might as well be impossible before the heat death of the universe.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:33:00 UTC No. 16358235
>>16358218
>Is that not exactly the abiogenesis proposal?
No
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:35:36 UTC No. 16358236
>>16358034
without getting into the truth of the matter itself, let's do a quick sanity check
the people who disagree with you are smug retards like this
>>16358036
and the people who agree with your worldview include Gauss, Newton, Gödel and Euler
even if you're wrong it certainly doesn't mean you're stupid (although of course you could be)
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:35:37 UTC No. 16358237
>>16358235
It's not intelligent design and it's not random chance? So?
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:37:05 UTC No. 16358239
>>16358237
Thats correct, it's neither of those.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:37:50 UTC No. 16358242
>>16358236
They were products of their time, centuries of religious indoctrination. I think there is probably a creator, is it your specific Jewish death cult deity? Hahahahahaha lol lmao even
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:38:52 UTC No. 16358244
>>16358239
Cool explanation
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:39:14 UTC No. 16358245
but who asked?
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:39:23 UTC No. 16358246
>>16358242
It's not *my* worldview. You're still a smug retard. Keep chuckling to yourself, dumbass.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:39:44 UTC No. 16358247
>>16358244
Thanks.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:40:30 UTC No. 16358248
>>16358173
fucking faggot, never post here again
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:43:02 UTC No. 16358250
>>16358246
Nah you're simping for organised religion faggot
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:43:18 UTC No. 16358251
fuck off already, make a thread about abiotics, atheism and intelligent design or whatever the fuck you want to talk about
this thread is about spaceflight
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:45:18 UTC No. 16358253
>>16358251
You guys are pretty happy to mald and give me (you)s without a coherent argument against basic chemical science, instead spouting Bill Nye the science guy tier canned responses and seething 4chan incel replies :^)
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:46:49 UTC No. 16358254
>>16358233
>RNA is not stable at all above cryo temp
First off you're definitely not another guy
Secondly, that blatant bullshit. Did you just forget RNA viruses exist floating in 30C temps without spontaneously degrading?
>inb4 b-b-b-but it's the protein shell that keeps them stable!
Okay, RNA viroids then, they don't have a protein shell and they exist on the modern earth at room temperature just fine.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:46:51 UTC No. 16358255
>>16358253
didn't read, you are a faggot
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:48:39 UTC No. 16358258
>>16358254
An RNA virus is not the same as a free floating strand. Imbecile.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:49:17 UTC No. 16358259
>>16358258
A viroid is however.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:53:45 UTC No. 16358266
>>16358253
>>16358254
>>16358258
>>16358259
>>16358265
go here fags
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:55:49 UTC No. 16358270
>>16357532
mathematics is a art
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:56:17 UTC No. 16358271
>>16357850
>probe capable of nudging Apophis out of its orbit
OSIRIS-APEX.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 12:58:27 UTC No. 16358275
>>16358266
Nah I'm gonna stay here and humiliate anymore creationist tier arguments he comes up with.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:01:02 UTC No. 16358277
>>16358259
It's not, you are so stupid it's unbelievable. Do you get your factoids from reddit searches? I literally work with RNA on a regular basis. Our samples are stored at -80c for a maximum of a year, -20c is considered the absolute upper limit and even then it begins to degrade rapidly. Yeah, real compatible with a hot soup ocean. Not to mention the only prebiotic way to produce it is through heat and high voltage on top of a special clay processed with man made organic solvents, vaccuum chambers, centrifuges and such. I'm sure that occurs in nature LOL.
Oh and then you have to chemically extract the RNA through multiple washes of the lab made clay.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:02:07 UTC No. 16358279
>>16358117
I like their patches at least
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:02:26 UTC No. 16358282
>>16358277
Lol viroids are literally free floating single strands of RNA.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:05:50 UTC No. 16358286
>>16357600
How big would a Mars transport vehicle need to be before the trip wasn't psychologically damaging even to randomly selected normies? Are we talking about tubefag territory? (exclude those who claim to suffer psychological damage from being "misgendered", called a nigger, etc)
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:06:43 UTC No. 16358288
>>16358286
Thanks mods
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:07:54 UTC No. 16358289
>>16357652
>reading replies while shitposting
ngmi
shitposting, done right, is fire and forget
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:10:24 UTC No. 16358291
>>16358286
>wasn't psychologically damaging even to randomly selected normies
Why would you ever want to do this? Self selecting for mental fortitude is good.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:10:34 UTC No. 16358292
>>16357722
>Philippine Space Agency
Estimates on what year they make it to space? (Serious answers only)
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:11:06 UTC No. 16358293
>>16358286
>randomly selected normies?
Those things aren't leaving Earth, what are you talking about?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:11:57 UTC No. 16358295
>>16358292
Probably some time in the 2040s when trips to space are treated more like expensive airplane rides.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:12:47 UTC No. 16358297
>>16357743
>United States military, anon. The most formidable military in the history of the world
The US doesn't have a combat capable space force. The US can't even send troops into orbit without SpaceX.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:13:02 UTC No. 16358298
>>16357858
There's some minimum viable surface area between biosphere 2 and the entire earth where an ecosystem could do ok. See here: >>16358230. Half the land area of the United States might be enough.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:15:59 UTC No. 16358299
To what extent does the future of mankind hinge on how long Elon lives? My initial sense is "massively," so put me in the Great Man camp.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:16:59 UTC No. 16358302
>>16358286
people who don't have the curiosity genes needed to overcome their fear of the unknown should never be allowed to leave earth.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:22:15 UTC No. 16358306
>>16358286
Normies are going the hibernation route beyond cislunar space
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:24:50 UTC No. 16358309
>>16358106
fuck you for dismissing the best Missions currently in the works
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:26:55 UTC No. 16358311
>>16358158
I read somewhere it's not visiting the lakes either because there would be a radiosignal issue or there is some orbital mechanics issue. Considering how far the lakes are from Selk crater it would take years for Dragonfly to get there.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:28:11 UTC No. 16358312
>>16358311
Oh interesting. It doesn’t have a relay satellite which I find interesting. It needs to communicate directly with earth.
If only we kept Cassini alive a little longer :/
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:28:55 UTC No. 16358313
>>16358311
Double it, send two.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:29:50 UTC No. 16358315
>>16358309
Fuck you for not demanding dragonfly land near the lakes.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:35:00 UTC No. 16358320
>muh Titan life
Nothing lives at those temperatures you morons. Total waste of money.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:37:04 UTC No. 16358322
>>16358320
https://hardeshur.blogspot.com/2023
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:37:47 UTC No. 16358325
>>16358306
>hibernation
whats the point when you could spend that time doing something fun?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:38:17 UTC No. 16358326
>>16358313
If there’s enough mass budget on the Falcon Heavy (there likely will be) they should send a tag-along mini reentry shell like Deep Space 2 with an off-the-shelf-parts quad copter just to look at the lakes.
Flying on titan requires barely any energy at all. Dragonfly will use an RTG, but there’s nothing is stopping you from building a tiny little battery-powered helicopter or drone that runs a simple rotor and a basic electric heater, right?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:38:22 UTC No. 16358329
>>16358320
Nothing with water based biochemistry does. Methane based stuff is an open question.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:43:16 UTC No. 16358341
>>16358326
See, the problem you think like newspace. Wheres the pork in this plan?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:45:03 UTC No. 16358345
>>16358341
The trick is, we spread every little nut and bolt across every congressional district.
Ingenuity was billed as “off the shelf” but still cost $80 million. Deep Space 3 is possible, let’s do it–and line the pockets of everyone!
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:45:25 UTC No. 16358346
>>16358329
Not really, the exponential slowing of chemical reactions at low temperatures would apply in that case too. Titanslop is just like the habitable exoplanet shit - nonsense to accrue funding from IFLS nitwits.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:48:21 UTC No. 16358351
>>16358341
Send a slim Jim along, call it an experiment in tissue degradation in the Titanian environment. There, it now contains pork and is no longer halal/kosher. Total mass penalty: 0.28oz
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:49:34 UTC No. 16358354
>>16358325
We're talking normies here. They'll get bored of freefall after a month and make a nuisance of themselves for the remainder of the trip. Knock 'em out and let real spacers watch over them till they're Mars-side.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:50:28 UTC No. 16358355
>>16358315
I wish it did but this is still far better than another Mars rover. Also consider the fact that it rains in the equatorial regions of Titan every few hundred years, compare that to the last rain that happened on Mars probably billions of years ago.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:50:57 UTC No. 16358356
>>16358326
>The Deep Space 2 (DS2) probes cost $29.2 million to develop.
Am I just naive? Where the fuck does that money go exactly? I’m thinking, $3 million would make sense I guess—but where does $30 fucking million United States Dollars ultimately end up?? They were tiny impactors with an antenna and a dirt probe. A university team could have designed it with a $2,000 budget and had enough leftover money for a bougie steak dinner with cocktails for everyone
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 13:59:02 UTC No. 16358359
>>16358356
Bribes to senators.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 14:00:00 UTC No. 16358362
>>16358356
university teams don't demand 6 figure salaries like engineers in industry and you aren't counting the cost of facilities and the salaries of the overseeing professors and such in that 2k figure.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 14:04:33 UTC No. 16358370
>>16358359
>>16358362
>can't have an interplanetary civilization because bureaucrats and greed
What's the fastest way around this, rope?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 14:07:11 UTC No. 16358371
>>16358359
After posting I realized it probably takes into count the cost of running giant vacuum chambers, EM chambers, vibration machines, etc. And the milling machines and shit to actually fabricate the probes, as small as they were, because the Delta II rocket could barely get 1T to Mars
Basically all the giant ass testing machines at NASA facilities probably have a huge operating cost.
But still. DS2 was incidental to the primary mission, the Mars Polar Lander.
DS2 should have been a rough and dirty $1 mil side project. Instead they drop $30 mil on it, in addition to $110 mil for the polar lander only for everything to fail and crash into the surface of Mars
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 14:30:46 UTC No. 16358393
>>16358311
> Let's spend billions to look at sand and dust.
NASA is worse than useless.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 14:33:18 UTC No. 16358398
>>16358311
>Considering how far the lakes are from Selk crater it would take years for Dragonfly to get there.
The low gravity and high atmospheric pressure means you could traverse the entire planetary body on a potato battery. It doesn’t take much to fly on Titan. The famous saying; humans can fly with a wingsuit there. You could go from pole to pole if you wanted to
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 14:33:55 UTC No. 16358399
https://paulgraham.com/foundermode.
>Hire good people and give them room to do their jobs. Sounds great when it's described that way, doesn't it? Except in practice, judging from the report of founder after founder, what this often turns out to mean is: hire professional fakers and let them drive the company into the ground.
might explain oldspace somewhat?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:02:14 UTC No. 16358421
>>16358398
>humans can fly with a wingsuit there. You could go from pole to pole if you wanted to
Except the dense cryogenic atmosphere would suck the heat from you and freeze you solid
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:02:31 UTC No. 16358422
>>16358370
Best bet is just to get rich and do it yourself.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:03:36 UTC No. 16358423
>>16358056
Makes me wonder if these areas could be made simpler in future chopstick revisions by using cast steel nodes.
No overlapped pipe connections, less welding, and might eliminate most or all those doubler plates.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:04:14 UTC No. 16358425
>>16358399
One of the main things settings SpaceX apart is Elon's ability to discern engineering talent. No fakers there
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:05:08 UTC No. 16358427
>>16358421
jacket
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:06:52 UTC No. 16358429
>>16358398
The problem is it take like a week to charge the battery. And like 10 kilometers can then be traversed with a full charge
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:10:42 UTC No. 16358433
>>16358423
the new chopsticks are much shorter, but I'm sure they will be iterated upon just like everything else
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:12:32 UTC No. 16358439
https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy
>In a now deleted press release from the Naval Information Warfare Systems Command (NAVWAR), the Navy recently announced that it is experimenting with bringing reliable and persistent high-speed internet to its surface warships. The connectivity comes via a new system developed under its Sailor Edge Afloat and Ashore (SEA2) initiative, which uses satellites from the Starlink network maintained by Musk’s SpaceX and other spaceborne broadband internet providers to maintain a constant and consistent internet connection for sailors—a system that NAVWAR says has “applications across the entire Navy.”
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:12:43 UTC No. 16358440
>>16358423
Castings are almost always weaker metal, and thus made thicker and heavier. Its always a tradeoff in engineering, to go with a welded fabrication (expensive, laborious), or a casting (more complexity in a single part). But in this case, I think lighter weight is the upmost concern, and a stronger joint can be made lighter overall by carefully welding all those weird miter cuts. Tower chopsticks are never going to be a volume manufactured item, so they can custom build each one. Its just a royal pain in the ass this first time, working 100 feet off the ground on an installed system.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:14:11 UTC No. 16358441
>>16358439
But reddit and mainstream media says it's literally and unquestionably over for starlink and ASTS is going to the moon?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:16:40 UTC No. 16358443
>>16358399
Faker just means failure to execute. When you get older, you realize everyone is faking. It just means some people are better at converting that into enough time to discover how to do something than others. This is why people put so much value on others who have demonstrated ability. There is an additional wrinkle in the industrial process beyond tooling and workshop setup: how to build a rocket engine isn't secret; the precise methodology is. And every 20 years, the generation who learned all this the hard way retires without training their replacements.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:16:47 UTC No. 16358444
>>16358441
this is broadband, not cell service
I think its a bit too early to tell how the direct-to-cell side is going to go, could be that both ASTS and SpaceX become big providers
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:23:00 UTC No. 16358453
>>16358427
Clothing thick enough to withstand the cold would make flying with wings unpleasant and Titans smoggy atmosphere means your view is orange brown murk. I'd stick to big pressurized caverns on the Moon or the axis of spinhabs where I don't need a super-parka or oxygen mask.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:24:03 UTC No. 16358454
>>16358423
It looks like NASA's ML2 is using them.
>This is one of over 100 precision-manufactured cast steel nodes that CAST CONNEX is engineering and manufacturing for Paxton & Vierling Steel Co. for use in the construction of NASA’s Mobile Launcher 2
>Cast steel nodes provide significantly enhanced structural performance, reliability, and robustness compared to conventionally fabricated connections. Our components are also dramatically simplifying fabrication and construction of the rocket launch tower, while also reducing weight – an important consideration for a mobile structure.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:26:22 UTC No. 16358459
>>16358439
>leftist propaganda opinion inserted as facts
Wired is a woke commie propaganda
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:26:28 UTC No. 16358460
>>16358454
Did Bechtel finally line up a steel supplier? NASA also stole all their pipes for ML2 to replace the ones on ML1 that corroded after the Artemis 1 launch.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:28:11 UTC No. 16358464
>>16358454
>CAST CONNEX manufacturing for Paxton & Vierling Steel Co. on behalf of Bechtel National, Inc.
Subcontractor of a subcontractor. This is exactly what fucked up Starliner's valves
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:28:42 UTC No. 16358465
>>16358439
>Elon Musk-owned
>Musk’s SpaceX
>More importantly, there’s the matter of Musk’s ownership of Starlink
it's so flagrant. every line that doesn't have elon in it is about how great the system itself is. this article could easily not mention musk once. what makes me madder than journalists writing this shit is normies slurping up the anti musk propaganda.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:29:06 UTC No. 16358468
>>16358439
>But beyond morale-boosting applications, SEA2 also purportedly offers major benefits for “tactical and business applications” used by sailors on a daily basis, like, say, those used for air wing maintenance or for tracking pay and benefits. As White explained in a May release from the Navy on the initiative, most of these applications function at higher classification levels and are encrypted, but they’re still designed to operate on the commercial internet without jeopardizing information security.
>“The fact that we’re not making use of that opportunity with modern technology to allow classified tactical applications to ride the commercial internet is where we are missing out, so we built [SEA2] to be able to do that in the future,” as White put it. “We’re close to demonstrating a couple of those applications, and I am fully confident it will be game changing.” (As of June, the Navy had not authorized the use of classified data with the system)
as i expected. they'll have to wait for starshield for combat internet.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:30:40 UTC No. 16358472
>>16358465
The government genuinely considers Musk a risk factor when giving contracts to his companies.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:32:11 UTC No. 16358474
>>16358472
The commies and commie bootlickers considers him a threat. So when you read commie propaganda presented as "facts" you think "oh Musk bad because these propaganda told me to believe it"
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:36:13 UTC No. 16358481
>>16358465
i think its fine, but its also leaving out the fact that starshield and oneweb are also being integrated into the military alongside starlink, which would alleviate the concern about elon. strange that the article mentions both of those constellations but fails to bring them up when raising the concerns about elon. it ends up being overly alarmist, detracting from the main point of the article: that LEO constellations are making a huge improvement in military communications.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:38:38 UTC No. 16358485
>>16358454
What the heck. It's in Brazil?
>The PVS and Cast Connex team were honored to visit our friends in Brazil pouring the castings for NASA’s ML2 launch platform.
https://owenmetalsgroup.com/blog/pv
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:39:03 UTC No. 16358487
>>16358439
gonna use this to consume adult content. Also doesn't this reveal the ship's position?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:39:56 UTC No. 16358489
>>16358487
>doesn't this reveal the ship's position
any more so than all the other radio communication it's already doing?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:41:27 UTC No. 16358491
>>16358454
Copying NASA here would be like cheating on a test by copying answers from a special ed student
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:56:49 UTC No. 16358504
>>16358481
there's no middle ground between truth and lies. the false alarmism and fake narrative about elon risk is communist tranny propaganda
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:06:43 UTC No. 16358509
>>16358508
3 days
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:06:57 UTC No. 16358510
>>16358508
https://x.com/ajtourville/status/18
>From FAA Current Operations Plan Advisory
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:07:01 UTC No. 16358511
>>16358508
call me when it actually launches, im tired of the blue balling
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:09:03 UTC No. 16358512
>>16358508
good to see all the delays didn't shift the launch window out of 3:30am, I wouldn't want to actually watch the launch.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:14:28 UTC No. 16358516
>>16358508
>be important manned space mission trying to appeal to public
>launch at the worst fucking time ever when everyone is asleep
Many such cases!
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:15:10 UTC No. 16358517
>>16358508
I would be unable to resist the primal urge to let go of the handles.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:18:02 UTC No. 16358520
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/n
>Starliner is scheduled to autonomously undock from the space station at approximately 6:04 p.m. EDT Friday, Sept. 6, to begin the journey home, weather conditions permitting. NASA and Boeing are targeting approximately 12:03 a.m., Saturday, Sept. 7, for the landing and conclusion of the flight test.
so Polaris Dawn launch on Friday morning, Starliner undocking in the evening and returning/burning 6h after the undocking on Saturday morning
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:22:46 UTC No. 16358524
>>16358520
Kind of an aside but it’s so crazy that not a single Boeing representative was present for the last news conference when Bill announced the decision.
Not one, zip, zero, zilch. Boeing built the capsule, it’s not a NASA-operated vehicle, it’s a Boeing-operated vehicle operating as a private ride option under contract and NASA is simply buying seats. Weird, disturbing, and shameful they were not there to show their ugly faces.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:24:00 UTC No. 16358525
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:26:42 UTC No. 16358527
>>16358524
tried to google some info about this from boeing at first and the previous news from (seemingly) the official starliner update website was from July 31, over a month ago
lol
https://starlinerupdates.com/starli
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:26:56 UTC No. 16358529
Hearing some bad rumors of layoff from RFA, hopefully only rumors. Maybe not as big as the ABL ones, but maybe as impactful given how much of that company is made of interns.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:32:48 UTC No. 16358537
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:38:23 UTC No. 16358539
>>16358529
Note that this may be more related to OHB going private with an Investment firm purchasing nearly 30% of the company's share than the recent static fire failure.
https://spacenews.com/ohb-secures-f
And also more recently the German spysats made by OHB failling
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:38:33 UTC No. 16358540
>>16358525
Will it also be streaming in 360p pixelshit on X, formerly twitter, the everything app??
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:46:56 UTC No. 16358547
>>16358525
why are they doing a news conference at 1:30 am on a saturday?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:49:38 UTC No. 16358551
>>16358547
Because it’s landing at 12:00 midnight and probably also because, in all of their strategic glory, Boeing is trying to minimize the damage to stock so they’d rather not hold it the following monday afternoon
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:50:18 UTC No. 16358552
>>16358508
>friday morning
please please please please be delayed. We could have peak kino Friday night capping off the Shartliner disaster with Polaris, please be delayed.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 16:59:29 UTC No. 16358562
>>16358552
>Launch obscured by OFT4
>Landing obscured by private EVA
Please God let this happen because it would be so fucking funny
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:17:49 UTC No. 16358585
>>16358508
1/2 more weeks
>>16358516
Given the choice, id rather see the EVA than the launch
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:21:36 UTC No. 16358592
>>16358585
I just wanted an excuse to ridicule SLS for launching in the dead of night. My post could have been a little more specific lol
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:23:05 UTC No. 16358594
>>16358472
Have they tried not being gay nigger communists? Elon's threat to actual Americans is zero.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:26:39 UTC No. 16358597
>>16358517
>let go of handles
>still tethered
>no acceleration
>nothing happens
womp womp
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:27:53 UTC No. 16358601
>decided to keep watching the CSI episode
>turns out its fucking snowing inside the booster and they need to prevent it clogging filters
ok thats actually pretty cool, this is when it gets interesting,
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:33:06 UTC No. 16358606
>>16358524
lol, no one wants to get this stink on them
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:33:26 UTC No. 16358607
>>16358439
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18310
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:35:20 UTC No. 16358610
>>16358607
Exactly. Wired is commie propaganda trash
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:35:21 UTC No. 16358611
I propose not reusing the shitty off-shoot thread for the next one
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:37:38 UTC No. 16358615
>>16358611
I agree
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:39:14 UTC No. 16358616
>>16358530
bix nood muhfugga
>>16358537
kek
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:46:07 UTC No. 16358626
>>16358439
>In a now deleted press release
wtf I read it and it was the most benign and mundane thing ever, why delete it? Did media/others really hound the Navy over that?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:47:11 UTC No. 16358629
>>16358611
yeah
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:02:40 UTC No. 16358652
>>16358514
this has the potential for a massive memetic field altering scenario where starliner fucking burns up on re-entry when boeing was insisting that it was safe and that they shouldn't go back on crew 9, contrasting with spacex launching their own version of the gemini missions perfectly with no issues ON THE SAME DAY.
i feel like if spacex goes through with the sept 6 date, the starliner team will unironically pussy out and delay just to prevent the tiny chance of this reality playing out live for all to see.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:04:40 UTC No. 16358654
>>16358652
Yes. I want Starliner to fail here so so so so so badly ugh it would be unfathomably kino. Imagine Boeing having to do a press conference with every journalist asking “so what if butch and suni came back on starliner would they be dead now” and Boeing would just have to fucking eat it.
I’m begging for a hilarious dice roll here.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:05:46 UTC No. 16358656
>>16358654
>>16358652
Would be hilarious but most likely it returns without issue and NASA will get some flak instead but they have a good defense anyways
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:06:57 UTC No. 16358657
>>16358656
Flak from who? Boeing?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:07:32 UTC No. 16358658
https://x.com/drjolatunji/status/18
plasma rocket
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:08:24 UTC No. 16358660
>>16358399
>Sounds great when it's described that way, doesn't it?
it does to you paul
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:08:25 UTC No. 16358661
>>16358656
i know, emphasis on the *tiny* chance.
but it's still possible, the potential is there, we've been surprised over and over by shartliner's ineptitude when generally this general already had low expectations of them to begin with.
it's not out of the question, the chance is there.
and if the shitliner team is paranoid (only the paranoid survive) they'll delay it one day just to not invoke meme magic.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:08:34 UTC No. 16358662
>>16358657
yeah but also media/public a bit who will be like "oh NASA overreacted now muh butch and sunni stuck up there waa" but also they might be entirely understanding given Boeings recent... history
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:11:08 UTC No. 16358664
>>16358662
Wrong, shitting on Boeing is what sells now, there won't be any defense from media or public.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:11:43 UTC No. 16358668
boeing starliner will crash
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:23:29 UTC No. 16358678
Starliner thrusters will work but parachutes will fail.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:25:27 UTC No. 16358682
https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/18
Man, if she wins, SpaceX will likely be obstructed like never before.. (in retaliation)
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:27:10 UTC No. 16358685
>>16358678
RIP some Havasupai Indian's head
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:28:16 UTC No. 16358686
>>16358682
based, all spyware-filled websites should be brought down
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:29:58 UTC No. 16358688
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:31:34 UTC No. 16358693
>>16358668
>boeing starliner will crash
A massive thruster failure will lead to an uncontrolled reentry that strikes:
A grounded 737max
Boeing corporate headquarters
The New Glenn assembly building
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:32:26 UTC No. 16358697
>>16358688
>chingchong edition
no thanx
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:41:29 UTC No. 16358712
someone explain to me why a system of rigid high altitude balloons can't be used as a near-space launch platform for rocket launch vehicles
seems like it would be a lot safer and more efficient than risking a tip over on the pad or mid atmosphere booster malfunction, is there something about atmospheric denisty and thrust I'm not getting
think a few tethered giant stratospheric airships that are launch capable and can carry a substantial payload, like the starliner system
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:43:14 UTC No. 16358716
>>16358697
It's a Chinese century
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 18:44:14 UTC No. 16358718
>>16358697
rocketry has always been the realm of the Chinese
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 19:14:39 UTC No. 16358773
>>16358697
what yaoganna do about it?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 21:04:08 UTC No. 16358933
>>16356424
must be some viral marketing campaign for the new aliens movie
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 21:41:30 UTC No. 16358984
>>16358143
probably just a hot audio input picking up computer noise
try putting an AM radio near a cell phone
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 22:36:14 UTC No. 16359056
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 22:48:27 UTC No. 16359082
>>16358661
>i know, emphasis on the *tiny* chance.
Yep. If it's going to fail, I'd rather it fail uncrewed.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Sep 2024 23:18:56 UTC No. 16359159
>>16357660
its a woahjack frog tho
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Sep 2024 05:58:05 UTC No. 16359673
>>16359159
>woahjack
This is a good neologism