🗑️ 🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:15:27 UTC No. 16324323
Buzz Aldrin edition
previous >>16322564
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:17:23 UTC No. 16324329
>>16324323
Ugh okay not that I necessarily give a shit but these editions have been… gay and uninspiring
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:18:32 UTC No. 16324330
Elon should increase his personal security detail if he already hasn't. EDS is only going to get worse from here on and state actors already see Starlink as a threat in addition to the SF/NRO missions he is launching so it is a matter of national security. Unfortunately the SS is incompetent so he's on his own regarding this.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:20:22 UTC No. 16324333
>>16324330
They are already saying Musk is also a threat to democracy. It's only a matter of time until another one is incited to take a shot.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:20:23 UTC No. 16324334
>>16324330
I’m not even a 1 but if someone were to assassinate Trump I might jack ruby their ass out of retaliation for free kek
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:20:55 UTC No. 16324335
>>16324323
>Buzz Aldrin
>uninspiring
you should read his autobiography sometime.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:21:00 UTC No. 16324336
kek you did it again
I'm ready to see some more seething
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:21:34 UTC No. 16324339
>>16324334
*Musk, I meant
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:22:04 UTC No. 16324340
>>16324323
Where's the fram2 edition
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:22:47 UTC No. 16324342
>>16324333
If democracy is so fantastic, strong and wonderful then why does it cower in fear before a guy with a social media website?
If democracy were a legitimately powerful ideology then it would know no fear
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:23:28 UTC No. 16324344
>>16324340
edition seether here: that’s even worse than Donald
fram2 is dumb
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:23:56 UTC No. 16324345
>>16324342
democracy is threatened when people I dislike are allowed to post opinions I disagree with and vote for someone else than my preferred candidate
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:26:35 UTC No. 16324347
>>16324345
Is it more wise to say democracy is gay? Or that democracy is based, it just needs checks and balances and we just happen to have bad apples trying to meddle with it as is happening now?
I can see arguments for both sides and the word “democracy” just makes me roll my eyes these days
>>16324335
I have! Buzz is cool. Albeit a bit quirky
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:27:24 UTC No. 16324348
>>16324323
buzz aldrin is a freemason
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:27:56 UTC No. 16324349
>>16324341
It failed due to cost, but supersonic jets are coming back
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:29:21 UTC No. 16324351
>>16324342
Democracy is good (or least bad) and worthwhile to defend but silencing the opposition is not the way to do it.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:30:57 UTC No. 16324355
I hope the starliner decision breaks early next week. I need happenings
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:33:09 UTC No. 16324357
>>16324349
Half the reason supersonic jets failed was because of noise (or more specifically the noise people thought they would make), so they couldn't fly at Mach over the US, only over the ocean.
The new jets are trying to fix that, plus there's currently nobody shilling against it to the normiefags.
Also the Pacific route was just a little too long for Concorde's fuel capacity, so that's why it was mostly a US<->EU thing.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:33:50 UTC No. 16324358
>>16324357
but P2P will work, the anon in the last thread said so
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:35:31 UTC No. 16324361
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:35:49 UTC No. 16324363
>>16324355
Nothing ever happens
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:37:01 UTC No. 16324365
>>16324347
Democracy is based if only men can vote.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:40:15 UTC No. 16324367
Lora Kolodny needs to write an article quoting CSS, spaceguy5 and thunderf00t
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:43:35 UTC No. 16324371
Erryday astronaut BO bezos tour should come out on patreon (and to chinese bootleg) soon
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:44:59 UTC No. 16324373
>>16324371
I’m nervous I don’t want bezos to look based. I hope he fumbles and shows how there really isn’t anything going on at BO
>inb4 don’t you want competition goy?
Yes but not from BO they are irredeemable
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:47:08 UTC No. 16324375
>>16324367
I hope spaceguy5 gets "mind your language" soon.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:47:43 UTC No. 16324377
>>16324330
>the space suit is the habitat
Maybe this is the solution.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:48:55 UTC No. 16324378
>>16324375
are you referring to the homer hickam event? The intern who said suck my dick or whatever?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:50:56 UTC No. 16324379
>Nelson: The contractual date is as advertised, September of 2026. And that's going to depend on SpaceX. And thus far, SpaceX has hit all of its milestones. You know the details of this stuff better than I do, but I'm the one that's responsible. And so, I constantly go around and check through all these people. And that last (Starship) test, which was the fourth try, was a phenomenal success.
>Nelson: If SpaceX is successful on the lander, and at this point, as I just said, we have every reason to believe that it is on track, then I don't see a changing of the mission of Artemis III.
Why does /sfg/ pretend this guy hates spacex?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:51:40 UTC No. 16324381
>>16324333
Everyone who screeches about "threats to our democracy" are themselves the biggest immediate problem.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:52:31 UTC No. 16324382
>>16324379
Hey I was hyping him up last thread. I think he’s okay
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:53:20 UTC No. 16324383
>>16324330
Personal security only good for stopping plebs with handguns and rifles. If a glow faction wants you dead it's over.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:57:13 UTC No. 16324387
>>16324383
You say that but the last half decade has only convinced me that every spook entity on Earth that used to be scary in the 80s (FBI, CIA, secret service, KGB, russian military, British special services, Norks) is now incompetent. Now it’s just appalachian lone wolves, crazy troons, japs who boondoggle their own guns, etc. Just get some good security who aren’t retarded and who aren’t roasties
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:58:13 UTC No. 16324390
>>16324378
I can't recall her name but if you are talking about the girl who lost her NASA intern offer because she swore on twitter, then yes. Can't fathom that was enough to get you cancelled but what spaceguy5 is saying is fine.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 00:58:26 UTC No. 16324391
>>16324381
I'm convinced future psychologists will study this phenomenon along with TEDS. I unironically blame Disney for doing that landmark study 15 years ago that showed how easy it was to manipulate people into being ideologically driven consumers. This has certainly been known for far longer by sociopaths but it showed corporations they could make money by exploiting it.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:00:05 UTC No. 16324395
>>16324390
Yup exactly what I was referring to and kek yes I hope the hammer comes down on spacefag5. I’m surprised it hasn’t already, but it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he actually has a small inconsequential job so no one really gives a shit and all his “inside info” is just water cooler rumors
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:03:13 UTC No. 16324397
>>16324391
as a sociopath myself, it’s very frustrating to see corpos and journos and politicians finally figuring out the obvious. I think they always knew—we’ve just finally gotten to the point where morals have been publicly thrown out the window and no one has shame to openly manipulate
(remember for example back in the 50s everyone was manipulating women and cheating on their wives but you’d still maintain a public gentlemen decorum. Journalists actually cared about the truth. US companies cared about their product, their image, and the consumer)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:10:42 UTC No. 16324408
>>16324387
It's all mossad now.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:12:20 UTC No. 16324411
>>16324387
Just hire this guy
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:22:45 UTC No. 16324415
Sneed trek
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:42:07 UTC No. 16324427
>>16324424
I think about this image often, it’s so symbolic of USA’s global power. It’s equivalent to seeing Neil on the surface of the Moon
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:43:37 UTC No. 16324428
>>16324424
silence pizza hut soyuz, burger king starship is talking
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:47:33 UTC No. 16324433
>>16324377
isn’t that how it already is? I’m confused as to what you’re implying here
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:47:34 UTC No. 16324434
>Jomboy mentioned Shartliner being stuck
It's fucking over. Even the normies are waking up.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:52:27 UTC No. 16324437
>>16324434
We should put jomboy in a starliner for dragging the astros. Yankees are GAY
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:55:31 UTC No. 16324443
>>16324439
Shame she went out like she did. Challenger was a cool orbiter
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 01:56:14 UTC No. 16324444
>>16324427
>le clasping hands woman
>the obvious whooooooooooooooo from the driver
>the autism guy staring at his precisely stacked wood blocks
It's like a classical painting
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:00:35 UTC No. 16324446
>>16324444
hahah
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:19:33 UTC No. 16324466
I don’t see it on spaceflightnow’s launch calendar, but SSLV is slated to launch on FRI 16 August. Interesting livery.
Third dev flight, payload is a small earth observation satellite (EOS-08). Feel like I haven’t seen much activity from India/ISRO recently
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:27:00 UTC No. 16324470
>>16324444
>the autism guy staring at his precisely stacked wood blocks
topkek, that one got me. and you've got quads too
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:27:57 UTC No. 16324471
>>16324466
>mfw india's deluge system for launch pad cooling
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:32:14 UTC No. 16324473
why not use Hydrinos for space power?
https://brilliantlightpower.com
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:36:12 UTC No. 16324477
>>16324473
>bob_behnken_reaction.jpg
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:39:59 UTC No. 16324481
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/18
>I'm definitely *not* an engineer, so it is confusing to me why NASA, Boeing, and Aerojet are still struggling with the extrusion of Teflon seals in RCS thrusters after more than 20 years of recognition and analysis.
https://x.com/theJordanNoone/status
>The vehicle was designed for the wrong duty cycle resulting in incorrect thermal analysis. It’s fairly unprecedented to have such a critical component on a already crewed flight vehicle, that has completely incorrect analysis, resulting in significant thermal design violations. The temperature bounds for these seals is very known. What is unknown is how much those bounds can be violated further if at all, on a vehicle in orbit where the current state and degradation can’t be inspected, with significant temperature violations prior in the mission, while still guaranteeing sufficient performance/reliability to carry crew.
>Clearly a breakdown between Boeing in-house and external engineering teams where the thrusters were provided the wrong design criteria. The thrusters, and their troublesome valve seals, were tested and designed "correctly", but for the wrong conditions. Most likely traces back to the reported breakdown in communication between Boeing and their component vendors. Boeing didn't want to pay vendors for design changes. Curious if the root is someone at Boeing accidentally not relaying vehicle updates to vendors, or if it was a conscious decision to avoid paying for change requests.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:44:59 UTC No. 16324485
>>16324481
I was just reading through this thread a few minutes ago. Seriously how the hell did it get through TWO FLIGHTS without Boeing, or for that matter NASA, refusing to put humans on board without critical changes??
I think the fact that that they can’t inspect the degradation at this point means they will not be returning on this craft. I simply do not see a scenario where NASA allows it with humans in the mix. This isn’t a case where you just say
>should be good enough
Because you can’t do a simulation on the ground, according to people in this thread
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:50:09 UTC No. 16324488
>>16324485
It actually gets worse. The "breakdown in communication" bit sent me down a rabbit hole. I actually think this might not be completely Boeing's fault, or at least not entirely because of factors internal to Boeing. If you dig back you'll find a lot of drama involving the Starliner program and valve contractor drama, including this gem:
https://payloadspace.com/nasa-stuck
> In 2011, Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne—now known as Aerojet Rocketdyne, a division of L3 Harris—hired ValveTech to build valves for the Starliner’s propulsion system. After disputes over design between the two firms, Aerojet ended the relationship in 2017; ValveTech sued the company for violating NDAs and misusing its trade secrets to design new valves.
>After years of motions, depositions, and a trial, a jury found in November that Aerojet had violated NDAs with ValveTech, but hadn’t misappropriated any trade secrets. ValveTech was awarded $850,000 in damages, but it sought further restrictions on Aerojet and court fees. On May 6, a US District Court judge denied those motions and closed the case.
Old Rocketdyne (who went through two big org chart shifts when they bought Aerojet and were then bought by L3Harris) snagged a valve subcontractor for the Starliner project, and then later broke up with them under conditions so bad they ended up in court. The engineering teams are changing frequently and communication is sometimes poor because you're not sure if your partners are allowed to see certain IP or because your boss is worried about the upcoming court case against the people you're supposed to be collaborating with. Hardware ends up not meeting operating specs and everyone is arguing in public over why the valves are corroding shut.
The moral of the story is that corporate mergers are bad and SpaceX had a point when they decided to do everything they could in-house
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:52:55 UTC No. 16324493
>>16324485
apparently they knew about the incorrect tolerance design issue on both previous flights. Insane that it made it to launch day with a crew. This is arguably challenger/columbia level incompetence already, even without loss of life. They launched with a known problem that jeopardizes human life. This would be like that Dragon explosion, but SX just didn’t do anything to reconcile it and never told NASA
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:56:12 UTC No. 16324496
>>16324488
Yeah I don’t think NASA is going to be eager to work with boeing on anything going forward. This is a relationship killer. This is probably going to have an affect on Space Launch System - I think it’s that serious.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 02:58:57 UTC No. 16324498
Cease the boeing discussion, this your only warning.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:02:18 UTC No. 16324502
>>16324488
>Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne—now known as Aerojet Rocketdyne, a division of L3 Harris
We need to rip these companies to shreds. They cant just keep merging and getting shittier. I vote we preform open heart surgery to remove the cancer that is mcdonnell douglas from boeing. employee by employee, shareholder by shareholder.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:02:39 UTC No. 16324503
>>16324498
Can’t stop it now, it’s going to enter the news cycle again next week when NASA announces an imminent Crew 9 rescue. They’re doing another teleconference tomorrow. Should have more “good news” to share with the world!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:04:27 UTC No. 16324504
>>16324502
McDonnell Douglas basically became boeing-ULA which is why ULA can get shit done but Boeing sucks ass, they’re almost completely independent of eachother as all the talent got absorbed into ULA
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:15:06 UTC No. 16324518
>>16324329
It's a little embarrassing to watch you sperg out while pretending not to
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:15:19 UTC No. 16324519
>>16324511
Your “landing,” sir
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:16:43 UTC No. 16324521
can someone give me a rundown on this boeing starliner shit? 2 astronauts are stuck on the iss because the starliner cant undock, manually due to risk of astronaut life, automatically because it requires an update that could permanently brick the dock?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:16:56 UTC No. 16324523
>>16324519
>spacex is a failure because starship hasnt landed back at starbase yet
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:17:56 UTC No. 16324525
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:18:42 UTC No. 16324526
>>16324523
I’m just taken a jab at them but also apples and oranges
Also I’m trying to find something for scale but holy shit viper looks way bigger than I thought. I hope intuitive machines has success with IM-2, and viper
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:21:25 UTC No. 16324529
>>16324521
Almost. It's currently "bricking" the dock because its software isn't capable of autonomous undocking, and will need to be updated to unbrick the dock.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:24:03 UTC No. 16324532
>>16324519
Americans will smile and call this a success but point and call the USSR’s Mars 3 lander a complete failure
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:25:52 UTC No. 16324533
>>16324529
nta I’ve heard it said the software update itself is what could brick the docking port. Obviously what you said makes more sense, I just observe people saying the opposite
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:38:08 UTC No. 16324541
Could they have one of the people on the ISS manually undock from inside starliner then jump back to the ISS through the airlock. (in a suit of course.)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:46:35 UTC No. 16324549
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:47:26 UTC No. 16324550
>>16324541
starliner is a coffin that locks you in until a team on the ground with the proprietary key unlocks the door
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:48:09 UTC No. 16324553
>>16324533
The only way the dock could be permanently bricked, per NSF forum thread, is to unilaterally eject Starliner from the station side, which will damage the dock in the process and require a replacement.
Software update on Starliner should not be capable of bricking the dock under normal circumstances.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:51:12 UTC No. 16324556
>>16324335
Does Buzz still have a negative opinion of Musk or did they kiss and make up?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:51:59 UTC No. 16324560
>>16324553
>require a replacement
Wonder how long Starliner needs to stay stuck for this to be cheaper than keeping it docked and delaying missions.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 03:52:58 UTC No. 16324563
>>16324358
Wasn't most of that discussion over the economic viability and level of demand rather than if it was technically possible?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 04:01:20 UTC No. 16324571
>>16324532
Mars 3 wasn't even able to return a single coherent photo from the surface, but nonetheless the English Wikipedia calls it a "partial success"
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 04:07:24 UTC No. 16324579
>>16324560
The International Docking Adapters only cost about $23M to build, but they were built by Boeing. That might be a problem.
And it's not economically viable, ever. You'd need to plug it into one of the berthing ports that Cygnus and Dream Chaser dock to.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 04:17:23 UTC No. 16324587
>>16324583
Does posting this give you an erection or something? Is that why you keep doing it?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 04:41:58 UTC No. 16324605
im a brainlet but astrophysics seems more complicated to me than quantum mechanics. im not talking about newtonian or special relativity, im talking about general relativity and stuff that goes beyond. shit doesnt click for me. any advice how i can become less stupid?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:08:32 UTC No. 16324643
>>16324348
Weren't those fraternal order memberships popular back then among guys like that. Like Cernan and Grissom were Moose apparently.
>>16324333
The media coverage of him is hitting incredible levels of hostility
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:14:46 UTC No. 16324645
>>16324595
>wenhop
newfag begone
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:17:14 UTC No. 16324647
>>16324323
OP keeps being based
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:17:19 UTC No. 16324648
>>16324488
https://www.reuters.com/business/ae
>"Testing to determine root cause of the valve issue is complete," Boeing said in its statement, and the work did not find the problems described by Aerojet.
>NASA shares that view, Steve Stich, who oversees the Boeing and SpaceX crew programs for the space agency, told Reuters.
May 2022
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:19:05 UTC No. 16324650
>>16324648
Steve Stich stinks.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:24:50 UTC No. 16324657
>>16324643
>he must be guilty of.... something
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:31:10 UTC No. 16324667
>>16324645
answer me now
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:31:36 UTC No. 16324668
>>16324647
pls anon lets throw a tantrum and split the thread because I personally don't like the OP that you only look at for 3 seconds
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:33:13 UTC No. 16324670
>>16324365
> if only white men who own property and have families of their own can vote.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 05:33:37 UTC No. 16324672
>>16324595
according to elon 3 or so weeks
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 06:11:42 UTC No. 16324705
>>16324587
It's funny
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 06:17:09 UTC No. 16324714
>>16324511
>That snakepit of wiring
MAKE IT STOP
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 06:27:45 UTC No. 16324726
>>16324714
wait for v3
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 06:57:07 UTC No. 16324759
>>16324323
another schizo edition
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 06:59:03 UTC No. 16324762
>>16324323
Based
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 07:20:35 UTC No. 16324777
>>16324481
>Curious if the root is someone at Boeing accidentally not relaying vehicle updates to vendors, or if it was a conscious decision to avoid paying for change requests.
Under ISO, approved ECOs go into an automated central repository that everyone in internal Engineering, Production, Supply Line and external vendors have access. If there was an official spec or ECO, everyone would know.
So, Boeing didn't catch the design flaw, deliberately didn't process the ECO correctly, or the vendor deliberately didn't design to spec. There's no opportunity for an "oops" accident.
Sort of the point of ISO.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 07:25:32 UTC No. 16324781
>>16324643
>Weren't those fraternal order memberships popular back then among guys like that. Like Cernan and Grissom were Moose apparently.
Yes. Wally Schirra, Deke Slayton, Walt Williams, and Paul Haney were all members of the Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles. Haney failed to live up to an expectation during a mission so he had to buy everyone a drink.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 07:33:12 UTC No. 16324787
>>16324379
Nelson is practically THE guy who pushed SLS through after Shelby
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 07:40:42 UTC No. 16324792
>>16324672
Was that before or after Texas decided he was "discharging industrial wastewater without approval"
The governor is probably working on a way to fire that entire department right now
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 07:42:44 UTC No. 16324794
>>16324511
>intuitive machines landed on the moon
No, Intuitive crashed on the Moon. There's a difference.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 08:11:51 UTC No. 16324819
>>16324792
Fake news, the matter is closed
https://www2.tceq.texas.gov/oce/wac
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 08:54:02 UTC No. 16324863
>>16324488
You also had communication problems between bleing and lockheed martin I think for the software lr something
Two different teams not talking to eachother and no full k tegration testing which led the first uncrewed demo flight to fail
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 08:59:00 UTC No. 16324871
>>16324493
This makes 100% insane to use starliner to to bring the astronauts back
Basically anything could happen now if those seals are being used outside their specified ranges, you might have some catastrophic failure for a reason or another
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 09:05:33 UTC No. 16324879
>>16324496
Yes, and how long has NASA and Boeing known about this now?
Using materials which ghey know have already failed/had problems on previous flights and they know that these are basically faulty parts (due to being used outside their tested ranges so they will have unknown behaviour)
This is like making racecar wheels out of some soft wood and you test that it works between 0-60 miles with low acceleration and then you bust fucking start racing
You have no idea how long they are going to last or kf they are going to last and what is going to fuck them up
The cobtinjed wear and tear? Acceleration that is a bit too much? Speed that is a bit too much? Who the fuck knows, you had some crashes previously due to the wheels already getting damahed previously due to driving on concrete k stead of softer asphalt, just use them anyway yolo
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 09:13:51 UTC No. 16324890
>>16324879
anon these are slow threads you can take the time to correct your typos or type slower
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 09:21:15 UTC No. 16324905
>>16324890
I was phoneposting
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:07:42 UTC No. 16324948
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18236
the article link for convenience
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:26:41 UTC No. 16324952
>>16324787
Yeah I’ve been thinking of this after speaking highly of him recently. Kind of hard to look past. Although I will say there’s a nonzero chance he may be involved in killing it soon so he might have a redemption arc
Bolden is now saying
>SLS isn’t the future, it’s commercial rockets
which is easy to say now that he doesn’t have a dog in the fight now that he’s out of politics and can speak openly. I think Nelson will be a little more hands on and offer solutions, be it commercial fixes like Centaur V to replace EUS that needs cancelling, or maybe even calling for the complete transition away from SLS altogether if he remains administrator (or remains as a politician or some sort of advisor if he isn’t administrator next year) and Artemis starts falling behind because of sls bottlenecking
To be seen how he will approach it in the coming months/years; but he hasn’t been afraid to foster new solutions from commercial partners which is a good track record so far
He’s dr frankenstein and he can kill his shuttle frankenstein monster rocket lol
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:29:29 UTC No. 16324955
>>16324952
after New Glenn launches successfully (hopefully soon) then cancelling SLS will become easier
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:30:32 UTC No. 16324956
>>16324379
SpaceX is the only thing not utterly embarrassing about spaceflight at the moment. But they still pour their government budget money into failed endeavors like SLS and Starliner. Nelson wins either way, praising SpaceX while still allowing Boeing and the other companies fat contracts with their cost-plus cancer.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:32:30 UTC No. 16324960
>>16324955
It would sting but it wouldn’t be the worst option. BO offered New Glenn for only $20 mil to launch escapPADE.
Even if they wanted $100-150 mil to do Orion/ESM that’s still a steal.
And as much as NASA loves SpaceX I simply don’t see Orion-FH or Orion-Starship happening; can’t put my finger on it but those just seem unrealistic.
I’ll trade NASA new glenn launches if it means we can see SLS bite the dust for good.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:36:33 UTC No. 16324963
>>16324905
Stupid dumb phoneposting scum
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:36:49 UTC No. 16324965
>>16324657
>>he must be guilty of.... something
Lotta that going around the last few years it seems
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:37:11 UTC No. 16324968
Space Force getting casually getting standardized refueling ports.
https://spacenews.com/orbit-fab-rev
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:42:30 UTC No. 16324974
>>16324960
You could see Orion being flown with all three of those and later Orion being replaced by a commercial option
or I should say, a moon capsule launched and then made by commercial companies and then used by NASA is probably pretty much guaranteed to happen sooner or later, just a question of when and how many times does SLS fly
right now SLS only has 4 more planned flights, you could cancel the programme after that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:42:32 UTC No. 16324975
we are so back.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:43:45 UTC No. 16324977
>>16324948
>mfw EDSfags now have to go against the word of bill nelson in order to keep coping.
with the amount of arguments from authority those faggots make this'll be a fun thing to throw back at them.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:48:12 UTC No. 16324978
>>16324977
They'll just say he's being nice to maintain a working relationship.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:48:16 UTC No. 16324979
>>16324952
bill nelson has proven himself to be pretty adaptable, he may have been a shill and one of the primary actors pushing it through, but that was back when there was no commercial option ready to rape it in the ass.
i think he's perfectly willing to completely drop SLS in favour of spacex as soon as it becomes politically viable to do so.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:50:45 UTC No. 16324981
>>16324975
why does the captcah go down once every day now?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:51:01 UTC No. 16324982
>>16324974
This is an aside but I find it retarded that Orion has been pitched as “reusable” yet not a single official flight is currently slated to reuse a capsule. Very official launch gets a new Orion.
It’s not even a fucking time crunch thing, THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT TIME TO REFURB THESE CAPSULES BETWEEN COBWEB SLS FLIGHTS EVERY FEW YEARS UGH
Nuke the whole thing and just sabotage chinese rockets to delay China/Russia ILRS lunar landings
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:53:50 UTC No. 16324987
>>16324981
gookmoot is lazy and also he’s allowing these disgusting more-than-mild NSFW ads on blue boards for money now it’s annoying
>>16324979
Yeah good point. It’s a shame NASA is currently in a position where they’re desperately trying to prevent delays to Artemis II and, especially, ArtIII. If there was more breathing room the decision to cancel SLS would probably be a little easier
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:54:32 UTC No. 16324988
>>16324981
4ch is dying (I hope)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 13:59:38 UTC No. 16324997
>>16324342
>why does it cower in fear
You can tell they're afraid because of the laughter.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:02:49 UTC No. 16325001
>>16324556
>I have considered whether a landing on Mars could be done by the private sector. It conflicts with my very strong idea, concept, conviction, that the first human beings to land on Mars should not come back to Earth. They should be the beginning of a build-up of a colony / settlement, I call it a "permanence." A settlement you can visit once or twice, come back, and then decide you want to settle. Same with a colony. But you want it to be permanent from the get-go, from the very first.
Seems like they're aligned but Buzz doesn't know it
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:14:57 UTC No. 16325014
>>16324971
Unfortunate, because that's the only real use case for muh spaceplane. Small vehicle for dedicated crew transport
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:19:15 UTC No. 16325016
>>16325014
Orion’s original CEV design (that ultimately became the Orion capsule) was logically this weird kind-of-spaceplane blunt lifting body thing. They claimed it was lunar capable I believe
Boeing also claims Starliner is lunar capable with a beefed up heat shield but yeah no thanks, fuck that.
LM should be given a contract to just do the original Orion but make it fixed cost and tell them if they can’t get it operational within, say, 5 years then the contract is void and any money spent on it must come out of their pocket
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:19:29 UTC No. 16325017
>>16324777
When your propulsion subcontractor goes through two major mergers and their valve sub-subcontractor leaves the team in a messy divorce you're not going to have a crew that's able to communicate well between its component groups.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:22:40 UTC No. 16325019
>>16325017
Obv NASA didn’t dictate these mergers and acquisitions (that would be Bill Clinton if you want to get into the nitty gritty details) but the irony of NASA wanting to spread everything super thin for the sake of jobs in districts while it’s so much obviously safer to keep it all in-house a la SpaceX should be noted
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:30:30 UTC No. 16325033
>>16325019
How did bill clinton dictate those mergers and acquisitions?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:33:23 UTC No. 16325040
>>16325017
ISO is based on Process, not people. A change in personal or vendors is not supposed to change the product.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:34:18 UTC No. 16325041
>>16325033
I have no clue I’ve just historically seen people on /sfg/ mention his “merge or die” policy towards these aerospace companies in the 90s and I hate liberals so I take their comments as facts
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:35:49 UTC No. 16325045
>>16325040
nta
Kind of gets messy once you throw trade secrets, ITAR, restricted information, boomers who die and/or retire and/or love their job so they refuse to train the generation under them, etc. into the mix
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:36:12 UTC No. 16325046
>>16325016
It was their first entry in the pre-Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle program. It's an interesting design with way too few actual pictures of it
>>16325033
In the 1990s everyone was spooked by the Cold War ending and terrified that it meant defense budgets would contract so badly that it would cause a mass extinction event in the military industrial complex. Mergers meant that companies could lay off a lot of dead weight while at the same time giving the government a lot less completion in where it could dump its spending. A lot of these big mergers (like the one between Boeing-McDonnell Douglas) needed to be green-lit by Washington before they went forward.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:37:11 UTC No. 16325050
>>16325016
> Starliner with a beefed up heat shield
Like the "beefed up" heat shield on Orion, which charred off, that will have its first flight after redesign with a crew aboard.
Seems familiar.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:38:18 UTC No. 16325053
>>16325040
And if the teams aren't communicating to the point where basic design details are getting lost none of that is going to matter
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:39:13 UTC No. 16325055
>>16325050
Oldspace is incompetent what’s new kek.
At least I would trust LockMart, even with Orion’s heat shield problem. At the very least I would choose Orion way before I’d ever so much as get within 100 feet of an active Starliner capsule
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:40:18 UTC No. 16325057
>>16325046
This beast also came with an orbital habitat module. It’s so weird it’s kinda cool actually
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:43:26 UTC No. 16325063
>>16324952
> Thinking that if Nelson was improbably to come to his senses, the Secret Masters of the Democratic Party wouldn't just murder him in his sleep.
And replace him with an historic first black woman administrator.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:44:55 UTC No. 16325066
>>16325057
http://www.astronautix.com/c/cevloc
>Lockheed's preferred CEV design consisted of three modules - a service module, crew module, and mission module. The favored crew module on which the most design work was dedicated was a lifting-reentry vehicle. However in the final design a steep-sloped ballistic capsule crew module was included at NASA's insistence.
>For missions to lunar orbit the lifting-body crew module would dock in orbit with the other two modules to create a 21.3 m long combined vehicle with a total mass of 39 metric tons.
>Although winged, the crew module would use parachutes or airbags for landing.
>Naturally, Lockheed found that the ideal launch vehicle would be a derivative of its Atlas V ELV. They proposed an Atlas V Phase 2 booster using three parallel 5-m-diameter wide-body Common Core Boosters with cross-feed between the stages.
Probably killed because a design with an EELV preference would have meant there was less need for using Ares launchers.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:46:27 UTC No. 16325072
>>16325066
Yup they were floating around the idea of using Atlas V heavy (three cores, like Delta IV heavy) or two launches of an Atlas V. Shame it never happened!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:49:52 UTC No. 16325082
>>16325016
Why in God's name does oldspace love spaceplanes so much? Am I missing something?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:49:59 UTC No. 16325083
>>16325053
ISO (PBUH) puts everything down on paper -- or in this case your server. If people are doing their job, the needed final communication is there.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:50:52 UTC No. 16325085
>>16325082
Musk loves them too. e.g. Starship
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:51:58 UTC No. 16325090
>>16325085
g8 b8 m8
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:52:58 UTC No. 16325092
>>16324978
He probably is, but it's not like he can say anything since sls doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get anywhere.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:53:42 UTC No. 16325094
>>16325085
Starship lands propulsively, the flaps are just for aerodynamic control during reentry. It only looks vaguely like a space plane but it isn't one
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:56:16 UTC No. 16325096
>>16325094
the reentry profile is still in flux as SpaceX make tweaks to the landing operations. It could possibly have enough sustained hypersonic lift to qualify.
It’s schrodinger's spaceplane for now until they iron out the details :)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 14:57:54 UTC No. 16325101
>>16325083
The people aren't doing their job because the teams are constantly shuffling and the parts that aren't shuffling aren't communicating basic information because they're suing each other. There's no central data management system that can overcome this level of purely human dysfunction.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:03:48 UTC No. 16325112
>>16325096
>the reentry profile is still in flux
No it isn't
>SpaceX make tweaks to the landing operations
They aren't
>It could possibly have enough sustained hypersonic lift to qualify.
No it couldn't
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:05:54 UTC No. 16325115
>year of our lord 2024
>they are still getting baited by the "starship is a spaceplane" post
ISHYGDDT
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:08:51 UTC No. 16325119
>>16325112
they’re constantly changing the flap designs, the landing burn, and the engines, and they’ve only conducted one simulated landing burn of the upper stage from space and have many more to go as they train their flight computer in the specifics but go off I guess, queen. Tell everyone they have it all figured out.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:09:53 UTC No. 16325121
https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/18236737
>China responds to press questions on the Long March 6A debris
>CNN notes: According to the space monitoring agency and the U.S. Space Command, the Chinese Long March 6 launch vehicle disintegrated in low-earth orbit last week after being launched from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center on August 6. According to a number of space debris tracking agencies, this led to the formation of a debris cloud composed of hundreds of pieces of debris. Can China confirm and provide the latest monitoring information? What measures is China taking to monitor and deal with debris, and what measures has it taken to prevent such incidents from happening again in the future? (Reporters from Bloomberg, De Novosti, and Ria Novosti also asked)
>Lin Chuang: The relevant activities are activities for the peaceful use of outer space carried out in accordance with international law and international practices. China has taken the necessary measures and is closely monitoring the relevant orbital areas and conducting data analysis.As a responsible country, China attaches great importance to space debris mitigation, actively fulfills relevant international obligations in outer space activities, regulates its own space activities, and requires the implementation of space debris mitigation-related measures after satellites and launch vehicles have completed their missions to promote the protection of the outer space environment and maintain the long-term sustainability of outer space activities.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:11:58 UTC No. 16325124
>>16325121
>As a responsible country…
gonna stop you right there, chang. I see a liveleak watermark in the corner of my eye
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:13:13 UTC No. 16325127
>>16325115
lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:14:43 UTC No. 16325130
>>16325121
seems like they are not going to do anything at all, just continue to spam these exploding 2nd stages
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:19:10 UTC No. 16325140
>>16325121
a non-answer lmao, I hope someone has some good ideas for debris cleanup tech
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:29:19 UTC No. 16325163
>>16325140
SDI could have solved this if only we’d seen it through to fruition.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:30:30 UTC No. 16325166
>>16325130
It'll probably get one more launch before 2025. I was going to say that the LM-8A and LM-12 are both going to launch before the end of the year and they're setting themselves up to be much better constellation launchers, but China's still stuck in a launcher deficit so the 6A will probably be able to find customers even without G60.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:32:18 UTC No. 16325169
>>16325140
The best cleanup tech is abstinence/prevention --that is, squeezing their supply chains for aerospace
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:34:55 UTC No. 16325172
>>16325166
They’re in a launcher deficit?
>>16325169
arguably that’s how you get MORE debris. If they have to start reaching and using shoddier and shoddier parts then their rockets will fail more and more. You need to facilitate insiders who can fuck up the boosters so it explodes on the pad before reaching space lol
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:40:05 UTC No. 16325178
>>16325121
Give Taiwan THAAD and Aegis to shoot down every PRC launches before they reach orbit.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:40:46 UTC No. 16325183
Reminder that Luna-25 failed because the recent global sanctions meant an ESA-supplied accelerometer was taken back and denied, and the domestic (and at the time still experimental) russian built replacement fucked up lol.
Bullying works.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:44:30 UTC No. 16325187
>>16325186
That shit was so retarded, and surely would've cost them a ton of delta v
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:44:57 UTC No. 16325189
>>16325186
Remember the announcers watching it tumble out of control waiting for it to separate aaaaaaaaany second now.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:45:19 UTC No. 16325190
>>16325187
Best part is no part, so let's just do a backflip
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:45:40 UTC No. 16325193
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:49:53 UTC No. 16325196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXd
New Eager
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:53:50 UTC No. 16325202
>>16325084
housing expansion
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:54:49 UTC No. 16325203
>>16325196
It’s reFILLING, Mr. Beaver!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:56:16 UTC No. 16325204
>>16325189
>here it comes
>this time for real
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:57:45 UTC No. 16325209
>>16325186
"Just sorta spin the whole thing so it tosses the starship off" hardly even works in KSP, let alone real life.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:58:51 UTC No. 16325210
>>16325189
we might never see a booster or ship exploding again :(
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:00:02 UTC No. 16325212
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:01:47 UTC No. 16325215
>>16325209
seriously wtf were they on. I don’t even understand how this could have added any sort of benefit lol
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:03:06 UTC No. 16325216
>>16325121
>Can China confirm
tl;dr - no.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:04:01 UTC No. 16325217
Fuck yeah, I got to see Mars and Jupiter next to each other. Didn't even know what I was looking at until I read through the last thread.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:06:02 UTC No. 16325218
>>16325210
I think we’re in for a few more, like F9 randomly dying an hero with that AMOS-6. But, like F9, it will quickly get to the point of pretty much complete reliability.
SS already has a good track record, more or less, (assuming you call these partial failures) and I’m sure once they’re ~25, 50 launches in it will have a better record than many operational rockets. Which is crazy considering it’s a self-funded mega super heavy lift monster of a rocket
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:08:17 UTC No. 16325221
>>16325217
I don’t keep up with star trackers or anything but yup I randomly walked outside at 5am and noticed they were close and bright as hell. I opened up my app (skyview lite) and confirmed what I thought—it was jupiter and mars stacked (they’re pretty identifiable with the eye. Jupiter is very big and bright and mars is very red)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:08:44 UTC No. 16325222
>>16325172
China's military is launching a stupid number of small earth observation satellites. Most of the time when there's an LM-2/3 launch the payload will be some vaguely discussed Gaofen sat that's officially for civilian use but everyone understands is really just a military spysat with a part-time job in another agency. Military launches take priority and that doesn't leave very many rockets for the civilian sector. The LM-2/3/4 production lines are operating at capacity and the next gen Long Marches haven't been able to pull off mass production yet. This is also why none of the Chinese small launch companies have folded despite most of them having rockets that should be completely non-competitive. Commercial payloads will take whatever is available.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:11:19 UTC No. 16325226
>>16325222
I didn’t even know they had a problem, because they seemingly have a million different types of launchers. But that makes sense. I need to start listening to dongfang hour again
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:11:29 UTC No. 16325227
>>16325186
Why does it reconnect at the end?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:13:09 UTC No. 16325232
>>16325215
I can only assume it was an Elon idea, that or someone on his team thought of it and it caught his attention enough to go for it.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:19:54 UTC No. 16325243
>>16325240
I swear to god if they don’t do an in space engine relight on this one…
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:20:18 UTC No. 16325245
>>16325227
Who the fucks knows, it’s an avant garde circus act
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:23:30 UTC No. 16325250
>>16325249
why did he reply to a question with a photo containing the answer?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:24:50 UTC No. 16325254
>>16325250
probably doesn't want to explicitly say when its out so people don't go searching for the bootleg version
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:36:57 UTC No. 16325268
>>16325257
I’m also confident they’re coming back on Dragon, but I wonder why they kicked the final public decision down the road from this week to next week?
My two guesses are:
a) they want to do more ground sim testing as a last ditch effort to prove it’s safe to return on Starliner (though I’ve heard this problem is “un-simulatable” but I’m not sure of the specifics. I can provide sources if anyone cares…)
or b) Boeing knows the capsule is done for; they're just trying to muster up their PR response at this point and/or they wanted more time to do preparatory damage control before media snatches and the shareholder value plummets
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:45:21 UTC No. 16325280
>>16325273
What’s up with his face? What is it with Jeff’s?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:46:03 UTC No. 16325281
>>16325272
Before Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglass they were primarily an engineering firn. During the merger Boeing got all the boomer legacy business cruft from MD and they stopped being an engineering first firm. They even moved their HQ away from the engineering because they thought it would be too distracting. Absurd state affairs.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:46:25 UTC No. 16325282
>>16325280
old age + testosterone probably
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:50:15 UTC No. 16325287
>>16325280
he got replaced with a lizard and the disguise is a little of
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:52:40 UTC No. 16325290
>>16325281
Why did they get all the boomer legacy cruft?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 16:54:02 UTC No. 16325293
>>16325272
Boeing has a buyer for literally every single plane they make for the next decade.
They are garunteed money for every one of them they produce.
It's been like that since they came to my school like 13 years ago.
In that type of environment where you have extreme desirability, there is little incentive to make quality stuff. For all the issues Boeing has had, the operators put up with it because ultimately its less headache to stick with Boeing planes than it is to retrain staff and recertify pilots for different planes.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:00:02 UTC No. 16325300
>>16325293
I worked at a similar industry, but quality never went down in spite of novel business attempts to get bean counters in control. Basically either board or CEO told them to fuck off for certain elements. Didn't stop them from throwing millions down the drain in indirect costing. It just never penetrated to the primary value add. No guarantee it will be this way forever, after all, whole departments were in permanent panic mode because their hyprocrisy targeted employee morale.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:00:03 UTC No. 16325301
>>16325273
>builds a factory to mass produce reusable super heavy boosters
>Never been to orbit
How did they skip so much of the tech tree?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:00:11 UTC No. 16325302
Is it today they tell us the fate of starliner or it's going to be more bullshit?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:00:23 UTC No. 16325304
>>16325290
I'm honestly not sure but I would assume Boeing leaders wanting to jump ship with their millions or MIC shenanigans, the defense and aerospace world is filled with absurd stories like this.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:01:50 UTC No. 16325307
>>16325303
Header tank.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:02:07 UTC No. 16325308
>>16325272
The other anons nailed it, I’d just like to emphasize that there is such a thing as “too big to fail”. i.e. no matter how bad their passenger plane situation gets these are still one-in-a-million and it’s not like the US could demand/easily transition to someone else like LockMart or Grumman suddenly pumping out passenger planes.
Also, even thing they’re big, they can still take major internal losses. Their entire aerospace sector could fold, possibly. My point is they have a bunch of internal divisions that could easily be cut and sold off if it comes time to really trim the fat off the pig and these would deal devastating blows to them financially, even if they survive and keep making money off of other departments
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:02:46 UTC No. 16325310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyK
The Boeing doomconference is starting up
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:04:15 UTC No. 16325311
>>16325302
Final decision is next week. Today will be a bunch of question dodging
>yeah we’re very proud of the team and work they’re putting in
>yup as we said, we’re taking a look at this and going over the data as-needed
>look, I think what this demonstrates is Boeing’s ability to come together and identify quantitative aspects of a program
>thanks for listening bye
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:04:23 UTC No. 16325312
>>16325310
Bless you anon, I was distracted by other things.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:04:55 UTC No. 16325314
>>16325310
>we don't have any major announcements today but thanks for tuning in, it means a lot to us
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:05:43 UTC No. 16325316
>no major announcement
>Supposed to be a statement on their decision making process
Nothing burger that's set to AstroTurf whatever conclusion they come to.
I reckon they've already decided on Starliner and are now covering their asses.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:06:23 UTC No. 16325317
>>16325272
They have guarunteed money in the form of the U.S. government. The reality is that the U.S. will never let Boeing go out of business no matter how badly they fuck up because of how critical they are as a supplier for the military.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:06:48 UTC No. 16325318
>>16325314
Maybe they were just lonely and wanted to hang out with the space journos?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:07:57 UTC No. 16325319
>>16325316
They REALLY want to send the crew home on Starliner and are desperately hoping that one more conference will somehow make that possible.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:07:59 UTC No. 16325320
>"They love it up there, frankly they asked if they could live up there forever and I said 'I'll think about it' "
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:08:44 UTC No. 16325322
>2 weeks+ til decision
>Butch and suni are having a great time
The cope and can kicking is real
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:11:24 UTC No. 16325328
>>16325317
>yeah Boeing's software is shit but the jets are still solid
>yeah Boeing's commercial jets suck but they are still a critical part of space
>yeah Boeing's space program is unredeemable but their military stuff is still good
*you are here*
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:11:51 UTC No. 16325330
>>16325310
Fucking Christ this is worse than listening to a political campaign speech
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:13:36 UTC No. 16325331
>>16325301
I do think it’s interesting how different their path is from others.
You look at rocketlab, old spacex, and I believe many of the chinese startups they’re coming at reuse from expendable small lift. They know reasonably sized rockets but not reuse and their pockets aren’t so deep.
Whereas blue has experience with propulsively landing rockets and all the financial backing of Bezos. In a way they have more experience where it matters and skipped the redundant (possibly, we’ll see how escapade goes) step of building a meager rocket that provides an income source.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:15:37 UTC No. 16325332
>>16325328
counterpoint: our main adversaries are who? Russia, china, and Iran? The sad part is the gap is so big the government can actually afford boeing to be a real POS company and they’re STILL far ahead of everyone else
I don’t know if this speaks highly of America, or very very poorly for the rest of the world. Little bit of column A, little bit of column B.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:16:33 UTC No. 16325336
>Boeing is still getting approached by new people to give expert opinions on the issue
>They didn't manage to contact everyone who could possibly be useful by themselves
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:16:38 UTC No. 16325337
>>16325331
I’m a hater and I hope escaPADE goes horribly
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:16:49 UTC No. 16325338
>>16325328
grim. How the mighty have fallen.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:18:00 UTC No. 16325339
>>16325328
https://www.defenseone.com/business
>The troubled KC-46 tanker has yet another problem Boeing has to fix on its own dime, the Air Force said Tuesday.
>The KC-46 program already had six other category one deficiencies.
>The mounting problems have racked up a hefty bill for Boeing: losses on the KC-46 program top $7 billion.
https://www.thecipherbrief.com/colu
>“Boeing is using new, automated manufacturing processes to drill holes prior to assembling the forward fuselage [of its F-15EX fighter aircraft]…According to [Air Force] program officials, Boeing has experienced increased quality deficiencies after switching to this new manufacturing process, including improperly installed tubing and wires that required time consuming rework…Officials noted that rework continued in other areas of the forward fuselage.”
We are not even close to being there
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:18:02 UTC No. 16325340
>WHEN Starliner is flying uncrewed home
oops!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:18:17 UTC No. 16325341
>Butch and Suni coming back on somthing else than Starliner wouldn't count as a mishap or mission failure
The fucking cope, someone needs to investigate this cunt and see how much boing stock he owns
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:19:38 UTC No. 16325343
>>16325341
They can call it whatever they want, the public will point and laugh and call it a failure. And Musk will likely troll them to high heaven over it heh
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:20:22 UTC No. 16325345
>>16325340
Well that answers that
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:21:33 UTC No. 16325348
>>16325227
to dab on oldspacers
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:22:31 UTC No. 16325352
>yeah we’re confident it can still be used as an emergency vehicle if the station is fucking exploding and there’s no other choice
Oh wow!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:23:08 UTC No. 16325353
>>16325343
Anyone else finding it really strange that he hasn't already?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:23:43 UTC No. 16325355
>just refuses to answer
hahah
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:23:43 UTC No. 16325356
>>16325353
No need to be premature, let the disaster unfold completely first.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:24:42 UTC No. 16325359
>>16325353
>Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:25:08 UTC No. 16325360
>>16325353
he already has. Granted not in mega troll tweets, more just replies to other people trashing starliner and he replies with
>yeah
Seems inconsequential but he wasn’t doing that four years ago. He’s slowly ramping up public hate for starliner and SLS
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:25:25 UTC No. 16325361
>>16325328
anduril is coming for the military stuff
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:26:53 UTC No. 16325362
>>16325321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe3
>safety is a core principle for NASA
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:27:41 UTC No. 16325364
>“yes hello what is the current calculated risk? 1-in-70?”
>ummmmm nothing has changed
>*awkward sustained silence*
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:29:31 UTC No. 16325365
>>16325360
not really him ramping it up as he is just cautiously agreeing what the public has been starting to say for a while
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:30:02 UTC No. 16325366
>"acceptable risk for crew loss was calculated as 1-to-70 for Starliner, what is the updated calculation in this situation?"
>well we haven't updated our calculations
>"how are you going to make the decision then?"
>umm, uuuuhhhh well here's a lot of word salad!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:30:33 UTC No. 16325367
>>16325365
and if you asked his honest opinion about everything that is going on, it would probably be quite a bit more harsh but shittalking NASA and Boeing is not productive
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:31:44 UTC No. 16325369
>>16325361
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024
for example
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:31:45 UTC No. 16325370
To be fair it would fucking suck to work at boeing and know you’re the guy that has to go in and answer these questions when the situation is so dire and obvious.
But you reap what you sow nonetheless.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:33:21 UTC No. 16325372
>try to understand what we don’t understand
You don’t understand the fundamental dynamics of the capsule that can’t be modeled on the ground or tested in orbit, which is fucking bad
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:35:41 UTC No. 16325379
>ERM WE DID A FLIGHT READINESS REVIEW WITH DRAGON AS WELL!
Don’t try to compare to the gold standard. This is cope and cover!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:38:38 UTC No. 16325384
>>16325353
I think there are a lot of good PR reasons not to be clowning on them publicly right now, but I agree that it is strange that Elon hasn't ignored all that and done it anyways.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:39:09 UTC No. 16325385
>Header tank piping now optimised for prop flow when the ship is horizontal
Seems kinda obvious in hindsight
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:42:42 UTC No. 16325389
Did ISRO just do a pad abort?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:42:42 UTC No. 16325390
If Elon publically dunked on Starliner and then it killed the pilots on return, that'd be bad. He'll wait until they're on the ground and safe before opening up hard.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:42:54 UTC No. 16325392
The IVA suits really should be interchangeable from Dragon to Starliner, or anything else. The hookups should be common.
Not a SX fault though I am assuming here SX has done it the correct way and Boeing went and made something complicated and stupid
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:42:57 UTC No. 16325393
>>16325384
That's what I was getting at lol. Makes me wonder if he was specifically told something by NASA or another organization
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:43:57 UTC No. 16325395
>>16325389
Uhhh they’re not supposed to launch until Friday and as far as I know they didn’t have an abort test planned
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:44:03 UTC No. 16325396
>>16325392
There is no standard. Maybe there should be but no one screwed up here
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:45:50 UTC No. 16325399
>>16325396
Yeah I’d agree and say it’s no-fault, but it should have been common in hindsight y’know?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:45:56 UTC No. 16325400
>>16325392
Has there even been a discussion regarding suit connector commonality?
Are the Axiom suits compatible with Dragon?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:47:31 UTC No. 16325403
>>16325399
If SpaceX is serious about needing a million suits then I imagine there will soon be an unofficial standard set by them
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:47:42 UTC No. 16325404
>>16325399
We need dissimilar redundancy in life support hookups.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:48:11 UTC No. 16325405
>>16325392
Boeing probably relied on a lot of prior art from Shuttle IVA suits, which would have come with a lot of issues from defunct supply chains that needed to be patched and legacy limitations that the shuttle suits inherited from their Apollo-era predecessors. SpaceX just started from scratch and designed something that worked.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:48:34 UTC No. 16325406
>>16324583
Padalka was in space for 878 days, Kononenko for 1000+ and is still out there.
Polyakov got 437 days in a single run.
So Boing is not in a hurry.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:49:33 UTC No. 16325408
>>16325404
lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:50:24 UTC No. 16325411
>>16325403
yup at this point anything SpaceX does should be the de-facto standard and it basically will be by virtue of their success and proliferation
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:54:58 UTC No. 16325413
>>16325364
Nothing has changed because they don't have the data
This beating around the bush stems from them just having no idea the state of Starliner as docked. Ground tests ultimately do not represent the Starliner actually in space.
They either don't have the telemetry or they haven't characterized enough of the craft to connect data to the physical state of the craft. This is a huge failure for both Boeing and NASA which have a rich history of making decisions based on limited data whether good or bad, this Indecisiveness is unusual.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:56:46 UTC No. 16325414
Earthers stay winning
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:57:31 UTC No. 16325416
>>16325413
the indecisiveness is due to changes in organizational structure or something, someone talked about it
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:59:20 UTC No. 16325418
>>16325417
I saw it, earthcel. >>16325414 >>16325414 >>16325414
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:59:38 UTC No. 16325420
>you should just expect an 8 month stay
kay
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:00:18 UTC No. 16325421
>>16325121
>meaningless word salad
how are we going to deal with china dumping hundreds of thousands of pieces of debris into orbit?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:00:59 UTC No. 16325422
Sunni and Butch are fucking BORED
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:03:21 UTC No. 16325427
> NASA seems to be downplaying any formal role on Butch's or Suni's part in the actual decision to return on Starliner. They do get asked for their opinion on things. But: "They will do what we ask them to do. That's their job as astronauts."
"We who are about to die salute you!"
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:04:22 UTC No. 16325432
an enlightening experience in nasa politking
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:05:58 UTC No. 16325436
> The mishap office believes that it would NOT qualify as a "mishap" by agency standards if NASA opts to have Starliner return uncrewed, and it does so successfully. If some intervening adverse event happens on return, that would be a different story. The reason why is that the decision not to send the crew back was made by NASA, rather than some development occurring on the Starliner as such. If that makes sense to anyone.
"Okay, we'll let it slide. This time."
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:06:34 UTC No. 16325437
>>16324532
Mars 3 was a partial success. It landed and died immediately, zero scientific value.
IM 3 landing was a partial failure. They tipped over at touchdown but transmitted data for days before shutdown.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:07:59 UTC No. 16325441
>>16325432
I have tuned in to lots of these teleconferences, especially as Starliner has been through development with problems over the years, and more often than not they’re just a masterclass in question dodging
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:09:00 UTC No. 16325443
>>16325437
Excellent point, I yield
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:09:40 UTC No. 16325445
>>16325437
The "data" transmitted was intermittdant, useless and at less than AOL dial up speeds.
No marks.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:11:15 UTC No. 16325450
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:12:00 UTC No. 16325453
>>16324948
wtf how did the anime pfp get a reply from chudlon muskrat????
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:12:18 UTC No. 16325454
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:14:43 UTC No. 16325459
>>16324323
Hey Anons,
I've been surfing the spacegeneral for sometime, and would like to build my own space station here in Brazil,
More focused in Amapa and Pará where we can achieve equatorial speed and burn 20% less fuel while achieving orbital flight.
What should i look into buying my land?
What should be my main focus to give the best chance to achieve consistent flights and protect our rockets?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:15:07 UTC No. 16325460
>>16325450
Amazing how shit only looks good until it's pressurized
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:15:26 UTC No. 16325462
>army was forced to give up their personnel to create the space force
>now 5 years later the army is bringing them back
>air force big mad
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/08
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:16:34 UTC No. 16325464
https://x.com/LabPadre/status/18237
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:18:43 UTC No. 16325469
>>16325240
where's the X?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:18:45 UTC No. 16325470
>>16325459
You have to be 18 to post here
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:20:44 UTC No. 16325476
>>16325450
>yeah just weld together some $1/kg rolled steel and that's a rocket
I still can't get over this. I think I'll never get over it. My grandchildren won't understand what I'm so amazed by as every rocket they've ever seen has been steel. I'll be waffling about it to myself at 90. It's that easy in rocketry I'll say
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:21:04 UTC No. 16325478
>>16325459
>protect our rockets
Form a PMC?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:21:48 UTC No. 16325479
>>16325427
So they still carry on with this worthless attitude?
There is only a few people in the world that can destroy ISS and "mostly" get away with it. I know where two of them are right now
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:22:01 UTC No. 16325480
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:22:40 UTC No. 16325481
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:23:35 UTC No. 16325482
>>16325016
>>16325046
>>16325066
>Check out our cool spaceplane vehicle!
>Yes it burns up $400m in service module hardware each mission, why do you ask?
>Well we could just put everything into the spaceplane but then uuuuuh it'd add complexity! You don't want your crewed space plane to be too complex!
I don't get why all these concepts insist on the disposable service module meme
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:23:42 UTC No. 16325483
>>16325477
this was shortly before a US senator told them that doing so would mean no more NASA contracts ever. I wonder how Martians will feel about bureaucracy when they're taught that the biggest hurdle to their new red home wasn't technology or will.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:23:42 UTC No. 16325484
>>16325477
>JPL disapproves
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:29:47 UTC No. 16325493
>>16325459
launch from Somalia
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:32:08 UTC No. 16325495
>>16325301
The answer will come when NG's first launch attempt falls back onto the pad & the following 3 attempts all fail to reach orbit and/or recover the booster.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:34:12 UTC No. 16325498
>>16325328
How long until SpaceX burns out enough talent for a group of knowers to start up a competitor commercial aircraft manufacturer?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:36:34 UTC No. 16325502
https://x.com/culpable_mink/status/
>For those that wanted some firmer numbers on the Stoke Nova, the SLC-14 environmental assessment has you covered.
Stoke Nova info from their launch site EAS
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:37:38 UTC No. 16325503
>>16325470
well, when you save 20% in every flight you save on carbon credits that transalte to a multimillion eco green business.
>>16325478
Funny. but i'm looking to help our space entusiasts to have a safe place to launch, research, bond and create a place of unity.
>>16325493
Nah, Brasil may be dangerous but somalia is 100X worse i think... At leat we are capable of using the incentives for more space development and forest protection here in the amazon equatorial area.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:40:21 UTC No. 16325506
>>16325477
its crazy how we could've had the colony going by now but certain people in power are against humans going to mars
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:40:49 UTC No. 16325508
>the absolute fucking state of shitliner and boing!
8 years late and can't even return people from orbit
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:41:31 UTC No. 16325510
>>16325445
The "data" they got back was data they got back, and it kept coming back right up until the sun went down. If Mars 3 achieved the same I would call it as much of a success as IM's landing.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:41:38 UTC No. 16325511
>>16325482
What if you made a reusable service module that can be refueled and a reusable orbital service module like a crewed cygnus or an ATV or HTV-X or Dragon XL
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:43:30 UTC No. 16325514
>>16325498
Here’s the secret: they already burn through 99% of their chippy fresh college students each year
I think the real problem would be losing people like Shotwell, Insprucker, etc. But so far the fact that their top dawg means they retain this talent. BO tried to swoon mommy Shotwell a while ago and she told them to go fuck their face
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:44:12 UTC No. 16325515
>>16325510
> IM1 good boy! Him did fine!
Whatever Crashy MC Crashboy.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:44:24 UTC No. 16325516
>>16325459
>burn 20% less fuel while achieving orbital flight.
If you think in terms of saving propellant instead of increasing payload, you're NGMI.
That's to say nothing of the actual magnitude of the savings from launching from the equator (which is small enough to not matter).
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:46:48 UTC No. 16325521
>>16325520
https://x.com/realhomerhickam/statu
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:49:55 UTC No. 16325528
>>16325515
Odd of you to hear praise when all I said was that IM's landing was more successful than Mars 3's. Do you perhaps have an emotional attachment to soviet space probes? You should reconsider that.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:52:28 UTC No. 16325531
>>16325521
>>16325523
Well this just got interesting. In this case does Bill want a Dragon rescue?
Or does he want to commit to Starliner
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:52:38 UTC No. 16325533
>>16325511
Just integrate all of the systems those modules provide into the goddamn spaceplane
>but it'll add mass and complexity!
Egghead engineer-brained retards with misaligned design criteria need to be put into a small room to design widgets that are never used, to keep them as far away from real technology as possible.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:53:07 UTC No. 16325534
>>16325450
This looks like an old sci-fi movie prop.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:53:54 UTC No. 16325537
>>16325514
I know that. I'm asking when some of those burnouts will try to start up an airplane company instead of a rocket company.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:54:02 UTC No. 16325538
>>16325531
I would guess he wants to use Starliner
if Starliner is unable to come back it will hurt Boeing and thus might affect Boeing employees
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:54:44 UTC No. 16325540
>>16325521
woah
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:56:46 UTC No. 16325544
>>16325523
I can accept being wrong but even as smart and plugged in as Homer Hickam is I think he’s wrong and he’s giving too much credit to the space council. How is this anything other than: NASA group decision, NASA administrator gets final say if he needs to, POTUS gets overriding rule but it would never really come to that because what POTUS gives a shit not like the POTUS had input on challenger/columbia
Space council isn’t even going to come into play here, that group is just theatrics I would think plus it was only recently re-established
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:57:27 UTC No. 16325545
>>16325521
>>16325523
Is it really politics issue? If something happens to astronauts his career is over, if Starliner is truly unsafe I don't see anyone letting it fly back with astronauts.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:57:52 UTC No. 16325547
>>16325537
NTA I knew what you meant and I've been wondering the same thing. There is room for another small private jet company and there are some expensive problems within that which I think could be solved with good engineering. After that it's a matter of scaling up. It's actually not clear to me why the Boeing mishaps haven't spawned that already
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:03:02 UTC No. 16325549
>>16325528
> Yes, for some reason I will insist on comparing the IM1 crash lander to a 50 year old probe on another planet! Victory shall be mine!
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:04:08 UTC No. 16325551
>>16325547
Agreed. Also Raptor 3 really makes me think jet engines are being designed incorrectly: the typical aircraft jet engine is a complex rat's nest of parts compared to the literal most advanced rocket engine of all time, it's gotta be possible to trim part count & expense from those things without losing performance or reliability.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:04:19 UTC No. 16325552
Why haven’t any business jet companies built a narrow body comercial jet to compete with 737/a320?
Too competitive, even with the boeing shitshow?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:05:21 UTC No. 16325553
>>16325549
>for some reason
Someone else brought it up and I gave my opinion. You need to be less emotional.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:06:56 UTC No. 16325555
>>16325552
More likely they are too comfortable with the status quo and managed by people afraid to change anything or attempt something new bc it could affect stock value. They'd rather happily proceed as usual right up until a competitor puts them out of business.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:11:00 UTC No. 16325563
>>16324330
>>16324377
>mecha are feasible in Lunar gravity
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:11:28 UTC No. 16325565
>>16325547
Because the main blocker to designing and manufacturing new passenger aircraft is regulatory, not engineering.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:12:09 UTC No. 16325567
>>16325521
>>16325523
this Homer dude sounds like a Boeing apologist, unless he means Nelson wants Starliner to return with crew which I doubt he does
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:12:27 UTC No. 16325569
>>16325240
Where's the tribal flames?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:14:18 UTC No. 16325574
>>16325186
Remember when they were actually considering this separation thing?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:15:57 UTC No. 16325577
>>16325565
Once again
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:18:16 UTC No. 16325579
>>16325567
Isn't that what he's implying? Otherwise the minions turn whistle-blower line doesn't make sense. [If Nelson agrees to sending Butch and Suni back aboard Dragon,] congress will cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:19:54 UTC No. 16325581
>>16325477
Back when Elon wrote all of SpaceX's tweets
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:20:26 UTC No. 16325584
>>16325446
>>16325450
spacex doing alchemy stuff now
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:21:51 UTC No. 16325586
>>16325186
The "Well it worked in KSP" maneuver.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:27:34 UTC No. 16325589
>>16325563
>patlabor in space
please elon make this happen
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:28:05 UTC No. 16325592
>>16325186
In reality the separation during the flip would occur at this point.
The Starship would ignite its engines & steer itself back to pointing prograde.
The Booster would continue to rotate until it completed a 180 degree turn, then boost back to land.
Flipping the entire stack like a baton was never planned, though flight 1 did it anyway lol
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:29:12 UTC No. 16325595
If President Polk got the borders he wanted, what would have eventually been the main US launch site? Tampico? Somewhere in the Yucatan? Eastern Cuba?
Kennedy is further north than these other sites but does have an advantage of having a clear footprint to the east.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:29:27 UTC No. 16325596
>>16325592
fuck, pic related
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:34:56 UTC No. 16325606
>>16325534
I still can't really get over the fact that the shitty 50s scifi silver rockets turned out to be accurate.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:37:41 UTC No. 16325609
>>16325567
>this Homer dude
Do you say that as a joke or do you not know
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:38:10 UTC No. 16325610
>>16325606
I can't believe we wasted 60 years fucking around before getting back to the plot. Half the 20th century in spaceflight was just fucking filler.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:39:14 UTC No. 16325611
>>16325595
Man having a launch site in Cuba would've been cool. Would have a hell of time with hurricanes though.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:39:36 UTC No. 16325612
>>16325545
>admit defeat and eat a big loss
>make someone else play russian roulette
all depends on how confident you are about how many bullets are loaded and how much of a gambler you are
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:39:36 UTC No. 16325613
>>16325610
wtf is this real? even the crane is orange
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:41:31 UTC No. 16325618
>>16325567
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt013247
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:50:20 UTC No. 16325632
>>16325610
Hey we did do a lot on the way here, a lot of which is benefitting the starship directly. Sure we could have built the infrastructure much earlier with the tech and industry we already has
The best day to plant an apple tree was years ago, the second best yesterday, the third best today and the absolute worst would be someday tomorrow
As a kid I grew up with space, I remember being devestated seeing nothing but stagnation and this notion that the "big science institutions of the world" would start designing a generational ship in 2025 which would be finished in 2045
It was the worst
Then one day a friend showed me a clip of a red car coming out of the second stage of a rocket, while rocket man was playing
On that day a seed was planted on a spot, another small tree had wilted before
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:51:06 UTC No. 16325633
>>16325613
>he doesn't know
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:52:59 UTC No. 16325640
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:53:17 UTC No. 16325641
>>16325633
Mandate von Braun
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 19:55:45 UTC No. 16325646
>>16325523
>Hope JT will do the same.
who is JT?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:01:40 UTC No. 16325655
>>16325646
ligma balls
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:03:14 UTC No. 16325659
>>16325595
Florida allows for polar launches which is more useful than the slightly better inclination of a Yukatan launch.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:03:45 UTC No. 16325660
>>16325646
JD Vance and Tim Walz, maybe
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:09:01 UTC No. 16325672
>>16325659
Vandenberg BTFO again.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:09:22 UTC No. 16325673
>>16325506
>certain people in power are against humans going to mars
They want earth to be a prison planet
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:10:39 UTC No. 16325677
>>16325672
Vandenberg is a better location than either Floridan or Yucatan for polar launches.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:16:34 UTC No. 16325691
>>16325640
i wish von braun was still alive so he could witness what spacex is doing
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:17:12 UTC No. 16325693
>>16325633
I love when redditors try to deboonk this as a hoax and dig up old paper copies of this book in library basements and are forced to concede that, wtf, this is actually real
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:22:04 UTC No. 16325699
>>16325544
wait I think he’s on the council itself whoops
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:29:34 UTC No. 16325709
>>16325633
I'm convinced Musk secretly changed his name to Elon at some point and scrubbed all records
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:41:26 UTC No. 16325723
>>16325709
Nah he’s not some prophetic predestined figure, his actions have shown as such
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:43:21 UTC No. 16325725
>>16325723
God moves in a mysterious way.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:45:42 UTC No. 16325733
>>16325723
I've never even heard of anyone else in the world being called "Elon". Then the one Elon in the world somehow becomes a giga billionaire, and this giga billionaire's main autistic obsession is not sniffing super cocaine off ladyboy penises, but colonizing Mars with his own personal fleet of rockets
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:45:58 UTC No. 16325734
>>16325725
This is very very true. Moreso, God permits evil and can use it to bring about an ultimate good. A very interesting quirk of his universe.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:48:10 UTC No. 16325741
>>16325733
My gripes with him are way too off-topic for the general but there are aspects about him that are hard to look past.
No I don’t have EDS and I’d say I’m maybe a 2 or a 3, not a 1
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 20:53:15 UTC No. 16325749
The other option is that this geek kid Elon grows up reading scifi literature, then one day he reads Project Mars and goes like hey "Elon", that's my name. Then similarly to how he thought it would be funny to make the rocket pointier because some dictator did it in a comedy movie, he though it would be funny if he's the guy who colonizes Mars. So then that's what he starts doing, as a joke and reference you see
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:01:10 UTC No. 16325763
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:09:52 UTC No. 16325770
> But ultimately, it's NASA's call. The lives of two government employees are in the balance, and taxpayers paid Boeing for most of the Starliner spacecraft's development costs. So far, NASA and Boeing have committed at least $6.7 billion to the program.
6.7 billion lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:15:42 UTC No. 16325782
>>16325770
oof
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:18:02 UTC No. 16325784
>>16325770
it’s not even demoralizing anymore to me as a taxpayer I’m just used to getting taxed out the taint with no fucking federal progress to show for it whatsoever from this government of fools. Starliner? SLS? Mars Sample Return? Billions of dollars for nothing.
Progress is being done on SpaceX’s end and it’s majority self-funded. And I don’t want to hear about HLS being tax money, good for them. It’s a private effort nonetheless. Government sucks
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:22:25 UTC No. 16325792
>>16325784
anyone know how much SX have dumped into SS personally? And compared to how much they have received from the NASA contract for HLS? I assume a majority of it is their own funding.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:23:18 UTC No. 16325795
>>16325792
about 5 bil
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:23:41 UTC No. 16325797
>>16325789
Oh come on what a faggot
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:24:42 UTC No. 16325800
>>16325797
what's your idea
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:25:01 UTC No. 16325801
>>16325800
New New York
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:26:42 UTC No. 16325802
>>16325801
New York was originally called New Amsterdam, could use that
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:26:43 UTC No. 16325803
>>16325792
A few billion,
But they're building all the infrastructure from the ground up in South Texas including three launch pads (2 in Texas, and soon two in Florida) and a gigantic factory,
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:27:02 UTC No. 16325804
>>16325801
you are banned from mars
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:27:37 UTC No. 16325807
>>16325800
I actually have a running list on my phone but it’s one of those things where I’ll share it and then it will be cringe and I’ll have to close tab and stay off of /sfg/ out of shame
Peenemünde is my answer for right now but there are better ideas out there
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:27:50 UTC No. 16325808
>>16325800
New Jamestown
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:28:52 UTC No. 16325810
>>16325807
Reality check: that's a fucking stupid name, sorry. The meaning matters less than the iconography for a 1st settlement.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:29:17 UTC No. 16325811
>>16325789
more like terminal cancer amiright
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:30:29 UTC No. 16325815
>>16325810
Well naming something “the final point in space or time” as Musk suggested isn’t exactly inspiring when it’s supposed to be the first of many
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:31:45 UTC No. 16325817
Galileo Galilei discovered Mars so how about Galileo
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:32:54 UTC No. 16325820
>>16325815
its from the isaac asimovs foundation and I think the name refers to the endpoint of their exile journey
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:34:06 UTC No. 16325824
>>16325820
Damn now I feel dumb. I’ve only ever read caves of steel. Perhaps I retract my statement if what you said is true
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:34:39 UTC No. 16325827
>>16325817
or galilei used the telescope, it was actually eqyptians
>The Egyptians called it "Her Desher," meaning "the red one." Even today, it is frequently called the "Red Planet" because iron minerals in the Martian dirt oxidize, or rust, causing the surface to look red.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:35:14 UTC No. 16325829
>>16325800
ara martis
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:35:59 UTC No. 16325833
>>16325789
>Terminus
cringe as it is, it makes sense since that was the backup for civilization in foundation. also it sounds scifi which is a nice change of pace from the usual naming schemes of cities on earth.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:36:11 UTC No. 16325834
https://time.com/7010425/stranded-a
>For their first two months aloft, Wilmore and Williams were making do with little in the way of changes of clothes, since they did not pack for a months-long stay. Astronauts do not do laundry in space and instead simply dispose of clothes and change into new ones periodically.
imagine the smell
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:36:46 UTC No. 16325835
>>16325827
But it’s orange not red. This drives me crazy.
I’m glad the inquisition imprisoned his lying ass
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:37:23 UTC No. 16325836
>>16325834
>they are just like me
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:37:48 UTC No. 16325837
>>16325789
I'd name it Roanoke
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:37:54 UTC No. 16325838
>>16325834
project 2025 loads HLS moonships with washers and dryers
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:38:37 UTC No. 16325839
>>16325824
I think the name is kind of on the nose and would kind of defeat the point
making it clear that Musk wants to make Mars and the self sufficient city a foundation for a new civilization after the old one on earth collapses this explicit will make creating the self sufficient city less likel IMO
so the city name should not refer to the books series so explicitly, better not to refer to them at all and be stealthy about it
of course not deny it but it would just be a positive thing to be multiplanetyary, not some escape hatch for billionaires as is often criticized
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:39:34 UTC No. 16325840
>>16325817
>galileo discovered something that was visible to the naked eyes of our ancestors for hundreds of thousands of years
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:39:38 UTC No. 16325841
>>16325835
that quote is with respect to egyptians
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:39:55 UTC No. 16325842
>>16325800
Mars City
Marsopolis
Marsburg
Marstown
Mars (capital city on planet Mars)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:42:34 UTC No. 16325844
>>16325841
then they deserved the three plagues
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:43:42 UTC No. 16325845
>>16325844
they never happened
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:44:27 UTC No. 16325846
City McCityface
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:45:09 UTC No. 16325847
Mars & SpaceX
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:45:47 UTC No. 16325849
Roma Martius
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:48:21 UTC No. 16325855
>>16325800
Secunda Radix
which is latin for Second Root
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:49:40 UTC No. 16325857
>>16325855
thats pretty cool
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:51:28 UTC No. 16325861
>>16325857
the secret to good names is just translating earnestly meaningful words into latin until you get something that sounds cool.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:53:12 UTC No. 16325864
>>16325855
midwit question incoming but if the latin language “died” why are we, at least in the west, so keen on keeping it on life support for scholarly/scientific naming conventions?
Did it not die because the roman empire fell off hard and other languages, like french and now english, have become global lingua franca for trade and basic communication?
Is it a “I went to college and I’m a smart scholar” kind of thing or what?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:57:29 UTC No. 16325865
>>16325789
>>16325800
i would call it HOPE
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:57:38 UTC No. 16325866
>>16325595
Hawaii f you ignore the logistics and extreme NIMBYism that would occur.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:57:39 UTC No. 16325867
>>16325864
probably due to the influence of the catholic church
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:58:40 UTC No. 16325869
>>16325865
call it N
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:59:00 UTC No. 16325871
>>16325789
>>16325800
I'd name it Virility
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:59:29 UTC No. 16325873
>>16325858
bicus dicus
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:01:48 UTC No. 16325878
>>16325864
latin language managed to survive a little bit through gregorian chants and the catholic church, who had massive influence throughout most of it's history.
the more practical reason why we have it is because they had a massive influence and it still forms a massive part of all european countries' early histories.
there were lots of words in that language that had meanings that nobody else like the germans had needed words for yet. because these were words used by a massive and much more advanced empire which had tons of knowledge, scholars and deep moral, spiritual metaphysical thoughts and they wanted to write those down and describe them.
why bother changing them and coming up with your own words for those meanings when they already work?
also latin just sounds really fucking cool.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:01:56 UTC No. 16325879
>>16325864
it was the common language of the roman church, which historically wielded power in the west, so scientific notes and papers were recorded in latin well after the fall of the Empire itself
Then yeah, more modernly it became a thing where people would go to Oxford-for example-and study the language itself. And its use became associated with intellectualism along with Greek and newer interests like translating saxon old english and whatnot
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:02:13 UTC No. 16325881
quartus decimus octavus octogesimus
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:03:45 UTC No. 16325884
>>16325871
you could call it Virent Mundi
which means blooming world.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:04:01 UTC No. 16325885
>>16325867
>>16325878
>>16325879
Actually fascinating, thanks
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:04:35 UTC No. 16325887
>>16325864
latin was the language of pretty much all literate people for a long time, was the bridge to the knowledge of antiquity and extensively used in universities.
it's also much more refined and precise than french or english, so more useful for things like linnean taxonomic names.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:05:26 UTC No. 16325888
quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:05:30 UTC No. 16325889
>>16325864
The catholic church
The roman law system perhaps even more so
>German legal theorist Rudolf von Jhering famously remarked that ancient Rome had conquered the world three times: the first through its armies, the second through its religion, the third through its laws. He might have added: each time more thoroughly.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:08:10 UTC No. 16325894
Nigrum Pathicus
nigrum means black and pathicus was a slur for a homosexual bed-slave
so niggerfaggot.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:10:31 UTC No. 16325896
Extenta Culus
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:15:43 UTC No. 16325904
Bob
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:18:23 UTC No. 16325910
>>16325446
>>16325450
>the sleepless engineers are at their lowest point. If they dont solve this years old bulkhead geometry problem, spacex is finished
>wake up people, its not gonna lick itself
>what did you just say?
>*scrambling for paper and pencils*
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:18:47 UTC No. 16325911
July
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:21:28 UTC No. 16325916
>>16325792
Roughly the cost of one SLS Orion flight no I'm not joking or exaggerating
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:21:55 UTC No. 16325917
Prolapsio Rectalis
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:22:31 UTC No. 16325918
>>16325800
New Johannesburg
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:23:42 UTC No. 16325921
>>16325789
>>16325800
Concord. has a nice meaning and sounds cool
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:24:05 UTC No. 16325922
>>16325918
let's call it old johannesburg just to fuck with people in the future.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:25:32 UTC No. 16325926
>>16325924
>surely this will help us sell more landers
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:27:05 UTC No. 16325930
>>16325924
Wasn’t the original requirement to try to offer something sustainable (they left an entire descent stage down every landing) with the expectation of a month long stay? A fucking tin can… with hammocks.
And they had the gaul to sue lmfao
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:27:57 UTC No. 16325931
>>16325921
reminds me of the flight of the concords i.e turbo gay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bte
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:28:11 UTC No. 16325934
Renata Damasci
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:29:49 UTC No. 16325936
>>16325924
BO lost because of corruption (the woman that chose moonship is now working in starbase LMAOO) spX won but they didnt even show a mock up or something (20 refueling btw)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:31:14 UTC No. 16325938
>>16325936
Shoutout to my nigga steve jurczyk who picked Starship, dipped, and then died. A real one unironically.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:31:26 UTC No. 16325939
>>16325789
Jamestown
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:32:00 UTC No. 16325940
>>16325936
they didn't show a mockup because unlike the other proposals they were busier building actual hardware, which the others had failed to show any progress in, blue origin in particular hadn't even done any early stage design work on their antennae and communication system.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:32:32 UTC No. 16325942
>>16325924
Looks like a backyard propane tank balanced on a kid's playset.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:33:28 UTC No. 16325945
>>16325936
no, Starship was just better in basically every way and on top of that it was cheaper
the first proposal by national team led by BO was absolute garbage
this second lander they proposed has refueling as well >>16325196 and not only does it have refueling, it needs refueling in lunar orbit in addition to LEO so you could say its more complicated than what SpaceX is doing >>16325212
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:35:14 UTC No. 16325948
>>16325936
sounds like you didn't actually read the selection PDF
they state very plainly and clearly why both of the other options were completely inferior AS WELL as being more expensive.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:36:50 UTC No. 16325950
>>16325301
because they can't into tech trees
(heh, I just noticed that New Glans is an early choke point on that diagram)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:37:27 UTC No. 16325951
Say a space station is being launched to Mars’ L1 and is generating a magnetic field to shield mars from the solar wind. Would a typical wide superconducting coil be better than a rotating RF plasma sail? How would it be kept in its position without a ton of propellant? A sunward weight controlled by a cable?
I need some concrete ideas
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:38:58 UTC No. 16325954
>>16325951
The easiest answer is that you don’t need to protect the atmosphere against solar wind at all
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:40:04 UTC No. 16325958
>>16325952
truth be told it was kind of lame. Jupiter was more impressive last year considering its orbit, it was bright as HELL
Mars is always fun to look at though
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:40:37 UTC No. 16325961
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:45:36 UTC No. 16325964
>>16325954
why? all the heavy work done to thicken the atmosphere will be undone in a million years.
sure you can upkeep it but why waste all the valuable mass?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:48:11 UTC No. 16325969
>>16325964
If you can give mars an atmosphere on a human time scale you will have no trouble whatsoever maintaining it.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:48:20 UTC No. 16325970
>>16325964
atmospheric stripping happens over geologic time i.e. it takes forever and Mars only has a tenuous atmosphere because it’s been sitting there rotting away for 4.5 billion years
If you have the technology to pump up Mars’ atmosphere, even if it’s on the order of thousands of years, you’re still fighting positive against the solar wind stripping by a long shot
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:50:23 UTC No. 16325974
>>16325924
where would they sleep during transit in microgravity? in the hammock, but you strap yourself in with a couple belts?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:51:46 UTC No. 16325978
>>16325939
>naming your mars city after a random english king thats been dead for centuries
lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:51:59 UTC No. 16325979
>>16325974
What do you mean, what transit?
From the surface back to NRHO to dock with gateway?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:53:45 UTC No. 16325982
>>16325970
sure, but there's other practical reasons why you'd want to do it, like a reduced amount of required radiation hardening, especially in space.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:53:51 UTC No. 16325984
>>16325970
Solar wind carries away hydrogen split via UV rays very readily, if you don’t protect against the solar wind, you’re just gonna lose your water a lot sooner than the atmosphere.
This is why both Mars and Venus are dry as a woman when you pull out your android. A single station is not much to ask in any timescale
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:55:30 UTC No. 16325986
>>16325979
gateway -> moon
moon -> gateway
or is that short enough that they dont need to sleep?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:55:47 UTC No. 16325987
>>16325924
at like 10 times the price too
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:55:49 UTC No. 16325988
>>16325842
Marsh
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:57:31 UTC No. 16325997
>>16325800
I don't know about Mars but I will do all in my power to make sure there's a city called Wernher on the Moon
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:58:09 UTC No. 16325998
>>16325982
Radiation is not a big deal and if you’re adding an atmosphere it’s even less of a problem.
What I don’t know is how the planet would fare during extreme solar outbursts such as those that create brilliant auroras here on Earth. Though I believe the atmosphere itself does just as much work to protect the surface as a magnetic field does. I could be wrong though.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:58:49 UTC No. 16326001
>>16325800
Seti
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 22:58:54 UTC No. 16326002
>>16325936
EVERY
MILESTONE
HIT
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:00:05 UTC No. 16326004
>>16325984
>android
why the fuck would i care about the dry women when the android is already sopping wet and opening her legs for me?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:00:29 UTC No. 16326005
>>16325986
I think it’s going to be on the order of like 4-6 hrs max. Later apollo mission started speed running surface back to the CSM in 2 hrs.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:01:54 UTC No. 16326010
>>16325997
Braun Base
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:03:05 UTC No. 16326011
>>16326004
>wet
that's a toxic leak, anon
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:09:31 UTC No. 16326025
>>16326005
ok, thought that'd take a lot longer
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:10:53 UTC No. 16326027
>>16326010
Why would you call it Braun? His surname is toponymic. Using his first name honors the man himself, not the random-ass town that some of his ancestors were from.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:21:50 UTC No. 16326042
>>16326025
I had to google it admittedly it’s been a while since i’ve thought about the specifics of Apollo and you had me questioning whether or not they actually needed to sleep while in transit back to gateway haha
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:22:20 UTC No. 16326043
>>16325964
What did you do to get the air there in the first place? Just keep doing that but throttle down to 0.001% and your problem is solved forever
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:22:37 UTC No. 16326044
>>16325936
>but they didnt even show a mock up or something
With such huge mass and internal volume margins from a company that has built habitats that have gone to orbit, who gives a shit
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:24:04 UTC No. 16326047
>>16325924
>and heres how the black man and the white woman with covid masks sleep
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:24:20 UTC No. 16326048
>>16326027
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allit
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:25:01 UTC No. 16326051
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:26:42 UTC No. 16326054
>>16325998
At worst you’d just have to send out a global (martial?) ‘stay inside for 12 hours’ order. Not even a shelter in place, just a “don’t do EVAs for a while, stay in your habitats, you’ll be fine”
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:28:19 UTC No. 16326056
>>16326048
Wernher Wharf (Starships will be moored for loading and unloading)
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:33:11 UTC No. 16326061
>>16326010
wehrner base would be great.
it would also get bonus points for pissing off niggers and kikes.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:35:41 UTC No. 16326067
>>16326061
Hey, if they're trying to stop it either way you may as well
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:39:24 UTC No. 16326073
>>16326056
>tfw you'll never be a martian longshoreman loading starships at wherner wharf
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:43:10 UTC No. 16326078
>>16325800
Depotville
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:52:47 UTC No. 16326087
>>16325800
do what everyone else does, string a couple super literal words together and translate to latin
>mars city, drop the mars for red because mars doesn't make any sense in latin
>red city
>rubrum civitas, kind of long winded, cut it down
>Rubitas
done
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:56:45 UTC No. 16326090
>>16325789
What a cringe nigger. Anyway, Eden, correct answer thank you everyone else for playing.
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Aug 2024 23:57:13 UTC No. 16326091
>>16326078
the orbital structure housing all the propellant depots will be called Nelson Orbital.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:04:57 UTC No. 16326097
>>16325800
Maybe Nova Roma..i know, very original. there are probably like 10+ pieces of media with this name from vidya to books to whatnot.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:08:12 UTC No. 16326100
I assume the first mars city would be the place all the railroads would end at, so "Terminus" could be an accurate name
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:16:32 UTC No. 16326103
>>16326100
I assumed Musk was referencing something; but my first thought was Termina from majora’s mask. I get that’s now what he was going for but it’s where my brain took me
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:20:38 UTC No. 16326110
>>16325204
>fts ignites
>punches car sized holes into the tanks
>Starship/SuperHeavy continue to tumble for another 40 seconds
>therearenogodsupherebutme.webm
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:21:08 UTC No. 16326112
>>16326107
it's over
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:22:03 UTC No. 16326113
>>16326107
Big window just got double cancelled
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:23:11 UTC No. 16326115
>>16325212
It would be smarter to launch the propellant depot WITH propellant, easily 300T of it and burn about a 100T worth of it to park in the correct orbit. That would in turn save 2 flights of the Starship for refueling and bring it down to 7. It looks retarded to launch that thing mostly empty to be filled up.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:26:33 UTC No. 16326120
>>16325301
Many people over the years who left SpaceX either went to Blue, Stoke, RL, Relativity, or others or went to others first and then landed at blue to go slower, for way more cash. US aerospace talent pool is incredibly small and not everyone that leaves SpaceX has the shares on hand to kickstart another startup or they've been poached from SpaceX or other companies for ridiculous gobs of cash. Blue and SpaceX both have been around for 22/24 years respectively. That's long enough for them to accrue talent and institutional knowledge to skip past certain steps of the tech tree. But, at the end of the day, physics is physics and until NG launches, we won't know whether that's been a good idea or not.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:28:10 UTC No. 16326122
>>16325924
>tin foil around the window
KEK, who's kid from a BO employee did this for their high school science project?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:28:46 UTC No. 16326124
The more non-answers given, the more obvious it is that NASA is gargling Boeing's balls and the corruption of the institution is essentially complete.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:30:46 UTC No. 16326126
>>16326115
Depot will be long to hold more fuel which means a higher dry mass. Also possibly more and heavier insulation and possibly radiators and possibly sun shield. That thing will be up there a while so two launches saved may not be worth it
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:32:20 UTC No. 16326127
>>16326122
I think it’s just the low-fidelity mockup at JSC. They have equally “shoddy” mockups of the shuttle crew compartment, the entire ISS interior, orion, starliner, and ALPCA
It’s to get comfortable with general layout
Don’t ask me why they still have a shuttle in 2024 they don’t even use it. Not sure if ALPACA has been scrapped or not
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:32:46 UTC No. 16326128
>>16325945
BO is also using hydrolox, much harder to store & transfer.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:34:39 UTC No. 16326131
>>16325789
It's just Asimov autism
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:34:53 UTC No. 16326132
>>16325523
>>16325544
>>16325699
Homer seems to be implying in the gap between the lines that Dragon is the safe choice, but going with that gives Elon and SpaceX a huge political and strategic victory--in a way where the present and upcoming admin, which is on hostile terms with him, will have to bend the knee on it. Which they DO NOT WANT TO DO. So they will keep pushing the can down the road from bringing the crew home, until after election, on the basis that they win or lose, before making the final decision--because then whatever the outcome, they can save face on it. Butch and Suni are basically getting thrown under the Starliner for this game of political faggotry.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:35:27 UTC No. 16326134
>>16325998
>Though I believe the atmosphere itself does just as much work to protect the surface as a magnetic field does.
This is wrong actually. The atmosphere does effectively 100% of the blocking. It can even block cosmic rays, which have vastly higher penetrating power than solar charged particles & go right thru the magnetosphere. How else would you think people can survive standing under an aurora without being fried?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:37:09 UTC No. 16326136
>>16325800
OP IS A PHAGGOT
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:37:43 UTC No. 16326137
>>16326128
more like roblox ahahaha
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:37:55 UTC No. 16326138
>>16325833
I'd call it Frontios, sounds like "Frontier", optimistic
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:38:34 UTC No. 16326139
>>16326128
Contrarian take: hydrogen does indeed suck because of the tank mass issue, density, blah blah blah
but the US has mastered containment and has had that skill tree unlocked since like the 50s/60s. We’re so confident in it that the Saturn V, a rocket that needed to be rushed, had hydrolox stages. It’s good for ISRU on the Moon
But yeah embrittlement is a detriment to reuse at a certain point (although how many times were the SSMEs reused without issue, anyone know the SSME reuse record?) and divine providence means we’re proooooobably going to somehow eventually find carbon deposits on the Moon to our surprise and SX could theoretically do methalox ISRU anyways lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:38:46 UTC No. 16326141
>>16326025
>>16326042
NRHO has a period of a week. A rendezvous could easily take over a day.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:39:25 UTC No. 16326143
>>16326138
more like fritos lays haha
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:40:29 UTC No. 16326144
>>16326141
I thought they were explicitly aiming to do docking and undocking at periapsis so it’s quicker
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:41:53 UTC No. 16326146
>>16326126
I think initially it would make more sense to launch it with fuel on board and overtime evolve it into a more longer term solution with a station that's attached to a large strut array of fuel tanks. Only problem with the fuel depot economy is China blowing up their second stages at 800km and fucking over everyone else in the shells below them. Giant stationary fuel tanks that can't fucking move are a big problem when China's cum guzzling faggotry is involved.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:43:14 UTC No. 16326147
>>16326132
Mmm seems unwise to kick this can all the way into a T presidency, especially now that it’s obvious T and Elon are on good political terms. Kick this can long enough and you give Trump a victory he wasn’t even expecting. Which, unfortunately, might inform their decision to rush a Starliner return? Hope not sheesh
>>16326134
I considered this too and yeah it makes sense. What advantages does earth’s magnetic field give us then versus if Earth simply didn’t have one like Venus?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:43:48 UTC No. 16326148
>>16326127
>I think it’s just the low-fidelity mockup at JSC.
You're absolutely correct, good eye.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:45:34 UTC No. 16326151
>>16325459
You live in DEI country
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:48:26 UTC No. 16326154
>>16326143
If they sponsor the mission I'm willing to call it Fritosville.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:49:17 UTC No. 16326155
>>16326146
Just rotate the sun shield towards incoming debris
It's that easy
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:54:35 UTC No. 16326159
>>16326147
If it's a Trump presidency, they already lost. In four years no one will care about astronauts stranded by Boeing for a few months in 2024. Denying Trump and Musk a win before election is more important than denying them a win next year.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 00:58:06 UTC No. 16326160
>>16326115
You're a fucking retard. Every Tanker will launch with like 1500t of propellant, whatever provides maximum payload to orbit.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:02:55 UTC No. 16326163
>>16326139
I said hydrolox is harder than methalox, not that we can't do it.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:06:11 UTC No. 16326164
>>16326144
Not really possible since the crew will be launching from a point on the Moon directly beneath Gateway's periapse, they'll need to launch to meet up at some point along the trajectory away from periapsis and at a reasonably low relative velocity.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:06:54 UTC No. 16326165
>>16325459
Near Fortaleza, João Pessoa or Natal
You want as much infrastructure in place to start building, close to services but far enough so people don’t bitch about possibly getting hypergolic boosters dropped on them
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:09:32 UTC No. 16326169
>>16326146
>CHINESE DEBRIS DESTROYS AMERICAN ORBITAL FUEL STATION
>ORBITAL CATASTROPHE, MUSK TO BLAME?
>ASTRONAUTS STRANDED ON MOON, NO FUEL FOR SUPPLIES OR RESCUE!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:09:42 UTC No. 16326170
>>16326147
>What advantages does earth’s magnetic field give us then versus if Earth simply didn’t have one like Venus
From what we can tell, Earth would lose a bit more gas mass annually. Contrary to misconception Earth shouldn't lose much water in that scenario because Earth's atmosphere has the tropopause to act as an effective barrier to preventing water from rising high enough to be lysed by UV photons.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:13:21 UTC No. 16326173
>>16326146
We will need laser point defense to evaporate MMOD before they hit large structure, chink folly notwithstanding.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:13:27 UTC No. 16326174
>>16326160
The first depot will be a modified superheavy with vac raptors. Watch this space
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:14:17 UTC No. 16326175
>>16326155
I'll rotate you towards the sun shield.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:29:02 UTC No. 16326187
>>16326183
Pls don’t over distribute I don’t wanna get in trouble
https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0?si=VHm
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:30:10 UTC No. 16326188
>Develop malfunctioning shitcan
>Strand astronauts on the station
>Spend millions in dollars every day to "own the chuds" and prevent a minor PR win because frankly the general public doesn't care about space and would forget about it in a week
I say we bring back togas with how romanesque we are.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:33:19 UTC No. 16326191
>>16326183
Now we wait for Chinaman
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:34:42 UTC No. 16326192
>>16326187
>Pls don’t over distribute I don’t wanna get in trouble
>[YouTube] Rick Roll (Different link + no ads) (embed)
This would work better if 4ChanX didn't autotranslate youtube URLs
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:36:03 UTC No. 16326194
>>16326192
yeah gone are the good days unfortunately
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:37:50 UTC No. 16326197
>>16326174
No reason to do that. Just stretch Starship a bit & remove the flaps & tps.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:41:12 UTC No. 16326203
Starship is basically a VTOL space plane
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:41:54 UTC No. 16326206
>>16326203
pretending to be retarded is hardly any different from actually being retarded, anon.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:46:24 UTC No. 16326212
>>16326191
kek, hope he posts it on twix and tags estronaut again
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:50:31 UTC No. 16326215
>>16326203
Starship is a chemical powered sphereoid dropship
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:56:43 UTC No. 16326219
>>16326107
So much wasted space...
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:57:35 UTC No. 16326220
>>16326191
SONEONE POST IT NOW
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 02:22:22 UTC No. 16326231
>>16326229
kek
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 02:22:56 UTC No. 16326232
>>16326229
It even landed in a tiny starship
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 02:24:32 UTC No. 16326233
>>16326232
audible lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 02:40:36 UTC No. 16326244
>>16325389
>>16325395
For some reason YT is recommending me a few ISRO shorts now.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:04:43 UTC No. 16326252
>>16325800
's-Hertogenbosch
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:13:09 UTC No. 16326258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4v
Progress MS-28 launching in T-8:00
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:13:54 UTC No. 16326259
>>16326188
>own the chuds
Go back to /pol/
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:14:51 UTC No. 16326260
>>16326258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X
And here's the NASA TV stream
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:18:49 UTC No. 16326261
Is Orel going to be used as a resupply craft a la the way Dragon 2 can do it, or is it going to be perpetual Progress just launched on Angara in the future?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:21:25 UTC No. 16326263
>>16326258
>>16326260
Launch
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:26:06 UTC No. 16326265
comfy utilitarian russian launch ambiance to fall asleep to
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:31:24 UTC No. 16326270
Progress has separated from Soyuz and deployed its solar panels
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:39:23 UTC No. 16326273
The frame rate and reduced color palette make it look like a video game
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 03:44:11 UTC No. 16326277
Yay, time to finally go rescue those stranded astronauts!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 04:16:26 UTC No. 16326302
>>16326229
looks nothing like starship
unsurprising that chuds are spaceflight illiterate
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 04:44:25 UTC No. 16326321
Tip of the day:
You don't need to use Culture novels as the only source for droneship names.
You can also use DS9 and TOS episodes. Observe:
>In the Pale Moonlight
>The Sound of Her Voice
>What Are Little Girls Made Of?
>Beyond the Farthest Star
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 04:45:26 UTC No. 16326323
>>16326107
The what?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 05:03:22 UTC No. 16326332
>>16326321
DroneX 1
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 05:21:08 UTC No. 16326336
>>16326323
the nukes
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 05:24:46 UTC No. 16326338
>>16326107
You can carry 100 tons to orbit so long as it's very dense
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 06:47:18 UTC No. 16326493
>>16326229
>several obvious amugus on all panels
stonetoss became really lazy
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:05:25 UTC No. 16326517
>>16326010
Braun Taun.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:23:22 UTC No. 16326530
https://x.com/satofishi/status/1823
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:27:09 UTC No. 16326535
https://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:29:45 UTC No. 16326538
>>16326188
NASA politics are fucking vicious from what I hear
You'd better believe Homer, there are multiple people waiting to launch their campaigns for Nelson's job if he hands Elon a rescue contract because Boeing owns NASA in all the ways that matter
I fully expect the man retires in January 2025 and it will fall to whoever finesses this rescue to slay SLS after a human walks on the surface of the moon and wonders aloud why they needed Orion at all to get there
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:38:26 UTC No. 16326547
Time to stage
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:07:47 UTC No. 16326581
>>16326547
stacking the stage rn
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:10:25 UTC No. 16326586
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:22:17 UTC No. 16326603
>>16326586
Extreme homosexual behavior. Therefore, I will not be participating in your thread for the next few hours. Please refrain from these type of shenanigans in the future, as it is bad form. Actions has consequences.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:59:06 UTC No. 16326677
>>16326535
I can't wait to vote for DJT zewbrin you demented earther
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:21:15 UTC No. 16326688
>>16325482
>I don't get why all these concepts insist on the disposable service module meme
Literally just for garbage disposal. Yeah they put too much important stuff in what is essentially a garbage can but that just means more pork in certain districts.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:44:16 UTC No. 16326716
>>16326535
Why has this war broken zubrin so hard
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:49:45 UTC No. 16326776
>>16326688
just dispose of the trash on earth, that's a pork reason not a good reason
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:06:42 UTC No. 16326791
>>16325684
Cool
Who bought the SpaceX carbon fiber tooling?