🧵 /sumo/ - Off-Basho Sumo General
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:12:53 UTC No. 168425
Sumo genius edition
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>>160847
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:23:55 UTC No. 168432
>>168425
Since when does this board exist? I have never seen it before.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:20:14 UTC No. 168443
Really a fitting end to a clown basho
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:40:01 UTC No. 168446
>>168432
19 February 2021, apparently.
https://wiki.bibanon.org/4chan/Hist
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:48:42 UTC No. 168447
>>168432
I assume wrasslin' probably got /sp/'s panties in a bunch for this board to exist.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:51:12 UTC No. 168448
>>168446
Wow. I never knew.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:55:14 UTC No. 168449
>>168432
>>168447
This board is one of the two produced when GookMoot decided to split /asp/.
Honestly I think he should have just kept /asp/ and make all motor and combat sports /asp/ to help balance the board out compared to the wrasslin content, but that's me.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:59:36 UTC No. 168450
Could be in for quite a few Makuuchi promotions/demotions.
Hakuoho, Daishoho, Kagayaki, and Chiyoshoma all definitely going down. Kotoshoho, Aoiyama, and Nishikifuji are all borderline. In Juryo Roga, Tomokaze, and Ichiyamamoto are likely the front runners for promotions with Kitanowaka, Tohakuryu, and Churanoumi in contention for the remaining spots but I doubt all of them will go up.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 11:19:57 UTC No. 168452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTV
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 11:24:09 UTC No. 168454
Juryo/Makushita is a little bit simpler with Hakuyozan and Kiho going down, and then Yuma, Hitoshi, and Hidenoumi all going up. Only question is who is demoted for the final slot, Shiden or Asakoryu?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 11:32:07 UTC No. 168456
>>168450
The four demotion cases are obvious. Keeping them up is indefensible.
I think Tohakuryu will get the fourth promotion. 10-5 form J4 is usually good enough.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:09:53 UTC No. 168463
Looks like the top few ranks will probably look like this for November (unless Terunofuji retires)
Y: Terunofu
O: Takakeisho, Kirishima
O: Hoshoryu (west)
S: Daieisho, Kotonowaka
S: Wakamotoharu (east)
K: Hokutofuji, Abi
M1: Asanoyama, Ura
After that, it becomes a bit of a logjam, with Tobizaru, Meisei, Shodai, Gonoyama, Takayasu all having a claim to M2.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:20:16 UTC No. 168464
>>168463
Asanoyama didn't do enough to get the K promotion?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:22:10 UTC No. 168465
>>168463
Teru only retires if Keisho gets the promotion, I think (so, he won't be retired next basho). And even so he might want to try to get 10 titles before retirement.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:26:05 UTC No. 168466
Onosato needs to widen his toolbox. He clearly can overpower and bulldoze most of his opponents but loses when his opponent knows how to deal with these kind of wrestlers
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:30:20 UTC No. 168467
>>168464
Typically, 11 wins is needed to crack open an extra slot in the junior sanyaku. Sometimes the committee is feeling generous, but I suspect after this basho, they'll be a little cranky.
Hokutofuji is getting the east slot, since 8-7 from M1e always gets promoted.
Abi and Asanoyama have identical records from M2 and Abi, being on the east, therefore takes precedence.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:47:30 UTC No. 168470
>>168463
>unless Terunofuji retires
I think he has to be able to go for at least an entire basho before taking more time off, and if he can't make it through this next basho, he'll call it and retire, or be asked to retire.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:05:26 UTC No. 168471
>>168470
Depends if they think having no Yokozuna is better than a semi active Yokzuna because once Terunofuji is gone who knows how long it'll be before another rises. It certainly won't be in January because I doubt anything less than a 14-1 Yusho in November would get Takakeisho promoted off the back of an 11-4.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:08:24 UTC No. 168472
>>168471
Two back-to-back yushos is the standard, regardless of how dominant said yusho was. It'd be the first time since Chiyonoyama in 1950 that two back-to-back yushos doesn't get the horizontal rope.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:08:30 UTC No. 168473
>>168471
If Takakeisho wins, he becomes Yokozuna no matter what. His 11-4 might change his Yokozuna promotion if he gets a JY.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:15:15 UTC No. 168475
>>168471
Two yusho are two yusho. Even if they are back to back 11-4 clown basho, it would be sufficient.
If Takakeisho follows this up with a 12-3 jun-yusho, though, the YDC might not feel as generous as they would be if he had won this tournament with a 13-2 or 14-1.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:24:28 UTC No. 168477
Another thing to add: if he wins the next one, he will have 5 titles. That's not elite, but that's not a bad Yokozuna record either. And given his age, I think he has the chance of getting 10 titles if he becomes Yokozuna.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:37:38 UTC No. 168478
>>168470
The "unless Terunofuji retires" comment was meant to suggest that, if Teru retires now, he wouldn't be on the banzuke at all, and all the east-west stuff for the prediction would be scrambled.
We can't know if Teru will have some sort of training setback wherein he decides two weeks from now he simply can't compete anymore, or if his recovery is going well and he'll dominate in November, and then retire anyway, or something in between. I suppose we'll find out more during the October jungyo.
Now the JSA would obviously like to have a yokozuna on the banzuke. Like any combat sport, the champions are the biggest driver of ticket sales. It does feel like they're getting ready to ask him to retire. If he can't make it in November, that will be two tournament appearances in a year, and only one for a full fifteen days. That's not a good look.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:42:45 UTC No. 168481
>>168478
>It does feel like they're getting ready to ask him to retire.
Even if Keisho wins the next basho, given both are injury prone wouldn't it be better to have 2 Yokozuna?
The biggest issue would be for Teru himself, wouldn't it? Having another Yokozuna would allow him to retire in peace.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:45:35 UTC No. 168482
>>168481
There is no strict requirement to have a yokozuna, unlike ozeki.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:47:41 UTC No. 168483
>>168482
But didn't Hakuho held out from retiring waiting until someone else became Yokozuna?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:47:58 UTC No. 168484
>>168477
If he retired tomorrow, he'd already be considered an all-time great ozeki. He's one behind Kaio for the all-time lead in cups. (Modern era only, obviously, not including those guys from the 1800's before professional sumo and the yokozuna rank was formalized.)
I can't see him getting to ten cups, though. He's too injury-prone and his style is too high-variance. If he wins his next five at the rate he got the first five, he'd be 33 by the time he'd make his tenth, and I simply can't see his body lasting that long.
But hopefully, he can stay healthy and make a real push in November. Historically, it's been his strongest tournament.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:50:56 UTC No. 168486
>>168483
Yeah, but that was his choice. There was no (written) requirement for him to stay on.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:53:12 UTC No. 168487
>>168483
>But didn't Hakuho held out from retiring waiting until someone else became Yokozuna?
Yes, but there were other mitigating factors around covid and getting his elder stock acquisition finalized. He didn't just do it out of the goodness of his heart.
The point >>168482 was making was that, by rule, a basho must have at least two ozeki, one east, one west. There is no requirement that there be a yokozuna. Sumo would be able to go on just fine without Terunofuji.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:27:13 UTC No. 168508
>>168504
That's not a Henka.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:31:01 UTC No. 168513
>>168510
Wait, isn't that Abi? I didn't know he was friends with Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:33:40 UTC No. 168515
>>168513
Yeah, it's Abi. He's friends with everyone, it seems.
Oho on the far left, back row is also there. He was Takakeisho's high school tsukebito and they've been friends for a while too.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:36:16 UTC No. 168517
Random question but how many yokozuna have won their first Basho as a yokozuna? How many haven't?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:37:39 UTC No. 168519
>>168508
>That's not a Henka.
By Takakeisho's standards, it is. He just doesn't move fast enough. (And he certainly can't fucking jump, lol) Watch his feet, the first step is to the side.
Be happy he won with guile. Trying to suggest that was a straight-up fight, though, is just coping.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:39:11 UTC No. 168520
>>168519
It seems to be a slapdown and there is contact. Compare that to how Henkaman does the Henka.
And I don't even dislike Henkas.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:39:32 UTC No. 168521
I can't believe I stayed up last night for this >>>/sp/135244905
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:44:21 UTC No. 168523
>>168520
>Compare that to how Henkaman does the Henka.
There is no one specific way to henka. If Takakeisho could leap like Chiyoshoma, I'm sure he'd do it. If he had Abi's speed and long arms, he would henka like Abi does.
The first step is to the side and the first contact is Keisho's hand on the back of Atami's head. Not really Keisho's signature cannonball tachi-ai, now, is it?
>And I don't even dislike Henkas.
Neither do I. I'm having a little fun, though, watching Takakeisho fans tie themselves into knots. They should look to Abi fans. Sometimes it's fun to support the bad guy.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:56:35 UTC No. 168525
>>168519
>Be happy he won with guile.
This. A win is a win.
If TKK gets a yusho (or really convincing JY) in November, no one will remember this.
Within two years, the story on TKK will be how a dramatically undersized rikishi using a non-meta style willed his way to the sport's highest rank.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:05:39 UTC No. 168530
>>168526
Shouldn't the Ozeki touch the ground second?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:06:48 UTC No. 168531
>>168530
There are no rules for who touches the ground first or second. Generally speaking those in higher rank touch down second, but there's no requirement.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:31:16 UTC No. 168536
>>168525
>a really convincing JY
No, it'd almost certainly have to be a yusho as no one's been promoted with 25 over 2 basho in a long time, and even a freak 14-1 JY would only take him to 25
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:40:46 UTC No. 168541
>>168538
Surely he'll do it and not get injured on the 5th day right?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:41:53 UTC No. 168542
U MAD?
Megashitter farmers shouldn't even be in the Yusho race. Not a single contender except for Takakeisho fought one single sanyaku, who wasn't Takakeisho.
Literally criminal scheduling, designed specifically to deny Keishos Yusho - a henka is too good for them.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:56:20 UTC No. 168547
Why do some people think Takakeisho should have higher standards than other rikishi?
I have seen people saying he was a bad Ozeki compared to... Toshinoshin. Or that he is a worse sanyaku than the other ones, including some who rarely reach 10-5.
I have seen people saying he should win the next two tournaments to have a "Yokozuna conversation" when for everyone else "two straight is OK", since he "didn't prove himself well enough" (even if he would tie Kaio for the title of best Ozeki ever if he wins the next tournament).
Not every Yokozuna needs to be Hakuho or Asashoryu.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:01:38 UTC No. 168548
>>168547
can you provide an example of where you've seen this said
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:03:53 UTC No. 168549
>>168547
>Why do some people think Takakeisho should have higher standards than other rikishi?
He's an ozeki. If he's healthy, he's supposed to be in the title conversation. Double-digit wins is the minimum acceptable performance. More to the point, there have been no dominant yokozuna (or even ozeki) to stop him during his time as ozeki.
>I have seen people saying he should win the next two tournaments to have a "Yokozuna conversation"
Those people don't know what they're talking about. Two consecutive yusho = promotion, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:04:20 UTC No. 168550
>>168547
Success breeds jealousy, simple as.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:04:45 UTC No. 168551
>>168548
I have seen this on >reddit many times.
On sumoforums some guy was seething really hard today.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:11:36 UTC No. 168555
>>168549
You are confusing ozeki with yokozuna.
Take a look at Harumafuji's and Kakuryu ozeki years
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kak
Now take a look at terminal Ozeki like Goeido and Kotoshigiku.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kot
Would you say Takakeisho is a bad ozeki like those people were saying?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:19:18 UTC No. 168557
>>168547
He doesn't have hinkaku. He's an ugly, pudgy sphere with limbs that are too short, and absolutely zero grace or style. He's just a bowling ball that can barely complete a single match without being so gassed he needs five minutes to stop panting. He has no versatility either. He does oshizumo and nothing else. Even suggesting belt work is a joke. That's why people don't want Keisho to be a Yokozuna. He doesn't have hinkaku.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:24:55 UTC No. 168558
>>168555
>Would you say Takakeisho is a bad ozeki like those people were saying?
Of course not. No one would say so in good faith.
However, it is also undeniable that he's been injury prone and in kadoban way too often. That lack of consistency has been the primary reason he hasn't been promoted, because it surely wasn't that there was a dominant yokozuna gobbling up all the yusho.
As ozeki, Harumafuji was kadoban once, Kakuryu never was. Granted, they were not ozeki for that long before being promoted, but Takakeisho would probably have been promoted by now if he were a little more durable and could fight more tournaments at 100%
Looking at the long-time ozeki, Goeido was kadoban nine times, Kotoshogiku was kadoban seven times before losing his rank. Takakeisho has already been kadoban seven times.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:25:02 UTC No. 168559
>>168551
some people just are way too in love with yotsu sumo to ever be fair when it comes to him. Genius fans gotta just learn to deal with it.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:27:32 UTC No. 168560
You just vomited every "I don't know shit about sumo" statement in sequence.
I wonder what it must be like, living ones life in an impenetrable fug of incomprehension.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:29:04 UTC No. 168561
>>168557
above directed to
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:30:15 UTC No. 168562
We need Abi Yokozuna to counter people like this >>168557
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:34:04 UTC No. 168563
>>168562
Abizuna would be fun purely for the level of chaos and seethe it would generate in some people. Also, I don't personally agree with the 'no hinkaku so shouldn't be yok' opinion. I'm just explaining the position, I don't agree with it.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:44:29 UTC No. 168564
>>168558
>Granted, they were not ozeki for that long before being promoted
Now that's actually kind of interesting. I wonder if there's a relationship between how often an ozeki goes kadoban vs. whether he gets promoted.
Among yokozuna in the 21st century:
Hakuho was kadoban 1 time in 7 tournaments as ozeki
Kisenosato was kadoban 1 time in 31 tournaments as ozeki
Harumafuji was kadoban 1 time in 22 tournaments as ozeki
Kakuryu was kadoban 0 times in 12 tournaments as ozeki
Asashoryu was kadoban 0 times in 3 tournaments as ozeki
(I don't know what to do with Terunofuji in this case because he kind of had two careers. No one's done what he did.)
Among terminal ozeki:
Mitakeumi was kadoban 2 times in 4 tournaments
Shodai was kadoban 5 times in 13 tournaments
Asanoyama was kadoban 2 times in 7 tournaments
Tochinoshin was kadoban 3 times in 7 tournaments
Takayasu was kadoban 3 times in 15 tournaments
Goeido was kadoban 9 times in 38 tournaments
Kotoshogiko was kadoban 7 times in 32 tournaments
Baruto was kadoban 1 times in 15 tournaments
(Not counting any of the current ozeki)
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:57:40 UTC No. 168566
>>168564
I think there are two separate things equally in play for this:
1) If someone can't stay healthy enough then it'll be much harder for them to win two in a row (or equivalent) to make yokozuna.
2) Long term ozeki will go kadoban later in their careers simply because they're getting older, much like how we see yokozuna skip tournament more often as they age, skewing the numbers.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:01:14 UTC No. 168570
>>168425
>henkas the Maegashitter 15
was he that scared
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:04:25 UTC No. 168571
>>168566
Agreed.
I thought it was interesting when it's written out, though. Hakuho, Asashoryu, they barely had a cup of coffee at the rank before moving on. They didn't have time to get injured.
I, at least, tend to forget that Kakuryu or Kisenosato, for example, were remarkably resilient ozeki, even if they weren't particularly durable as yokozuna. Especially Kisenosato.
If these historical trends hold, though, that's not good news for Takakeisho, who has already been kadoban 7 times (including actually falling down to sekiwake) in 26 tournaments.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:09:27 UTC No. 168572
>>168570
>was he that scared
I don't think he was scared of Atamifuji per se. He beat him pretty soundly on Day 13.
I think it was more a case of
>I can't let this opportunity slip
If he fought Atamifuji """fairly""" maybe he would have won again, maybe Atamifuji would have learned from their previous match. He knows Atamifuji was going to give it his all and charge in. Why take a chance?
Like >>168525 said, if Takakeisho ends up getting promoted after November, no one except Atamifuji will remember what he did to win one of his many titles.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:11:33 UTC No. 168573
>>168571
I looked back at previous yokozuna and Musashimaru didn't go kadoban a single time in over five years of being ozeki before finally getting promoted. Then you have Wakanohana III who went kadoban three times, including going public injury twice.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:12:20 UTC No. 168574
>>168504
I hate the fucking hamster so much more than I dis before. Fuck him.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:18:17 UTC No. 168576
>>168504
>"atamifuji will remember that"
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:18:43 UTC No. 168577
>>168526
The two days after that were kino. Based Waka proceeded to henka Keisho, then Waka and Hoku had an amazing bout where Waka won.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:38:47 UTC No. 168581
>>168504
Sit down, young fella. Don't feel too bad. That's a future yokozuna you lost to (twice).
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:55:54 UTC No. 168583
>>168579
How many people here unironically like Takakeisho and how many just claim to like him because he makes so many people seethe?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:00:05 UTC No. 168584
>>168583
I don't care for him but the seethe is funny.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:01:07 UTC No. 168585
>>168583
I unironically like Takakeisho and Abi.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:02:12 UTC No. 168587
>>168583
what is not to like? He is easily the strongest active rikishi currently. A rested Teru is the only one stronger and he is getting rarer and rarer to see.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:04:11 UTC No. 168588
>>168583
I'm just geniusposting because I love how viscerally angry Takakeisho makes people.
My favorites are Goeido and, after he retired, Oho.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:19:21 UTC No. 168590
>>168583
I wouldn't really say he's one of my favourites but I enjoyed watching him this basho, I like to see a strong tachi-ai
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:23:15 UTC No. 168593
>>168572
Would also point out how poorly Atamifuji was leaning forward into the charge. Takakeisho's henka is obviously not a 100% chance to win, it's possible to recover from it.
Feels like Atamifuji wanted to immediately get a grip (which would have been an instawin vs. hamster)
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:36:16 UTC No. 168598
Fans watching the tournament seemed to be OK with the finale while gaijin internet seem to be much angrier.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:57:20 UTC No. 168603
>>168601
For all we know, Hoshoryu, Kotonowaka, Oho and Gonoyama could be future Yokozuna and 20 years from now people could be praising Takakeisho.
Besides that, being worse than the greatest Ozeki ever doesn't mean he is not one of the best Ozeki.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:57:32 UTC No. 168604
>>168473
>If Takakeisho wins, he becomes Yokozuna no matter what
No, the legislation is that the YDC is required to recommend his promotion to the NSK. The NSK is not required to do anything.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:59:43 UTC No. 168605
>>168604
If he doesn't get the Yoko ranking after two titles (and three titles in a year), this would look like he is being persecuted due to being a Takanohana protege (he also was not promoted to Ozeki after 33 wins in the past).
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 20:03:25 UTC No. 168606
>>168604
The last time an ozeki was not titled yokozuna after two yushos in a row, it was a contributing factor to the scandals that caused the creation of the YDC, with the YDC's first decision being to correct that mistake.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 20:04:06 UTC No. 168607
Imagine if some Mongolian ozeki dude won 2 straight Yushos and did not get the promotion. The accusations of xenophobia would be huge.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 20:13:09 UTC No. 168612
>>168605
>>168606
I wasn't arguing that he wouldn't, I was arguing specifically that there's no obligation. Imagine a maximum clown 10-5 Y -> 10-5 Y forcing a required recommendation.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 20:31:09 UTC No. 168616
>Hokuseiho learned to use both hands
his sumo slowly coming together.
>>168572
>He knows Atamifuji was going to give it his all and charge in.
This Atamifuji was able to survive abi's hanka. He should have easily been able to survive takakeisho's. He went in too recklessly.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:07:46 UTC No. 168625
Whar macaroon pic?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:13:38 UTC No. 168628
>>168583
He's unironically my favorite rikishi, so at least 1 person. The seethe really confuses me cause he doesn't let his weird body type hold him back from reaching the top of his sport and has to find ways to win through heart and guile.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:31:49 UTC No. 168631
>>168609
>oshizumo is the current meta, what are you on about
Not among yokozunas.
Takakeisho would be the first pusher since Hokutoumi. (Depending on whether you count post-injury Akebono.)
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:36:06 UTC No. 168633
>>168598
>Fans watching the tournament seemed to be OK with the finale while gaijin internet seem to be much angrier.
Their applause seemed subdued to me. They cheered him much more loudly in January for his 12-3Y. And there is plenty of disagreement on Japanese language sumo forums.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:51:19 UTC No. 168639
>>168603
>Besides that, being worse than the greatest Ozeki ever doesn't mean he is not one of the best Ozeki.
Let's say, hypothetically, Takakeisho's knee injuries become chronic and, starting next year, he takes the Tochinoshin slide, lasting another 3-4 years before falling out of juryo and retiring.
Takakeisho's fans would look back fondly on a career that had lots of highlights and was tragically never fully realized due to injuries. Nevertheless, he'd be one of the greatest ozeki of all time.
That's not where Takakeisho fans are at right now. They want to see him get promoted, which is why they are reacting so violently to anyone who doubts that his promotion is an inevitability.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:58:59 UTC No. 168642
Guys, I noticed something weird about Takakeisho's yushos, like a pattern.
>11-2018
Hakuho, Kakuryu, 0-0-15; Kisenosato 0-5-10
>11-2020
Hakuho, Kakuryu, 0-0-15
>1-2023
Terunofuji, 0-0-15
>9-2023
Terunofuji, 0-0-15
It's almost like he can only win when there's no yokozunas. He better hope Terunofuji's knees and back don't heal by November.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:02:37 UTC No. 168644
>>168642
terunofuji's knees are fine to fight. it is his back that is still bothering him
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:26:22 UTC No. 168650
>>168642
His problem is not Yokozunas but injuries.
His cycle is:
Injured, 8-7 while injured to keep ranking, 10-5 (or something) because he is recovering, Y or JY, injured.
The Yokozuna of his era are constantly injured, so of course he wins when they are injured.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:28:31 UTC No. 168651
>>168650
>The Yokozuna of his era are constantly injured, so of course he wins when they are injured.
Forgot to add:
He also is injured while they are injured and is fighting injured or recovering when they are injured. Because late Hakuho and Yoko Terunofuji are injury prone.
Are there even many tournaments where he got a JY and a Yokozuna won?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:32:45 UTC No. 168652
And... I just looked.
Of his JY only one was lost to a Yokozuna, which was Kyushu 2021 (to be fair, also lost a title earlier in that year to Ozeki Terunofuji).
So, Yokozuna are not his kryptonite
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:35:10 UTC No. 168654
Who do you guys think is the most likely Yokozuna prospect at the moment?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 22:40:52 UTC No. 168656
>>168654
Takakeisho and Hoshoryu, in this order. Maybe Asanoyama too.
After that probably someone for the future like Kotonowaka, Oho, Onosato or Hakuoho. Atamifuji was impressive too.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:06:05 UTC No. 168660
>>168654
Hakuouhou, Atamifuji
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:06:40 UTC No. 168661
>>168654
Takakeisho because he just needs to win in November and then he's in.
After that, probably Hoshoryu. He's young, durable, and has proven that he has no problem getting winning records from the top of the banzuke. He just needs to become a little more consistent and he's a lock.
After that, it's all pure speculation.
>>168656
>Oho
I'd love to see it, but it's not happening any time soon. He's got the physique, he's just not receiving the coaching. Ōtake-beya is very small, it doesn't recruit much. (No one new in over 3 years.) Ōhō is the only one at his stable who has been a sekitori since Ōhō entered professional sumo. It has no coaches apart from Ōtake himself who never rose above J4.
Ōtake himself is 62. When he's forced to relinquish the stable at 65, Ōhō will be around 26. Maybe the stable will dissolve and Ōhō will go somewhere where he can receive real coaching (perhaps Nishonoseki-beya, his grandfather's stable, albeit in its previous incarnation.)
Perhaps then Ōhō can make a mid-career push, much like Kirishima, who's sumo blossomed once he started receiving proper coaching from Kakuryū.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:11:30 UTC No. 168663
>>168654
25 year old hokuseiho after gaining 40kg more size and continuing to learn two armed sumo
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:14:56 UTC No. 168664
Should henka be banned?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:19:31 UTC No. 168665
>>168664
Abi and his mini me should be banned
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:20:51 UTC No. 168666
>>168642
>b-but he didn't win because "x" rikishi was out
None of that shit matters. What matters is who wins during the basho. If those fuckers you listed were so great, then they'd be fighting instead of being broken and out of the basho.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:22:24 UTC No. 168668
>>168664
>Should henka be banned?
No. It's part of the strategy of sumo. It makes a rikishi unpredictable. Henka only works on those that don't anticipate it.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:26:10 UTC No. 168669
>>168668
>those that don't anticipate it
How the fuck do you even anticipate it? By the time you notice it, it's already too late.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:26:52 UTC No. 168672
>>168666
>if Hakuho, the yokozuna with the record longest consecutive appearance streak, were so great, he would have been appearing more
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:27:20 UTC No. 168673
>>168669
>How the fuck do you even anticipate it?
You study your opponent's film and learn to recognize his patterns.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:33:10 UTC No. 168675
>>168669
1: You don't overcommit. A firm but restrained tachiai.
2: You learn to predict when to expect a henka from your opponent.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:34:16 UTC No. 168676
>>168670
>>168672
I'm not that anon.
In the tournaments he got a JY, in only one of them the winner was a Yokozuna, so trying to create a popular perception that they are what is stopping him from winning titles is false.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:41:16 UTC No. 168679
>>168661
Miyagino was a permanent Juryo shitter and only achieved M15e ONCE and look at what he produced.
But yeah, something is wrong with either Oho or the coaching. I would say it's more of an Oho problem, because other stables that are small one sekitori shows don't have this problem.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:51:42 UTC No. 168680
>>168598
They really weren't. Maybe 3/4 of them were silent, especially after a yuusho playoff. Go back and watch the last three makuuchi playoff, the fans are a lot louder there.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:53:11 UTC No. 168681
>>168679
Obviously, it's going to be Oho's problem. He can't have anyone else get in the ring with him.
Some of it is also timing. Like you said, other small stables don't have this problem, but nearly all of Oho's career has been under covid, (He started in January of 2020) which means he couldn't visit other stables and get good experience. The only times he actually fought guys at his own level was during the tournaments themselves, where he's pressured to win, not to experiment with new techniques.
So he basically just relied on his physical size and the tricks he learned in high school.
Just look at the guys he's had to work out with.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:57:47 UTC No. 168682
>>168485
This fucking picture never fails to make me laugh
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 00:18:19 UTC No. 168687
>>168686
>it wasn't a henka guys, my sumo is always honorable, I didn't expect it would turn out like that
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 00:24:58 UTC No. 168688
>>168679
>Miyagino was a permanent Juryo shitter and only achieved M15e ONCE and look at what he produced.
I think you're really underselling how dogshit Otake stable actually is.
In its entire existence (i.e. after Taiho retired in 2003 and it was renamed Otake stable) it has produced THREE sekitori: Roho, Osunaarashi, and Oho.
Since Dairyu, the current Otake, took over in July of 2010, they have had a total of 20 recruits. 8 of them are already out of the sport. 3 of them are Taiho's grandsons, who really had no choice as to which stable they were joining. The highest rank achieved by any of the remainder is Ms56.
Since the end of the pandemic, it's been even more dire. They've either stopped recruiting altogether (maybe due to Dairyu's age) or no one wants to sign with them. They've managed only a single recruit who lasted less than two years before quitting.
That's the environment Oho joined. It's why I feel so sorry for him. People may think he's playing on easy mode (Taiho's genetics! That size!) but he hasn't had any proper coaching since high school.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 00:36:30 UTC No. 168691
>>168688
Tee bee haitch, it wasn't a very good stable before, either. Taiho may have been a fine yokozuna but he sucked as a stablemaster, although, I think he suffered a stroke at a really young age or something.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 00:55:44 UTC No. 168694
>>168691
His stroke was in 1977, age 36
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 00:57:43 UTC No. 168695
>>168508
>That's not a henka
Ah, my mistake. It looked like the guy whose only tachiai is to explode directly forward with repeated thrusts to the chest didn't explode directly forward with repeated thrusts to the chests, but instead dodged to his left while putting his hands in a position to grab Atamifuji's neck and shoulder and push him down - correctly reading Atamifuji's state of mind and deciding to henka as fast as his toad body could. Must have been a trick of the light.
Whether you think that's "honorable" or not is another thing, but don't deny reality. It's just pathetic. Hakuho henka'd plenty of people. In fact, this play-off was identical to a bout he had with Kisenosato where the latter matta'd 2 times and Hakuho did exactly what Takekeisho did.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:03:36 UTC No. 168697
>>168583
Even though I've made fun of him a lot, I don't care either way. Obviously I'd like to see someone achieve their dream despite the limitations of his body. I just think his fanboys are annoying.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:03:56 UTC No. 168698
>>168695
>the guy whose only tachiai is to explode directly forward with repeated thrusts to the chest
You're like 5 years late bro.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:07:48 UTC No. 168699
>>168695
>this play-off was identical to a bout he had with Kisenosato where the latter matta'd 2 times and Hakuho did exactly what Takekeisho did
This was nothing like that and you know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrZ
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:09:02 UTC No. 168700
>>168594
Even the English commentators openly talk about how much Takakeisho looks like he's struggling just to breathe.
>>168654
Hoshoryu if he puts on more weight and spends his time practicing kimarite outside of his wheelhouse during practice, not during the first few days of a basho. I personally think that Wakamotoharu has the potential, but we'll see. Reatistically, it's Takakeisho, but injury is the issue with him. Then it falls to the next generation of genetic freaks like Hokuseiho, Hakuoho (if he heals), and Gonoyama.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:10:55 UTC No. 168701
>>168699
The only difference is that Hakuho did it with more grace because he's not built like some weird, thick bird like Hakuho is.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:13:47 UTC No. 168702
>>168701
It wasn't even day 15, and Kisenosato was not in the yuushou arasoi. Hakuhou did it specifically because of the mattas.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:31:11 UTC No. 168709
Today, I will henka.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:32:28 UTC No. 168710
>>168700
>Hoshoryu if he puts on more weight
Hoshoryu has said he doesn't want to gain too much more weight. He's basically fighting at around the same size as Uncle did, give or take.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:54:28 UTC No. 168715
I place a curse on the sumo wrestler known as Takakeisho. He will injure himself in a freak accident during Jungyo in October and will be unable to participate in the November tournament for the first five days. That's all. He can participate afterward just fine, I just need him out of the yuusho arasoi.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 02:03:56 UTC No. 168717
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 02:11:26 UTC No. 168720
>>168715
nah, I hope he does something retarded again, like charging neck first into 500lb ichinojo
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 02:17:55 UTC No. 168721
It was a boring way to end the tournament, there I said it.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 02:53:31 UTC No. 168723
>>168721
Yup
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 03:05:03 UTC No. 168724
>no yokozuna
>only one ozeki seriously in a pretty pathetic yusho race
>11-4Y involving a henka against an M15 21 year-old
>guys I dislike did well (esp. Hokushitho)
>guys I like did poorly/underachieved
>Hakuoho didn't even show up
>Takayasu chokes again
>6-way makushitter playoff
>the best rikishi on the banzuke ended up putting in a decent performance
>first time with multiple ozeki and none of them MK in a year and a half
>Shodai KK
>Takayasu chokes again
>Onosato and Atamifuji with explosive performances as youngsters
>broadly successful newer faces showing a brighter future soon, just not yet
Overall I r8 it 5/10 but I'm bullish on the next one
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 03:16:42 UTC No. 168726
>>168706
>played out identically
not even that is true, unless you mean to say all henka are the exact same match
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 03:35:32 UTC No. 168729
>>168724
Onosato will bring sumo back to the glory days of Asashoryu.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 03:48:18 UTC No. 168733
>>168732
Checked.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 03:52:11 UTC No. 168734
>>168733
Check yourself
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 03:57:27 UTC No. 168735
>>168470
I certainly hope he comes back in November to injure Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 04:08:35 UTC No. 168736
Why does everyone in sumo like enjo kosai so much?
Is it because of tradition?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 04:13:39 UTC No. 168737
>>168736
>Why [do men] like enjo kosai so much?
Because who doesn't like cuddling with and fucking cute and sexy JKs? God knows I'd do it too if I could go to Japan. It's one of my top priorities when I eventually go on vacation.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 05:05:22 UTC No. 168748
>>168747
If either Hokuseiho or Takayasu (or both) would have won their bouts, Keisho would have lost since he wouldn't have been able to do his henka fuckery twice in a row.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 08:40:05 UTC No. 168780
>>168499
>big mongol c-ack!
the mongol reign meme is over.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 08:53:31 UTC No. 168781
>>168664
reddit moment
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 11:34:08 UTC No. 168794
>>168425
>henka in the playoffs
Absolutely disgusting, I could feel myself turn into an 80 year old Japanese man from pure sumo outrage.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 11:43:35 UTC No. 168795
>>168454
I predict that Shiden will be demoted and Farden will be promoted in his place.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 12:22:42 UTC No. 168799
What have we learned this month, anon?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 12:36:51 UTC No. 168800
>>168779
Sublime... I can see clear influence from the old masters of ukiyo-e woodblock printing, mixed with a bold new artistic style for the 21st century, as well as the tasteful fade-out of the subject's torso representing the rise of great sumo champions from the eternal and formless hopes of the Japanese. Magaki-san's expression says it all, he wipes away a tear of joy, knowing that Nippon has reclaimed its place atop the world of art.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 12:38:35 UTC No. 168801
>>168799
Never believe
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 13:27:25 UTC No. 168804
>>168696
The yokozuna run, chimp. Fix your graphic.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 13:37:01 UTC No. 168805
>>168794
Cry more.
Keisho Yokozuna and Abi Ozeki soon.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 13:52:30 UTC No. 168806
>>168747
2 hands overpowered. They need to emergency ban him from using both at once.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 13:54:10 UTC No. 168807
>>168805
in the 28 basho abi has fought in the top division, he has only managed double digits 7 times, with the highest double digit rank being m4.
ozeki abi is more of a delusional take than ozeki WTK
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 13:57:35 UTC No. 168808
>>168807
>Ozeki WTK
>Delusional
I’m please anon this is all I have let me believe
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:06:08 UTC No. 168809
What are my chances of Sekiwake Hokutofuji? If he has a solod tournament and hits 10-5 could he get in?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:09:37 UTC No. 168810
>implying WTK won't use Nordic hyper-roids while recovering and muscle his way to becoming the next dai-yokozuna
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:16:05 UTC No. 168812
>>168808
>Makushita Wakatakakage
He'll be approaching 31 if he flies back to where he could startva run. I like him too, but it may be over for ozeki
>>168809
>8-7 sekiwake promotion
>3 sekiwake with 10, 9, and 9
zero chance.
>10-5
still zero chance with 3 performing sekiwake. look what it took kotonowaka to open a slot
>>168810
Nordic roids dont work on manlets
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:18:17 UTC No. 168813
>>168812
He started late so his body isn't going to be as worn down. See Tamawashi, who started at 21 so he's able to be an old guy
WTK started at 22 so he will probably be able to fight into his late 30s
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:48:55 UTC No. 168815
>>168813
I don't doubt he can fight longer. Nobody is calling for tamawashi ozeki.
Tamawashi isn't a great example to point to considering he hasnt missed a match ever for injury. wtk has missed one other tournament before this big one.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:57:33 UTC No. 168816
>>168747
Our time is soon Hokuseibros.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 15:32:47 UTC No. 168821
>>168816
LEAN ON HIM BILLY
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:04:22 UTC No. 168827
Asashoryu praised Keisho.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:19:42 UTC No. 168829
>>168824
What does one have to do to unexpectedly find themselves in this position?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:42:22 UTC No. 168834
>>168826
I was already a Keisho fan before you posted your reminder.
I just henka'd your strawman, lmao.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:00:27 UTC No. 168836
I heard Hakuho once managed to knock someone out cold at the tachi-ai, does anyone know the which bout that was?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:05:55 UTC No. 168837
>>168827
It kind of reminds me of the end of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s career. He completely lost his knockout power so just resorted to an impenetrable lockdown defense and won on the judges' cards.
The fights may have been slow and boring, but no one could ever beat him.
Takakeisho has found a way to win. If the JSA was that opposed to henka, they could make a rule against it tomorrow and that would be the end of it.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:10:06 UTC No. 168839
>>168838
those poor fools.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:12:14 UTC No. 168841
I think Keisho's win would have made me less upset if I hadn't seen the stuff of Atami crying after
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:15:41 UTC No. 168843
>>168841
That hurt. I don’t know if he’ll ever see it, but that young man should be incredibly proud of himself. He’s proven he belongs among the best in the world, at age 21. Hoping he has a long and injury light career and we’re talking about him in the top division 10 years from now.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:21:52 UTC No. 168845
>>168837
>Takakeisho has found a way to win. If the JSA was that opposed to henka, they could make a rule against it tomorrow and that would be the end of it.
This. The only thing that the JSA is upset about is that their playoff match was a wet fart. They're in the entertainment business, first and foremost.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:30:02 UTC No. 168847
>>168837
He doesn't even henka at a higher percentage than other rikishi.
If Hakuho was in his position, he would henka the other guy even harder.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:32:48 UTC No. 168848
>>168829
exact same thing atamifuji did the other night here>>168526 you get all hyped up on adrenaline getting anxious for the tachiai, then you explode forward with your head down not thinking of any other possibility but him meeting you head on. Both of them should remember to take a breath next time and keep their heads up. In order to respond to your opponent and answer their attack, you have to keep your eyes on them.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:51:59 UTC No. 168849
>>168848
What if Atamifuji had also done a henka? Which was probably the correct play from him desu
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 18:06:50 UTC No. 168850
>>168836
The rikishi who got clocked was Myogiryu
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 18:26:50 UTC No. 168856
>>168836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 18:27:36 UTC No. 168857
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:20:11 UTC No. 168862
>>168856
hakuho slaps someone = goat
takakeisho slaps someone = fat slob
why are sumo fans like this
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:21:47 UTC No. 168863
>>168862
If Keisho actually has the physicality to heem a motherfucker then I'd like him a hell of a lot more.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:24:19 UTC No. 168864
>>168504
How could this happen to me? I've made my mistakes. Got nowhere to run. The night goes on
as I'm fading away
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:31:52 UTC No. 168866
>>168862
>why are sumo fans like this
1. Hakuho didn't slap him, 2. when have you seen anyone say this strawman
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:33:03 UTC No. 168867
>>168863
Hakuho didn't heem people with the slap, but with the forearms.
His slap on Shodai was about as strong as a slap can get, except that it awakened Shodai.
Now that I think about it, if he didn't awake Shodai with that slap, it would be a 12-3 basho without any drama.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:34:14 UTC No. 168868
>>168866
Plenty of people complain about Takakeisho's use of the slap (or of Abi's strategies)
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:35:21 UTC No. 168870
>>168867
>Hakuho didn't heem people with the slap, but with the forearms.
Go back in the conversation chain and see the post that anon replied to.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:55:23 UTC No. 168872
>>168848
that day...that basho... Keisho became a devil...
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:33:20 UTC No. 168885
Right now, Keisho is the main character of Sumo.
Heel Yokozuna Keisho and Face Yokozuna Teru anime arc when?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:38:07 UTC No. 168886
Was the "not putting his hand onto clay" debacle really as big as [spoiler]Chris[/spoiler] proclaims?
Because it feels blown out of proportions (both ways).
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:39:14 UTC No. 168888
>>168449
>GookMoot decided to split /asp/
So that's why I couldn't find it...
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:40:28 UTC No. 168889
>>168888
pro wrestling utterly dominated the board so they just gave it its own board. It is funny to me that the only "sport" that has its own board is pro wrestling.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:41:48 UTC No. 168890
>>168886
Probably not. Didn't Takakeisho himself actually lose an yusho playoff when something exactly like this happened?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:43:10 UTC No. 168891
>>168862
enho brought in too many muscle manlet fags that can't stand takakeisho's dominance
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:43:14 UTC No. 168892
>>168463
>Terunofuji retires
A man can hope.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:44:57 UTC No. 168894
>>168507
That was pretty good. Endo still has it (sometimes).
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:54:42 UTC No. 168896
>>168885
Papayatsu is sumo’s main character and always has been.
I’m not coping you are
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:58:08 UTC No. 168897
>>168525
>A win is a win.
This is sumo, not some ""sport"" for try-hards and mental midgets.
But I don't think he should be bashed this hard for it either.
>>168654
For me it's Rikishi Formerly Known as Kiribayama. Or would be, if he could handle me praising him and shown some consistency for once (or thrice).
>>168696
>the "sideways rope" is a top-down noose
Glad I am not the only one thinking this hehe.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:04:01 UTC No. 168898
>>168897
I’m also on team Kirishima. Maybe in 2025 or so. I think he’s very realistically going to put together at 12-3 and a 13-2 or better.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:05:49 UTC No. 168899
>>168897
>This is sumo, not some ""sport"" for try-hards and mental midgets.
Anything tied to livelihood is for try hards. No one wants to end up having a shit life or being a nobody or end up not making money at all, all in the service of "honor." If you don't want try hards do not involve status, money, prizes etc.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:06:54 UTC No. 168900
>>168896
more like tacoyasu, hokutofuji, and daieisho are the current sideshow failures
>>168898
hes young enough and in his prime strength years.
lot of these ligher guys comes down to can they take enough gearbto be strong while not abusing it so much their tendons fall apart
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:09:41 UTC No. 168901
>>168897
A wise man who knows much more about sumo and what makes a Yokozuna once said
>There are some people who think an 11-4 yusho leaves much to be desired, but what's important is lifting that Cup. It's important that all efforts should go towards that goal. Only one person can win the yusho. That is the important thing.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:09:52 UTC No. 168902
>>168899
>Anything tied to livelihood is for try hards.
To put this into real numbers: a single henka gave Takakeisho an extra 10 million yen up front and a permanent 120,000 yen every other month.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:13:45 UTC No. 168903
>>168899
>involve status, money, prizes etc
this. if you gave me a choice between a hard fought 50/50 win chance or a 80/20 shit looking henka for the title and yokozuna run, its henka time. 3rd world sp sumo posters out there sucking dick for a couple grand. yusho is 10M yen just in cash alone and no dick sucking needed.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:27:53 UTC No. 168907
>>168886
This specific match no, but there is an increasing resentment in the general audience of the fact that Fatfuck never ever ever puts his hands down, and is never called out for it because it's fucking Inosuke.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:30:37 UTC No. 168908
>>168699
Sometimes I forget that Hakuho was a real prick, holy shit. Really the GOAT.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:32:30 UTC No. 168910
>>168907
I always love watching old highlights and seeing them barely touch their fists, if at all, because the more important part was raising together instead of trying to game the tachi-ai like a jackass.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:35:38 UTC No. 168911
>>168901
>A wise man who knows much more about sumo and what makes a Yokozuna
I don't disagree with what he said, but you really should not ever suggest that YDC members are experts on sumo history. They'll say things like "back in the old days, yokozuna never took days off!"
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:40:35 UTC No. 168912
>>168903
>and on the other side of the dohyo is Henkayama - his style of sumo involves sidestepping at the tachi-ai and not much else
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:59:51 UTC No. 168916
>>168913
It's a shame how much citizenship bullshit fucked both him and Kakuryu. Hakuho originally wanted to retired at the end of 2016/beginning of 2017 but wasn't able to secure citizenship until 2019. Had that not been an issue, his legacy as one of the most beloved yokozuna on top of most dominant would be secure, he'd get his ichidai-toshiyori without problem, and we'd be hearing about Hokuseiho and Hakuho leading the Hakuho stable. With Kakuryu, citizenship issues also prevented him from retiring when he wanted to take over Izutsu stable. Instead his stablemaster died, everyone had to move to Michinoku, and the old stable building got sold and torn down, and he still hasn't secured a permanent kabu halfway through his 5 year grace period.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:04:32 UTC No. 168917
>>168907
>using fatfuck to insult rikishi
low iq poster
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:06:53 UTC No. 168920
>>168916
>>168913
>>168908
>>168699
I was watching his matches in one of the tournaments he overtook someone for consecutive wins and he was helping people up, wasnt strutting, no forearms. crazy
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:13:10 UTC No. 168921
>>168920
I think the whole Kisenosato thing broke him.
But it's not that the crowds disliked him. The "plucky underdog fighting against the dominant champion" will always be popular.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 00:36:48 UTC No. 168928
>>168926
lmaoooooooooooo his hands were fucking 2 feet away from the ground
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 01:08:05 UTC No. 168931
>>168838
The only logical solution is to kill all Takayasu fans, so that there is no one left to believe in him. We cannot be assured that there isn't anyone believing in him at any given moment otherwise.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 01:12:17 UTC No. 168932
>>168931
Then it's genocide, anyone new to sumo begins to believe at some point before they learn to embrace the chaos
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 01:44:44 UTC No. 168934
>>168932
Yes, any random person could stumble into sumo and inevitably may feel hope for Takayatsu eventually. If he’s the only human left he A) will have nobody to believe him because surely he doesn’t and B) will have nobody to henka him in a playoff.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 02:02:48 UTC No. 168938
>>168928
Common back then. Synchronizing their start was considered more important as it emphasized both being willing to fight fairly at the same time. It wasn't until some self-important fart huffer with nothing better to do got a stick up his ass that they bothered enforcing the hands being down. The average fan, wrestler, and elder from back then would be appalled at the drawn out shenanigans in the modern tachi-ai.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 02:26:53 UTC No. 168944
>>168934
Could sumo work with 1 person on Earth? Would he win by fusen every day? But that would require the NSK to schedule a bout for him every day, and there is no NSK. There are no opponents to win by fusen against. Would he go 0-15? 15-0? Is there even a cup to win? There's no emperor, either.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 02:34:01 UTC No. 168946
>>168938
>>168941
>It wasn't until some self-important fart huffer with nothing better to do got a stick up his ass that they bothered enforcing the hands being down.
Wrong. The degradation of the tachiai started in the late 1930s, was starting to be seriously complained about by the 1960s, and became formally banned from September 1984 forward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuR
https://youtu.be/jpU57270FFY?t=28 (January 1940)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HH
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 02:37:10 UTC No. 168950
>>168949
No gyoji to go hakkeyoi
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 02:45:42 UTC No. 168952
>>168946
The "degradation" of the tachi-ai started when wrestlers started playing games with their fists instead of standing and meeting together. It's literally in the name of the term. It's not called sonkyo-ai.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:01:26 UTC No. 168954
>>168953
And I wasn't alive 300 years ago so I don't care.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:13:30 UTC No. 168955
>>168954
>the tachiai was always standing up until SOME NERDS RUINED IT, we need to RETVRNNN
>no it wasn't, here's footage of before that and footage of when it started
>o-oh yeah well in Heian Japan they didn't even have a tachiai so! so! I'm right!
>they didn't put their hands down for maybe ~55 of the last 300 years of the sport
>don't care, RETVRNNNNN
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:15:20 UTC No. 168956
>>168955
Ah, I've seen your problem, the problem is that you invented words not in the original argument to try and hide your mental deficiency.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:18:24 UTC No. 168957
>this is somehow by far the most active thread on the board
>the japchop nothing personnel thread is a year old even though you'd expect weebs on a weeb board to be all over that shit
Love it, U lads are my guys, but also odd
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:22:55 UTC No. 168958
>>168956
do you actually believe you're right
are you 45 or older? else you also weren't alive for the standup tachiai era lol
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:24:19 UTC No. 168959
>>168958
Literally my entire argument is that it looks better and represents sumo spirit better than playing timewasting games. Everything else is your personal invention.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:28:34 UTC No. 168960
>>168946
Different anon, but do we know the reasons given at the time for correcting this? Was it just a cultural appeal from traditionalists?
It looks like it'd reduce concussion-related problems and probably also hamper the dreaded henka attempts (less chance to get baited, maybe, since with a semi-standing start you lack the sheer force some rikishi get off of their modern tachi-ai), but it's definitely lesser in terms of aesthetic and history compared to fists-down. Is this something that should be seriously considered for the good of the sport?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:32:36 UTC No. 168961
>>168959
>my entire argument is that it looks better
>>168938
>Synchronizing their start was considered more important as it emphasized both being willing to fight fairly at the same time. It wasn't until some self-important fart huffer with nothing better to do got a stick up his ass that they bothered enforcing the hands being down
hm
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:53:05 UTC No. 168965
>>168960
>do we know the reasons given at the time for correcting this? Was it just a cultural appeal from traditionalists?
Essentially, yes. Former wrestlers as far back as Tochigiyama complained, as well as the public and journalists.
There were then numerous halfhearted attempts to "fix" sumo's tachiai, implying that they understood it was different from how it had been, and all rikishi had to go through various training programs about the "proper" way to perform a tachiai throughout the decades. These they ignored until the NSK unequivocally demanded that it be resolved properly.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 04:11:17 UTC No. 168968
>>168966
I know, but that's still massive compared to the average thread on this board.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 04:39:21 UTC No. 168973
Reminder takakeisho was capable of jogging at the start of his career.
Got me thinking, which Rikishi could actually jog still.
One of the tv show segments last year had some rikishi doing physical challenges against boxers, including some sprints.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 04:53:23 UTC No. 168974
>>168973
I don’t know but Chiyoshoma came to mind as someone who could probably jog reasonably well. He seems light on his feet to me.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:08:41 UTC No. 168977
Any good Takanohana clips?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:20:57 UTC No. 168979
>>168946
>(~1900-1905) video
Fuck are these twinks? This aint muh sumo.
>>168955
sumo was around before the rule you cited from 1716. This means some 1700 daimyo's nerd originally wrecked things, we then tried to return to monke as it should be, until some 1980s (((nerd))) refucked everyone over when they were finally getting their freedom back
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:31:44 UTC No. 168981
>>168973
All the muscle manlets, the waka brothers. Probably Ura, Abi etc
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:08:04 UTC No. 168984
>>168979
>sumo was around before the rule you cited from 1716
I didn't say it wasn't.
>some 1700 daimyo's nerd originally wrecked things
Actually, the history can be reliably traced back to the 8th century. Alternatively, because Sukune is believed to have been a real person on some level, you could say the 4th century.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:09:33 UTC No. 168985
>>168979
>sumo was around before the rule you cited from 1716
I didn't say it wasn't.
>some 1700 daimyo's nerd originally wrecked things
Actually, the history can be reliably traced back to the 8th century, and its rules have been changing all the while. Alternatively, because Sukune is believed to have been a real person on some level, you could say the 4th century.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:39:04 UTC No. 168988
>>168986
KINO!
One day Sumo will be like this again.
I believe.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:12:07 UTC No. 168991
>>168988
4 matches ago we got hoshoryu using a upwards leg sweep and knee pick against hokuseiho. surely you aren't being influenced by cherry picked examples and your own misconceptions of matches back then?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:17:52 UTC No. 168992
>>168991
>surely you aren't being influenced by cherry picked examples and your own misconceptions of matches back then?
Maybe...
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:19:22 UTC No. 168993
>>168664
No, the possibility of being on the receiving end of a henka keeps people honest.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:41:52 UTC No. 168994
>>168973
>which Rikishi could actually jog still.
Pretty much all of them imo, due to the leg muscle they develop, and the sustained training they do on the reg. They may not be able to jog fast, but I bet they could do at least 30 minutes of "running" at a 10 minute mile pace.
Running / jogging, however, is pretty hard on the joints for the average person, let alone rikishi that average 300 pounds plus. They're much better off doing shiko or free squats, as you can get just as good of a cardio workout depending on the pace you use.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:35:52 UTC No. 169003
>>168973
Takakeisho is still capable of jogging now. The complete fog of incomprehension in which you idiots spend your pitiful lives is something to behold.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 11:01:29 UTC No. 169004
>>169003
Post video evidence
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 12:50:35 UTC No. 169011
>>169010
I love how judges and rikishi are openly criticizing Takakeisho's playoff bout but are just like
>Ehhh, fuck it, we need a yokozuna
anyway
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:30:43 UTC No. 169018
>>169004
No evidence needed - evidence would be needed to back up the absurd idea that he couldn't.
The guy fights 20 bouts in a row after several hours of cardio demanding training on a daily basis, before he even hits the weight room.
Every single match he's sprinting and leaping and strafing around as he hunts down his mostly fleeing victims.
So of course he can go for a jog - though he would be wise to avoid the practice, for the sake of his joints, being a large lad n'all.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:30:51 UTC No. 169019
I want Takakeisho to reach yokozuna just see his yokozuna dohyo-iri
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:41:13 UTC No. 169021
>>168913
>>168920
>retire early as the King of Dohyo Dai-Yokozuna or stay active long enough to see yourself become the villain
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:24:30 UTC No. 169048
How many anons could Takakeshio beat up? Say 1 at a time, then the next one. I’d think he’d take down 7-10 before exhaustion brings him down.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:37:00 UTC No. 169055
>>169048
>beat up
Like a non-sumo fight? Just kick him in the knees and he's ground meat.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:38:08 UTC No. 169056
>>169048
If all he's trying to do is knock anons down then a lot. It's only going to take 1 hit. Plus I highly doubt anyone is going to take him down.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:40:05 UTC No. 169059
>>169055
>>169056
I was thinking like a fight, no sneak attacks. Not sumo persay.
I don’t think it’d be easy to “just kick him down”. Dude is extremely quick and his knees frequently support his weight + another man of his size. I think he’d just shove most people to the ground hard and then that would be that.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:41:39 UTC No. 169060
>>169048
I think in a no rules fight keisho could still beat the shit out of 4-8 dudes or even more if he was pissed off. In bull in the ring wrestling practices and football practices I've seen guys take on and beat half a dozen or more serious competitors at the point of exhaustion because they're mean and motivated and fighting their way through it. But battle hamster doesn't have stamina and would fall before the 12th fighter (assuming the anons we're talking about are averagely built and moderately trained in martial arts, basically an army of dyels from fit)
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:02:30 UTC No. 169064
>>169062
Probably the one that uses a full arm extended swing like that consistently.
I notice a lot of rikishi will respond to Harite with Harite of their own, but few usually initiate it.
I'd say Tohakuryu probably employs the most slapping in their style of sumo, out of the top 2 divisions. Dude has 36.2% of his wins by hatakikomi too.
After him, maybe Akua. Akua likes to throw those full arm extended windmill slaps.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:03:03 UTC No. 169065
>>169062
Uhh no? That's like asking if Keisho is the only oshizumo wrestler.
>Tsuppari (突っ張り)
>To rapidly deliver harite (張り手) or 'open hand strikes' to the opponent. This technique is frequently employed by oshi-zumō wrestlers.
Keisho fans are weird.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:06:18 UTC No. 169068
>>169048
0 to 3, depending on the physical fitness level of the particular anon
being massively fat is a huge disadvantage in a fight, contrary to what the average powershitter would have you believe
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:06:28 UTC No. 169069
>>169062
Is Harite like the Stockton Slap in MMA?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:08:08 UTC No. 169071
>>169069
Harite is just any open-hand strike, not necessarily a slap to the face.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:10:32 UTC No. 169072
>>169068
Takakeisho is an elite athlete and is incredibly tough. His problem would be stamina after beating tons of us.
NFL centers are also super fat, super tough dudes and only professional fighters (or very good amateurs) would be able to defeat one of them in a fight.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:13:27 UTC No. 169073
>>169072
>elite athletes and incredibly tough
So are professional ping pong players
>NFL centers
the fattest NFL center doesn't even come close to the weight-height ratio of takakeisho
don't assume everyone as as physically pathetic as you
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:14:19 UTC No. 169074
>>169068
You’re cracked. He’s got much faster reflexes than a huge majority of people and plenty of power. He will get tired very quickly, but nobody who uses 4chan is 50/50 against him. Not even (you)
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:19:13 UTC No. 169075
>>169073
I said Takakeisho has two characteristics
>elite athlete
>incredibly tough
And so are the NFL linemen. Very fat, very tough dudes.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:22:36 UTC No. 169076
>>169074
Yup.
Takakeisho has the power to push a powerful monster like Terunofuji in a good day.
Most people here would start crying after his first charge or his first harite.
Even the weaker dudes like Enho are very strong compared to normal people.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:41:37 UTC No. 169082
>>169076
Yeah, Midorifuji is I believe the lightest in the top division. And he weighs 115kg/250lbs. I’m no monster, 6’2” 200lbs, and I deadlift like 450. A friend asked me if I was stronger than him, and the answer is absolutely not. He throws very large strong men who don’t want to be throw for a job, day in day out. And I pick up a heavy metal stick. There isn’t any comparison.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:45:45 UTC No. 169086
>>169076
People really underestimate the sheer power of sumo wrestlers, solely because they only ever fight other sumo wrestlers. Perma-jobbers in Makushita are bigger and stronger than anyone you've ever met, generally speaking, and a top division champion is easily able to ragdoll any two or three normal men simultaneously. Personally, I think Takakeisho could demolish at least five men before he runs out of batteries, and another three or four more if they didn't get lucky while he was tired.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 19:29:13 UTC No. 169103
>>169086
>Perma-jobbers in Makushita
>100kg squats
some rikishi are strong, most are not. rikishi like abi and Ichiyamamoto may not know what the inside of a gym looks like. hakuho trained conventionally, but we haven't seen more than a two plate speed bench. asanoyama was struggling with a 4pl8 deadlift.
terunofuji is prime example of strong wrestler, but nothing particular crazy. kotoshogiku had a pretty snappy 280kg (iirc) ssb single, and ishiura a 300kg squat on a barbell easily.
basically its all over the place. takakeisho is definitely on the stronger side of things
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 19:58:34 UTC No. 169117
>>169103
Abi is not a powerlifter but he is very good at pushing very large dudes who are very good at staying in a circle out of a circle. That takes some strength.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 19:59:10 UTC No. 169118
>>169064
wtf is this gif lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:09:13 UTC No. 169123
>>169118
kitty clap teehee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlk
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:13:39 UTC No. 169124
>>169123
>do funny little clap
>lose
the genius at work
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:13:56 UTC No. 169125
>>169064
>>169118
>this is the yokozuna candidate for November
I couldn't think of a funnier outcome than this. Keisho is so disgraceful, it's an insult to the sport if he wins next basho. Though it's also the fault of the other sanyaku for not beating him. The absolute state of post-coof sumo.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:20:15 UTC No. 169127
>>169125
No jokes, if this fucking sphereman do the little clap fighting me i would laugh my ass off and lose.
TOTAL GENIUS, but TerunoKINO its to mongol to have a giggle.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:21:58 UTC No. 169128
>>169117
Abi rarely straight up pushes anyone out of the ring. The retard speg slaps to the face is what gets people moving backward. Leverages from his hight and limb length then the body follows the head. Notice that once the slap fails he runs away and if you get on his belt he can't do anything. These are the characteristics of a strong rikishi
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:29:30 UTC No. 169129
>>169124
>>169125
Similar
I only have this gif that's too big for 4chans tiny filesizes, also no idea what year it was.
https://i.imgur.com/bVdHLUH.gif
At this point I'm a keisho fan, it's pretty fucking amazing what he has been able to accomplish.
Goofy shit like this and the neko damashi are just fun.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:29:49 UTC No. 169130
>>169048
Depends h much space we have to run around in :^)
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:30:36 UTC No. 169131
>>169125
>Keisho is so disgraceful, it's an insult to the sport if he wins next basho
Part of the reason why I want Keisho to be Yokozuna (other than that he will deserve it if he wins or get an yusho equivalent and he is the 2nd best rikishi after Teru) is to see the meltdown of redditors who think like this.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:32:41 UTC No. 169132
Posting more Takakeisho
>>169131
I'm kind of at this point too.
Also the morbid curiosity of wanting to see what his Yokozuna Dohyo iri would look like.
I really don't see him pulling it off next basho though.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:33:14 UTC No. 169134
>>168980
tah be h I had no idea this thread or board even existed and I don't recall anyone even referencing this place until the most recent basho. Maybe I just always missed it before.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:41:35 UTC No. 169138
>>169076
jab and move, I have a feeling keisho will not last a 3min round
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:53:30 UTC No. 169142
>>169064
He's about to use John Cena's karate punch he learned in China
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:58:21 UTC No. 169144
>>169136
If you are a sphere clap your hands *sweats and chokes*
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:02:32 UTC No. 169146
>>169140
I think Tobi is far quicker and more durable than 99% of anons.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:04:52 UTC No. 169147
>>169003
>Takakeisho is still capable of jogging now.
Feller gets gassed after walking up the dohyo, jogging in any capability is a death sentence.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:21:10 UTC No. 169150
>>168973
hokutofuji with hair is fucking me up
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:35:31 UTC No. 169155
>>169151
Where did the hair go...
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:37:09 UTC No. 169157
>>169155
Who knows? Does even he know?
Why else would he spend so long pondering with the salt if not to find this answer within himself?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:37:45 UTC No. 169158
>>169155
One of many sacrifices to the sumo gods, like knees and backs.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:56:49 UTC No. 169161
>>169155
He uses it to summon his familiars
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:03:26 UTC No. 169163
>>168973
>>169151
Reminds me of those cartoons where the adult characters look back to their 20s and they have a head full of hair (and everything is 80s themed and there's disco everywhere), then they come back to the present time and they're sad.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:12:09 UTC No. 169164
>>169064
What the fuck is even happening here?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:38:05 UTC No. 169165
>>169164
The genius imitating Hakuho.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:51:01 UTC No. 169168
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:55:47 UTC No. 169170
>>169168
That shit was smooth, goddamn. Sumo needs that flair back.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 23:07:09 UTC No. 169171
>>168989
did the gyoji get overturned on this one?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 23:13:58 UTC No. 169172
>>169170
I wish. To get there I think it needs a rikishi so confident in his sumo that he dares to go out of the box on this sort of thing instead of going straight for the belt or slapping, and we're at least a few years away from even the best among our current crop reaching the horizontal rope, let alone flexing like this
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 23:50:04 UTC No. 169175
>>169123
Why did they just stop mid-way during the fight? This is ridiculous. Shit like this never happens.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 23:56:50 UTC No. 169176
>>169175
>Shit like this never happens.
It happens in two scenarios for the same reason
>both men have grips
>neither men have grips
They arrive at a stalemate so each man doesn't want to commit lest they be countered, so there's a sort of feeling out process.
webm related
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 23:58:25 UTC No. 169177
>>169146
the point isn't that anons = tobizaru, the point is that hamster gasses out too fast to be much of a threat. No one except for the most retarded of retards would stand there and let him unload, they'd move away as he waddles after them.
if it wasn't true that Takakeisho gasses out in seconds, Tobizaru's strategy wouldn't work as well as it does.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 00:32:02 UTC No. 169181
This discussion is weird. It's like we haven't seen some sumo dudes try MMA back in the day.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 00:44:39 UTC No. 169183
>>169175
>Shit like this never happens
fucking newfag watch some sumo before posting.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 01:04:10 UTC No. 169188
>>169181
An UFC fighter should easily beat a rikishi. But I doubt anyone here is a MMA pro.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 02:16:50 UTC No. 169197
>>169181
>It's like we haven't seen some sumo dudes try MMA back in the day
We haven't. All of the sumo wrestlers who competed in MMA were either "world" sumo champions (which is actually an amateur competition with a much lower skill level) or were shitters who never made it to the top division where the actually good wrestlers are. The only exception is Akebono, who mainly competed in kickboxing where he couldn't actually use any of his sumo.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 02:17:04 UTC No. 169198
>>169193
where is asa
This image looks uncanny without him.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 02:18:32 UTC No. 169200
>>169174
Tochinoshin, maybe?
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 03:27:57 UTC No. 169203
>>169197
>Akebono
And that was also after he destroyed his knees and back to the point he explicitly said he was retiring because he didn't think he could physically make a comeback. A few years off will mend some of that damage, but expecting him to have been a world-class fighter after a life in sumo was too unrealistic. John Tenta was originally a sumo wrestler for about a year, and said after retirement that sumo training inflicts more damage on your body than both football and wrestling.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 03:59:25 UTC No. 169205
>>169203
>"...personally I'm disgusted with foreigners and won't take one on again." —Sadogatake-oyakata
Absolutely BASED. I didn't think much of him before but I like him now.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 04:25:28 UTC No. 169208
>>169203
>sumo training inflicts more damage on your body than both football and wrestling
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Not that I'm saying I don't enjoy how archaic sumo is, but still.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 04:36:55 UTC No. 169210
>>169174
Has Terunofuji ever fought someone who just out muscled him? He seems pretty unbelievably powerful
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 04:44:05 UTC No. 169211
A great weight lifts from me every time a tournament starts.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:14:01 UTC No. 169215
>>169214
>how to talk to short people
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:15:53 UTC No. 169216
>>169211
Same. My only wish is that I could actually stick to my promise to really push myself to get more fit between tournaments. There's nothing that hits quite like hanging out with the lads on the 'channel on watching some good sumo for 15 days.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:22:23 UTC No. 169217
>>169210
Well, he's looked out-muscled in recent tournaments, but that's because his knees are so shot that he can't stand his ground the way he would before. He has to lean forward and use his opponent as a support rather than rely on his own legs. It's easy for him to look like he's getting out-muscled when that fails, because he'll get pushed up into a standing position where he has little hope of winning. Or maybe it's more accurate to say he is getting out-muscled, but from the waist down.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:31:46 UTC No. 169218
>>169203
Too bad Tenta had to quit due to "muh dishonorabur tattoos"
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:34:13 UTC No. 169219
>>169216
It's a spiritual thing for me as well. I never hung out with the lads, guess I'll remember /xs/ in November.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:36:18 UTC No. 169220
>>169219
Basho threads are on /sp/
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 08:42:00 UTC No. 169231
>>169174
nah. lot of retard strength maybe. missing the physicality of someone like asashoryu
>>169200
lmao no.
>>169210
ichinojo might count when he beat him during his last yusho.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 09:26:56 UTC No. 169234
>>169205
>"...personally I'm disgusted with foreigners and won't take one on again." —Sadogatake-oyakata
>Takes in Kotooshu
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 13:49:43 UTC No. 169265
>>169214
>based Midorifuji
I think he'll top out at sanyaku, but won't make ozeki. Dude is an absolute beast, though, and one of the most well balanced little dudes that has a rare combo of strength and technique.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:24:48 UTC No. 169273
>>169265
topping out in junior sanyaku is the typical peak of most makuuchi mainstays
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 15:08:21 UTC No. 169277
>>169273
I’ve read that getting to Komusubi is considered a successful career, and getting to sekiwake a really successful career. I think Midorifuji can make it that far!
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 15:37:45 UTC No. 169284
>>169277
Sekiwake Midorifuji implies the possibility of Ozeki Midorifuji, which would be great
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:00:30 UTC No. 169287
>>169231
Retard strength is what I meant. I think Baruto could have feasibly lifted every makuuchi wrestler out. Obviously that's not how it works.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:02:49 UTC No. 169288
>>169235
Those wrestlers were all ass outside of Kotooshu so I dont blame him
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:38:06 UTC No. 169297
>>169277
>getting to Komusubi is considered a successful career
Making makuuchi should be considered a successful career seeing as how they represent the top 10% of all rikishi.
IMO it should be:
>make sekitori
Success
>make makuuchi
Great
>make sanyaku
Excellent
>make ozeki
Among the best
>make yokozuna
Legend
But wtf do I know as a gaijin?
🗑️ . at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:43:09 UTC No. 169299
>>>/vg/447875110
Artificial Academy 2 General /aa2g/ #1293
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Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:48:57 UTC No. 169300
>>169299
How does this keep happening? Are you doing it on purpose?
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:53:39 UTC No. 169302
>>169275
Teru's smile is great.
>Good job, little man. I saw that.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:22:30 UTC No. 169308
>>169220
Strange classification but thank you.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:22:33 UTC No. 169309
>>169300
It's a bot, what the fuck do you think it is? This entire site is infected with bot spam.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:30:19 UTC No. 169311
>>169297
That's a reasonable assessment. Even perma juryoshitters like bushozan are still having comparatively very successful careers.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:38:33 UTC No. 169314
>>169302
>Midorifuji said that he gained his confidence for fighting larger opponents because "I train with the yokozuna (Terunofuji), and he's the strongest one of us all...
based little rikishi
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:33:52 UTC No. 169327
>>169302
>>169314
is he implanting manlet acceptance into teru's mind ? will we get another manlet stable ?
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:54:13 UTC No. 169334
>>169331
>unique style
>adaptable
>shows consistent improvement
Monke winning
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:59:10 UTC No. 169335
>>169334
He's probably at his peak but I hope he stays where he is. Always fun to watch.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:11:31 UTC No. 169336
>>169218
>Tenta had to quit due to "muh dishonorabur tattoos"
Tattoos aren't considered dishonorable, they are extremely strongly associated with the yakuza. For centuries there, tattoos have been their proof of membership, and Japanese people in the 80s felt very uncomfortable seeing tattoos.
It's like if a devout Hindu tried to visit Israel with a bunch of swastikas on his luggage: it's no one's fault, but he's not getting in.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:17:49 UTC No. 169338
>>169336
>For centuries
Nah, just since the Meiji restoration. Before that, tattoos were commonly used for spiritual reasons and even fashion trends. For example, firefighters used to be extensively tattooed under the belief that the kami would protect them. It wasn't until the Meiji tattoo ban that they became exclusively the domain of criminals.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:12:10 UTC No. 169345
>>169331
Tobi's face really is like you asked an AI to make a ukiyo-e painting real.
<3 monke
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:21:03 UTC No. 169349
>>169331
He shouldn't make me seethe but once in a while he does something that I can't forgive (then forget about it the next day).
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:28:56 UTC No. 169350
>>169336
Yeah I am sure the fat ass Canadian with a university tattoo was Yakuza. No one to blame for Tenta leaving except Japan itself.
I also don't see why they couldn't have just kept having him wear something over it.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:37:07 UTC No. 169351
>>169350
I don't see why he couldn't just get them lasered off if he was serious about sumo. However physically strong you are, however good at fighting you are, you will not succeed in sumo if you aren't prepared to devote your life to it. Tenta couldn't take the pressure, and that's perfectly fine, because the vast majority of men can't.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:45:16 UTC No. 169355
>>169351
Q-switched laser tattoo removal wasn't developed until the early 90s, before that your options were continuous-wave lasers or skin grafting, both of which were very painful and left significant scarring.
Either way, tattoo removal wasn't the tipping point. He simply realized he could make more money doing pro wrestling instead, and he was right. Had nothing to do with whether he could "take the pressure."
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:47:48 UTC No. 169356
>>169350
>I am sure the fat ass Canadian with a university tattoo was Yakuza
No one said or thought he was. Did you miss the analogy?
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 00:46:03 UTC No. 169365
>>169355
Pain and low pay is part of the pressure though, isn't it? If you love sumo, suffering must be accepted. If you don't love sumo, there's no reason for any sane man to do it.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 00:52:12 UTC No. 169366
>>169365
It was different in the 80s. With the bubble happening, Japan was throwing money around like crazy. Sometimes literally. Even sumo was reaping the benefits. It's why Chiyonofuji was an icon, not just in the sumo world but in Japanese pop culture. He was everywhere at the time, a handsome looking yokozuna at the top of Japan's national sport at a time when it looked like Japan was an unstoppable juggernaut. But for a foreigner like Tenta, he realized that getting into pro wrestling (and he absolutely was poached by Baba, given how quickly he debuted in All Japan after leaving sumo) meant not only money in Japan, but a guaranteed job back home. If it wasn't for cancer he'd still be a part-timer legend.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 01:32:58 UTC No. 169368
>>169300
I'm not that guy but I also do that shit a lot and I apologize in advance for any shitty magic the gathering posts I accidentally make.
>>169331
I feel like deep somewhere in that face I see Dwayne Johnson
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 04:20:19 UTC No. 169379
Who got the special prizes this basho? I missed that part.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 04:30:52 UTC No. 169382
>>169379
It was only Atamifuji, with the kantoushou.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 04:38:06 UTC No. 169384
>>169382
It’s kinda interesting that we went from like 6 or 7 last basho to just the 1 this time. And with most of the guys competing. It’s pretty wild how back-to-back tournaments can be so different, one of the things that keeps sumo endlessly interesting to me
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 04:44:05 UTC No. 169385
>>169384
A lot of sumoforum was speculating that they were overcompensating for last time, because Midorifuji also had a strong case for the ginoushou with 6 katasukashi.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 05:25:57 UTC No. 169387
>>169176
Man, hakuho was so fun :(
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 13:44:46 UTC No. 169409
>>169177
Yeah but those are a rough few seconds and monkey has learned to weather the storm well, he has good agility and tricky moves even if lacks in the strength department.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:57:06 UTC No. 169432
>no more height and weight requirements
>amateur champs now debut at the bottom of sandanme instead of upper makushita
Interesting. Also hilarious that they basically reacted to Hakuho yet again, because his guy Hakuoho set the record for fastest sekitori debut.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:28:03 UTC No. 169442
>>169432
>Hakuoho the first in history to 7-0 Makushita and reach Juryo on his debut
>rule changes mean he's also the last
That's pretty sad. I don't like it.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:29:12 UTC No. 169443
>>169432
It's afraid
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:33:36 UTC No. 169444
>>169432
As much as I dislike university sumo for making pro sumo worse, I wonder if this is going to have a detrimental effect. University champs will be more inclined to find alternatives to pro sumo, including just taking a normal office job and doing amateur sumo on the side, with it now being much harder to actually make a living off pro sumo.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:39:25 UTC No. 169445
>>169444
>university sumo made pro sumo worse
What did he mean by this
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:45:29 UTC No. 169446
>>169445
Two reasons. First, university puts up to four years of wear and tear on their body through training and competition before they even reach pro. Second, because they're fighting against their peers, they end up training in ways that turn them into "rock paper scissors" specialists when they reach pro. Comparatively, someone who starts from the bottom right out of high school has to wrestle against and defeat a wider variety of ages, styles, and bodytypes in order to make sekitori, making them more well rounded. The result is what we have today: more university grads that can reach makuuchi quickly, but lack consistency due to having to adjust their wrestling styles and a higher chance of injury.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:08:55 UTC No. 169449
>>169446
I believe very few university guys have reached Yokozuna. Maybe like 1?
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:12:42 UTC No. 169451
>>169449
Wajima is the only one, yeah. There have been more university ozeki but they haven't exactly set the world on fire.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:25:56 UTC No. 169453
>>169446
>up to four years of wear and tear
It's not easy to get information on what the training regimens of uni guys are like. Are they so intense as to be one-to-one equivalents of the damage suffered in the pros?
>rock paper scissors specialists
Yeah, I guess. Mitakeumi is good at one thing only.
>wrestling out of the bottom makes you more well rounded
I'm not totally sure on this one, I think there's plenty of rock-paper-scissors type rikishi that come from the bottom. I find it doubtful that your willingness to be flexible or adapt is related to your existence in uni sumo.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:41:53 UTC No. 169457
>Shikimori Inosuke is promoted to Kimura Shinosuke
Is gyoji retirement age also 65?
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:57:49 UTC No. 169459
>>169432
It's more because of Ochiai than some conspiracy against Hakuho. We all knew Hakuoho was a mega prospect before entering pro sumo. He could've made that record under any stablemaster with more than a double digit IQ.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 20:01:15 UTC No. 169460
>>169459
And I guarantee they wouldn't bother if he had done so under a different stablemaster, this is entirely because Hakuho has snapped up multiple top prospects despite being at the bottom of the stablemaster totem pole and they want to curb it.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 20:30:08 UTC No. 169466
>>169457
>Is gyoji retirement age also 65?
Yes.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 20:50:26 UTC No. 169469
>>169432
Next you'll say that they'll allow women in ozumo.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 20:55:22 UTC No. 169470
>>169469
They'll never allow female sumo wrestlers unless someone starts up an entirely separate female sumo association, but I can see them loosening the rules on women on the dohyo for the sake of visiting dignitaries, medical professionals (these two have caused controversy in the past) and possibly even female yobidashi.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 20:56:31 UTC No. 169471
>>169432
source?
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 21:14:19 UTC No. 169472
>>169453
>information on what the training regimens of uni guys are like. Are they so intense as to be one-to-one equivalents of the damage suffered in the pros?
Its a combat sport. The activity itself is wear and tear even without going to the level of professional sumo
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 21:15:07 UTC No. 169473
>>169470
>crochety obaa-san scolding the rikishi
God please yes
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 21:17:59 UTC No. 169474
>>169457
wait, none of the gyoji are over 65? Holy shit some of them look at least 75+. What are they putting in their food?
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 22:08:38 UTC No. 169479
>>169471
>no more height or weight requirements
https://nordot.app/1079810280594030
>changes to tsukedashi system
https://www.nikkansports.com/m/batt
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 22:19:35 UTC No. 169480
>>169432
They're saying that Ms60TD still exists. So it's Ms60 and then Sd100 - bad, but not as apocalyptic as you said.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 22:35:04 UTC No. 169481
>>169460
>, this is entirely because Hakuho ...
The most reasonable speculation I've seen is that this is actually in response to Ichinojou. In the wake of his messy retirement, the riji might have revisited his case and come to the conclusion that he never would have turned into a rebellious ogre if he had spent more time as a toriteki servant, getting hazed and beaten.
If you force them to start at makushita 60, there will be at least a few extra months where they won't be the heyagashira, and therefore time enough to force them to submit.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 22:50:39 UTC No. 169483
>>169463
In other news, Warwick Davis was seen at Gatwick airport boarding a flight to Tokyo. More to follow.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Sep 2023 23:49:52 UTC No. 169490
>>169470
Why? Why the fuck do you pussies always cater to g'damn women?
If bitches want to do sumo, they can form their own fucking organization.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:01:51 UTC No. 169492
>>169481
I believe it.
Ichinojo's story is kind of tragic in retrospect.
>be talented prospect
>join tiny stable with only one top division rikishi ever in its history
>blaze through the ranks and become the second ever and only current sekitori in your heya
>people believe you have yokozuna potential
>get injured
>have to keep competing to keep the lights on because you're the only sekitori
>injuries get worse because can't take time off to heal
>never live up to potential because injuries
>turn to alcohol to cope from the pain since you can't take time off
>become alcoholic
>push away okamisan which she tries to stop you from drinking
>everyone thinks you're a wifebeater now
>win 2 yusho (not so coincidentally after getting a basho off to rest)
>ehh, good enough
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:10:41 UTC No. 169493
>>169490
At ease Frank, no need to get the blood boiling so early in the offseason
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:51:47 UTC No. 169496
>>169492
Sounds like the real issue is how injuries are handled.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 01:07:20 UTC No. 169498
>>169496
Every elder who voted to get rid of the public injury system should've been beaten with golf clubs, they're probably all dead by now.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 01:08:21 UTC No. 169499
>>169490
Reading comprehension, anon.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 04:22:24 UTC No. 169517
>>169493
Fuck you.
>>169499
...and fuck you too.
You are both pathetic simp pieces of shit.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 04:59:23 UTC No. 169525
1889. The lasses set up at the Kiyoike Hachiman shrine in Tendou. Ishiyama Heishirou knew how to put on a hell of a show, with the women balling so hard that the institution would continue, in some form or another, for about 80 years, most of which it would spend under the name "Ishiyama Women's Sumo" in honor of the great founder.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:02:20 UTC No. 169533
>>169168
>that chest palm at the end
kek Hakuho was truly unique.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:26:07 UTC No. 169553
>>169525
I whole-heartedly support the establishment of official onnazumo, with the stipulation that female rikishi wear only the mawashi and never wash it, as the kami intended. Someone should be contracted to write a cool shonen manga about women rikishi, to help boost interest, it might even help revitalise sumo as a whole.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:53:52 UTC No. 169582
>>169581
Seething
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:59:51 UTC No. 169584
>>169581
Sumo fans unironically hate sumo.
Top guy gets beaten by henka/trickery: "He's too one-dimensional and was stupid to be beaten."
Top guy uses henka/trickery to win: "He doesn't have enough dignity and should be ashamed."
Top guy wins using good sumo: "He's too dominant and this is boring."
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 15:05:08 UTC No. 169586
>>169584
no, they just like underdogs and Takakeisho has an anti-halo effect because he looks like a ball
the fact that he looks comedically fat and is also arguably the top active rikishi combine to make him able to do no right
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 15:08:09 UTC No. 169587
>>169586
>no, they just like underdogs
That's the same as what I'm talking about because it's inherently self-defeating. If an underdog loses, it's bad because their guy loses. If an underdog wins a lot, it's bad because he's no longer an underdog. Their ideal would be for lower makuuchi shitters to win every yusho.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 15:39:13 UTC No. 169591
>>169584
I just like watching enormous men brutalise each other, I don't care who wins.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 15:44:09 UTC No. 169592
>>169584
The third one is retarded beyond description but the other two are totally compatible. The top guys are and should be held to a higher standard: both able to defend against the faggotry of maegashitters and unwilling to employ such faggotry to dunk on their inferiors. Faggotry is... le bad!, it's that simple.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 17:50:10 UTC No. 169609
>>169597
Who? I'm too new.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 17:57:09 UTC No. 169613
Failed Henka are embarrassing
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:19:10 UTC No. 169626
>>169584
>Sumo fans unironically hate sumo.
I just don't like seeing shitty sumo. The entire basho led up to that playoff, everyone was hyped up, and instead of it being an entertaining display of power and strength and wits it ended with a wet fart. It's not the kind of sumo I expect from an ozeki or yokozuna.
>b-but hakuho did it too!
I don't care.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:47:09 UTC No. 169637
>>169634
It's just tits.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:59:40 UTC No. 169638
>>169492
Don't know. Pretty much every rikishi constantly competes injured. I think one of the problems with Ichi was that he also seems to be a pretty simple, uneducated man. His Japanese is supposedly pretty poor - thus, he always stayed pretty isolated and was unable to get in contact with good advisors or even able to realize what makes a good or bad advice considering his mental and physical health.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:15:53 UTC No. 169641
>>169637
Precisely.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:44:04 UTC No. 169650
>>169638
Strong and large as an ox though.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:55:44 UTC No. 169654
>thread expired a birrion years ago
>still on page 3
>probably going to remain up until the next basho just because the board is so slow
Does the board software start autobaleeting posts after a thousand, or do the jannies do that stuff manually?
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:16:30 UTC No. 169659
>>169638
back injuries are particularly nasty, even among the shit that rikishi try and fight through.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:24:09 UTC No. 169662
>Keisho won't become Ozeki
>Keisho can't keep the Ozeki ranking
>Keisho won't win another yusho, he is too injured
>Keisho won't become Yokozuna
>Keisho won't win 10 tournaments and become Dai Yokozuna
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:30:49 UTC No. 169665
>>169654
>expired
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:33:11 UTC No. 169666
>>169662
>Keisho can't keep the Ozeki ranking
Wait a minute
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:36:01 UTC No. 169667
>>169638
>Pretty much every rikishi constantly competes injured
http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/top
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:47:56 UTC No. 169668
>>169662
>win 10 tournaments and become Dai Yokozuna
That's something the English internet made up. Daiyokozuna has no specific criteria, it just refers to the greatest legends of the sport. Pic is the kind of list you see on the Japanese internet.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:21:07 UTC No. 169672
>>169668
Are you willing to translate? I think it would be really cool to hear the comparison of Japanese vs English. I’ve heard the term Dai Yokozuna before also, I thought even on NHK
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:38:38 UTC No. 169678
>>169672
Edo (pre-1868): Tanikaze
Meiji (1868-1912): Umegatani (probably the first, as the second had joint rule with Hitachiyama)
Taisho (1912-1926): Tachiyama, Tochigiyama
Showa (1926-1989): Futabayama, Taiho, Kitanofuji, Chiyonofuji
Heisei (1989-2019): Takanohana, Asashoryu, Hakuho
Reiwa (2019-now): N/A
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:39:03 UTC No. 169679
>>169672
It's Tanikaze, Umegatani I, Tachiyama, Tochigiyama, Futabayama, Taihou, Kitanoumi, Chiyonofuji, Takanohana, Asashouryuu and Hakuhou.
If you stick with the ten rule, you would have to add to that list Musashimaru, Akebono, Wajima, Kitanofuji, Wakanohana I, Tochinishiki, Tsunenohana, and Inadzuma - practically doubling it.
To be clear, that's just one guy's list that popped up when I googled for daiyokozuna lists. I would argue that any daiyokozuna lineup cannot exclude Hitachiyama.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:44:52 UTC No. 169681
>>169679
>>169678
Thank you both so much for translating and for the explanation. I’ve found this place has really taken my enjoyment of sumo up and little things like this are why!
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:53:27 UTC No. 169683
>>169679
>I would argue that any daiyokozuna lineup cannot exclude Hitachiyama.
Umegatani II had a better record, and yusho weren't officially counted until both were being surpassed by Tachiyama. It's close enough that historically that era was considered equal between the two as a great rivalry, rather than either being clearly dominant over the other. Akebono didn't do as well to have that distinction with Takanohana (yes the stable stacking was part of the reason but don't discount that for past daiyokozuna as well).
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:02:07 UTC No. 169687
>>169581
I think it's the whole scenario. He's an ozeki who henka's an underdog guy in the play off. If he had henka'd like Hoshoryu or something, I doubt the outrage would be even half as much. I think the whole "villain defeated the underdog we were all rooting for" effect is the cause of most of the asshurt.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:07:13 UTC No. 169688
>>169683
I'm not looking at all at yuushou counts because those are next to meaningless when you're as far back as Meiji.
>Umegatani II had a better record
No? Not at all. Even if he had, I would say you're not looking at his comical number of draws. That drives him down hard for me.
>that era was considered equal between the two as a great rivalry
Well, people also said Hakuhou and Harumafuji was a great rivalry, and that was 37-22.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:13:07 UTC No. 169689
>>169687
Personally I wasn't even rooting for Atamifuji. It was obvious from their regulation match that he didn't have a hope against Takakeisho in a fair fight. But for that exact reason it's all the more shameful that Takakeisho didn't *give him* a fair fight.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:31:38 UTC No. 169690
>>169689
Atami probably stood a pretty decent chance against a *gassed* Takakeisho though, which is actually the reason why I think he went for a henka
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:47:06 UTC No. 169691
>>169689
I would think Atamifuji would have, what, a 25-33% chance of winning in a head on fight? Clearly he wasn’t going to win, but I wouldn’t call it hopeless.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:49:31 UTC No. 169693
>>169626
>wits
the genius outwitted him. simple as. his brain power toi immense.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 23:04:47 UTC No. 169697
>>169693
I have to admit that geniusposting is hilarious, the silver lining on this fart cloud.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Sep 2023 23:56:02 UTC No. 169706
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/c
better than shikimori inosuke. did he fuck up some calls in the last basho?
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 01:35:59 UTC No. 169721
>>169706
Can't access due to yahoobarrage. Archive/translation if applicable? My big flaw as a sumo fan is I can't into moonrunes beyond the most superficial level.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 01:47:22 UTC No. 169724
>>169721
The second highest gyoji is retiring. That's about it.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 02:09:48 UTC No. 169725
>>169724
Damn, so just at the moment he was about to be promoted to tate-gyoji? Crazy, it does seem like there must be something behind that. Well, whatever gets my man Konosuke up into the big seats faster, I guess.
Anyway, thanks!
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 02:33:10 UTC No. 169730
>>169725
No, the one below that one.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 05:55:04 UTC No. 169757
>>169706
Any reasons given why he is retiring? Personal grudge because he didn't get promoted or just health reasons?
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 10:24:00 UTC No. 169789
>>169730
NAYRT but the two top gyoji are called the tate-gyoji. The current/former Shikimori Inosuke was tate-gyoji already before this promotion, and typically everyone below is supposed to be promoted up after him so there would have been two tate-gyoji for the first time in like a decade (and presumably still will be).
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 13:30:00 UTC No. 169819
Atamifuji dashed in a way where Keisho's only option was to slightly move in order to avoid the grab and slap him down.
Keisho is the real victim here.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 13:57:50 UTC No. 169824
>>169789
>>169725
If he was going to get promoted then they would've announced it the same time they announced the current Shikimori Inosuke would be the new Kimura Shonosuke. Tate-gyoji positions are honorary, not guaranteed, as made obvious by the fact that this will be the first Kimura Shonosuke in 8 and a half years.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:47:48 UTC No. 169837
>avulsion fracture in lower vertebrae
Terunofuji is dead on my screen
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 15:56:38 UTC No. 169849
>>169837
Plz no. He needs those 2 more basho. Nov 2023 and May 2024, then he can retire. And WTK gets back to the top division July 2024. Let me have this.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 18:52:31 UTC No. 169888
>>169886
The yokozuna run starts here!
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 19:02:19 UTC No. 169891
>>168504
A win is a win. It'd be shameful to not try and win without using every single tool you have access to.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 19:24:41 UTC No. 169894
I saw some redditors saying Terunofuji would fight just so that Keisho wouldn't get the promotion.
Wouldn't Terunofuji want Takakeisho to be Yokozuna more than anyone not from Takakeisho's stable/family?
It would really make his life easier if there was another Yokozuna.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:29:07 UTC No. 169900
>>169787
you must be new here sweaty, stop trying so hard
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 23:52:05 UTC No. 169922
>>169900
No, faggot, I'm not "new". Fuck off back to >>>reddit where you can find other pathetic beta pussies willing to lower themselves to be the disgusting cuck scum that you are. Better yet, just kys already and be done with it...
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 23:58:31 UTC No. 169925
>>169924
Fuck off, faggot.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Sep 2023 23:59:22 UTC No. 169926
Hokuseiho will be Yokozuna by 2027
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:02:54 UTC No. 169927
>>169926
Hokuseiho will be yokozuna by 2025. Hakuoho will be yokozuna by 2026. The era of the eternal Hakuho part 2 oyakata boogaloo will be upon us.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:05:24 UTC No. 169928
>>169926
Maybe when he learns proper tachi-ai and muscles up a bit, I could see him being a budget Teru if he learns to clamp motherfuckers.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:20:50 UTC No. 169930
>>169926
What new nationality will the coaches talent scouts recruit to overturn the "Just be tall, stand there and wait" lanky mongol meta?
Māori maybe? They would come with the added motivation that if they beat you, they'll try to eat you. They just have to think of a work around for the tattoos.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:22:18 UTC No. 169932
>>169930
>They just have to think of a work around for the tattoos.
Augmented reality projects on the dohyo
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:58:37 UTC No. 169935
>>169930
Eskimos. Nobody knows a damn thing about them so it'll shake up the meta.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 00:59:31 UTC No. 169936
>>169933
Thanks for confirming, Anon. Tbh I think the NSK are being faggots about the promotions (and have been for a long while). Is Hakkaku just too jewy to want to pay tate-gyoji salaries or what? The "bad calls" thing seems like a shitty excuse.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 01:00:50 UTC No. 169937
>>169928
His tach-ai makes me laugh.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 01:07:05 UTC No. 169940
>>169936
>Is Hakkaku just too jewy to want to pay tate-gyoji salaries or what?
They can't even afford to pay yobidashi for overtime work right now, probably yeah.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 03:05:03 UTC No. 169948
>>169930
American football is widespread enough in Japanese high schools and universities that they could try recruiting linemen who know they probably won't even have a decent X-League career, let alone make the NFL.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 04:15:05 UTC No. 169955
>>169930
Korea and its folk wrestling Ssireum.
>ssireum like sumo has no weight classes and is big in the 80s & 90s
>flash forward to modern era
>popularity waning and only watched by older people
>introduce weight classes and lower max weight limit
>make thirst trap video
>younger people get hooked
>lower max weight limit even further to ensure steady supply of ripped young wrestlers
All the big guys have nowhere to go.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 06:32:42 UTC No. 169969
>>169940
I would gladly pay a fee every two months to watch sumo in English.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 07:14:49 UTC No. 169972
>>169933
Chris is the farthest thing from objective, but the way he discussed it made it sound like the gyoji who was promoted instead is a bit of a fuck-up who's one year from retirement, and the decision was the association throwing him a bone. Reason enough to quit.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 07:32:44 UTC No. 169975
>>169972
There are 2 tate-gyoji positions Kimura Shōnosuke and Shikimori Inosuke. The current Inosuke is being promoted to Shōnosuke which has been vacant for several years and will leave the Inosuke spot vacant. Tamajirou who is/was the most senior and well regarded san'yaku gyoji (the rank immediately below tate-gyoji) expected to be promoted to the now vacant Inosuke spot upon the current Inosuke's promotion or retirement but wasn't.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 11:17:41 UTC No. 169992
>>169972
If you're a newer fan, Inosuke #41 is a stroke victim who fucks up with remarkable regularity by getting in the way of matches. Since his stroke, I think he has literally never done his kaobure duties on all of the days he's supposed to. Ultimately he's nowhere near the worst Inosuke ever, but he doesn't deserve the promotion on merit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH_
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 13:43:07 UTC No. 170012
>>170000
I like the Joe Pesci expression.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 13:46:19 UTC No. 170015
>>170000
Is one of those women his wife?
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:25:06 UTC No. 170038
>>170013
Damn, this kind of puts in perspective why rikishi destroy their knees so much.
What kind of force are the knees of someone like him or Terunofuji subjected to?
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:39:47 UTC No. 170043
>>168434
Are these their real answers?
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:42:03 UTC No. 170044
>>170043
Yes
Keep in mind unless they state otherwise they're usually referring to the manga instead of the anime.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:43:32 UTC No. 170045
>>170000
quads for kaisei's 4 quadruple harem
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:44:50 UTC No. 170046
>>170013
Takabros, its our time to break Terunocucki spine with our always trustful sweat thrust.
Our time is NOW!
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:48:12 UTC No. 170050
>>170013
Watching Takakeisho do something other than gas himself mounting the dohyo makes him more likeable. He reminds me of Grizzly with that weird form.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:49:30 UTC No. 170051
>the year is 2024
>Yokozuna Takakeisho joins a yusho midway, since he was injured
>last match of the tournament
>a plucky underdog is 12-2, while Abi is 13-2 but got injured in the last bout
>Takakeisho henkas the underdog
>Abi yusho (also Ozeki promotion)
How would reddit react?
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:53:11 UTC No. 170053
>>170051
Takakeisho henkaing the Yokozuna Committe on January. How would Japan government react?
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 16:07:50 UTC No. 170057
>>170013
He’s got a realistic shot. He’s certainly not 50% odds to win the yusho. But he’s a competitive candidate.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 16:14:19 UTC No. 170059
>>170053
>punished Takakeisho
>changes Shikona name to Takanohana after being snubbed for two Basho
>using forearm strikes, henkas, etc goes back to back 15-0
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 17:36:06 UTC No. 170067
>>170015
Yes, Japanese lady in kimono. From L-R sister, wife, mother, brother.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 17:39:09 UTC No. 170068
>>170059
>changes Shikona name to Takanohana
That would've been the greatest kino.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 17:46:26 UTC No. 170069
>>169988
I miss her, bros...
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 18:42:16 UTC No. 170085
>>170067
>fatfuck Brazilian got himself a cute Japanese wife
>I'm a fucking loser living alone paycheck-to-paycheck and I have autism
I'm gonna end it.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:51:09 UTC No. 170090
>>170085
Join sumo instead. You could probably make Jonidan.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 00:43:40 UTC No. 170118
>>170085
Kaisei is part Japanese.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 00:47:07 UTC No. 170121
>>170013
Is this kind of stuff actually good for your knees? I'm overweight but I want to start exercising, but I'm afraid of doing squats and lunges and stuff.
sage at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 02:17:40 UTC No. 170129
>>170121
if your knees are fucked, start light and work your way into it. The worst thing you can do for their health is sit around and do nothing. The stuff he's doing there is probably fine for your knees; just stop if you start feeling pain.
Emphasis on start light, I've seen a 350 pound guy take one bad step off a treadmill and break his leg. Didn't ask what part, didn't really want to know, but if you hear a bone snapping apart once you don't forget it.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 05:11:00 UTC No. 170150
What is going to cause the most amount of seething? Yokozuna takakeisho or choked again takakeisho?
I need to know which one to support.
Im thinking yokozuna takakeisho would piss the most people off, especially after last basho
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 05:59:23 UTC No. 170155
>>170150
I think you're right, but it will also have more strongly positive reactions. Another choke is more standard and thus a more neutral reaction both from pro and anti factions.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 06:11:16 UTC No. 170158
>>170140
kek
even 9 years ago tochi's heel was touching first
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 06:40:10 UTC No. 170160
>>170136
That looks like fun.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 09:53:03 UTC No. 170175
>>170150
Yokozuna. Even as someone who doesn't particularly like Takakeisho's style of sumo, I hope that he achieves his dream - mostly because it'd be funny.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:02:21 UTC No. 170176
>>170150
Yokozuna Takakeisho, by far.
>>170155
It is not a choke if he failed because of injury.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:55:06 UTC No. 170187
>>170176
>It is not a choke if he failed because of injury
Getting injured when you're the highest ranker in the whole basho sounds like a choke to me.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 14:40:31 UTC No. 170201
>>170187
Then I guess Hakuho is bad too right?
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 14:56:45 UTC No. 170204
>>170201
In every single tournament Hakuho's pulled out of, there's been at least 1 other yokozuna and multiple ozeki. Get fucked.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 16:17:25 UTC No. 170209
>>170187
This is stupid.
Getting injured is many times out of your control. Choking is a psychological, not a physical thing. Terunofuji gets injured a whole lot and is not a choker.
>>170204
I'm quite sure Hakuho didn't fight all tournaments between Teru's promotion and Kakuryu's retirement.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 19:41:16 UTC No. 170237
>>170201
Unquestionably yes.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Oct 2023 21:11:04 UTC No. 170253
>>170251
He’d go 9-6 as m11 at best today
sage at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 15:46:11 UTC No. 170331
>>170298
nice photo, thanks anon
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:06:54 UTC No. 170363
https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/arti
>On the other hand, ozeki Takakeisho, who won his fourth championship, was unpopular overseas
>"He should shown that he can beat Atamifuji without side-stepping him."
>"This playoff shows that he will never be a yokozuna. It's sad."
>"What a shameful playoff."
>"I don't respect him as an ozeki."
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:15:03 UTC No. 170364
>>170363
Must be a really slow news day.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:08:48 UTC No. 170372
>>170363
>This playoff shows that he will never be a yokozuna. It's sad."
Lol
Hakuho would probably Henka if he was gassed, a championship was in the line and someone overcommitted.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:15:35 UTC No. 170373
>>170372
Ozeki Hakuho wouldn't have needed to. Yokozuna Hakuho only henka'd to be a jackass. Only broken down "only clinging on for citizenship and elder stock" Hakuho henka'd to win.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 22:05:01 UTC No. 170378
>>170373
Hakuho wasn't Ozeki for a long time. And the point is, Hakuho was a pragmatist who would have no problems doing the Henka to win.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 22:38:41 UTC No. 170381
>>170378
>Hakuho wasn't Ozeki for a long time
Exactly
> Hakuho was a pragmatist who would have no problems doing the Henka to win
And he had the skill that he didn't need to until he started breaking down. Takakeisho does not have yokozuna skill, which is why he's resorting to henka this young and still at ozeki.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 23:47:43 UTC No. 170385
>>170381
>yokozuna skill
His problem is not skill, but injuries.
When he is healthy he competes for the title. This is literally what "Yokozuna skill" is.
If he wins the next tournament, that means 3 tournaments in a year.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 23:55:40 UTC No. 170387
>>170385
at this point there are a lot of Yokozuna with a worse yusho record than Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 06:28:02 UTC No. 170415
>>170389
With the success of Sumo Plime Time, I'm leaning towards this.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 09:37:29 UTC No. 170426
>>170415
The Japanese have wanted international interest in sumo for a long time, I think a lot of them can't quite believe it's starting to gain momentum. There's still plenty of opposition to opening up Japan's national sport, but there's an undercurrent of progressive thinking (or as progressive as anyone could expect from something so hidebound) and it's beginning to bear fruit. Sumo Prime Time is impossibly cringeworthy and low effort, but the simple act of putting it out there is an enormous step, which is why I personally make an effort to show support.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 10:12:16 UTC No. 170429
>>170426
The Japanese in general have a serious issue with believing that their media is desired in the West, and precisely BECAUSE it's different than what's produced over here. They still have a strong undercurrent of isolationism in their thinking that they just can't seem to get rid of.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 12:27:32 UTC No. 170432
>>170429
>The Japanese in general have a serious issue with believing that their media is desired in the West, and precisely BECAUSE it's different than what's produced over here.
This is interesting in some other media, where Japanese executives sometimes to "make it more successful in the West" make changes that make it less popular over here.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:09:16 UTC No. 170435
>>170433
Your post has zero percent to do with mine and I don't even get why you made it.
Argument:
Henka means you are not Yokozuna material
Counter argument:
Hakuho was Yokozuna and Henka'd
You either concede you were wrong or somehow claim Hakuho was a bad Yokozuna, that to be Yokozuna is about more than winning and that he was not Yokozuna material but should stay as Ozeki for a lack of composure or whatever.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:35:52 UTC No. 170437
>>170435
you're a fucking idiot. no idea where you got all that shit. my post only said hakuho is a bad example to use.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:13:40 UTC No. 170449
>tatsunami stable
We will finally get a glimpse into strongman doing sumo. He is nowhere near to his top strongman form and obviously far from the his stack he used to win the Rogue or Arnold, but should be enough to compare the athletes. Wonder if the golden boy will show up
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:26:21 UTC No. 170451
>>170437
You are being dishonest.
The argument is about if behavior like using Henka means someone is not fit to be a Yokozuna.
You are just arguing for the sake of arguing to avoid recognizing you were wrong.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:27:29 UTC No. 170452
And if anything, Hakuho is a good example. If Hakuho is considered the best Yokozuna, you can't argue acting like he did is bad.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:06:22 UTC No. 170473
The argument was not that using a henka in and of itself was not fit for yokozuna. The argument was that needing a henka to win is not fit for yokozuna. Hakuho in his prime did not henka because he needed to. He only did so if some guy was pissing him off and he wanted to humiliate them. He only had to resort to henka to win when he was old and broken down and should have already retired. More accurate to the conversation, Hakuho did not henka as an ozeki in order to reach yokozuna.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:27:43 UTC No. 170479
>>170473
Just joining this conversation right now but isn't the difference between using henka to win and needing henka to win kind of nebulous? Who's to say Takakeisho couldn't have won without henka?
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:28:16 UTC No. 170480
Old and broken down Hakuho, in the last 3 years of his career had 13.8 average wins in the tournaments he completed totally. 5 tournaments, 4 Y and 1 JY.
That a good Yokozuna.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:30:04 UTC No. 170481
>>170479
>Who's to say Takakeisho couldn't have won without henka?
Takakeisho said, when he henka'd.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:05:39 UTC No. 170493
>>170481
See that argument doesn't work because you said that hakuho didn't henka because he needed to which contradicts the idea that using henka is an admission that you need it.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:08:02 UTC No. 170494
>>170493
Look, lets simplify it for you
Hakuho good henka
Takakeisho bad henka
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:08:04 UTC No. 170495
>>170493
The argument works because Hakuho is the GOAT and Takekeisho is a mediocre ozeki, simple as
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:15:23 UTC No. 170500
I'm starting to like Keisho for the seethe he causes.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:34:23 UTC No. 170504
>>170495
Takakeisho is literally the 2nd best ozeki ever.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:54:51 UTC No. 170510
>>170429
>They still have a strong undercurrent of isolationism in their thinking that they just can't seem to get rid of.
Which is good, and the main reason their nation hasn't been overun by shitskins and kikes like the formerly white western societies.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:59:12 UTC No. 170511
>>170504
Only if you eliminate all ozeki that failed to reach yokozuna, and since almost half of all ozeki reached yokozuna that means an ozeki who doesn't is by definition mediocre at best.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 19:10:02 UTC No. 170513
>>170511
There is a non negligible amount of yokozuna with fewer or equal titles as Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 20:28:39 UTC No. 170519
>>170513
They're still better than Takakeisho because they made yokozuna.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 21:24:56 UTC No. 170520
>>170511
You’re literally retarded. Besides, even if you were right (which you’re not), a poor Ozeki is still a phenomenal rishiki.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 21:26:34 UTC No. 170521
>>170520
But I wasn't talking about how they are as rikishi, I'm talking about how they are as ozeki and yokozuna. Takakeisho is a mediocre ozeki and not yokozuna material. How he is compared to maegashitters is irrelevant.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 21:30:55 UTC No. 170522
>>170504
>>170511
He's the second-best of the worst ozeki, how about that?
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Oct 2023 21:56:52 UTC No. 170527
>>170504
Takakeisho may have more yushos under his belt, but Goeido has him beat p4p. When he was firing on all cylinders, he was in a different league entirely. Even his jun-yushos are stronger performances than most of Takakeisho's actual yushos.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:50:51 UTC No. 170557
>>170527
This. I remember when people were talking shit on Goeido's unevenness because I watched sumo through that entire era unlike some of these newniggers, and that was in the six-ozeki/four-yokozuna period that was completely different from this in terms of challenge at the top end. Goeido being wobbly when he had to potentially fight eight massive champs (let's be real, Kisenosato was never a potential opponent) is far more understandable than Takakeisho being persistently wobbly when he has to... push Abi.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:55:52 UTC No. 170558
>>170557
>let's be real, Kisenosato was never a potential opponent
Not sure what you mean by this, Kisenosato was Goeido's third most fought opponent as an ozeki, second most if you include fusen since they were still scheduled.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 01:04:48 UTC No. 170559
>>170558
To clarify, Goeido's third most ozeki/yokozuna opponent.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:15:11 UTC No. 170576
>>170558
this. goeido was 15/40 against kisenosato
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 04:37:04 UTC No. 170580
>>170363
>>"He should shown that he can beat Atamifuji without side-stepping him."
Didn't he beat Atamifuji already in that tournament or am I just brain damaged?
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 09:45:51 UTC No. 170599
>>170558
I'm just making fun of Kisenosato's dire yokozuna career tb h
>captcha: DR0NK
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:28:32 UTC No. 170610
>>170595
Nobody cares, Gunning, stop shilling him.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:11:52 UTC No. 170623
>>170595
Literally who?
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:59:52 UTC No. 170632
>>170608
Kek, brutal if true
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 15:11:40 UTC No. 170633
>>170580
Yes, on day 13. Which demonstrated that he had the ability to do it without a henka, which is why people think the henka was so lame on his part.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 15:17:58 UTC No. 170634
>>170595
I saw an interview where Konishiki was told early in his career to stick with pushing and thrusting because most of the other rikishi had been doing sumo since they were kids and would destroy him on the belt due to his lack of experience. So if this guy doesn't have sumo experience, he still has a chance to do well with some good aggressive pushing and thrusting, which is similar to what is required as a football lineman / defensive lineman, and is the same background Konishiki had.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:25:56 UTC No. 170642
>>170608
lmao
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:53:11 UTC No. 170647
>>170634
>So if this guy doesn't have sumo experience
He's literally an amateur yokozuna, that's the reason why he's a big deal and why it's a big deal that he left sumo to try and make the NFL (he's currently a redshirt at Colorado State).
This is actually a brilliant career move, because even if he doesn't make the NFL his training as a lineman combined with his amateur sumo experience would do wonders if he went to pro sumo, provided his football career doesn't irreparably injure him.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 18:05:19 UTC No. 170664
>>170634
he’s going the other way. From sumo to football.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 18:23:08 UTC No. 170670
>>170608
Asanoyama is at the head of the line of being a perpetual upper maegashira / low sanyaku, never winning another yusho, and retiring in shame.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 19:43:23 UTC No. 170678
>>170647
>>170664
My bad. Nice. Hope he does o.k. and doesn't get injured.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Oct 2023 22:03:26 UTC No. 170694
>>170678
Me too. It’ll be interesting to see how his skills translate.
Anonymous at Fri, 6 Oct 2023 12:28:36 UTC No. 170802
>>170694
>opposing player comes charging
>two-armed neck thrust
>repeated harite
>it goes to the belt!
>kotenage, the fool forgot we don't wear mawashi in this sport
>triumph
>ball???????
>Takakeisho is here??
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 07:46:28 UTC No. 170958
Any news other than the gyoji quitting? Any injuries? YDC comments? Scandals? Run over toad sports articles? Anything?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:02:20 UTC No. 170960
>>170958
This is the big lull that always comes a few weeks after a basho. It's too early to say who's in or out, training is only just starting to ramp up again, all the basho in review articles have been published; now, we've got nothing to do but wait.
Personally, I like to occupy my time between bashos by reading up on old-timey sumo stuff - if I haven't seen it, it's new to me.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:46:10 UTC No. 170971
>World Sumo Championships ongoing
>Eddie Hall nowhere to be seen
KWAB
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:18:27 UTC No. 170980
Very nice video from sumo prime time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FA
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 15:34:41 UTC No. 170993
>>170608
Asanoyama is done for, his toe injury is not gonna heal properly, it's been fucking him for 3 bashos now.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 17:34:15 UTC No. 171000
>>170980
RIP Kaisei
Lets hope Asakayama beya can produce another consistent Sekitori.
I'm a big Kaisho fan but his last 2-5 at ms3 is pretty sad.
I've love to see him make Makuuchi at least once.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 19:31:30 UTC No. 171014
>>171010
titta
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 19:54:03 UTC No. 171022
>>171019
I find that comment from Hakuho to be really interesting because it perfectly highlights his view of sumo.
To Hakuho, a sumo wrestler's job is to win in the ring, and any kind of consideration for the opponent during a fight could slow you down.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 20:19:10 UTC No. 171027
>>171022
>only one left standing in that pic
grim
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 20:48:49 UTC No. 171032
>>171022
It can go different ways, it can also be seen as a "warrior's mentality" where showing kindness to the opponent is a sign of disrespect. You beat the shit out of each other with no quarter to get the win by all means possible, and then go for beers after.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Oct 2023 22:29:37 UTC No. 171051
>>170971
i don't know if that video got enough attention, and martin licis is already there. too much for two guys doing sumovat the same time
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 05:48:09 UTC No. 171099
>>170013
It’s now or never
>easy yusho when he should’ve just put up 8
>teru no healthy at all
>sanyaku back to their jobbing sloppy ways
>statistically his best month
The only real threat is a surprise megashitter or sekiwake championship since ozeki are back to being cursed
It’s now or never
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 06:31:54 UTC No. 171102
>>171099
I'd almost see it the other way around
>nobody in sanyaku performing particularly well
>other ozeki not in contention for yusho at all
>only manages to plop out an 11-4 playoff yusho over a maegashitter
I'd expect sobrino to be closer to competitive with the yushozeki hangover past him and presumably Kiri two months further separated from his recent injury troubles, I think Keisho's gonna have a rough time of it in Kyushu
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 10:05:23 UTC No. 171112
>>171110
Who was the Japanese wrestler?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 10:07:45 UTC No. 171114
>>171112
I know no names
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 11:49:49 UTC No. 171120
>>171102
When he is healthy, Takakeisho is expected to beat the other Ozeki.
The biggest thing here is that he managed to win a yusho while still recovering from his injury. For the next tournament he should be healthier than in the last one.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 12:30:03 UTC No. 171122
>>171121
>adjusted
>takakeisho still a teir below a full tier of jobbers
the whole s rank is a trash list and needs fixing.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 13:04:12 UTC No. 171124
>>171121
I must be retarded because this has me weeping with laughter every time it's posted.
>>171122
>local geniusposter displays his brain power
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 13:34:35 UTC No. 171126
>>171124
Someone should send it to Hiro Morita and tell him it's official from overseas. Imagine a Smoh Plime Time episode where he just goes through the chart.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:04:29 UTC No. 171130
>>171127
Nice attempt lad but I'm a Bravura fan, it's not about the yushos for me but the occasional wild technique. That's what my boy got that nobody else puts out there.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:07:04 UTC No. 171132
>>171126
You'd have to ambush him live, I can't imagine him sitting down, looking at this and deciding to tape a show about it, as hilarious as it would be.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:29:40 UTC No. 171135
>>171120
I think that’s the wrong way to look at it. Both Kirishima and Hoshoryu are serious threats to him. Kirishima was also recovering from injury and looked decent this tournament, and Hoshoryu beat TKK and will have worked through some of the new Ozeki nerves. Takakeshio has very tough competition ahead of him.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 14:51:21 UTC No. 171139
>>171135
Kirishima is 7-8 against takakeisho, so thats a coin flip with the edge to takakeisho
Hoshoryu is 3-7. Its fine to say takakeisho is expected to beat him till Hoshoryu proves otherwise.
>ozeki nerves
its less nerves and more of a slump. he just lost making ozeki as a driving force and missed a bunch of practice due to events. yokozuna is still there, but that fire doesn't seem to have started yet.
if he won the last tournaments, he might have been in the position where a jun was enough to get promoted in the next tournament.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:42:00 UTC No. 171149
>>171127
>Holds poster for camera
>Already sweating
How does one achieve this kind of power?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 17:25:10 UTC No. 171158
I love Sumo so much bros
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 18:26:29 UTC No. 171165
>>171133
Kek
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 18:26:33 UTC No. 171166
>>171133
high quality edit. 10/10
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 20:15:15 UTC No. 171188
>>171133
Saved that shit so hard
>Max image limit hit
God damnit /xs/
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 20:58:50 UTC No. 171193
>>171110
>>171110
I watched pretty much the whole thing.
From the beginning, the production quality of the stream was not great, with limited visual information, them getting the wrong nameplates onto the screen, switching to the wrong camera angle etc. This happened pretty consistently throughout the stream.
None of the repechage rounds even got nameplates, which made shit even harder to follow.
Honestly, there's a lot of skilled guys, even outside of the Japanese team. That tall dude fighting for men's middleweight from Kyrgyzstan was really good, even though he lost to the Japanese guy. I think with a modest amount of training, some of the top foreign competitors could become decent makushitters.
Impressions on the respective countries:
USA: I was pretty disappointed at the USA's performance, but what can you do.
India: Why are you even here? The guys India sent didn't look like they wanted to be there.
Finland: That roided out dude who lost a bout because he hit his opponent too hard was the only notable thing about Finland.
Australia: They had one fighter who liked to supinate his hands at the tachiai, weird shit
Taiwan/Chinese Taipei: They had some surprisingly strong guys, wouldn't have expected it from an island of 30 million
Mongolia: surprisingly weak, even though they were among the stronger teams
Thailand: A cut above India but still a lot of why are you here kind of competitors
And on a final note, it's kind of depressing how unpopular sumo is among female competitors. Not surprising, but sad.
I've fought a handful of the US team in practice bouts before; they're nice people.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 21:33:08 UTC No. 171196
>>171193
>Honestly, there's a lot of skilled guys, even outside of the Japanese team.
I normally rag on the amateur sumo guys, but there's a lot more people in it now taking it seriously to the point where it's starting to get competitive. Not close to the pros, but far cry from the days when Byamba ruled the scene throwing down overmatched fat guys and random bodybuilders.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:07:15 UTC No. 171201
>>171193
>kind of depressing how unpopular sumo is among female competitors. Not surprising
Because female athleticism sucks compared to men, and they're at about the same level as a 14 year old boy....at best.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:13:09 UTC No. 171204
>>171193
>And on a final note, it's kind of depressing how unpopular sumo is among female competitors. Not surprising, but sad.
Why are you expecting women competitors? Its not like you are getting a bunch of premier athletes in the mens division either.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:16:41 UTC No. 171205
>>171201
yes, that's one of several reasons joshizumo is unpopular. What made it depressing is that just by showing up, you essentially made it to the quarters, which while inevitable, is something of a slap in a face for the girls who do want to compete.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:19:32 UTC No. 171206
>>171204
>why are you expecting women competitors
I wasn't. Hence, I said it was unsurprising
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:39:39 UTC No. 171208
>>171206
Then why do you find it sad when you fundamentally understand why women don't compete in sumo?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:40:10 UTC No. 171209
>>171208
Maybe it's a fetish thing?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:49:14 UTC No. 171210
>>171208
perhaps because it would be nice for an onnazumou scene to exist
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 22:50:40 UTC No. 171211
>>171209
yeah, it has to be this
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:04:45 UTC No. 171213
>>171209
>Maybe it's a fetish thing?
This.
Dude is a pathetic beta male coomer simp.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:06:19 UTC No. 171214
>>171210
I'll accept this, but only if they dress exactly the same as the men, and also weigh as much as the men.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:06:37 UTC No. 171215
>>171213
put on a trip already
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:08:35 UTC No. 171216
>>171214
Who let you in here, Architect?
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:14:19 UTC No. 171217
>>171215
>name the beta and they seethe
Beta males should be culled from society.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:26:10 UTC No. 171220
>>171213
he was fantasizing about easy sumo girls while pretending they're into fat unathletic weebs because they like sumo
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:26:41 UTC No. 171221
>>171208
It's sad for the existing female competitors, not me. I only cared insofar as seeing a bracket with 9 participants is not a great spectator experience.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Oct 2023 23:31:34 UTC No. 171223
>>171220
Most of the japanese female participants aren't my type. If you saw what they looked like, you'd probably feel the same way
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 00:30:49 UTC No. 171228
>>171027
>only one left standing
Did I miss Aoiyama's retirement notice?
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 05:25:23 UTC No. 171242
signed up for a gym PT introduction session and tried to explain to the instructor that I dont need to do any exercise for my quads because I'm doing shiko
he got me to squat weights and do a light set on every machine
I went home at the end and did about 20 shiko in privacy in my underwear, felt more burn in my quads from that than everything else combined
racking enough weight to squat to equal the burn of shiko at my weight is not safe
I did need the hamstring machines though so it wasnt a total waste of time
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 06:58:32 UTC No. 171246
>>171242
Based retard
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 07:43:24 UTC No. 171249
>>171242
Probably b8 but rikishi do plenty of squats (both bodyweight and weighted).
https://youtu.be/CPEc_4Y32xU?si=PWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2H
https://youtu.be/LWZMU7UAC2w?si=F8C
https://youtu.be/cS_lzYjLgYA?si=VJX
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 12:17:48 UTC No. 171265
>>171133
saved
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:57:39 UTC No. 171276
>>171249
Rikishi already have the leg strength that allows them to squat with weights, while that anon doesn't and is trying to build it up.
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 17:22:15 UTC No. 171279
To whomever first called Takakeisho genius, thank you.
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 18:49:01 UTC No. 171285
>approaching 700 poasts
>image limit ded
Surely at this point a new thread is permitted.
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Oct 2023 19:09:38 UTC No. 171287
Anonymous at Wed, 11 Oct 2023 01:24:56 UTC No. 171500
>see my shirtless body in the mirror
>I'm turning into a slender version of Kotonowaka
Aaaahh
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Oct 2023 01:36:31 UTC No. 171943
>>171500
Continue.