🧵 What is your stance on Tradition vs Sport?
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Dec 2023 07:44:26 UTC No. 180691
Which better preserves a martial art? Studying from old sources to preserve the art? Or modern remakes of old arts?
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Dec 2023 08:06:42 UTC No. 180692
>>180691
Modern
Nogi is going let cacc live
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Dec 2023 08:09:13 UTC No. 180694
>>180693
You are the worst type of tard
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Dec 2023 08:36:02 UTC No. 180696
>>180694
>make obvious bait post
>get mad when called out
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:56:41 UTC No. 180712
>>180691
HEMA isn’t traditional, it’s reconstructive. A better comparison would be kendo vs. kenjutsu or koryu in general.
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:23:35 UTC No. 180715
>>180691
It logically needn't be one or the other. It is not so challenging to practice both, for example, in the case of kendo vs kenjutsu. More training in more styles is never a detriment. So many of the questions posed online are never asked in real life because this is a fact that practicing martial artists/pro sport combatants realize early on.
>Ranton
I dislike him because of how & how long it took him to realize this, now so much of his brand is acting like some sort of enlightened fighter because he realized where kung fu belongs, in training, not in a ring. He speaks truth, even if he is being captain obvious, but I guess common sense isn't common anymore.
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:11:21 UTC No. 180723
>>180720
Fukke saved, good take. This whole board, literally every single martial art thread is constantly shitted up by arguing retards who insist one of these is better than the other when they have more similarities than differences.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:40:23 UTC No. 180791
>>180692
Has no pin though, which is valuable and what makes CaCC unique. Also, CaCC as an art isn't just a group of techniques--the techniques might survive in nogi or submission wrestling but something very substantial would be lost in the process--as the culture of "the violent art" is part of what makes it effective (compare how BJJ guys train and how wrestlers train). This doesn't mean that ineffective techniques from CaCC should be kept around for the sake of it, CaCC should have the same mindset of "adopt what works and abandon what doesn't" as BJJ; we're going to end up with some sort of supreme grappling art either way, the human body works the same no matter the art and through cross-training we're finding out what , we would however be much benefited if this comes about in the category of CaCC than something else.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Dec 2023 12:53:44 UTC No. 180794
Aikido?
Not a traditional martial art.
Karate?
Not a traditional martial art.
HEMA?
Not a traditional martial art.
Katori shinto ryu?
Not a martial art.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Dec 2023 14:17:03 UTC No. 180798
>>180791
>This doesn't mean that ineffective techniques from CaCC should be kept around for the sake of it
The problem with this mindset is that good stuff gets abandoned too. People gets this faux-Darwinist view that fighting is a linear evolution and whatever is latest is greatest. In reality, things come and go in cycles. Just because a move or style is not popular at the moment doesn't mean it's useless. If it worked at one point, there's a reason for it and it's worth preserving.
>CaCC should have the same mindset of "adopt what works and abandon what doesn't" as BJJ
BJJ is a perfect counter to that statement. The meta has shifted so many times that things that were once mega popular were deemed obsolete yet had a resurgence later on when the meta shifted again.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Dec 2023 15:24:22 UTC No. 180802
>>180798
You're right anon, didn't think about that. It's probably better with a maximalist mindset then where you add new techniques without necessarily getting rid of old ones trying to minmax metas.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:10:47 UTC No. 180815
>your traditional sport doesn't allow full-on wrestling midplay, gouging, biting, nutsack hits and breaking bones
all shit today is sport, simple as. Anyone bragging about how they would have won if fighting in a historically accurate way forgets one thing--your average fighter in history would have no qualms dropping his sword for an uzi.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Dec 2023 04:43:22 UTC No. 180866
>>180811
Honestly what made HEMA become so popular. All weapons martial arts were rubbish up until HEMA got a decent foothold.
>>180815
Main example that upsets weebs is how fast the samurai became gunners after being introduced guns by the euros.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Dec 2023 05:25:12 UTC No. 180870
>>180866
In the current day there's just not much need for non-firearm weapon training aside from just doing it for fun
It's all about guns and improvised weapons
Personally I think swords should be allowed to be open carried everywhere guns are permitted to be
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Dec 2023 05:55:09 UTC No. 180878
>>180870
Hard disagree, theres tons of opportunities for it to be used. I have used kendo on 1 occasion using my cane to fend off a knife wielding crack head trying to mug me. Tons of self defense applications. But you would need to be carrying something. Cane, hiking stick, something. You also have to not be such a pridedul POS that the suggestion of using something other than an explicit weapon doesn't piss you off.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Dec 2023 06:21:05 UTC No. 180880
>>180878
I'd blast that crackhead away
I'm not afraid to make a nigga catch a 9 if he gives me a reason
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Dec 2023 01:56:47 UTC No. 181185
>>180691
the fundamental problem is that we no longer live in a society where melee fighting is common, so the only appropriate way to pressure test is in a competition setting, and that is obviously not the same. This problem is especially much more massive in grappling imo because you're not supposed to get damaged in grappling competitions while striking competitions obviously gives you brain damage. basically any MA sport that tries to minimalize damage and replace it by points will have this issue of sliding away from tradition and hypertuning for competition rules.
My opinion is that traditional principles are generally more useful for IRL self defence than the current sports meta because traditional principles are generally developed in the battlefield by professional soldiers.
But because competition today is the only way to consistently pressure test, the strongest fighters of a martial arts are the sports dudes.
I think a classic example of this in grappling is the emeegence of the bottom specialist in competition nogi jitz. Obviously the best grapplers are great guard passers and wrestlers as well, but some competitors will choose to play a seated guard or worse a supine guard which is just idiotic in a IRL situation
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Dec 2023 14:59:49 UTC No. 181220
>>181185
>we no longer live in a society where melee fighting is common
Agree with everything else you had to say, but that opinion, is result of your life, and where you've lived. That is not a universal or even a common truth. A first world privilege & even then, only in certain income brackets & neighborhoods.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:07:57 UTC No. 181244
>>181186
Judo is pointless the moment you get shanked. Take the daggerpill.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Dec 2023 21:55:31 UTC No. 181272
>>181244
thats what the gun is for. the gun dominates every range except grappling range, and thats where your venom snake judo throw comes in.
If all you have is a dagger you're getting shot.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Dec 2023 22:56:49 UTC No. 181280
>>181272
/k/fag here, I’m such a paranoid retard that I carry a gun, pepper spray, a switchblade and have been training martial arts for almost two decades.
Don’t judge me I had an abusive childhood and now I’m crazy.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Dec 2023 23:26:01 UTC No. 181284
>>181281
I want you to know I legitimately had a belly laugh with my judo power belly at this post
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Dec 2023 23:29:30 UTC No. 181285
>>181280
Greetings /k/omrade. I would never judge you. I carry a G17, a fixed blade, and OC spray and I'm a lifelong martial artist. My parents are still married, very loving, and I had a semi-idyllic childhood, I just love weapons and martial arts.
Also I might be crazy.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 01:42:00 UTC No. 181302
>>181294
Depends. Are you an agent of the antichirst? Or a skinwalker?
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 14:20:51 UTC No. 181343
>>181250
>durrr what ud a rondell dagger
Silence, you little Squire, the Knights are talking.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 14:21:53 UTC No. 181344
>>181272
*carries pistol and a 10$ dagger/knife*
Watchu gone do now judoboy?
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:28:50 UTC No. 181346
>>180720
>>180723
Reminder that this picture was obliterated in karate threads, poster never recovered and only can post it now in threads no one cares about
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:30:04 UTC No. 181347
>>180811
This one too
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:44:22 UTC No. 181349
>>181347
>>181346
>dis got ublaterated n utder treads
>huehuehue i gots dis anon reelz gud joompin to utder tread
Holy-fucking-butthurt batman. Lets break this down.
>>172132
>approved
>>172088
>approved
>>170789
>semantic argument
>>170683
>Negative response but no argument
>>170872
>Butthurt wall of nonsense cope
>Probably you
>>170854
>Approved with clarification
>>170785
>non sequitur
So, you got butthurt in the karate general & when you didn't get enough (you)s and wanted to have another go. Thats pretty fucking pathetic dude. Funny tho
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 17:14:15 UTC No. 181353
>>181349
>"Lets break this down."
>doesn't break it down
>approves post that destroys his nonsense
LMAO
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 17:38:28 UTC No. 181355
>>181353
>no reading comprehension
More nonsense cope.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Dec 2023 18:20:30 UTC No. 181357
>>181355
>fart