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🧵 /scg/ - STEM career general

Anonymous No. 16393101

"CHINA > A*merica edition"

Previous Thread: >>16365289
This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM.
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Anonymous No. 16393107

How are you guys preparing for the rise of the Sino-led world order? I hope it includes Mandarin language class.

Anonymous No. 16393135

>>16393107
China will be destroyed by climate change.

>>16393101
Why are boomers so easily impressed by children writing helloworldgoto10 tier novelty code?

Anonymous No. 16393138

>>16393135
They aren't writing helloworld, the text clearly says they are writing a program that asks a user to set a password, which requires an input function which is already 10000 times more complex than the average amerinigger brain can handle.

Anonymous No. 16393158

>>16393107
Their demographic crisis is even worse than anything here.

Anonymous No. 16393165

>>16393158
"demographic crises" aren't real they're just an excuse for boomers to import millions of brown slaves because paying their children is less profitable

Anonymous No. 16393262

Can anons recommend me some intro physics books for waves, light and optics? I have a test coming up and have to brush up on them.

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Anonymous No. 16393422

>>16393158
No it isn't, they will still be Chinese, you will be replaced by niggers which is even more devastating than being nuked.

Anonymous No. 16394024

>>16393422
We do not stand to be replaced by Africans. Other groups are growing, while the black population is expected to remain largely stagnant. We aren't Europe.

Anonymous No. 16394028

>>16393107
I already speak Mandarin, so that would actually be one of the few scenarios I would do well in. More realistically the World will be overcome by a brown tide while the populations of the West and East Asia go down the toilet. If anything, I will have to learn latrino gibberish.

Anonymous No. 16394510

>>16393262
Young and Freedman. Any more than that is unnecessary for an intro course.
Though your course notes or first lectures should have a list of relevant books.

Anonymous No. 16394923

>>16369023
>You need a PhD to work as an industrial biologist or chemist without hitting a glass ceiling after like 2 years.
What more can you tell about Industrial Biology?

t. FAQ editor

Anonymous No. 16394927

>>16394923
what about the bamboo ceiling? does it exist in academics?

Anonymous No. 16395011

>>16393138
def saltgen():
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def savetodb(salt, pw):
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pw = input("Enter passwd: ")
salt = saltgen()
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It's very simple, one function to gen salt, other to produce a hash from string, im writing with one finger while shitting, every retard can do this ~80 IQ

Anonymous No. 16395076

>>16393698
of course they do, every project needs thousand of workers
wasn't it revealed that canucks have like 5k staff for the various migrant gibs programs (which give them six figures and additional one time bonuses)

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Anonymous No. 16395156

>>16393158
>US's population growth has been stagnant for the past half decade
>this is despite a backdrop of 2 million legal immigrants and 3 million illegal immigrants per year
>white boomers are dying and are getting replaced by brown ones from South America and black ones from Africa
>this is okay though because demographic replacement is fine as long as the population is stable

Anonymous No. 16395317

>>16394927
I don't know. All the Chinese women I knew from my PhD student days have done well. One has a rather prestigious professorship but had some troubles with closed networks in the UK but had success when leaving the UK.

Anonymous No. 16395373

>>16395156
We aren't getting many niggers, mostly browns. Groid population may even go down. Projections have it mostly stable, with some predicting slight decline and others slight growth. The general trend is that african american birthrates are also down the toilet, but they are getting shored up by Africans.

Anonymous No. 16395647

>>16393107
>>>/2008/

Anonymous No. 16395668

>>16395373
for a long time our immigrant blacks weren't ens, they were elites from the Caribbeans and the African cities. But that's been changing since Harris has been importing kriyol Haitians.

Anonymous No. 16395800

I need you help /sci/ and/or pro-CCP shills ITT.
I am in graduate school and my classes are covering entire chapters (usually around ~60 to 100 pages each) in one class despite the fact we only meet once a week. I am barely keeping up. Has anyone been in my position before? How the hell can I stay on top of the material my school is trying to shove down my throat? I am barely learning, just cramping at this point. I tried thoroughly reading and studying the chapters in-depth like I was still in undergrad but the class is covering too much to quickly. I'd rather just try to learn from the crapton HW they give me. Any (constructive) advice is appreciated.

Anonymous No. 16395802

>>16393422
Why not show a bird's eye view for 2010 Detroit like every other picture?

Anonymous No. 16396047

>yet another day where a recruiter contacted me for a job that is outside my expertise
This stops being funny for the Xth time. Why am I being contacted for a job I NEVER applied for but keep getting ghosted or rejected for the ones I am qualified and certified for. The universe enjoys shitting on me I guess.

Anonymous No. 16396114

>>16395802
Would a bird's eye view of Detroit somehow negate the fact that it's a shithole?

Anonymous No. 16396115

>>16394024
The fastest growing group in the US is mixed race which is largely driven by feminist white women mating with negroids out of spite.

Anonymous No. 16396211

>>16396047
Yeah I get this all the time. Guess I should have gone into medical devices as I get spammed by medical device companies several time a day.

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Anonymous No. 16396392

I've been stuck in the grant writing cycle for the past 4 weeks. 50% of my day are writing grants. this is my life now. I just want to read some math books. I want to kill myself.

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Anonymous No. 16396403

Ph.D in math or Bachelor's in EE?

I have a master's and bachelor's in math. I live like a NEET and can't even find a shitty adjunct job lol. Should I just forgo doing the Ph.D and plunge into EE? I was thinking of doing computational EM.

Anonymous No. 16396409

>>16396403
PhD in EE

Anonymous No. 16396418

>>16396409
Don't think I could get it. I'd probably have to take some undergrad courses first if I went that route. I think masters at most would be enough.

Anonymous No. 16396419

>>16396418
I don't know why you can't do a PhD in EE with a master in math. EE is basically applied math.

Anonymous No. 16396479

>>16396403
If you apply your maths skills into digital signal processing algorithms, and you unleash your full power levels, you should be able to do a EE PhD in DSP.
That can give you a good career in academia and also in industry. Mobile phone tech pours vast sums into better vocoders, codecs, modulation schemes and more. Defence tech is always looking for better radar and comms tech, especially if compatible with stealth or to uncover stealth.

Anonymous No. 16396526

>day 268 of unemployment
Getting a math PhD was a big mistake. Any Advice on how to proceed from here?

Anonymous No. 16396602

>>16396526
YouTube channel.
Jobs in china if you're white.
Jobs in Germany or America.

Anonymous No. 16396730

>>16396526
DNV is recruiting research trainees with a recent PhD, did you apply?

Anonymous No. 16396853

What's with everyone telling me to move out of the country if I want a job? Who the fuck is gonna hire a freshly graduated engineer with jack shit experience from a completely different country? Does the US oil industry hire anyone with a pulse? Where would I even go?

Anonymous No. 16396919

>>16396526
How are you going to celebrate one year unemployment?

Anonymous No. 16397055

>>16396211
How do I best prepare for the medical device industry? I'm currently studying business but eventually I want to do, EE; however I see a lot of cash in medical device jobs

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Anonymous No. 16397209

>>16396526
>Getting a math PhD was a big mistake. Any Advice on how to proceed from here?

AI my son, get into AI

Anonymous No. 16397301

>cannot even get a military job
It's jover. Im a neet4lyfe.

Anonymous No. 16397305

Everything is going to be alright when the rates go down. Right?

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Anonymous No. 16397468

Well bros, it took me a couple years but I finally started kind of hating my advisor. I did feel like I was missing some core experience of a phd. Glad I reached this milestone.

Anonymous No. 16397479

>>16397468
I never got to that point. I finished in 3.5 years though.

Anonymous No. 16397514

>>16397468
I constantly want to bite my supervisor like a rabid adhd child. He is my mortal enemy, he is lucky we work remotely.

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Anonymous No. 16397587

I need 90 ECTS university physics to get my teaching certificate in physics. I only did like 15 for my math PhD. I would like to study in a different county (I hate Sweden). Any ideas?

Anonymous No. 16397624

>>16393165
>>16393422
Having hundreds of millions of elderly outnumbering the young is absolutely a crisis. The only silver lining is their high ethnic homogeneity. Their culture and people will survive.

>>16395156
I never said ethnic demographic replacement was either morally good or at worst neutral. Maybe I should've specified that the Chinese crisis is worse through shear volume. Again, the advantage is that their people as a distinct group will live on. The US managerial classes on the other hand are ungratefully and undeservedly standing on the shoulders of giants, and pissing on their corpses out of spite/inferiority complex.

Anonymous No. 16397625

>>16397468
Kek what's his deal?

Anonymous No. 16397960

I just want to work in a place where people know what they are doing. Nobody in these places has a clue and they hire me because they think I either know or will figure it out by myself. But because nobody around me ever did things properly I never really learned properly. I can barely keep my head above the water and have neither the time nor resources to unfuck a decade of this. My career is built on a foundation of sand and incompetence. The only reason I'm not fired is that the people around me are even more clueless.

It would be so motivating to be somewhere where you know they're doing it right and are at the top of their game. Instead it's all about making retarded baby mistakes and trying to dress up badly done basic shit as something impressive.

Anonymous No. 16398386

>>16397514
Based, what's wrong with yours? Computational phd?
>>16397625
He's mentally a teenager. Sometimes he's great to talk to, other times will just be randomly bitching at everything and getting mad at things he was fine with for months. Blames everything on everyone but himself. Nobody really likes him. Scolds grown ass adults in his lab like he's a damn middle school teacher for laughably petty things.

Still worth it for the line of work I'm getting to do IMO though. He's not even close to the worst guy I've worked with, he's still perfectly workable for now. I retain optimism.

Anonymous No. 16398634

>>16397960
>people know what they are doing
Imao

Anonymous No. 16398724

>>16397301
Yeah I remember after I graduated I put in an application for the air force. They called me, found out I was white, and never heard from them again kek.

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Anonymous No. 16398727

I finally got a job with my STEM PhD (industry). What is next? Gender transition?

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Anonymous No. 16398796

Is it still possible to make money as an online adjunct?

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Anonymous No. 16399068

>>16398727
Congratulations!
Next up is a celebration of this fact. Stay comfy.

Anonymous No. 16399122

>>16398727
Now do it for the next 40 years.

Anonymous No. 16399161

>>16398727
now you have to make sure to beat inflation while also convincing people that you're still useful for 40 years.

Anonymous No. 16399208

>>16398386
Oh it's computational alright. I had two and a half years of my precious beautiful life wasted on his dead end project, which is especially bad for me because I'm a highly sensitive indigo child that needs a leg up in life.

Anonymous No. 16399349

Hey I am a 30 year old with a philosophy degree (LOL) I was thinking of doing a cool STEM degree. Personally, well, I am not very smart (about 107 IQ) but I kinda like Astronomy... The issue is that it's not a good degree without postgraduate education. Are there any interesting yet well paying STEM degrees you would recommend?

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Anonymous No. 16399426

>suffered through near decade of military
>try to live my dream and get math degree
>finally get big boy, adult grown up man job at big shot defense contractor
>super excited to work on cool cutting edge things
>ask about math/software for autonomy
>"oh, another small niche company does that for us we integrate it into our platform"
>ask about the navigation aspect, start babbling excitedly about math I like and how it applies to my experience in the military
>"wow! that's incredible! But we don't do any of that, a university handles it for us and delivers it per program requirements"
>get directed to someone else working in weapons systems within the company, with the implication that I'll do lots of math there
>Its more slapping stuff together

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I'm always one fucking step behind, fuck. Its as if they make things as unfun and uninteresting as possible, and only some fart huffer club gets to do the cool math stuff and I don't know how to get in.

Anonymous No. 16399693

>>16399426
Yeah it's unfortunate but the world simply does not need that many people coming up with new things. And you're right it's hard to break into that club and the processes for doing so are capricious and often arbitrary, it's hard to get into them if you weren't set on the right path from an early age.

Anonymous No. 16399945

>>16399349
Engineering is probably your safest bet.

Anonymous No. 16399980

Is patent law a fulfilling career path for engineers?

Anonymous No. 16399988

>>16399426
I think >>16399693 is overreacting. The way I see it, the process is really either be a genius AND get lucky enough to get hired by a company that actually wants a genius, or do a PhD/postdoc and resign yourself to the fact that you'll be a poor loser for the next 10 years. The latter sounds horrible but it beats having a job you hate until death IMO

Anonymous No. 16400087

>>16399988
I am doing a PhD and you are deluded if you think the majority of PhDs will ever meaningfully contribute to new and useful technical developments.

Anonymous No. 16400088

This is a message to the universe/society:

Give me an internship or I am going to join ISIS.

Anonymous No. 16400405

Supervisor is going on paternity leave, how screwed am I? Any other PhD students been through this?

Anonymous No. 16400486

>>16400087
I'm doing a PhD too and I think you're a sad sack of shit that wants others to be miserable.

Anonymous No. 16400528

>>16393135
>China will be destroyed by climate change
>implying USA won't be
At least they'll be prepared with sea walls and dams and water rationing and shit we're in a more favorable position geographically and are determined to fuck it up farming alfalfa and moving to the sunbelt

Anonymous No. 16400541

>>16400088
pretty based post ngl and banger get my dude.

Anonymous No. 16400550

>>16400088
>Hello Anon, thank you for applying to join ISIS
>Unfortunately, we have decided to move forward with another candidate
>We encourage you to apply for future positions in our company :)

Anonymous No. 16400583

I wanna flunk out of my PhD

Anonymous No. 16400590

>>16400087
Obtaining a PhD should in itself imply a meaningful contribution. Sounds like you live in a thirdie country with fake universities.

Anonymous No. 16400725

>>16400590
You are a child.

Anonymous No. 16400726

>>16400486
Go fuck yourself, never respond to me again. If you can't face facts that's on you

Anonymous No. 16400727

>>16400590
Most PhDs make a very incremental contribution. You sound deluded.

>>16400486
So there are a lot of jobs out there where you get to make meaningful contributions to "cutting edge" things? You want to stake some money on that?

Anonymous No. 16400743

>>16400405
what a week of leave? a tiny bit of independence won't kill you, anon

Anonymous No. 16400760

>>16400405
First off your supervisor is a libtard for that so you are probably better off without him. Now you can research important things like COVID vaccine side effects

Anonymous No. 16400763

Mechanical Engineering bros, learn about vibrations and acoustics. It’s cash money in the semiconductor world.

Anonymous No. 16400770

>>16400763
I wish I had had the good sense to study engineering instead of becoming a twisted mathcel and ruining my own life.

Anonymous No. 16400829

>>16393101
give it to me straight /scg/
which STEM fields are best to go into for a good paying job?
second question I have a gf also interested in STEM but she's not very good with technical skills and much better at talking, what field would be best suited for her?
cheers

Anonymous No. 16400830

>>16400743
More like a few months, you're right I need to buckle in.
>>16400760
Wha?

Anonymous No. 16400839

>>16400405
I had that and it was fine. In my case we arranged a research visit to another university for that time, which ended up working out nicely.

Now when he later ditched the group entirely that was a different story.

Anonymous No. 16400842

>>16400839
>Now when he later ditched the group entirely that was a different story.
What happened there?

Anonymous No. 16400865

Dystopia maches on:
>AI Avatars Are Doing Job Interviews Now
https://slashdot.org/story/24/09/27/2232220/ai-avatars-are-doing-job-interviews-now
https://www.404media.co/ai-avatars-are-doing-job-interviews-now/
>"This HR AI avatar is a perfect demonstration of late stage capitalism," Ryan told 404 Media in an online chat. "While Fairgo's intent is to provide a fair and equitable interview process, I can't imagine AI, LLMs, and other tools are able to interpret the human emotion and facial reactions to provide an actual, well rounded interview."
>"As someone who has interviewed upwards of 50 candidates for prior roles, human connection and interaction is the single most important indicator of how a team will mesh and jive together. If an AI is running the early stage process, it eliminates potential candidates because of its algorithmic design," he added. "It shows how executives and corporations are further trying to cut costs on the human side of business. As someone who has seen these layoffs at numerous top tech companies that then go on to rehire 6-12-18 months later for the same roles because they realized their strategy failed and they actually need good people to do the work, it's laughable at best and terrifying at worst."

Anonymous No. 16400873

>>16400829
>I have a gf also interested in STEM but she's not very good with technical skills and much better at talking, what field would be best suited for her?
not STEM hehe

Anonymous No. 16400879

>>16400842
He got drunk at an event and tried to fuck a student. Not one of his own, but he had a pastoral role at the university so it was very much a no-go. Was essentially banned from his job while an internal investigation happened and eventually just quit.

We were never officially told what happened, one day he just wasn't there and his group was informed that he wouldn't be coming in for a while. With no explanation of the reason I initially thought either he or someone close to him had been in an accident or fallen severely ill or something. Because of this I didn't contact him about projects or whatever. Eventually we got someone who knew drunk enough to get the story out of them, although we had suspicions before.

The group didn't have any postdocs yet and the students were placed in other groups with PIs who did not know what the projects were and did not really care. This all unfolded right before COVID kicked off, at which point labs were shut down and the admin/PIs has bigger worries. My PhD therefore progressed as PI on paternity leave -> PI may be dead -> new PI does not care -> COVID shuts down labs for half a year, and that was the first two and a half years or a four year degree. The last half a year was spent mostly applying for jobs and moving countries alongside finishing my thesis, leaving around one year for effective research, plus whatever I got done as a clueless new student before it all went down.

I did get out with a degree and some publications, but it definitely wasn't of the quality I had aimed for and it basically killed any chance at academia right at the starting line. My career never really recovered, did a postdoc that was also cut short, this time because the PI got a better offer despite explicitly assuring me he would stay for X years. I'm now working an industry research job at a very small company with people who do not really know what they are doing. Could be worse but definitely not commensurate to the effort I put in.

Anonymous No. 16400886

>>16400879
Sounds less bad than I was expecting honestly, I'm glad it is somewhat working out.

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Anonymous No. 16401043

>>16393101
>already won
they've been saying this for over a decade
meanwhile in china

Anonymous No. 16401077

>>16400879
I think I would honestly become violent and antisocial if this happened to me

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Anonymous No. 16401108

I am a westoid unironically considering a postdoc in China, been applying to the UK and Italy for dark matter experiment but hardly getting any interviews, and I am growing impatient. I do not speak a single word of Mandarin, and even English is my second language. My PhD is from a pretty good university in the UK but I kinda suck, and I think everyone knows that I suck, or maybe I have imposter syndrome, or all of the above.

What do you guys think about this position in Westlake University, a "newly minted" private university in China?
https://inspirehep.net/jobs/2832701

The way I see it from the wikipedia page, the best case scenario is that these are western-minded professors really looking forward to get westerner collaborators and would be accommodating.
Worst case is that it's a literal scam, or they will just treat me as an outsider forever, or won't be interested in helping me succeed.

Like, for real, what is life really like in China, I don't have a single clue.

Anonymous No. 16401212

>>16401043
That is good. China has a lot of shitty engineers so I can easily stand out by just being good. They will pay well those that help fix things there.

Anonymous No. 16401246

What do you guys think about photonics? My university is practically on its knees begging people to join its photonics engineering program. Overall it seems like competition for jobs/internships is substantially less than it is for other engineering disciplines. Is it worth switching majors, or is it just a scam?

Anonymous No. 16401265

>>16393101
>>16401060

Anonymous No. 16401389

>>16401246
its good as a PhD topic

Anonymous No. 16401398

>>16399349
>but I kinda like Astronomy
It is an interesting subject, but even with a PhD it is practically impossible to get a job.

Anonymous No. 16401431

>>16401077
You never know until you get there, I've had to deal with worse. Excess sympathy (alongside general motivation) has been shaken off along the way. But this is more or less how life works for the majority of people, getting educated means you at least have options and can go get stepped on by someone else if you want to. These kinds of circumstances are one reason to not make your degree/job your whole identity, which unfortunately is basically what academia requires.

>>16401246
From a researcher perspective, photonics is far from a scam. In my view it's an area with a large amount of real technological applications already, and a fantastic amount of research directions applicable from improving existing technologies to making some really space age shit and even fundamental physics. From a job market perspective I do not have a great idea. Things to look out for are that there may not be a relevant employer in every town and coolest jobs may require advanced degrees. It's the kind of field where physics PhDs who flunked out of academia might actually get industry jobs.

Anonymous No. 16401466

>>16399349
Do a PhD in a stem topic. Don't go back for another bachelor

Anonymous No. 16401500

>>16401431
>These kinds of circumstances are one reason to not make your degree/job your whole identity, which unfortunately is basically what academia requires.

This has been the hardest part of returning to academia after working. Especially as you realise just how little you control the outcome of research, ones career, life in general.

Anonymous No. 16401554

>>16401108
life in china is great if you can get even a quarter of the postdoc money in the US. don't know about the university tho. I would try to avoid anything "new" and not established in china cause they're usually are degree mill money making scheme and are looking for researcher just to establish some credentials so they can attract undergrad students. you likely won't have good supervisor colleagues there to learn from. stick to the China Ivies if you can but they're most likely much harder to get a postdoc there than your average UK universities.

Anonymous No. 16402006

>>16401246
Quatum Engineering and Quatum Metrology is photonics, current semi-conductor production is photonics, next-gen consumer ICT is going to be photonics.

Join the program dude.

Anonymous No. 16402060

I have 3 potential offers, as a masters soon to graduate student in Europe.
- job offer from Uber in Amsterdam
- RA offer at a lab led by MIT and Harvard postdocs whom I have a very good relationship with, that basically hinted at writing me rec letters for his harvard/mit colleagues when I will apply for a PhD
- internship offer at a well known space tech company

My only goal is to make it to the US and leave Europe forever. Im weighting which would give me the highest ods at gettibg there with the least amount of friction and highest odds of success.
I really want to join the harvard/MIT postdocs lab because I know the networking opportunity is huge and that could be a golden ticket to the US through a top school phd program, potentially even getting opportunity to go for O-1 after I publish in a couple of venues.
Space tech internship could lead to return offer more easily but H1B is just 6 years of pure stress and potential exploitation, but at least it would be something.
Uber would be great for my CV and safer but I dont want to live in Netherlands and its shit weather and European politics

My plan is to work in the space industry in R&D if possible. I know for a fact Europe will simply never make it, every year we fall behind more and more, there is no space for the talented and skilled to grow and make it. All of our brightest and smartests find ways to go to the US either through unnecessary masters, bullshit startups riding the current tech trend to attract investors etc. I also want out.
Also the fucking finances of average European man are literally third world tier now it's not even funny anymore.

Anonymous No. 16402067

>>16401246
photonics is or is going to be huge everywhere so go for it. It's very diverse in subjects, you can go for theoretical physics, experimental optics, quantum shit, integrated shit, non-linear shit...

just be careful about integrated photonics, it's still well-funded and hyped but part of the industry is starting to have some sckepticism for the actual use of photonic chips, since it still needs a whole lab to operate (sources, couplings, etc...) and it's not getting any better at all
(source: knows)

Anonymous No. 16402073

>>16402060
>RA offer at a lab led by MIT and Harvard postdocs whom I have a very good relationship with, that basically hinted at writing me rec letters for his harvard/mit colleagues when I will apply for a PhD
so this is only an informal offer? I don't think you're getting into harvard/mit with postdoc recommendations only, it's not their lab even if they literally do all the work, sounds like there's a professor with whom you have no relationship with.
but if you can get your foot in in any way it's a no brainer, you literally can't do better. even if you spend a couple of months there on something small that would be very good for any mid-good university in the US, if your only goal is to get there.
>Also the fucking finances of average European man are literally third world tier now it's not even funny anymore.
yeah, you'll be extremely disappointed upon getting to the USA, the entire west is in shambles. your salary might double, but so will your expenses. the only economically justifiable reason to move to the usa is that you plan on sending money back to your home country.

Anonymous No. 16402080

>>16402073
I have a professor that is well respected in the field (19k citations, chair of the fields major conference) vouching for me already, but had no other recommendation otherwise. The two postdocs have spent considerable amount of time at MIT so I think this would be the icing on the cake.
But I agree it being an informal offer isnt ideal but Im willing to go the extra mile to get them to vouch for me.
Anyways, thanks for the input.

Anonymous No. 16402085

>>16402073
>yeah, you'll be extremely disappointed upon getting to the USA, the entire west is in shambles. your salary might double, but so will your expenses.
This is not true. Your costs will very likely decrease in the USA unless you're from a former Soviet state. Food and energy is very very cheap.
t. Got the fuck out of my shithole into your slightly less bad shithole. Americans have no idea how bad it is getting elsewhere, wealth is just getting siphoned from all of Europe into the USA.

Anonymous No. 16402097

>>16402060
>>16402073
>>16402080
>>16402085
I'm planning on moving from Canada to the USA too when I'm done my PhD. Expenses would drop by so much even if I kept my current salary I would be ahead.

Anonymous No. 16402123

>>16402080
just to clarify I didn't mean to discourage you or anything, I would give my left nipple to get even the most informal of offers at MIT, you should definitely pursue that and try to make it formal, then move your ass there

Anonymous No. 16402192

>>16397624
>The only silver lining is their high ethnic homogeneity.
Nailed it. Which together with their subservience to authority and lack of individual independence means the Chinese will respond to a demographic crisis much faster than the West.
Besides I have doubts whether the the "Chinese demographic crisis" is as severe as western clickbait journalists and doomers ( like Peter Zeihan ) like to make out. From a study of satellite images showing the extent of damage and heavy erosion to the Chinese landscape I would say looming environmental catastrophes outweigh the problems of the demographic crisis even if its as bad as they say. In which case major population reduction could be a long term blessing in disguise.

Anonymous No. 16402249

>>16402192
Zeihan is an unironic glownigger who exclusively pushes state department propaganda. He openly admitted that he works for the CIA during his Rogan appearance.

Anonymous No. 16402258

>>16401246
I was going to do photonics but I backed out because all the jobs were in Arizona or California. And fuck that.

Anonymous No. 16402267

>>16402258
To expand on this, I did my undergrad in EE and then got accepted into UoA's photonics MS program. Simply getting admitted into the program was enough to get me a job offer from L3Harris, even before I had taken a single class. So the jobs are out there but you will very probably have to work on the West coast, and you will probably have to do work that serves the Satanic Empire's weapon systems programs in some way. So if you are fine with infinite death and being a rentoid for the rest of your life, photonics is the way to go.

Anonymous No. 16402276

Is robotics a meme? I'm sophomore, and where all jobs for us excluding IT? Who will hire "robot engineer"?
Even with science work,you do average engineer work, nothing very robotic

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Anonymous No. 16402294

Opinions on this programme? Is is a meme?

Anonymous No. 16402399

>>16402267
I see, thank you. Considering I'm in the aerospace engineering program right now, I'm probably going to make missiles or some shit anyway, so I guess that hasn't changed much. When you say the jobs are only on the west coast, are you mostly referring to California, or are there jobs available in Oregon/Washington as well? I wouldn't mind living in Seattle.

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Anonymous No. 16402565

Has Academia produced anything worthwhile? I considered studying STEM and got an EE Baschelor. Now applying for a Masters and thinking of joining but it seems Academia only produces papers and the real contributions come from the wonders of private enterprises and startups. Am I being conned by college and is real change only through the wonders of Capitalism?

Anonymous No. 16402567

>>16397587
Can we switch? You can join my mexican shithole and fuck latinas. I'd kill for getting to fuck swedish beauties. Am a Physics PhD

Anonymous No. 16402575

>>16402565
Yes, but it's not going to be the instant gratification like in industry I believe. You have to want to work on theoretical research for your own satisfaction with the caveat that you will probably never be known or celebrated. You basically have to be hyper specialized these days to do anything that's even worth writing about and most of your peers won't know what it is you're doing. Tag on other political bullshit and favoritism and you have to absolutely want it more than anything. Otherwise, just stay in industry and make your good goy points.

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Anonymous No. 16402582

>>16402575
More than points I want money and to actually build stuff. Academia seems like a bunch of people regurgitating data and eating out other researcher's regurgitated crap (like all those papers that "review the state of things" every month) rather than Musk's goal to conquer Mars or Gutenberg's printing press business.
Capitalism just seems more effective and Academia looks more like a kindergarten where psychos are kept in so they don't think no-no stuff such as why inflation is so huge.

Anonymous No. 16402586

As a PE, I get paid a ludicrous salary to just take the blame if something goes wrong. I don’t even do design anymore.

Anonymous No. 16402593

Man the C-suite is fucking scandalous. Goddamn degenerates.

Anonymous No. 16402596

>>16402582
>I want money
don't go into academia
but on the other hand, you seem to be the type of self-confident, know-it-all psycho that would really enjoy academia the most, so maybe go into academia.

Anonymous No. 16402599

>>16402596
That's my conundrum, I do love what Academia does. Just not the results

Anonymous No. 16402604

>>16402599
well, then dip your toes in with your masters. you're more likely to get into interesting companies/startups afterwards if you want to. and you get to look down at people with less degrees than you instead of always being sourgrapes about academia

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Anonymous No. 16402609

>>16402604
I agree, I guess earning a Masters is inevitable given the current competitive environment we're in so an EE Bachelors won't cut it. Would a Physics or Math PhD be worth it in a startup or something like SpaceX/Tesla or is a Masters enough?

Anonymous No. 16402622

>>16402609
>Physics or Math PhD be worth it in a startup or something like SpaceX/Tesla
no
>is a Masters enough?
no, you also have to network like your life depends on it

Anonymous No. 16402655

>>16402097
Fuck you, seriously just fuck you for having opportunities and still being on this website.

Anonymous No. 16402665

I find a lot of the personalities involved in my field to be extremely irritating. How can I aspire to that level of know it all smugness?

Anonymous No. 16402693

>>16402655
Huh?

Anonymous No. 16402704

>>16396418
You just get into the program and take the required undergrad classes while getting paid your stipend. That's how interdisciplinary programs work

Anonymous No. 16402714

>>16399349
Why not crush the Lsats and get a law degree/PhD paid for by the school?

Anonymous No. 16402765

>>16402565
This is an ignorant take. Academia produces a large amount of actually useful research, alongside the heaps of trash. Academia is not a commercial enterprise, so whatever is eventually commercialized will either be adopted by other industry people or pushed by the academics themselves via a startup. From this you may think that it is only the companies that do anything, but that isn't really true. Much of the groundwork is laid by academics, and that is often the really interesting part. Making a profitable product out of a good idea is not trivial, but it's a different set of skills.

The amount of technologically relevant academic research in the applied sciences is massive. The topics are far less constrained than in industry, where the only research that gets done is something that will translate to direct financial gain in the short to medium term. Big, open-ended industrial research teams like Bell Labs are dead and buried, it's mostly nickel-and-diming incremental progress and intellectual property generation/skirting these days.

>>16402575
Academic research goes far beyond theory. Further, your perspective of academia resulting in you being unknown is somewhat backwards. Academia is very outwards-oriented; as a researcher, your continued existence depends on your name and work being known and respected among your peers, and everything you do is basically promoting yourself and your work to as big an audience as possible. In industrial research most of what you come up with is protected and hidden as much as possible to maintain a competitive advantage. And unless you are the founder, your name will absolutely not be known to anyone or be associated with your inventions. And if you think academia is hyper specialized, wait until you see what industrial research is like.

But because everything must suck, academia is a decade+ hazing period before you get the good jobs at which point you don't get to really do research anymore. So pick your poison.

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Anonymous No. 16402775

>>16402765
>Much of the groundwork is laid by academics, and that is often the really interesting part.
That's a reductive take. Elon Musk presented in an interview how he loathes Academia because they're all a bunch of pencil pushers and how he didn't need their "experts" to create Tesla and SpaceX. All it takes is the know how and Academia is good at theoretical stuff, but actually putting man on Mars requires capitalists like Elon Musk who don't spend all day sitting on their asses grading papers.

Anonymous No. 16402785

>>16402693
What about what I said is confusing you punk?

Anonymous No. 16402786

>>16402714
He's not american

>>16402775
Elon musk is a welfare queen and a product of the American defense industry, get a fuckin clue

Anonymous No. 16402793

>>16402786
>Elon musk is a welfare queen and a product of the American defense industry, get a fuckin clue
That's a lie, he posted in his twitter how he had to achieve everything on his lonesome and how all his businesses are a product of his ingenuity and cleverness. He says anyone who wanted can become a billionaire just like him AND change the world. Academics are just afraid to become like him

Anonymous No. 16402802

>>16402793
Damn, truke...

Anonymous No. 16402936

I'm a bit over a month into my first semester studying EE and I'm already tired of doing this shit knowing that I'm going to end up unemployed with debt. Should I just drop out already and try to become an electrician?

Anonymous No. 16402939

>>16402936
Why not be an electrician to pay off your debt AND study EE to get more money in the long run? What are you, a faggot?

Anonymous No. 16402996

>>16400879
>He got drunk at an event and tried to fuck a student
Perk of the job

Anonymous No. 16403008

>>16402786
>Elon musk is a welfare queen and a product of the American defense industry, get a fuckin clue
Name a major American company that isn't a welfare queen. For some reason people still pretend like we have a "free market" when in reality a massive fusion of the state and corporations already happened.

Anonymous No. 16403055

>>16402294

It depends on what you want to do. If your goals after this. Its a terminal degree, and from my experience these are only worth pursuing once you are already in a company and they want you to contribute or head up a program, so they collaborate with universities to get you a discounted degree.

Anonymous No. 16403462

I’m a geology major thinking of going into volcanology if I get my masters. What are some other career paths I can take with either an associates, bachelors? What geological field would you recommend getting a master’s in?

Anonymous No. 16403464

I hate effective altruists so much. They have seized control of my field and turned it into a big polyamorous NGO party. They are like a mafia if you aren't part of their clique good luck finding a fucking job, especially if your a white guy boy don't even get me started.

Anonymous No. 16403531

>>16403008
I completely agree, but at least in communism the head of the big steel company wasn't some kind of bizarre celebrity spending all day doing cringe shit for a public audience.

Anonymous No. 16403611

I am trying to pivot out of my quality engineering role ($80k per year) and have a chemical engineering position at an AF base coming up. Is there any way I can swing getting a similar salary switching to a government job, and should I ask for more than I currently am making?
>1.5 year full time quality engineering experience
>finishing my MS in chem E in the spring
>3 years part time research experience in chemical lab during undergrad (published my own work)
>1 year part time experience in aerospace manufacturing

Fair to claim 1.5 + 3 / 2 + 1 / 2 = 3.5 years total experience?

Anonymous No. 16403678

How do you even get a job outside of academia? I feel like after my post doc is over I'm cooked. My CV isn't good enough to get an academic position and honestly being a grant writing bot sounds like hell, I'd rather be in the lab.
But every position i see that isn't for QC has requirements that I don't meet.
t. Organometallic chemistry PhD (not in anything to do with polymers or something where you get practical analytical skills. Just an NMR, XRD-using schlenk line monkey. Never operated a GC or LC MS in my life)

Anonymous No. 16403692

I'm in my first semester of a PhD program and I am fucking hating it. When do I drop out?

Anonymous No. 16403708

>>16403692
Look for a job in the meantime and leave when you get one.

Anonymous No. 16403872

>>16403692
Out of curiosity, what do you hate about the program? Is it inherent to what a PhD is, the PI or peers you're working under/with?

Anonymous No. 16403883

>>16403872
I don't particularly like my PI. She seems to have a poor reputation. I cannot stand the women in my cohort. There's only 5 of them, but man, I really don't like being in the same room as them. More importantly, I'm not keeping up with the classes and research. I need to work over the weekend, but I'm usually too burned out and depressed to get out of bed.

Anonymous No. 16403935

I want to beat the shit out of the cunts and faggots who make everyone write EDI statements. Fucking pieces of maggot shit that has nothing to do but waste time for everyone else.
Hours and hours wasted on crafting these pile of garbage that has nothing to do with my research.
Can't way until the tide turns and those piece of shit get taken to the woodchipper.

Anonymous No. 16403976

>>16403611
You should absolutely ask for more than you're making now. The "govt jobs pay less, but have better benefits," thing isn't really true anymore. Don't fuck with your experience, just be honest about it, what you've listed here is still valuable experience.

Anonymous No. 16403979

fags

Anonymous No. 16404101

The fact I couldn't hack it as a mathematician and had to console myself with a career (such as it is) in machine learning instead is like being stabbed in the heart everyday

Anonymous No. 16404214

How long is it reasonable to wait for an offer from HR? The hiring manager emailed me 15 days ago asking me when I could start. Still no formal offer. I sent him a remainder a couple days ago. He blamed the delay on HR. What is going on?

Anonymous No. 16404461

>>16403935
That's what gpt is for lol.

Anonymous No. 16404488

>>16403976
GS payscales are pretty locked in. You can negotiate for a higher step but you are still confined to whatever grade pay range.

Anonymous No. 16404550

>be 32
>have PE
>considered a “senior engineer” because all the boomers are half assed retired doing part time contract work and zoomers don’t want to do MEP work.

I feel lost in space.

Anonymous No. 16404604

>>16404550
Teach me? I am dying to get my PE but nobody is around to mentor me. I am a chemical engineer btw

Anonymous No. 16404656

Almost 2 years into my postdoc and I've lost all motivation for the research part. I like seeing the spark in my students' eyes, but I couldn't give a fuck about the subject anymore. Break it to me, should I sell my soul and take an industry job for 3 times the salary instead?

Anonymous No. 16404799

>>16402655
We are all going to make it, anon, and that includes you too. And when we do, we will still be here.

T. Made it

Anonymous No. 16404882

>>16403692 >>16404656
Hang on in there, the job market is the pits, and a PhD and postdoc contracts are far better than a big hole in your CV/Resume. And some will appreciate the skills you can bring to the table.

>>16403678
>How do you even get a job outside of academia?
Just apply, that is what I did.
>I feel like after my post doc is over I'm cooked. My CV isn't good enough to get an academic position and honestly being a grant writing bot sounds like hell, I'd rather be in the lab.
I felt the same back then but I did get a job in industry. You might try a national lab as a transition route.

WAGMI!

Anonymous No. 16404909

>>16393101
>formulate really good research proposal on stem cells
>3.01 GPA filtering me through the applications process for a phd
How over is it for me? I'm tired of writing those dumbass essays. The admissions committees seemingly only want higher grades and the most generic essay in my experience

Anonymous No. 16404950

>>16404799
No I didn't get into oxbridge as a young man so my chance to ever lead a DISTINGUISHED life was shattered.

Anonymous No. 16404960

>>16404950
I didn't attend Oxbridge, not even Russel Group, but I still made it.

Anonymous No. 16404973

>>16404960
Define "making it", are you a member of one of London's fabulous private members clubs?

Anonymous No. 16404993

>>16404973
Making it: a good, safe and well paid job well outside London. I can retire comnfortably any time I want.
And why go to a private members club when I can enjoy a fabulous cuppa tea in my own home?? It is not quite a pile but still a nice place out in the country side.

Anonymous No. 16404996

>>16404993
Ah yes, the slime mold life, wonderful. As. Gourmand of world historical proportions with an insatiable lust for the finer things in life the life you are describing to me sounds like hell.

Anonymous No. 16404998

>>16404993
The only place worth living in London (outside of small parts of the peak and lake district) is within zone 2 of London.

Anonymous No. 16405033

>>16404996
>insatiable lust for the finer things in life
My man, if you cannot brew yourself a nice cuppa tea, you sure have a major problem.

Anonymous No. 16405044

>>16405033
I prefer coffee.

Anonymous No. 16405072

>>16404993
>outside London
do you commute?

Anonymous No. 16405075

>>16405072
Yes, but I no longer live or work in the UK.

Anonymous No. 16405118

Does anyone else's work have an obscene amount of pride flags? There are at least two dozen within direct view from my cubicle. Even if you aren't necessarily homophobic, isn't it a little bit weird? Is there some sort of list you get on for putting one up or not?

Anonymous No. 16405126

>>16405075
>larps as a cosy down home little Englander
>Actually a global British shark

I mistook your game...

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Anonymous No. 16405128

>still no offer

Anonymous No. 16405139

>>16404550
>zoomers don’t want to do MEP work.
I get auto-rejected from every entry level MEP job I apply to because I don't have 10 years of experience with Revit

Anonymous No. 16405147

I want to die.

Anonymous No. 16405150

>>16405118
Gay anal sex is the official imperial religion of democracy.
No two anal states have ever gone to war with each other. Ponder that.

Anonymous No. 16405179

>>16405150
It's just weird to be called into your boss's office and there is just a big rainbow flag behind him. It feels like a Simpson's episode. It can't possibly be like this everywhere?

Anonymous No. 16405206

I am being persecuted for simply being me, my supervisor hates me and the next time I meet him in real life I'm going to fist fight him

Anonymous No. 16405239

Real question right now to PhDs and postdocs, pls be blunt and real with me. Do you ever feel like you traded the best years of your life for Academia? If so, was it worth it?

Always wanted to do a research at a top institute, worked my ass off through bsc + msc for a total of 6 years of my youth. School was SHIT for me socially and mentally, I was lonely, I gave away the best years of my life for the GPAs, internships and lab experience.
Now I am 3 months into a research internship in Tokyo and with PhD application season coming up I realize Im spending most of my time grinding my ass off writing SoPs, refining my resume, begging for LoRs. Ive also been wasting all my free time writing papers and arguing with reviewers.

I see people my age here with no degree who spend their free time learning japanese and making new friends, fucking around and overall just being carefree and enjoying life til they hit their late 20s, and they are infinitely happier than I am. It just hit me how I could have been living a normal enjoyable life the past 6 years.

Now I wonder if a PhD is worth it. I have a PI recomending me to a top 5 uni'lab he used to lead, who clearly told me I am the perfect match, and this is what I worked my ass off 6 years for.

But so far, I havent truly experienced life and this is my last chance to say fuck it and postpone my career aspirations until Im satisfied. I worry Ill just be throwing the rest of my youth away at a lab desperately chasing citations and fighting for conference papers while I could just stay here in Tokyo, live in my small condo off of a nice but not fantastic salary, date girls, hang out late at night with friends, indulge in hobbies.

My family, close friends and PI all are telling me its just FOMO and Im throwing away a perfect opportunity I might not get back.

Anonymous No. 16405245

>>16405179
If you have a problem with it, you're the weird one.

Anonymous No. 16405297

>>16405245
The Emperor has no clothes

Anonymous No. 16405394

>>16405239
I'm getting to the end of a PhD and I've often felt like this, and still do occasionally although now my concerns are more about my PhD not amounting all that I hoped it could have been.

If you aren't the sort of person who can manage the vicissitudes of academic life at a high level and also have a rewarding social life then you will probably have to make a choice. Which do you care about more, academic plaudits and accolades and (maybe because its never guaranteed) an academic career, or the trappings of a "normal" life? My best memories in life are largely unrelated to this PhD.

All I can say is that if I'm being honest, I have become largely sick of my field of study and I miss my relatively easier and much better paid tech job I had before this and its only really been the support I've gotten from my gf (who I am blessed to have given my atrocious social life throughout my life) that has kept me going. Doing a phd is very hard emotionally and if you have any mental "illness" or anxiety or anything like that it will probably exacerbate it.

You could of course take the phd and not give it everything you've got, but I'm guessing you might be quite an all or nothing person. If you are a good candidate this probably isn't your only chance, and just because the lab is well renowned doesn't mean it will be the right place for you, a lot of the top labs are boiler rooms. You have to being very clear headed about what you are signing yourself up to re your supervisor, his expectations, your expectations etc.

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Anonymous No. 16405454

>>16393101
I'm applying for a bioinformatics phd position in my country, the only one to be precise. It's in a different faculty from my own as mine doesn't have the manpower nor the budget to support such a program. I have to pass a single entrance exam. What should I do if I fail? I have good knowledge regarding machine learning and mathematical modelling. I worked with MATLAB, Python and R. I just don't know what to do in the case I don't make it...

Barkin No. 16405459

>>16405454
stoptakingthedrugof academia

It bad

Anonymous No. 16405485

>>16405459
I know but with this position I have a good chance to break into industry.

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Anonymous No. 16405534

>>16405147
Stay comfy, anon, we are all going to make it!

Anonymous No. 16405605

>>16405147
LIVE

Anonymous No. 16405639

>>16405239
Eh. The years will pass anyway, I don't think you waste life by living it. There's also not a dichotomy between throwing out your career entirely and dedicating your entire existence to it, even within academia. I maintain that 8 hours of actual focused work with proper planning will get you very far. Most PhD students are too inexperienced to properly direct themselves and either badly managed or not managed at all by their supervisors, so they waste a lot of time until they figure it out.

Once you fall off the wagon you will find it much harder to re-enter academia. It's of course not the end of the world if that happens, but if it is something you would regret I wouldn't stall.

People absolutely do fuck around and have hobbies, friends and such during a PhD. If you want excuses to not do those things the PhD will provide them, but they mostly are just that. I wouldn't think of things in terms of "others" having "normal" lives and you being something special. You're just as normal as anyone, for better or for worse, and you've ended up with your choices for a reason. There's academics with busy social lives and coffee shop workers with no friends, you are who you are.

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Anonymous No. 16405647

Does anyone know what a proper "jurisdictional scan" is, or should I just be typing informative essays?
If the latter should it be the same topics as the literature review or entirely focused on things that prove my thesis?

Anonymous No. 16405672

>>16395011
>advanced brain rot, the thread
calculating the square root of a decimal is so easy, you just click this button and another number pops up, that's when you know it's the answer! are you Israeli, by any chance?

Anonymous No. 16405841

>>16404604
Have you passed the exams? Having both of those knocked out will make you attractive to firms looking to bolster their PE ranks.

>>16405139
See above. Do all the Revit tutorials, you can get a trial month to learn or a student license for cheap. Then if all else fails, lie. It’s legit not a difficult software package. You might be applying to the wrong positions, no serious design firm does a lot of drafting, all that shit is farmed out to thirdie shit holes because they do it for Pennie’s on the dollar and you need maaaybe one guy with Revit skills around to make random tweaks. Everything is done with blue beam and excel.

Anonymous No. 16406021

>>16405841
I passed the FE but have not started studying for the PE exam yet. Will probably wait until I finish my master's to hit the books hard there.

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Anonymous No. 16406267

>>16405239
>Real question right now to PhDs and postdocs, pls be blunt and real with me. Do you ever feel like you traded the best years of your life for Academia? If so, was it worth it?
Yes, it was worth it. This is the time of your life when you can put in the massive effort it takes and without having gotten used to disposable income. It was well worth it, and you will appreciate this more as you grow older.

>I see people my age here with no degree who spend their free time learning japanese and making new friends,
I just did a postdoc in Japan and learned enough of the language to pass two of the official proficiency exams. You learn more about a country if you live and work there compared to watching anime. And you can still make new friends, many of my colleagues even got married there.

>fucking around and overall just being carefree and enjoying life til they hit their late 20s, and they are infinitely happier than I am. It just hit me how I could have been living a normal enjoyable life the past 6 years.
And 10 years later they are stuck. Look up "gold collar".

>But so far, I havent truly experienced life and this is my last chance
My man, ofr you life has just started, it is not over at all.

Anonymous No. 16406288

>>16406267
>The time of your life
Why would you lie to this guy man...

Anonymous No. 16406363

>>16406021
Oh shit nigger what are you doing? No. Just no. The PE is easier than the FE. You don’t need to study unless the FE was hard for you. Take that shit now before brain rot sets in and you forget stuff.

Anonymous No. 16406397

Im in a middle of a EE and AT Bachelor and I have absolutely no interest to work on anything that has more than 230 volts in it. What use is there with all of these three phase impedance calculations and shit when working in automation? Been working as an electrician/automation guy for a few years before school and it doens't seem to be as complicated.

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Anonymous No. 16406454

>>16406267
>Do you ever feel like you traded the best years of your life for Academia?
>Yes, it was worth it.

Yeah being an under paid researcher for 6+ years sounds great. Can't you become a scientist in industry with just a masters degree?

Anonymous No. 16406483

Give me an internship/job or there's going to be trouble.

Anonymous No. 16406768

EPO is recruiting new Examiner:
https://jobs.epo.org/
I sure hope the 200+ days of unemployment sees this.

>>16399980
>Is patent law a fulfilling career path for engineers?
Yes. It is also well paid.

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Anonymous No. 16406777

>>16406288
Noe lies here.

>>16406454
>Yeah being an under paid researcher for 6+ years sounds great.
First off, your first job is unlikely to be well paid, it is an entry form which you progress. Secondly, a PhD studentship is normally paid, in Europe often well paid. Mine was not but then again that was a long time ago now. Postdoc contracts can be good, mine were rather average. So let's say your time as a PhD student plus 2 postdoc contracts you put in 7 - 9 years. Pay will not be huge but you should be able to clock up a lot of experiences, culture, languages and more. Just make sure you don't stay in the labs 24/7.
>Can't you become a scientist in industry with just a masters degree?
I know of only one such country and the research is not that hot.

Anonymous No. 16406954

>>16399980
yeah but it's impossible to get in. I wasted 3 years of my life applying both in my country and outside of it and couldn't get anything

>>16406768
it might be well paid but you'll never get in.
Even rural germany doesn't take you. Nobody ever takes you.

Anonymous No. 16407049

>have to pay $350 for the latest textbook
>have to pay another $50 that coincides with the textbook in order to access the assignments

Pearson is a bunch of fucking Jewish bullshit

Anonymous No. 16407243

Hey /scg/, I'm about a year out from applying to Ph.D. programs, and I can use some advice on internships for this summer. I currently have two separate offers I'm evaluating from different industry labs, both in the defense sector, but dealing with very different technologies. The first is based on reverse engineering embedded hardware/software, and the second is FPGA/embedded for space applications. I plan on applying to labs next year in the embedded area, but I'm not sure if either subject would pigeonhole me either into security or space research-wise. I'm also not as familiar with the specifics of reverse engineering and security, where as I have a little more experience with space electronics. Which would you recommend going with?

Anonymous No. 16407374

>>16406777
You have to factor in lost earnings and lost careers progression you LIAR

Anonymous No. 16407376

>>16407243
This is a thread for people who have been blackballed by society and can't get internships. Why do you think we would have advice for your situation

Anonymous No. 16407377

>>16407243
Both are rather specific but that is not a problem in an internship. You won't be pidgeonholed by internships, and not by a PhD. Once you have done several postdocs you might be, but now it is not a concern.
Reverse engineering is ratehr specific but can give you a lot of insight into embedded hardware, it can be like learning from the masters.
FPGA skills are widely applicable, not just in space but also in instrumentation, radar/radio, sensors and more. This is always a good skill to have.

In any case there are also other parameters that are important, like finding and how well networked your colleagues and PI will be.

Anonymous No. 16407380

Very much a longshot, and not so much a career question, but any glaciologists/chemists here?

Anonymous No. 16407381

>>16407243
No background in either field here, but is the first position cleared? If it is I'd go with that one. Clearances are good for seven years and belong to you, not the company. Could open some cool doors in the future.

Anonymous No. 16407389

>>16407374
No. The initial career progression is slow but you more than make up for it later on. That was not just my experience but I see this in others I know well. The trick is to ket out of academia soon enough.
Also, there is a lot more to life than money and career.

Anonymous No. 16407410

>>16407389
There is nothing more than salary and career in my fucked up miserable incel life you LIAR

Anonymous No. 16407416

>>16407410
If that is all that life is to you, you seriously need to reevaluate your life.

Anonymous No. 16407419

>>16407416
My life was evaluated for me by society and I was found WANTING and they cast me out into the COLD

Anonymous No. 16407457

>>16407419
You think that is bad? I was "evaluated" by a woman. She looked me up and down and then declared I had to have a salary of at least one million before she would consider anything serious. Of course I didn't earn anything close to that, so she just turned around and left. I never saw her again.
Oh, and she was Russian, so it didn't bother me much.

Anonymous No. 16407550

>>16407457
Don't worry our time will come.

Anonymous No. 16407573

>>16407457
She just told you you weren't her type

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Anonymous No. 16407736

>trying to make a decent career change within oil and gas
>no interviews
feels bad. I really don't want to move for a job and go back to my niche specialty.

Anonymous No. 16407747

>>16407736
>trying to get a job in energy right before an election
They don't know what stance they should take and probably are on a hiring freeze.

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Anonymous No. 16407748

>>16407747
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
worst comes to worst...I move. even with a large gap (at 4 months rn) I'm likely to be able to get a job if I move...work circles around some of the retards at those places. Fuck I don't want to.

Anonymous No. 16407944

>>16406768
what's the salary per month for this?

Anonymous No. 16407992

>>16407416
i love how the solution to incurable chronic problems is just "reevaluate bro lmao"

some people are just fucked up beyond any hope of repair

Anonymous No. 16408013

>>16407992
Yeah I am fucked beyond repair and it was done to me as a defenceless child. I need a stipend from the government and apologies from everyone I have ever interacted with

Anonymous No. 16408060

>>16407573
She told me I could not fund her needs.

Anonymous No. 16408078

>>16406954
>yeah but it's impossible to get in. I wasted 3 years of my life applying both in my country and outside of it and couldn't get anything
Strange. What country?

>it might be well paid but you'll never get in.
German? In that case there is a higly unofficial limit in place just to make sure EPO is not too German. They want to see people from every member state.

>>16407944
>what's the salary per month for this?
Starting salary is in the range EUR 6758 - 9620 plus a wide range of benefits (family, expat, relocation and more).
And only a 2 percent internal tax.

Anonymous No. 16408096

>>16407550
>Don't worry our time will come.
Yes!

>>16407992
>i love how the solution to incurable chronic problems is just "reevaluate bro lmao"
In this case it was a focus on salary and career to the point of exclusion of everything else. Incurable?
>some people are just fucked up beyond any hope of repair
No. We have to believe in a better tomorrow and that we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Every dog shall have his day, so our time will come.

Anonymous No. 16408121

>>16408078
>(family, expat, relocation and more).
what does this mean

Anonymous No. 16408269

I swear the patent guy is some kind of weird glownigger. He's shilling in this thread like it's his full time job every time I check it.

Anonymous No. 16408345

>my company wants me to get an Indian PE license

lol I’m gonna be able to design designated shitting streets bros.

Anonymous No. 16408509

>>16408121
EPO has offices in different countries and if you are hired at an office in a country you are not from, they pay extra, and more so if you bring a family.

Anonymous No. 16408577

>>16408269
>I swear the patent guy is some kind of weird glownigger.
I totally deny having ever worked for an intelligence agency in the US. Oh no, definitely not.
>He's shilling in this thread like it's his full time job every time I check it.
First off there are more than one of us. I posted here but I am not paid for it. I am a patent attorney and I am used to provide service. And I donæt get paid a penny for this. This is a line of work that is recession proof and needs people, so why not share? There is also at least one US patent attorney and one Examiner, probably at the USPTO. Examiner and patent attorneys typically have a minimum of a master's degree, and PhD is common, and many have had a few postdoc contracts.

Anonymous No. 16408607

Fuck Indians I fucking hate Indians so fucking much god fucking damn it. Can’t even get a fucking job after graduating because these fucking faggots came to my country and are slotting in to every posted opening by the thousands. And fuck my useless saturated fucking degree.

Anonymous No. 16408609

>>16408607
I am better than all of you, better than all the dreaming children hoping to become something good. A weapon, a true soldier and man of proficiency.

Anonymous No. 16408727

>>16408607
Right there with you brother, luckily thanks to the internet people are beginning to figure this out.

Anonymous No. 16408762

>>16400829
>I have a gf also interested in STEM but she's not very good with technical skills and much better at talking
not being a cunt, but what does this mean

Anonymous No. 16409095

They have to give me an internship. They just have to. It doesn't make any sense if the bubbly imaginative 28 year old indigo child with a heart of gold doesn't win in the end.

Anonymous No. 16409249

>>16400829
>which STEM fields are best to go into for a good paying job?
none of them

Anonymous No. 16409252

>>16400829
>second question I have a gf also interested in STEM but she's not very good with technical skills and much better at talking, what field would be best suited for her?
nursing, teaching and doctor

Anonymous No. 16409282

I'm such a fucking failure, I've squandered every gift I've ever been given and I'm being gangstalked.

Anonymous No. 16409610

They couldn't invent a more effective form of torture than making me apply for jobs

Anonymous No. 16409743

1 year later and I'm still on contract. A second class citizen, denied benefits and respect.

Anonymous No. 16409767

My life is a series of humiliations. Getting a math degree was my greatest error. What in sports we call an unforced error.

Anonymous No. 16409916

I don't think I have properly relaxed once since starting my PhD 2 and a half years ago

Anonymous No. 16409920

>>16393107
I already did a semester abroad at a Chinese C9 school that is ranked 4th on the Nature index in my field and I am from a crappy state school. Seriously, it's so easy to get into Chinese universities as a (Western) foreign that only accept 0.1% of students in each province.

Anonymous No. 16409923

New national budget is in. Government cut virtually all funding to my field and just lets current projects expire in 2028.

Hold me /sci/.

Anonymous No. 16410173

>>16409920
How do I go to china school?

Anonymous No. 16410293

>>16410173
There are several ways and many of them are extremely easy.

-If you do beginner's 1-2 courses at a Confucius Institute which can also done online and/or pass the lowest Chinese language proficiency test you already qualify for a scholarship for up to a year that is paying for your living expenses and tuition at a Chinese language school. This can also be done at the foreign language faculty of Chinese university, including prestigious ones.

-Your university might already have bilateral exchange agreements with several Chinese universities, even those that surpass yours in reputation and ranking already.

-Many Chinese universities have summer programs for up to a month that will have no tuition and give you a dorm room for free.

-There are other research internship opportunities with scholarships and tuition waivers all over the place

Anonymous No. 16411292

>>16409916
>I don't think I have properly relaxed once since starting my PhD 2 and a half years ago
That is to be expected. And when you hand in your thesis it will feel like you are in free fall.

Anonymous No. 16411346

>>16393101
>be china and russia
>have 9 billion high iq engineers
>still an absolute shithole
What causes this?

Anonymous No. 16411382

>>16411346
>gay nigger gets triggered over a meme

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Anonymous No. 16411417

Why do we have to be rigorous and autistic? Why can't we be pragmatic and have sex?

Anonymous No. 16411436

>>16411417
You're just supposed to do research to discover the next thing and then use the clout to get another grant to discover the next thing. The money won't cover more than 1 month of rent so you end up on the street if you get fired without a severance.

Anonymous No. 16411455

Tell me a calculus book I can learn from so I can get my BS in EE. I don't care about being rigorous or learning set theory, but I also don't want something written for teachers or total midwits.

Anonymous No. 16411858

>day 280 of unemployment
Getting a math PhD was a huge mistake

Anonymous No. 16411900

>>16400528
Indeed, burgerland will eat itself alive

Anonymous No. 16411907

>>16399208
>I'm a highly sensitive indigo child that needs a leg up in life.
Literally me. I'm too heckin sensitive to do a real job please don't make me!!!

Anonymous No. 16411914

>>16411455
see: >>16411417
its 2 posts up dawg
also: Elementary Anaylsis, Ross

Anonymous No. 16411919

>>16411417
I had sex with women, even relationships. It was gay.

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Anonymous No. 16411920

Military Engineering or Aerospace Engeering bros? I am getting paid for either. I am quite autistic in my passion for building fortifications, hence ME. AE seems to be in comeuppance, with drones and what not. Wat do? :|

Anonymous No. 16411955

>>16411292
Wonderful, can't wait. I love an emotional rollercoaster, and since I'm very psychically stable I'm sure I'll handle it with grace.

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Anonymous No. 16411962

>tfw you got the phd

Anonymous No. 16411990

For Post-docs and recent Phd's, I am about to embark on a phd myself in Deep learning applied to physics, in a euro country so the pay is decent.
What are some pitfalls you wish you knew about before starting, and will I be able to do it by putting in work every day consistently or (weekends too, I am passionate about my subject) or will I inevitably run into a brick wall and burnout.

Anonymous No. 16412011

>>16394024
>We aren't Europe
Who the fuck are "we"? Where the fuck do you think you are right now?

Anonymous No. 16412020

how old are you supposed to be when you finish your PhD?
How old are successful people when they finish their PhD?
How old are people on average when they finish their PhD?

Anonymous No. 16412042

>>16412020
Varies meaningfully by country. In the UK people normally start uni at 18, do an integrated masters in 4 years before a PhD, and a PhD is meant to take 3 years. So you would be done by 25 assuming you followed the normal process.

Where I'm from people start uni at 20 normally, masters is 5 years and PhD normally takes 4 years. So then you're 29 by graduation.

In the US I have less idea but while people enter PhD programs with a bachelor's their PhDs take longer as well. It seems the stated expectation is 4-5 years, assuming you start uni at 18 and do a three year undergrad that's graduation at 25 again.

It's quite common to overrun the stated PhD duration by a year or so.

I've seen successful researchers graduating with a PhD at just under 30 and unsuccessful researchers graduating at 25 or even younger from the same institution so that isn't really a great predictor.

However given that postdocs are basically mandatory to make it in academia, continuing the poverty and life uncertainty at 30 hits very different from doing so at 25. I finished my thesis at 28 and it I felt like it was too late to continue in academia long term. Not in terms of opportunities but in terms of the cost to my own life. Turns out I'll live as an incel without family or friends anyway so I might as well have kept at it.

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Anonymous No. 16412118

What is a good area for future-proof research in computer engineering? AI acceleration is pretty much dead because anything you come up with, NVIDIA and AMD have been on it for at least 3 years already, and your job is bound to be never implemented, i.e., worthless.

Im thinking robotics is the next step towards automation of our society, how do you feel about adaptive hardware acceleration based on the robots morphology? Is this a good, future proof area I can specialize in and make big bucks once robotics take over as thew tech hype cycle and companies become desperate for researchers like picrel?

Anonymous No. 16412123

>>16412118
There are more wars coming so anything cybersecurity, control systems, sensors and embedded systems is a golden bet.

Anonymous No. 16412127

>>16412042
I'm going back for a PhD at 30, how screwed am I?

Anonymous No. 16412530

>>16411455
How is calculus the thing stopping you from getting a BS in EE?
You'd be done with calculus by the 3rd semester of study.

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Anonymous No. 16412714

>>16412530
Going back to school. Haven't started yet.
Anyway I went with this one because infinitesimals are based.
I also I posted that question in the wrong thread. I meant to ask in /sqt/.

Anonymous No. 16412718

>>16411914
Spivak doesn't seem like it's for someone who wants to go into engineering. Much more fitting for autists doing a math degree. Non-autists would read Apostol.

Anonymous No. 16412727

>>16412714
Here's what you should do -
Go to your college's website and look up the course description for your calculus class.
Even better if they make syllabi publicly accessible. If they don't, you can usually just email the professor and ask for a copy.
Use the syllabus to tell what you should focus on.
Blindly trying to study an entire textbook will burn you out and the class won't cover the entire thing anyways.

Anonymous No. 16412743

>>16412727
Well I'm not 18, rather nearly 27. And it isn't about just passing, it's about being passionate and actually trying, which is something the bottom 85% don't do.
Exceptional people aren't the ones who look up the book on the syllabus.

Anonymous No. 16412809

>>16412743
Your age is not relevant to what I said. I see you are extremely delusional though, good luck with your future endeavors.

Anonymous No. 16412822

>>16393101
If I'm a human chimera, what (dis)advantages do I have? Do I have 2 sets of dna?

Anonymous No. 16412830

>>16412743
He's right, a whole textbook is usually much more than a course. If you really want do it for a hobby - I doubt it - you can of course work through the whole book. Be wary, that it won't help you much in the course though.

Anonymous No. 16412834

>>16412822
I'm doing fag. I'll be with you soon. Just wait a sec. I'm preparing layers of 'cures', such as you receive a phone with a list of apps if you goto hell and if you use this one app you are directed to definite freedom. But it's not this .... Actual cures. But you see what I mean. I'm busy dealing with the problem.

Anonymous No. 16412847

>>16412834
Sounds like good weed
>>16412822
Does a human chimera have two sets of dna or more?

Anonymous No. 16413589

>>16412042
>and a PhD is meant to take 3 years
Not any more, 4 years is the standard now. The only way you'll take 3 years is if you have the world's stingiest funding body. Mine gave me 3.5 years of funding, but I have an extra 6 months for writing/submission at the end, so 4 years total. In my PhD I've only met a single person who had 3 years, and he was stressed out of his mind.

Anonymous No. 16413602

>>16408577
Tell me more about being a patent attorney. Especially if you're from Norway.

Anonymous No. 16414017

>>16413602
You have to be white and good looking. It's. extremely white, and a white-collar field. You're expected to be socially well adjusted, charismatic, not a nerd, and well dressed.

Anonymous No. 16414073

This is the final straw, I'm going to karate chop my supervisors head off.

Anonymous No. 16414156

>>16413589
All right. When I was doing a PhD, 3 years was standard on paper, but in practice this was almost never met and 4 years was the de facto expectation. I did know a few people who actually got out in 3 years, but they were determined to do so from the start.

Anonymous No. 16414183

>>16414156
>>16413589


It depends on the fields too. I have friends who did PhDs in economics, linguistics and chemistry who all finished inside three years.
In physics, it's four or more. Usually 4. I do know one guy who finished and did his viva inside 3.5 years but he was a theorist, got five first-author papers in those years and was a psycho.

Anonymous No. 16414306

>>16409923
What government?

Anonymous No. 16414466

>met an engineer with aphantasia today
never thought I'd see such an odd career choice desu

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Anonymous No. 16414555

>>16414183
>I do know one guy who finished and did his viva inside 3.5 years but he was a theorist, got five first-author papers in those years and was a psycho.

Anonymous No. 16414558

>>16414073
What happened anon?

Anonymous No. 16414567

>>16414017
Then it's not for me. I'm white at least though.

Anonymous No. 16414652

>>16414558
He betrayed the trust of a most beautiful and stunning indigo child with a troubled childhood and adolescence and young adulthood. And that's unforgivable.

Anonymous No. 16414699

>>16414017
Are you a Norwegian patent attorney??
>You're expected to be socially well adjusted, charismatic, not a nerd, and well dressed.
Dress code is normally relaxed (depending on country), I rarely use suit and tie. Charismatic?? Never heard that requriement before, and it would have been a problem for me. I make drying paint seem exciting. Being a nerd is not a problem, can be a good thing when you get into the deeper details with the inventors. And inventors will know pretty quickly if you don't know what they are talking about.

And well adjusted, now that is a tricky one. There are quite a few on the spectrum in this line of work, and this is a profession where it works.

>>16413602
The first few years there is a lot of training. The material will seem rather dry at first but it will make sense. There are reasons for every little thing.
In Western Europe you will be expected to study for the EQE, a rather tough exam that on passing grants you the title European patent attorney. There are about 13000 EPAs and the demand is huge and job security is solid. This also means once you pass you will get job offers and salary should be in the upper ranges of comfy.
When you are made partner, you will be expected to build your own network of clients.

Anonymous No. 16414742

>>16414699
How can there be "huge demand" for European patent attorneys? What the fuck do you even invent? New strains of cheese?

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Anonymous No. 16414847

>>16393101
I cannot convince myself at all to give a single fuck about my education. I have a midterm tomorrow and I have not studied at all. I am going to fail. I guess someone has to flip the burgers right?

Anonymous No. 16415030

>>16414847
You sure you aren't just burnt out? Maybe your degree isn't for you or college altogether.

Anonymous No. 16415264

I have a bachelors in civil engineering and a minor in math. Can I get a masters in mechanical engineering and be successful in that field or am I doomed? I am worried that a masters is going to be too specific and I wont have a good foundation. I need to get out of civil (water resources), I hate it.

Anonymous No. 16415330

>>16414742
>How can there be "huge demand" for European patent attorneys?
Patent law firms need more people, and large companies have their own in-house patenting groups that also need European patent attorneys. The salary level would not be anything near what it is without a huge demand.
>What the fuck do you even invent?
Patent attorneys do not invent but we work with inventors to file and prosecute patent applications for their invention.
>New strains of cheese?
Go to this page and hit enter to see a list of some applications
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/search.jsf
And you can get a patent protection on isolated gene sequences and related organisms. I don't work in biotech but it seems bacterial cultures for making cheese can be protected. The details depend very much on national legislation.

Anonymous No. 16415357

>>16415264
Do you have a specific career goal in mind or are you looking to get out of water resources in general? It's better to be in the former than the latter.

Anonymous No. 16415365

>>16403883
> I'm not keeping up with the classes and research
There's no way anyone can. My classes only meets once a week and covers one chapter for each class. I'd imagine yours is very similar.

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Anonymous No. 16415450

>>16415030
>You sure you aren't just burnt out?
I could be but I never really put in much effort to start with.
>Maybe your degree isn't for you or college altogether.
Most likely this but I'm graduating in a year and I cannot even find the energy to attend my classes. I'm doing EE and I hate it so much.

Anonymous No. 16415482

I am relentlessly punished by a cruel and uncaring universe, and all I did was have the nerve to dream.

Anonymous No. 16415484

How can I use the healing power of crystals to overcome my limitless resentment.

Anonymous No. 16415493

Where's my Nobel prize for having the bravery to get up every morning despite UNCEASING psychic attacks? Where's my moment of comfort?

Anonymous No. 16415496

>>16415493
They are doing things to my mind and soul that have never been done before.

Anonymous No. 16415502

I am struggling with my mental health, have always struggled, and science/academia has not helped

Anonymous No. 16415597

>>16414742
what he leaves out is that there is a huge demand for european patent attorneys but there is absolutely no demand for trainee patent attorneys which means getting in is impossible unless you're from Cambridge or something

Anonymous No. 16415604

>>16415597
Bingo. Its a cartel, only for the "right kind" of person.

Anonymous No. 16415634

>>16415597
>there is a huge demand for european patent attorneys
True
>but there is absolutely no demand for trainee patent attorneys
Wrong. It is a bit less, but the reason is that certain companies leave all the expenses of training to others. We have lost a few and have no choice but to hire new people to train.
>which means getting in is impossible unless you're from Cambridge or something
I guess I did graduated from the University of Something then, it was neither Oxbridge nor Russel group. I still get the job.

>>16415604
>Its a cartel,
Oh? They forgot to tell me.
>only for the "right kind" of person.
And what is this right kind of person like?

Anonymous No. 16415656

>>16415634
Do you even live in the UK? Do you get it?

You aren't getting anywhere on nonce island if you aren't CLUBBABLE.

Anonymous No. 16415676

>>16396115
>which is largely driven by feminist white women mating with negroids out of spite
he said without a shred of evidence to support his claim
changcels are pathetic

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Anonymous No. 16415688

>apply to old job
>rejected by the HR stacy
I should've reached out to someone I know. Considering the guy I know is director of engineering...fug. Hadn't worked there in 8 years but I wanted a career change back to that shit now.

Anonymous No. 16415831

>>16415330
>Patent attorneys do not invent but we work with inventors to file and prosecute patent applications for their invention.
You are an extremely dumb person. This was an aggressively stupid response. If you're an attorney then the standards are shockingly low.

Anonymous No. 16415913

>>16415634
>We have lost a few and have no choice but to hire new people to train.
where?
Do they take just about anyone?
recommend a place that takes literally anyone.

Anonymous No. 16415962

>>16415656
>Do you even live in the UK?
I used to, yes, but no longer.
>Do you get it?
I am quite aware of the Oxbridge issue. And I know that there are a few law firms where "diversity" means they hire from BOTH Oxford and Cambridge.

>>16415913
>where?
Scandinavia. It is a small world, so I cannot be too precise.
>Do they take just about anyone?
There are a few minimum requirements such as a minimum of a Master's degree (PhD is appreciated). Personality is important, you have to be thorough and you have to be willing to stay the course to get that EQE. If you have a PhD you know what a long journey like this can be.
>recommend a place that takes literally anyone.
Any patent law firm on these lists can be recommended (see the tables for "Patent Prosecution"):
https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Denmark/Rankings/8391#rankings
https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Finland/Rankings/8406#rankings
https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Norway/Rankings/8489#rankings
https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Sweden/Rankings/8534#rankings

Anonymous No. 16415994

How do I become a patent atterny? I have a math PhD. Should I do a ll.m at the University of London? Will they stop ghosting my applications then?

Anonymous No. 16415998

>>16415962
>PhD is appreciated
PhD is mandatory.

>https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Denmark/Rankings/8391#rankings
>https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Finland/Rankings/8406#rankings
>https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Norway/Rankings/8489#rankings
>https://www.ipstars.com/Jurisdiction/Sweden/Rankings/8534#rankings
These firms don't take anybody, I already tried.

I have never been unemployed and I made 85k euros per year right out of uni. And I cannot get in these days. If I can't do it, then nobody can do it.

Anonymous No. 16416031

>>16415994
I applied to 30 positions in Germany because people say Germany is the hub of patents and got polite manually written rejection emails from Germans.

Anonymous No. 16416108

>>16414306
Germany

Anonymous No. 16416111

>>16415264
I mean getting a Master's in mechanical and that pivoting to mining and construction machines doesn't sound like a bad idea, no?

Anonymous No. 16416176

>>16415450
I'm not an engineering major so I might have no idea what I'm talking about but I do not get why the undergraduate engineering curriculum forces so much material. Something tells me there's some serious gatekeeping going on.

Anonymous No. 16416242

>>16415357
I like finite element analysis. I took a solidworks class in school and I enjoyed that too.

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Anonymous No. 16416271

>Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering
>Underqualified for entry level electrical engineering jobs
>Overqualified for entry level electrical designer jobs

Anonymous No. 16416335

>>16415994
>How do I become a patent atterny?
The FAQ has links.
http://web.archive.org/web/20180804014931/https://www.cipa.org.uk/_resources/assets/attachment/full/0/15665.pdf

>>16415998
>PhD is mandatory.
No. I have a PhD but most of my colleagues here have a Master's degree.

Anonymous No. 16416670

>>16409923
What's your plan?

Anonymous No. 16416679

>>16416176
>gatekeeping
you need to be competent

Anonymous No. 16416977

>>16416271
>Master of Science in Mechanical Engineering + 2 years exp
>Overqualified for graduate level Mechanical engineering jobs
>Underqualified for non-junior level Mechanical engineering jobs
>Somehow I keep getting contacted for technical roles or roles outside my degree like finance or tech consultant
Explain this /sci/

Anonymous No. 16417072

>>16395800
memorize slides, ask chatgpt for clarification of concepts, and homework. you are lucky human you have o1, claude 3.5 sonnet etc..., if you still feel like reading the chapter for understanding click control f and go to exact section you don't have time to read whole chapter

Anonymous No. 16417265

>>16416977
>Mechanical Engineering
Where? In Europe the jo market varies a lot. Normally good in Germany but pretty bad in the UK.

Anonymous No. 16417353

>>16416108
You are not alone. France is in a bad way according to people I know personally, and the Norwegian national budget has gone even further in slaying the research and development budgets. They are turning ignorance into an art, and appreciate that ignorance is quickly achieved.
Much of the West is in a plunge, in the style of the very late Roman Empire.

Anonymous No. 16417392

>>16417353
>France
They've been underfunding research and cutting back since the 90s.
Only announced further cuts this year.
My lab is falling apart, maintenance and replacing unserviceable equipment is unheard of. The higher ups tell us to run fewer experiments, just don't do research in order to save money.
There are places in Europe where conditions are better but in truth they're just decaying slower.

Anonymous No. 16417728

>>16417392
>>16417353
>america is america
>europe shooting themselves in the feet so often that they're walking on stumps
>australia owned lock stock and barrel by the CCP
westernworldbros....

Anonymous No. 16418176

>>16417728
Is Japan our last, best hope?

Anonymous No. 16418183

>>16416977
>Somehow I keep getting contacted for technical roles or roles outside my degree like finance or tech consultant
This might be the explanation:
>KPMG US chief calls for urgent reform to halt slide in accounting ranks
https://www.ft.com/content/3f1db452-afaa-465e-beb0-666045f8e73e
>“We have a brewing crisis right now, with the number of students going to college and the number going into accounting, and we need to absolutely address it in the very near term,” he said in an interview with the Financial Times.
>“I can’t over-emphasise, it’s not just the Big Four. We need more accountants in corporations and outside of the Big Four. The industry that we are in is systemically important to the functioning of the capital markets.”
>The accounting profession is in the midst of a sometimes fractious debate about how to lure youngsters who have increasingly sought careers elsewhere, in industries such as financial services or technology that have looser educational requirements and have raised starting salaries more in recent years.

Anonymous No. 16418242

>>16416977
>>Overqualified for graduate level Mechanical engineering jobs
>>Underqualified for non-junior level Mechanical engineering jobs
are you me?
nah you arent, i got the fucking weirdest cv ever, engineers love it but hr dont so i am fucked

Anonymous No. 16418360

>>16418242
How "weird" are we talking? It's not uncommon for Mech Eng to come with different auxiliary skills. Not all roles are relegated being a CAD monkey.
>>16418183
What's happening to accounting in the states? It's almost like America's job market is fucked sideways.

Anonymous No. 16418830

>>16418360
>What's happening to accounting in the states? It's almost like America's job market is fucked sideways.
I read that only in 0.39 percent of all cases is company fraud uncovered by auditors. That makes them worse than useless, and what they find is probably sheer luck or a major misstep on the fraudsters. Yet you pay through your nose for auditing.
One of these days, Trump will announce a crackdown on this protected profession. They deserve it all. I have a background in quality auditing but not financial auditing, and once I audited our auditor. I found hardly any work was done beyond sending out a juicy bill and that major mistakes that they should have found had been going on for years. The fallout was a bit of a damp squib. A few years later a new CEO arrived and defrauded the company to the point of collapse. Again the auditors found nothing until the company was closed down.

Anonymous No. 16418869

>>16418360
>How "weird" are we talking?
very, weird enough that if i say what is werid about it i would basically ddos myself
btw, i was latelly working to fix my own properties on the rural as i got them for very cheap very close to the family, the kinda oportunity you cannot just let it pass, but were in a bad shape and needed some urgent reform.
do i put that as a work experience on linkedin or as break, how should i do it?

Anonymous No. 16418895

>>16418176
Japan is where research careers go to die

Anonymous No. 16418900

>>16418895
Please do go on...

t.Former postdoc in Japanm

Anonymous No. 16418913

>>16416176
If anything, there isn't nearly enough gatekeeping.

Anonymous No. 16419095

I'm being humiliated. I'm being fucking humiliated. They'll pay for this.

Anonymous No. 16419110

>>16405239
Your supervisor is right.
If you're reading this Tokyo-bro you wanna hang out and eat whale some time?

Anonymous No. 16419140

>>16419110
Disgusting. You are revolting.

Anonymous No. 16419185

>>16419140
Suit yourself, more delicious whale meat for me.

Anonymous No. 16419194

>>16419110
>Tokyo-bro
Who?
>you wanna hang out and eat whale some time?
I do that occasionally. Intelligent food for intelligent people, you know.

Anonymous No. 16419240

>>16419185
>>16419194
It's not even that fucking good you miserable cur.

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Anonymous No. 16419414

We are on the edge of the abyss, tiem for a new thread. This was a bit slower than normal, lasted 18 days.

Anonymous No. 16419423

IEE evaluated my math PhD in algebra as US equivalent to a PhD in Applied Math. Would it be dishonest to list it as a degree in Applied Math on my CV?

Anonymous No. 16419670

>>16419414
This general died when I stopped telling my "I just shit my pants in the office" stories.

Anonymous No. 16419695

>>16419670
I cannot even remember those.