🧵 /scg/ - STEM career general
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:18:43 UTC No. 16597487
"You can only learn so much" edition
This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM.
>Discussion on academia-based career progression
>Discussion on penetrating industry from academia
>Or anything in relation to STEM employment or development within STEM academia!
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Anonymous at Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:23:23 UTC No. 16597495
>>16597487
The organic chemistry labs I did my rotations in are no longer accepting more students because their NIH funding got frozen or the professors think funding will be harder to come by in the future. Should I transfer chemistry sub-disciplines? I don't know what else I can do.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:25:32 UTC No. 16597499
Previous thread: >>16571632
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:48:20 UTC No. 16597522
>>16597495
The politics of the moment will pass. Organic chemistry lab will still be there.
Do what you are good at doing.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Feb 2025 20:17:02 UTC No. 16597574
So it's over for basic science right? I knew I was smart for doing my PhD with a strong industry overlap, but I didn't expect it to be quite the shot in the head to science as we got.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Feb 2025 23:26:38 UTC No. 16597734
>>16597522
Here's the thing: I can't. All of the labs I did my rotations in do not have a spot for me. I can try for another rotation, but the classes I am taking are starting to get difficult and I am barely catching up with the material as it is. I can switch sub-disciplines, but I might have start over.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 00:21:31 UTC No. 16597788
Am I going to be well off with a master's in ChemE with a specialization in explosive materials? I'm on track to finishing my bachelor's in two years and I'm planning to do my master's right after that.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 13:48:43 UTC No. 16598280
By the time I graduate, it would've taken me around 6 years to do so. I'm a math student.
How common is this and how will it impact my chances at a good masters program?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:41:45 UTC No. 16598310
>>16597495
Could you find something in organic electrochemistry as a pivot to electrochemistry (organic or polymer batteries, polymer electrolytes (for batteries and fuel cells), organic/polymer electronics)? This would allow you to stay somewhat in the orgchem field while allowing you to jump to electrochemistry field.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:43:56 UTC No. 16598314
>>16597788
Only if Trump isn't serious about the whole 50% defense cut thing he brain-farted out the other day.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 16:07:38 UTC No. 16598371
>>16598280
Nobody cares. Schools are desperate for suckers to waste money and time on math degrees.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 16:19:49 UTC No. 16598376
>>16598280
In the US grad school is either a recruiting station for cheap labor in academia or an immigration scheme for foreigners.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:20:59 UTC No. 16598632
>>16598314
>america is facing a mounting threat and we must protect it
>we will immediately cripple our institutions in a way that intentionally maximizes the hostility of those affected to the government they were formerly serving
>we will immediately turn our closest allies who could not afford to let us fall out of world leader status into enemies who would love to see us fail
>we will slash the pentagon every year until it becomes a trigon
>we will let any and all autocrats who might be watching know that we will cave in to their demands before they make them and will not act to protect our interests beyond our borders
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:43:58 UTC No. 16598662
>>16598310
There is actually three labs involved in organic electrochemistry but to varying degrees. Do you think organic electrochemistry is an emerging field? I am going on LinkedIn and Glassdoor and I don't see anything related to electrochemistry.
On a side note, the job market is really bad for chemists. I saw an job posting on LinkedIn that opened only four days ago and there was already ~100 applicants. Brutal stuff.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:46:40 UTC No. 16598668
>get job to teach
>every student below the age of 25 is wildly fragile and cannot handle criticism of their ideas or competence
good lord this is sad
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:48:47 UTC No. 16598670
>>16597574
>So it's over for basic science right?
It's been over for the physical and life sciences since the 90s. Tech died sometime around 2 to 3 years ago, only medicine is still going strong.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:49:21 UTC No. 16598672
>>16598670
tech didn't "die". A bubble popped. Happens all the time, tech is fine.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:50:47 UTC No. 16598676
>>16598668
What are you teaching that you are questioning the students and not the other way around?
>>16598672
Is medicine a bubble too?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:53:47 UTC No. 16598678
i got a undergrad philosophy degree at 31 can i get a science degree i was thinking engineering but im a philosopher artist (more so in name than practice as i am lazy and 108 IQ) so i was thinking astronomy cause that sounds like wizards or physics because its the closest to philosophy so i was thinking well im too old so i need somthing that pays so like engineering->physics/astronomy masters... but this will be i will be a college loser 30 year old for god knows how long so maybe i should just start grifting
the reason i dont wanna go all out on philosophy its cause it doesnt pay and its largely a bullshit field even though its cool
these are just some thoughts they linger in the back of my mind every day like dang i shouldve studied astronomy or some shit
keep in mind i dont like these fields like even those youtube videos on the coolest parts of these subjects bore me, i dont like technology for the most part since i think its soulless
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:54:55 UTC No. 16598679
>>16598678
you sound like a more abstract version of an alt girl xD
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:55:24 UTC No. 16598682
>>16598670
>>16598676
The demand for medical care will only increase as western populations age, but I don't see how AI is not going to replace most doctor visits in the medium term.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 21:02:13 UTC No. 16598689
>>16598678
I don't think there is an astronomy degree, but rather astrophysics. But that does not pay either. Go for engineering and if you prefer to keep it space-related aeronautical engineering, but it's pretty intense stuff so if your IQ is 108 as you say it is, maybe try something easier like chemical engineering or even industrial or civil engineering.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Feb 2025 02:37:04 UTC No. 16598912
Are racial quotas for certain fields going to happen?
Your race should matter when you apply for a job
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 25 Feb 2025 06:02:12 UTC No. 16599006
>>16598678
Both physics and astronomy are terrible degrees for jobs. Engineering is better but not exactly a safe bet.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Feb 2025 06:41:18 UTC No. 16599032
>>16598678
108IQ is like the upper end of the Humanities, but in STEM, it's just about average for a civil engineer or an industrial engineer, and slightly under average for mechanical engineers and just about everyone else. I'm not saying you can't make it in STEM as a 30-year-old with an IQ of 108, but you should:
1) keep your expectations EXTREMELY realistic (i.e. don't shoot for anything too glamorous or hard)
2) expect you'll have to work like a fucking mule every single day for the rest of your life
I also tried switching from Humanities to STEM relatively late, and it ain't easy. I went from being the star in every single Philosophy/History class I ever took to being slightly under average but very enthusiastic in every single math/physics/engineering design course I took. I honestly wouldn't have gotten through it without the magic of Adderall.
Good luck, because you'll REALLY need it. Also, remember to pray to God, be mindful of your duty, and be grateful for what the Lord blesses you with.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:33:32 UTC No. 16599383
>>16599006
>physics bad
simply not true
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:12:53 UTC No. 16599419
>>16599383
It's not bad, just difficult to get a job outside academia
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:20:25 UTC No. 16599426
>>16598678
I hope this is bait.
>>16599006
Depends on the specific field. There are openings for mechanical engineers in a lot of industries.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 00:53:45 UTC No. 16599728
>>16599383
I regret getting a BS in physics
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 02:29:47 UTC No. 16599791
>>16597487
>penetrating industry from academia
This. How?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 02:53:27 UTC No. 16599801
>>16599791
Find a job you're interested in and don't sperg out during the interviews. Be able to explain how your experience is beneficial to the company.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 03:17:11 UTC No. 16599812
>>16599801
What, like look at job postings on a job-posting website? I thought you need to know someone on the inside
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 13:27:30 UTC No. 16600083
I'm thinking we should let this general die. This is really really bad.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 14:21:12 UTC No. 16600126
>>16599812
It helps, but isn't required. I participate in a lot of the interviews for engineers at my company and it's not common to know someone here anymore.
>>16600083
This one is in a bad state.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 15:38:33 UTC No. 16600186
>>16600083
Care to be more specific?
This is the only general that is brutally honest about the dog eat dog jobmarket out there. All other sites are too worried about being sued to tell even half the truth.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 19:41:54 UTC No. 16600342
>>16600083
If you want people kissing your butt and give useless and over confident scam advice you are free to fuck off to linkedin anytime.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Feb 2025 22:02:17 UTC No. 16600447
>>16599728
Why? My man, just continue with a PhD and you are golden.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 00:46:32 UTC No. 16600658
>>16600447
I didn't want to. I ultimately changed my mind, but still I wish I'd majored in nuclear engineering or something and just gotten a real job.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 03:21:02 UTC No. 16600747
>>16600126
>It helps, but isn't required.
Well I mean, for someone coming from a not specifically engineering part of stem, it’s unclear what sort of jobs to even apply for and what the companies even are other than megacorps like Microsoft or a bank
>>16600447
Not even sure anymore if this serious or sarcasm?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 05:57:37 UTC No. 16600826
How realistic is it for me to try to get into a decent institution's Neuroscience PhD program when I didn't spend my time as efficiently as I could have in regards to undergraduate research experience? I believe I've partially made up for that with 2 years of volunteer research experience, but the past 2 years of applying to graduate programs have seen me either rejected immediately or end up not being a good fit for any of the available faculty. Or is it just that my academics are fucked regardless of how much motivation I now have?
I have a BS in psychology with a 3.2 overall GPA and a 3.46 GPA within the major.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 08:10:19 UTC No. 16600849
>>16600826
With the Trump cuts? Near impossible. The situation is way worse now
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:01:22 UTC No. 16600932
Are there any biology cucks in here? What is the best field to study in grad school, specifically for a master's?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:12:17 UTC No. 16600978
>>16597487
Should I sell out and go to the States? The wages there are so much higher than here in Europe...
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:34:54 UTC No. 16600992
>>16600747
Look on indeed. If you get desperate, go on LinkedIn and the recruiters will start harassing you.
>>16600978
It's probably more expensive here, so the wages balance out to be the same, but more freedoms.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:39:01 UTC No. 16600998
>>16600992
Average cost of living is more or less the same, but the states I could go to would definitely be cheaper. + less taxes
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 17:08:02 UTC No. 16601145
>>16601140
>60k debt
Sorry, but most of Europe isn't like this.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 17:23:19 UTC No. 16601163
>>16601145
it is because of rent
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 18:25:59 UTC No. 16601224
>>16601140
Being British is like having a permanent handicap. Leave, it's the only thing I've ever done that has improved my quality of life. My degree in mathematics from a top 5 certainly didn't help...
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Feb 2025 22:08:44 UTC No. 16601394
>>16601140
I thought Europeans generally had free education if you scored highly enough, though? Or is this a specific UK issue
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Feb 2025 02:25:50 UTC No. 16601594
>>16597487
is it even worth going into Bio (synth bio specifically)
Currently (and going to further be) regulated into the dirt.
Pay is (generally) bad, at least for research.
I was denied multiple internship opportunities because I was white and a guy.
Only a year of Uni, $20,000 in debt, $60k if I stick through the bachelors, no clue on what grad school would put that at.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Feb 2025 04:19:24 UTC No. 16601662
Should I pay 800 bucks for a 2-day course on Electrochemical Impedance Spectroscopy that will give me a cert.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Feb 2025 22:28:35 UTC No. 16602254
>>16601394
Most of the EU has free or nominal cost education to natives. The UK decided to charge £9k per year tuition fees over a decade ago. This may not sound like much coming from the US, but UK wages and stipends are poverty tier so most people will never pay it off.
They then left the EU so britbongs studying abroad have to pay international fees. The UK's own universities first spent newfound money like there was no tomorrow, and by now are more broke than they were at the beginning and several are facing shutdown. They tried to attract international students because they pay much more than £9k and are thus more profitable, but that well is running dry. Because who would want to pay £100k for a degree in a country where the graduate starting salaries are £30k. Simply put, if you have money and options there isn't much reason to choose the UK.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Feb 2025 22:32:33 UTC No. 16602256
>>16601662
I don't really see why you would unless there's some very specific circumstance requiring you demonstrate any capability for exactly that thing within the next week or something.
You will almost certainly find the same information and more online, and for proper experience with spectroscopy you have to get your hand dirty with collecting, debugging, analyzing and interpreting data for real projects.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Mar 2025 15:25:19 UTC No. 16602766
>>16597487
Is it worth self funding a maths PhD (uk) with the end goal of working in industry? I am both lucky enough to be from a financially stable family, have investments that have been quite successful and have deliberately stayed at home for university instead of living away from home as to save money.
I do not want to stay in academia long term, it's just that a PhD seems to be a good opportunity to do a project that I actually hopefully enjoy (as opposed to a lot of what I would do in the work place) and actually have something to show for it as opposed to going to an interview in 4 years and saying "well, I did my own research for fun but am now ready to settle down and work"?
Unless my understanding of the system is flawed, it's also far easier for me to have more control over my project if I am self funding as opposed to getting funding, particularly from the corporate world.
My wider point being that (it seems) the costs/drawbacks of self funding do not seem to be as applicable to me. Due to a combination of luck and responsible planning ahead, the costs seem to be much more along the lines of opportunity cost than direct. The argument that universities tend to care about students being able to bring funding in, and so try not to hire self funded PhDs is very reasonable but I do not think I want to stay in academia long term.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:07:26 UTC No. 16603178
I’m a 2nd year Physics student in the US at a T50 school. Recently joined an experimental AMO research group and was assigned the solo task of building a Rb MOT. There’s no plan for a paper to come out of it, and I’m most likely going to finish it by May.
What should I be working on/doing over the next year in order to become a strong PhD applicant? My goal is to go to a T5 grad school for AMO experiment (ultracold atoms, clocks, etc). Via my PI I have connections to major labs/advisors @ MIT, Harvard and Stanford
And also, would it be worthwhile to do my own independent research with the MOT, or is it wiser to do research with the grad students? I would like to have at least one paper in the next 1-2 year(s).
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Mar 2025 00:40:11 UTC No. 16603301
>>16600826
Adding on to this, if I manage to get a Masters degree in neuroscience would that improve my chances by a meaningful degree?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Mar 2025 09:28:40 UTC No. 16603725
>>16602766
In the maths industry? What are you blabbering about you moron?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Mar 2025 13:38:04 UTC No. 16603901
>>16603301
>>16602766
1.) What is your current GPA, and what are you currently studying?
2.) Do you have research experience?
3.) Self-funding is retarded, don’t do it. If you had the agency to be a good self-funded student, you wouldn’t be outsourcing major life decisions to anons on /sci/.
4.) A masters degree will not improve your chances unless you use it as an opportunity to conduct research
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Mar 2025 19:18:16 UTC No. 16604281
>>16603178
Make friends with the people who will write your letters.
I've seen people with no papers and less than a year of research experience in great schools. I don't know exactly what they did that made them attractive, but it definitely wasn't fucking research. So it must've been letters or their statement of purpose.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:21:52 UTC No. 16604401
>>16601394
it went from basically free to a 'small tuition' under the guise of taxes iirc, then they just spammed the tuition higher and higher
and rent is a cancer due to rich Asians and foreigners buying up the housing and renting it out for insane prices to other rice people
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Mar 2025 04:16:03 UTC No. 16604672
Starting new job tomorrow working on ITER (gigantic international project to build a nuclear fusion reactor in the hopes of someday figuring out how to scale it up).
A few months ago I was so hopeless about my future that roping frequently crossed my mind.
If you’re struggling in this job market, don’t give up hope.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Mar 2025 06:40:53 UTC No. 16604738
>>16604672
Title and how hard was it to find the job?
I'm joining a plasma fusion lab next (academic) year as a PhD student. So actually in three years because coursework kind of.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Mar 2025 10:57:11 UTC No. 16604840
Any good counseling service for people with worthless STEM PhDs?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Mar 2025 12:27:36 UTC No. 16604913
>>16604672
im graduating this semester with nothing to show besides the degree and okayish gpa
im going to rope soon
think about it every day
thats why i havent applied to any jobs
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Mar 2025 13:45:35 UTC No. 16604947
>>16601662
Certifications are worth their weight in gold.
Employers think they're worth it. Even employers who don't respect certifications will respect your aptitude for learning if you show them your sheer number of certifications.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Mar 2025 14:40:17 UTC No. 16604985
>>16603901
>A masters degree will not improve your chances unless you use it as an opportunity to conduct research
Does this translate to "if you fail to get a paper published during that time, then it was functionally worthless"? I'm asking because at this point, I'm not sure what else I can do to improve my chances of getting accepted into a PhD program since my impression at least is that I have a fair amount of lab experience at this point.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Mar 2025 16:11:20 UTC No. 16605086
>>16604985
No. Research experience is research experience. But you said you want to do a PhD in Math, so lab experience is not what's needed. You need to do math research i.e sims, pure math, brogramming, or some other bullshit
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 04:57:26 UTC No. 16606660
>take tutoring gig at local college
>kids are surprisingly driven compared to the universities ive studied/worked at
>but the raw level of incompetence and difficulty grasping things like principles of basic algebra as grown adults means the progress and level of improvement is just glacially slow
bruuuutal stuff.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:53:50 UTC No. 16606798
>>16605086
I'm PhD student in the US who did a masters in Europe. You certainly don't need a paper to get into a top program (I had classmates who got into Harvard and Stanford without papers). I also know people with papers who got rejected from those schools. You just need 3 good letters of recommendations from professors, preferably professors who do good research. You should talk to your professors about math and let your natural curiosity shine through.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 11:13:23 UTC No. 16606837
>>16604913
>the degree
What field and what type of degree?
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 11:57:07 UTC No. 16606855
Consultancy jobs were hard to get; now they are becoming very much harder:
>Doge snaps at the ankles of government consultants
https://archive.is/UiE5E
>Consulting firms have long thrived on the inefficiencies of the public sector. In the US, they are called in to help the government perform all kinds of functions, from beefing up cyber security for the Department of Homeland Security to streamlining the websites used by student borrowers. Between 2019 and 2023, Uncle Sam paid $500bn in consultancy fees.
>But the consultancy industry now faces a reckoning. A chainsaw-wielding Elon Musk and his so-called Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) have pledged to cut $1tn out of the federal budget. The slash-and-burn approach has already resulted in thousands of federal lay-offs. Management consulting contracts may be next on the chopping block.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 13:29:52 UTC No. 16606898
I want to do something with my Math MSc. Currently I work at a national lab, but the job is boring as shit, and the project I am working on is fake science.
Ideally I would like to start my own company doing something with numerical analysis, optimization and maybe some deep learning if it fits the job.
I'm just out of ideas. I guess I could take on one of the traditional software vendors and try to compete with them. Pretty much everything that has to do with math in industry seems to require some kind of domain knowledge, like physics or biology or finance.
I also considered creating a sort of amateur trading platform with some advanced tooling. But that is so close to gambling that I am not comfortable with it, on a moral level.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 19:34:17 UTC No. 16607206
Do i take job as cheme grad at a small chem plant or nuclear job with govt contractor (requires govt clearance)? Nuclear one pays for masters
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 19:39:13 UTC No. 16607210
>>16607206
How long will the clearance process take?
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 19:39:28 UTC No. 16607212
How the fuck are people getting jobs
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 19:40:12 UTC No. 16607214
>>16607210
Like 3-6 months im willing to wait since I'm working rn
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 21:41:16 UTC No. 16607329
scg bros, just go into consultancy if all else fails. The smartest chemistry undergrad at my uni joined BCG last year. They’re quite open to people from STEM backgrounds, but you may find the job boring
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 21:52:37 UTC No. 16607340
>>16607329
>They’re quite open to people from STEM backgrounds,
Same with McKinsey. The most important part is taht you have a good degree and stand out from the crowd.
>but you may find the job boring
It can also be very well paid.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Mar 2025 22:24:30 UTC No. 16607373
>>16607340
It's not that well-paid for the kind of work hours they demand.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Mar 2025 00:23:30 UTC No. 16607458
I failed one of my graduate classes last year and I'm pretty sure I will fail the midterm exam this year. These freeform lectures are really kicking my ass. If I get confused on a topic, I cannot fall back on a textbook and the study material is so disorganized. Maybe I just need to learn while on my feet and/or get rid of the habit of studying from textbooks and Youtube videos from undergrad but that is not happening here. I spend almost everyday studying only to end up as a failure. Should I just quit my PhD program or should I wait until they kick me out because of academic failure?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Mar 2025 00:35:32 UTC No. 16607470
>>16597487
I have a degree in physics and math and I would like to get into materials science. Basically, I want to be an independent consult and inventor, patenting any useful tech I come up with. I'm a self-learner, so what is the best way to get good in this field? Recommended textbooks?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Mar 2025 03:10:28 UTC No. 16607613
>>16607470
Go to a graduate program for it and learn how to do lab work. Your self-learning is meaningless.
You will not succeed as an independent consult and inventor without an enormous success already.
You will not receive funding that allows you to retain patents.
Physics is actually quite desirable for the field, and math might be, assuming you are good with statistics and not topics like algebra and analysis.
I say this as someone with the same undergrad degrees myself. Boise State really wanted me to go there, and Brian Jaques seems like a great PI from what his students said and my conversations with him. There are a few other PI's I liked as well, and a few that seemed pretty bad.
You should temper your expectations though; seems like you don't really understand how research works yet.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Mar 2025 03:17:26 UTC No. 16607617
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Mar 2025 18:34:51 UTC No. 16607877
>>16598314
Dude, have you even read about the colossal incompetence that comes to defense spending?
>$300 million dollars to figure out that scopes make guns more accurate
>M247 York
>Railguns
>Zumwalt Destroyers
The list goes on and this is just the stuff you can read about. I was in the military during OIF, the amount of retarded hare brained prototype programs I saw and general waste from contractors was staggering. There were civilians getting paid $250k a year to drive a bus around Arifjan.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Mar 2025 18:36:35 UTC No. 16607879
>>16597788
CSM?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Mar 2025 23:34:37 UTC No. 16608212
Hi /sci/, I'm planning on taking a biostats masters in about a year or so. Could someone spoonfeed me a list of free courses or texts that would make good prerequisites?
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 01:52:32 UTC No. 16608318
>>16607877
Are railguns a colossal failure? I remember 10 years ago they were the big soicence thing all over reddit. Everyone on the internet was an overnight expert on them.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:25:02 UTC No. 16608627
>>16605086
Sorry I didn't make this clear earlier, but there were two people being replied to earlier. I'm the one trying to get into a PhD program for neuroscience, not math.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 09:43:20 UTC No. 16608704
>>16607617
Thank you.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 09:44:21 UTC No. 16608706
>>16607613
Thank you.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 13:49:08 UTC No. 16608840
Job openings at EPO as Examiners, this spring:
https://bit
ly/3OBYWkC
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 15:52:24 UTC No. 16608918
>>16597487
>Discussion on penetrating industry from academia
Looking for pointers on exactly this. I got my PhD a while back and I want out, but have no connections in industry. What do I do, just start cold-emailing companies "I am some nerd, I've only ever done abstract research in my life but let program your computers or something, I am flexible, by the way I'm about to turn 36"? What is the path forward?
>inb4 rope
Sorry, I actually feel pretty good about the world. I just want out of academia
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 15:53:52 UTC No. 16608921
>>16608918
Don't cold call, look for job listings.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:10:54 UTC No. 16608950
>>16608918
Have you brushed up your LinkedIn-profile yet?
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Mar 2025 21:10:37 UTC No. 16609552
>>16607329
I'm not the smartest anything though.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 00:07:15 UTC No. 16610552
>>16608840
Are you ready to apologise for the way you spoke to me about ten threads back you cowardly fuck?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 09:28:53 UTC No. 16611375
>>16610552
What did anon mean by this??
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 10:43:24 UTC No. 16611445
>>16611375
Look in the archive. The EPO coward behaved in an unconscionable way and messed with the wrong guy. I never forget or forgive a grudge. Frankly I'm thinking of becoming an EPO patent attorney, cross referencing my coworkers emails with what I know about this freaks posting style and then administering justice up close and personal.
I won't be stopped.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 11:14:55 UTC No. 16611473
>>16611445
>Look in the archive.
It is huge, this general has been running for years.
>The EPO coward behaved in an unconscionable way and messed with the wrong guy.
EPO guy? Do you mean an Examiner at the EPO?
>I never forget or forgive a grudge. Frankly I'm thinking of becoming an EPO patent attorney,
There is no such thing, either it is EPO Examiner or Europea patent attorney. I am not sure which you mean.
>cross referencing my coworkers emails with what I know about this freaks posting style and then administering justice up close and personal.
I am very confused now.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 11:21:10 UTC No. 16611479
>>16611473
Don't get cute with me sunshine.
There is some pernicious little worm trying to shill EPO jobs (probably paid by them to do so) and he made the worst mistake of his life.
Enough said and fucking end of.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:31:58 UTC No. 16611630
>>16611479
>the EPO is actively trying to recruit users on a white supremacist anime forum
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:58:11 UTC No. 16611659
>>16608918
If your research is in a cool sounding field, certain people in industry will look at you like some kind of god. Also keep in mind the Bill Gates claim: "If you think you're a really good programmer, read 'The Art of Computer Programming.' You should definitely send me a résumé if you can read the whole thing." Don’t take it literally, but the point is these people are not that hard to impress. if you’re high IQ andyou know what buttons to push, and of course if you start preparing for example by reading TAoCP.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:37:39 UTC No. 16611823
test
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 18:12:03 UTC No. 16612025
Why did I get a math PhD?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 18:13:54 UTC No. 16612028
Data Analytics Internship at private automotive supplier of batteries and components for BEV or lab internship at a mid-sized science institute developing novel tandem solar cells.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 21:53:42 UTC No. 16612321
Redpill me about hydraulics and pneumatics.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Mar 2025 23:56:06 UTC No. 16612408
>>16612028
What year are you in? What pays more?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 00:41:32 UTC No. 16612437
>>16612321
Not much to it. Farmers with high school educations cobble together their own hydraulic systems from off the shelf parts from Tractor Supply. Do some basic cookbook calcs and select parts out of a catalog. Same for pneumatics.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 06:14:00 UTC No. 16612666
>>16612408
3rd year, private industry pays significantly more.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 11:27:59 UTC No. 16612803
>>16612437
I wanted to go into energy sector or aviation. I am also considering robotics as viable option.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 12:51:32 UTC No. 16612859
>>16612321
I liked it in college because the lab work was fun and your real world results can match your calculations. Hydraulic systems will run for a long time with minimal maintenance if you keep the fluid clean.
>>16612803
using hydraulics as an analogy helped me understand electrical stuff. That will help you in those fields. Aviation has a lot of hydraulic systems on planes and power generation has a lot of water to transfer heat.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 13:08:57 UTC No. 16612869
Is a masters in physics in Europe (Spain) worth it if I don't plan to get a PhD?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 14:31:08 UTC No. 16612948
>>16612869
Do you have to pay?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 14:33:58 UTC No. 16612950
>>16612948
yes, but very little. I'm more concerned about if this is a waste of my time. Or will I have the same employability as someone who graduated physics but never did a masters?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 14:50:28 UTC No. 16612961
>>16612950
if employability is the goal, why not masters in some kind of engineering
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 14:57:06 UTC No. 16612967
>>16612961
such as? I majored in physics, I don't know much about engineering
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:26:40 UTC No. 16612998
>>16612967
I don't know about Spain, but here in Germany a Master's is expected. A physics Bachelor's doesn't get you shit (I have one and I wipe my ass with it). For maximum employability I would also recommend an engineering MSc.
>I don't know much about engineering
You don't need to do all the undergraduate courses. Ask the university what you actually need for a Master's. It might just be one semester worth of courses since you already have the maths and physics stuff covered. In my experience it takes surprisingly little to switch to a different STEM field once you have a STEM Bachelor's.
If you want to continue down the physics path there's essentially two options:
1. Research in academia (PhD required) or industry (PhD preferred)
2. Something unrelated to physics like programming. If you pick this you might as well do an engineering major because physics is not going to give you any advantage whereas an engineering degree opens up more options.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:34:06 UTC No. 16613001
>>16612998
so you're saying my physics degree is useless?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:45:20 UTC No. 16613008
>>16613001
I was exaggerating a bit for dramatic effect, I'm sure you can still get a decent job, but it might not be as prestigious or well-paid as you're hoping for and it might have nothing to do with physics. It all depends on what you want to do. I just wanted to warn you that you might not actually use what you learned - unless you go into research. There's plenty of physics students here who go on to become mediocre programmers. Nothing wrong with that but it is kind of limiting. All I'm saying is that you'll have more options on the job market with an engineering Master's than with a physics Master's.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:51:58 UTC No. 16613015
I figure this might be a stretch to ask here, but can I get a QRD on dental school from the anons?
TLDR: gifted latina gf expressed interest in dental school. where start?
Story for the bored:
>gf has been dental assistant for long time
>surgical/implants
>high quality stuff
>doesnt want to do hygienist because not as fun as cutting people open and actually changing their life
>tell her for years that most people don't like that, and it's a unique thing to enjoy dental surgery and maybe consider becoming a dentist
>drop it
>yesterday she brings it up
>she's obviously mexican so I'm sure they would throw money at her for a college
>she hates the idea of prerequisites/electives and doesn't into math, but can rig up cc's for body weight in no time
>are there fast track ones? she already has a few dentists that would vouch for her and have her as an understudy
>where are the renown ones? are they even worth it with her xp? I'm pretty sure you can't get a license in guatamala and have that transfer, right?
>what's the actual truth behind the bureaucracy and certification of it?
I'm asking here first as I know the time saved will be enormous. and for that, I offer a favorite quote of mine
>"A question well stated, is a problem half solved"
and a humble picture of a modern tarot re-imagining that I think you may all deeply pour some of your hate and laughs into. Thank you for your time.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:55:48 UTC No. 16613017
>>16613001
To add to my previous post: I might be biased because I switched from physics to electrical engineering so take this with a grain of salt. You're probably not going to be unemployed with a physics Master's degree. But since you don't want to do a PhD, I'm assuming you're not really into the research aspect but rather the problem solving and understanding how things work. There's plenty of that in engineering as well and you can do it without a PhD. Whereas physics without a PhD is rather limited.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 16:16:50 UTC No. 16613037
>>16612859
I am concerned about safety while working in these areas. About the responsibility to not hurt anyone.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 17:26:06 UTC No. 16613088
>>16608212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPZ
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 17:30:02 UTC No. 16613090
>>16608950
>1.7 million ghost jobs
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/articl
Is it even still worth brushing up on it?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 17:33:15 UTC No. 16613093
>>16612028
What are you goals? What are you trying to do/be?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:05:07 UTC No. 16613392
>>16613001
Where were you expecting to work? The Physics factory? Yes a physics Bachelor's without any additional skill set like programming, simulation or data skills is useless, or at least some work applied work experience.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:48:52 UTC No. 16613454
>>16612025
Oh no, another mathematician!
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:52:29 UTC No. 16613458
>>16612869
>Is a masters in physics in Europe (Spain) worth it if I don't plan to get a PhD?
Yes. The FAQ is clear on this, and a PhD is preferred. While >>16612998 is exaggerating a bit, Germany has in general a strong preference for a PhD, other european countries have different preferences.
>>16613001
>so you're saying my physics degree is useless?
It isn't useless, rather it is a good start.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:56:29 UTC No. 16613461
>>16613090
>Is it even still worth brushing up on it?
Yes.
It is true that fraud is rampant and out of control, but LinkedIn is reponding by checking things. As a part of Microsoft I am sure thay can bring a lot of people to this issue. And I hope all the fraudulent companies will be listed for eternity.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 10:37:25 UTC No. 16613840
>>16612998
This guy is correct. The Master's degree is considered the standard degree here for all things STEM. The only field where you used to get away with a Bachelor's only was CS but those times are also over.
In some fields you won't get very far without a PhD (meaning in the private sector) like Chemistry or Biology (90% of Germans Master's grads in Chemistry are doing PhDs) since graduates from these disciplines are competing with people with vocational training that are usually preferred by employers for technicians roles because they view the dual vocational education system as better suited for lab technicians than university.
They won't even let you clean the labs or feed the mice with a Bachelor's in biology.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 13:14:07 UTC No. 16613913
>>16613895
get some data certs
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 16:48:32 UTC No. 16614024
>>16612666
Do private industry first. Always make sure you can pay your bills and eat. Cool science shit comes after. You got a fourth year to do that.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 17:03:09 UTC No. 16614036
>>16613037
Get used to it. I’ve been doing this whole manufacturing/construction thing for close to 30 years. People are going to die, and to be honest, the ones that die are the lucky ones. At least their family gets a nice payout and it’s all said and done. Plenty of times the guy lives, but the rest of his life isn’t exactly what I’d call living and his family is cleaning out colostomy bags for however many years.
>be working at a semiconductor fab
>there’s a guy there called “raccoon”
>dude got blasted in the face with acid but because he had goggles on his eye area was unharmed
>rest of his face looks like a fallout ghoul
>he doesn’t even really have a real job anymore, he just gets paid to hang around the cafeteria because the company didn’t want a lawsuit so they worked out some deal
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 17:55:07 UTC No. 16614081
What are big brained math anons supposed to do now that AI will take most entry level jobs? Is academia, AI labs or finance industry the only way to get 6 figure jobs now?
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 18:47:40 UTC No. 16614120
>>16614081
If you were big brained, you wouldn't be in math.
Seriously though, the only money in math has been in finance, for... as long as I know. At least a few hundred years.
Since you're looking for 'entry level jobs' I assume you don't have a PhD, in which case literally what were you thinking?
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 18:47:46 UTC No. 16614121
>>16613093
I am doing a Master's in electrochemistry with some data experience. I kind of old so I likely will not do a PhD or go into academia, that's why I am trying to get some sort of more materials/engineeringish/data role.
The solar stuff is what interests me more. It could also allow me to pivot to semiconductor and optoelectro stuff. That was my line of thinking.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 21:49:16 UTC No. 16614307
>>16614081
Actuary (AI is a threat)
Programmer (AI is a threat)
Data scientist (hot field but a lot of competition)
AI maker (get in if you fit in)
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:23:17 UTC No. 16614343
>>16614081
AI is good for interpolation, staying within what is known, but breaks down into hallucinations once you try to extrapolate into something new. Now that AI has been shown to choke on own output, the race is on for fresh, human made stuff to feed into the training data before everything is saturated with AI gunk. And using Wikipedia and that Ritalin abusing forum for input were both major hazards that went off the rails. So we might fall into yet another "AI winter".
So my guess is that research should be reasonable safe, though salaries are low and fraud is rampant in academic research.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:27:48 UTC No. 16614346
>>16614307
>Data science
Literally a dead field lol
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:57:48 UTC No. 16614370
>>16614346
Already? From great hype and awesome pay to dead, that was quick.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Mar 2025 23:04:35 UTC No. 16614374
>>16597487
humans cant fly either, but we did it
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 00:10:39 UTC No. 16614412
>>16614307
Just become an AI Engineer like I'm trying to be lol
>aussie uni student
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 02:16:09 UTC No. 16614503
>>16614472
kek how are you even exposed to this without knowing
It means it relies on two variables. So in that case the function [math]f[/math] relies on both variables [math]x\text{ and }t[/math]. One such example would be like this:
[math]f(x,t)=2x-t\\
f(2,1)=2\cdot2-1=3[/math]
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 02:28:29 UTC No. 16614517
>>16614503
so it sets those variables and then uses them on the other half of the equation? is it just so that it is balanced, and do i have to use them?
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 02:31:48 UTC No. 16614523
>>16614503
exposed to it in my learning about waves by the way
and thank you for responding to me :)
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 02:46:48 UTC No. 16614534
>>16614346
Everyone wants to be a data scientist and there are no jobs.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 03:13:35 UTC No. 16614548
>>16614517
[math]f[/math] is a function of [math]x[/math] and [math]t[/math]. Those are typically your 'input' or independent variables.
So like with >>16614523 when you're talking about waves, you are looking at the displacement given a location and time.
If you imagine the surface of a lake, you could define [math]h(x,y,t)[/math] as the height of the water, given a location [math](x,y)[/math] and a time [math](t)[/math]. So if you want to know what the height of the water is two meters north of your reference, three meters east, and four seconds after the start (say when you throw a rock into the lake) you might say that was [math]h(2,3,4)[/math].
Generally speaking, if you're given the equation, you can plug them into the other half like I did in my first example, yes. Often times though, you don't actually know what the equation is. So you might just write it down as say [math]C(v)[/math] where the drag ([math]C[/math]) relies on the velocity [math](v)[/math] but without any more detail because you don't have it. This is relevant for calculus in particular, and is often seen in simplifications for things like quantum physics.
The commas are just denoting a new independent variable. A standard function may be something like [math]y(x)=mx+b[/math] where the variables [math]m[/math] and [math]b[/math] are understood to be constants, even if undefined. The fact that [math]x[/math] shows up in the parentheses denotes it as being (one of) the independent variables.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 05:06:16 UTC No. 16614593
>>16614307
>Data scientist
unironically the most formulaic of jobs you listed, even more formulaic than actuary
>run python script 1
>look at blobs
>run python script 2
>look if number is over 0.9 or not
absolutely going to be replaced with AI
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Mar 2025 05:15:08 UTC No. 16614594
>>16614548
thank you. youve cleared a lot up
i dont know the limits of jumping to conclusions but ill work it out. i had also forgotten to remember that x and y are just axis on a graph in the context of this learning
im going now but if youre bored and looking to just post things (which ill read when i get back) then do you know how to go from 2phi/i to phi/i or even (phi2)/i if you know what i mean? the way of thinking to work through that challenge or "how to solve it"
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Mar 2025 16:17:34 UTC No. 16615835
>>16614120
A masters degree is also quite useful
>>16614307
There’s also quant finance
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Mar 2025 18:35:35 UTC No. 16615957
>>16615835
>A masters degree is also quite useful
Really? I'd be surprised if the stats backed this up; I'm quite certain all graduate degrees in math are a loss financially.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:15:59 UTC No. 16616067
Every day at work is a humiliation ritual. Every day I am reminded that I am retarded, untrained, and that my STEM education left me completely unprepared to actually perform labor.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 00:39:43 UTC No. 16616322
>>16597487
Is a BS in Physics really that bad or is this guy just an asian with zero social skills/sales ability
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVI
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 01:02:24 UTC No. 16616334
>>16616322
He's right. Studying STEM will require most of your time and energy. You will compromise on other important aspects of life: health, physical and mental fitness, a social circle etc. I'm not saying that you can't have those while studying physics, but it's really barebones. Even worse, a career in physics requires a PhD as barrier to entry and graduate programs have a <10% acceptance rate; <1% for really prestigious schools.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 01:34:11 UTC No. 16616366
>>16616334
my understanding is that most physics bachelors can find employment in either gov labs or finance
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 02:18:42 UTC No. 16616396
>>16616322
He's just a fuckup. His parents certainly did a number on him, and that didn't help. He was clearly very depressed, and since it was his second year he wasn't even in the physics major courses yet, just the basic STEM ones everyone takes. For jobs, he didn't do even a basic google search of what physics majors do, which would tell him they do all kinds of shit other than just teaching. Finance and labs are options, but unlike >>16616366 I would say they're not in reach of most undergrads; those are more for those with grad degrees. Engineering titles are absolutely within reach of physics undergrads, as are any job that doesn't require any skills from your college degree, just that you have one (most govt and managerial jobs).
I disagree with >>16616334 ; I regularly spent the majority of my time as an undergrad playing video games and had no issues with grades as a physics/math double major. I'll concede I'm likely not the standard, but I spent more time in class than studying/doing homework. Intelligence and prior experience (did you ACTUALLY learn calculus, or just how to pass the class?) is probably a huge influence here.
Really what it boils down to is he had his entire self-worth wrapped up in his perception of his own intelligence and found it lacking. Again, his parents didn't help him here, but he had plenty of opportunity to find hobbies, make friends, and so on and so forth prior to getting to college. If you're like him, you should avoid any and all STEM like the plague. There's someone smarter than you, and you won't understand everything instantly. He made good points about knowing why you're doing what you're doing, which is the most important thing. While I don't think physics degrees are worthless (far from it), if you don't intend to go to graduate school you should REALLY consider if you wouldn't be better served studying something else, or anything at all.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:23:47 UTC No. 16616473
>>16616396
Why does every physics fag have this tall tale about how easily they can pivot to engineering?
>I can turn it on whenever I want just you wait
I've been in industry as an electrical engineer for many years and have never worked with someone with a physics degree. Everyone studied engineering. If you wanted to be an engineer you should have majored in engineering. You didn't do the classes. You don't have the degree. You aren't ABET accredited. You will never be an engineer. You studied physics. Now go be a physicist and stop clogging up our job postings with your irrelevant resume.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:07:59 UTC No. 16616504
>>16616473
I didn't say it was easy; it's significantly harder. Hence why I also said if you didn't want to do graduate school you should really consider a different degree.
But you absolutely can pivot to engineering with a physics degree. In fact, it's the most common thing for bachelors holders that don't continue their education to do.
You almost certainly have worked with people with physics degrees too, just unknowingly. It's not like people ask what their major was or even where they went to school.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:27:46 UTC No. 16616510
>>16616504
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Always, always, get the engineering undergrad. If you really want to do physics or math or whatever the fuck you are going to need a masters+ anyways. If you get the engineering degree right out the gate you can at least pay your bills and eat food better. None of you math/physics fags who have a PhD and are whining about muh job have realized you could be designing plumbing systems or HVAC for a healthy salary.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:31:35 UTC No. 16616515
>>16616510
Well that's the thing, they act like they did physics/math because it was a higher calling than designing HVAC systems, then after the noblesse oblige fantasy crashes down they come sniffing around for a job.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:43:55 UTC No. 16616523
>>16616510
I'm not sure how competitive engineering degrees are for grad school since it's not what I did, but if you can get it to work that probably would be ideal.
Do engineering colleges typically have research for undergrads?
IDK who's whining about jobs either; physics PhD unemployment rates are significantly below national average, in the US at least. I guess people whine about not getting into academia, but not getting the dream job versus not finding a job are very different.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 06:34:32 UTC No. 16616573
>>16616510
what sounds better? physicist, or engineer?
To an hr retard, engineer implies autism, low social skills, a lack of self awareness.
Physicist implies intelligence, social aptitude, a general sense of pondering outside of the task at hand.
People are that fucking stupid. It's not just what you know, it's how you can market yourself.
I don't think abet certs mean as much as they used to in a country where a significant percentage of the hiring base is getting their degrees in other countries
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 07:31:15 UTC No. 16616591
>>16616515
If such math/physics grads are willing to let go of their ego, there’s also consulting and asset management. So many of the roles at these companies offer to train at job, the only prerequisites being solid with numbers and an interest in finance.
You won't be making any groundbreaking discoveries here, but will at least have decent money
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 07:46:22 UTC No. 16616598
>>16616591
All physics grads are destined to be bald and bankrupt.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:02:14 UTC No. 16616605
>>16616598
its starting to look like that's just the fate of all stem grads
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 15:25:06 UTC No. 16616900
>>16616598
>destined to be bald
I am heading in that direction. However,
>and bankrupt
As a consultant, my personal finances are not too shabby.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:28:00 UTC No. 16616939
Fucking hate how everyone in my uni uses chatGPT to do thier homework assignments, cheat on their online quizzes etc....
lazy subhumans can't even bother to open a book, search through articles, ask the Professors or TAs...
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:43:16 UTC No. 16616956
Anyone here with a math or physics PhD that doesnt regret it?
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:01:35 UTC No. 16616977
>>16616939
Ai basically broke higher education. They are still in denial how bad it is
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 17:32:42 UTC No. 16617002
>>16607617
No askeland?, It's what my prof recommended and what I used when I took the course.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:08:10 UTC No. 16617019
>>16616573
I'd like to see a rebuttal to the idea of using a stem degree as a marketing device
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:24:43 UTC No. 16617029
>>16616573
>what sounds better? physicist, or engineer?
Most hr sluts unironically dont understand the difference.
Anonymous at Wed, 12 Mar 2025 23:20:42 UTC No. 16617283
>>16617029
not even talking about getting hired rn. Talking about utility of the piece of paper in regards to bullshitting people into giving you money
All degrees are marketing degrees now
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Mar 2025 00:09:42 UTC No. 16617319
>>16616939
its unreal. chatgpt isnt even reliable for math but my classmates talk about using it constantly. at least try wolframalpha? but i guess you cant literally copy word problems letter for letter into that.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Mar 2025 14:11:17 UTC No. 16617812
>>16616977
I'm really eager to see how the next generation of engineers would do their job and solve real world problems....
How dependent to the chatGPT they are, and how vulnerable and useless they would be if you take it from them.
>>16617319
There was a time when people made fun of those who used StackOverFlow for everything, but at least with SOF you had a human interaction and when your questions were wrong or incomplete, you would get corrected by the community.
chatGPT is so literal when it comes to your prompts and if you are not careful with your question or if you don't know anything about the topic that you're asking, the answer that you'd get could be horribly wrong.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Mar 2025 21:11:18 UTC No. 16618108
>>16600747
>Not even sure anymore if this serious or sarcasm?
Serious.
t.Physicist with PhD
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Mar 2025 22:01:13 UTC No. 16618159
>>16616939
I have bad news:
>Students must learn to be more than mindless ‘machine-minders’
https://archive.is/nvHLI
>A survey of UK undergraduates by the Higher Education Policy Institute think-tank shows 92 per cent of them are using generative AI in some form this year compared with 66 per cent last year, while 88 per cent have used it in assessments, up from 53 per cent last year.
>But when they gave undergraduates an AI text and asked them to improve it, the results were disappointing. “The improvements were very cosmetic, they didn’t change the structure of the arguments,” she said.
>Masters students did better, perhaps because they had already honed the ability to think critically and structure arguments. “The worry is, if we don’t train them to do their own thinking, are they going to then not develop that ability?”
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 02:38:33 UTC No. 16618374
>want to postdoc in a cool, clean, functional city like hong kong or singapore or tokyo
>best labs that do the exact shit I am interested in are all in the bay area/silicon valley
I am so sick of this depressing shithole country. Not even California in particular. I just want to do cutting edge research AND live in a city where department stores can safely exist in the downtown area
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 03:17:28 UTC No. 16618393
>>16613015
Pretty sure its like a med degree, the only math she might need is algebra physics and calc 1 or stats, but she will need chemistry up to orgo
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 07:31:12 UTC No. 16618533
>the one professor single-handedly keeping the institute from crumbling down (and who is also my supervisor) took a better job offer and is leaving
Welp, good thing I'm about to finish my work in here anyway and he's making sure his students don't turn into orphans
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 13:44:26 UTC No. 16618709
>>16598689
>>16599032
yes bro if you don't have enough IQ points don't even try
you're as retarded and brainwashed as religious people
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 22:41:43 UTC No. 16619125
Opinions on HPC?
I'm doing a Computational science master atm and I'm going to Italy (polimi) for my exchange semester. I'm considering taking HPC electives (parallel computing, advanced methods for scientific computing, numerical linear algebra etc) and maybe a course on neural networks and deep learning as well. It seems like a good fit considering my ongoing masters program, but I would like some opinions on what courses I should take if I want to get into HPC (I have no prior knowledge about HPC).
Data science seems too boring (and risky).
Scandifag btw.
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 23:12:45 UTC No. 16619200
>>16619125
As a physicist we like having nice computers and clusters, especially the HEP guys. So as longs as physics research exists I'd imagine the demand for production will be there.
I have no idea how saturated it is though, or anything about the technical aspects.
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 23:26:28 UTC No. 16619257
>>16619200
Thanks for the input. Maybe it's a bit niche, but as you say, there should be demand for it.
I just want a comfy high paying job that's not soul crushing.
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Mar 2025 23:50:02 UTC No. 16619335
>>16619125
Its fine going to school, but why aren't you using AI right now?
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Mar 2025 00:00:59 UTC No. 16619357
>>16619335
I don't get your question.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Mar 2025 00:26:20 UTC No. 16619379
>>16619357
Why aren't you using AI right now?
You want to study some thing in the future. Why do you have to study it in the future?
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Mar 2025 00:34:08 UTC No. 16619385
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Mar 2025 13:54:00 UTC No. 16619731
>>16619627
First off, I was happy to see you got that job, so now I am a bit concerned you seem to want to brush up on your CV. What is up?
If this is a condenced version, it is fine. Then again I wrote in the past that your old CV was fine too. What is missing, if you want to expand, are your language skills. You were in Germany, did you pick up the language? Also your list of patent applications are missing.
I am, however, grateful that your anime plush dolls are not listed.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Mar 2025 13:56:09 UTC No. 16619732
>>16614081
AI is not taking jobs, it's just making jobs easier, they will never let AI take full control of everything
glorified retards that supposedly know what the AI in each field is doing will always be needed to just sit there and watch the AI do stuff while they slurp their coffee and still get paid as if they're doing the work themselves
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Mar 2025 22:06:58 UTC No. 16620102
Is it worth it shelling out a couple hundred dollars (probably closer to a thousand) to apply to grad school in the US or should I stay in Europe? I'm graduating next year with a bachelor's in CS and I want to go into research/academia. I'd probably be more inclined to stay here but most of the groups working in my field are in US universities, the problem is I don't even know if 3-year Bologna-agreement-cucked degrees are worth anything for admission in America.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 03:35:33 UTC No. 16620312
>>16620102
I don't know what European degrees are like, but I've never seen a foreigner at a grad school with just a bachelor's; they ALL have a masters.
If you want to do research or academia you should ask the local academics what they'd suggest, as it's all going to be very field dependent.
Also, be aware that US grad schools are very competitive. There is no such thing as a 'safety school'. On top of that, significant portions of the budget may be from grants that literally can't go to foreigners, so the slots are even more restricted for them. Around ~1/3 international would be the upper end from what I've seen. I've no idea what your grades or research experience looks like, but I would consider that before applying.
For reference, someone in my undergrad cohort had a 4.0 GPA, a year long fellowship working in the relevant research, and got into only one school of the ~5 schools she applied to, as a minority (pre-DEI being illegal). I had much less research experience and a lower GPA but got into 4 of 8. Whether that's luck, the different areas we were interested in, or differences in letters (recs and cover) I couldn't say.
Really I'd imagine that if you want to live in Europe (post PhD) you should stay in Europe, and if you want to live in the US you should look to move there ASAP.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 15:22:06 UTC No. 16620792
>>16619627
>firsh I get de blinkopinge
>dan de purda wemater riksern
>komplettar de uitbildening
>dan u håf de chocolade moose!
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:31:39 UTC No. 16620915
I am a third year CCE student that is working as a python developer. My grades aren't that good but I want to try and get a PhD if I can. The problem is that I am indecisive, I just go with the flow of things and have currently ended up close to people doing research in automation and control, it's a fun field and I have worked on some projects related to it, however, I am not sure if this is the right thing for me.
All I know about myself is that I like computers and that I want to work in Antarctica (not sure what I can do there)
Any advice on what fields I should explore, or fields that will take me to Antarctica? I wanna do research/work that actually has impact.
Or things that I could read that will help me make my decision?
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:03:48 UTC No. 16620939
>>16620915
>Any advice on what fields I should explore, or fields that will take me to Antarctica
A cooking apprenticeship.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:09:37 UTC No. 16620944
>>16620915
>Antarctica
May I ask why?
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:22:00 UTC No. 16620951
>>16620944
I had no goals to pursue and struggled in some interviews because of it, after watching an anime about going to Antarctica it resonated with me and I wanted to do the same.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:59:11 UTC No. 16620986
I did my PhD in Physics in the UK and was a member of the Institute of Physics mainly for some conference funding. I've now entered industry. Is there any point for a professional registration (e.g. chartered physicist)? I sort of get the feel it is a knockoff of what engineers have and meant to extract money out of people who think another piece of paper with a few-letter abbreviation is somehow going to help them where the previous five failed to. But maybe I'm cynical.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Mar 2025 21:12:40 UTC No. 16621135
>>16620986
I'm a physicist too (US though) and have never even heard of such a thing.
How much does it cost (time/money)?
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 02:01:10 UTC No. 16621307
Depressive jobless aero grad from half a year ago here to report that I am still depressed and jobless. 1400+ applications all to qualifying jobs anywhere in the US at all pay levels and nothing but a few interviews that just ghost me.
Anons please please please if anyone is thinking about it do NOT do a fucking aerospace engineering degree.
The current plan is to quit the master's cause another useless degree is gonna do nothing for me and keep applying till the enf of the summer. If nothing lands I'll go enlist. If that fails I will fucking blow my brains out.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 02:03:17 UTC No. 16621311
>>16619627
I applied with SAAB for a quality technician job for $20 an hour and they ghosted me after the interview too
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 02:49:56 UTC No. 16621333
>>16621307
>enlist
>with a degree
huh?
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 03:51:51 UTC No. 16621356
>>16621333
OTS is incredibly competitive with an admission rate of like 2% and it's a year-long process with no guarantees. Don't got cash to stick around that long.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 04:50:36 UTC No. 16621371
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:14:02 UTC No. 16621381
>>16621356
Anon, enlisting is something people with literally no other options do.
Don't do it.
It's something people with drug addict parents or who barely passed high school and have no local jobs do.
Don't do it.
I really can't stress this enough. If you have a degree you're qualified to do a bunch of other shit, in completely unrelated fields (management, random govt jobs, etc.).
There are no guarantees with enlisting*. The recruiter can and will lie to you. You could get stuck doing laundry for four years, being paid less than you would working at Walmart.
Don't do it.
*There can be a very few jobs you can get this for, and in the Army exclusively, but if that job disappears or you become unqualified (fail a test, get put on restriction, etc.) you are now thrown into whatever the fuck they want.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:30:21 UTC No. 16621389
>>16621381
I know all of that but in theory I'd get like 25k a year and have all living and food expenses paid for along with cheap insurance. It's not such a bad deal when engineering jobs start at 50-60k and I can't get those anyways.
When I get out in 4 years I'll also have a security clearance and should have a nonthesis master's finished too. I'm betting on things to get even worse 2 years from now but start recovering in 4.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:35:20 UTC No. 16621391
>>16621381
>govt jobs
Not right now and probably not for the next year lmao
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:45:59 UTC No. 16621393
>>16621389
You will not get a security clearance just for enlisting, nor for the vast majority of possible rates. A nonthesis master's is probably actually a way to hurt your CV, as you're more expensive to hire but still have zero experience.
If money's a big problem you can get a retail job or whatever while looking for something better.
Really the thing you should be considering is how this will help you. You can't get a job now, likely because you're doing (or did) something wrong. Continuing to do things wrong isn't going to help you, you should figure out how to make yourself more attractive or if you are willing to pivot. Your current unattractive resume plus four years of something completely unrelated to engineering is just as unattractive, if not more so.
>>16621391
True I guess, but they'll open slots up eventually.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 06:05:42 UTC No. 16621401
I was in that position 8 months ago anon. I've tried absolutely everything I could think of. I went through 12 resume layouts, multiple interview strategies, even ways to dress and things to put in the background during an interview. I have some related part time experience in labs and an internship. None of it worked.
And with what's been going on with the dod's layoffs the market is getting flooded by thousands of engineers with decades of experience where few people are hiring entry level already so I figure what chances I had are now as good as gone too.
I'll be going USAF. Almost every service code in the air force gets you a Secret clearance.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 06:41:40 UTC No. 16621413
>>16621389
>>16621393
right now being a bum on the streets is better than being enlisted.
go work in a bar for a year, get some pussy. You have a cover in trump's idiotic dept of ed. debacle for why you're not working in the field
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 07:19:32 UTC No. 16621431
>>16621401
Curious, would you (and the original anon) mind posting your GPAs?
I know aerospace is a meme degree that's almost as bad as history for unemployment but there are still plenty who made it work.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 07:21:09 UTC No. 16621432
>>16621431
I'm the salty jobless guy.
Mine's a 3.3.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:19:54 UTC No. 16621485
>>16620102
> and I want to go into research/academia
No you don’t.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:36:16 UTC No. 16621494
>>16621381
Why do people think having a random degree qualifies you for management? This isn’t 1960s.
If you don’t have the nepotism connection going straight to junior management is almost impossible.
>>16621432
I aussme you mean join the air force.
It would be fine
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 10:06:59 UTC No. 16621508
>>16621494
>If you don’t have the nepotism connection going straight to junior management is almost impossible.
NTA but maybe work on your social skills? You don't need nepotism to get some random supervisor job, you need a pulse, a piece of paper that says you're not completely incompetent, and the ability to follow simple instructions and resolve child-like drama.
https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=8
Shit like this doesn't even require a bachelor's. If you interview well you'll get the job. Are you going straight to being some VP in a skyscraper? Fuck no. But it's a management job, and if you do well you can keep moving up.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 13:04:53 UTC No. 16621586
>>16618374
The redpill is realizing you and the nog looting the footlocker next to your research lab are two sides of the same diseased coin.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:15:48 UTC No. 16621699
>>16621401
I am also considering the Air Force but the Coast Guard or even the Space Force is also something I am exploring. Almost none of the jobs in the military are related to my degree, but whatever.
>>16621413
You seem like you have spent some time in the military, why is being enlisted so shitty? If people do not like it, they can leave after one contract or transition to being an officer.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:30:12 UTC No. 16621712
should I quit my job as a civil engineer to study computer science?
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:58:24 UTC No. 16621730
>>16621712
NO!! The CompSci job market is in the gutter.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:26:26 UTC No. 16621930
>>16621699
>You seem like you have spent some time in the military, why is being enlisted so shitty? If people do not like it, they can leave after one contract or transition to being an officer.
You have a degree. If you enlist with a degree what you are telling all future employers is that you are a slave who can be pushed around for the rest of your life. It will fuck you forever.
Enlisting is what you do at 18 or what you do when you're 26 with no options
There is a social component to this that you're missing because you're autistic.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:56:39 UTC No. 16621957
>>16621699
Officer isn't as selective as you're making it out to be, but having high PT scores will help. Unless you want a pilot slot or something, but I wouldn't go for that right away if you just want a job. You could also go through a green-to-gold program where you enlist first, then go through OCS. If you enlist, you'll be in some type of training for almost a year and it will suck, but after that you will be treated like a free range retard. There's nothing wrong with enlisting, they do most of the actual work in the military, but if you already have your degree and have been struggling for the past year, you'll feel wildly out of place. Check out the military enlistment general on /k/.
>>>/k/63448524
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:49:01 UTC No. 16622024
>>16621730
EVERY job market is in the gutter
stem is completely oversaturated due to h1bs
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 01:16:08 UTC No. 16622105
>>16621957
>Check out the military enlistment general on /k/.
Most organic general ever btw. Definitely not sponsored by reddit glowniggers.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 01:18:17 UTC No. 16622108
I was you 7 years ago well 6 and a half years ago jobless after graduation not exactly aerospace but mechanical engineering with an aerospace focus and the recruiter came to me while I was at the arcade and bothered me to get me to enlist for like half an hour he told me you'd be officer since I had a degree and maybe perhaps you'd get to work on a nuclear submarine, I kinda considered it but the idea of living in barracks again was an automatic deal breaker, I wanted no roommates after I had just graduated and you know there was a contract to it too
Well 6 years later I am still jobless maybe I should have taken it after all.
I mean I did have a job for a couple years out of those 6 but didn't last forever.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:23:51 UTC No. 16622142
>>16620915
I think there's some astronomy you can do in Antartica related to the Cosmic Microwave Background, but it's debatable how much on an impact astronomy has in the first place :/
Unrelated, do you have your appendix? If you are to be stationed in Antartica you are required to take it out, because you REALLY don't want to get appendicitis down there considering the nearest hospital is probably in South America
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 03:50:17 UTC No. 16622198
>>16621307
Fellow aerospace anon here
Have to agree: DO NOT DO AEROSPACE. There are no jobs except working to make missiles for the military industrial complex, if that. Just do electrical engineering instead; you can still work on aerospace stuff if you want to. In fact, most innovation in the aerospace field is through electrical engineering or computer science vis a vis robotics and controls stuff.
I got lucky and got into patents, but nowadays it's basically impossible to break in with the federal hiring freeze and law firms not wanting to hire anyone ATM.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:14:40 UTC No. 16622210
I studied electrical engineering because of the salaries and now just about everyone gets paid more than me. I'm not even talking STEM either.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 05:44:44 UTC No. 16622239
>>16622210
Don't worry I get paid <30k/year as a PhD student so you surely make more than me.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:47:56 UTC No. 16622558
>>16622142
>>16620951
>>16620915
Welcome to the team, anon.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:55:06 UTC No. 16622564
What is the most future proof (10+ years) career? I would say special education teacher but that is not STEM. For STEM, weapons engineering.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 22:37:31 UTC No. 16622944
What's the best out for an NEET?
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 22:50:22 UTC No. 16623001
>>16622944
helium
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 22:53:35 UTC No. 16623014
>>16623001
Man I hate being northern European, I wish I was American so I had access to good jobs
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Mar 2025 22:58:01 UTC No. 16623035
>>16623014
idk man, as a recent ME grad, and I'm not getting much right now. maybe its time to get clearance...
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 00:06:04 UTC No. 16623130
I have no hope of ever getting admitted to grad school. Really not sure what to do.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:24:10 UTC No. 16623217
>>16623130
Get a job?
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:45:21 UTC No. 16623228
>>16623130
Online master's?
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 01:47:21 UTC No. 16623233
Can anti-discrimination laws apply to an inexperienced NEET like me?
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 02:47:02 UTC No. 16623280
I have no hope of ever getting a job, I'm 27, no experience and just doing my bsc in EE cuz neetbucks
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 03:03:04 UTC No. 16623293
>>16622210
what did you specialize in? electrical engineering is hot in patent law (if the job market wasn't generally fucked)
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 06:00:32 UTC No. 16623381
>>16623228
How can I do an online master's if I can't get admission.
>>16623293
I didn't have one. I was in school during covid and half the professors retired so we all had to take the same electives, just whatever the school decided to offer. There was no coherent specialization.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:04:45 UTC No. 16623857
>>16622198
>I got lucky and got into patents, but nowadays it's basically impossible to break in with the federal hiring freeze and law firms not wanting to hire anyone ATM.
When did that happen? And I think that mighht be a US only thing, European recruitment agencies specialising in patent attorneys are very active.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:02 UTC No. 16623893
Mixed news:
>Europe can import disillusioned talent from Trump’s US, says Lagarde
https://archive.is/iVSYt
>Without making a direct reference to Trump, the French central banker indicated that some American residents might be attracted to Europe in the wake of the US inauguration.
Reality, however, is that French academia is a disaster area where funding has been cut to finance the cost of mass immigration, causing French scientists to leave.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 23:00:10 UTC No. 16623981
>>16623893
Are Safran, Rhienmetall, Leonardo, et al hiring?
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 23:09:22 UTC No. 16623986
>>16623893
>central banker wants mass importation of labor
Oh so it's a day that ends in -y
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 00:26:34 UTC No. 16624029
I'm finishing up my Physics BSc in like 3 months (UK), I'm hoping I can scrape-by and get a 2:1, but in the worst case it might be a 2:2.
I'm not quite sure what to do next, especially since I wasn't able to land internships during my summers so I have no actual technical job experience.
I was considering getting a master's (Though probably not in physics), but
1) If i had to do a master's I'd prefer to change universities to a more prestigious one, but with my current grades that's practically impossible, and I'm not gonna drop applications fees when I'm confident I won't get in.
2) I haven't enjoyed my stay at the university at all.
3) Most likely I'd also be unable to afford it.
I haven't been applying to any academia related jobs because I'm too stupid to actually compete with people who know what is happening, so I think I'd be OK with finance, tech or anything else.
What do you think is the best course of action here? Do you think my mediocre BSc is enough for me to break into a proper career, or did I fuck up to much and should do a MSc even if it's not really something I especially want?
Or any other tips would be welcome, thanks.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 06:04:16 UTC No. 16624145
>>16624029
Engineering MSc. Might want to go abroad.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 14:32:48 UTC No. 16624275
The difference between doing your PhD at a good lab vs a bad lab:
Good Lab:
>if your advisor is known your citation count is almost guaranteed to be x10 compared to baseline
>your are almost always guaranteed to be working on a current hot topic that receives lots of attention
>you are given enough freedom to do something novel, while also being advised on what has already been tried before
Bad Lab:
>advisor is junior or disillusioned senior who is no longer receiving any attention
>topic is likely to be something more niche that nobody in the world cares about; the advisor will tell you that this is to differentiate the lab, but in reality it just means you are wasting your time
>you will get heavy handed guidance that prohibits novel work, making it even harder to get good publications
If you cannot get into a good lab, don't even bother. It's a waste of time. Academia is mostly a popularity contest. You are just your h-index and your h-index depends heavily on the lab you are part of.
Also don't get suckered into believing that the reason you are not getting any attention is because you are doing something super novel that has not yet be recognized as such. That line is used by every junior professor and mediocre PI.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:38:23 UTC No. 16624300
>>16624275
>Academia is mostly a popularity contest. You are just your h-index
You realize there are other reasons to get a PhD?
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:50:56 UTC No. 16624308
>>16624300
If you are too idealistic you end up doing career suicide, and I do not even mean just academic career suicide. If you graduate with a shit PhD with a bunch of 0 citation papers you won't even find a decent industry job.
You'll end up doing the same exact job as you would have done without a PhD in the first place.
Sorry for being cynical, but this is just the way it is.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 16:36:45 UTC No. 16624335
>>16624308
Shit PhD and 0 citation papers is very far from you are just your h-index.
Relevant research is more important than citations for industry. If your research is some dumb shit with zero relevance then yes it's a waste of time, of course. This is /sci/ though not /lit/ so it should be obvious chasing some random passion project that literally nobody else in the world cares about is a bad idea.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 17:34:04 UTC No. 16624363
>>16624335
I am not going to say you are wrong because I can conceive of a situation where a PhD might be useless academically, but include enough knowledge and skills to be worth something in industry.
However, in my experience, even applied PhDs are often too far from industry needs to be of any value. It's really something that you have to approach with open eyes to be sure you aren't wasting your time.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 18:03:58 UTC No. 16624381
>>16624363
>However, in my experience, even applied PhDs are often too far from industry needs to be of any value
What IS your experience?
I can say as a CM physicist you would kind of have to go out of your way to find something useless.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 18:20:23 UTC No. 16624393
>>16624145
Would you recommend any specific country/university for it, or should i just try and find whichever is most convenient?
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 18:29:04 UTC No. 16624397
>>16624381
I think CM is rather the exception than the rule.
For example, consider numerical mathematics.
You might spend your PhD optimizing some numerical method for a particular class of solutions.
You would think that there would be a huge amount of jobs lined up for you.
But actually, there are only few employers that would need a numerical mathematician on hand and the mount of numerical mathematicians graduating far exceeds the number of jobs available.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 18:29:19 UTC No. 16624398
>>16624275
I work in theoretical physics but your differences between good and bad "lab" are still valid. The only difference in my experience is that the bad "lab" will not give you heavy handed guidance. They will give you no guidance and see if you sink or swim. If you swim they will take all the credit in the end.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 18:35:58 UTC No. 16624404
>>16624398
>They will give you no guidance and see if you sink or swim. If you swim they will take all the credit in the end.
I'd much rather have that than being cornered by the PI into a bad topic.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 18:47:02 UTC No. 16624414
>>16624397
Well all the labs at my school seemed to do relevant work, but for math the rule is nothing they do is relevant with only some exceptions.
To be honest if you thought you were going into industry with a math PhD you should've known it'd have to be sufficiently applicable because nobody cares about most math topics outside of math. Plus, if you got into a PhD program without learning that academia is a popularity contest you had some massive blinders on.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 19:50:47 UTC No. 16624444
>>16624404
I didn't say you would get a good topic. Their your advisor and get to pick which projects you work on. Since you get no guidance you are free to look at whatever other ideas you want, but good luck learning enough to understand cutting edge theory on your own with no guidance.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 19:51:48 UTC No. 16624447
>>16624444
*They are your advisor
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 20:49:28 UTC No. 16624498
CS BSc from EPFL here.
Should I try to Master in civil engineering or should I keep with CS? Also is a PhD in CS worth anything or just a big meme?
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 20:55:49 UTC No. 16624506
Any particular reason you are disillusioned with CS?
>Also is a PhD in CS worth anything or just a big meme?
Complete meme.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 21:00:43 UTC No. 16624512
>Age of everything AI
>hustled my way into an AI/ML PhD
>but project is something completely unrelated to LLM/CV
I have a very strong gut feeling that I am doing the biggest mistake of my life.
Literally everywhere job posting I see is about LLMs or CV, yet here I am doing weather modelling like some chump.
On its face it is interesting, but there is a literal goldmine happening in LLMs right now and I cannot help but feel like I am missing out. Not to mention, I am not even sure I will even find a job after I graduate.
Should I just drop out and try to get a job with an LLM startup?
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 21:29:23 UTC No. 16624525
>>16624506
>Any particular reason you are disillusioned with CS?
The future of the field feels uncertain.
Webdev looks dumb.
Embedded is not for me.
Lots of frameworks and tools. Not super bothered about this one, but the problem is that HR roasties are clueless and so even though you could pick up any lang or tool variant you will still be limited by your stack and past jobs.
Another big one is also that most products are fucking shit, I'm the opposite of a consoomer. I couldn't care less about all these shit SAAS and retarded b2b apps. Which is why I'm maybe considering devops, as it's kinda like factorio type autism of managing resources. Though I worry about doing clickops, and you aren't as close to the product.
Cyber looks dead af, it seems people just look at dashboards and that is it, low level jobs are non existent.
Thank you for reading my blogpost.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 22:46:38 UTC No. 16624568
>>16624525
I guess, you have to weigh the odds against each other.
First of all, are you tied to Europe or can you go to the US?
How much is the average salary of a Civil Eng? What's the job market like?
How does that compared with a bog standard SWE salary where you live?
SWE salaries tend to be high, but actually when you normalize for hours on the job and hours preparing for interviews it's not so impressive anymore.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 22:47:29 UTC No. 16624570
tool making and material science or automatization and robotics.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 22:49:01 UTC No. 16624572
>>16621413
>>16621389
This whole “you got a degree! Be an officer!” Thing needs to stop. Is officer better than enlisted overall? Yes absolutely, with one really fucking important caveat
OFFICER IS BETTER IF AND ONLY IF YOU MAKE THE MILITARY A CAREER
Read that one twice. The first 4 years or so as an officer is quite literally designed to make you sign up for another contract and be a career man. That’s what they want out of officers. You will spend your first contract just learning how to be an officer. That’s it. You won’t really do your job. You will be babysat by some E-7 and essentially be his bitch. You won’t make any connections in the wardroom/officers mess because you are regarded as an FNG till you make O-3. You won’t have friends or get to party and live it up because the other officers (who are career guys) don’t want to associate with some one and done guy who’s just there to cop some benefits and experience then go civilian, it’s a waste of time for them. You will be hazed relentlessly, doing the most ridiculous humiliation rituals the rest of the officers can come up with. You will be in the HQ building doing tedious ass paperwork til 1900 on a Friday completely unrelated to whatever degree or skillset you have (Evals and Fitreps, hoorah). Yeah you will get paid more and might have slightly nicer accommodations on deployment but you will also be expected to live off base which means a) having a car b)paying rent and buying your own food and cooking for yourself, and c) having to commute in to base every day for morning muster/formation. At the veeeery tail end of your contract, the last 8 months or so, you will see a light at the end of the tunnel and get a taste of what it’s like to actually be an officer. Once again, that’s by design to get you to re-up.
cont.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 23:00:26 UTC No. 16624583
>>16624572
As enlisted, you’re done being the FNG after 8 months, a year tops. You will live in the barracks with all your comrades and probably be BBQing and crushing natty lite 30 racks in the smoke pit every Friday at 1300. You will actually do your job once you prove yourself even the slightest bit competent at it instead of being gate kept to mind fuck you into staying in. The military doesn’t give a fuck about enlisted guys doing a single stint and getting out with their bag. Your pay sucks for the first half of your enlistment but it’s all disposable income because you have everything else paid for. You live right on base and walk your happy ass a 1/4 mile to work every day. If you aren’t a total assclown and can pull your own weight or be moderately useful, the hazing you get is minimal.
And the final part is, civilians have no idea what the military is like and can’t discern between officers and enlisted 90% of the time. They aren’t even going to care unless you frame what you did in corpo speak on your resume. All they are going to see is “oh he’s a veteran” and that’s it.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 03:23:37 UTC No. 16624730
>just keep applying
I can't get an interview. I can't even get a real person to review my resume. All I get is AI asking me to justify why my INTERNSHIP didn't show longevity.
This is so frustrating. The only interview I had lined up canceled the day of. I know I can interview well and can get a job once I get a chance to talk to a human. Nobody will give me a chance. All I get is rejection emails and AI chatbots.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 03:50:30 UTC No. 16624736
tell me. are all those LinkedIn application numbers true?
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 11:43:34 UTC No. 16624897
>>16624568
>I guess, you have to weigh the odds against each other.
it's what I've been doing for years ahhh
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 11:44:05 UTC No. 16624900
>>16624730
Kek it's so over for me
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 11:55:25 UTC No. 16624907
can you get a job before you graduate in physics? I'm in my last year but I need a job now, is this possible?
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:34:11 UTC No. 16625006
>>16624907
literally not possible, even mcdonalds will turn away if they find out
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:37:04 UTC No. 16625010
>>16625006
I mean jobs that require a degree in physics. I'm not poor enough that I need to work at mcdonalds
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 14:54:25 UTC No. 16625031
>>16625010
>I mean jobs that require a degree in physics.
Bad news, those jobs all require graduate degrees.
As for doing something tangentially related (engineering, data, programming, etc.), it's already an uphill battle with the degree since you don't have the degree for that specific thing. Without an actual degree, I would consider it highly unlikely you'd find any sort of job in STEM unless you had stellar internships or research experience in a lab to point to.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:33:43 UTC No. 16625122
>>16624506
CS might still be viable in the defense sector where they dont allow AI
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:14 UTC No. 16625177
>>16624506
do civil eng and get a job as a field engineer, it's more fun than writing code all day
you can study more cs and write code as a hobby during your downtime "
alternatively, if you still enjoy computer stuff more, do a master's in computer engineering
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:48:10 UTC No. 16625183
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Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:49:30 UTC No. 16625185
>>16625177
meant for >>16624498
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:54:06 UTC No. 16625190
Why did I get a math PhD again?
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:55:25 UTC No. 16625193
>>16625190
Because you're smarter than I'll ever be, you work hard and you're genuinely interested in math?
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:01:19 UTC No. 16625201
Do quants actually do math or do they just plug big data into linear regressions and then front run everyone else? I thought the career was really cool in theory but it seems like you don't use any of the fancy math the theory stuff is based on which is dissapointing
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:18:03 UTC No. 16625214
>>16625193
>smarter
>PhD
oh nononononono
Who's gonna tell him?
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:21:55 UTC No. 16625218
>>16625214
I'm pretty stupid anon
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 20:33:20 UTC No. 16625320
>>16597487
How to start working in a lab of some university without having a finished BSc?
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 20:34:51 UTC No. 16625322
>>16625320
Meaning can you get some low responsibility low pay or even zero pay position and then work your way up?
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 20:47:52 UTC No. 16625329
>>16625177
>>16625185
>you can study more cs and write code as a hobby during your downtime "
I'm afraid those days are over. I'm doing CS cause it's 2 and a half fucking years for the master, if I lose any more time imma off myself. Biggest mistake of my life not doing HES/FH
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:34:42 UTC No. 16625412
>>16623981
Not sure about them but the local arms industry in my country is certainly recruiting. Problem is, most European "leaders" are stuck in analysis paralysis and they believe they will be independent of US military support in 5 - 10 years, which is absolutely hysterical. It is far nore likely that the same leaders are planning big bunkers deep down where they can sit out WWIII.
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:38:21 UTC No. 16625416
180k to work in downtown Detroit? Y/N? How far out of the city do I have to live to not see “youths”
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Mar 2025 00:23:28 UTC No. 16625466
>>16625416
Not from Detroit so I don't know but personally I don't think there's a number you could put on it. Downtown is probably the safest area, but what matters is where you live and how long of a drive you're willing to have every day.
Figure if you commute an hour each way you're effectively working 10 hours instead of 8 (or adjust appropriately), so it's a full 25% more work--which for most people should demand more than a 25% raise. At one point it was ranked the second least safe city in America, and the schools are also notoriously garbage if you have kids.
If you live alone and can afford a nicer area it seems more attractive to take a nice pay bump for a few years and try to use it for a better job down the line.
If you have a family you have to consider the risk against how much the money would mean for your future.
If you live there for three years though you have a ~11% chance of being the victim of a property crime and ~8% chance of being the victim of a violent crime if I'm reading this chart correctly. Just way those (or better researched for specific areas) odds against other offers and your personal risk tolerance.
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Mar 2025 00:26:16 UTC No. 16625469
>Hello Anon! We saw your resume and we believe you have the skills to be a part of our Team!
>Assisted living(????)
My resume clearly states I'm looking for Mechanical Engineering jobs. I know these are just bots but its slowly getting to me.
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:50:16 UTC No. 16625828
Why do white people apply for jobs that they're not supposed to do?
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Mar 2025 18:34:15 UTC No. 16626018
>>16597487
I just finished my bachelor's in AE. should I stay in school or try to find a job? the federal freeze kinda fucked my chance at jobs, I lost two opportunities. so really lost right now
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Mar 2025 18:54:52 UTC No. 16626044
I'm lazy, retarded, can't finish college, no motivation, no nothing. I have 0 going for me, EXCEPT that I have 150iq.
What jobs can I get? Can be anything that I am able to do without killing myself. I just want to be able to live a normal life.
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:24:22 UTC No. 16626062
>>16625469
they obviously want you to design a robot that helps the disabled and elderly with their daily tasks
Anonymous at Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:17:52 UTC No. 16626148
>>16626044
Now you must realize these are not problems. Only then can you live the life of neet
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 01:01:18 UTC No. 16626277
>>16626062
Wellness Director is a weird title for someone who makes robots. also im not about to do that for $16/hr
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 04:31:02 UTC No. 16626371
I got my PhD in CS last Thursday. My defense went really well, my committee basically didn't have any criticisms and just said it was great work that they enjoyed, but I'm definitely still a retard. I thought I'd feel some relief or something, but I don't and continue to feel sort of powerless/drifting in life.
Dunno even why I'm writing this shit. I've already started my postdoc, so nothing has really changed.
I guess I was hoping to find some greater drive/motivation/clarity. I like the research I do when I get to autistically focus on a problem. It's almost like a compulsion, like the compulsion to clean when you're on LSD or something. It's not enjoyable in that sense, but it feels okay for a bit when you're done and I get some relief from like constant thinking about death and existential doom. :^)
But I feel like I'm just sorta in it because it's easy to keep going, but also because I can't think of anything better. I can't do work I don't care about. Like if got an industry jobbo and some boss man assigns me some shit and I don't like it, I just can't do it/get myself to work on it. I've been lucky with my PhD and postdoc advisors that they just let me do whatever I want, so I don't have that problem in academia yet. But if I try to become a professor then the problem may come back:
>service stuff like paper reviews (hate reading papers)
> admin stuff
> teaching (teaching is ok, grading and other teaching admin sucks hard)
> plus maybe too stupid/unproductive to get a prof pos
But maybe my view of industry is wrong. Never had an industry job. And I'm so fucking sick of having no money and not being able to have a decent, quiet living situation. And I'm sick of living in places I don't want to live because that's where the academic position happens to be. I feel so powerless. And I'm probably not driven hard enough to get a professor job desu.
Anyway, wat do?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 05:01:46 UTC No. 16626381
>>16626371
Get an industry job.
You think you don't but you do.
I'm guessing you've never had a real job before? You may think you won't be able to do X because it's boring or whatever, but you will.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 05:08:58 UTC No. 16626384
>>16626381
>You think you don't but you do.
Don't what?
>I'm guessing you've never had a real job before
Correct
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 05:24:04 UTC No. 16626389
>>16626384
You think you don't have the ability to 'just go to work on something soullless' essentially. To do tasks you don't enjoy. You do. Nobody loves every part of their job. Most people don't love any part of their job.
That's why they pay you to do it. If you don't love work, leave it in the office or find a job where you can.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 10:19:54 UTC No. 16626496
>>16626384
even in boring shit jobs you get a little dopamine hit from getting dumb tasks done, its what those stupid tycoon games take advantage of
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 13:25:09 UTC No. 16626575
>>16626389
>>16626496
Ok, but is suffering through that worth the extra money over shit pay in academia, but constantly interesting work?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 13:58:25 UTC No. 16626588
>>16626575
>>16626371
i'm still only bachelor student and never had a job so take this with a grain of salt. I'm a bit like you, can't be bothered with stuff I don't care about. But when doing research type stuff it consumes everything even though I don't care *that* much about it.
My hope that I can find some ezpz industry job. One of those supposed jobs where you work 2h a day and then just fuck around.
But I also have various interests, and cs isn't even the biggest one, so if your only passion in life is cs then yeah maybe consider academia, in a field you love
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 16:30:21 UTC No. 16626722
>>16626588
I have one of those jobs. It’s great. I mostly stand around and talk to people. Send a few emails. At least 2 hours of my work day is spent just driving around the woods in my company 4wd truck listening to music and drinking coffee. It’s got all my snacks and stuff in the back like a little pantry, a couple of 12v dc gizmos to heat up water and food, and a built in laptop stand in the passenger seat like a cop car that I’ll sit and watch movies from when I’m just chilling in the middle of nowhere. I make $170k doing this lol.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 18:09:31 UTC No. 16626781
Academia is for psycho backstabbing bitches and jeets. If you are a white guy just happy to work on your stuff, you will never make it. Gtfo asap.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 19:40:59 UTC No. 16626848
>>16626722
wtf, does the job have anything to do with tech/sci?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 20:12:05 UTC No. 16626876
>>16626148
I NEED MONEY TO LIVE RETARD
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:53:33 UTC No. 16626954
>>16626919
>shitty GPA
How shitty?
If you are sub 3.0 you literally can't apply, sub 3.5 is still a big problem.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Mar 2025 23:53:43 UTC No. 16627757
I'll graduate in applied math with a mediocre GPA. Based on that alone, I won't be able to be accepted to a masters degree in a good institution.
Can things like recommendation letters and a good undergrad research project "boost me up" and make me an apt candidate to a prestigious institution?
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Mar 2025 00:38:00 UTC No. 16627841
>>16627757
Down grade the university you are picking.
Pick a third rate rural city like Bucharest, Warsaw or Dallas, they'll give you a masters there.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:02:11 UTC No. 16627866
>>16627841
I'm not from the US, though.
Any chance I can do my PhD at a good uni if my masters is good enough regardless of institution?
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:03:36 UTC No. 16627867
>>16627866
Yes don't be afraid to lower your standards but make sure to always go the way you want.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Mar 2025 05:23:29 UTC No. 16628765
>>16626919
Could someone explain to me how a masters in engineering works? I'm currently doing computer science and applied math but actually I wanted to pursue either electrical, systems or industrial engineering. What should I do? Would a masters suffice? They say you need to pursue a post-bac undergrad degree first and complete the engineering credits because a masters is not ABET accredited. Is this right? Is a masters in engineering useless and you actually need to complete an undergrad degree first? Thank you
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Mar 2025 21:30:08 UTC No. 16629360
>have to run measurements
>no 3d stage (in repairs) so borrow one
>fix the previous shitty code
>start measurements to be done overnight
>???
>come back, pc crashed halfway
>(also unrelated no electricity in the whole lab, took some time to fix)
>launch measurements again
>pc crashed halfway again
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Mar 2025 21:36:55 UTC No. 16629362
>>16628817
>Was he a glowie?
Unlikely, intelligence was (supposedly) handled by different agencies.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Mar 2025 23:08:37 UTC No. 16629430
Anyone here turned to the dark side and started MBA?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Mar 2025 04:57:43 UTC No. 16629597
>>16624572
>>16624583
I get that you're a recruiter but this kid is gonna fuck himself for life if he goes enlisted with a degree. Nothing wrong with being a lifer and an officer, truth his he'd probably wind up going back anyway with his luck in the job market. May as well make it in commissioned
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Mar 2025 05:40:09 UTC No. 16629607
Already have a CS degree but was wondering how electrical & computer engineering ECE masters degree works and if it helps at all for getting my foot in the door for research companies. If not then how will it help me pivot to Radar/RF/Antenna/Satcom. I am looking for more flexibility with a masters degree in the job market.
>>16624572
Also due to the job market officers at all levels and branches are increasing their demands. You won't even get signed on unless your GPA is 3.8 and it's a STEM degree. Days of any degree gets you about any job with a 3.1 GPA is over. Only pilots can get away with high GPA's and bullshit degrees.