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Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 01:35:07 UTC No. 153924
Post your most unpopular opinions when it comes to martial arts, fighting sports, etc.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 01:50:37 UTC No. 153926
There's nothing special about bjj, it hasn't proven itself to be anything other than mediocre in fighting sports
Anyt useful submissions came directly from judo, so in many ways judo is the premier submission grappling art in mma not bjj
Muay Thai is the same, it's just an option but it's not THE option, it has done nothing to prove itself as a stand out striking style compared to all the others
Bruce Lee was a fraud that plagiarized his teachings from asian philosophers and repackaged it for westerners while taking credit
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 01:53:00 UTC No. 153928
you only need judo
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 02:40:30 UTC No. 153934
Judo fags are overblown in their effectiveness and have never recovered from the buttblasting that a bjj blue belt = their black belt
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 02:58:48 UTC No. 153937
>>153934
Kimura vs Helio
That is all.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 02:59:54 UTC No. 153938
>>153934
>bjj blue belt = their black belt
>he actually believes this
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 03:16:01 UTC No. 153942
>>153937
>takes literally the greatest judoka of all time and 100+lbs of weight advantage to beat a husk of a corpse of a brazilian monkey man
Bjj wins yet again...
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 03:18:37 UTC No. 153944
>>153942
>KIMURA WAS THE GREATEST JUDOKA WHO EVER LIVED IN THIS DIMENSION AND ALL OTHERS AND HE HAD A 238572638LB WEIGHT ADVANTAGE
Why did the Gracie family walk to the ring with a casket for Kimura?
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 03:19:00 UTC No. 153945
Is the practitioner not the style.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 03:25:29 UTC No. 153946
>>153942
>Look mommy I posted it again now gimme my tendies
Hey retard, you still don't have a legit answer to any of this shit...
>>153821
>>153825
>>153843
And now you're sucking BJJ cock in a whole other thread. You've sat here almost the whole day simping for the jew of the martial arts world. I cannot imagine any fighter worth his salt being this obsessed with a single style.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 03:45:52 UTC No. 153951
>>153946
If you're the dude who posted that other shit, apparently all you do is imagine fighters/fighting, and not much beyond that.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 03:51:17 UTC No. 153953
>>153942
>100 + lbs of weight advantage
holy cope
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 04:23:13 UTC No. 153956
Too many guys take the self defense aspect of their favorite martial art way too seriously. As in approaching Sheepdog levels of super serious.
Meanwhile, the guys just doing the more sporty stuff like wrestling, boxing, or even judo are content to be putting in a ton of PT, learning to execute their favored techniques at a high level, and just having a healthier and more pleasant approach to the pasttime.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 05:07:31 UTC No. 153960
>>153951
>Takes issue with statistical facts
I don't know what to tell you buddy.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:26:08 UTC No. 153964
>>153924
most of mine are grappling based since i only grapple. i train judo wrestling and jitz, but im no means an expert at any of them.
1.while you should go and learn both, gi grappling (judo, more trad bjj) is way more applicable to the average unprepared street fight than nogi grappling (wrestling, nogi jj).
2. for self defense against a stronger but less trained dude, having an outstanding bottom game is a sunk cost compared to excellent takedown, guard passing, and top game. being an expert at bottom only becomes relevant if youre going against other expert grapplers with good top game. Otherwise, being good at some few basic guard positions are good enough, but if you have to rely on it because the other person is so much stronger, you may be picking a fight against someone too strong anyways.
3. MMA and combat jiujitsu, where top position means you can beat the fuck out of bottom guy better, should be the true benchmark of overall grappling skill rather than ADCC or sub only tournaments, because they portray a grappling that is more akin to realistic hand to hand fights (even if it does include striking). That being said, mexican mma fighters (like yair rodriguez) seems to have figured out bottom position to include striking and to tank hits to break posture and angles.
4. not really controversial anymore but IJF should reform its rules and stop banning moves. Ippon system is already some of the most simple and graceful grappling ruleset there is. You can add some rules to prevent exploitation but wholesale banning of techniques is retarded.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:34:30 UTC No. 153966
>>153956
thats fair. Everyone does MA because its fun. but to challenge your point, a large fraction, if not the majority of people who do MA, do it because they want to be able to rely on it if a fight does happen. I simply want to get my money's worth in that sense.
Most of the time, sportification of an MA is great since the sport and self defense aspects merges, so you learn how to fight in the safe context of a sport.
But sometimes its obvious when competitors take advantage of the sports rules and create moves or strategies that are retarded IRL (older judo example but head posting to prevent ippon when thrown)
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:14:33 UTC No. 153991
>>153964
> gi grappling is way more applicable to the average unprepared street fight than nogi grappling
I tend to think the opposite, given the grip/clothing situation for 9 months out of the year where I live. What led you to your conclusion?
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:32:46 UTC No. 153994
>>153956
I think you might be putting a little cart before the horse. Half the reason their asshole is so tight is that they don't do any PT, or at most something that would wind up being a Rippetoe meme. Otherwise, yeah the sport guys are more often actually capable of doing the things those SD types say they do.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 14:26:09 UTC No. 154010
>>153956
Different strokes for different folks & you don't get to gatekeep. The wonderful thing about martial arts is that unless you're a midwit getting hooked on tradition, it's all modular, and there are many paths in the same direction. Many different motivations. But people on this board like to be polarizing & make broad generalizations & pretend like you can't find good/bad fighters in any camp.
>TMAvsMMA
Like this shit. So dumb when 1)MMA is not a style, it's a process and 2)majority of pros have BBs in TMAs. Even BJJ is a TMA. Shit wouldn't exist if a judoka Nip hadn't immigrated to Brazil.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:20:22 UTC No. 154025
>>153991
most people wear clothes, at least a tshirt, and those clothes can be grabbed. you can throw people with a tshirt, sure itll rip but now you concussed the dude and have top position.
Also, its easier and preferable imo to use judo throws on a tshirt/hoodie than to go for wrestling takedowns on a bigger untrained dude. Youre going to struggle if a bigger guy sprawls on you even if you catch a deep grip on the leg, and using wrestling collar ties and hand fighting to break posture is harder than getting a judo collar grip to break posture.
Judo dominant standing positions are more dominant and offers more control then wrestling standing dominant position, and against someone stronger, that means alot.
As for the ground, because of the lack of grips, alot of nogi game is predicated on mobile and more eccentric bottom games like open guard, ashigarami, and leglocks. Theyre fine but i think against a strong ass untrained dude who is willing to punch you from top position, full guard is better.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 16:09:33 UTC No. 154051
>>154048
Pretty sure it has way more to do with strikers starting to train grappling and take down defense than anything else.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 16:24:11 UTC No. 154057
>>153926
Striking sports' effectiveness over the others comes down to practitioner skill. A boxer can learn to kick, and an eastern striker can learn to box. For BJJ, doesn't matter how many submissions you have, you still need to know how to block and throw punches
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:08:55 UTC No. 154076
>>154048
>made up chart
>no source
>Its from wikipedia its legit trust me bro.
Another anon destroyed you ass blasted submission faggots with actual stats.
>>153821
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:20:53 UTC No. 154080
>>154076
Don't pretend like that isn't you faggot. And don't pretend like it isn't cherrypicked.
"Erm, excuse me, the 2009 stats (the year lay and pray became popular) show more tkos + kos (which includes ground and pound, something a grappler would do) in the heavyweight division (why only one, also includes fighters of varying degrees of skills in the undercard) than subs (even though everyone trains BJJ, and not just "defensive" bjj, which doesn't fucking exist, you have to know how subs work to escape/avoid them) sum ergo proxy bjj is fake!"
Get fucked. I'm typing this after lunch training at my BJJ gym. Bjj, as always, wins again.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:28:00 UTC No. 154083
I love the idea of "just learning not to get subbed." Like, is there a judo class for ONLY not getting thrown? Or a wrestling class for ONLY not getting single legged? In fact, why don't we just invent a field called anti-grappling that teaches strikers and (more likely) TMA guys how to not get grapped?
Surely that's never been tried before, right?
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:42:14 UTC No. 154091
>>154083
nah its been a thing since MMA strikers needed to learn just enough grappling to play defense, just dont think you'll find it for judo since MMA with a gi isnt popular in america.
you can learn basic takedown defense like grip breaking, hand fighting, recovering from bad position.
but the best and most complete way to learn takedown defense is to get good at takedowns yourself, because now you know intuitively what the attacker wants and how to defend it.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:50:04 UTC No. 154093
>>154083
When it comes to anti-grappling it make more sense to just learn how to grapple
If you know how the move works then you know how to make it not work also
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:56:51 UTC No. 154121
>>153944
Because the Gracie family are honorable warriors . They knew that if they didn't taunt Kimura, he would have underestimated his opponent and been choked out 10 seconds into the fight. Hence, they went through the ordeal of appearing dishonorable, by participating in such a vulgar display. However, in reality they were upholding the highest warrior spirit, by drawing in their opponent to fight on an equal field.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 21:32:13 UTC No. 154126
>>154121
I honestly can’t tell if this is a joke or if some graciefag actually believes this.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 21:46:49 UTC No. 154127
>>154121
Kek, I'm adding this to my "BJJ wins again" word doc. Well done.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 22:23:28 UTC No. 154132
>>154083
"anti-grappling" is definitely a thing, and it is a silly and ridiculous thing.
https://youtu.be/K6_g-ijJh2A
https://youtu.be/mioplfYi7_c
Back in the 2000s, many a DVD was marketed in the back pages of Black Belt Magazine, purporting to hold the secrets to destroying those dastardly BJJers.
This guy is 100% correct:
>>154093
At the end of the day, you gotta know how to strike, and you gotta know how to grapple. If you enjoy one more than the other, great! You're a specialist. But you still gotta know both or else you'll be vulnerable.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 22:32:20 UTC No. 154134
Striking is incredibly easy to do and learn.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 23:03:54 UTC No. 154140
>>153946
>I cannot imagine any fighter worth his salt being this obsessed with a single style.
The judocult posters fear this
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 23:08:49 UTC No. 154142
>>154140
>posters
I’m convinced it’s literally just one guy, and he’s autistic.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 23:09:42 UTC No. 154143
>>154134
It is, but most people are sedentary or are too scared to get hit
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 23:09:56 UTC No. 154144
>>154134
So is playing chess, but mastery is a lot harder.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 23:18:00 UTC No. 154145
>>154140
Judging by the volume of posts on this board, if it's just that guy 4chan is me, him and (you)
There can't be just a single retard spamming judo here, maybe bots
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 00:14:09 UTC No. 154146
>>154145
I think there are two. First one focuses on autistic judo promotion and the second one focuses on shitting on bjj.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 00:38:53 UTC No. 154147
>>154145
You grossly underestimate the power of autism
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 01:06:35 UTC No. 154149
>>154140
You literally only need Judo because Judo teaches every thing.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 01:24:26 UTC No. 154155
>>154149
>Judo teaches every thing.
Even striking?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 01:29:36 UTC No. 154158
>>154155
Yeah.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 02:16:38 UTC No. 154160
>>154158
>if its in a kata a system has it!
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 03:02:06 UTC No. 154164
I hate that people call brazilian jiu jitsu "BJJ" because it makes me think blowjobjob
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 03:10:02 UTC No. 154165
>>154164
it stands for Basically Just Judo
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 23:52:07 UTC No. 154294
>>153924
MMA Etc has an inordinate amount of guys with their faces in the other guy's crotch. And they seem to enjoy it. Fight me.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:20:57 UTC No. 154297
>>154165
Weird how its rules allow for more judo than judo
Dare i say it stands for Better than Just Judo?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 01:03:42 UTC No. 154307
>>154297
It's not though, judo will always win in a fight
Bjj lacks the requisite material to bring the fight to the ground in a way that benefits them
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 01:15:57 UTC No. 154309
>>154307
>judo will always win
>what is the ufc
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 01:16:12 UTC No. 154310
>>153924
Boxing is the most boring martial art. The punches are silly in an ungloved context and the lack of elbow, forearm and grappling techniques makes resets common and tedious. Even olympic TKD is more interesting because it has the same sort of rules issues but atleast it's more acrobatic.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 01:23:16 UTC No. 154311
>>154309
You think mma is fighting?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 03:49:42 UTC No. 154320
>>154311
Tell me about how you'd gouge out my groin on teh streetz.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 04:03:30 UTC No. 154322
>>154320
that has nothing to do with it
if 2 guys had an actual fight the judo practitioner is going to slam the bjj practitioner through the floor
not on to canvass, not on to a mat, on to the hard floor and probably makikomi the fuck out of it for good measure
bjj isn't suitable for fighting without being heavily supplemented by wrestling
judo works on its own