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Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 03:53:28 UTC No. 203243
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What are your preferred non-standard grips and why?
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Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 04:26:27 UTC No. 203253
>>203137
>I'm willing to go train judo 6x a week if it will get me a black belt faster.
No you arenāt. You think you are, but youāll burn out quick just like a new years resolutioner thinking theyāre going to go from sedentary to lifting weights at 5AM five days a week. Unless you are an actual professional athlete or a complete NEET without a job or school or relationships taking up their time, thereās no way youāll manage that.
Besides, getting the black belt only seems like a big deal now. You should think of shodan as a new beginning, not the end goal. Enjoy the journey to get there anon.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 04:55:30 UTC No. 203260
post the atemi waza one
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 04:56:18 UTC No. 203261
>>203260
fuck its been so long, i may need to remake it
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 05:08:57 UTC No. 203262
Okay I had to remake it from memory, I know I forgot the clouds but I actually like this one a little better. I just really love the little instructional of the two fighters.
I didn't make a black design because the picture has little white specks around the two guys
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 06:03:44 UTC No. 203269
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 06:11:42 UTC No. 203270
>>203264
Iāve been doing judo for 10 years (nearly exactly) and never seen that kind of grip taught in a seminar or class. Not saying itās not valid, Iām sure there may be uses, but it is not used in my experience.
Iām also an American though, so plenty of people will tell you our judo is underdeveloped.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 13:34:40 UTC No. 203286
>>203253
It's not like I'm sedentary now, I lift and box.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 15:32:22 UTC No. 203299
>>203286
Nevermind then I assumed you were trying to go from nothing to exercising six days a week. People who already are involved in martial arts typically donāt assign so much value to belt rankings, so stop doing that lol
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:36:13 UTC No. 203305
>https://youtu.be/OYi5vNEowyk?si=Ya
Any judo organization that try to do a more "combat sport" format?
Aside of just judo men joining MMA.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 17:08:21 UTC No. 203308
>>203305
combat sambo
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 19:04:56 UTC No. 203315
Judo has ruined my ability to have a relationship with a woman, every time I am trying to have sex with a woman and they try to mount me from the top all I can think about is shrimping from underneath or hip bumping them to roll them before going into Kesa Gatame.
Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 23:06:21 UTC No. 203338
>>203315
take the back
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 04:00:10 UTC No. 203360
>>203338
Based turtle pounder
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 00:46:15 UTC No. 203708
>>203703
normalfags fear gondola atemi waza
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 01:46:14 UTC No. 203715
>>203708
hehe
judo gondola
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 05:30:55 UTC No. 203746
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 12:48:21 UTC No. 203766
>>203746
Is that even legal to do?
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 12:53:43 UTC No. 203767
I've tried wrestling, judo, and bjj
None of them really took my interest, grappling seems to be difficult for me to enjoy and feel like doing
Thinking of trying judo again. Would you say it's the most effective for self defence? Or is punching and a single leg/sloppy foot sweep all I need, and I would be wasting time actually learning judo ?
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:01:23 UTC No. 203769
Sometimes I think what's the point of learning judo when I can just punch the guy in the face
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 14:20:27 UTC No. 203774
>>203767
Judo is the most useful of the three as a lifelong martial art because it teaches you to fall safely, it teaches you to put opponents on the ground while staying on your feet, and it's easier than wrestling to practice as an old man. If you're doing martial arts for self defense you need to decide what your threat model is, determine what tools you'll need to deal with those threats, and weigh the risks of probable self-defense scenarios versus the risks of training injuries. I enjoy judo (and wrestling and BJJ) and recommend giving it another try but if you don't enjoy it you're probably better off training whatever martial art you do like and working on your situational awareness, physical fitness, parkour, and pistol skills.
>>203769
Grappling lets you control someone and deescalate a situation, but with striking your only tool is to escalate. I've used wrestling and judo to pin people who tried to punch me in the face and give them time to calm down without anybody getting hurt.
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 15:49:48 UTC No. 203782
>>203769
>when I can just punch the guy in the face
What if you can't?
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 16:37:11 UTC No. 203788
>>203774
How long does it take to learn to fall safely though ? Before I tried judo I didn't know how to fall, or roll backwards or forwards. I picked it up quite quickly and was able to incorporate it when I tried wrestling to safely fall in drills and going live without posting. Does that mean I've learnt it?
I quit wrestling very quickly because I was getting injured every session and it was very very high pace. I realised my old man (30 year old) body can't really keep up. especially as a hobbyist. I still have lasting injuries which I wonder if they will go away
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 16:38:28 UTC No. 203789
>>203782
Why would you not be able to? Whenever anyone grabbed me I just hockey punched them until they fell over. And if someone grabs you in my opinion it's game on, theyve started the fight
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 16:52:33 UTC No. 203791
>>203789
Because he bum rushed you and is too close for you to get any meaningful strikes off into a vital area
Same principle with guns by the way, it's not just can you draw your gun, It's can you draw your gun and get 2 center mass shots before the guy tackles you to the ground
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:02:29 UTC No. 203793
>>203791
If the guys tackling you wouldn't BJJ be better
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:47:15 UTC No. 203794
>>203793
Nope, beej doesn't know how to escape pins
But it wouldn't even get to that because the tackler is most certainly putting himself in a position to be thrown without even realizing it
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 18:37:23 UTC No. 203798
>>203795
T. Never been punched in the face
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 18:40:50 UTC No. 203799
>>203794
>beej doesn't know how to escape pins
Lol wut. I thought that's all they do
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 19:15:11 UTC No. 203808
>>203798
Have you been thrown, full-force to the ground? It's a lot worse my retarded friend.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 03:22:32 UTC No. 203851
>>203808
Not if you breakfall and slap your foot on the ground first
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 04:16:09 UTC No. 203855
>>203799
They oblige with being pinned because it doesn't count against them in the rules
Also their definition of a pin is different from the reality if you're fighting
It's only a pin in jiujitsu if you're passed the legs, but in actuality if your back is on the ground you're pinned, the leg position isn't relevant
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 04:34:13 UTC No. 203857
>>203769
For me it's just casually kicking them in the leg once or twice
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 04:48:58 UTC No. 203860
>>203854
This is the most based martial arts image Iāve ever seen in my life. If I could give you a medal I would.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 05:43:36 UTC No. 203864
>>203855
So what you're saying is most people could just stand up out of a bjj guys submission attempts even if they take him down on the ground?
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 06:32:29 UTC No. 203866
>>203864
Pretty much
bjj only works when you're engaging with it, in that sense for example if someones trying to hit you and fight with you on the ground they'll compromise themselves in ways they can be submitted
But if you just lay there or back off bjj lacks reliable mechanisms to suck someone back on. In that sense it works for defense because if the guy stops fighting and walks away the fights over anyway
But this conundrum is why bjj has to penalize you for backing away from someone's guard. The rules require that you have to engage with it because if the rules didn't force you to do it then nothing would ever happen in the match
Both parties would just sit on the ground and not move until times up
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:42:21 UTC No. 203873
>>203866
That's really interesting because the whole reason I was put off bjj was being taught guard and I spent the whole time thinking how unnatural and stupid the whole thing felt. It felt as far removed from natural fighting/instinct as possible
But then I see MMA fights and it seems to work? Or is that because the rules force the opponent into engaging in GNP?
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:14:11 UTC No. 203944
>>203873
Thereās a few reasons.
1. Most MMA fighters have learned BJJ, including the guy who is getting guard pulled on him, so he also wants to go to the ground.
2. If someone goes to the ground in MMA, itās usually because they were thrown or knocked down. The person who just threw them or knocked them down isnāt going to risk losing the momentum by letting them recover until the ref stands them up.
3. You canāt kick grounded opponents anymore, so to continue putting damage on someone after knocking them down you need to go down with them.
Sometimes when a fighter knows that they are outmatched on the ground they will just stay up and wait for a reset by the ref, and when that happens thereās nothing that the bottom player can do to make them engage.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 03:40:09 UTC No. 203969
>>203873
You'll notice the way it works now it in MMA they don't even pass the guard anymore, they only move to a half guard position and attack with strikes from there because it's a de facto pin
In bjj rules it's not a pin because the legs aren't passed, but in reality their leg is stuck under the top guy, they are pinned and have limited attack options
Meanwhile the guy on top is scoring ride time with the judges
Passing into side control isn't a good idea either because its an inferior attacking position and gives bottom guy more escape opportunities, especially without the gi
Side control only has value because of sport bjj, it doesn't have much fighting value though and is not effective for long term control without the gi. Sport bjj leads the focus of practice now and as a result its a less effective fighting system due to the bad habits or at leas sub-optimal ones people get
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:32:28 UTC No. 203977
>>203976
I like how she plays dead
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:37:06 UTC No. 203991
>>203977
Anon, she is dead...
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:52:00 UTC No. 203992
>>203944
>>203969
Wow thanks for the informative reply anon. Really opens my eyes to the reality of this stuff
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:24:36 UTC No. 203993
>>203788
>Does that mean I've learnt it?
Can you jump and throw yourself onto your side or back on a hard surface without hurting yourself? If so you've probably learned breakfalls well enough for most lifestyles and will be fine drilling them with a casual regularity, otherwise you need to drill them more deliberately.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:52:32 UTC No. 203998
>>203851
On a flat tatami sure. Not on da streetz where landing on a curb will mean you might be actually injured.
>>203703
You're sparring with retards. I'm terribly bad at judo but I know that I just literally need to either tap softly or "lock" the leg enough for them to fall (hiza guruma, I don't do the rest frequently enough)
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:56:09 UTC No. 203999
>>203638
I don't get this kuzushi. For ouchigari I have seen some people putting their oponents arm against their ribs (for a kuzushi that would technically lower the oponent's center of gravity). I just pull to the back like an osotogari and then hit them with my torso.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 16:29:36 UTC No. 204008
>>203998
Look up KOTS fights a guy got suplexed onto concrete around 5 times and nothing happened to him
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 16:46:25 UTC No. 204009
>>204008
NTA
Just did, his suplexes weren't that impactful. The guy was landing more on his ass and lower back than his head or neck. Suplex is not that great of a throw unless you're literally hurling them over your head and even then it's still a high risk low reward technique.
Even with that, the guy who threw the other guy still won and I'm sure each time he got thrown it hurt pretty bad.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:42:54 UTC No. 204028
>>204008
>Curb
>a raised edge along the side of a street, often forming part of a path for people to walk on
Not to mention that you're obviously cherrypicking with that example. You are indeed retarded.
Oh, and the thing about curbs applies to a bunch of angled structures, not to mention throwing someone into glass, metal, etc.
But hey, don't let me stop you from getting CTE and concussions and shit. Go do some boxing, get into a clinch and then realize at what point you could very clearly use grappling.
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:13:57 UTC No. 204076
>>204009
>N-not like that! That doesn't count!
Dude, suplexes are heralded as this almost deadly insta-kill technique. This just shows how a) it's much harder to do them irl with strikes etc b) they don't always knock you out if you know how to vaguely breakfall (e.g don't post your arm and tuck your chin)
You think an osoto gari is going to ko him better lmao? Numerous hip throws in kots and they only helped into transitioning into gnp
>>204028
Yes my guy, I'm just going to carefully aim his body straight into a kerb. I'm going to have all day to carefully aim this squirming fighting body into a very specific point using techniques that must be committed to as soon as you get the opportunity
Of course grappling has its place but in no rules expect to see headbutts, elbows and knees before you see much grappling. It's very risky to grapple
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:38:35 UTC No. 204079
>>204008
KOTS is not a good representation of fighting since it's populated exclusively by complete shitters. No professional with even a modicum of talent would be willing to get their ears ripped off and eyes gouged out for a few hundred dollars.
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:49:51 UTC No. 204081
>>204076
Ohhh, you're British, that explains everything
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:28:36 UTC No. 204086
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:09:10 UTC No. 204091
>>204079
>Whaoo dude these guys aren't on the level of Cain Velasquez so therefore what they do is irrelevant
Even the weakest KOTS fighter would make you shit your pants after wiping the floor with you. Be humble
>>204081
What, the country with most talented boxers, most famous MMA fighters etc?
Okay. Weird way to agree with me. I accept your humble consession
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:20:41 UTC No. 204093
>>204091
Isn't the biggest star from your country a literal cuckold that took his wife's ex husband's last name?
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:23:00 UTC No. 204094
>>204091
>most famous MMA fighters etc?
There have been only TWO British MMA champions in UFC history, and one of them was infamous for ducking every good fighter and defending against old men.
>with most talented boxers
Your best boxer in Fury got dropped by an MMA guy who had never boxed professionally.
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:34:13 UTC No. 204096
>>204093
>>204094
>B-b-but!!!!!
Oof. How defensive can you get? These posts reek of bitter cope. Pahahaha
Owned. GG
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:51:19 UTC No. 204097
>>204096
The British are the laughingstock of the world
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:29:58 UTC No. 204100
mods can we please ban the british guy
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:57:45 UTC No. 204104
Why do so many people call harai-goshi, harai-ogoshi? I even hear some good competitors call it this sometimes, Iām I the crazy one or is this just a case of people not really caring what the Japanese names are called
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 06:45:47 UTC No. 204106
>>204101
Oh it's you again
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 06:51:51 UTC No. 204109
>>204106
Sit
Good doggy
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:45:55 UTC No. 204136
>>204104
nigga what are they supposed to call it?
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:55:00 UTC No. 204137
>>204104
What about harai-omgoshi
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 15:14:16 UTC No. 204140
>>204135
>Bitter seething copers last hope at reclaiming his dignity
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 15:43:10 UTC No. 204142
>>204140
i just walked into this thread i just assumed you rape kids from the way you write and because you're british
i dont even know your stance on anything and i dont really care
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 15:47:58 UTC No. 204143
>>204142
He thinks doing fewer than a handful of local amateur mma matches for beer money makes him a fighter
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:34:12 UTC No. 204146
>>204143
ahhh so hes just a roving gypsy who managed to find this website on a whim
this makes sense
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:07:31 UTC No. 204149
>>204136
Just harai-goshi, when talking about uki-goshi Iāve never heard anyone say uki-ogoshi. Is this an American thing?
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:25:36 UTC No. 204150
>>204149
oh shit im retarded i didnt read the original post
>Why do so many people call harai-goshi, harai-ogoshi
i thought you said why do people call harai-goshi, harai-goshi
forget what i said lmao
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:22:59 UTC No. 204170
>>203789
What if they grab you while you're lying on the ground, or from behind? How are you going to swing your way out of that?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 02:33:59 UTC No. 204194
>>204142
>>204143
>>204146
Oof. Shameful samecuck still seething.
Sad!
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 02:42:19 UTC No. 204195
>>203256
but where?
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:40:03 UTC No. 204334
>>203243
Anyone got any tips for improving on specific throws and combinations? Randori is usually too fast and chaotic for me to really experiment and get reps on new throws, so I just default to what works for me every time.
Would it be useful if instead of randori, I ask my training partner if we could just do throw-for-throw? I throw you, then you throw me.
We don't drill moving uchi-komi or moving nage-komi all that much, and I find it's not that useful for getting a proper feel for how a throw would work in randori anyway.
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:28:55 UTC No. 204337
>>204334
>Would it be useful if instead of randori, I ask my training partner if we could just do throw-for-throw? I throw you, then you throw me.
This is actually how randori was first taught to me as a beginner. The idea was that as uke you would move around with tori while trying to maintain good balance and posture but without actively countering quality throws. Once tori gets his throw you switch roles; you might also switch after tori makes a failed throw attempt. I found it helpful to only have to focus on one role at a time instead of splitting my attention.
Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 01:05:14 UTC No. 204742
>>204739
what a self serious dork, this is what a real champion looks like unlike that fraudster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-
Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 08:46:10 UTC No. 204761
Which is better:
>judo 5x a week
>judo 3x, strength and conditioning 2x a week
Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 23:59:08 UTC No. 204832
>>204761
>judo 6x a week
>full body weiglift program 3x a week
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 00:35:01 UTC No. 204835
>>204781
>>204832
Niggers I'd train and lift everyday if I could. But I have other responsibilities which is why I narrowed down choices based on my circumstance. So which is better?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:32:33 UTC No. 204842
>>204761
depends. if you're a DYEL or you feel like you're lacking strength (especially if you're in one of the heavier weight classes), go for judo and lifting. if you're strong already i'd say just practice judo.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:52:01 UTC No. 204844
>>204842
How do you know if you're strong enough in this context? For reference I'm u73kg.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:22:38 UTC No. 204847
>>204761
>>204835
>>204844
I exercise 6 to 7 days a week.
I usually just focus on one exercise a day (sometimes two, like one upper and one lower or one exercise followed with some Judo-esc activity, OR just stretch after), usually a major compound exercise or something that utilizes a lot of muscle mass through deep end ranges of motion. Squats, deadlifts, sprinting, bench press, pull ups, rows, jumps, etc. Not a lot of isolations except maybe neck stretching.
In terms of sets and reps, I don't really pay attention nor care since I'm not lifting to improve my lifting performance. I just do something like 4 to 6 sets, first 1 to 3 sets are just quick warm ups then I do the final set(s) to fatigue and do a rest-pause style training where I take a few breathes between sets before going back into it with little rest time.
In terms of weight to use, I'm autistic and go up in increments of 1pl8. So I'll stay with something like a 225 back squat until I feel like I can get 30 to 40 reps or just until it feels really easy and I feel comfortable going up to 315.
Big take-away is this: Do hard stuff really fast. Stuff that has big ranges of motion, recruits a lot of muscle mass, and is conducive to the stimulus you want. You don't have to do a lot of it, just one or two exercises for one to three working sets. Just go to or close to failure for those sets.
Do hard shit fast, not a lot.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:23:55 UTC No. 204848
>>204844
>How do you know if you're strong enough in this context
You're never 'strong enough.' While their are diminishing returns in strength training, you should never see a limit in training and adapting your body to stress.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:17:04 UTC No. 204875
>>204864
With wrestling grips, you're able to close the distance and grab more of the person and not just the Gi. With conventional Judo grips, you're at the disadvantage of having your hands be too close in front of you.
Judo grips rely to heavily on hand action rather than whole body action. I don't know if that makes sense, it's kind of hard to explain.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:53:33 UTC No. 204877
>>204875
>grabs your lapel
haha sorry bro but Im gonna throw you now
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:50:32 UTC No. 204883
>>204877
>grabs your lapel and stiffens my arm ever so slightly
haha sorry bro but you're not going anywhere
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:22:59 UTC No. 204898
>>204883
>proceeds to throw you since I dont suck
aww it's okay little guy maybe next time you can stall!
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:31:39 UTC No. 204904
>>204902
a male's hairy ass
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:47:09 UTC No. 204906
>>204904
counter:
a female's hairy ass
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:52:00 UTC No. 204907
Anyone have the Olympic roster?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:50:20 UTC No. 204912
>>204875
Judo requires all the stars to magically align
if you don't wear the correct clothing, keep your hips away, stiff arm or god forbid, strike, then good luck pulling off that le ebin judo throw
Whereas you can teach a complete noob a few basic wrestling takedowns and you CAN and will hit them in live situations from day 1. It's easy and it works.
T. Someone who has tried both
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:08:06 UTC No. 204914
>>204781
How do you uchi-mata a tree??
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:13:58 UTC No. 204927
>>204912
You've been btfo in multiple threads. When will you stop seething that you couldn't do shit during a trial class?
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:35:54 UTC No. 204929
>>204844
I'm 118kg. I can do the old time strongman technique of Bent Press at 50-60kg. This training has led me to being able to hip throw quite naturally. I'm only on my second week of randori, but the Sensei that taught me the throw said I was good at it, and I've been able to get off hip throws in randori kinda easily. Got it off vs a black belt last night, but he looks to be in his 40s. A brown belt I was sparring with said I was strong at the end of class. I can easily bench and power clean 100kg right now. My best for deadlift about a month or two ago was about 160kg for 3 or 4 reps. The most useful thing though is that I can strict OHP 85kg. This gives me the upper body strength to just manhandle out of stuff.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:47:14 UTC No. 204933
>>204929
my sensei said i look like michael meyers when gripping people
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:59:05 UTC No. 204934
>>204912
>this faggot is still here
You literally donāt train either. You told us.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:41:28 UTC No. 204938
>>204875
by wrestling grip do you mean underhooks and overhooks, bear hugs, etc? i love those but any competent gripfighter will absolutely not let you get there. they'll capture your sleeve and lapel the moment you try and prevent you from closing the gap on them. you have to be the better gripfighter of the 2 if you want to fight like that.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:24:31 UTC No. 204941
>>204875
>Judo grips rely to heavily on hand action rather than whole body action. I don't know if that makes sense, it's kind of hard to explain
It doesnāt make sense because youāre a fucking retard who doesnāt know how to do grips. You have to use your whole body positioning to grip effectively in judo too, dipshit.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:19:00 UTC No. 204947
>>204937
what grip is he getting there? double overhand?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:20:21 UTC No. 204948
>>204938
>underhooks and overhooks
Mostly overhooks and bodylocks
>they'll capture your sleeve and lapel the moment you try and prevent you from closing the gap on them
You think, but if you're able to snap them down and move your grips from something Judo style to wrestling style, you can really make progress.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:22:14 UTC No. 204949
>>204941
god people on here get so angry, is this how you do Judo? hotheaded and unwillingly to see someone else's modality? dont even answer, i dont even want to see your seethe
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:36:28 UTC No. 204952
>>204949
>act like an authority while spewing dumb shit
>get told that youāre a retard
>ānoooooo Iām not a retard youāre just angry!ā
Donāt make dumb fucking posts and people wonāt talk to you like youāre a dumb fucking fag, dumb faggot
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:49:57 UTC No. 204972
>>204927
>>204932
>>204934
>>204937
It's true guys. I am no judo black belt. I'm not a pro grappler.
However, it's very telling that I can quickly take down novice people my size and heavier untrained with basic wrestling when going 100%. I have also mixed it easily with striking when doing light MMA style sparring
Unless you want to put 10 years into judo to have the rare chance of pulling off a simple throw, or you're up against drunks where le ebin footsweep totally works (hint: shoving them the fuck over would work too) then good luck I suppose lol
Don't really know what youre arguing about since this is a common sentiment with anyone who has trained either. Judo requires a lot more precision, commitment, timing and is more situational. It's more sportified. Wrestling, even bad wrestling, will work against 80% of people, and I could teach anyone a high crotch, knee tap or bodylock takedown
Its weird judo cultists are acting as if what I'm saying is a lie
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:54:04 UTC No. 204973
>>204937
Yeah, posting cherry picked videos of STATE CHAMP judo players competing in D1 tournaments (he trained wrestling too durr) doesn't mean that for most people here they aren't going to pull off that 10k hours on the mats level osoto sayonara shit, when grabbing a shitters leg is much easier and more convenient
You aren't a state champion. Lol you're not that guy pal
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:42:49 UTC No. 204983
>>204972
you sound really, really fat
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:07:15 UTC No. 204988
>>204983
Strange judo cultist cope
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:51:20 UTC No. 204989
>>204972
>acting as if what I'm saying is a lie
>acting
More like
>what I'm saying is a lie
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:52:47 UTC No. 204990
>>204988
You're the guy who lurks these threads just to post about how much better wrestling is after you attended a trial class and got beat up. You've made threads just talking about how bad Judo is compared to wrestling and have been BTFO'd at every corner.
Why are you even in this thread if you find Judo so inadequate? Just to be some contrarian talking head? Why don't you make a wrestling general and we can all go in there and shit it up for you.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:54:12 UTC No. 204991
>>204972
>>204912
Dude you dont even do fucking judo why are you here
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:02:52 UTC No. 205000
>>204990
>>204991
Wow guys you're right. Sorry. I need to get a better hobby. I'm sorry I spread so much negativity in these threads.
Let the osoto sayonara be with you all
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:38:35 UTC No. 205015
>>204990
He doesnāt even wrestle either lol, he ālearnedā how to wrestle from YouTube. If there was a strong wrestling community here theyād all call him a retard too.
>>205000
>heās still going
Youāve been at this for months lol, just finish your transformation into the ultimate loser retard of /xs/ and put on a trip code.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:34:44 UTC No. 205022
The barrier to entry is higher compared to just shooting singled and doubles but if you know what you are doing you can bully people on the mats
t. Bjjfag who gets thrown around by judo cross trainer
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:24:09 UTC No. 205051
>>204875
I get what you mean somewhat, closing distance and being tight is key to being good a grappling and sometimes Judo grips can force yourself away from Uki especially if you're newer.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 05:09:04 UTC No. 205057
The thing I don't get is the zero sense of self preservation, I see it all the time in judo people just accept the submissions and don't hand fight or anything, they just grit their teeth and tank it as long as they can and make no meaningful counter play
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:41:39 UTC No. 205062
>>205057
even at the highest levels, the expectation is that the ref will stand you up before the other guy can submit you
time allotted to ne-waza varies between referees, so when the other guy is suddenly given time to work, this takes the guy on bottom by surprise
on top of that, judokas typically don't try to work out from the bottom (unless you're getting pinned) because it's a waste of energy, and simply laying down flat and protecting your neck for 4 seconds is generally more effective
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:52:23 UTC No. 205086
>>205057
Ne Waza is very aerobically and metabolically taxing, wasting energy on the ground isn't going to help when they get stood up again. They're anticipating the match to be stopped when it falls to the ground but when the ref decides 'ah fuck it let's see where this goes' it kind of makes you unprepared.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:47:43 UTC No. 205094
>>205020
You aren't him bro
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:05:03 UTC No. 205106
>>204739
It's funny because his system become something that mostly high-class liberal white people train now
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:54:31 UTC No. 205110
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 04:14:25 UTC No. 205136
>>205110
Don't need to train aikido for 6 years to realise it's shit.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 04:34:04 UTC No. 205138
>>205136
HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY! Hey, hey...
Don't bring Aikido into this.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 04:47:47 UTC No. 205235
>>205233
yeah dont give a shit about the pozzed opening, i'm here to see niggers flip and get flipped
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 04:52:45 UTC No. 205236
As promised I'm eating French fries every day until abe-chan wins to show my support
Thank God this is almost over, I've gained 28lbs since February
Legitimately thought I was having a stroke 2 days ago
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 05:19:25 UTC No. 205237
>>205236
what if she loses
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 05:24:54 UTC No. 205238
>>205237
She won't let me down like that, I just know it
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 05:28:57 UTC No. 205239
>>205238
i want her to win as well, but it's gonna be really funny if she doesn't and you have to keep eating french fries
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 05:37:41 UTC No. 205240
>>205239
pls no
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 07:50:59 UTC No. 205243
>>203256
a white belt in BJJ would choke you in 10 seconds
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 08:53:26 UTC No. 205248
>>205246
Imagine training 10k hours for this very moment
When a boxer with 1 years experience can achieve instant ko with a punch to your chin
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:34:23 UTC No. 205267
>>205252
>>205253
>>205255
Now let's post the 10000 times someone was knocked out almost instantly with a single punch in MMA
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:37:26 UTC No. 205268
>>205267
Okay now post the billion punches that didn't do anything
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:40:12 UTC No. 205269
>>205268
Now post the billion +1 times a grappler tried a takedown and failed miserably
Now post the trillion times a grappler only managed to score the win because of stupid rules and a cushioned mat
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:59:40 UTC No. 205273
>>205269
literally the only instances ive ever seen a grappler fail to takedown someone is missing the double leg 95% of them go for
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 17:42:32 UTC No. 205297
>>203864
disclaimer: beej fag touristing through other threads
>could just stand up out of a bjj guys submission attempts
"Just stand up" works in very specific circumstances where you have the option to disengage, i.e when you're on top and your opponent is not in control of your posture, like some open guards*
Aside from that, you can't "just stand up" easily any more than you can in Judo or Wrestling
>>203873
Guard is fundamentally a defensive position, because it prevents your opponent from attacking effectively while allowing you to set up an attack on your own, either with a sub or with a sweep to gain a pinning top position.
It makes more sense if you think of it not as an advantageous position where you want to end up, but rather a neutral position where you want to retreat if things go south and you find yourself on the bottom
*which is why I concur that open guards with the exception of De La Riva are stupid and don't exist outside of sport BJJ
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:05:06 UTC No. 205305
>>205236
>I've gained 28lbs since February
It'd be a cooler challenge and a better show of support if you were to hold yourself accountable to enough training to offset the fries instead of being a slothful glutton.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:21:20 UTC No. 205308
>>205305
I am doing it for her because she cannot have them while preparing so I will have them for her! I'm willing to carry that weight
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:15:20 UTC No. 205310
>>205308
Surely you mean to carry the weight in the form of muscle you've been building, right anon? Abe-chan wouldn't want you to waste a caloric surplus.
>>>/fit/70348194
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:17:01 UTC No. 205331
>>203255
I need one. I want to buy one badly
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:17:30 UTC No. 205332
when are they running repeats of the Olympics on TV?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:18:15 UTC No. 205333
>>205332
lol
Lmao
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:20:04 UTC No. 205334
>>205333
im serial
did i seriously miss that shit? FUCK
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:43:26 UTC No. 205337
>>205334
it's judover
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:01:25 UTC No. 205340
>>205297
wait until you realize half guard and reverse DLR are the same position and there's no reason we should be distinguishing them
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:28:25 UTC No. 205347
>>205334
Welcome to Olympic Judo. Enjoy your torrent search.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:55:17 UTC No. 205351
>>205306
quick rundown?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 03:38:17 UTC No. 205358
>>205351
https://youtu.be/9RpM3TV9qPY?si=YFM
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 03:46:30 UTC No. 205359
>>205351
https://youtu.be/PEoZqhdpOfM?si=2Q5
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 04:43:17 UTC No. 205361
>>205360
Get monged!
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 06:03:33 UTC No. 205373
>>205360
Good throw, why is /sp/ seething about it?nyka
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 06:13:04 UTC No. 205377
>>205358
>>205359
So let me see if I understand this situation correctly. Garrigos had a fully locked in submission and was actively choking out Nagayama. The referee, being a fucking retard, calls matte while he has his submission sunk in. Garrigos, being present in the fight, holds the choke an extra second or two before letting go and nagayama is full on unconscious when he lets go. Somehow, garrigos is the asshole here and not the fucking ref who has no clue whatās actually going on and called matte on a submission that was actively being applied.
I fucking hate the refs of judo so much. Does any other sport suffer from such nonsensical incompetence? If youāve ever refed a judo match I want you to know I think youāre a fucking cunt and canāt actually fight.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 12:35:45 UTC No. 205400
>>205360
holy shit, great throw.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 14:57:16 UTC No. 205413
>>205393
French fry anons, how do we recover????
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:44:58 UTC No. 205446
>>205424
You are going to die bro
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:48:25 UTC No. 205447
>>205446
she has another chance, right? she's in the mixed bracket?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:58:48 UTC No. 205464
>>205393
Sucks that Uta lost, but Keldiyorova is my judofu, so I'm glad she got the gold.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:19:17 UTC No. 205466
>>205395
That was intense. She sounded like someone just murdered her children.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:40:27 UTC No. 205476
>>205358
>>205306
I'ts a pretty stupid "martial" sport if you get stopped by the sport mid-choke anyway? if you can't escape the choke on your own merits you should lose. Simple as.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:50:53 UTC No. 205477
>>205476
>choke not working
>referee calls it to stop
>guy defending the choke hears it and stops defending
>attacker continues to attack after time out
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 01:07:42 UTC No. 205479
>>205477
It's near impossible to fully choke someone out within 3 seconds
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 01:13:52 UTC No. 205481
>>205479
he didn't get choked out until he himself rolled over to try and get up and it cinched the choke into position
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 02:01:25 UTC No. 205487
>>205236
Anon, you jinxed her
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 02:21:23 UTC No. 205489
>>205481
>until he himself rolled over to try and get up and it cinched the choke into position
which was all of 3 seconds...
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 02:24:55 UTC No. 205491
>>205489
Collar chokes can happen instantly
You're already in a hypoxic state from the match up until that point, catch it between a heart beat and its lights out
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 03:47:55 UTC No. 205499
>>205395
>>205394
The most IT'S OVER moment in the history of judo.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 05:12:19 UTC No. 205503
>>205393
Judo is a farce. Notice how she hits the ground first
Imagine throwing yourself into a concrete floor to drag someone down with you. Fail
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 05:50:26 UTC No. 205506
>>205503
It's not a big deal, concrete is only a problem if you hit your head
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 05:53:29 UTC No. 205507
>>204972
After about 8 months of judo i was pulling off tai-otoshis, seoi nagis, o goshi and almost every foot sweep on my friends wrestling in a backyard. It isnāt rocket science and although itās harder to pull of than basic āgrab leg run forward, it doesnāt take years of training to pull off in a live environment against an untrained person. Thereās no choice to make between foot sweeps and throws and ābasic wrestlingā: they are basic wrestling. Even if you only train once a week for a year youāll be taught some foot reaps and an arm or hip throw as well as tackles. Do you just evaluate the difficulty and practicality of a technique based on how cool it looks in a video?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 15:43:24 UTC No. 205545
>>205503
Like almost every single throw you see in greco-roman?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:53:42 UTC No. 205571
There's a judo place nearby that does adult training at a time where I can get there straight after my job, can I do this as a 183cm 144kg fat fuck?
I'm not totally a couch potato, I've been working out for about half a year and my numbers are okay I think and I also did some boxing, although I can only do that on saturdays now cause my new hours suck.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:15:35 UTC No. 205574
>>205571
Do you plan to cross-train judo and boxing?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:20:19 UTC No. 205575
>>205571
Just go there and see what's up. Then you can make an informed decision.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:23:31 UTC No. 205576
>>205468
Jiu jitsu.
Strikes, throw and submission.
Some Judo forms (kata) also show these elements since Jiu Jitsu begat Judo somehow.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:23:53 UTC No. 205577
>>205574
Yes, that was always the goal but I wanted to lose more weight before trying judo because of my concerns.
>>205575
I might give them a call and ask if I can go in for a trial class or something.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:36:11 UTC No. 205581
>>205577
>I wanted to lose more weight
this is a common thing people say but when you think of it it's kind of silly
I want to lose weight before I start exercising
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:41:21 UTC No. 205582
>>205581
I mean I do excercise, I was cautious about judo specifically cause if someone really manages to throw my fat ass it might be night night for me.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:02:04 UTC No. 205590
>>205582
fatmaxxing is good for judo
weight classes are the only thing stopping them from looking like sumo wrestlers
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:57:43 UTC No. 205660
>>205622
fries look meh
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 23:13:56 UTC No. 205748
is judo over forever now?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:21:26 UTC No. 205773
>In a seismic shake-up, Japan has announced its boycott of the Paris Olympics, sparking controversy over judo judging. This bold move highlights Japan's frustration with perceived officiating biases and casts a shadow over the event. Reflecting on his performance, 32-year-old Soichi Hashimoto said, "There were so many people who came out to cheer for me today, so I knew I couldn't go home empty-handed. I did my best to the end, so I have no regrets in my judo career. I wasn't able to reach the gold medal, but this was a memorable competition." Hashimoto won bronze in his Olympic debut with a decisive waza-ari using a seoi-nage shoulder throw against Gjakova. Despite his achievement, Japan is now stepping back to reassess its stance. A recent report from Tweetsoku on July 29, 2024, mentioned how Japan boycotted the 2024 Paris Olympics after mishaps with the judo scores. In the men's 73 kg judo quarterfinals at the Paris Olympics, Soichi Hashimoto (32, Park 24) narrowly lost to Gabba from France.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot
WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK, TOTAL IJF DESTRUCTION
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:31:58 UTC No. 205774
>>205748
Perhaps it had to be over
>>205773
Before it could be back
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:17:21 UTC No. 205778
>>205773
This is better for the health of judo but it's popularity is going to go down from this, and a lot of funding could potentially put some dojos out of business if the IJF and the Olympic Commitee don't have all the power. A governing body that truely has what Jigoro Kano invisioned is the best case scenario, judo gets back what it lost and can still be healthy for non-competitors and a powerhouse of a sport overtime again.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:19:02 UTC No. 205779
>>205774
In the darkness of 'it's so over', I found 'we're so back'.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:41:14 UTC No. 205782
>>205779
Time to make a new shirt
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:47:07 UTC No. 205784
>>205748
Between this and the armchair violence video I'm thinking judo is permanently over
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 05:00:20 UTC No. 205789
>>205784
>Standing: no leg grabs , no duck unders
>Ground: no cross faces, no leg locks, no arm locks for non black belts, people stall by turning onto their stomach and...well...stall, not even attempt an escape.
judo hasn't been here since 2013
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 05:11:35 UTC No. 205790
>>205789
Why did they remove leg grabs? I think that the fact that Judo uses a gi would make it different enough from wrestling to justify it.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 05:17:16 UTC No. 205791
>>205790
They care about being a spectator sport and this is a way to force more amplitude
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 05:46:57 UTC No. 205796
>>205773
This source is extremely sketchy. The article reads like it was written by AI and I canāt find another corroborating source, just reposts of this same article on different websites.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 06:39:48 UTC No. 205798
>>205790
they were afraid of russians georgians and mongolians dominating judo
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 12:19:09 UTC No. 205812
>>205798
According to Neil Adams, who took part in the meeting where the leg grab ban was decided on, it was actually the Russians themselves that ended up proposing the ban. Don't know the reasoning behind it anymore, but it's on youtube somewhere.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 13:14:00 UTC No. 205822
>>205812
>>205790
God damn are you serious? Leg grabs tend to stall matches, your opponent tries to throw you, you grab his pants and stall everything and don't score points, I saw this on local matches all the time. That's why leg grabs were banned.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 14:16:35 UTC No. 205828
>>205822
Unironic skill issue
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 14:48:08 UTC No. 205832
>>205790
Wrastlefags kept just shooting double and single leg which eventually got boring to watch
>>205812
Probably to promote Sambo by saying 'Hey look! We still have leg grabs! Come watch our thing!'
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 16:49:04 UTC No. 205847
>>205811
To actually get good at judo you need to start as a baby so you'd need immediate family involved in the sport basically. Take comfort in the fact that God did not see fit to make you a competitive judoka. Now you are free to train just for fun.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 18:38:16 UTC No. 205860
>>205468
It's fake
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 18:39:45 UTC No. 205861
>>205506
Wait..
I thought if le judo player hits you with le planet it's le deadliest martial art????
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 18:42:07 UTC No. 205862
>>205507
Fair enough man I'm glad it worked for you
Against anyone vaguely trained it's much harder
Off balancing is harder and requires more timing than just brute force wrestling someone
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 18:56:00 UTC No. 205866
>>205832
Literally never happened
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 20:48:18 UTC No. 205875
>>205811
I watched the world judo championships in 2013 and started judo, i was 24.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 05:14:52 UTC No. 205913
Is Judo fun to play?
For some reason I got it into my head that I want to try it but I tried watching it a couple of days ago and ngl it looked kinda boring fr just people dancing around each other trying to grab their jackets
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 06:29:55 UTC No. 205916
>>205913
yeah it's fun. The reason high level people just dance more is because they can do a perfect throw like 1 second after grabbing the gi. You would be moving around and going for throws more often in sparring.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 09:24:25 UTC No. 205927
>>205916
So what makes it fun?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 11:02:11 UTC No. 205934
>>205927
>throwing people
>getting thrown
>the social aspect, making friends (underrated)
>maintaining or improving your physical fitness
>learning techniques
>developing your judo
>testing yourself by competing
like other anon said, typically randori (sparring) isn't a fight to the death like the olympics, which means that ideally, both partners will get several throws in
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:01:47 UTC No. 205937
>be 30 year old white belt hobbyist
>don't care about getting belts
>just want to have fun and exercise
>also want to git gud
>but gittin gud won't happen unless I actually try hard to get black belt
wut do? webm for attention
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 14:23:44 UTC No. 205943
>>205913
Don't tell me you've never wrestled on the beach with your friends to try and knock each other over in the sand
It's basically that
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:14:42 UTC No. 206015
>>206006
Surely at least when you were a child you played with other kids from school
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 23:50:05 UTC No. 206035
I HATE THE IJF
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 00:03:50 UTC No. 206036
>>206015
Once we figured out how to play "piggy back wars" in which we paired up and got on each other's backs and fought to knock other pairs down.
We all got detention for it but it was totally worth it.
Good times. Can't imagine zoomzooms taking a break from their ipads long enough to work out how to have fun like that.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 01:43:38 UTC No. 206045
>>206043
Ban this
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 01:44:16 UTC No. 206046
SHIDO
LMAo Ref throw
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 01:47:27 UTC No. 206047
>>206015
when i was in school some girl that bullied me every day threw a rotary phone at my head and i almost body slammed her into a desk
those were my childhood experiences
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 02:23:45 UTC No. 206053
>>206048
As a king manlet I once threw a 340lbs blue belt with tai otoshi, which I had never actually done before but saw someone do it recently and said that looks straight forward enough
So I did it to him and that nigga did a flip and landed on the mat so hard the teacher told the class no more stand up for today
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 02:28:29 UTC No. 206054
>>206048
funny enough, yagura nage
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 02:48:51 UTC No. 206055
>>206036
>>206047
One time as a kid my neighbors were throwing out a bunch of lumber and my friends and I decided we were going to fight each other with it, and it was a lot of fun but then one of them jabbed me in the eye. I didn't tell my parents because I didn't went to get in trouble and my vision in that eye never fully came back
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 02:48:57 UTC No. 206056
>>206048
I threw a 6'5" 450lb dude at a tournament once, just did osoto on him. I am 5'10" and 310lbs, fat but muscular. The bigger a person is the less they can move laterally and rotate. After I angled the throw it was easier than throwing someone who is 180lbs but moves around a lot.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 02:57:53 UTC No. 206057
>>206056
I would call you bigrig
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:19:40 UTC No. 206058
>>206057
These victim weights dont understand that sometimes a super duty human has that high output motor baby
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:20:24 UTC No. 206059
>>206056
>6'5" 450lb dude at a tournament once, just did osoto on him. I am 5'10" and 310lbs, fat but muscular
what a fucking discrepancy in match up
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:22:30 UTC No. 206060
>>206056
how did you even get an osoto grip? snap down? around the waist?
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:24:03 UTC No. 206061
>>206059
Heavyweight category is just infinite, I usually make normal people look smaller, but this guy made me look like I was skinny
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:27:42 UTC No. 206062
>>206060
Just had to be gritty with the grip fight, he was my first match so I was still mobile and fresh, caught his lapel hand as it came in, moved around and got it. As I said earlier people that are outlandishly big move slower. He was super nice person though, he won one match by just flatlining one guy by laying on him and got injured the next as he was winning. You could definitely tell he was getting tired quickly too.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:44:44 UTC No. 206065
>>206048
Ken Ken uchimata is really good against people bigger than yourself
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 05:34:00 UTC No. 206072
>>206070
I recently accepted jesus and miraculously all my physical ailments disappeared
I suggest trying that first
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 07:15:21 UTC No. 206077
>>206070
you're a white belt, dude. why the hell are you worrying about the day you might be too old to train?
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 07:19:44 UTC No. 206078
>>206048
soto makikomi. the quintessential big guy throw
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 07:31:07 UTC No. 206080
>>206077
I meant more in the sense of knowing when it's something you can push through and when you should take it easy or skip class for an extra rest day. When I was younger, it was usually fatigue and I felt better after going to practice. Nowadays I can feel fine one moment and feel like I'm on the verge of pulling something the next.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 07:40:02 UTC No. 206082
>>206080
can you still go to class and skip randori, just do uchi- or nage-komi instead?
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 14:54:14 UTC No. 206112
>>206085
WOW
A 3D SLOW MOTION PAN WITH MULTIPLE ANGLES OF THE LAZIEST THROW EVER IN THE OLYMPICS
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 15:01:16 UTC No. 206113
>>205913
It's not fun. It has a lot of stupid rules and good luck washing your gi all the time. Also enjoy having your face touch the sweaty mat and old geezers hairy feet flying around everywhere. And don't even think about the injuries (broken limbs, spine, neck)
If you want to have fun unironically do wrestling+ with guillotines and rnc rules etc basically nogi
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 15:28:36 UTC No. 206117
>>206113
OH MY GOD YOU'RE STILL HERE LURKING IN OUT /judo/ THREAD?
FUCK OFF NIGGER THIS IS NOT WRASTLE GENERAL
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 15:34:34 UTC No. 206118
>>206082
It depends on how much of a hardass traditional dojo your local gym is. Unfortunately, a lot of gyms in the west treat their students like indolent children and don't trust them with any agency. In that sort of gym your teacher might take offense and give you shit over it or make you make amends with some stupid punishment workout. At a place that treats you more like an adult, you can just let them know you don't want to randori due to overuse/fatigue or whatever and that's the end of it.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 15:51:36 UTC No. 206119
>>206080
When you get older you need to develop recovery protocols that include stretching, massage, topical pain relievers, electrolyte beverages, anti-inflammatories, cold therapy
Past 25 your body is catabolic and worse every year, you're not constantly getting new fresh young tissue the way you used to so you need to extend the longevity of what you have
It's not about gains at this point, it's about making sure there's air in the tires and the engine doesn't seize up because you forgot to change the oil
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 15:53:46 UTC No. 206120
300
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 19:24:52 UTC No. 206140
>>206113
>judo bad because you have to wash your clothes
Do you throw out your work out clothes after every wrestling class
>you have to touch people and the sweaty mat, GROSS!
And wrestlers donāt?
>but the injuries!
The same one wrestlers get?
I want whatever youāve been smoking, sounds like it turns you straight up retarded
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 21:35:23 UTC No. 206157
>>206056
I've seen big strong dudes getting dropped by foot sweeps. For some reason many judokas overlook sweeps, but they shouldn't be
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 03:35:49 UTC No. 206183
>>206157
hard to hit and hurt to hit
i bruise the shit out of my ankles and shins when i try to hit sasae or de ashi, i gotta git gud
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 06:15:30 UTC No. 206191
>>206140
Gi takes up a whole washing machine and takes years to dry. Also takes up the whole rack to dry. Also looks stupid hanging around the house.
Yeah wrestlers don't end up with their bare feet all over the mats though and your face on it after.
Judo is higher impact than wrestling + less controllable. More injuries
>>206117
Asspained judo nerd
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 06:27:39 UTC No. 206193
>>206191
Finally someone who understands how massive and inconvenient it is to have a gi. Theyāre so disgusting I need to turn off all my appliances to give the washing machine enough energy to properly clean it. A gi is so thick and heavy when itās soaking wet that when I dropped it on the way to the clothesline the impact formed a crack in the foundation of my house and when the builders came over to inspect it the damage they couldnāt focus on their work because they couldnāt stop laughing at how silly the gi looks. Iāve heard that Japanese soldiers in WW2 actually forced prisoners of war to wear gis every day as their most brutal punishment. My great grandfather died in the pacific theatre and they say it was from having to wash a gi.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 07:16:37 UTC No. 206194
>>206191
>Gi takes up a whole washing machine and takes years to dry
You can fit multiple gis in the washer and in the dryer, it's really not that big of a deal.
>Yeah wrestlers don't end up with their bare feet all over the mats though and your face on it after.
Faces get ground into the mat a lot more in wrestling and the mat ends up getting more drool, sweat, and blood exposure. Judo has always felt cleaner to me, though I do wish we used shoes.
>Judo is higher impact than wrestling + less controllable. More injuries
I've gotten hurt more in wrestling but I can see your argument if you do judo at a dojo that prioritizes scoring over safety and wrestling at a school that doesn't send kids to states in a competitive state.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 13:40:22 UTC No. 206215
>>206214
>muh dicko
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 13:42:48 UTC No. 206216
>>206193
>When judo geeks try to be funny
Unfortunately just being a judo dweeb is funnier in itself
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 14:17:55 UTC No. 206221
>>206191
I throw my gi in the washer with a load of clothes, hang it in the basement and itās dry in a day. Youāre literally too retarded to do laundry no wonder you constantly spam this thread with dumb shit.
>Yeah wrestlers don't end up with their bare feet all over the mats though and your face on it after
Just thumbs in their asses right?
>Judo is higher impact than wrestling + less controllable. More injuries
Even if this were true (it isnāt) my response would be to be less of a fucking pussy
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 14:19:15 UTC No. 206222
>>206183
>i bruise the shit out of my ankles and shins when i try to hit sasae or de ashi
Scoop your foot anon, literally wtf are you doing?
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 14:44:44 UTC No. 206225
>>206222
i am, but i think im just over shooting and hitting their lower shin and upper ankle than just their ankle and foot. also, bad timing on my part. i tend to do throws that are really big and don't require too much foot stances, stuff like koshi or osoto
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 15:05:16 UTC No. 206226
>>206214
Is Teddy really GOATed?
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 20:15:27 UTC No. 206253
The fat man lost...
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 20:40:28 UTC No. 206262
FUCK CHEATER FRANCE
>reaction of japanese on x
It was supposed to be a lottery, but as soon as the electronic roulette came out, everyone thought, "Oh, and then came LinĆØre, the French hero who has won three consecutive Olympic titles. It was an Olympics of France, by France, and for France.
I wonder if it is difficult to get along with French people.
I think many people who saw the Paris Olympics thought, "French people are...".
I think there are a lot of people who felt "French people are..." when they saw the Paris Olympics.
I hate France.
I don't want to go to such a country again.
There's nothing but cheating in a roulette game like that.
If you're going to do it, it has to be analog.
All the judges and IOC people are black, and all they think about is a race.
the opponent didn't do any moves, and they don't give any shido, are they kidding me?
This is JUDO not the ęé I love.
The garbage judges who will never give out coaching.
The crowd was singing all the time and booing noisily.
What is this? France is so dirty.
I hate this country.
This Olympics is a sham and a fraud. The spectators are also shitty. Japan is being looked down by the world. I hate France with all my heart. The Japanese government needs to do something.
Japan didn't do anything this disgusting even when they hosted their own Olympics... This Olympics has made me hate France in general.
I bet all the Japanese watching Judo right now are getting cold feet and hating France.
Hey, why didn't you get the three coaches at the 123?
Why is it that +90 is in the national team like he's trying to get there?
I hate France as much as I hate Korea after this Olympics!
I seriously hate France and the French people.
They are the ugliest of all mankind.
I understand why people call france the Korea of Europe behind the scenes.
what is this
I really hate the way Gaba fights, and I hate French judo.
What the hell is really pissing me off?
Go to wrestling, you son of a bitch!
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 21:30:14 UTC No. 206272
>>206214
ESCUCHEN
CORRAN LA BOLA
JUEGAN EN FRANCIA
PERO SON TODOS DE ANGOLA
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 03:58:48 UTC No. 206315
>>206300
im not a bjj supporter, but i think people give it way too much shit. its just a martial art that specializes in ground fighting, the people around it may be insufferable but i still find it valuable especially when you cross train.
muay thai actually has throws (albeit not very good ones)
mma isnt a martial art
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 04:42:48 UTC No. 206322
>>206315
bjj is really super duper suckey, the entire thing is a rug pull that doesn't deliver on the promise it makes but by the time you realize that they've already indoctrinated into their weird niche sport and you forget the whole reason you got into it was to learn fighting
and then you have them sperging out and getting indignant when you call them out for having no ability to wrestle and secure takedowns
it's a laughing stock, a flawed methodology, it brings nothing special to the table. american submission grappling is the meta, nobody cares about bjj anymore
ADCC, CJI, EBI, WNO, CJJ, ONE FC, these are the professional grappling circuits and not a single one of them is BJJ
IBJJF is the closest thing BJJ has to a professional circuit and even then their biggest tournament of the year is world masters which is a strictly amateur competition for age 30+
it's a joke
legit TKD tier for children and boomers
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 12:25:04 UTC No. 206355
>>206300
Muay thai has a base form of grappling.
Wrestling does not have submissions.
Judo and Bjj are the same thing.
MMA isn't a martial art.
I dont know if you were trying to be funny but it's objectively a wrong and bad list.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:17:42 UTC No. 206374
>>206267
Can someone explain to me what was going on with this digital wheel of fortune shit?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:47:02 UTC No. 206381
>>206374
It was a "random" draw to see who competes, but it's obviously fake because it's digital so it was programmed to give France their best player
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 19:15:10 UTC No. 206409
>>206315
>>206355
>MMA isn't a martial art.
There's an argument for that in some previous decade when people were actively mixing martial arts and competing but these days it's often taught as its own discipline.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 19:17:15 UTC No. 206410
>>206401
Eat your fries on a salad instead of with cheese sticks. If you're eating normally other than some extra fries while training adequately it shouldn't have a negative impact on you.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 23:04:46 UTC No. 206441
>>206409
I can see what you are saying, in my opinion it's it own sport but not a martial art. In my experience doing Muay Thai and wrestling on their own and blending it myself was infinitely more effective than going to an MMA class where 9/10 they just teach a random combo and sometimes a random combo into a double leg. I want to make clear I am not talking about an MMA gym where there are seperate classes like bjj and boxing with their own coaches and timeslots, I am talking about the times you will see a place marketed toward MMA specifically and only MMA is taught.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 23:18:06 UTC No. 206443
>>206401
Why aren't you just replacing your carbs with fries? are you really eating your maintenance diet PLUS french fries everyday? is there a reason you hate yourself?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 00:50:57 UTC No. 206456
>>206401
>Punished anon. A man denied his Abe victory
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 01:40:49 UTC No. 206464
>>206381
Why? For what fucking medal? I donāt understand the point.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 02:16:38 UTC No. 206468
>>206464
Do you live under a rock?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 02:18:40 UTC No. 206469
>>206466
That was so clean, niether of them expected it to work that well
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 03:18:47 UTC No. 206472
>>206468
I donāt pay much attention to the Olympics all Iāve heard is that the japs (probably rightfully) think it was rigged. Do you actually have an answer or do you just want to be a cunt?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 03:46:48 UTC No. 206473
>>206472
So without me even saying anything you knew it was the olympics, knew the whole situation and knew the answer to your question. You have to either be a woman or a retard
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 03:58:32 UTC No. 206475
Are his complaints warranted? Or is he just asshurt his kid lost to the Bronze medalist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdO
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 04:01:28 UTC No. 206476
>>206475
don't even care what the video says, if it's anti-IJF then yes I agree with everything he says without even listening to it
also fuck shintaro, he's on their payroll so he shills for them
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 04:19:25 UTC No. 206477
>>206464
>For what fucking medal?
The team medal.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 04:36:14 UTC No. 206480
>>206473
Hey faggot, I can be casually aware of that the Olympics are going on and that people are mad about something, without knowing exactly why. Thatās why I asked. Clearly youāre intent on just being a cunt so just fuck off then retard.
>>206477
Why does this necessitate a weight category randomizer? Why isnāt everyone just fighting the opposing team in their own weight category? Is this normal?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 09:00:07 UTC No. 206496
>>206355
>Judo and Bjj are the same thing.
LMAO. Let me guess - it's because they have "le same techniques"?
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 02:09:05 UTC No. 206573
Hey guys, do any of you have any brand recommendations for resistance bands for uchikomi practice? Thanks in advance.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 03:58:16 UTC No. 206584
>>206573
neil adams uchikomi bands
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 05:03:07 UTC No. 206595
Should I pull uki towards me in osoto? I feel like when I try driving towards them or even around them I'm still getting pushed out and can't make that chest-to-chest contact. Can I just pull them towards me instead and on the leg I'm attacking instead of trying to shoot my hip against theirs?
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 13:38:16 UTC No. 206634
>>206595
If you are throwing right handed you should be pulling them both towards you AND onto the leg being reaped. You do this by position yourself to their right (your left) side with your initial step in
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 14:52:57 UTC No. 206641
>>206476
KWAB
Maybe Americans should be slightly better at Judo before whining about how it's rigged when they lose to Moldova.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 15:03:04 UTC No. 206647
>>206634
but how far do i have to step to his side? i just cant get passed their arms, no matter if i circle step or go straight.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 16:28:37 UTC No. 206671
>>206647
If theyāre stiff arming you then you shouldnāt be trying to throw osoto, you should be doing a turning throw.
Stiff arming is the an easiest way to get your self seoi naveās, though personally Iām partial to makikomi goshi.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 23:02:40 UTC No. 206757
osoto < kosoto
I will not elaborate.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 01:06:45 UTC No. 206779
>>206119
Just cross train Qi Gong and or Tai-Chi, retard. Also read about Taoist practices if you care so much about aging. You can easily live to 200-500 years if instead of wasting jing you cultivate it. Just google Li Qingyun for more info. Too many baka westerners ignore the energetic body altogether.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 04:20:38 UTC No. 206799
>>206779
Bait aside, tai chi is useful for kuzushi maxxing. Would recommend.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 00:15:01 UTC No. 206928
>>206799
Ramsey Dewey is of the opinion that tai chi is largely shadow wrestling. Does this match your experience?
https://inv.tux.pizza/playlist?list
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 02:27:16 UTC No. 206943
I gotta say after watching this Olympics and the cope from the usual youtubers, the IJF is pretty based with how they run the sport.
Untalented Americans and "for the streets" Frenchfags can deservedly get bent. The referees were good, most shidos were deserved. Marius, I stan.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 06:24:55 UTC No. 206956
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 14:10:47 UTC No. 206982
>>206928
>shadow wrestling
The solo forms sure, but I'd go a step further and say it's just straight up wrestling, albeit in a limited scope.
Seth has a good video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Z
If you were to ask a dozen judo coaches about kuzushi and you'll get a dozen different answers. Some might tell you to push or pull or circle, but at the end of the day you're supposed to just figure it out by feel once you get enough experience. The strength of tai chi IMO is that it quantifies kuzushi into something you consciously practice rather than something you unconsciously pick up eventually after stumbling around in sparring.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 16:00:19 UTC No. 207001
>>206956
Nagayama was the victim of a bad call, absolutely. However, for every match like that, there are dozens where the penalties are applied in a fair way.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 11:29:25 UTC No. 207138
I started with bjj, like 2 times trained. Can I do crosstraining with judo and bjj? I think the dojo that offers judo is probably more lax than compared to the gym where I train bjj. Not even sure if there are many adults training there. I am 30 btw.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 13:45:43 UTC No. 207144
>>207138
if you have the time and energy i don't see why not
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 15:23:58 UTC No. 207165
>>207138
I don't see why you couldn't, but the two are similar enough that I think you'll end up paying dues to two gyms for relatively little benefit
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 21:04:00 UTC No. 207209
>>207138
Cross training will benefit you in both sports but if you want to become as good as possible at either one of them, it's better to just train the particular sport more. Doing them both will make you into a more well rounded grappler though.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 23:45:34 UTC No. 207225
>>207165
Are they really that similiar? Last training in bjj we did learn one throw but I couldnāt use it and was basically lost during sparring, because I didnāt know what to do during standing. So I thought maybe if I go crosstraining with judo I will learn becoming better on standing and with bjj I train mostly ground.
For payment, it will basically just 10 bucks a month a more, because it is not a gym but more of a city thing, like football clubs in germany. Thatās why I donāt expect actual hard training but more a mcdojo like where itās about principles.
>>207209
Not sure if I want to excel at one. I do like having this gi and belt thing, because my weabo self likes it. I want to loose weight and maintain muscles, also I saw a street fight where one cop threw some dude and thought hmm maybe doing judo on the side will not be that bad
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Aug 2024 01:05:54 UTC No. 207232
>>207225
>Are they really that similiar?
Yes and no. BJJ is an offshoot of judo with much heavier focus on ne-waza, resulting in a different competition ruleset and a neglect of throwing techniques. If you train judo and BJJ at the same time you'll arguably be doing something closer to original judo than most people at sport-focused judo or BJJ schools.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Aug 2024 05:13:20 UTC No. 207252
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:36:02 UTC No. 210585
>>203769
Throwing somebody to the ground can cause way more damage and gives you plausible deniability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0C