🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:17:31 UTC No. 16197670
8 days - edition
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Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:19:09 UTC No. 16197674
>>16197670
Changs will win. Musk will fall. Scammer go to hell. I hate Muskians.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:21:45 UTC No. 16197679
>>16197674
I think you clicked on the wrong thread mate
but no worries, I got you the link here >>16178834
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:21:54 UTC No. 16197680
NO-
everybody cares.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:27:24 UTC No. 16197687
>>16197680
You and I care :3
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:44:28 UTC No. 16197698
Daily reminder were not going to see orbital starship launches until next year, because spaceX cant even reenlight raptors yet
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:47:11 UTC No. 16197699
>>16197698
orbital velocity proves they can get to orbit.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:49:40 UTC No. 16197700
>>16197699
war is peace, freedom is slavery.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:50:53 UTC No. 16197703
>>16197700
Your schizophrenia showing again?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:53:21 UTC No. 16197707
>>16197703
listen I wish i could piss in your mouth but thats beside the point.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:54:18 UTC No. 16197709
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 13:56:41 UTC No. 16197714
>>16197709
loxpunk
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:16:34 UTC No. 16197725
>>16197699
I know nigga, they cant get to orbit not because of a velocity issue, but because they cant reenlight raptors in orbit
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:18:51 UTC No. 16197728
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:28:47 UTC No. 16197732
>>16197728
>med monkeys mad at Persian space program excellence
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:33:56 UTC No. 16197734
>>16197683
got live landing audio again! nice
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:34:58 UTC No. 16197736
Skibidi rizz
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:38:05 UTC No. 16197738
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:43:24 UTC No. 16197740
anything special about this booster? this wasn’t a 22nd flight or anything was it?
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:49:33 UTC No. 16197747
>>16197737
how much this repair cost if you contracted boeing to do it?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:50:34 UTC No. 16197748
>>16197737
how much would this repair cost if you contracted boeing to do it?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:51:12 UTC No. 16197749
Its over
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:57:18 UTC No. 16197753
>>16197749
You think so? I’m going to have to disagree with your assessment. To me it appears to be only just beginning.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 14:58:58 UTC No. 16197755
>>16197753
/pol/
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:01:21 UTC No. 16197757
>>16197755
Rockets.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:02:01 UTC No. 16197758
Why is it that jews want to take over all areas apart from pol?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:08:33 UTC No. 16197764
Good Morning friends
~7hrs till SpaceX launch of EarthCARE sat
JAXA with Clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQm
SpaceX
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1kvKpveb
ESA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9W
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:09:57 UTC No. 16197765
>>16197682
There's no way it could possibly be this bad, right?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:13:23 UTC No. 16197769
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:13:49 UTC No. 16197770
>>16197682
starlink will never work
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:14:00 UTC No. 16197771
>>16197765
that is in character for scammy Musk
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:14:39 UTC No. 16197773
this is a pretty long hold
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:17:10 UTC No. 16197776
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:19:00 UTC No. 16197777
>>16197776
speak for yourself, faggot. many people hate Musktard overpromises, underdeliver and his scammy tactic, not just me.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:20:56 UTC No. 16197779
>>16197777
checked, based muskrat exterminator
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:21:36 UTC No. 16197780
>>16197777
ok, newfag
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:34:36 UTC No. 16197792
>>16197777
it's amazing the main criticism of space is you're not good enough while they essentially dominate
You retards would get mad that if SpaceX didn't meet it's own goal of 148 launches a year when others are lucky to get off one a year, but it's ok because the other only advertised a single launch a year
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:37:17 UTC No. 16197795
Reminder that only newfags get buttmad at obvious anti-SpaceX bait
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:45:25 UTC No. 16197801
>>16197796
I did, thank you anon.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:53:06 UTC No. 16197808
>>16197792
It's because normies don't know anything about anything so they view life through a lens of social relations. They don't understand an optimistic estimate, revising opinions with new data, or even the difference between a tech demo and a design mockup. It's all super fucking shallow.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:55:38 UTC No. 16197810
Bros why is it that when I stand outside with my head pointed towards the sun and my eyelids closed for around a minute, my eyes feel so much better afterwards?
If I go to my office without having spent time outside in the sun first, or if I use glasses/sunglasses first my eyes and head will ache for the whole day. But exposure to the sun in this manner eases all tension, and allows me to see sharper with a noticeable blueish tint to all perceived colors. Glare from the sun's is also much less of an issue afterwards.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:57:39 UTC No. 16197812
>>16197810
your a homosexual and staring at the sun washes away the demons for a day.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 15:57:55 UTC No. 16197813
>>16197808
Normies don’t know anything about space flight. You tell them Spacex is on track to launch 135 falcon 9s this year and they’ll ask if that’s more or less than the space shuttle will be doing.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:01:19 UTC No. 16197816
>>16197812
Illogical, I am the straightest man in this city.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:05:30 UTC No. 16197818
>>16197816
That city? San Francisco.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:10:49 UTC No. 16197824
>>16197777
What did he even think these posts had in common
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:16:11 UTC No. 16197832
LOL hobbitlab seething
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:16:38 UTC No. 16197833
>>16197824
anyone can edit html bozo
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:17:29 UTC No. 16197835
>>16197832
paywalled
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:17:41 UTC No. 16197836
>>16197832
interesting
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:24:00 UTC No. 16197842
>>16197835
>>16197836
are you guys retarded or what?
https://archive.is/1A1mv
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:25:20 UTC No. 16197844
>>16197832
The article does the government contracts are subsidies thing in order to try to claim Elon is hypocritical.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:27:00 UTC No. 16197848
>>16197818
That's where the street shitters live.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:28:50 UTC No. 16197850
>>16197842
"wtf, why are they launching their rockets so cheap with their reusable rocket" the article
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:31:24 UTC No. 16197853
>>16197842
>>16197850
even more than that its a hitpiece that brings up his tweets instead of staying on topic. i would have taken it more seriously if they focused on SpaceX the company and not portrayed SpaceX as basically just another arm of Elon. it also takes out of context the price decreases, SpaceX has just been getting more and more efficient over time its not like theyre offering worse services at higher prices like a REAL monopoly would, they are continuously improving their services which means that they are able to drop prices and still say profit neutral in the first place. the entire article is just so disingenuous about its purpose and its sad to see. but what do you expect from non-spaceflight specific news reporters when they talk about SpaceX?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:39:21 UTC No. 16197863
>>16197810
PRAISE THE SUN
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:45:13 UTC No. 16197866
>>16197853
You don’t hate journalists enough
You think you do but you don’t
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:45:53 UTC No. 16197868
>>16197833
I'm phone posting from my real job at my company that I own, do you think I would spend one fucking second doing that? I just asked if the reality was as dire as the YouTube screenshot implied (because I doubt it)
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:48:02 UTC No. 16197874
>>16197832
>SpaceX is privately held, so it does not release revenue figures, but Payload, an industry research site, estimated that nearly 60 percent of SpaceX’s launch-related revenue last year came from the federal government.
>This means that despite Mr. Musk’s early disdain for government subsidies granted to his rivals, including Lockheed and Boeing, SpaceX’s own rise has been bankrolled in large part by NASA and the Pentagon.
Why do these retards not have a single clue was subsidies are?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:48:59 UTC No. 16197875
>>16197868
nice subtle brag homo. the reality is that youre posting from the government welfare office.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:50:03 UTC No. 16197878
>>16197874
>I paid you money to do something so you can't be mad I paid someone else just cause
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:53:22 UTC No. 16197881
>>16197875
>subtle brag
If you interacted with small business owners in any capacity you'd know the only requirement is to not be afflicted with down syndrome (optional)
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 16:58:10 UTC No. 16197883
>>16197874
They actually do know what subsidies are. They're just used to thinking of government contracts as do nothing graft rather than an impetus to improve the service.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:05:14 UTC No. 16197890
>>16197810
You are recharging your prana. During sunrise and sunset you can even do it with eyes open. Getting up for sunrise and sungazing is pretty much the best start of the day to get shit done.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:09:11 UTC No. 16197893
What's the timezone of the anti SpaceX seether?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:11:13 UTC No. 16197894
>>16197893
Seems to be US
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:12:35 UTC No. 16197895
>>16197853
The point isn't so much that SpaceX is using monopoly pricing power, rather that it wants to kill off the competition so that it can then fully exploit monopoly pricing power.
The implied conclusion is that the government needs to step in and create a separate shielded market for the companies that are behind SpaceX, because otherwise those companies will die off and the market concentration of the industry will remain bad or even become worse.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:14:07 UTC No. 16197897
Any educated guesses for the next hop? Still two weeks?
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:14:58 UTC No. 16197899
>>16197874
Just because you buy something doesn't mean it's not a subsidy. If you overpay, it's a subsidy. If you pay for something you didn't truly need, it's a subsidy. If you buy just to give your customer better economies of scale, it's a subsidy.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:17:32 UTC No. 16197902
>>16197874
They didn't say the money given to SpaceX was a subsidy, they just implied it.
Still: just because you purchase something for the money doesn't mean it's not a subsidy. If you overpay, it's a subsidy. If you pay for something you didn't truly need, it's a subsidy. If you buy to give your vendor better economies of scale, it's a subsidy. If you buy to give your vendor experience, it's a subsidy. If you buy to help your vendor pay off their factory and installed equipment, it's a subsidy.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:18:00 UTC No. 16197903
spaceX failed yet another wet dress rehearsal, whats out cope this time boys?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:19:26 UTC No. 16197905
>>16197895
i fail to see how its the governments job to hand out gibs because companies have bad business plans. are we supposed to just subsidize any old stupid business plan that comes along just because spacex is running an actual business compared to the other vc scams? thats exactly what oldspace did, take gibs for awful work.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:19:53 UTC No. 16197907
>>16197903
no cope this time... i sold all my shares...
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:21:15 UTC No. 16197908
>>16197903
>look at me im a baiting fag
pretending to be a faggot is indeed being a faggot
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:22:00 UTC No. 16197909
>>16197895
The only problem is that we are talking about billions of tax payer money, hard to make argument why should people pay more for worse service
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:22:07 UTC No. 16197910
>>16197908
post body
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:22:42 UTC No. 16197912
>>16197895
>The implied conclusion is that the government needs to step in and create a separate shielded market for the companies that are behind SpaceX, because otherwise those companies will die off and the market concentration of the industry will remain bad or even become worse.
That's pretty much standing government policy. The whole reason ULA was allowed to exist as a monopoly is it preserved two dissimilar rocket options. Instead of whining about SpaceX these newspace guys should be gunning for ULA to take the number 2 NASA+NSSL spot.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:22:54 UTC No. 16197913
>>16197877
so the mishap is done, but that didn't really matter anyway because the license for IFT-4 did not require it
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:23:11 UTC No. 16197914
>>16197910
fruity ahh post
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:23:47 UTC No. 16197916
>>16197903
What'd it do, stay dry?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:24:29 UTC No. 16197917
>>16197913
>so the mishap is done
abysmal reading comprehension
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:25:57 UTC No. 16197919
>>16197902
So if the government pays market rates for something and the provider finds a way to do it cheaper than the rest of the market, suddenly the government is granting a subsidy?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:28:43 UTC No. 16197924
>>16197905
Because, given the current state of the industry, there are no viable business plans that don't involve government intervention, or being a super-billionaire willing to spend out of pocket like Bezos.
Maybe you should try opening an introductory economics textbook sometime. You could read the section called "monopoly -> sources of monopoly -> barriers to entry", or something similar. You could also read about the negative effects to society of high market concentration.
SpaceX would never have succeeded without government industrial policy (commercial resupply).
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:30:39 UTC No. 16197925
SpaceX hasn't lowered Falcon 9 prices in years.
They could offer it for half yet they don't.
Doesn't seem very anticompetitive to me.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:33:39 UTC No. 16197928
>>16197925
Didn't they increase the price at some point too
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:33:41 UTC No. 16197929
>>16197912
That is not what's happening. The startups are not really allowed to compete with ULA because the barriers to take over ULA's NSSL contract are so extremely high. What is needed isn't "SpaceX + ULA". What is needed is "SpaceX + free competition in a separate market where ULA is allowed to fail". A third provider for NSSL Lane 2 and creating NSSL Lane 1 is a good start however it needs to be expanded and it must be guaranteed that SpaceX will not be allowed to participate in NSSL Lane 1.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:35:34 UTC No. 16197932
>>16197902
>just because you purchase something for the money doesn't mean it's not a subsidy
>list of things that do not apply to either SpaceX or Tesla
And this is setting aside that it is a deflection for companies like ULA getting hundreds of millions in direct subsidies.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:40:25 UTC No. 16197936
>>16197919
It can be, although I didn't say it was a case of subsidy here. I just pointed out that a purchase can be a subsidy, and it needs more analysis to determine whether it has a subsidizing component to it or not.
>market price
It's hard to determine a proper "market price" is right now because there are so few actors on this market that there isn't much of a market. "Market price" is right now essentially whatever SpaceX decides, within a range. I.e. they have a lot of pricing power.
In economic theory, the ideal industry structure is one where no company has pricing power - "perfect competition". This is the industry structure that will deliver the best possible price to consumers.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:42:54 UTC No. 16197938
>>16197936
You were trying to obfuscate the subject to rationalize the article spreading misinfo.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:44:41 UTC No. 16197944
>>16197916
Didn’t get dressed
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:44:57 UTC No. 16197945
>>16197909
And this is why China is going to win the economic war in the end. The government is not afraid to intervene in markets and spend money for the purpose of long term industrial policy.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:50:04 UTC No. 16197951
>>16197938
What is the misinformation in the article? I thought they were quite clear in avoiding stating false things. They just made implications for the reader to reach on his own. Maybe I missed something?
As for SpaceX subsidies: they wouldn't have existed in the first place if not for the NASA contract they got that paid for most of the initial product development and created a viable business case. If NASA had simply procured ISS resupply on the open market, they could certainly have bought it cheaper by buying Progress launches from the Russians. It would have cost more in the long term however each individual purchase batch would have been cheaper than developing a new rocket and cargo vehicle from scratch. So why didn't NASA just do that? Because of strategic industrial policy.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:55:47 UTC No. 16197958
>>16197938
What is the misinformation in the article? I thought they were quite clear in avoiding stating false things. They just made implications and let the reader to reach conclusions on his own. Maybe I missed something?
As for SpaceX subsidies: they wouldn't have succeeded in the first place if not for the NASA contract they got that paid for most of the initial product development and created a viable business case. If NASA had simply procured ISS resupply on the open market, they could certainly have bought it cheaper by buying Progress launches from the Russians. It would have cost more in the long term however each individual purchase batch would have been cheaper than developing a new rocket and cargo vehicle from scratch. So why didn't NASA just do that? Because of strategic industrial policy.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 17:56:51 UTC No. 16197960
>>16197945
What if the government makes a mistake?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:02:35 UTC No. 16197970
>>16197963
Built for Shaken Astronaut Syndrome.
But actually, built for Delta IV.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:03:52 UTC No. 16197972
>>16197960
It's inevitable that there'll be mistakes, because no one has a crystal ball that can predict the future or a 100% perfect understanding of a dynamic high-tech industry and its relation with the rest of the economy. It's guaranteed you'll overspend, that some money will be misappropriated, that some money will be wasted on dead ends, on duplication, on mismanaged companies that fail anyway, etc.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:07:17 UTC No. 16197978
>>16197958
>they wouldn't have succeeded in the first place if not for the NASA contract they got that paid for most of the initial product development and created a viable business case.
How is this really a gotcha or some kinda bad thing?
It almost seems to me people prefer if the usual government contractors just squander tax money.
The decision to take advantage of a situation to grow a company instead of just pay executives I guess seems super easy on it's face but I doubt 99.9% of people or companies in the same situation would do the same.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:08:22 UTC No. 16197979
>>16197972
By far the greatest difficulties in carrying out good industrial policy aren't mistakes, they're (a) the government lacking a long term view, and (b) the government being influenced by special interests. China has less of a problem in both of those regards because (a) the CPC isn't in danger of losing the next election, and (b) the CPC is a stable and self-perpetuating entity that doesn't depend on support from media moguls, industry tycoons and union bosses to get re-elected.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:11:35 UTC No. 16197984
>>16197978
>How is this really a gotcha or some kinda bad thing?
It isn't. The whole point is that the government has done it in the past for SpaceX and should do the same thing again for more companies. The government should not just "let the free market take its course".
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:17:49 UTC No. 16197992
>>16197984
Small launch has received billions in venture capital to date, far more than SpaceX's initial COTS contract. The fact they dont already have an operational F9 clone is embarrassing.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:24:05 UTC No. 16197998
>>16197992
Everyone capable of creating an F9 clone works for spacex
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:26:37 UTC No. 16198000
>>16197998
It's really not about the engineers.
It's all about management which ultimately derives from the CEO.
Blue Origin has great engineers.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:26:37 UTC No. 16198001
>>16197992
1.
It's spread over many companies.
2.
It's not enough to merely have an F9 v1.0 clone. It would have been enough if the year was 2012 however the leading edge is a moving target, and the barriers to entry are becoming bigger. A startup can't just create F9 v1.0 style minimum viable product and then fund further development with revenue like SpaceX did. SpaceX did not have to compete with SpaceX, second movers do have to compete with SpaceX.
See for example how Stoke's Nova, Relativity's Terran-R or Rocket Lab's Neutron are aiming well beyond just a F9 v1.0 clone.
Also, it's also not just a matter of technology, you also need high cadence.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:27:04 UTC No. 16198002
>>16197998
HAHA YOU FUCKERS REALLY BELEIVE THIS. honey vulcan is better.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:27:53 UTC No. 16198004
>>16197979
>By far the greatest difficulties in carrying out good industrial policy aren't mistakes
because bad industrial policy usually doesn't last long enough in a capitalist democracy to do lasting damage.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:27:57 UTC No. 16198005
>>16198002
baitcuck kys
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:28:44 UTC No. 16198007
>>16197877
>need to bold the text for artists
lol
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:30:39 UTC No. 16198011
>>16198001
>Relativity's Terran-R
>aiming well beyond just a F9 v1.0 clone
[X]
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:32:36 UTC No. 16198013
>>16198000
Also company culture which is basically a form of self management and derives from the CEO
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:36:30 UTC No. 16198016
>>16198001
Relativity Space is valued at over 4 billion and their first launch failed. They have more than enough money
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:38:01 UTC No. 16198018
>>16198011
1. methalox
2. intended from the start to be reusable
3. different manufacturing techniques
4. 50% more payload than F9FT, 200% more than F9v1.0
5. they were originally aiming even higher
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:41:35 UTC No. 16198024
>>16198016
That they were valued at $4 billion doesn't mean they have received $4 billion in investment. From what I've read, they've raised $1.3 billion. That will probably be enough to finish Terran-R development however it won't help them much if the Terran-R isn't going to be competitive.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:47:13 UTC No. 16198030
>>16197958
>where was the misinfo, they only deliberately misled the reader
lol, lmao even
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:49:02 UTC No. 16198032
>>16198024
The market is absolutely desperate for capacity, especially spacex alternatives. Amazon bought out 80 launches over the next decade from Ariane, ULA, BO. SpaceX capacity will continue to be Starlink focused. There is plenty room for dissimilar F9 clones
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:49:08 UTC No. 16198033
>>16197963
Vulcan will never be crew rated.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:50:47 UTC No. 16198035
How tf does crew dreamchaser work? put astronauts in the fairing? lol
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:51:04 UTC No. 16198038
>>16198032
Amazon is a competitor to SpaceX both directly amd through Bezos' other companies and not representative of the market as a whole.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:52:10 UTC No. 16198041
>>16198038
Thanks for proving you're a baiting nigger
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:52:18 UTC No. 16198042
>>16198035
Just load the astronauts before vehicle integration.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:52:41 UTC No. 16198043
>>16198035
Depictions of a crewed Dreamchaser never had fairings, cargo Dreamchaser uses them for better performance.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:53:45 UTC No. 16198044
>>16197832
>More recently, SpaceX started what it called Bandwagon, which offers satellite makers launches to orbits that provide them better coverage over key sections of the world. SpaceX is selling these flights at far below its own costs to undermine its competition, Mr. Beck said, citing his own estimates.
>“Bandwagon is like, the most bold and obtuse anti-competitive thing you can do,” said Mr. Beck, whose company charges about $21,500 per kilogram for its launches to specific orbits.
lol
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:55:00 UTC No. 16198048
>>16198032
Kuiper only plans 3,226 satellites, at least as thing stand right now. The operating altitude will be 590km and higher, so the lifespan of each satellite might be longer than for Starlink. Amazon alone isn't going to keep paying indefinitely to compensate for the US government's lack of industrial policy.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:55:03 UTC No. 16198050
>>16198041
Your disingenuous arguments getting called out is not bait.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:56:19 UTC No. 16198052
>>16198044
KEEEEEEK
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:57:45 UTC No. 16198055
>>16198043
it's literally not aerodynamically possible to launch dreamchaser without a fairing
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:58:14 UTC No. 16198056
>>16197979
>the CCP is immune to special interests and makes careful long term plans
too on the nose my wumao friend
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:58:53 UTC No. 16198057
>>16198048
Bezos is no stranger to money pits.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 18:59:04 UTC No. 16198059
>>16198055
Rockets literally don't care about aerodynamic stability.
Have you seen the Starship?
You just use the engines for control.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:02:46 UTC No. 16198063
>>16198059
Not true
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:03:01 UTC No. 16198065
>Past two WDRs experienced uncorrectable faults with the plumbing around the booster common dome and downcomer. Majorly invasive work would be required to fix these. Expect booster rollback shortly followed by B12 rollout for SF test campaign. IFT-4 likely not happening in June
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:03:13 UTC No. 16198066
>>16197895
doesn't that already exist with NSSL? with phase 3 or something going to new launch providers that haven't really proved themselves yet
they also kind of glossed over Blue Origin, if New Glenn works there isn't going to be a monopoly
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:04:19 UTC No. 16198068
>>16197992
SpaceX was awarded contracts worth $396 million in 2006 for initial development and $1.6 billion in 2008 for 12 flights, which in 2024 dollars is $615 million and $2.3 billion respectively. Also the government bought the first three F1 launches.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:04:52 UTC No. 16198069
>>16198065
nuclear grade cope
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:04:55 UTC No. 16198070
>>16197902
if anything, SpaceX is being underpaid compared to the competition
also when talking about ULA in the article they specifically seemed not to mention that ULA was just given a billion a year to do nothing, a direct subsidy just to be there
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:05:24 UTC No. 16198071
>>16198018
>1. methalox
hydrolox and solids
>2. intended from the start to be reusable
>sustainer core
>intented to be reusable
anon I...
>3. different manufacturing techniques
cheaper to make than a Delta IV is an extremely low hurdle
>4. 50% more payload than F9FT, 200% more than F9v1.0
With six solids which put it in expended Falcon Heavy's price range, for less performance.
>5. they were originally aiming even higher
And?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:06:16 UTC No. 16198072
>>16198071
are you having a stroke?
delete your retarded post while you still can
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:06:57 UTC No. 16198074
>>16198066
SpaceX is allowed to participate in NSSL Lane 1, which pretty much defeats the whole point.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:08:38 UTC No. 16198078
>>16198071
Are you talking about Terran-R, or are you talking about Vulcan, or what?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:09:06 UTC No. 16198080
>>16197958
those implications are done on purpose to mislead
leaving out crucial information or only talking about specific things is misinformation even if it isn't technically outright lying
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:09:08 UTC No. 16198081
>>16198044
>SpaceX is selling these flights at far below its own costs
>Bandwagon is like, the most bold and obtuse anti-competitive thing you can do
ohnononononono
>Mr. Beck, whose company charges about $21,500 per kilogram
AAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHAHAHAH
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:09:17 UTC No. 16198082
>>16198065
L2 confirms
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:09:58 UTC No. 16198083
>>16198068
source?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:10:14 UTC No. 16198084
>>16198057
He might be willing to fund money pits however I'm pretty sure he will insist that they be *his* money pits
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:11:06 UTC No. 16198087
>>16197813
they'll say that 135 launches is a bad thing because that's obviously way too many and spacex is risking kessler syndrome
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:11:16 UTC No. 16198088
>>16198083
Wikipedia article on SpaceX
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:13:03 UTC No. 16198093
>>16198078
anon went full retard and started talking about Vulcan
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:18:27 UTC No. 16198099
>>16198056
He's not completely wrong about that. China is an authoritarian hell-state so anything that would be recognized in the west as a "special interest" was either absorbed or destroyed. "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” The communists are also big fans of multi-year plans, although the wisdom that goes into making them varies widely.
On the other hand, China might not have electorally driven politics, but it does have internal factions that fight for power, and this fucked over the Soviet space program on more than one occasion. Calling it "stable and self-perpetuating" is also completely ignoring the cycles of liberalization and crackdown that China passes through.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:18:55 UTC No. 16198100
>>16198098
whoever the faggot is that voted 95 ack yourself immediatly
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:19:38 UTC No. 16198103
>>16198098
4 days until what? Certainly not the “space”craft in your picture launching.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:20:08 UTC No. 16198105
>>16198098
ip grabber
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:20:14 UTC No. 16198106
>>16198098
Why is it disgustingly shitstained?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:21:09 UTC No. 16198108
>>16198018
when is it launching?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:21:19 UTC No. 16198109
>>16198099
>China is an authoritarian hell-state so anything that would be recognized in the west as a "special interest" was either absorbed or destroyed
China is infamous for book cooking which is enabled by the extreme top down authoritarianism of the CCP.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:23:33 UTC No. 16198111
>>16198065
I refuse to believe it
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:23:34 UTC No. 16198112
>>16197877
https://x.com/BCCarCounters/status/
Dammit, give more context, didnt see this until I tried posting.
Context: FAA doesnt see any issue with Flight 3, therefore launch license SOOOON. Possibly within this week
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:26:07 UTC No. 16198115
>>16198099
the united states had special interests wrecking our long-term planning abilities in the 1950s - they were called the army, navy, and air force. then in the 1958-1961 period a series of decisions were made to disempower the internal factions because american political leadership knew that was the only way to surpass the soviets.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:26:35 UTC No. 16198117
the other thread is funnier than this boring rocket science shit thread
j/k.
starship launch when?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:29:04 UTC No. 16198118
>>16198074
seems to me that there isn't really a maximum number of providers and it is specifically aimed at small launchers with 1000kg to LEO
does it matter if SpaceX can compete if they are just given one launch as a token for Starship or something?
then lane 2 has three providers, so even if SpaceX and ULA take two spots there is space for a new entrant
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/202
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:30:52 UTC No. 16198120
>>16198117
My best guess is 2 more working weeks.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:35:27 UTC No. 16198126
>>16198117
two weeks rounding up
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:36:11 UTC No. 16198127
>>16198117
Read the thread edition retard.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:39:02 UTC No. 16198128
>>16198118
>>16198074
Why wouldn't the most prolific small sat launcher in the world be allowed to compete in a small lift scale lane?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 19:51:56 UTC No. 16198134
>>16198117
/pol/tranny malding that his thread gets ignored and laughed at.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 20:09:14 UTC No. 16198148
>>16198118
Payload says SpaceX, ULA and BO were the ones that bid on Lane 1 at this time
https://payloadspace.com/clean-up-i
There isn't a maximum number of participants however there is a maximum number of payloads to bid on
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 20:32:38 UTC No. 16198170
>>16198106
Shaniqua at Boing got a little out of control with a blowtorch while twerking for a TikTok video.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 20:33:06 UTC No. 16198171
>>16198086
this was before they knew about aerodynamics.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 20:35:39 UTC No. 16198173
>>16198106
its the same capsule they used in the last demo mission.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 20:50:31 UTC No. 16198190
>>16198173
stingy bastards.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 20:54:32 UTC No. 16198193
https://x.com/shivon/status/1795527
the search for heirs to the empire continues
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 20:57:17 UTC No. 16198196
>>16197810
Vitamin D or something
tl;dr sun good
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:02:56 UTC No. 16198202
>>16198190
crazy how everything gets a negative spin when its done by boeing lol
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:04:31 UTC No. 16198203
>>16198193
Enron Mollusk junior
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:11:09 UTC No. 16198210
>>16198203
HAHA
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:13:08 UTC No. 16198213
>>16198202
Considering the last few years, they’ve earned it.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:48 UTC No. 16198217
>>16198202
Almost like Boeing has had a decade of major fuckups including killing hundreds of people through pure corporate greed.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:20:12 UTC No. 16198219
>>16198217
Slow and steady wins the race
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:26:03 UTC No. 16198225
https://x.com/NASA_Gateway/status/1
>Gateway is a vital part of @NASAArtemis. Built with industry and international partners, the next-gen space station will support:
> A sustained presence around the Moon.
> Crewed missions to the lunar surface.
> Deep space science and discovery.
https://go.nasa.gov/3yAU5eO
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:28:36 UTC No. 16198229
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel
>The Spaceport Company (TSC) was awarded a contract by the Defense Innovation Unit (DIU) to deliver cargo and enable greater access to space by leveraging a unique, sea-going mobile space launch complex. This prototype is intended to demonstrate delivery to a mission-designed orbit and test autonomy-like features of the sea launch vessel.
>In Phase 1 of the Novel Responsive Space Delivery (NRSD) project, TSC will construct and demonstrate foundational maritime launch technologies within the next 12 months. Depending on TSC's Phase 1 outcome, DIU may award future modular phases to TSC. DIU's objective in this phased approach is to work with TSC as it constructs its self-contained, ocean-going space launch complex and creates the complex's capability to quickly deliver satellites to orbit from wide swathes of the ocean on a regular, commercial basis.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:30:08 UTC No. 16198230
>>16198225
Holy shit gateway in the same infographic as starship hls!?! And published by nasa no less. It’s not to scale but I’m impressed that they’d even do that.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:35:13 UTC No. 16198239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9W
Falcon 9 is getting ready to launch an important European payload. This should be entertaining.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:36:26 UTC No. 16198242
>>16198239
>The launcher is getting ready to launch an important European payload
fixed that for you
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:40:20 UTC No. 16198248
>>16198242
The weird short lady actually named the Falcon 9 earlier. It was nice, but their shame still isn't complete.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:48:08 UTC No. 16198262
>>16197682
Salivating over a species level achievement failing just so one rich guy you dont like will feel disappointment, you have to be mentally ill
Also we know a test article with heavy redundancy and in development hardware has shit performance. Also we know it has numerous design flaws. So even if this is all correct there's nothing unusual about it. Spacex either improves/fixes it or they fail.
Anyway that wasn't enough, so he lays on more icing because the HLS interior is just an interior volume mockup for suits to see. He expected it to be fully furnished with props that do nothing like a movie set, or like the competitor's mock ups, oh wait. He doesn't describe whats wrong with the plan or what nasa is objecting to. Actually it's just retarded in the first place to believe spacex can't design a habitat with an insane amount of space and mass or work with when dragon exists. Because they hire young people or something
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:57:46 UTC No. 16198282
>>16198262
war is peace, freedom is slavery.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:58:44 UTC No. 16198283
the ESA kid is spergin out
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 21:59:01 UTC No. 16198284
>>16198262
I for one hope the actual interior of hls is just a cubic kilometer void with two cots and an airlock
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:08:34 UTC No. 16198286
https://www.space.com/swedish-space
Might finally be able to see a launch in person, I don't live too far from the launch site. Never expected South Koreans of all people to be the one to utilize the newly built launch facility.
Pretty nice little rocket as well, I hope something comes out of this
https://perigee.space/mission/
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:10:38 UTC No. 16198289
>>16198225
>>16198230
This one is probably closer to scale
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:12:00 UTC No. 16198290
>>16198257
Wait a moment, this is official JAXA stream, not clear's channel.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:17:28 UTC No. 16198293
>>16198257
Need JAXA wife
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:18:11 UTC No. 16198296
>>16198293
I love Asian women so much it's unreal
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:18:25 UTC No. 16198297
>>16198239
ESA must be seething that they can't launch this on one of their own launchers
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:18:43 UTC No. 16198298
>>16198257
How does our girl just keep winning
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:20:11 UTC No. 16198302
>>16198296
I just love women (beautiful) in general
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:21:46 UTC No. 16198303
Max Cute
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:21:57 UTC No. 16198305
Clear Max-Qute!
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:22:07 UTC No. 16198306
>>16198297
It was originally supposed to launch on a Soyuz, and then had Vega-C as a backup. I'm a bit surprised they didn't try penciling it in on an Ariane 62 before inking a contract with SpaceX.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:22:31 UTC No. 16198307
Max Qute
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:23:24 UTC No. 16198308
Oh it's got the gross nozzle
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:32:55 UTC No. 16198320
They need to set these stream commentators up with some kind of audio delay system so they can work around the mission control callouts more naturally. Also they need to be banned from saying "good callout there"
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:33:37 UTC No. 16198321
>>16197717
I still miss that nigga so much like you can't believe.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:40:13 UTC No. 16198325
>>16198098
>4 more delays
ftfy
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:40:43 UTC No. 16198326
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:42:05 UTC No. 16198329
>>16198193
>literally who pajeeta published something on MuskBook
>gets posted ITT
tell me how I know this thread is full of actual shills without telling me
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:46:00 UTC No. 16198332
ITS HAPPENING, GET THE FUCK IN HERE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:46:46 UTC No. 16198333
>>16197818
kek
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:48:14 UTC No. 16198336
>>16198332
fake link
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:48:27 UTC No. 16198337
>>16198332
>@corp-spacex2
nigger
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:48:48 UTC No. 16198338
>>16197963
>snake_eating_puppy.webm
:-(
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:49:08 UTC No. 16198339
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:49:54 UTC No. 16198340
>>16198332
>90k watching now
wtf
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:51:14 UTC No. 16198342
>>16198340
bots streaming for morons
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:54:19 UTC No. 16198345
>>16198098
what would your last meal and your last words to your family be before being loading into the Boeing death capsule?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:55:59 UTC No. 16198347
>>16198342
Bots streaming for bots. The only humans in the equation are the ones who set up the bots (probably pajeets) and the adverting execs who think they're doing a good job because the line is going up
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:57:39 UTC No. 16198349
>>16198329
its the mother of that kid
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 22:58:06 UTC No. 16198351
>>16198332
Double my bitcoin!?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:03:43 UTC No. 16198355
>>16198336
YOURE BULLSHITTING? YOU HAVE TO BE.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:05:45 UTC No. 16198359
>>16198099
in practice the central government tends to fuck with your life less than here in the US
in the US some group of faggots or subhumans can use the federal government to force everyone else to call them real people, but that doesn't really happen in the PRC
it's not democracy, but neither is picking one of D or R and the vote being ultimately decided by who can import more third world garbage from Somlia or Latin America or get a favorable supreme court ruling
it's true that the cops could just snatch you up and shoot you in the head for no reason (although it's a lot less likely if you're a foreigner because there would be political consequences at a global scale)
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:17:13 UTC No. 16198368
>>16198332
Im signing up. Ive got like $10000 in bitcoin, if elons willing to double it then ill send it no questions asked.
/s
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:21:29 UTC No. 16198372
>>16198368
Be quick! He's not doing it for long
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:21:58 UTC No. 16198374
>>16198347
The account has been hacked from a vietnamese pop or drama channel or something. Thats how it has so many subs already
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:23:49 UTC No. 16198377
>>16198372
What I did was send $1 in BTC, he doubled it, I sent $2, $4, $8, $16, etc
im on $1,073,741,824 now after only 30 repeats!
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:37:32 UTC No. 16198392
>>16198368
>>16198372
Bros, I send 0.420btc and I didnt get double back yet. How long does it take? I'm getting nervous.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:38:08 UTC No. 16198393
>>16198392
soon bro
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:47:07 UTC No. 16198399
>>16198332
My mom sent me one of these once. She has a master's degree
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:48:50 UTC No. 16198400
>>16198284
Our autistic king would probably need to be told why that doesn't work
>it's only one week? who would need more than a bed and a screen? should we add a chair?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:51:44 UTC No. 16198404
>>16198399
University is a humiliation ritual so she's probably not smart
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:53:55 UTC No. 16198406
>>16198405
>the launcher
Anonymous at Tue, 28 May 2024 23:59:52 UTC No. 16198408
>>16198405
lmao, Eric can be such a shitter when he wants to be.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:02:30 UTC No. 16198413
>>16198405
Who cares about this Eceleb?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:21:26 UTC No. 16198429
>>16198421
sorry, I don't associate with Russians
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:22:48 UTC No. 16198431
>>16198429
Ethnic Georgian bro
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:24:02 UTC No. 16198432
>>16198421
No, I'm afraid of beautiful women.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:24:46 UTC No. 16198433
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:25:03 UTC No. 16198436
>>16198413
ESA is an eceleb to you?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:26:16 UTC No. 16198438
>>16198433
lmao, this
a Muscovite is a Muscovite no matter where he comes from
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:38:18 UTC No. 16198446
>>16198421
Rape is legal in space.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:45:58 UTC No. 16198457
>>16198441
California looks mid af
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:48:23 UTC No. 16198460
>>16198441
HOLY SHIT, are they really launching this frequently? I count 13 rocket ships in that space train!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 00:57:37 UTC No. 16198463
>>16198460
This actually is the first month we've have with 13 Falcon launches
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 01:01:34 UTC No. 16198468
>>16198421
When do the sex experiments begin?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 01:23:56 UTC No. 16198485
Do you think any astronauts have smacked one out on the ISS?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 01:32:44 UTC No. 16198495
>>16198490
L2 bros...
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 01:34:40 UTC No. 16198498
>>16198485
Every single one of them.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 01:34:50 UTC No. 16198499
>>16198127
OP was lying. see >>16198490
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 01:35:00 UTC No. 16198500
Does anyone have a tally of days between starship launches?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 01:45:59 UTC No. 16198511
You can just see satellites.
This is so kino
https://x.com/dominickmatthew/statu
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:02:03 UTC No. 16198535
>>16198528
we should go decontaminate mars.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:06:11 UTC No. 16198541
>>16198538
200
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:18:41 UTC No. 16198546
>>16198538
two
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:21:30 UTC No. 16198548
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:26:26 UTC No. 16198550
>>16198538
1, just me, and I'm not coming back.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:26:34 UTC No. 16198551
Muffin
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:27:25 UTC No. 16198553
>>16198538
9
one per class
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:36:51 UTC No. 16198561
>>16198553
there is ZERO reason to bring the freaking scout to Mars
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:39:29 UTC No. 16198563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3
linus video about servers on the ISS
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:41:22 UTC No. 16198565
>>16198563
also the internet on the ISS is a fucking joke holy crap
just use starlink already
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:41:48 UTC No. 16198566
>>16198538
as many femboys that can fit in the pod
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:46:38 UTC No. 16198569
>>16198538
70 people would be a good number. Good redundancy and specialization.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:47:18 UTC No. 16198571
>>16198538
how many starships are we launching?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 03:09:04 UTC No. 16198594
>>16198563
Does he accidentally drop a satellite?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 03:21:54 UTC No. 16198601
>>16198594
yeah, piece of it fell on my house
not his fault, blame the sat operator
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:09:17 UTC No. 16198637
Moderator:
Claiming one's posts are on-topic does not mean that they are, indeed, on-topic.
Ad hominem posts are forbidden.
Thread trimmed of recent posts by dustinthewind and replies to those posts.
Edit: No, dustinthewind, my thread trim is not an invitation to explain your off-topic posts with yet another off-topic post.
Another post deleted.
2nd edit: No, Turgin's post from 2023 was off-topic as well. I deleted it as well. Thank you for pointing it out to me.
Yet another post deleted.
3rd edit: Thread locked
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:10:59 UTC No. 16198640
>>16198637
what the fuck are you on about nigger
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:12:00 UTC No. 16198642
>>16198640
NSF mods are insufferable little shit-stains
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:14:19 UTC No. 16198644
>>16198642
Back to reggit nigger
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:14:59 UTC No. 16198645
>>16198644
Thread locked. Let's try to be a little more civil next time okay?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:16:00 UTC No. 16198646
test
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:31:13 UTC No. 16198658
>>16198538
I always send one Kerbal
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:42:06 UTC No. 16198662
>no one has died on the moon yet.
I still have a shot into immortality...
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:43:19 UTC No. 16198666
>>16198662
nobody has killed on the moon yet either
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:44:03 UTC No. 16198668
>>16198662
Would be really funny if off-world death was the trigger for the next step in the simulation and we've been dodging it for decades
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:44:45 UTC No. 16198669
>>16198668
plenty of bacteria in the shitbags they left behind perished
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 04:47:06 UTC No. 16198670
>>16198669
Non-sapients don't count
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:03:03 UTC No. 16198681
>>16198668
schizos not welcome
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:49:52 UTC No. 16198724
rape the earth
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:55:01 UTC No. 16198732
>>16198713
flags-and-footprints missions are a show of force to any aerosols or infrared radiation that thinks it can mess with us
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:56:05 UTC No. 16198733
>>16198724
holy based
fuck the earth, what did it ever do for me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63a
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:56:20 UTC No. 16198734
>>16198713
Eesa is the last bastion of hope for our dying world
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:57:07 UTC No. 16198737
>>16198732
radiation isn't even real, you ever seen it? don't think so
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:58:11 UTC No. 16198739
>>16198737
This argument has legs
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 05:59:31 UTC No. 16198740
>>16198739
3 of them
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 06:00:26 UTC No. 16198742
>>16198737
This is how you know Moon landing deniers are feds. Really? A Moon landing denier believes in invisible scary killer "radiation" in the Van Allen belts. Yeah OK
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 06:44:27 UTC No. 16198780
https://archive.is/MTe21
New hitpiece about SpaceX dropped. Laced with leftwing political talking points and feelings from other space companies about the intent of spacex launch contracts
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 06:49:08 UTC No. 16198784
>>16198780
Feat. Peter Beck(Rocket Labs), Jim Cantrell, Tim Ellis (Relativity)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 07:20:16 UTC No. 16198813
>>16198668
The simulation is not a game. If it were we would likely be NPCs anyway.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 07:20:33 UTC No. 16198814
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 07:50:56 UTC No. 16198831
>>16197874
they themselves know perfectly well
but they think the average reader is ignorant enough not to know the difference
they are probably right
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:04:13 UTC No. 16198838
>>16198490
C-Day
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:10:21 UTC No. 16198846
So whem are we laumchin?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:11:34 UTC No. 16198849
>>16198846
two weeks
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:11:40 UTC No. 16198850
Hello I have been absent a number of days and wish to know how long until the next Starship test flight
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:11:58 UTC No. 16198852
>>16198849
tell the truth
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:12:34 UTC No. 16198853
>>16198850
TWO WEEKS
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:14:18 UTC No. 16198854
hi /sfg/! i just read further up in the thread that ift-4 will be on june 5. can someone please tell me what day it will happen?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:16:04 UTC No. 16198856
>>16198854
how long away is june 5fth
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:16:30 UTC No. 16198857
>>16198716
Me on the right
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:32:12 UTC No. 16198874
>>16198855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL2
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:34:28 UTC No. 16198875
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/24/
another seethe article from NY, but this was a week ago
the link is weird because its a gift article
but if you prefer, here is the archive link
https://archive.is/XBjGa
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:40:09 UTC No. 16198881
>>16198875
>A community organizer in the city who opposes SpaceX’s intrusion into Brownsville, Bekah Hinojosa, told me at length about the material concerns she had — pollution, the cost of living, the fragile environment around the company’s launchpad. But Ms. Hinojosa’s core complaint was that her native city didn’t feel like it belonged to her anymore, and that it felt as though public officials were changing the city to become a center for space tourism. It was a kind of psychological burden. “It’s exhausting,” she said. “We are constantly being bombarded by Elon Musk and SpaceX news down here.” There was the ever-present threat that “Elon might show up to charro days, or sombrero fest,” she said, referring to some of the local festivals. Most of all, she wished simply to stop having to think about him so much.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:41:58 UTC No. 16198882
>>16198881
>Bekah Hinojosa
this bitch needs to go away already
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 08:55:20 UTC No. 16198898
>Will any of it happen? It seems doubtful. SpaceX’s Starship has reached orbit. But regular safe transport to the Red Planet is a fabulously difficult proposition, the kind of project that could only be undertaken by sovereign governments. Once the light of consciousness does touch down there, what does it do? Mars may have water and other potential resources, but on top of its profound hostility to human life, the planet looks like the most charmless corner of the American Southwest, without the saving grace of being able to grab a Cherry Coke slushie from a nearby filling station.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:05:30 UTC No. 16198904
>>16198881
They're going to get gentrified out of town by the performance of one company which does not employ the majority of its citizens, which is a new-ish phenomenon that doesn't have a word yet. Google did it to several cities, and Amazon as well with HQ2.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:10:48 UTC No. 16198907
>>16198780
Throw these cunts out an airlock. After a decade of mocking SpaceX and laughing at them telling it will never work, they cry monopoly? Get fucked.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:12:35 UTC No. 16198909
>>16198881
>There was the ever-present threat that “Elon might show up to charro days, or sombrero fest,” she said, referring to some of the local festivals.
Oh no the horror please don't come and eat the tacos and wear the funny hat Mr Musk. Fuck off back to Mexico you beaner bitch.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:20:03 UTC No. 16198913
>>16198881
LMAO
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:28:27 UTC No. 16198917
So why does Peter Beck think transporter missions are shady and $6000 per kg is unfair? Bulk pricing is ~$2000/kg. Thats unfair and too cheap about transporter missions?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:44:23 UTC No. 16198926
>>16198917
because lowering your profit margin to compete with your competition is anticompetitive
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:46:19 UTC No. 16198928
>>16198917
Because Peter Beck sells rockets at 20000$/kg.
He's basically an impotently seething upmasslet
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:52:15 UTC No. 16198929
>>16198917
Business isn't fair
Transporter / bandwagon is taking away his customers
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:56:13 UTC No. 16198936
>>16198926
that is how competition works
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:57:12 UTC No. 16198937
>>16198917
He's just a malding little faggot, should have spent less time being a redditor and more time building rockets
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:59:29 UTC No. 16198939
>>16198926
That's not how it works. You can only bring in anti competition lawsuits if they are pricing below their cost to drive competition out and for the most part American companies get away with that anyway. Transporter is still making profit so how about the competitors compete instead of seething to the media and government?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:01:10 UTC No. 16198941
>>16198513
And Galactic Energy successfully launched their second Ceres-1S lifting four Tanqui IoT comsats to SSO. They may have two more Ceres launches planned for the imminent future with the first coming up as soon as tomorrow, but it's China so no one can really say for sure.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:02:45 UTC No. 16198943
>>16198926
In a free market environment, you're supposed to see companies lowering prices, offering better products to attract customers.
Thats not being shady at all, thats market driven economies.l
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:03:58 UTC No. 16198946
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:17:11 UTC No. 16198952
>>16198946
it's a neat video and all but i'm just not sure why china keeps pushing these all-solids startups. you can get them flying pretty easily but it's a total dead end as far as a path to a useful launcher.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:27:34 UTC No. 16198956
>>16198952
Same reason America does, to keep on top of military missile technology which loquids suck shit for. They have plenty of liquid fuel reusable things in the works anyway.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:29:44 UTC No. 16198957
>>16198952
>>16198956
America should scrap Artemis and partner with Thiokol to make a solid only lunar landing program. They can even burn solids to produce the oxygen for the crew like how the Soviets did on Mir
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:33:13 UTC No. 16198960
>>16198956
America doesnt have many solid booster rocket startup companies. In fact, there are none, atleast as far as functioning companies go.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:36:27 UTC No. 16198963
>>16198952
Chinese all solid designs are mostly a DF-26 or 31 ICBMs with an extra stage or two stuck on top instead of a warhead. It's an easy training wheels mode that lets a launch service company get practical experience without having to develop the entire rocket themselves. Once they've run a few launch campaigns they usually move on from solid fuel to designing their first liquid engine and shortly after that they're putting out powerpoints describing their upcoming Falcon 9 clone. Galactic Energy might have the first test flight of Palas-1 sometime later this year.
China also has a huge bottleneck in launch capacity right now and Chinese customers will take whatever they can get.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:40:41 UTC No. 16198967
>>16198666
Satan trips demand a sacrifice in space
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:52:26 UTC No. 16198975
>>16198960
wasn't there one making nozzles in the very least
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:09:44 UTC No. 16198987
>>16198668
what is the next step in the simulation?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:17:38 UTC No. 16198989
>>16198987
TND and system wide aryan expansion
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:45:43 UTC No. 16199000
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:46:36 UTC No. 16199002
Rocketlab should realise that it's a doggy dog world.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:55:54 UTC No. 16199008
>>16199002
>it's a doggy dog world.
what is the meaning of this phrase?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:57:33 UTC No. 16199009
>>16199008
Do you believe its a caty cat world instead?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 12:04:40 UTC No. 16199016
>>16198997
>being able to see a rocket launch from your wage cage
That's actually kinda kino.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 12:34:08 UTC No. 16199034
>>16199033
The only truly anti-competitive action with lasting consequences Musk ever did in space launch was to prevent Kistler from getting that pre-COTS NASA funding in 2004 or so.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 12:38:43 UTC No. 16199039
>>16199033
>>16199034
Rocketlab and Relativity couldn't exist were it not for SpaceX singlehandedly transforming the market and boosting demand for launchers.
Neutron and Terran-R wouldn't be viable if SpaceX didn't succeed with Starlink.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 12:42:15 UTC No. 16199044
>>16199040
>AHHHH, I'M DISROOOPTING
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 12:42:30 UTC No. 16199045
>>16199040
All journalists are low iq and their writings are worthless drivel without fail
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 12:47:47 UTC No. 16199049
>>16199040
>The first Starlink was 5 years ago
>/sfg/ is 6 years old
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:18:37 UTC No. 16199065
>>16198528
That's a muffin, you lunatic!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:20:59 UTC No. 16199070
>>16198670
I have bad news for you about Artemis
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:24:58 UTC No. 16199074
>>16198898
>Cherry Coke slushie on Mars
I'm sort of excited to see just how far we can get just by rearranging carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen with electricity. Is there a future where you have a cherry coke slushy from irradiated air and rocks powered by a solar panel? There's no physics reason why not
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:25:15 UTC No. 16199075
>>16198881
Someone should employ the services of a certain ULA snipar
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:25:45 UTC No. 16199076
>>16198528
I think there's definitely something there. No idea how the Martian lichen/crab that got photographed slipped through people's minds.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:26:16 UTC No. 16199077
>>16198881
by all means fuck off back to mexico, puta
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:30:56 UTC No. 16199081
>>16199008
Nitpickers like you are a diamond dozen
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:31:55 UTC No. 16199083
>>16199033
Can I see the injector diagrams for your engines?
Checkmate!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:32:35 UTC No. 16199085
>>16198881
>There was the ever-present threat that “Elon might show up to charro days, or sombrero fest,”
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:37:42 UTC No. 16199086
>>16199085
I wouldn't cry if 100 heads of state got the Kennedy treatment but I hope and pray Elon's security guys are good
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:41:02 UTC No. 16199089
>>16199049
I came here after Perseverance landed!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:43:51 UTC No. 16199092
>>16199085
why is he gagging on that big pipe cleaner? Humiliation ritual?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:45:54 UTC No. 16199094
>>16199085
Is this real?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 14:09:04 UTC No. 16199114
>>16199085
It's sickening
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 14:24:14 UTC No. 16199131
>>16199092
to sow fear and terror in the local population
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 14:59:17 UTC No. 16199164
>>16199131
el hombre basado
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 15:01:06 UTC No. 16199167
>Regarding the communication status with the Venus probe “Akatsuki”
>The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) launched the Venus probe "Akatsuki" in 2010, and after entering orbit around Venus in 2015, it has been in operation for about 14 years, achieving high scientific results. Akatsuki has completed regular operations based on the project completion review in 2018, and has been conducting observations in late-stage operations. After a long period of time, it became impossible to establish communication.
>Since then, various measures have been taken to restore the network, but communications have not been restored at this time. We are currently undergoing recovery operations to restore communications.
>Considering that the spacecraft has already exceeded its design life of four and a half years after its launch and has entered the late stage of operation, we are considering future measures. We will notify you as soon as JAXA's policy is decided.
https://www.isas.jaxa.jp/topics/003
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 15:03:18 UTC No. 16199169
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 15:46:19 UTC No. 16199214
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1795840
June 5th.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 15:54:09 UTC No. 16199220
They'll probably fix the missing tiles at the same time they'll install the fts
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 15:56:29 UTC No. 16199222
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:04:52 UTC No. 16199233
>>16199214
its happening
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:08:02 UTC No. 16199240
>>16199167
RIP
Akatsuki was a real one
And also our last functioning mission to Venus, which is currently getting fucked over by MSR stealing all the money for Veritas. Scientists are getting close to retirement age and will have seen no US missions to Venus since Magellan
https://arstechnica.com/science/201
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:19:14 UTC No. 16199260
Starship will launch on June 5th. It came to me in a dream.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:22:26 UTC No. 16199263
>>16199240
Our time will come, Venus chads
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:24:32 UTC No. 16199265
>>16198857
you will never be a star
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:34:06 UTC No. 16199271
>>16199240
I have high hopes for the roggidlab venus mission
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:39:04 UTC No. 16199276
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1795840
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:45:41 UTC No. 16199279
>>16199263
>stainless steel airship
Venus is so cool man
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:46:18 UTC No. 16199280
>>16199276
Thank you for your contribution. How’s the weather on mars this time of year?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:50:15 UTC No. 16199282
What are your thoughts on the rocket coomer posts
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 16:54:06 UTC No. 16199287
>>16199279
>Venus is so cool
false
>>16199263
what’s behind the handwave of cooling?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:01:42 UTC No. 16199294
>>16199282
Idiot. Can you literally shut the fuck up?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:03:35 UTC No. 16199296
>>16199240
>NASA Venus missions canceled for MSR
>Russian neoVenera program dead
>Hobbitlab's Venus mission indefinitely postponed
Alright, gentlemen, it's time for a 4ASS mission to Venus. What's the absolute cheapest way we can get there and still do useful science?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:08:04 UTC No. 16199299
>>16199263
I was going to point out that stainless steel really doesn't like sulfuric acid, but it turns out that almost all of that evaporates out of the air below about 10 km. This probably explains the 8 km flight ceiling.
>>16199296
>Hobbitlab's Venus mission indefinitely postponed
When did this happen?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:08:43 UTC No. 16199300
>>16199296
Depends what you define as useful science.
The cheapest option though is to not bother building to withstand venusian surface conditions, and instead go with an atmosphere sampling flyer of some kind. I like the idea of an orbiter paired with a solar powered dirigible.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:09:19 UTC No. 16199301
>>16199263
wasn't Rocket Lab proposing a Venus mission as a way to prove out Photon as a bus for long-term planetary missions?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:11:02 UTC No. 16199303
>>16199287
how long would it take for Venus to turn into a dry-ice ball if we shaded it from the sun?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:15:39 UTC No. 16199308
>>16199299
They're focusing on Neutron instead. They don't have the size to do both at once.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:23:37 UTC No. 16199317
really interesting takes from a trained astrophysicist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tw
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:27:25 UTC No. 16199323
>>16199317
kill yourself
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:28:33 UTC No. 16199325
>>16198538
2
me and my body pillow
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:28:57 UTC No. 16199326
>>16199323
who hurt you?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:34:45 UTC No. 16199336
>>16199326
You did, with your pop-science starring a tart video.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:38:18 UTC No. 16199342
>>16199336
Do you need a hug?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:38:28 UTC No. 16199344
>>16199326
>erm who hurt you
i'm going to rape your mouth shut
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:52:26 UTC No. 16199365
>Qatar Airways raises in-flight experience to new heights!
>We are proud to be the largest global airline and the first in the MENA region to collaborate with SpaceX Starlink
>This complimentary, ground-breaking service will enhance our passengers' onboard experience with boundless entertainment and information options.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:55:57 UTC No. 16199367
>>16199263
>Z>un>
What did they mean by this?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 17:58:40 UTC No. 16199371
>>16199303
about 300 years iirc
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:06:06 UTC No. 16199380
>>16198917
Much as I like Beck, he's saying that because he can't compete at those prices and won't be able to for a while if ever, not because it's actually true. SpaceX probably still makes a profit at those prices, although far lower than for normal missions especially once you factor in all the extra costs of integrating multiple payloads. It's not a loss, but it is very much priced this way to pull up the ladder and make it harder for potential competition to arise. As I've been saying for a while, they've pretty much stated it's designed to kill small launch on stage and it comes after they resisted rideshares for years on grounds of being too much extra work and cost for the little gain (half a dozen missions a year at thin margins don't exactly make them significant money).
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:14:28 UTC No. 16199392
>>16199380
Yeah it'll kill small launch, which will remove any funding pathway for other startups to develop medium/heavy launch
Fortunately for small launch, launcher diversity is a highly sought after commodity for the biggest customers
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:16:34 UTC No. 16199397
>>16199034
lobbying congress to ban the rd-180 although that would've happened anyway
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:21:35 UTC No. 16199403
>>16199296
land an ant farm on the surface because putting an ant farm somewhere new is automatically scientific
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:21:40 UTC No. 16199404
>>16199380
If others cant compete against F9 rideshares, they're not gonna survive Starship rideshares.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:27:01 UTC No. 16199409
>>16198917
hard for me to tell (and this may be me simping so take it with a grain of salt) but i think he may have been saying that nasa allowing rideshares on f9 launches for their missions is effectively a subsidy to spacex for smallsat launches and spacex wouldn't be able to undercut rocketlab so much if not for that. mind you, this is still a retarded position to hold but it would be a different kind of retarded than saying that charging $6000/kg in any and all cases is unfair.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:28:26 UTC No. 16199411
>>16199317
What does it say?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:29:54 UTC No. 16199413
>>16199411
Fermi paradox is solved if we jsut get rid of our colonial mindset and stop assuming that all alien races want to conquor and dominate to compensate for their insecurities like white Euopeans.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:30:28 UTC No. 16199414
>>16199380
it paves the way for rideshare on starship and even if it starts out small you have to do it to induce elasticity on the market (takes time to develop cheaper payloads) which means you will make more money later as a result
it also aligns with their mission
cheap mass to orbit is the biggest intermediate mission for spacex
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:41:45 UTC No. 16199426
>>16197678
All of those rockets are F9 clones, or at least very similar to F9. The possible exception is Kinetica-2, although it's a bit unclear; a future variant might be similar to F9.
The list forgot to mention CASIC's Kuaizhou-6.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:48:35 UTC No. 16199432
>>16198952
It's a quicker and cheaper way to prove yourself to investors and to start earning revenue, not least because you don't need to build an expensive liquid pad. Solid startups such as iSpace, Orienspace and Galactic Energy are also developing liquids.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 18:59:29 UTC No. 16199441
>>16198960
An American startup entrepreneur would probably rather gouge his eyes out than try to go through the ordeal of buying leftover Minuteman engines from the DoD, or to try to convince NG to sell from their SRB production line at marginal cost
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:01:11 UTC No. 16199444
>>16199357
>According to the WSJ
This is where I lost all interest
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:01:32 UTC No. 16199445
>>16199432
Yes it is quicker when your totally commercial company buys off the shelf SRM from the government.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:10:27 UTC No. 16199453
>>16199445
What makes a company not "commercial" because they buy off-the-shelf components from the government or SOEs? Are American space companies not commercial because they lease government launch pads or rent time on government test infrastructure?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:14:15 UTC No. 16199456
>>16199453
When they are staffed by people from China's state run launch providers and operate in accordance with the governments plans.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:18:49 UTC No. 16199462
>>16199456
So since SpaceX hires ex-NASA employees and takes DoD/NASA contracts, that means they aren't commercial? Even though they also sell to private customers on a market basis?
CASC used to be the only game in town in China when it came to orbital launch, so if you were a space start-up it would've been hard to find experienced engineers elsewhere.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:22:11 UTC No. 16199466
>Saturn V is shorter than the world's tallest tree
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:22:32 UTC No. 16199467
>>16199413
many such cases
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:25:18 UTC No. 16199470
>>16199414
I'm not saying it's pointless and again, they probably still make some money from it, but the main reason is clearly dominating the market. Little of what they do on F9 will apply to Starship rideshares (unless they actually end up doing a chomper opening and even then the sheer volume probably necessitates other measures) and if Starship actually reaches the cost targets those prices will come much further down so that the little elasticity that F9 provides (it's not that much cheaper to really induce much more demand, just cheap enough that using anything else would be stupid unless you need the orbit) is negligible.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:25:46 UTC No. 16199472
>>16199466
Nice greentext faggot why don’t you flesh out your point with sentences instead of a snappy quip.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:27:47 UTC No. 16199474
>>16199472
back to redd*t then faggot
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:31:40 UTC No. 16199476
>>16199470
maybe technically little, but operationally its very relevant i.e. working with a bunch of small customers and developing something where you can launch heterogeneous payloads, so there is a lot of tech transfer there too actually
the cheapness of F9 rideshare means new businesses are possible that would not have been before it and in the very least it means startups can test and iterate on cheap payloads before buying a whole launch for instance (and cheaper than buying a dedicated smallsat launcher like electron)
Starship will of course drop this even further, but F9 doing rideshares still speeds things up considerably
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:32:09 UTC No. 16199479
>>16199472
yeah man brevity ain't the soul of SHIT
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:34:06 UTC No. 16199480
>>16199462
SpaceX isn't staffed by ex NASA employees. Taking a contract from the government is not building rockets and operating them in accordance to your governments desires.
China's government has a level of direct involvment with its "commercial" launch providers that is not mirrored in the west.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:41:29 UTC No. 16199490
>>16199365
Very nice that it's complimentary, if this sets a trend then every plane will have free high speed wifi within 5 years
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:41:33 UTC No. 16199491
>>16199467
>Moral Consideration of Microbial Life
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:42:08 UTC No. 16199492
>>16199480
Didn't SpaceX hire former NASA associate administrators Gerstenmaier and Lueders, as well as former USAF general O’Shaughnessy?
>Taking a contract from the government is not building rockets and operating them in accordance to your governments desires.
Uh... that's exactly what it is? By fulfilling the contract, you're doing what the customer desires?
Wasn't Falcon 9 originally developed and launched specifically for NASA's needs, under the COTS/CRS contracts?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:44:00 UTC No. 16199493
>>16199480
>building rockets and operating them in accordance to your governments desires
that's exactly what launch companies do when they try to build rockets that can win government contracts and launch from government-run sites. each of the NSSL lanes is the pentagon issuing guidelines to companies for what sort of missions it wants rockets to be able to fulfill.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:47:51 UTC No. 16199498
>>16199492
>2 people in administrative positions vs your entire engineering and development staff
As opposed to your
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:53:07 UTC No. 16199507
>>16199493
>that can win government contracts
See you understand. Private companies offering bids for government contracts vs. "private" companies building rockets for government launches.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:55:12 UTC No. 16199509
>>16199492
>Didn't SpaceX hire former NASA associate administrators Gerstenmaier and Lueders, as well as former USAF general O’Shaughnessy?
3 people in administrative roles is not staffing your company with former government employees.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:55:27 UTC No. 16199511
Reminder that SLS i necesary
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 19:59:46 UTC No. 16199520
>>16199357
How about I bend you over
>>16199514
Shut up nigger
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:00:11 UTC No. 16199522
>>16199514
>steam
chatgpt isn't gonna make it
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:03:29 UTC No. 16199533
>>16199511
for what? The being gay competition?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:06:15 UTC No. 16199539
>>16199514
though you get rate limited pretty quickly
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:07:21 UTC No. 16199541
>>16199514
You should use it to make all your posts
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:12:21 UTC No. 16199550
>>16199541
how do you know I'm not doing that already?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:16:54 UTC No. 16199563
>>16199467
>Almost nothing but women
As always follows their presence, the progress inhibiting, social power fuck-fuck games will continue.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:18:43 UTC No. 16199569
>>16199514
At least the quality of SpaceX images on Twitter is higher now. It used to be so dogshit.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:27:09 UTC No. 16199583
>>16199569
but they abandoned Flickr
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:34:19 UTC No. 16199594
>>16199522
STEAMED HAMS, THAT'S WHAT I CALL HAMBURGERS
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:37:27 UTC No. 16199603
Are we at a special place in history now? Is AI really going to take over?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:38:11 UTC No. 16199604
>>16199541
I've been doing this for half a year now.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:43:05 UTC No. 16199616
>>16199539
I used to pay for it while I was in school cause I could just have gpt-4 solve all my screenshotted homework problems but after that I just don't use it nearly as much. The free 10 messages per 3 hours is more than enough for 99% of people.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:47:01 UTC No. 16199623
>>16199603
if youve used ai for trying to actually do any task beyond writing a shitty ballad or asking what dildo to buy you would already know the answer.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:50:07 UTC No. 16199629
>>16199603
i don't know what "take over" means. are people going to get even lazier because now any moron can get an LLM to solve complex math problems without doing even a modicum of thinking? sure. but that's just a continuation of a long-term trend. we're all lazy by the standards of 60 years ago because we use computers to solve stuff that could've been done with slide rules.
even if you could get an AI smart enough to do nobel-worthy research (and we're a long way off from that) it's still going to need money and time to get anything accomplished.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 20:55:58 UTC No. 16199649
>>16199629
>any moron can get an LLM to solve complex math problems without doing even a modicum of thinking
and that's a good thing(if true)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:02:10 UTC No. 16199661
>>16199603
Don't listen to Musk's AI takes.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:07:04 UTC No. 16199670
>>16199661
Dont listen to Musk at all. His companies are cool but hes retarded. If you say otherwise you believe in every date he puts out for next flight immediatly after the current one
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:08:05 UTC No. 16199672
>>16199661
I don't but it seems true. Do you know any field where humans will still stay competitive in the following decades?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:12:09 UTC No. 16199676
>>16198055
I don’t think that’s true, I’ve heard the fairing/folding wings were added to the cargo variants bc there’s no need for abort and because the fairing reduces aerodynamic loads on the launcher and increases performance (slightly). It’s probably required with shooting star though
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:13:08 UTC No. 16199678
>>16199670
Any trait of musk, if you took it away his companies would end up less successful than they've been.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:25:56 UTC No. 16199706
>>16199676
There wasn't any sign of a fairing back in 2007 when it was planning to launch on an Atlas V 431. Ten years later something that looks like SS shows up in a Sierra graphic that has Dream Chaser on top of an Atlas V 552 with a fairing. You might be able to launch without a fairing--NASA did a lot of research into launching something HL-20 adjacent on an unshrouded booster--but I bet you need a major redesign of SS which is probably why Sierra seems to be putting off all crew launch issues until the DC 200.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:32:24 UTC No. 16199720
>>16199676
How practical would Space-shuttle be as a school bus?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:33:01 UTC No. 16199721
>>16199467
>10 femoids and 1 dude
of course. dont these people have anything better to do?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:38:09 UTC No. 16199735
>>16199721
they're spending taxpayer money to advance gay race communism, what could be more satisfying than that?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:43:35 UTC No. 16199748
>>16199413
absolute state of NASA. The aliens just wan't to voyeur us
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:47:15 UTC No. 16199751
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:48:41 UTC No. 16199754
>>16199603
Prob for soft stuff, but not so much in rocket.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:49:40 UTC No. 16199755
>>16199240
DAVINCI is still on, and way bettwr because of the lander
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:50:08 UTC No. 16199756
>>16199303
All we need is a portal gun, just fire it once on Mars and once on Venus, then stand the fuck back.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:53:18 UTC No. 16199760
>>16199467
this is why China will win,
they do care about "Diversity, equity, and inclusion"
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 21:56:59 UTC No. 16199767
>>16199760
they do not*
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:18:06 UTC No. 16199796
>>16199794
The salt of your perpetual Starship seethe is delicious
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:30:37 UTC No. 16199810
>>16199796
Nice fucking green smoke (engine ingestion?) in the plume LOL
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:34:42 UTC No. 16199811
>>16199810
There isn't any.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:35:14 UTC No. 16199812
>>16199794
Trusted Snopes Fact-Checkers Have Verified This Post.
With whispy blue, and white-hued clouds jetting atop a black background, an image shared to Reddit on May 29, 2024, claimed to show SpaceX's fourth rocket launch attempt exploding, bordered by a tweet by spacex admitting that they will be filing for bankruptcy. At the time of this writing, the post had received more than 26,000 upvotes.
Experts and anonymous whistleblowers agree that this is what will most likely happen when this flight occurs, therefore we've rated this claim as "True", but let's first describe exactly why Elon Musk should go to prison.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:37:45 UTC No. 16199815
EMERGENCY STAGE
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:45:20 UTC No. 16199819
so did anyone ever find out when flight 4's gonna be?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:45:40 UTC No. 16199820
>>16199819
2 weeks?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:46:17 UTC No. 16199821
someone staging?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:47:26 UTC No. 16199825
>>16199821
i'm trying but it's giving me a 5-minute timer before making a thread. how long has this been here?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:47:50 UTC No. 16199826
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 22:48:45 UTC No. 16199829
>>16199825
hasn't happened to me before, never tried to make two threads in quick succession though
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 23:06:28 UTC No. 16199859
>>16199583
I miss the CC0 Flickr photos, I think with no clear copyright markings they're not considered free to use for stuff like Wikipedia anymore since the move to Twitter.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 23:26:17 UTC No. 16199894
>>16199720
space shuttle is the opposite of practical in all contexts
Anonymous at Thu, 30 May 2024 01:04:32 UTC No. 16200037
>>16199760
>>16199767
>Officially recognized ethnic groups receive or have received certain benefits over Han Chinese under the regional ethnic autonomy system, including affirmative action, exemptions from the one-child policy, designated seats in political organs and government support to preserve their culture. Ethnic minority autonomous areas receive additional state subsidies. Languages of officially recognized minorities are used in official government documents
Huaxiabros, I don't feel so good