🧵 /sumo/ - Off Basho Sumo General
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:07:01 UTC No. 126728
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>>120153
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:33:21 UTC No. 126733
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:34:18 UTC No. 126735
I personally do not like abi because his style of sumo is ugly and he looks like a frog, but good on him for winning the yusho
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:36:02 UTC No. 126736
Yutakayama retired
his last bout ends with a smile:
https://youtu.be/dbE9wHm5S4E?t=538
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:40:19 UTC No. 126737
>>126733
It really is.
It's just one hissyfit over the "validity" of the henka after another.
>I've never seen anyone ever pull a henka in good faith
What the fuck does that even mean? The only things you can do in the ring that aren't in good faith is throw the fight or cheat.
If we were to hypothetically get rid of the henka, why stop there? A slap-down isn't really "honest" sumo. And, sorry, Hoshoryu, but your leg trips aren't "honestly" pitting your strength against your opponents.
Ura, whatever the fuck you're doing, just stop all of it. It's "dishonest".
Takakeisho, you're good as soon as you stop "dishonestly" slapping people.
These people don't realize that if got their way, sumo would be entirely populated by clones of Ichinojo.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 16:45:21 UTC No. 126747
>>126737
Henka is a self-correcting problem, really. If you become known as 'the one who pulls henkas' what results is that people start pulling henkas on you.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 16:56:21 UTC No. 126750
>>126747
Additionally, it's actually a pretty risky maneuver. These nu-fans think it's an instant win trick.
In the playoff, had Takayasu not received a concussion and been able to keep fighting, Abi would have been at a considerable disadvantage since Takayasu didn't bite on the henka and go flying a la Hokutofuji did against Takakeisho in September.
His face was in contact with Abi's chest. As soon as Abi landed, Takayasu would have been driving him towards the bales.
The part that sucks is that Takayasu got injured, not that he lost.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:31:26 UTC No. 126760
>>126758
Wouldn’t an extra top division spot open with yutakayamas retirement
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:35:51 UTC No. 126762
>>126760
He was in Juryo.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:37:08 UTC No. 126763
>>126760
>Wouldn’t an extra top division spot open with yutakayamas retirement
There would be an extra spot in juryo, since he was j4 this tournament.
Chiyotairyu opened up a spot in makuuchi.
Anon has 42 guys on his makuuchi banzuke. That's the limit. No more no less.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:59:47 UTC No. 126769
YDC has gathered and announced that if Takakeisho gets convincing yusho next basho they will recommend him up for a promotion. Zensho-yusho should do it
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 19:03:23 UTC No. 126770
>>126769
Link?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 19:04:05 UTC No. 126771
>>126769
With how purple-faced he gets in bouts lasting longer than 7 seconds it'll be wild to see the first yokozuna to ever die while performing their first ring entrance ceremony
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 19:26:10 UTC No. 126774
>>126772
Interesting. He's certainly been better the last few months compared to the past three years when he couldn't even manage to complete three tournaments in a row.
(Maybe he's getting a little smarter with his style and is focusing more on preserving his health?)
If he earns it, he earns it, but I personally can't see him as a yokozuna. No one on the banzuke today really looks the part, excluding a healthy Terunofuji.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 19:41:35 UTC No. 126776
HORIZONTAL ROPE or a VERTICAL ROPE for our boi?
STAY TUNED
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:16:31 UTC No. 126782
>>126781
If Keisho were to get the white rope, I imagine he'd be a yokozuna like Kakuryu: constantly injured and taking advantage of the yokozuna prerogative to skip tournaments. He wouldn't go anywhere until he hit mandatory retirement age.
I liked Kakuryu but as a yokozuna he was disappointing aside from that nice run in 2018.
Kisenosato at least had the dignity to not stick around. He realized he was injured, realized he wasn't going to be able to yokozuna-level competitiveness and retired.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:33:17 UTC No. 126787
>>126782
Well yeah, probably - but the freak occurrence of Hakuho and Asashoryu coming along in quick succession has given people an exaggerated vision of what constitutes a Yokozuna. There have only been like 5 of those true Dai Yokozuna in a century or so:
Kitanoumi
Taiho
Chiyonofuji
Takanohana
Asashoryu
Then a few of guys, Wajima and Akebono and the like who are somwhere in between, and all the rest are just good Ozekis who got the nod.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:35:06 UTC No. 126788
>>126787
lol 6 in a century i mean, i forgot hakuho lel
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:40:41 UTC No. 126789
>>126787
I wonder how many others were lost along the way to that path due to injury. Teru might have never become yokozuna if he didn't get a mindset reset from his year-plus off from injury, but how many more yusho could he have gotten once he made it back up if his knees were still at least holding on this past year or two and he was actively competing?
I guess it's still an ongoing conversation since he isn't retired yet but I'm not holding my breath
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:41:38 UTC No. 126790
>>126787
I will fully admit that my perspective of what a yokozuna is has been warped.
I started watching when Asashoryu was in his prime, so it took me a while to come around to the idea that someone other than a yokozuna could possibly win at all.
I feel like a great rikishi gets to be ozeki. A yokozuna is supposed to be an all-time GOAT. I would be absolutely fine if we went a while without one, should Terunofuji decide he's never going to heal.
You forgot Futabayama too, from the 1930s and 1940s. Sure, only 12 titles, but for most of his career, there were only 2 tournaments per year.
(I don't know if you meant to limit yourself to only the modern 6-basho era)
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:56:39 UTC No. 126794
>>126790
Ah, Futabayama, agreed.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 21:28:34 UTC No. 126802
>if he zenshos next tournament he should get the rope
YDC spouting unhinged nonsense that will never happen as usual
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 21:46:38 UTC No. 126803
>>126802
They say shit like that because the old bastards think it motivates the rikishi.
I remember when Mitakeumi was on his ozeki run in January and Isegahama said that Mita would need to go 15-0 to get a promotion (when 13 would have been enough for 33/3.)
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:14:07 UTC No. 126812
>>126811
For myself, I didn't care if he finished 0-15, 1-14, or 6-9 as long as he fell out of makuuchi. I'm sick of his bullshit ball of salt gimmick and his stupid leg picks.
He'll probably still try the leg picks in juryo, but at least he'll stop doing the salt ball act.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:21:00 UTC No. 126814
>>126769
>if Takakeisho gets convincing yusho next basho
Lame. I guess they're pretty desperate right about now though.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:25:42 UTC No. 126815
>>126812
You sound like a faggot.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:26:19 UTC No. 126816
>>126812
>he'll stop doing the salt ball act.
why? he was doing it in Juryo too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k0
maybe I'm wrong, but if he retires one day, someone else will start doing the salt thing; I'm sure there were other salt throwers in the past, I'm just doubtful that it was an uninterrupted tradition and I don't know where to find more info (other than random videos)
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:32:01 UTC No. 126817
>>126816
oh, posture princess without the mask at the end of the video
>inb4 nekodamashi + ashitori
yeah, quintessential saltman
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:33:49 UTC No. 126818
>>126815
Stop projecting, Frank
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:40:24 UTC No. 126819
>>126817
>oh, posture princess without the mask at the end of the video
Nooo! Why would you do that?!
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:41:27 UTC No. 126820
>>126816
I was under the impression that he would stop once he fell out makuuchi...or maybe I'm confused and he would stop when he fell to makushita.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:46:21 UTC No. 126822
>>126782
>Kisenosato at least had the dignity to not stick around
Were we watching the same Kisenosato? The one who sat out for nearly two years with a lukewarm comeback in between that made it abundantly clear that he was in no shape to do yokozuna sumo ever again, but still forced himself back a second time regardless?
Kakuryu, for all his time absent in the later years, did deliver good results whenever he was present, without even resorting to Hakuho-style acrobatics. I think he's a vastly overlooked wrestler. Always in the shadows of others, but he never lacked the strength, dignity, kindness, and composure that the rank ought to demand. Outside of his injuries, he was a textbook yokozuna to me.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:50:59 UTC No. 126824
>>126817
>posture princess without the mask
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxk
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:56:27 UTC No. 126825
>>126772
How about a 14-1?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 22:59:13 UTC No. 126826
>>126819
It was devastating to discover that the Posture princess was one of the approximately 7 un-bangable females in japan.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:01:35 UTC No. 126827
>>126822
Kisenosato sat out 4 tournaments in 2 years as yokozuna. He got injured early on, tried to make a go of it and retired when it didn't work. It was hardly 2 years. He wasn't even at the rank for 2 years. He could have continued to rehab to try to come back.
Kakuryu (who I was a fan of, btw) still wasn't the model of consistency. He either missed all or part of 18 of 41 tournaments as yokozuna. That's close to half.
After completing a single tournament in 2017, he should have packed it in, but he chose to heal instead and came back to win 2 tournaments in 2018.
Compare them to the remarkably durable Asashoryu or Harumafuji (who knows if they would have broken down if they hadn't been forced to quit) or Hakuho's early career as yokozuna, before he realized they can't actually make him leave if he doesn't commit crimes.
Both of them received letters of encouragement from the YDC for their lack of participation.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:02:59 UTC No. 126828
>>126826
>the approximately 7 un-bangable females in japan.
She was probably pretty hot when she was younger, though, ngl
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:12:00 UTC No. 126830
>>126826
THE MASK STAYS ON
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:16:28 UTC No. 126832
>>126831
That guy? Isn't he just the fat guy who works security at the Kokugikan?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:29:00 UTC No. 126833
>>126827
>After completing a single tournament in 2017, he should have packed it in
Should he have? He proved the very next year, and the one after, that he was still very much in the game. And there's the difference. He was injured an awful lot starting then, yes, but it was largely salvageable, given enough rest. In stark contrast to Kisenosato, who refused the one thing that might've saved him: a surgery. Instead, he did nothing more than drink snake oil and cling onto some sliver of cope when everybody with half a brain knew it was over. Even his first return wasn't a wakeup-call to him.
I do agree that Kakuryu dragged it out unbecomingly in the final year, though I can't fully blame him for that. He was waiting to get his citizenship approved before retirement.
And I think the YDC/NSK did the right thing. I think yokozuna should have the privilege to rest up to proper yokozuna form, within some reason and if at all possible. They should even be lenient towards injured lower-rankers. Maybe not freeze their ranks, but at least cushion their falls.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:42:19 UTC No. 126837
>>126833
>Should he have?
That's really an unanswerable question from our perspective.
Let's say, hypothetically, Takakeisho is promoted. The first thing he should do is have surgery to fix that neck issue that's been bugging him the last year.
He takes two basho off, comes back, wins. Immediately takes two more basho off to rest up. Comes back and wins again.
If the last few tournaments have taught us anything, it's that being able to skip a tournament is a huge advantage. Ichinojo, Abi, great performances from Takayasu several times.
Takakeisho would be stupid if he didn't take full advantage of that privilege.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:48:17 UTC No. 126838
>>126837
>Takakeisho would be stupid if he didn't take full advantage of that privilege.
That's what everyone is afraid of.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:53:00 UTC No. 126839
>>126837
Indeed hard to say for us. Where is the line between "use" and "abuse" of that privilege, when is it too much?
In the end, I think it should be down to fan sentiment. Would they rather watch a yokozuna that competes every two or three basho, or one that retires early? I'd gravitate towards the former, with some caveats.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:04:52 UTC No. 126841
>>126834
>>126834
As the other guy suggesting Futabayama correctly surmised, I should have wrote "6 basho era" rather than the vague "a century or so".
I'd be happy to call Tachi and Tochi true Dia Yokozuna too, but unlike Futabayama, they are done or near done "around a century or so" ago.
Takanohana is already in there.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:07:17 UTC No. 126842
>>126839
Agreed.
If the system had some guarantee that everyone who had to skip a tournament with injury could save rank did so in good faith, then there'd be nothing wrong.
But you can never say that's the case. Even Hakuho. You can't blame him when he's got 15+ years of high level sumo in his knees, but he definitely started taking time off because he could.
Personally, that bugged me. A sometimes overlooked part of sumo is the endurance aspect. You train your body not just to be strong, but to be durable; to take a beating every day for two weeks, then do it again in six weeks. Time off? Sure, take as much as you like, but you'll lose rank.
Someone like Sadanoumi has put extra value on that durability. He'll never win (not at his age) but he's not a broken-down wreck either. Takakeisho has put all his points into strength which, given his size, is probably necessary; but at the cost of durability. He can barely make it through two weeks.
If he were given the chance to fully heal up and no one else got that chance, it would be unfair.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:11:29 UTC No. 126843
>>126842
>If the system had some guarantee that everyone who had to skip a tournament with injury could save rank did so in good faith
Which they used to up until 2004, when the retards in power decided people were abusing it.
Really the JSA and YDC has been one retarded decision after another since the late 80s and the current sumo is the result. They need to severely unfuck their shit.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:15:05 UTC No. 126845
>>126822
>he never lacked the strength, dignity, kindness, and composure that the rank ought to demand.
Kakuryu absolutely lived up to the behavior and dignity standards they talk so much about imo.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:17:15 UTC No. 126846
>>126843
>Which they used to up until 2004, when the retards in power decided people were abusing it.
Retards WERE abusing it, though.
It was supposed to work such that if you got injured in the ring during a basho (not in training or on tour) you could skip the next tournament without losing rank.
It didn't take long before guys would get "injured" as soon as they hit their 8th loss.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:17:54 UTC No. 126847
>>126841
>Takanohana is already in there.
Sorry, I meant to write Tamanoumi.
As I think about it, maybe he doesn't rise to that level, but I always try to give him his due because nobody remembers him.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:25:31 UTC No. 126852
>>126846
>Retards WERE abusing it, though.
Who gives a shit? The alternative is guys having to drag their obviously injured broken down bodies onto the dohyo to give us one shitty uninspired bout after another because they can't even take off a single basho without being treated like they lost all 15 matches personally. Any system is going to be abused and exploited; the best system is the one that focuses on putting good sumo out for people to watch.
And besides that, the public injury system was first put in place in 1972. 32 years and suddenly only at the very end there was a problem with people abusing it? Bullshit, the real answer is some retards were huffing their own farts about fighting honour and made a retarded decision to scrap a good system.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:29:57 UTC No. 126854
>>126850
It made the banzuke a fucking mess. Remember after the covid basho?
That's harm.
It also hurt the competitors who stayed. If they got good records they didn't get the promotions they deserved because ranks were frozen by guys who ducked out.
It hurt the fans who did not get treated to a full card of matches.
The people who were actually injured were the minority.
The system was a good idea and the sumo association recognizes their wrestlers (their assets) are degraded when they are forced to fight hurt (and get more hurt as a result) but the implementation left too much room for abuse.
They should come up with a better system. Perhaps list a number of injuries that qualify as basho-skippable and have them verified by an independent physician not aligned with either the stable or the JSA.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:32:27 UTC No. 126856
>>126852
>won't someone think of the children, er... wrestlers?!
These sorts of posts always end up at "lower the dohyo"
They can skip any match they want. No one's forcing anyone to do anything. They just have to pay. If it's not that serious, maybe you can fight with that dislocated finger.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:37:34 UTC No. 126858
>>126854
Covid is a freak occurrence and should not be taken as a norm.
>The people who were actually injured were the minority.
I severely doubt that, maybe not "actually injured" by today's standards where guys are dragging broken barely-functional bodies on the clay to shit up the place because they're not allowed to heal but that's a stupid criteria for "actually injured."
>>126856
>If it's not that serious, maybe you can fight with that dislocated finger.
That's exactly the type of stupid example that should fuck off. Injured finger means they can't perform their sumo properly, look like absolute dogshit, their matches are crap, they can't actually heal that finger so they can perform to proper standards, and have a higher chance to further injure the finger and/or injure other parts as they compensate for not having a functional finger. The point is to thing of the paying spectators whose money the JSA relies on to exist, and who have continuously declined to show up because they know half-assed crap between injured wrestlers isn't worth spending money on to watch.
I want to see healthy guys who can go full hog without worrying about protecting their existing injuries. I don't give a shit whether the guys who have missed the tournament are "legitimately hurt" or not because they're not the ones I'm watching either way.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:40:16 UTC No. 126859
>>126858
Spectators dont show up because 85% of the banzuke are either shit or jobbing faggots not because of injuries
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:41:52 UTC No. 126860
>>126859
>85% of the banzuke are either shit or jobbing faggots
Huh I wonder why that could be certainly not the fact that they're forced to fight injured that obviously has nothing to do with it absolutely nothing at all no nope definitely unrelated
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:51:37 UTC No. 126863
>>126858
>I want to see healthy guys who can go full hog without worrying about protecting their existing injuries.
Then we'll have to go back to 2-3 basho per year because a huge part of the 6-basho calendar is injury management.
You're getting all wrapped around the axle about injuries but you don't seem to want to realize that they're ALL injured, all the time. They get injured in training constantly.
You've never witnessed a match between two guys each at 100%.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:54:04 UTC No. 126864
>>126863
>Then we'll have to go back to 2-3 basho per year because a huge part of the 6-basho calendar is injury management.
6-basho calendar has been in existence since 1948. I wonder if we could look back and see what measures they took in the 55 years that we've had 6 bashos per year to help mitigate injuries and ensure that the spectators were getting the most for their money.
Oh yeah, they made one, it was called the public injury system.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:56:04 UTC No. 126865
Things that could be improved in sumo:
- quality of TV coverage
- wrestler compensation, particularly for post-career wrestlers and their healthcare
- recruitment (this would improve naturally with compensation)
- fan engagement (fuck you Abi and WKM for killing everyone's social media)
Things that should be left alone:
- everything else
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 00:59:13 UTC No. 126866
>>126864
What they did to mitigate injuries was FUCKING RETIRE. When they got too injured to keep fighting, they quit and went back home to their farms.
The Kosho Siedo was introduced to keep popular, profitable wrestlers fighting longer. It had zero to do with protecting the wrestlers health so much as it was maximizing the amount of money the JSA and stables could squeeze out of them.
>Why let them them walk away when they just have a limp when you could discard them after they can no longer walk at all?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:12:31 UTC No. 126869
>>126866
Why are you this obsessed with the non-traditional injury demotion system? You realize that, until sumo was on radio and television, rikishi could miss any match they wanted without penalty? Ordinary sumo careers would look like this.
There's nothing special about random rules instituted in the 1920s singly motivated by profit. When the rule was formulated, there *were* only two basho per year. It's not tradition, it's not about injury management, or about rank decay, it was about the NSK getting paid for broadcast appearances by certain rikishi.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:17:37 UTC No. 126870
>>126869
That's literally what I said.
I could ask you why you're so obsessed with allowing wrestlers to only have to fight a few times per year.
Boxing's so popular, that must be the way to do it.
While we're at it, let's lower the dohyo, make the wrestlers wear helmets, ban the henka and the harite, and institute weight classes.
There. Nice and safe, just like the 'Murricans want it to be.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:18:36 UTC No. 126871
>>126866
>It had zero to do with protecting the wrestlers health so much as it was maximizing the amount of money the JSA and stables could squeeze out of them.
Then why would it be removed if the WRESTLERS were supposedly the ones "abusing" it?
And besides that, the latter is what I'm arguing should happen, because the JSA makes money by getting fans to pay tickets, and more entertaining bouts means more fans spending money. This is simply a case where allowing wrestlers to take a single basho off to get healthier is in the best interests for the fans and JSA because it results in more entertaining bouts since wrestlers are healthier and able to perform their sumo better. It's also why I ignored your retarded "muh dohyo height" whataboutism because it was retarded and I don't give a shit: the height of the dohyo should be whatever gives the paying audience and TV spectators the best view, as it always has been.
JSA decisions should be made based on what's best for the audience, not what's best for their jenkem-huffing otaku ideas of "honour."
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:19:49 UTC No. 126872
>>126870
>There. Nice and safe, just like the 'Murricans want it to be.
Of course, it's a Burger. Make sure you have the least education of anyone in the room and declare
>I'mma tell you everything that's wrong and how fix it. Git 'er done...oh no, I just got shot.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:22:41 UTC No. 126873
>>126871
So now that you've had a good cry about it, what are you going to do?
Stop watching? No. You're going to keep watching. Then shut the fuck up, because you're nu-fan bullshit is tiresome.
I swear to fucking Christ, after every goddamn basho some nu-fan shows up with ideas about how to "improve" the sport.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:22:56 UTC No. 126874
>>126870
good job making up a bunch of shit I didn't say to get yourself worked up at, you could make a career of it
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:24:33 UTC No. 126875
>>126873
>"The JSA should do this thing they already did previously that was better."
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE JUST MAKING STUFF UP"
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:25:45 UTC No. 126876
>>126870
oh I think I see where you misunderstood
no, kosho wasn't invented in the 1920s you moron - losing rank because of kyujo was
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:27:15 UTC No. 126877
>>126875
How fucking slow are you?
They got rid of kosho seido for a reason. Does it matter if you, personally, agree with it? No, that's irrelevant. Does it matter if you, personally, want it to come back? No, equally irrelevant.
It's not coming back, just get it out of your head.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:29:03 UTC No. 126878
>>126873
>I swear to fucking Christ, after every goddamn basho some nu-fan shows up with ideas about how to "improve" the sport.
Fortunately they never last. This retard will probably get distracted by the latest TikTok trend in a couple days and we can all get back to talking about the reality of sumo instead of pretending what we'd do if we were in charge of the JSA.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:31:17 UTC No. 126879
>>126877
>They got rid of kosho seido for a reason
Yes, a stupid reason. They also CREATED it for a reason back in 1972 and kept it for the entirety of when sumo was at its peak popularity during the Taiho era, boom 80s, and Hawaiian/Hana Bros. era.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:32:59 UTC No. 126881
>>126879
You're getting madder and madder over something you can do literally nothing to change. That's unhealthy. Stop. For your own sake.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:35:46 UTC No. 126884
>>126878
>we can all get back to talking about the reality of sumo instead of pretending what we'd do if we were in charge of the JSA.
that's how you can tell a longtime fan from a new one. the old head wants to talk about asanoyama's prospects in juryo in january. the new fan discovered the henka and is furious that such a thing could be allowed.
do you remember the anti-harite referendum on /sp/ after takakeisho slapped the taste out of kotonowaka's mouth? some of those kids were getting so upset you imagine they were slapping themselves.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:39:22 UTC No. 126888
>>126883
A politician makes a statement four years ago.
Oh boy, I feel change is in the air...
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:40:56 UTC No. 126889
>>126888
>NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>THEY CAN'T BRING IT BACK BECAUSE.... THEY JUST CAN'T OKAY!!!
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:46:05 UTC No. 126890
>>126884
>he old head wants to talk about asanoyama's prospects in juryo in january
I wish. But, Chairman Headcanon needs to blow off some steam, so whatever.
I think Asanoyama will do better in Juryo than in Makushita. Being among the sekitori might get him to focus a little better. He was out of the game for a year and that's a lot of time for ring-rust to develop. He has to re-learn how to get into the combat mindset.
I'm thinking he'll probably go about 10-5 from about J12-13. He'll probably have a week 2 fade since his 15 day stamina won't be 100%
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:48:17 UTC No. 126892
>>126888
If you weren't an obvious nu-fan pretending to be a grizzled veteran on the Internet then you'd know the public injury system was instituted after pressure from the government after a series of high profile injuries and the death of Tamanoumi because he didn't take time off to get an appendectomy.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:53:49 UTC No. 126893
>>126892
You're the one who's still ignoring what >>126869 says because denying history provides greater utility to your personal feelings of what makes for "good" sumo organizational operation.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:54:57 UTC No. 126894
>>126890
Have they announced who's going up?
The only makushitters with promotable records are Shonanoumi and Asanoyama.
The juryo guys with demotable records are Tokushoryu, Tsushimanada and Ka isho.
Keisho got a 5-10 from j10 but I think he'll get lucky.
Wait, they're going to have to pull someone extra in to make up for Yutakayama's retirement, right? 5-2 ms5 Hakuyozan?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:55:59 UTC No. 126895
>>126892
>t. furiously googling sumo history
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:02:53 UTC No. 126896
>>126894
>Wait, they're going to have to pull someone extra in to make up for Yutakayama's retirement, right?
Yep.
With Chiyotairyu's intai, there's one extra sekitori that has to be pulled up.
Assuming Takarafuji doesn't survive his 3-12, Juryo will be sending four guys up and getting three back. Then Yutakayama's intai leaves another open slot.
Makushita is sending up 2 at the very least.
Tokushoryu should be gone. 4-11 from J12 is indefensible.
After that, there's just not enough promotable guys. 7-8 Tsushimanada should get a lifeline.
Shonanoumi, Asanoyama, and Hakuyozan go up, Tokushoryu goes down and quite possibly retires outright.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:04:07 UTC No. 126897
>>126893
Why the fuck would I acknowledge something that's historically wrong? Not only is he using data from before the JSA existed, but he's wrong about the injury system existing since the 20s when it was created in the early 70s in response to increased injuries caused by the gradual expansion of the calendar up to 6 basho a year starting in 1958.
Hilariously, "denying history in favour of personal feelings" is exactly what they did when they got rid of it in 2004.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:06:57 UTC No. 126898
>>126894
>Have they announced who's going up?
Not yet.
IIRC it's usually just a couple days after the end of the tournament. They announce the promotions to juuryo from makushita but nothing else about the banzuke.
I think it's to give the new sekitori some time to prep for salaried life and order a silk mawashi and all that.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:16:13 UTC No. 126903
>>126897
>he's wrong about the injury system existing since the 20s when it was created in the early 70s in response to increased injuries caused by the gradual expansion of the calendar up to 6 basho a year starting in 1958.
Oh, okay, so you can't read. I said KYUJO DEMOTIONS were invented in the 20s, you absolute daft retard
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:18:10 UTC No. 126904
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:22:05 UTC No. 126905
>>126873
Kek nufans keep it interesting, honestly. Theyll either get bored and move on to another YouTube-core sport or theyll get jaded enough to realize their opinion is literal dogshit to the japs.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:25:14 UTC No. 126907
>>126890
Makushita is the wild west but so is lower juryo except instead of perennial bottlers it's up and comers and oldies
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 03:44:09 UTC No. 126913
>>126905
>their opinion is literal dogshit to the japs
imagine writing this with complete blind confidence in yourself
imagine thinking the shit Kyoukai officials say represents the average Japanese person's thoughts (sumo is NOT popular in Japan for multiple reasons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnh
skim the jp comments here
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 05:35:19 UTC No. 126921
>>126913
So the comments in a reddit thread about culture or media or society is indicative of the general consciousness?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 05:53:51 UTC No. 126924
>>126921
Reddit? Why on earth are you talking about reddit?
This conversation has gone off the rails, and I'm guessing your next assertion is going to be something about the opinions of "real japs" versus the "softened jew lib westernized commie cuck japs", so I'm done
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:02:46 UTC No. 126926
>>126737
enho would have to be banned too
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 06:11:55 UTC No. 126927
>>126894
>Have they announced who's going up?
Makushita promotions should be out on Wednsday.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:27:35 UTC No. 126945
>>126921
Not even Reddit. He's literally using a YouTube comments section as his "proof" of his deep understanding of the Japanese mindset. lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:30:24 UTC No. 126946
>>126945
>his "proof" of his deep understanding of the Japanese mindset
who are you quoting? I don't see any post like that
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:34:06 UTC No. 126947
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:41:05 UTC No. 126949
>>126947
What are you talking about?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 12:20:48 UTC No. 126951
>>126924
>so I'm done
Cool. See ya.
When you learn to behave yourself, you’ll be welcomed back with open arms.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 12:29:57 UTC No. 126952
>>126928
It was definitely one of the weirdest. Lots of injuries.
Also the last time we saw Goeido.
Funny, we used to joke about Goeido being a disappointment but compared to today’s ozeki, he was the model of consistency. (And fighting in a harder era.)
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 12:30:05 UTC No. 126953
I think the only way waka can finish the ozeki run is if he zen yusho, or goes 14-1 in the next tournament. Assuming the JSA will even promote him with the 8-7 from this basho. Maybe they'd be more lenient to, considering Shodai will be losing Ozeki. Then again Shodai himself is the last person to have been promoted to Ozeki with an 8-7 on their record, if I remember correctly. So Shodai gives just as much a reason to promote Waka as he does to not promote him. Just interesting, it would be a crazy basho if Waka got zen yusho, but that'd be a career first for him and not something I think he's got in the tank personally. The squeezing out a 14-1 is more likely if he does manage to pull it off.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 12:45:25 UTC No. 126954
>>126953
14-1 would net him 33/3 and ozeki runs with an 8-7 in then are not unheard of.
That would be 2 yusho, one jun-yusho, and 0 make-koshi for him in the 6 basho, all from sekiwake. That would be a good year.
I don’t know what to think about the JSA’s mindset. No one can ever know what they’re thinking. Even the 33/3 is not an actual rule. It’s something that the newspapers extrapolated years ago.
They have to be concerned about Teru and Keisho at the top and neither being the paragon of health but there’s no need to make rash decisions either.
WTK gets 14/15 wins, he’s earned it. 13? Hopefully those are quality losses, as they say in college football.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 12:58:03 UTC No. 126957
Feelings on the last basho?
>Pleasant surprise
Oho
>Under the radar performance
Hiradoumi
>Most disappointing
Kotonowaka (he took some bad losses)
>January champion
Kotonowaka. He’s looking solid. A promotion to komusubi should give him confidence. He has solid records against the joi. His time might as well be now.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:07:28 UTC No. 126958
>>126957
Correction: Kotoshoho was my most disappointing. Koto actually autocorrects to Kotonowaka for me.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:18:18 UTC No. 126960
>>126951
No, I'm staying here, I'm just not down syndrome enough to think I can convince one of your kind of any objective reality.
You, though, I am sure will leave as soon as FOOTBAAAAAAALLL starts again. So, I have no worries
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:22:26 UTC No. 126961
>>126960
Ok, but just remember: behave.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:23:30 UTC No. 126962
>>126959
What happened? Injury news?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 13:47:23 UTC No. 126963
>>126961
hang yourself with wire
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:11:55 UTC No. 126967
>>126959
Relax. He’s fine. He’s still only 27. He’s going to do some more roids and come back stronger.
He needs to learn how to start faster though. He’s like the anti-Oho. Poor in the first 5days.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:25:41 UTC No. 126970
>>126967
the person you are replying to does not truly love wakatakakage
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:29:20 UTC No. 126972
>>126957
>Pleasant surprise
Kagayaki doing well and green not going MK
>Under the radar performance
Nishikifuji. I think the Nishiki pair has a collective mental staying power of one(1) rikishi.
>Most disappointing
Wakatakakage. He went from 6-3 to 8-7.
>January Champion
Daieisho's time has come. I refuse to elaborate
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:34:14 UTC No. 126974
Is Abi the new heel of sumo?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:48:47 UTC No. 126977
>>126928
He can retire having achieved what 95% of wrestlers can only dream of
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:50:18 UTC No. 126980
>>126974
Always was. He’s the Eater of Dreams.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 15:54:48 UTC No. 126982
Apparently rumors confirming terunofuji is definitely out until march
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 16:06:12 UTC No. 126983
>>126974
>new
too old
I'm told that Jd14e Otani is the new one but I didn't follow much
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 16:32:13 UTC No. 126986
>>126982
No surprise. In other sports, the kind of surgery he gets is season ending.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 16:34:47 UTC No. 126987
Chiyotairyu had some pretty sick sideburns
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 16:39:04 UTC No. 126990
>>126989
Without
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 16:49:41 UTC No. 126993
>>126992
I’m sure it’s happened before. Sumo is such a family business. So many of these guys are descendants of other wrestlers.
WTK’s grandfather was a komusubi. Obviously, Oho’s family is well known.
If Oho wins a yusho, I bet he, Takatoriki, and Taiho would be a first set of grandson father grandfather to do so (though Takatoriki is not Taiho’s son)
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 16:56:14 UTC No. 126995
>>126992
Didn’t Takanohana come from some great sumo family?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 16:57:12 UTC No. 126996
>>126958
Agreed. That's a case of confidence issues if ever I've seen one.
When he first came up he was usually demolishing everyone up until the nerves kicked in each basho, but since his injury he's generally been a bag of nerves right from the get go.
I remember once before he had even made macuuchi watching a days training at Sadogatake where they were doing the "winner stays on" thing. Kotoshoho was so dominant that he had to volunteer to take breaks just to give others a chance to win one - just destroying everyone effortlessly, and that in the strongest stable in sumo. He should be crushing guys outside the joi.
I'd like to think that any minute now he'll remember that he''s a beast and stop fighting so anxiously and throwing away wins.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:05:42 UTC No. 126998
>>126996
He’s just a kid. Give him time. He rose a little too soon. 21 and in the joi, it doesn’t matter if he has the body of a monster, the guys up there know all the tricks. Even before his ankle injury he was probably getting a case of imposter syndrome.
Watching guys around him like Oho, Kotonowaka, Hoshoryu all make strides while he treads water must sap his confidence.
His sumo is suffering for it too. Just all over the place, no real plans, just hoping things work out.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:11:07 UTC No. 126999
>>126769
He was competing on the playoff and arguably there was a false start. I think that should count as equivalent.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:14:07 UTC No. 127002
>>126999
I honestly think he intentially didn't give it his all in the playoff due to Takayasu getting hurt beforehand. Can you imagine if he beat Abi and they had to drag Takayasu back up there for another bout.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:26:11 UTC No. 127004
>>126999
It is, that’s why the YDC said anything at all. But a weak jun-yusho plus a weak yusho might not cut it.
Not that win totals matter for yokozuna like they do for ozeki but ozeki are rarely promoted with less than 25 wins.
Since 1980, the only yokozuna promoted on a Y/J combination got at least 25 wins (and one of them was Onokuni, who was a bust)
Some 2000, the threshold has been 26 wins.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:30:59 UTC No. 127005
>>127004
This. 14-1, 15-0 and he’s earned the rope. 13-2 would be real iffy and I’d imagine his injury history would work against him.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:37:09 UTC No. 127007
>>127002
delusional
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:39:23 UTC No. 127008
>>127005
I think a 13-2 and he is Yokozuna.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:47:23 UTC No. 127009
>>127008
That’s the borderline case. 12-3 J + 13-2 Y didn’t work for him in 2020, or Kaio in 2004, for that matter.
If Terunofuji is out and Takakeisho is literally the only ozeki, 13-2 shouldn’t cut it.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:51:58 UTC No. 127010
>>127009
But iirc, the last time they said his jy wouldn't count as a yusho equivalent, while this time they said it does.
I think he is more proven now.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:53:11 UTC No. 127012
>>127008
>>127009
We also have to think about Takakeisho’s health. He looked pretty bad at the end of this basho and he’s due for another kyujo. He’s been pushing pretty hard the last three basho.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:00:51 UTC No. 127013
>>127010
Yes, but he still needs a “good” result. 13-2 means he still lost to two guys beneath him and faced zero guys at or above him.
It wouldn’t surprise me, but I remain skeptical.
The cynic in me thinks that this is the way the JSA can ensure they have the mandatory 2 ozeki on the banzuke, even if Terunofuji never fights again and Takakeisho’s constantly injured
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:08:23 UTC No. 127015
>>127013
On the other hand, who wouldn’t want to see the slowest, sweatiest dohyo-iri in history?
>squat, clap, rub hands
>stand
>take a breather
>walk to shikirisen, turn
>take another breather
>squat in unryu pose (brace yourself on your knee)
>(Christ this rope is heavy)
>Shuffle forward
>die of prolapsed mitral valve
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:02:07 UTC No. 127027
Takakeisho yoko after he gets next tourney
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:03:11 UTC No. 127028
>>127027
Imagine him doing dohyo-iri
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:30:13 UTC No. 127031
Dubs and every retard hamster shill dies tonight
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:35:30 UTC No. 127034
>>127031
My dubs say the hamster will smother while you sleep with his magnificent sideboobs.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:52:17 UTC No. 127041
dubs for MEISEI YUSHO
With two intai and Tokushoryu definitely either makushita or retiring himself, and not enough valid performances in makushita to promote, are they likely to just drop Kaisho and Tsushimanada to J14e/w respectively and only promote Asanoyama/Shonannoumi/Hakuyozan? Shiden, Tsukahara and Fujiseiun all dropped matches against demotion eligible Juryo rikishi and a 5-2 at Mk8 hasn't earned a promotion since the 30s
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 20:55:42 UTC No. 127044
>>127041
See >126896
There were still some good posts made while anon was having a seizure about injuries or something.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 21:00:20 UTC No. 127050
>>127044
Ah, I missed it in the mess of injury talk. Looks like 5-10 is a coin toss for demotion at J10 as well, so that all tracks. Bit unfortunate, all the poor starts or late-basho chokes sewered a bunch of decent promotion chances to really shake up juryo
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 21:03:24 UTC No. 127051
>>127050
It really did feel like a lot of rikishi just ran out of steam at the end of this basho.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 22:46:24 UTC No. 127076
>>126737
>These people don't realize that if got their way, sumo would be entirely populated by clones of Ichinojo
Kek man's spitting facts
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 22:53:28 UTC No. 127077
>>126951
>learn to behave yourself, you’ll be welcomed back with open arms.
Not him but FUCK YOU and your stupid self righteous bullshit. Go back to >>>/reddit/ with your bitch ass.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 23:30:32 UTC No. 127080
>>126959
>sisters
Fuck off with your "sister" shit, faggot.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 23:42:49 UTC No. 127084
Oh good, the schizo 16 year old who thinks everyone is a gay CIA spook and likes to pretend he's an oldfag is back
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 23:50:57 UTC No. 127088
>>127084
been 25/26 posters for a while
if they're back they've been back
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Nov 2022 23:52:30 UTC No. 127089
>>126957
>Feelings on the last basho?
Hoshoryu - Strong performance. Still not Ozeki level, but I think he has shown consistent improvement over time.
Wakatakakage - This was a bad basho for him imo. However, he still managed a KK having a shitty basho, so he could be a legit contender for another Japanese Ozeki.
Kiribayama - He's been pretty consistent and could be another candidate for Ozeki imo. Nice to see.
Midorifuji - KK from the Joi and once again showed a combination of strength and technique. This dude is just fun to watch, and I'm thinking he'll make san'yaku at least once.
Takayasu - Tears, as usual.
Wakamotoharu - This dude just seems to get stronger and more consistent with each basho. I think he is another dude that is a legit contender for Ozeki. He seems to have really relaxed with his sumo and shows both strength and intelligence when he fights.
Ryuden - Slowly but surely working his way up the banzuke. A silent threat.
Abi - IMO he has demonstrated that he is a legitimate threat to everyone on the banzuke. If he stays healthy and motivated, we could see him rise to join the Ozeki ranks.
Oho - Looking strong, which is nice to see from new blood.
Hiradoumi - Another strong performance from new blood.
Sadness for the old guard: Salt man otw back to Juryo, Chiyotairyu and his sideburns go intai, Ura's injuries are finally catching up to him, Takarafuji seems to have reached his limits, Tochinoshin is holding on by threads, we will miss them all as they depart.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 00:14:13 UTC No. 127093
>>126747
look at chiyoshoma, he's a henka machine but nowadays he often goes for the belt or a leg. Henka is hard to pull off if the opponent is expecting it, so really it should be used sparingly.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 01:00:01 UTC No. 127110
>>127093
>it should be used sparingly.
Use of the occasional henka allows a rikishi to remain somewhat unpredictable, which helps at the tachiai. Use it too often, and people will expect it, while if you never use it, than you become far too predictable.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 01:03:53 UTC No. 127112
promotion to Juryo announced:
Hakuyozan, Asanoyama, Shonannoumi
https://twitter.com/sumokyokai/stat
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 01:52:37 UTC No. 127120
>>127089
>we could see him rise to join the Ozeki ranks.
the people at the top know the flowchart. he won't make ozeki because of it
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 02:06:14 UTC No. 127122
>>126983
>I'm told that Jd14e Otani is the new one
He is.
Dame-oshing worse than Shishi.
Refusing to bow properly, worse than Neph, when things are not going his way.
Dude's not content with this low div fucking around.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 02:11:20 UTC No. 127123
>>126996
Something went wrong with him, when he got injured at m3. Momentum was gone, and he went from imminent sanyaku to double digit MKing in juryo.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 02:11:43 UTC No. 127124
>>127122
Hopefully someone from his stable will slap some sense into him before he hurts someone
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 02:22:29 UTC No. 127128
>>127124
>Hopefully someone from his stable will slap some sense
Miyagino oyakata, lel
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 03:11:57 UTC No. 127132
>>127124
Yeah Hokuseiho might just stand up or Enho will leg pick...
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 04:13:25 UTC No. 127142
>>127138
He could use some colorful mawashi. Plain ol' black suits big guys like Keisho. He needs red or orange. Or neon green, since he's Midori.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 06:18:16 UTC No. 127151
>>126769
Watch him break his damn neck on sleepynojo again
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 06:52:36 UTC No. 127155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV4
Hoshoryu theme song. When he reads uncle's angry twatter rants.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:42 UTC No. 127163
>>127157
Well, let's put it this way: of all the rikishi who had 10 or more yusho after 1909, only one (Musashimaru) was older than 26 when he was promoted to yokozuna.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:36:16 UTC No. 127164
>>127163
Pushers seem to peak and retire early. Hokutoumi was the last real oshizumo yokozuna, and he was done at 28. Tochiazuma, the last pure oshizumo ozeki, retired at 30.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:53:26 UTC No. 127165
highlights are up, 5 bouts each for Takayasu, Hoshoryu and Abi:
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoTo
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:28:15 UTC No. 127170
>>127041
Sekitori promotions were announced.
As expected, it was just:
- Asanoyama
- Shonannoumi
- Hakuyozan
Demotions will be announced with the release of the banzuke next month.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:42:26 UTC No. 127172
>>126928
he's not on the intai list yet
ok, he can retire any day, but at least he's still on the banzuke, and it looks like he'll benefit from some banzuke luck and get a nice spot on top of makushita and be back in juryo in no time :)
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:23:19 UTC No. 127182
>>127157
> He's barely older than that touted new gen of sumo.
His rise was tremendous, no doubt, but I also think that if he hadn’t made ozeki when he did, he never would have. He’s just so fragile. (He’s been kadoban 5 times already)
The run he’s on right now is really the first time he’s looked good over several tournaments in years.
For the last two years the pattern had been: good tournament, great tournament, kyujo…
Getting promoted to yokozuna would be the best thing for him since he could get his neck fixed and not worry about losing rank.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:29:30 UTC No. 127183
>>127182
>Getting promoted to yokozuna would be the best thing for him since he could get his neck fixed and not worry about losing rank.
he'll do a kisenosato and refuse to get surgery, then insist he has no regrets when he is forced to retire after a 4-6-50 yokozuna tenure
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:03:58 UTC No. 127188
>>127182
>if he hadn’t made ozeki when he did, he never would have.
He did 33 wins the last 3 basho.
I think this year even Terunofuji didn't do that.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:48:15 UTC No. 127193
>>127188
I know, what I’m referring to is how hard it would have been for him to retain rank in the time period since he became ozeki.
I mean, he went kadoban immediately and was an ozekiwake. Imagine if he’d only gone 9-6 in that 2019 Aki basho.
He’d be bouncing up and down the banzuke.
He’s on a yokozuna push right now because he knows this is his best shot and he might not get another. The next back injury could see him fall out of ozeki.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:36:44 UTC No. 127207
>>127193
his next back injury might already be here, it's just being kept under wraps by a cocktail of painkillers and in-house remedy
see: It took Abi like three tournaments to get a preexisting elbow/ankle issue fixed, and he missed a tournament healing. If the back issue is serious, he might just be delaying the inevitable as long as he can
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:28:50 UTC No. 127215
>>127207
Considering that he’s got more spots than a leopard by the end of the basho, it’s not that under wraps
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:49:32 UTC No. 127223
Takakeisho patrolling the streets for Hamburglar
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:45:17 UTC No. 127233
>>127224
where is his hat
did he eat it
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 06:55:41 UTC No. 127297
>>127224
he is going to look good as the next yokozuna
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:03:07 UTC No. 127313
Keisho haters how are y’all holding up knowing keisho is about to get the horizontal rope? I know muscle trannies are seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:11:18 UTC No. 127315
>>127297
>>127313
I just hope he can get healthy.
I miss the cannonball tachiai and those huge double-arm shoves. I know he's just trying to work around his injuries but his current style is just ugly.
Best case scenario, he ekes out a yusho, YDC is feeling generous, gives him the rope, and then he immediately goes kyujo to fix his neck, comes back and has a couple years of domination.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:53:41 UTC No. 127316
>>127313
He’s no closer now than he’s ever been. A 14-1 or zensho isn’t going to happen. Inb4
>B-b-but a 13-2 would get him the rope too!!!
No, that’s not what they said. Also we can extrapolate from past data to determine that a 13-2 wouldn’t be enough.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:59:53 UTC No. 127317
>>127316
>13-2
Consider also the quality of the competition. A 13-2 with a healthy yokozuna and even a replacement-level ozeki is very different than what a 13-2 from Keisho would be in January.
He's the only guy on top now. Anything short of a yusho would be a disappointment.
>14-1 isn't going to happen
Stranger things have happened
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:13:39 UTC No. 127318
>>127317
>stranger things have happened
I guess. We did just get through a third maegashitter yusho in a row.
>he’s the only guy on top now, anything short of a yusho would be a disappointment
Yeah, seeing him flop to the ground against remover or henkatakakage does not make me think “that’s our next yokozuna right there”. A convincing yusho in January, whatever that is, is his best chance though. I look forward to his incoming 10-5 and subsequent despair that comes with it
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:38:46 UTC No. 127323
>>127318
>A convincing yusho in January, whatever that is, is his best chance though.
I haven't read the YDC's statement and I don't speak Japanese well enough to understand the context of what they mean by "good performance".
We can only go by historical precedent and, in this case, a 13-2 wouldn't make it, a 14-1 or 15-0 should.
(Although if you remember Takanohana's 14-1Y/13-2J in 1993 or Musashimaru's 12-3J/15-0Y in 1994, those weren't enough. That was a different time, though, and the YDC was being much stricter back then, it seems.)
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:56:15 UTC No. 127325
>>127323
>I don't speak Japanese well enough to understand the context of what they mean by "good performance".
The YDC chairman actually quoted the Association instead of giving an opinion of his own.
The quote he provides phrases it as "it is possible we will request that [the YDC] consider the matter if he wins the yusho with an appropriately good record", which is comically hesitant language.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:58:15 UTC No. 127326
>>127324
>tsunatori
tsuna is the rope
is 'tori' the same as in ashitori, leg grab?
tsunatori is 'rope grab'?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:00:20 UTC No. 127328
>>127325
>it is possible we will request that [the YDC] consider the matter if he wins the yusho with an appropriately good record
LMAO, what a fucking non-answer.
We promise that we will do the same thing we always do when an ozeki gets a yusho or jun-yusho.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:00:48 UTC No. 127329
>>127326
Yes, just means a chance at yokozuna promotion.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:03:07 UTC No. 127330
>>127326
Exactly.
It's what we call a yokozuna push or a yokozuna run.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:07:06 UTC No. 127332
>>127331
Doesn't one of Takakeisho and Terunofuji have to be on the other side?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:11:13 UTC No. 127333
>>127332
I don't think so
it's a matter of millimeters on the printed banzuke
if they put Takakeisho on the right then Wakamotoharu is K3e
easy
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:14:12 UTC No. 127334
>>127332
>>127333
Takakeisho has to be on the west side of the banzuke. The Yokozuna/Ozeki ranks have to be 'in balance', equal amounts on both sides of the banzuke.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:32:24 UTC No. 127338
>>127331
>K3
That's happened once and it was in 1945 (so not exactly a stable time)
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:45:39 UTC No. 127339
>>127338
and last time we had 1Y+1O was 125 years ago, so?
it'd be amazing if they do the haridashi thing once more for this very special occasion; the banzuke would be an high valuable collectible
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:59:27 UTC No. 127340
>>127339
>and last time we had 1Y+1O was 125 years ago, so?
But those are two different circumstances. The lack of ozeki is something they cannot control. They couldn't force Shodai to win 8 matches.
They definitely can control how many extra komusubi slots they open.
You don't think Takayasu deserves sekiwake. That's fine, but historically (both all time and within the last 20 years) winning a jun-yusho from the upper maegashira ranks (1, 2, or 3) is as likely to be komusubi as sekiwake. There's no hard-and-fast rule.
Something like:
>O: Terunofuji - Takakeisho
>S: Hoshoryu - Wakatakakage
>S: Takayasu - Shodai
>K: Kiribayama - Kotonowaka
>K: Meisei - Wakamotoharu
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:59:42 UTC No. 127341
>>127339
Haridashi is what having more than 2 of any rank is - we still have it, but it isn't called that anymore. It's K2, instead of K HD.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:05:01 UTC No. 127343
>>127323
>Japanese well enough to understand the context of what they mean by "good performance
you don't need to. its easy to understand if you think of it like
>13-2 with a lose to an 8-7 finishing m10 ranking ura (the meat mound is 11-3 against him), a 2-13 shitdai, and no sanyaku over 10 wins
vs
>13-2 with a lose to 12-3 JY sekiwakatakakkage and still injured 11-4 redditnoreddit
basic sports shit
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:19:30 UTC No. 127344
Isn't an Yusho and an Yusho equivalent all it takes for an Ozeki to become Yokozuna.
If they considered last tournament a yusho equivalent, a 13-2 yusho should be enough.
Dunno why some people are so against Keisho being Yokozuna. He is clearly the 2nd best rikishi after Terunofuji and when healthy can compete with Terunofuji. No scandals.
And being Yokozuna would allow him to fix his neck.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:27:07 UTC No. 127346
>>127315
>I miss the cannonball tachiai and those huge double-arm shoves.
Was just rewatching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rje
Man, that was intense.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:27:10 UTC No. 127347
>>127344
>Isn't an Yusho and an Yusho equivalent all it takes for an Ozeki to become Yokozuna.
Yes, but "yusho equivalent" is a relative term. It doesn't just mean jun-yusho. That's the problem. Along with all the other subjective factors that the YDC takes into consideration.
The classic example of a yusho equivalent would be Terunofuji's 14-1 from last year. The only loss was to a yokozuna who went 15-0.
see: >>127323 for examples of impressive performances that didn't make it.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:28:55 UTC No. 127348
>>127347
I think they considered Keisho's last tournament "yusho equivalent"
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:34:27 UTC No. 127349
>>127348
it will be depending on how strong his next yusho is. a 12-3jy amd a 13-2y wasn't enough already.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:37:06 UTC No. 127350
>>127348
>I think they considered Keisho's last tournament "yusho equivalent"
"it is possible we will request that [the YDC] consider the matter if he wins the yusho with an appropriately good record"
They work backwards, not forwards.
If TKK wins in January with a dominant performance, then this past November will be a yusho equivalent. If he wins with a weaker performance (hypothetically, a 12-3 with a couple top rankers going out with injuries before they face him) then November will not be considered a yusho equivalent.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:45:36 UTC No. 127351
>>127348
>>127349
>>127350
The intent of the YDC statement was, I believe, to motivate Takakeisho.
>You control your own destiny. Don't half-ass it and rely on us to be generous. Crush everyone and take the decision out of our hands.
Also
>We don't want to be put in a position where we have to make a controversial decision. We don't want to have to admit we recommended a bad candidate, we don't want people saying we screwed a worthy candidate.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:30:17 UTC No. 127357
>>127344
Because second best is not good enough. What matters is the requirement and if he fulfills it. If teru retired and suddenly keisho is the best? Nothing. Because that's not how this works.
>can compete when healthy
yeah, that's also not good enough. An injury-prone takakeisho is what you have.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 17:24:29 UTC No. 127364
>>126803
I'd love to get inside the heads of Mita and Shodai. They're obviously not mentally strong, but how much of their shit was caused by classic Japanese culture would be interesting to know.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 17:46:54 UTC No. 127368
>>127364
With the case of Shodai, his health has probably contributed to it. He's a diabetic (many of them are) and he's admitted he's pretty bad about managing it. Diabetes can affect mood and energy levels.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 20:07:23 UTC No. 127383
>>127378
Hopefully that kid is good at sumo because otherwise his parents made him fat for nothing.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 20:49:18 UTC No. 127385
>>127383
At least that's not a life-ruining fatness like Takakeisho. That's standard white American build right there, he can recover
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:06:52 UTC No. 127396
>>127393
Have you seen his back sir. It’s not the back of a man having a good time
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:09:42 UTC No. 127397
>>127385
>That's standard white American build right there, he can recover
If he was in the US, that would be fine, but he's in a country that has a near pathological hatred of fat people.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:10:46 UTC No. 127398
>>127393
>he needed to take a break after getting winded climbing into the car.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:15:13 UTC No. 127400
>>127393
The only rikishi whose success makes me seethe is Hokuseiho, I'm merely speaking the truth. Watching Keisho's face go eggplant-colored and like he's a fish dying on land when the bouts go longer than a couple seconds past the tachi-ai is proof enough
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:38:51 UTC No. 127406
>>127355
Hope he retires soon he had a good run but it’s time.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 03:00:35 UTC No. 127459
>>127451
threads usually center around the top guy. there was a year of nonstop seething about terunofuji when he was based winning everything
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 06:22:19 UTC No. 127489
>>127323
This
If you take redditnofuji's promotion, he went Y, Y (ozeki), and 14-1J vs. 15-0 Hakuho.
13-2 ain't gonna cut it.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 06:39:31 UTC No. 127490
>>127400
Hokuseiho is just fighting smart. Lean on opponents until they get tired, then walk them out
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 06:49:36 UTC No. 127491
>>127490
When he starts using the other arm and demonstrating any technical skill whatsoever I'll change tack, but for right now it's the most visually unappealing sumo I've seen yet in salaried sumo and I've watched most of Terutsuyoshi's """bouts""" from this last basho. It just looks so fucking bad
I really hope Miyagino is just trying to get him to keep his cards close to his chest and save the technique for when he really needs it, because if this is actually close to how he intends to go for wins in makuuchi I'll be pissed that he'll occupy a 5 minute timeslot of my evenings for two weeks every couple months
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 07:36:34 UTC No. 127497
>>127491
>the most visually unappealing sumo I've seen
Nothing worse than watching the big men puss out and just wait for their smaller opponents to do something so they can react rather than taking control of the match using their greater size and strength. Screams "pussy".
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 08:01:56 UTC No. 127501
>>127497
Theyre terrified of their manlet opponents using their momentum against them. The thought of a sobrino-style leg trip is enough to keep them up at night
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 17:15:13 UTC No. 127542
Tochigiyama's kanreki dohyouiri. This was the second ever kanreki dohyouiri - the first wasn't filmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnD
Yokozuna Akinoumi is the tsuyuharai, and yokozuna Haguroyama is the tachimochi.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 17:25:30 UTC No. 127544
>>127008
>>127009
I would give him the rope if he got 13-2. There was only one 13-2 champion this year 12-3 is a yusho equivalent these days.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 17:40:21 UTC No. 127546
>>127544
>There was only one 13-2 champion this year
If you look at the yusho history, you'll see that this year was historically anemic. 2022 has been the first year since 1999 without a single 14-1 or better performance.
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Yusho.as
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:00:39 UTC No. 127550
>>127544
good thing your opinion doesn't matter then because you are a retard
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:32:40 UTC No. 127553
>>127544
you would give him your mouth to lick his asshole clean as his bidet
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:41:51 UTC No. 127554
>>127552
>Tetsuya Ochiai
He's had a strange path. Hasn't he been floating around amateur sumo for over a year?
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:48:07 UTC No. 127555
>>127554
It happens more often than not that guys extend their amateur sumo careers in an effort to enter at makushita or sandanme directly and get fast-tracked to sekitori.
It doesn't always work. Oho (then Naya Konosuke) tried to win one of the big four amateur tournaments in order to enter tsukedashi.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:52:33 UTC No. 127556
>>127552
Dang, he's hogging them all. A lot of potential sekitori for Miyagino.
Kawazoe will reach makushita this year, likely.
Otani will be there, eventually.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 20:19:35 UTC No. 127568
Why did Saltman fight if he was injured?
I remember when he forklifted Toshinoshin for a while.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 21:28:06 UTC No. 127570
>>127568
one or two wins would possibly help him stay above j10. they may even reward his fighting spirit for continuing even know he had people like ichinojo on the last day with a rank or so. who knows
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 22:52:48 UTC No. 127576
>>127542
>you will witness hakuho's kanreki dohyo-iri in your lifetime
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 23:39:01 UTC No. 127579
>>127576
Well he might die before he turns 65
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 06:14:29 UTC No. 127695
>>127579
60 not 65
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 18:49:59 UTC No. 127775
>>127771
How does one have sex with a man as fat as Takakeisho? Asking for a friend
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 18:53:15 UTC No. 127777
>>127775
Lots of cowgirl/reverse cowgirl
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 18:58:47 UTC No. 127779
>>127777
Quads of truth.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 20:07:53 UTC No. 127788
>>127775
takakeisho doesn't have sex. he is on permit no nutting to help form his ballsack body
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 20:59:03 UTC No. 127799
>>127788
Is that what made his pre-injury tachiai so powerful, the cum surging through his veins?
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 22:18:29 UTC No. 127812
based boomer Jason called out Chris on his latest video lmao. Chris you a bitch.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 22:30:18 UTC No. 127813
>>127812
Isn't Jason the guy who, in 2022, still records his sumo footage by literally pointing a camera at his TV?
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 22:48:19 UTC No. 127818
>>127813
peak boomery
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 23:11:35 UTC No. 127825
>>127812
The video is an hour long, what’d he say?
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 23:50:29 UTC No. 127837
>>127813
Yes, and this is what we call "soul". He really does remind me of early YouTube; no idea how to record, now idea to edit, and yet I'll still watch him ramble about sumo.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Dec 2022 10:51:21 UTC No. 127901
>>127825
He says something offhand about "other guys" disabling comments whenever they want to criticize someone.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 4 Dec 2022 16:46:21 UTC No. 127929
>>127916
Whichever made up country is presently acting as the primary Jewish vehicle will always spew regressive puritanism painted as progressive innovation - whether its the United Provinces, United Kingdom or United States
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Dec 2022 16:56:47 UTC No. 127931
>>127929
kill yourself tonight
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 4 Dec 2022 17:53:18 UTC No. 127936
>>127931
NO U. You fucking kike worshiping slave.
Lol, seething at being presented with the mundane reality of the world you live in.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 4 Dec 2022 18:00:30 UTC No. 127937
>>127916
Whichever country is presently acting as the primary Jewish vehicle will always spew regressive puritanism painted as progressive innovation - whether the United Provinces, United Kingdom or the United States.
Repeated since apparently some mod targets only that which provides some elucidation for the little people of the world in which they live.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Dec 2022 21:19:47 UTC No. 127963
>>127901
Based Dark Knight Gould living rent-free in Jason's giant head
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 05:54:29 UTC No. 128016
>>127963
Chris is literally terrified of any backlash from criticizing tochinoshin. All his other recent videos except that one have comments on. He's not even wrong but any opposition just lives rent free in his angloid head.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 11:51:35 UTC No. 128023
>>128016
Bro, you don't understand. Georgians are something else.
When their Georgian SHW weightlifter, a true gold medal contender, tested positive for roiding, they went nuts on the IWF Instagram account. Hundreds of thousands of abusive comments.
I'm not surprised that Chris is wary of allowing comments on any video where he says Tochi is ageing or weaker or anything. They take it personally. The only people more sensitive than Georgians are Iranians and Turks.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 12:42:10 UTC No. 128025
Daiki nakamura is fucking massive I would be sliding his family massive stacks under the table to get him in my stable
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 12:55:35 UTC No. 128029
>>128025
What does a stable get for having a successful wrestler?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 13:11:31 UTC No. 128030
>>128029
I imagine a slice out of everything. UFC fighters have to pay their coaches,cornermen, and gym fees.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 13:27:55 UTC No. 128031
>>128029
Think about a college football program (if you're American).
If a program gets a four star recruit, they'll do better on the field, which leads to better recruiting, sponsorships, etc, which leads to bowl game success, etc.
BUT, it also means that you'll attract more wealthy boosters who will donate to the program.
Stables are the same way. They have supporters clubs (which are a separate thing from a rikishi's supporters club) and those clubs will pass money and influence the stable's way.
Then, there's the direct way: straight cash. Every yen the rikishi makes, the stable gets a cut. (It's only fair, after all, since the stable is taking on a risk training you. They feed you, house you, etc. It's very hard to get rid of a wrestler, legally.)
All those envelopes after a match? Some of that goes straight into the oyakata's pocket. Same with prize money. Same with commercial sponsorships.
You can either do what Miyagino, Isegahama, Nishonoseki, etc do and establish recruiting pipelines of talent, or you can run a stable like Shikihide and live comfortably on JSA subsidies and do the absolute minimum.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 13:48:10 UTC No. 128032
>>128031
How do these succesful college wrestlers decide their stables or do they even have any control in it and they are just sold to the highest bidder by their coaches/schools?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 13:48:45 UTC No. 128033
>>128025
>I would be sliding his family massive stacks under the table to get him in my stable
I don't think we've touched on it much here, but oyakata do indeed do this to get guys. That is what surprises me about Hak's recent acquisition efforts. He's burning a lot of capital on blue-chip prospects, so I'd be curious to know what the stakes of their success/failure are, if anything.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 13:59:12 UTC No. 128034
>>128032
>How do these succesful college wrestlers decide their stables or do they even have any control in it and they are just sold to the highest bidder by their coaches/schools?
Just like college football. Coaches (or stablemasters) talk to the kid and his parents, detail how the can develop the kid's career. Show off the stable and its amenities. That huge stable that Kisenosato built in Ibaraki is a great recruiting tool.
And sometimes, the family gets some monetary compensation from the stablemaster in exchange for the kid signing on.
Other times, kids already know what stable they'll go to due to personal connections.
Oho, for example, was never going to go anywhere except his grandfather's stable. Abi had a relationship with Shikoroyama going back to high school. I can't imagine Kotonowaka could have imagined a scenario where he's not wrestling for his dad, etc.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 17:55:18 UTC No. 128056
Lads, how much long does Tochinoshin have?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 18:19:55 UTC No. 128057
>>128056
Assuming he retires as soon as he drops out of juryo,
Assuming he doesn't get injured and just goes intai then and there,
Then assuming he goes 6-9 for the rest of his career, between 6 and 8 tournaments. A single 8-7, however, could extend his career by another 3 tournaments.
As much as I love watching the big guy, he's clearly in pain and the quality of his sumo is going downhill fast. He was always a brawler, but he's been looking particularly artless the last few months.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 20:05:09 UTC No. 128063
>>128056
4 tourments
1 more 8-7
1 more 7-8
1 5-10(hearken the collapse)
1 1-14 shimanoumi style(retires)
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 20:21:28 UTC No. 128065
>>128063
>shimanoumi style
What the fuck happened to him? A year ago I thought it was a passing injury, but the man looks increasingly cooked.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 20:24:09 UTC No. 128066
>>128065
As you get older, you heal from injuries much slower.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 20:30:36 UTC No. 128068
>>128065
I think he's also got an eye towards retirement. In a combat sport, you can't be "thinking about it". You're either in or out.
He's married the daughter of the current Izutsu-oyakata and took her family name, so I'm guessing he's getting ready to take over that kabu, maybe even resurrect the stable. The Izutsu kabu is currently just being lent around but it's still held by Sakahoko's family.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 08:25:19 UTC No. 128129
https://youtu.be/pgs9Dpj8_oU?t=2079
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 13:49:02 UTC No. 128136
New ugly bastard kino just dropped
https://youtu.be/QZk9557suRQ
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 14:10:36 UTC No. 128137
How far would he get in sumo?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClJc
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 14:21:26 UTC No. 128140
>>128136
Chrissy G is a madlad for continuing this saga
Almost GenoSamual levels of Bullying-by-Documentary
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:53:21 UTC No. 128159
>more moriurara
JUST STOP
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 18:47:51 UTC No. 128169
lmao at that leddit guy that spent hours to calculate the all-time Elo ratings just to end up putting Shodai ahead of Kaio and Akebono
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 19:11:15 UTC No. 128172
>>128169
>That top 10
Lmao
>Tochinoshin 11
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Dec 2022 21:02:44 UTC No. 128179
>>128169
>"Top 100 Elo Ratings since 1965"
>Tokushoryu is 6 ranks higher than Chiyonofuji
absolutely LEGENDARY retard
when he was starting I pointed out how garbage his methodology was, he didn't listen, and now here we are
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Dec 2022 05:46:01 UTC No. 128236
>>128129
>That jumping henka in the first bout.
jfc...
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Dec 2022 05:48:08 UTC No. 128238
>>128236
the eight boat leap is no joke
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Dec 2022 11:26:40 UTC No. 128251
>>128237
Pre-roids or post-roids Chiyonofuji?
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 7 Dec 2022 17:58:15 UTC No. 128288
>>128251
Even that is contingent on when you assume Chiyonofuji started.
If Chiyonofuji started roiding in 1976 after he fell into makushita, his pre-roid sekitori record is:
>8 basho; 54 wins, 62 losses, 4 absences (46.55% win rate)
If Chiyonofuji started roiding in 1979 after he fell into juryo, his pre-roid sekitori record is:
>17 basho; 122 wins, 125 losses, 8 absences (49.39% win rate)
Tokushoryu's career sekitori record is:
>468-507, 0 absences (48.00% win rate)
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Dec 2022 18:00:52 UTC No. 128289
>>128251
Even that is contingent on when you assume Chiyonofuji started.
If Chiyonofuji started roiding in 1976 after he fell into makushita, his pre-roid sekitori record is:
>8 basho; 54 wins, 62 losses, 4 absences (46.55% win rate)
If Chiyonofuji started roiding in 1979 after he fell into juryo, his pre-roid sekitori record is:
>25 basho; 176 wins, 187 losses, 12 absences (48.48% win rate)
Tokushoryu's career sekitori record is:
>468-507, 0 absences (48.00% win rate)
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Dec 2022 20:51:57 UTC No. 128308
>>128169
>all-time Elo ratings
Wtf qrd and sauce, please!
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:43:55 UTC No. 128323
>>128310
>Harumafuji better than or even comparable with Asashoryu
>Kakuryu and Baruto are two of the greatest rikishi of all time
>Mitakeumi ahead of both Shodai AND Takakeisho
>Daieisho and Endo even in the fucking ballpark of anybody relevant
You could spend 20 minutes looking at this and keep finding more and more to laugh at
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Dec 2022 01:05:32 UTC No. 128337
>>128310
reamed out is a bit much, but yeah. why this nerd want to force elo is beyond me
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Dec 2022 03:30:04 UTC No. 128358
>>128310
>k-score of 35
>you can realistically gain 800 elo over the span of 3 or 4 good tournaments
At first I couldn’t figure out how he fucked it so badly, but this is probably why.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Dec 2022 16:20:15 UTC No. 128398
Sumo genius giving some tough love for Atamifuji
https://twitter.com/wakya33/status/
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Dec 2022 21:54:20 UTC No. 128440
>>128439
And quite a few aren't far behind, damn. It really was an old man's dohyo back then
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 00:23:40 UTC No. 128458
>>128439
lmaoing @ Mitakeumi, he couldn't do shit back then and he still can't do shit now with the easiest banzuke in 20 years.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 00:30:49 UTC No. 128459
>>128458
He was a competent sekiwake for over a year from late 2017-18
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 02:07:30 UTC No. 128470
>>128439
Makes me wonder what the most recent banzuke is where all listed wrestlers are now retired. I'm not sure if I really want to know, considering it still feels like Harumafuji retired a few months ago.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 02:27:28 UTC No. 128477
>>128470
Looks like the most recent basho where all the makuuchi rikishi are now retired was March 2008. Tochinoshin hit makuuchi in May 2008, and either he or Tamawashi (or both) have been in makuuchi for each basho since then.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 02:27:59 UTC No. 128478
>>128470
for makuuchi is March 2008, before Tochi debut
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 02:28:24 UTC No. 128479
>>128470
>the most recent banzuke is where all listed wrestlers are now retired
I checked. The answer is Natsu 1992. Sawaisamu, now 45 years old, began wrestling at age 15 in the next basho, Nagoya 1992. Aminishiki debuted four and a half years after Sawaisamu.
Runner-up mad-lads include Dairaidou, Yoshiazuma, and Tenichi.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 02:44:24 UTC No. 128485
>>128479
was checking too
Sawaisamu was Bg in May 1993 but that month is covered by the debuts of Terunosato and Tenichi
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:20:04 UTC No. 128541
>>128477
>Asashoryu has been retired for almost 13 years
this can't be real
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Dec 2022 16:57:11 UTC No. 128557
>>128439
if someone asks me which half+1 of the current makuuchi will be retired in 6 years I'd really struggle to find the answer; I can reach 17 names, but 22? no way
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 13:21:16 UTC No. 128662
>>128658
You just found out about him, eh?
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 16:03:58 UTC No. 128674
"The other wrestlers respect Moriurara."
Fucking Chris inserting his headcanon again. The other wrestlers openly make fun of guys like Moriurara. Even his stablemaster (Takatoriki) made fun of him, giving him a shikona that references a racehorse that never fucking won (Haru Urara)
Aside from being dogshit, the only interesting thing about Moriurara is that he's Taiho's last recruit. (Taiho's stable was fucking crap, though that may have been due to the fact he had a stroke when he was in his mid-30s.)
Motherfucker's only 35 too. JFC.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 17:41:57 UTC No. 128684
>>128423
2023 is kotonowaka’s year
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 17:51:03 UTC No. 128686
>>128658
ohhhhh boy, another manlet to overhype to yokozuna, but will never make sanyaku and drops to juryo after being figured out
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:08:45 UTC No. 128689
>>128662
>>128658
Not even the first black person in the sport
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:12:16 UTC No. 128690
>>128674
The first video showing him was cute. It was a "look at this weird retard who's complete fucking shit at the sport" feel but for some reason chris and his viewers/commenters try to brainwashing themselves into giving a shit about his performance. To give moriurara some credit he'd probably just laugh if he heard about his "fans" overseas.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 19:11:08 UTC No. 128703
>>128674
>the only interesting thing about Moriurara is that he's Taiho's last recruit
I don't know, I think it's fine to look at him as a sumo everyman. That itself is interesting. Chris is a moron but that doesn't change things.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 19:33:18 UTC No. 128705
>>128703
>I think it's fine to look at him as a sumo everyman
He's not a sumo everyman, though. He's historically bad.
He should rightly be looked at as a freak who stays in the sport because he's afraid of life on the outside world.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 20:04:10 UTC No. 128707
>>128690
chris saw that videos performance and now will spam him till he retires for views
chris is shit scum
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Dec 2022 21:07:50 UTC No. 128713
>>128674
>Fucking Chris inserting his headcanon again.
That's why I unsubbed as soon as I got a basic understanding of the sport
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Dec 2022 21:01:54 UTC No. 128779
>>128674
They respect Mori more than us backseat sumo fans because he does, at least, get up everyday and train.
They don't respect him very much, but that was Chris's point. And he's probably correct?
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Dec 2022 21:20:54 UTC No. 128781
>>128779
>but that was Chris's point.
No, Chris, that was the narrative you wrote in your own head. Stick to facts. If you didn't insist on your fanfiction, you wouldn't have to constantly turn comments off.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Dec 2022 21:28:06 UTC No. 128784
>>128781
this. its plainly obviously Chris never played a sport or possibly ever did physical activity in his life. the dude is the crazy retard that you want to make quit because you can't boot him from the team
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Dec 2022 21:49:02 UTC No. 128787
>>128779
Why would anybody want to train with him? What would he provide in training? Hanakaze was a beaten boomer but he at least was a good cook.
I recall Chris himself hinting that fellow stablemates are worse bullies when he recorded Kisenosato trying not to smirk at jonidan shitters when he was a ringside judge. More Chris lore probably but it at least made sense. Oho needs someone with at least some potential to wrestle against I highly doubt he'd give a fuck if moriurara quit one day.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Dec 2022 21:55:42 UTC No. 128788
>>128787
>Oho needs someone with at least some potential to wrestle against I highly doubt he'd give a fuck if moriurara quit one day.
I was just thinking the same thing. How is Oho ever going to develop skills when he's got literally no one at his stable to train with? Ordinarily, he'd be able to visit other stables, but that's only started up again recently. His entire professional career so far has been basically under coof-lockdown. The fact that he's made it as far as he has is impressive.
Oho's got high school connections at other stables and seems to be, by all accounts, a pretty well-liked kid. If he starts training more regularly at places like Tokiwayama (he was Takakeisho's high school tsukebito) or Sadogatake (he was classmates with Kotonowaka and Kotoshoho) he might actually be able to develop the skills to match his body.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:21:52 UTC No. 128791
>>128788
>The fact that he's made it as far as he has is impressive.
Seriously.
Otake stable is dogshit. They can't recruit. The stable is run by the only guy in the JSA who never made it into makuuchi.
Under normal circumstances, they would have shuttered the stable after Takatoriki got booted. I'm guessing they didn't want to do that to Taiho's stable (certainly not while he was still alive)
Pic related. These are Oho's stablemates at the time he entered sumo. The only maegashira on that list, Osunaarashi, would be fired within a few weeks.
I actually feel bad for Oho. He's all the genetic gifts to be great. He's got all the pressure that comes with the name. He's getting no support. Grandpa's dead, father's a fuckup. Stable's shit. I hope he has people in his supporters club looking out for him.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Dec 2022 04:08:58 UTC No. 128819
I'd like to highlight a reddit sumo moment from the other week they still haven't noticed
>Asahi headline reads 'It's Possible There Could Have Been A Life-Threatening Incident [had the tomoe-sen continued], And What The Association Needs To Do About It'
>machine translation spits out 'Takayasu's "Life-Threatening Accident," Doctor Says'
>posters engaged in panicked rhetoric about a coverup, claim Takayasu's mother is a liar in on a JSA conspiracy for writing that he's fine
peak comedy
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:17:55 UTC No. 128835
>>128819
>reddit
>not even once.
Did that Asahi News article come to any conclusions?
If this turns into a scandal (big 'if') then I could imagine the JSA could do something like American football where you'd have an independent neurologist examine the wrestlers if they've taken a knock on the head and give the doctor the authority to pull the wrestler.
Similar to how they created the independent YDC but for brain trauma.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:28:30 UTC No. 128855
>>128852
Oho and Hoshoryu made the poster. That's cool for them.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:33:49 UTC No. 128856
>>128855
>Hoshoryu
Chiyoshoma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:42:44 UTC No. 128857
>>128856
lol. You're right. My memory has been reduced to mush.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:51:11 UTC No. 128858
uncle Aminishiki is searching for talents to join his new stable; if you are younger than 23, and 167cm / 67kg or more, just go!!!
https://www.ajigawa.com/deshi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajiga
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:50:22 UTC No. 128954
Lucas-Kazuo Iima (183cm, 155kg, 23, rugby background) has joined new Ajigawa-beya (ex-Aminishiki) and will be starting sumo in january. He is brazilian who moved to Japan with his parents and got Japanese nationality in his third year of university.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Dec 2022 10:18:13 UTC No. 128955
>>128954
Since he's a Japanese national, he doesn't count towards the foreigner limit right?
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Dec 2022 12:36:18 UTC No. 128957
>>128955
IIRC, if you're 1st or 2nd generation descendant from Japanese, the foreigner limit doesn't apply to you. I think this was the case with Kaisei. His grandparents were Japanese so he counted as Japanese even if his shusshin was Brazil. His stable had a Mongolian while he was still active.
This kid's got a Japanese name "Kazuo", so he's probably part of the Japanese diaspora. Probably explains how he got citizenship so quickly too.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Dec 2022 05:23:21 UTC No. 129069
>>129065
Konishiki will die young to pay for his crimes
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Dec 2022 06:00:16 UTC No. 129074
>>129069
What, be foreign?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Dec 2022 12:38:08 UTC No. 129086
>>128953
>"Fool! You thought the vertical henka only existed in theory?"
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Dec 2022 22:53:36 UTC No. 129130
>>129074
Right
And also being too fat
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 00:33:45 UTC No. 129147
is Musashimaru right? Is oshizumo harder than yotsuzumo?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 16:20:28 UTC No. 129207
>>129147
>Is oshizumo harder than yotsuzumo?
Maybe it is harder to be successful at the highest levels as a pure pusher. It's so physical that any kind of injuries slow you down moreso than on the belt. Like, if you're a belt wrestler and your shoulder hurts, you can still work around that, avoid certain techniques or something; but if you're a pusher, anything that hampers the strength of your pushes completely fucks you.
Plus, at the highest levels, the other guys know how to better defend against pushing and you can't rely on simply being the biggest kid in the ring.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:02:56 UTC No. 129242
>>129207
>at the highest levels, the other guys know how to better defend against pushing and you can't rely on simply being the biggest kid in the ring.
But the Pacific Islanders are the perfect example of doing exactly that.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:06:27 UTC No. 129243
>>129242
Even Akebono switched to being a belt wrestler later in his career when injuries started to hamper him. Plus, he was also extremely skilled. Also, that's a pretty small sample size.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:16:31 UTC No. 129244
>>129243
I agree, but my point was one can hardly support the notion of oshi being harder with that argument. Clearly, it has been possible for some rikishi to bowl guys over with little more than sheer mass.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:21:11 UTC No. 129245
>>129244
I think the first point in >>129207 is more important to the argument: it's not harder to be pusher-thruster, but it is harder to be more successful, which is why the style is proportionally under-represented historically at the yokozuna and ozeki ranks.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:54:44 UTC No. 129249
>>129245
But that's an entirely different point. On that, I would argue that oshi is easier but has a lower ceiling, yotsu is harder but has a higher ceiling.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 23:04:06 UTC No. 129250
>>129249
What do you mean? The ceiling is the ceiling: yokozuna.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 23:08:08 UTC No. 129252
>>129250
Yes, and oshi almost never actually reaches yokozuna. Implying the ceiling of the skill which is oshizumo is lower.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 23:09:56 UTC No. 129253
>>129252
which means that Musashimaru was right: oshizumo harder than yotsuzumo
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Dec 2022 23:11:23 UTC No. 129254
>>129253
>>129249
>I would argue that oshi is easier but has a lower ceiling, yotsu is harder but has a higher ceiling
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:20:17 UTC No. 129355
>>129321
No he's following wrasslers around to hicktowns like a roadie
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 21:14:33 UTC No. 129399
>>129380
That looks like Hakuho's pinky.
I don't know enough to say if it's legitimate.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 21:24:40 UTC No. 129402
>>129380
I think those characters in the top right spell it out. That bottom character is "yama" but I don't know any others.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 22:08:50 UTC No. 129407
>>129380
It says Hakuhou in clear kanji in the bottom left. If you can't be arsed with kanji, try to learn Japanese numbers, which is easier. Right above that it gives you the yokozuna number, and since Hakuhou is the 69th yok, you can google that and get the answer without having to ask anyone for help.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 22:28:26 UTC No. 129409
>>129399
>>129402
Its hak's. Real deal
>>129407
most people don't read moonrunes.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 22:37:23 UTC No. 129410
>>129409
>most people don't read moonrunes.
Yes, but it's not hard to learn their numbers 1-99. There are only ten characters used in that entire set.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 22:41:29 UTC No. 129411
>>129410
I can't even see where the numbers are in there.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 23:10:53 UTC No. 129422
>>129418
Oh, I can recognize the characters when printed out, but any kind of calligraphy throws me for a loop.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Dec 2022 23:11:54 UTC No. 129425
>>129422
Good, so that's all you need.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:18:56 UTC No. 129469
The Mongolian invasion of sumo is over, asanoyama and takakeisho are the kamikaze that will lead the way for a new era of Japanese wrestlers!!!
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:46:18 UTC No. 129474
>>129469
>takakeisho
more like the divine winded
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:46:59 UTC No. 129475
>>129469
>who are oshoma and hokuseiho
I hope your post is ironic. I don't really like mongols dominating the top of sumo either, but there seems to be a crop of them always bent on doing exactly that.
t. person who hates Hokuseiho but understands that being 6'8 is pretty great for being good at sumo
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 05:37:30 UTC No. 129497
>>129469
>The Mongol invasion of sumo is ov-ACK
Asanoyama'll be 29 before he even gets back to makuuchi and Keisho is basically praying his 12-3 was good enough for the first half of a yokozuna bid because his body is straining to stay functioning while doing light physical movement. I don't think the actual hopes for the next generation of top rikishi are any stronger for Japan than they are for Mongolia - a reasonably capable young guy or two near the top already, several strong prospects in or around juryo, and a few wait-and-follows with promising starts or backgrounds coming up from the shitter divs
Honestly if nephew's turned a corner I'd wager on him hitting yokozuna before Asa and Keisho
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 05:45:44 UTC No. 129499
>>129497
those recent beasts seen in amazumo are quite impressive
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 06:50:00 UTC No. 129506
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKE
New Chris headcanon just dropped.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 08:46:29 UTC No. 129517
>>129506
this was retarded.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 09:11:23 UTC No. 129519
>>129506
jesus christ the lines about isegahama
what a fucking clown chris is
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 09:40:27 UTC No. 129520
>>129519
and, because chris gould does no research, unsurprisingly he's not even close to correct about it
an M15 surviving demotion with 6-9 has happened five times since 2018, three of which were before Isegahama was even on the banzuke committee - and one of them was Terutsuyoshi!
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 21:11:38 UTC No. 129565
>>129540
He gets 15+ thousand views per video and I'm supposed to care about 3 fewer?
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Dec 2022 06:36:18 UTC No. 129783
>>129506
Chris dementia aside, I had no idea saltman had diabetes. How is that even possible? He's skinny and looks healthier than the average 70% lard rikishi. Makes me wonder how many of them have diabetes considering the irregular performance.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Dec 2022 13:58:39 UTC No. 129807
>>129783
>How is that even possible?
Genetics. Some people are just fucked carrying any kind of weight, muscle or fat.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:20:51 UTC No. 129813
>>129783
>Makes me wonder how many of them have diabetes considering the irregular performance.
Diabetes is incredibly common among rikishi.
Shodai's erratic performance over the last year or so has been partially blamed on his poor management of his diabetes.
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Dec 2022 05:18:31 UTC No. 129879
>>129870
Incredible the aesthetic he has with just a simple suit
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Dec 2022 05:27:07 UTC No. 129880
Can’t wait for asa to be back his style of sumo is pretty nice
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Dec 2022 06:15:45 UTC No. 129980
>>129976
I barely got to see him before he was perma-injured and only saw him perform a full basho when he made his final zensho, and I still miss him so much, bros...
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:25:48 UTC No. 129984
>>129800
I miss the bird's eye camera view
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:28:15 UTC No. 129991
>>129972
thank you as always for bringing these images from the past, I really like them.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Dec 2022 18:57:29 UTC No. 130015
>>130007
>Does a traitor still have supporters in the land of honor?
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Dec 2022 19:55:43 UTC No. 130018
>>130015
What did Chad do besides not marrying that news lady.
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Dec 2022 00:02:25 UTC No. 130038
>>130007
hes not involved with the sumo association so def wouldnt be at the kokugikan. i dont see him living another 7 years or being able to do it
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Dec 2022 01:21:07 UTC No. 130040
>>130015
>>130038
>hes not involved with the sumo association so def wouldnt be at the kokugikan
Just so that everyone knows - the NSK has nothing to do with these kinds of events. Danpatsushiki and kanreki dohyouiri have always been private affairs funded and put on by the rikishi and his supporters. The ones you see take place at the Kokugikan are only there because the wrestler has literally rented the Kokugikan for the event, rather than NSK sanctioning.
Also, if anyone thinks that doing a kanreki after ditching the Association is a faux pas - Tachiyama, the inventor of the kanreki dohyouiri, had ditched the NSK a year after his intai. Even Akebono spent longer as an oyakata than he did.
>>130018
He got tattoos and went into MMA, which made some people mad at the time. Has no bearing on any of this though, since he retained a massive following.
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Dec 2022 01:56:19 UTC No. 130041
Miyaginobeya, May 1919.
Misugiiso trains with oozeki Chibagasaki. Asogatake watches in the background. Not one of the three is a Miyaginobeya rikishi.
At the time, not every heya had its own ring, so degeiko could be necessary to get in any training at all. However, because of the East-West battle rules, a rikishi couldn't simply go anywhere: he'd have to find a heya of his side to practice in. As such, Miyagino was one of a few hub heyas.
The gathered crowd in the heya watching the keiko is also worth acknowledging.
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:33:18 UTC No. 130086
>>129982
Great stuff, I love watching Hak highlights. May we live to see his like again
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Dec 2022 19:34:43 UTC No. 130128
>>130125
Worry? If he doesn't go 14-1Y or something in January, I frankly expect it
I don't see how his body could even pull off the yokozuna dohyoiri, Teru and Hak had no knees but they could roughly improvise with the worst parts of the stomping and crouching since the rest of their body was fine. Takakeisho's case really seems to me that doing that would put him on a ventilator at the best of times
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Dec 2022 19:49:17 UTC No. 130131
>>130125
Is that Takakeisho's score or the guy he's with?
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Dec 2022 22:56:31 UTC No. 130158
>>130125
i'm pretty sure people used to say the same things about Konishiki, yet he made it out alive.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 04:02:30 UTC No. 130175
>>130158
Didn’t he lose a ton of weight after leaving sumo
>Takakeisho will go the way of Konishiki
Based?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 04:02:30 UTC No. 130176
>>130158
But Konishiki put on most of that weight as an adult, while he was training. Takakeishou has been morbidly obese since he was in elementary school. And, from what I've seen, Konishiki had an easier time breathing.
It's very easy to imagine that the childhood abuse has left Takakeishou with unacknowledged underlying heart/respiratory problems.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:31:53 UTC No. 130196
January 1919.
Because of a ban on rikishi enjoying the nightlife, Dewanoumi oyakata (yokozuna Hitachiyama) had a gentlemen's club constructed outside of the heya for his rikishi - for "the betterment of their character". Naturally, this included a billiards table and "various other forms of entertainment". Sumo would see a billiards craze grow among the rikishi over the next decade.
Pictured from right to left are: Kunigaiwa, Utsunomiya, Shakagatake, Hitachiyama, Tatenoya (who is holding Hitachiyama's son), yokozuna Tochigiyama, and Tsushimanada.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:49:01 UTC No. 130197
>>130196
>>130041
thanks history anon
if you open a tumblr to collect all these history bits it'll be a huge success; use this as a reference (notice the sources, the translations of post from twitter etc.): https://thekimonogallery.tumblr.com
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 07:45:33 UTC No. 130202
>>130175
he could lose 300lbs and still be a fat fuck.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 10:09:36 UTC No. 130206
>>130125
Is there a reason why golf is popular among wrestlers, or is it just popular in general in Japan
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 13:41:15 UTC No. 130211
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/
Hakuho discusses 2022/2023
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 14:14:50 UTC No. 130214
>>130206
the latter
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 22:05:47 UTC No. 130252
>>130206
Asians, particularly older businessmen, love golf because they see it as sophisticated.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 22:36:21 UTC No. 130253
>>129380
What's the best place to purchase a tegata? I know they're produced en masse, so it can't be too difficult.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 22:46:01 UTC No. 130255
>>130253
The prints they mass produce can probably be picked up on evay or a sumo reseller. I got my print from the 2019 Nagoya basho I went to for like 25 dollars. The one you replied to is a real print that I picked up from bigsumofan. Real prints are much harder to find
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 23:10:20 UTC No. 130258
>>130125
Is he standing on his toes to make himself look taller?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Dec 2022 23:18:21 UTC No. 130259
>>130258
looks that way. you can see his calf flexed. It could be some fatty balancing thing too
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Dec 2022 14:04:46 UTC No. 130304
1922. More complaining about muscle definition, but this time featuring hakujin!
The title reads "Look at these underdeveloped muscles".
The author says that the two rikishi on the right, yokozuna Oonishiki and M3 Kyuushuuzan, "make one think of the ancient rikishi you'd see in old woodblock prints" (meant as an insult). Men like this enjoy bumping each other with their fat, meaty bellies. Now compare how they look, he says, to the JACKED American wrestler, "Santel", the man on the right side of the left picture.
This appears to be a photograph of Ad Santel. The year prior, he had dunked on a number of prominent judo practitioners in Japan - that was still very much in the public memory, and had engendered something of an insecurity about Japan's martial arts.
Anyway, this is another addition to the 'times throughout history people got mad about rikishi looking fat' collection.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Dec 2022 18:33:36 UTC No. 130346
>>130304
Would Santel have beaten the Yokozuna of the time in a sumo match?
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Dec 2022 21:27:44 UTC No. 130355
>>130346
Depends on the ruleset, I'd bet.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 02:16:13 UTC No. 130370
>>130358
Merry Christmas, /sumo/! Banzuke soon.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 02:17:14 UTC No. 130371
Merry Christmas, /sumo/! Banzuke soon.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 03:01:33 UTC No. 130376
Merry Christmas to all /sumo/ (shit)posters.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 07:30:52 UTC No. 130396
>>130346
No. Sumo was already a complete pursuit whereas judo was still being invented, which is why he'd managed to win at all.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 09:18:35 UTC No. 130398
>>130375
Mad to imagine Hak rocking out to the Hu (like i do)
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 14:52:31 UTC No. 130410
get a load of kage love
https://grandsumobreakdown.wordpres
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sumo/comme
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 15:05:25 UTC No. 130411
>>130371
>Banzuke soon
midnight in Japan
it's banzuke day already!
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 19:19:51 UTC No. 130425
>>130410
>Hokuseiho third-most popular Juryo rikishi
If the world is with Hokuseiho then I am against the world
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 19:53:14 UTC No. 130430
>>130410
Damn that's re**ddit
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Dec 2022 20:07:50 UTC No. 130433
>>130410
>Midorifuji in well liked
Why
>Takakeisho controversial
>Okinoumi and Myogiryu in generally unfavorable
>Shodai disliked
Yep, its peak reddit
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 00:12:59 UTC No. 130457
>>130454
Watamotoharu is unstoppable, holy shit. Another 9-6 and he'll be in Sekiwake. He'll probably take up Shodai's spot when his plan inevitably fails.
Also, Terutsuyoshi is J10w.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 00:18:01 UTC No. 130458
>>130454
>8 komusekis
Probably because they want to draw crowds because of a sole ozeki and absent yoko? Either way the traffic jam up top is ridiculous.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 00:27:56 UTC No. 130459
>>130458
might be maximizing the chance for new ozeki runs. it would be cool to see yasu make ozeki again. think they give it back to him with +10 in these next two basho
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 00:42:24 UTC No. 130460
>>130454
The baby faced assassin kotonowaka third generation sanyaku!!!!This is honestly long overdue but I hope this gives him a big mental boost
Kotonowaka has all the skills to make ozeki or better!
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 00:49:58 UTC No. 130461
>check kotonowaka’s old instagram
>check his last posted ig post
>it’s like by ALOT of jp cuties
I wish I was a sumo I bet a lot of wrestlers date cuties.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 03:52:39 UTC No. 130476
>>130461
Just look at Takakeishos
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:09:30 UTC No. 130478
>>130458
>>130459
I think it's more a matter of you had to do it. It was either that or start demoting people for winning records/leaving people in place for 9 or 10 win records. M1 was a logjam like I haven't seen in a long time.
We all know they don't like opening new sanyaku slots unless they are completely forced to.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:16:25 UTC No. 130479
>>130459
>think they give it back to him with +10 in these next two basho
Maaaybe they might, since he's a former ozeki, he might get the benefit of doubt. Starting an ozeki run from komusubi is fairly common. Starting one from M1 is an edge case. It's only happened twice in the modern era and not since 1985 (and it was Futahaguro).
One of those has to be a big one. If he goes 10-5, 10-5 in the next two basho, he'd be on 32 and the 12 would have come from M1. If he gets to 33, though, I think his former ozeki status might be enough to let the M1 thing slide.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:22:02 UTC No. 130480
>>130479
>Starting an ozeki run from M1 ... only happened twice in the modern era and not since 1985
Did you run a search for M1 only? Because Terunofuji and Tochinoshin both started a run from below M1. Possibly there are more examples, but those are the two I remember.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:26:30 UTC No. 130481
>>130480
Oh, yeah. I forgot about Terunofuji's 2015 run.
Tochinoshin I considered an outlier since his run started with a yusho (14-1 from M3) and Takayasu's never getting one of those.
Actually, Terunofuji's was pretty odd too. If I remember, he was like 8-7 from M2 or 3 but literally everyone ahead of him got an MK so he got promoted to S1 but then followed it up with a yokozuna-worthy performance.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:34:37 UTC No. 130482
>>130479
>>130480
query. picrel
It's definitely not normal, like >>130481 suggests, you need to have something really impressive for it to be considered. Given the state of the ozeki corps at the moment, the banzuke committee might be charitable.
We're probably getting ahead of ourselves, though. It's been a long time since 'Yasu has been able to put in back-to-back-to-back double digit performances, and there's a lot more wear and tear on his body now than in 2017.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:37:22 UTC No. 130484
>>130481
>Takayasu's never getting one of those.
Here is Takakeisho to remind you that yuusho equivalence is all you need for that horizontal rope
>no, i won't win 2 in a row. i don't need to
-takakeisho dec 10 2022
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:39:56 UTC No. 130485
>>130484
Sorry, there must be some mistake. We were talking about TakaYASU, not TakaKEISHO. Don't worry about it. So many Takas can get confusing.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:48:06 UTC No. 130487
>>130486
>found the guys who were fast tracked interesting. wonder why
Because it was a different era. Shit before then wasn't as formalized.
Stick to the 6-tournament era.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:51:03 UTC No. 130488
>>130486
Nothing before 1958 is relevant to the discussion.
For the record, I would also like to see Keisho's adorable, roly-poly dohyo-iri and so I hope he gets his white rope.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:54:16 UTC No. 130489
>>130487
no shit, i can figure that much. im talking about was there politics/family connections, was someone expected to do really well, etc.
the 1917 and up ones specifically
>>130488
again, no shit. i never said it was relevant to a possible takayasu promotion.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:55:56 UTC No. 130490
>>130489
so...you just wanted to do a little keisho shitposting?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:57:20 UTC No. 130491
>>130486
Sumo did not have 6 basho a year until well after that, so promotions/demotions could be more radical, and would sometimes depend on the actual quality of sumo exhibited.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 05:07:14 UTC No. 130495
>>130489
>the 1917 and up ones
Chibagasaki was seen as a potential yokozuna at first, but never quite made it. Tachihikari was a personally recruited student of the big-time yokozuna Tachiyama, so there were probably sizable expectations on him, too. Futabayama and Maedayama both did make yokozuna, so presumably some degree of their potential was apparent by the time they were in makuuchi.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 05:14:56 UTC No. 130497
>>130491
>>130495
>actual quality of sumo exhibited.
>potential
pretty much what i was wonder about.
>>130490
no, of course not. zero shitposting about yusho equivalent and yokozuna promotions in march
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 12:57:25 UTC No. 130514
>>130510
>you do NOT want a J-J yokozuna
wrong. i want all the accompanying seethe that will come with a J-Y yokozuna takakeisho. the saltmine created wouldn't run dry for years
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 13:17:17 UTC No. 130515
>>130514
>the saltmine created wouldn't run dry for years
True, but you'd probably have to go to reddit to find all that salt and, I don't know about you, but I have no interest in that site.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 13:28:19 UTC No. 130516
>>130515
do you not go to the sp threads. takakeisho hate is mooning
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 13:31:54 UTC No. 130517
>>130516
There's one Dutch (?) poster who hates Keisho, but other than that, I don't see more or less hate for Keisho than any other top-level guy. /sp/ usually reflexively hates anyone at the top, unless posting that you like that guy makes everyone else mad.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:07:40 UTC No. 130520
>Ichinojo banned from January
damn
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:11:20 UTC No. 130521
Isegahama has stepped down from a riji position because of bullying in his stable. Two lower ranking wrestlers were bullying another and one of them is forced to retire while other is suspended for one basho
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:11:49 UTC No. 130522
>>130520
>investigating his alleged beating of the Oyakata's wife
>see that he broke covid protocol two fucking years ago
>banned for a tournament
Absolutely retarded.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:16:09 UTC No. 130524
>>130522
>investigating his alleged beating of the Oyakata's wife
glad to know you don't know what you're talking about but will still pass judgment on it
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:20:14 UTC No. 130525
>>130524
Enlighten me fag
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:37:39 UTC No. 130526
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:37:52 UTC No. 130527
>>130525
The investigation was concerning Ichinojou being a degenerate alcoholic and missing training. That was why Minato reported him to the Kyoukai. The yellow press then dredged out the okamisan story, deliberately neglecting to mention that it happened once 5+ years ago and apparently was not malicious. In going over the case, the Kyoukai discovered that Ichinojou had been going out to drink during lockdowns, and has suspended him accordingly. Ignoring it would be to tell the rikishi that anything goes if you aren't caught. Seemingly they haven't resolved the matter of his training yet, or perhaps it's been settled quietly in which case we'll never hear about it again. The okamisan thing was tertiary from the start.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:41:59 UTC No. 130528
>>130522
Well I think now we can suss out how their covid protocol punishment system works lmao.
ozeki + hostess club = 6 basho
sekitori + hostess club = 3 basho
sekitori + the local pub = 1 basho
Those old Boomers at the JSA must really not like hostesses.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:43:03 UTC No. 130529
>>130527
Thank you, fag. That was a good explanation.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:48:05 UTC No. 130532
>>130527
Thanks fag
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 15:05:08 UTC No. 130533
>>130528
Which, let's face it, is quite based. Whores.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 15:35:40 UTC No. 130534
>>130529
you're welcome
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 16:41:41 UTC No. 130536
>41 points on guess the banzuke
Oof.
Hopefully a lot of people didn't also guess 4 sekiwake + 8 komusubi.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:10:54 UTC No. 130540
Oh dang. Isegahama is cancelled. Wild.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:17:48 UTC No. 130541
>>130458
>>130536
Where are people getting eight komusubi from? There are four komusubi and four sekiwake. I guess you can say that there are eight sanyaku minus Terunofuji and Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:22:13 UTC No. 130542
>>130541
komuseki is slang for the combined junior sanyaku ranks. There's four of each or eight in total.
When people were guessing how the rankings would shake out, most people were guessing there would be between six and eight. Historically speaking, eight must be among the highest total ever.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:29:28 UTC No. 130543
Harumafuji, Mongolia, present day, from Asashoryu's Twitter account.
My boy's looking pretty trim. He was never the heaviest guy when he fought, but he looks like he's dropped 30 kilos.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:31:15 UTC No. 130544
>>130542
Oh, I see. Thank you.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:33:29 UTC No. 130545
>>130543
VGH - MONGOLIA
HOME
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:40:28 UTC No. 130547
>>130546
No, he only resigned from the board of directors. It's effectively a demotion.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:12:34 UTC No. 130551
>>130546
No, he has (he had) a number of roles. He was a member of the board of directors, judging committee, etc.
He resigned his position as riji (director). When the board has its next meeting, he may or may not be reassigned to a different committee.
He more or less had to resign. If he stood his ground, then everyone would have looked bad. He looks bad because the wrestlers in his stable are out of control; and the board looks bad because they have to discipline one of their most respected members, which implies that they are not good at picking effective leaders.
On the other hand, by resigning, he can admit that his responsibilities as director were causing him to lose focus on his wrestlers and the board can look reasonable by issuing no further punishment. Everything is more harmonious this way.
The interesting part will happen next. Isegahama may have lost his directorship, but he's still very powerful politically within the JSA. If he gets an assignment from the prestigious judging committee and reassigned to the, say, regional tour organizing committee, then you'll know that one or more groups will be working against him to blunt Isegahama's influence within the JSA.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:37:48 UTC No. 130553
>>130551
Can he become a chairman in few years, with this kind of blemish on he reputation?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 19:14:14 UTC No. 130554
>>130553
Probably. I dunno if he'll really want it though. Hakkaku is younger and seems to be liked enough to be reelected.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Dec 2022 20:11:45 UTC No. 130570
>>130553
He can still regain his spot on the board of directors, but he's 62 and nearing the retirement age of 65 (not including those extra 5 years you can stay on as a consultant) so it's unlikely that he could get elected to a position that he would not spend much time in.
For that matter, it was unlikely that he would have been elected chairman even if this whole scandal had never occurred, again, simply due to his age.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 08:48:08 UTC No. 130622
Watched the full day 15 of the last basho with my grandma yesterday, she really enjoyed it
When Takayasu lost she went "Poor fella, he's old as fuck, he's never going to win again"
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 10:36:32 UTC No. 130633
>>130460
Kotonokaka 6-9 fall back into maegashira incoming
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 12:13:04 UTC No. 130637
>>130636
hostess < host
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 13:06:27 UTC No. 130644
>>130622
'Yasu is just 32. Still.. got... time...
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 14:44:15 UTC No. 130648
>>130644
there have been 8 yokozuna to earn their promotion at 32 or older
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 19:53:50 UTC No. 130666
>>130648
How many have been promoted after thirty? I don’t think Yasu has 32 tournaments like kotozakura to make Y.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 20:43:16 UTC No. 130674
>>130666
>How many have been promoted after thirty?
14. If we're counting guys who turned 30 during their debut basho at yokozuna, then I believe I counted 16.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 23:54:12 UTC No. 130692
>>130688
I still think yasu has another playoff or two in him. I like to think this lose will harden him and make him even more angry and motivated to win.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:33:25 UTC No. 130701
>>130636
>these aren't the titties i want to see while drinking
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 05:35:06 UTC No. 130709
Reading the replies about IDing the Hakuho tegata made me feel like mine might not be legit.
The characters in the corners of mine look like they're in some other kind of script compared to pics of others I'm seeing online, though the characters for "Yokozuna 69" themselves look roughly the same when compared individually.
Did I get scammed, or do they just come in different styles? Is mine old or something?
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 10:14:21 UTC No. 130722
>>130622
Based grandma
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 12:00:12 UTC No. 130724
>>130709
I think you're fine. That's an old sumo script that they do sometimes use for tegata, but I don't know about why or how often: pic related is from the Kyoukai's website. My recollection is that the prints don't use the stamps at all(?) and I can see other Hak ones like yours on google, so it should be legit unless you can find other reasons to doubt it.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 14:49:15 UTC No. 130732
1921. The lads play baseball before a jungyo. The man making the toss in the middle photo is yokozuna Oonishiki. Note the "Wrestler" jerseys - they must have had those made.
Should mention a lot of these recent photos I've been pulling from this blog:
https://ameblo.jp/tathibana
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:02:33 UTC No. 130777
>>130736
>Winning is the only thing that matters,
Somewhere a McDonald's cook is asking, "He lied directly to my face!"
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 23:48:01 UTC No. 130784
>>130732
>Wrestler jersey
this was in the 1920's when Japan saw a boom in baseball.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 01:56:26 UTC No. 130796
Why are the subtitles on Sumo Prime Time such ass? I have a toddler's grasp of the language but even I can pick out lots of questionable word choices and omissions/errors.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 04:03:21 UTC No. 130798
>>130796
Because your ability to read/hear Japanese is probably stronger than their ability to write and translate into English. That or they're working off of the English equivalent of a Genki textbook for their translation skills. I'm not sure, I'm the guy who watches videos sped up so I can't make sense of almost anything being said lol
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 12:49:15 UTC No. 130818
>>130796
>>130798
They try to make the translations simple enough that new sumo viewers won't feel alienated by any of the content, but they always shave off more than they need to. So if a rikishi says 'My aims for Nagoya are a special prize and a kinboshi', it becomes something like:
>I hope to achieve a strong result in the coming tournament!
because they can't be bothered to explain it.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 12:56:37 UTC No. 130820
Does anyone else think that Oho is getting tired of answering questions about his grandfather?
>I never knew him as a champion so he retired 30 years before I was born. He was just my grampy and he died when I was 11.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 13:02:06 UTC No. 130821
>>130796
>>130818
They realized they had a choice. Keep the lingo as "authentic" as possible and expect viewers to learn and not get aliented, or simply translate all concepts into English.
>Rikishi, dohyo, gyoji, shimpan
vs
>Wrestler, ring, referee, judge
They seem to have tried to split the difference so now it all sounds really awkward.
I'm not mad at them or anything, since I appreciate their doing anything for non-Japanese fans. I think their videos will get better as time goes on and they polish their style.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 13:26:54 UTC No. 130822
>>130796
They've recently had a lot of new viewership, foreign sumo attention has been surprisingly rising recently. For instance in their most recent video when they listed Takakeisho's winning techniques of the year, they had "frontal push out" as his most popular winning technique. They're just targeting a less informed audience, but also giving us the fan service for the more experienced viewer. Like seeing Keisho talk at all? That got me pretty excited. Same with that Ryogoku video with Keisei, that video is pretty much only made for the sweatier sumo fan. So they kind of produce content that can somewhat satisfy both sides of the aisle. Me personally? I love Sumo Prime Time I laugh like a fucking donkey whenever one of my favorite rikishi has to awkwardly go "s-samo palime dime!" and jut their finger in the air. I get more important sumo news from other sources, Hiro is just the fun sumo channel
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 13:59:37 UTC No. 130823
>>130822
>Hiro is just the fun sumo channel
i love that little niqqa like you wouldn't belive, he always makes me smile
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:34:13 UTC No. 130826
>>130821
>>130822
I'm guessing that as the channel matures, the rikisihi will be more aware of it and do bits for it as an obligation to foreign fans. (I'd imagine that a lot of them don't even realize they have foreign fans, I mean, in English-speaking countries.)
>Sumo Plime Time!
>...
>...
>...can I put my finger down yet?
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 16:19:44 UTC No. 130832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z9
You can never have too much Konishiki footage.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:13:27 UTC No. 130836
>>130832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kn
konishiki v oozutsu
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 20:13:53 UTC No. 130843
>>130826
We haven't heard anything about it in a while, but I believe Tobizaru mentioned last year he was trying to learn some English because he's aware he has English-speaking fans. If he knows about us, surely he isn't the only one that knows.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 22:56:51 UTC No. 130852
>>130820
Oh, undoubtedly. It's got to bug him. He's made it to the top division by age 22 coming from a rinky-dink stable and all anyone wants to talk about is his grandfather.
Also, no one asks him about his father. I wonder why, lol.
I mean, I know, Taiho is sumo's Babe Ruth and Oho hasn't really accomplished anything yet that would get people talking about his own prospects for greatness.
Do people pester Kotonowaka with questions about Kotozakura? Genuinely curious.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 23:10:54 UTC No. 130854
>>130852
>Taiho is sumo's Babe Ruth
That's Raiden. Competed long before anyone today was alive, little or no footage exists, lapped the field for 20 years, inexplicably did not put in much effort to do so, increasingly ignored in 'GOAT' discussions due to the perceived quality of competition in his era.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 23:35:29 UTC No. 130856
>>130854
OK...so maybe Taiho is like sumo's Kareem, Wilt, or Russell.
Sumo's Babe Ruth is probably Futabayama. There's footage of him, but not a lot.
Raiden's largely legendary.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 23:44:00 UTC No. 130857
>>130856
>Sumo's Babe Ruth is probably Futabayama.
Yes. This.
Incidentally, Futabayama was renowned for his beautiful utchari. Very flexible lower body, very strong upper body, he'd make you wait until the very last second.
In American sports terms, perhaps Taiho would be like a Johnny Unitas. Certainly one of the all-timers, but he played in a different era so comparing him to Joe Montana or Tom Brady is pointless, but at the same time, he didn't play so far in the distant past that the game is unrecognizable, like Sammy Baugh.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 23:54:15 UTC No. 130858
>>130856
Raiden was after the legendary period. The first yokozuna verified to have historically existed was Raiden's mentor. We don't know how much credit he deserves for his wins, but the man and his numbers were both definitely real.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Dec 2022 23:57:52 UTC No. 130859
>>130852
>Do people pester Kotonowaka with questions about Kotozakura? Genuinely curious.
He's received a couple questions about it recently, now that he's 3rd generation sanyaku. He seems pretty sanguine about it. Granted, he's probably seen it coming for a while now. His grandfather (Kotozakura) died pretty early too, so it's not like they had too much time to bond over their shared profession.
And, there's a little difference between Kotozakura and Taiho. Kotozakura was a totally decent yokozuna. Taiho is still the Japanese GOAT.
>Also, no one asks him about his father. I wonder why, lol.
I'm sure you know why. For the sake of the thread, though, ex-Takatoriki got kicked out (he resigned) from the JSA because he's a degenerate gambler, then he divorced his wife (Taiho's daughter, Oho's mother). I don't know what relationship Oho has with his father. Divorces can be very weird for kids.
I'm pretty sure Takatoriki is proud of his son. I know Oho's brothers are proud of him.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 00:03:33 UTC No. 130862
>>130858
OK, perhaps "legendary" was a poor choice of wording. 2.58m, 340kg Shiganosuke is legendary, more like mythical. But with Raiden, there are so many unknowns, like the quality of opponents. Yeah, he was a real guy, but was he pummeling local scrubs?
One of the joys of sumo is just how insanely old it is. No other sport even comes close.
Regardless, I think we're both on the same page.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 02:04:40 UTC No. 130871
>>130869
It certainly feels like we've seen that age number drop quite a lot in the last 12 months, I'd be curious if the tail-end of that graph is up to date or if 2022 wasn't included in it
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 02:36:42 UTC No. 130873
Guys, we've already been through this, Raiden is sumo's Honus Wagner.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 16:30:23 UTC No. 130916
Raiden was almost the same size as Baruto. ~1800 Japanese didn't have a chance.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 17:19:15 UTC No. 130921
>>130916
There were a handful of wrestlers who competed around the same time as Raiden who were just as tall or taller, and none were as good: Tamagaki II, Hiregatake II, Eshimagata, Kumonryu, Arauma III. On the other hand yokozuna Tanikaze, who was ~3 inches shorter than Raiden, put up career numbers almost identical to his.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:19:06 UTC No. 130927
>>130913
abi is ranked too high to get most of his wins against the guys floating between J&M. back to making kk or missing by one or two
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 20:56:18 UTC No. 130935
What are the oldest stables right now? Are there any around from pre ww2?
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 21:02:45 UTC No. 130937
>>130935
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
Sort by "year opened".
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Dec 2022 21:12:00 UTC No. 130938
>>130935
There's a couple that are over a century old. Dewanoumi is the oldest, IIRC.
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 07:30:22 UTC No. 130982
Any word on Ishiura? I feel sad for the little guy.
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:50:22 UTC No. 131000
>>130982
He's Sandanme 30 now.
There's no news, but he's going to be 33 in two weeks. I don't think there's any way he comes back. I think he's just getting his post-sumo life squared-away (job, apartment, etc) before Miyagino submits his retirement papers.
But yeah, definitely feel bad for him. Career-high rank to out of the sport in no time flat, just another victim of the Baby-faced Assassin.
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:06:49 UTC No. 131006
https://www.vice.com/en/article/epz
Sumo-bros....
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:26:34 UTC No. 131007
>>131006
>article contains nothing new.
Would you like no-fries with your nothingburger?
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 20:35:43 UTC No. 131043
>>131006
the info of this video is like 20 years old, this also most likely is a repost from vice since they made a similar video a few years ago.
>>131013
holy shit he does look more skinny, it's unironically over.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 21:50:49 UTC No. 131052
>>131006
Oy vey, wait til reddit hears about this. Between this and the misogyny, I don't see how G-d could allow this "sport" to continue. Sorry sumos, your days are numbered.
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 22:41:53 UTC No. 131056
>>131052
hang yourself tonight
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 22:54:58 UTC No. 131059
>>131052
>Oy vey, wait til reddit hears about this.
Thank you for volunteering to go there as our agent-in-place. Remember, though, you can't post here anymore, it would blow your cover.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Jan 2023 06:26:19 UTC No. 131096
Anyone watching this weird women's sumo tournament that MidnightSumo is restreaming off of YouTube? It's exactly what you'd expect.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Jan 2023 10:39:23 UTC No. 131106
>>130832
This is great, I love hearing an American ozeki talk about sumo
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Jan 2023 12:21:35 UTC No. 131111
>>131013
Wtf it took me a couple of seconds to recognize him, I was like "where the fuck is my man Ishiura?"
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:21:58 UTC No. 131145
>>131096
there are highschool girls sumo page. sumunnie
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 03:19:02 UTC No. 131166
>>131159
no matter what I came up with
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 07:08:39 UTC No. 131175
>>131159
its true. Takayasu has the best sumo right now. he's just cursed to choke when it matters and make a critically bad decision that he can't recover from
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 07:27:29 UTC No. 131176
>>131006
>posting a link to vice
What a faggot.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 12:26:06 UTC No. 131190
>>131178
Peak Shodai mogs every rikishi currently active. Shodai has the sheer physicality to make Yokozuna.
When Shodai wants to, not Takayasu, or Wakatakakage or Terunofuji can stop him.
He just... Ahh... Doesn't for do that for 10 days out of 15.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 13:53:33 UTC No. 131194
>>131159
>Next year's recruits will be some of the best I've ever scouted.
>One is 210cm, another is 160cm, but I'm not just looking for rikishi of unusual height. I've also recruited a rikishi who has only one arm and another who is actually a shaved panda bear wearing a mawashi.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 15:13:52 UTC No. 131199
>>131190
Peak [anyone who’s made sanyaku, ever] mogs basically everyone else in makuuchi. Every tournament is won by someone who’s currently experiencing that peak.
Unfortunately, slowdai just as legitimate shodai as Hakuho killer shodai, and what he manages at his peak strength is less important than what he is able to bring to every tournament. Which, as of recent, isn’t very much.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 20:54:28 UTC No. 131216
After WWII, the Association tried tinkering with the match schedule formats, and from 1949-1951 every division down to jonokuchi had 15 matches per basho. What do you think about that format? Would you bring it back?
My feeling is that the 7-day schedule for toriteki has long been due for a change.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Jan 2023 23:57:00 UTC No. 131227
>>131216
Cmon man, they're unpaid. You want them to work x2 for nothing.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 00:54:51 UTC No. 131232
>>131216
I don't think it would matter. Very few people watch those lower divisions, anyway. They happen at 8 in the morning and there's no one in the stands.
I can see, though, how it would help the guys who get into the sekitori ranks deal with the additional wear and tear of a full schedule.
Perhaps they can scale up? Jonidan and jonokuchi stay at 7. Sandanme goes to 9, and the makushita guys fight 11 matches.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 00:59:49 UTC No. 131233
>>131199
I just want to say: cute Christmas Neco-arc.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 01:22:09 UTC No. 131236
>>131056
I've seen this exact sequence play out a few times on here now. Any allusion made to the tribe in any way and this particular mod deletes, bans and then shrieks at the poster to kill or hang themselves.
I get that not not all 4chan is /b/, but allowing a literal Jewish Zealot to abuse mod authority to violently destroy the evil doers, seems a bit much.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 01:31:52 UTC No. 131237
>>131236
a schizo makes the world a better place when it destroys itself, whether by hanging or shooting, self-immolation or overdose
that is yours to decide, but it must happen tonight
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 01:46:11 UTC No. 131238
>>131227
I didn't say anything about their pay
they all deserve a lot more than they get
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 01:46:33 UTC No. 131239
>>131216
I think 15 matches is way too much for the lower divisions. Maybe makushita could do 15 matches. But Sandanme and down? No way. We're not even gonna mention that in order to do that each day of the basho would be 12-15 hours long trying to get through allllllll the lower divisions every single day. I think a big reason we have the 8 bout lower division rule, is that it helps get through the hundreds of hundreds of wrestlers in those lower divisions in a timely fashion.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 01:54:39 UTC No. 131243
>>131233
Ty anon
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 03:54:35 UTC No. 131252
>>131232
>Perhaps they can scale up? Jonidan and jonokuchi stay at 7. Sandanme goes to 9, and the makushita guys fight 11 matches.
I like that idea.
Actually, on top of that, I think it would be interesting to have jonokuchi treated like a real division. As it works right now, it's almost a second maezumo: you can get promoted with even a 2-5 record. If they took jonokuchi results seriously, you could justify putting jonidan at 9 matches, and then sandanme at 11 and makushita at 13.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 04:08:24 UTC No. 131253
>>131239
>We're not even gonna mention that in order to do that each day of the basho would be 12-15 hours long trying to get through allllllll the lower divisions every single day
Counterpoint: what if it were to mean that much less fucking shikiri between bouts?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Jan 2023 06:07:13 UTC No. 131265