š§µ /sfg/ - Spaceflight aka Space Flight General
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:09:59 UTC No. 16326585
Radiation hardened Nvidia chips edition
previous >>16324323
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:19:46 UTC No. 16326599
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:37:40 UTC No. 16326623
any change of starliner causing the demise of the ISS when undocking?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:42:06 UTC No. 16326624
>>16326597
the trajectory shouldn't be that crazy (insane, just the scale of it etc) should it? just a bunch of slightly diagonal criss crossing lines that run all the way to the bottom/top edge of the projection?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:42:14 UTC No. 16326625
A new /sci/ wiki is being made. What do you want to see addes to it? See >>16326029
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 08:54:36 UTC No. 16326635
>>16326625
All the information you need is already in the /sfg/ pastebin
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:06:11 UTC No. 16326641
>>16326597
Good thing he's just paying and not piloting.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:08:41 UTC No. 16326643
>>16326601
Who cares what the John Bolton of aerospace has to say? Just another demented chickhawk looking for a way to hide his inner coward.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:18:49 UTC No. 16326646
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
>Nelson: My response to the scientists is, I feel your pain. But, when I am faced with $2 billion of cuts over two years just in Science, I can't go and print the dollars. And so, we have to make hard choices. Now, let's go through those ones that you mentioned. Mars Sample Return. This was getting way out of control. It was going up to $11 billion, and we weren't even going to get a sample return until 2040. And that's the decade that we're going to land astronauts on Mars. So, something had to be done.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:21:55 UTC No. 16326650
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:27:56 UTC No. 16326655
>>16326646
Scientists at NASA should form partnerships with universities in congressional districts across the country if they want to have a chance at competing for dollars against Boeing and Locksneed. The Space Grant program has over 850 institutions in it, make use of them.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:40:27 UTC No. 16326664
>>16326650
Noo Bill, this is not the time bring up the JQ
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:42:01 UTC No. 16326666
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:44:33 UTC No. 16326667
>>16326646
Everything is fine.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:47:10 UTC No. 16326668
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:48:56 UTC No. 16326669
>>16326666
I'm glad it happened in this thread.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:49:01 UTC No. 16326670
>>16326597
yup this confirms my suspicions, heās a pseud
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:51:17 UTC No. 16326672
>>16326601
No fucking I way I thought surely you altered the image as a troll
What a faggot, this is arguably more gay than Tory or Bruno could ever try to be in their wildest dreams
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:08:13 UTC No. 16326678
>>16326601
Alright Mr Zubrin, we had good times together, mars direct, mini starship, great fun. Now face the wall.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:14:27 UTC No. 16326682
>>16326672
*or Bezos
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:17:36 UTC No. 16326685
>>16326678
Reminds me of Neil Armstrong's out of touch comments about SpaceX; sometimes (or maybe just eventually) people get too old and out of touch to realize when they're saying something stupid.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:18:43 UTC No. 16326687
>>16326601
Reminder that Zubrin hates Whites
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:34:09 UTC No. 16326700
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
>Congress directed NASA in 2005 to discover at least 90 percent of near-Earth objects 140 meters in size, which could cause destruction on a regional scale. So far, astronomers have found about 43 percent of these asteroids. A new mission, the NEO Surveyor telescope, is scheduled for launch in 2027 to build on the work of NEOWISE. NEO Surveyor is designed to find two-thirds of the 140-meter-class near-Earth objects in five years and 90 percent within a decade of its launch.
>The $1.6 billion NEO Surveyor mission will have a wider mirror and more detectors than NEOWISE, improving its sensitivity for asteroid detections.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:40:49 UTC No. 16326712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYy
https://payloadspace.com/an-intervi
>The right way to think about it is the bread and butter mission is about 5,000 kilos to low Earth orbit. We have capacity to, very meaningful capacity, I would say, to GTO. One of the unique things about the vehicle, it is very high performing from, think about it as gas mileage perspective. And thatās one of the things that really enables the reusable mission. Our second stage is unique by running on liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen that gives itās kind of incredible gas mileage, which leads to a multiple of payload capacities in the deeper space missions. Weāre very unique in that perspective. Other vehicles donāt have that direct access from a medium class vehicle. So we can go to LEO, we can go to the higher energy orbits, we can do trans lunar injection, escape trajectories, et
>the bread and butter mission is about 5,000 kilos to low Earth orbit
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:45:30 UTC No. 16326718
>>16326712
5 tons to LEO is only bread an butter because that's been the bullshit mass restraints forever, as soon as we get regular 100 ton lifts everyone and their mother will be making satellites out of steel and other cheap/heavy materials and not mass autism bullshit.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:46:41 UTC No. 16326719
>>16326712
>Now if they [Kuiper] wanted to go deploy on Falcon 9. Good luck, man. Itās a two year wait for a vehicle. Falcon nine is going to prioritize Starlink. The next priority is the U S government and everything else is after that. Right. So I would argue that, nothing has changed or very little has changed.
interesting point I haven't thought about before, Amazon didn't use Falcon 9 because SpaceX would not have the launch capacity for Kuiper and they would be prioritized so low that the constellation deployment would drag along too much
maybe a dedicated launch vehicle is almost critical for a constellation (ignoring starship here at this point)
BO is going to do Kuiper, Rocket Lab has also hinted about doing their own constellation with Neutron
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:49:43 UTC No. 16326722
>>16326712
His logic is that all the new space stations that will be popping up soon will not need a Starship scale resupply. I don't know, maybe
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:50:26 UTC No. 16326724
>>16326719
Andy Lapsa thinks there is going to be a market beyond Starship just due to the demand, not really convinced they will be able to compete on cost though
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:51:27 UTC No. 16326727
>>16326722
yeah, but you can resupply the space stations with rideshare
with cheap fuel in orbit you are going to have a lot of orbital transfer vehicles going around
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:51:40 UTC No. 16326728
>>16326601
pretty based, stomp ziggers into the ground.
these people are sociopaths and giving up any amount of land is seen as a victory for them.
it'll also set the precedent that in the 21st century you can now genocide populations and try to take their land and get away with it.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:55:45 UTC No. 16326731
>>16326728
Anti-colonial narratives only actually exist for western governments. At this point I'm pretty sure that means it's based and we should resume doing it.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:56:52 UTC No. 16326732
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:58:33 UTC No. 16326733
>>16326732
In the future Stoke wants to do deep space vehicles that are capable of coming back and point-to-point
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:58:44 UTC No. 16326734
>>16326732
something that's in their favour with their development cycle, is that their smaller rocket means they don't have to spend as much money and time on infrastructure. if the infrastructure does need later revisions, it won't be nearly as painful or expensive as it is for spacex with starship.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:59:12 UTC No. 16326735
>>16326700
Probably is mentioned in the article but I'm a traditionalist and it's a tradition to ask questions instead of reading the article: how do they know what percentage of objects in that class have been discovered? Or more to the point, how do they know how many exist to be discovered?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:00:33 UTC No. 16326736
>>16326733
launch is not solved and right now SpaceX has brought costs down about 0.5x, though they have increased cadence a lot
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:02:42 UTC No. 16326739
>>16326735
>WISE, and then the extended mission of NEOWISE, helped scientists estimate there are approximately 25,000 near-Earth objects.
>"The objects (NEOWISE) did discover tended to be overwhelmingly just dark, [and] these are the objects that are much more likely to be missed by the ground-based telescopes," Mainzer said. "So that, in turn, gives us a much better idea of how many are really out there."
it wasn't answered but I guess statistics, the models could be wrong (and I mean I wouldn't be surprised if they are, not that uncommon)
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:03:37 UTC No. 16326740
>>16326601
In unrelated news, a severely balding jewish man from Colorado is revealed to be patient zero for mpox in the united states
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:05:07 UTC No. 16326742
>>16326727
Falcon only does a couple ride shares a year and none are the dates you want. Not how you want to run a station
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:09:35 UTC No. 16326743
>>16326742
if Starship cadence for rideshare is similarly low then yeah I guess, maybe it doesn't make sense for SpaceX to integrate rideshare with dedicated Starlink launches (instead have dedicated Starlink Starships) and there is a niche for high cadence space station resupply
Its plausible I guess, and in while Starship cadence increases with LEO industry increasing then Stoke is going to work on their next vehicle or make the current one cheaper
it could be a way to get in and stay alive long enough
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:21:12 UTC No. 16326748
>>16326743
They have to get it on that market like, now. They don't even have a first stage yet right? I really, really like their second stage though, I wonder if it's starship scalable.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:23:24 UTC No. 16326750
>>16326601
lmao, what a faggot
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:28:06 UTC No. 16326754
>>16326748
I don't know, they're still in startup land. As long as they keep showing off people will continue to throw money at them
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:29:33 UTC No. 16326756
Wen estronaut leak
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:31:18 UTC No. 16326759
>>16326601
nail in the coffin, this is a mask-off moment
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:32:40 UTC No. 16326762
>>16326756
the non paypiggie version should come out today, I would guess within 8h
https://x.com/Dountman2011/status/1
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:33:41 UTC No. 16326763
>>16326762
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:40:15 UTC No. 16326765
>>16326762
Giant douche, incoming.
No idea who made this comment, but I believe it deeply and would bet my life on the fact that its unquestionably true.
On hour and 13 minutes of cringe on my Outlook calendar today. Insane.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:40:17 UTC No. 16326766
>>16326762
>>16326763
>Bozo getting destroyed
you love to see it
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:43:34 UTC No. 16326770
>>16326762
gives me hope that this guy has seen it and can still attest to Blue Origin doing nothing of value despite a wonka tour for PR kek
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:45:59 UTC No. 16326772
>>16326763
>that's what this tour is
when in the tour does he show an orbital launch?
you know what people are talking about estronaut.
it's NOT insane and it's NOT crazy
most DO know how big it is.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:47:56 UTC No. 16326774
>>16326772
Iām rifling through the (twitter) comments and everyone is just trashing Bezos hahah. No teamspace shit, theyāre all just dogpiling him. I think a lot of these āspitterā (I cringe at that phrase) folks who used to be teamspace have given up on bezos because of the lawsuits and lack of progress it really is fascinating
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:57:00 UTC No. 16326780
>>16326700
>astronomers have found about 43 percent of these asteroids
I mean, if they know they percent that they found then wouldn't they know where the other 57% are too? How do you know the exact percent of them if you don't know how many there are in the first place? 43% is a really specific number.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:59:05 UTC No. 16326781
>>16326772
lmaoo
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:59:06 UTC No. 16326782
>>16326780
no you wouldnāt know where the unknown ones are but I agree with you, how tf do you calculate that hahah. Itās probably just an inference based on area surveyed, average density, and extrapolation based off of what they have confirmed.
Wouldnāt be surprised if those error bars are pretty big and the reality is way off from the estimate
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:10:25 UTC No. 16326794
>>16326585
https://www.space.com/ai-nvidia-gpu
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:11:04 UTC No. 16326795
Sorry if this is more of a /g/ question but does anyone have a home planetarium like the kind you can get off of Amazon? Are they accurate or just pretty to look at? Would a cheap general purpose projector hooked up to a Pi running something like Stellarium be better?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:12:17 UTC No. 16326796
>>16326794
HAL + Starliner. What a combo!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:20:02 UTC No. 16326798
Estronaut don't get baited on twitter nightmare mode difficulty
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:22:13 UTC No. 16326800
>>16326797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJ
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:24:35 UTC No. 16326801
>team space
I don't get what the fuck this is supposed to mean. If you like space then you should hate the orange shit sucking up half the available money and the company which has sued to slow progress while advancing nothing.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:26:45 UTC No. 16326802
>>16326782
If you're wondering why I deleted that post it's because someone else already said it and I felt dumb for bringing it up again. I didn't think anyone would see it in time.
But coming up with exactly 43% is suspect.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:28:44 UTC No. 16326805
>>16326802
I was wondering if /sci/ had mods or bans, I guess the answer is no.
Like a vagina, we are self cleaning and pH balanced naturally
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:31:21 UTC No. 16326808
>>16326796
>undock the starliner capsule hal
>Iām sorry butch, Iām afraid I canāt do that
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:31:54 UTC No. 16326809
>>16326801
Spaceflight has devolved into political sportsball, for better or for worse.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:32:03 UTC No. 16326810
>>16326795
almost certainly not going to be accurate unless you're getting a good one that advertises itself as being accurate
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:32:39 UTC No. 16326812
>>16326801
its a psyop from people working in companies that contribute to SLS
they are deservedly a bit prickly about their jobs ending if SLS ends
then I think you have a bunch of people with EDS that are pro SLS just to be contrarian towards Musk, or basically pro anything not musk
https://spacenews.com/northrop-grum
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:33:37 UTC No. 16326813
>>16326743
>if Starship cadence for rideshare is similarly low then yeah I guess
Remember that most starship launches will still be starlink, then there is Artemis, space force constellation and other space force missions, government moon base maybe, Elon personal mars missions. And thats all without anything from the commercial sector. Once you start adding space hotels, orbital fuel depots, commercial megaconstellations, etc etc etc it kind of starts to sound like they have WAY too much on their plate. SpaceX has done the whole "build it and thy will come thing" but the demand is so overwhelming that they just can't keep up and it's only going to get crazier. Whoever cracks second stage reusability after SpaceX will be able to eat up huge amounts of contracts. Hmm, I wonder what stokes next buy in minimum is.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:33:39 UTC No. 16326814
>>16326812
>WASHINGTON ā U.S. defense contractor Northrop Grumman plans to lay off 550 full-time employees at its space business facilities in Redondo Beach and Manhattan Beach, California, marking another round of job cuts in the sector.
>The aerospace giant, which employs approximately 100,000 people globally with one-third in its space systems sector, has not specified the reasons behind the job cuts. This comes despite executives reporting growth in the companyās space business, particularly in military programs.
>However, the backdrop to these layoffs includes a recent program cancellation by the U.S. Space Force, which terminated a multi-billion dollar military communications satellite project. Some NASA programs, including Commercial Resupply Services missions and the Habitation and Logistics Outpost (HALO) for the Artemis lunar program, have seen decreases in revenue, potentially contributing to the workforce reductions.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:36:39 UTC No. 16326818
>>16326813
Not if the FAA and FCC have anything to say about it.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:38:58 UTC No. 16326820
>>16326818
Good.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:40:08 UTC No. 16326822
>>16326735
>>16326739
It is an extrapolation. People have done very detailed studies of parts of the sky for short campaigns. From this you can extrapolate the rough distribution. The real figure that matters is the completeness, what fraction do you think you have detected. This can be estimated by injecting mock objects into the data and recovering them, you do have to make some assumptions about the distribution.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:44:36 UTC No. 16326826
>>16326746
Using nuclear power to build solar panels in space?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:48:22 UTC No. 16326831
https://www.spacex.com/launches/mis
Falcon 9 RTLS
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:49:15 UTC No. 16326832
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1yoJMyQz
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:49:32 UTC No. 16326833
>>16326795
>home planetarium
Is it actually a home planetarium or is it just a fancy nightlight? cause the one in the picture just looks like a fancy nightlight.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:49:55 UTC No. 16326834
>>16326801
When your rocket only flies once every two years, there's a lot of space for other companies to do stuff
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:52:28 UTC No. 16326838
>>16326802
Appreciate the explanation for the delete but nah youāre good
In the last thread some anon took the time to meticulously explain the whole Atlas V phase II three-core design and I only read like 5% of his post and replied w/ exactly what he said hahah. I felt stupid as soon as I posted and realized
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:52:57 UTC No. 16326839
>>16326794
>AI GPU
>AI
i'm so fucken tired of this buzzword
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:54:13 UTC No. 16326841
>>16326833
That's essentially what I'd like to know. The $30-$40 ones are basically nightlights but those over $100 talk up how many stars they display, which is itself a red flag because you can't see hundreds of thousands of stars from Earth with the naked eye.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:54:40 UTC No. 16326842
>one fairing half flying for it's 17th time
goddamn i didn't realize they were so successful in consistently recovering and re-using fairings
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:54:51 UTC No. 16326843
>>16326798
kek many such cases
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:56:46 UTC No. 16326845
>>16326813
>Elon personal mars missions
They won't allow them to do that until they land some NASA shit there first. It would undermine their whole existence
>we are planning to land people on Mars in the 2040s, so that we can begin doing proper science on the surface
>oh hey guys, we've been over here building a town for like five years, wanna join?
If and when Starship actually becomes a functional Mars ship, it becomes a NASA project
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:57:14 UTC No. 16326847
>>16326801
itās delusional people who think the world should be like star trek and everyone should get along for le betterment of humanity
Thatās not how it works irl and these āpeopleā donāt get that
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:59:02 UTC No. 16326851
>>16326839
On Earth, its gay because humans do everything better.
But, in space, its kind of a big deal... no wagies there to assist with decision making.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:59:27 UTC No. 16326852
>>16326839
Yup seriously
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:59:33 UTC No. 16326855
standing back and standing by
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:00:13 UTC No. 16326858
Aaand launch!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:02:38 UTC No. 16326862
>>16326845
Sure, sure so now add NASA mars program to the list of things for SpaceX to do kek.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:02:38 UTC No. 16326863
>>16326719
Did these retards consider that SpaceX would simply fly Falcon more often?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:02:57 UTC No. 16326864
>>16326847
i have no problem with "teamspace" as cringeworthy as that term sounds as long as it only includes the companies competing fairly with eachother and not fucking lying out through their teeth and lawfaring all the time. as well as potential paid astroturfing groups by blue origin in RGV.
if we were seriously going to ascribe "teamspace" it would probably be spacex, rocketlab, stoke space, firefly and relativity.
blue origin, ULA, the SLS team and astra are more interested in virtue signaling, legal warfare, lying about capabilities to make themselves look good, and general propaganda campaigns than actually giving a shit about the future of spaceflight.
i mean, sure, these "teamspace" companies may occassionally throw a few jabs eachother's way, but they're not actively in big lying campaigns about others to make their business case seem more promising in comparison.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:06:07 UTC No. 16326869
>>16326839
if you want any kind of moon or mars base, you're going to need a lot of computing power because there simply won't be enough bandwidth to beam the raw data back to Earth like we do with current missions. Being able to ship chips that can be rad hardened after the design stage opens up a whole lot of possibilities rather than being stuck with ancient 20+ year old IBM chips that are "rad hardened". That's the real point of the mission, AI is just a buzzword for investors to see as that's what they expect in the year 2024.
>>16326851
Sending a dozen small mars rovers equipped with advanced self driving AI so we can cover tens of miles a day instead of yards sounds cool as hell
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:06:52 UTC No. 16326872
>>16326869
No.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:07:38 UTC No. 16326873
>>16326863
Easier said than done. Spacex has been swamped for years and even then they've only been able to manage a growth rate of around 50% yoy on average. Yeah, spacex can certainly launch more but ramping up itself takes time.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:07:47 UTC No. 16326874
>>16326869
>
i agree with everything you said, it's good that they're doing it, i just fucking hate the AI buzzword it makes me do big big sighs.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:08:18 UTC No. 16326875
kino angle
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:08:51 UTC No. 16326879
>>16326601
>support Putin's war
Where do people get their delusions, is it all just malicious reporting from journos and sheer ignorance of the reader? This shit reads like someone explaining how the moon landings couldn't have happened, or how "the firmament" akshully prevents rockets from ever reaching space.
You're left there wondering "how in the hell do you think this?"
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:08:52 UTC No. 16326880
STUPID WOMAN
>great landing burn shot with full audio waiting for the sonic boom
>starts yapping about something we have heard 300 times right as the sonic booms go off
REVOKE ALL THEIR RIGHTS
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:09:44 UTC No. 16326885
If you know what hives people create, you can trap them in a feminine fear. Some of the stories I experienced were inclusive of this tactic. Like your watching people's nature unfold, learning what hives they create and trying to find the king hive to kill and trap them all.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:10:58 UTC No. 16326889
>>16326885
name on, b*rkan
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:11:43 UTC No. 16326890
>>16326889
LAL
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:13:32 UTC No. 16326893
get this one away from me. Be the unhivable version. Any less is surely a risk on your nature. Where less is more. Why?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:13:59 UTC No. 16326895
>>16326746
Because it's a completely retarded "pathway" that makes zero sense.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:14:45 UTC No. 16326897
>>16326864
I agree
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:14:58 UTC No. 16326898
>>16326895
Fart in my mou
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:15:27 UTC No. 16326899
>>16326879
it really doesn't help that trump's been wishy washy on how he'd actually handle the war.
it'd be kind of pathetic if he droned on all this time about being a "strong man" and then just tries to force ukraine's hand in handing over land for "peace" which is what incentivised putin to go for it in 2022 in the first place.
giving these mongrels any land at all is basically saying "here's your reward, we're not actually going to stop you from trying to take more land in the 21st century, go ahead and do this again in 20 years and we'll have the same exact response".
these thirdies need to be buckbroken because they only understand one thing, and that's NO.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:15:42 UTC No. 16326901
how are the chopsticks meant to catch the booster when the catch points are so small and so close to the main body of the booster? surely the chopsticks are going to end up crushing the outer rings a little by moving too close
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:17:16 UTC No. 16326903
>>16326901
remains to be seen
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:17:21 UTC No. 16326904
>>16326899
Delusional, both zubrin and you
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:17:30 UTC No. 16326905
>>16326901
have you missed the slap tests
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:18:35 UTC No. 16326906
>>16326904
>non-response
thanks for playing
come back when trump is an ACTUAL strongman and doesn't concede like a pussy.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:19:33 UTC No. 16326909
SpaceX intermission music is my happy place. Heard it a million times, and I'm always comforted by its association with successful outcomes and optimism.
Was it Starship flight 3 that had the gay elevator music during coast phase? That was much more disconcerting, as if to warn us of impending comedic failure.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:21:48 UTC No. 16326912
>>16326901
What are the odds they give up on catching the boosters and just use landing legs instead? How much fuel do they really save if it needs to hover while the chopsticks try to catch it?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:22:18 UTC No. 16326913
>>16326912
50/50
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:22:29 UTC No. 16326914
>>16326899
You people stand out like a sore thumb, normal people don't give a fuck what happens on the other side of the world between countries they'll never visit. The only action I want is a cessation of arms/funds being shipped over there, we are utterly wasting resources for no discernable gain other than the eradication of tens of thousands of people who I have no interest in having killed. I am not benefited by any of this, and for that reason I am against it.
(you) want to play star wars and be the rebel.
>>16326909
I bet you could mod it into KSP and replace the stock space music tracks, that'd be neat.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:22:43 UTC No. 16326916
>>16326904
i'd vote for trump if he actually promised to increase aid to ukraine in order to end the war quickly, if he just gives russia land (the only thing they actually care about, despite how badly this war has fucked up their future) then he's not as much of a strong character as he advertizes and he's going to be directly responsible for future russian niggerdry whether he's in office when it happens or not.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:24:05 UTC No. 16326919
>>16326916
You are a crazy person, holy shit.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:25:17 UTC No. 16326923
>>16326801
"Team Space" makes sense when you realize it was invented by Oldspace apologists who have no perspective on things like second order effects, opportunity costs, or realism. They are in love with the idea of spaceflight being extremely carefully over-engineered robots and tight margin human missions like Apollo, forever and ever.
They feel threatened by newspace/commercial spaceflight. Their beloved egghead-designed eternally-prototyped vehicles are at risk of being crushed by practical technology that actually does things.
The root of this anxiety I believe traces back to ego and insecurity. These nerds believe space is a holy environment and anything done in space can only be done "correctly" by them, because they're the "best". They view themselves as real engineers and newspace as cowboys.
However, the cowboys just keep succeeding, and what's worse for them, the cowboys are succeeding at things that the nerds think isn't even possible. This means the nerds aren't actually the best, they were just first, and this both terrifies and depresses them.
Thus, they reject reality and adopt a delusion in which "all space efforts are equally good and worth supporting :)". It's a defense mechanism.
In a word, it's cope.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:26:22 UTC No. 16326927
>>16326914
you're not as smart as you think you are, and don't understand how foreign policy works lol.
we're not doing this because russia is a direct threat to us, we're doing it because setting a precedent that we're now an isolationist nation is going to cause literally everyone to start developing nuclear weapons.
it's also going to tell every shithole nation like russia out there that invading purely to grab land and resources is completely ok and they should do it as soon as possible before everyone gets nukes.
you want peace? you're dealing with savages who will only respect violence, so be violent and support violence against aggressors.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:28:58 UTC No. 16326928
>>16326914
>I am not benefited by any of this, and for that reason I am against it.
(((You))) people stand out like a sore thumb
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:29:44 UTC No. 16326930
>>16326919
>this doesn't conform to my magical understanding of reality and i don't like it
not my problem, you want trump to be seen as strong leader? he needs to actually be strong and not act like a pussy lol.
we were "strong" in the way trump describes it with chechnya, georgia and crimea in 2014, if we do the same thing again here it's basically green light for china to attack taiwan as well as any other expansionist ambitions by thirdies elsewhere.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:31:08 UTC No. 16326933
>>16326845
Where does this attitude come from? NASA cannot commandeer private spaceflight. Congress could probably pass some bullshit law limiting commercial human spaceflight to within the Earth-Moon system, it'd be a stupid decision though.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:36:08 UTC No. 16326941
>>16326914
nta but
Agree to your first point
The second point is possible and would be fun
>>16326916
Not trying to go for a cop out but this is all off topic anyways so this is the last iāll talk about it for fear of getting a warning lol
But yeah itās shitty and I agree the best answer is to ultimately end the war and return to original borders, I get it. With trump you might get a somewhat shitty deal. With harris what do you think youāre getting? Ukraine will lose even more land. In retaliation they will push further into Rus territory for some kind of fruitless land trade deal. You risk spooking Putin and the first use of ātacticalā nuclear weaponry since hiroshima and nagasaki. Or if you consider that a meme, you risk senseless death nonetheless. I donāt want to see the world come to this. We risk opening new fronts if our enemies sniff weaknessāwhich they WILL under Harris. And to bring it all back on topic: do you really think we will see Moon to Mars prioritized in a world where Putin, Xi, Iran, Norks, etc. open multiple fronts and drag us into a spending war or, even worse, a hot war on a global scale?? I donāt even think Musk would be able to do an independent Mars colony at that point. In WW2 if you had any sort of industrial might the government was telling you to focus it on the war effort and there was ABSOLUTELY no way around that
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:37:54 UTC No. 16326942
>>16326845
It isn't clear to me why NASA would need to be involved at all. At some point SpaceX will have more money to throw around than NASA could ever give them
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:40:44 UTC No. 16326946
>>16326942
all it takes is one new year, one new budget, and NASA could outspend SX if itās a priority for Congress. Plus NASA has access to things Musk doesnāt. Nuclear comes to mind first.
Musky boy loves solar but if you run the numbers for whatās needed, even for a basic ISRU setup, the amount of panels needed way out there is comical. You need other methods and you need NASAās help
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:44:37 UTC No. 16326950
>>16326942
I just envision someone going like we can't allow free market entities to just start running amok on a planet, we need a responsible government agency to guide them. And so they just go hey btw if you try to do that colony shit without us, you're not getting any more flight permits lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:45:13 UTC No. 16326952
>>16326941
i'm not saying either is really a good option, i don't consider anyone in the left "strong leaders" either (i mean come on who is going to respect a woman nigger president lol), i'm just not a fan of trump's vague words on the subject so far and wish he was more concrete on how he'd handle the ukraine thing, i just know giving away land has been nothing but encouraging for russia and others and a line has to be drawn at some point.
thanks for trying to steer things back on topic
>do you think we'd see the moon or mars prioritized in a world where putin etc open up multiple fronts and drag us into a spending war
it really depends on whether it becomes part of the spend war, space is now definetly a domain of war, so my guess is we'd see low earth orbit + geo prioritized and moon + interplanetary deprioritized.
who really knows what the future holds though and private interest might still be able to push colonization out the door if spacex pushes technology quickly enough.
i just really hope we find a way to tell all these rising shitholes no so we can focus on what actually matters rather than preventing the proliferation of nukes and keeping global trade lanes open.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:47:48 UTC No. 16326954
>>16326952
I really do wonder, if things did indeed get hot, would world leaders just not give a shit at all about space really aside from using their spooksats for intel?
Or would it almost immediately become a front where everyone is blasting eachother satellites out of the sky lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:48:02 UTC No. 16326955
>>16326912
hover for a few seconds vs the mass penalty for the whole booster ascent burn
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:48:33 UTC No. 16326958
>>16326927
You're actually insane.
>>16326928
You're unoriginal.
>>16326930
You're deranged.
My stance on intervening overseas hasn't changed since we invaded Afghanistan, but yours did.
>inb4 Russia bad!
Yeah probably, take it up with the UN, not my problem.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:49:51 UTC No. 16326959
>>16326954
even if you think kessler syndrome is a meme, it would be fucking devastating to human spaceflight everyone chimped out and created a debris field from LEO to GTO
Thereās no recovering from that in our lifetime
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:51:34 UTC No. 16326960
>>16326959
It's a genuinely terrifying thought and is no small part of why I'm in favor of cooling things off as quickly as possible. WW3 limits our grandchildren and their grandchildren to E*rth alone, we can't have that.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:53:05 UTC No. 16326963
>>16326958
the UN is so toothless it might as well not exist
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:54:45 UTC No. 16326966
>>16326950
At some point the strategic advantage to a private company spending all their money to put an American semiconductor factory out of nuking range of the rest of the earth outweighs some faggolini in Congress and the military just says fuck off
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:56:53 UTC No. 16326969
>>16326959
>Thereās no recovering from that in our lifetime
The government already figured this out fifty years ago. Just dump Starship loads of powdered sugar into orbit and it'll create enough drag to deorbit everything in a decade
Devastating, but we'd recover in your lifetime with lessons learned. Unless you're 70 in which case my apologies
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 13:58:23 UTC No. 16326972
>>16326946
> Elon n-needs N-NASAās help!
NASA is Elon's holla back girl.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:00:04 UTC No. 16326974
>>16326963
No argument from me there, but at least in theory they're supposed to be the body who adjudicates things like territorial wars and whatnot. Throwing our old weapons stock at one side in order to benefit MIC manufacturers at the expense of grinding the entire Ukrainian population to dust just strikes me as evil. We don't actually care about them, it's just a strategic move to "lessen Russia's warmaking capability". We're using an entire population as a human shield to grind against Russia, a nation we are not even at war with. That just seems evil, no other word for it.
Adjacent to the topic and back onto spaceflight, what happened at the Cosmodrome? I recall hearing some reports early on in the war that it'd been seized but obviously everything is fine since a Soyuz just went up last night. I feel like I missed a story beat in between those two events?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:00:31 UTC No. 16326976
>>16326969
would that be enough of an effect to get, say, 1,000 pieces of debris all ~1cm in size out of geostationary orbit in 10 years?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:01:42 UTC No. 16326978
>>16326972
>holla back girl
I donāt think Iāve heard or thought of this phrase since like 2006
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:02:42 UTC No. 16326980
Is eager beaver a furry
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:03:50 UTC No. 16326981
>>16326899
>>16326916
>giving russia land
It was their land/sphere of influence, but I don't expect people with brain rot to understand that.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:08:44 UTC No. 16326988
>>16326978
Nah I ain't sayin' she's a gold-digger,
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:09:24 UTC No. 16326989
>>16326980
its eager space
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:13:26 UTC No. 16326993
>>16326958
someone's seething
why are you upset that people have differing opinions on this?
>le foreign policy doesn't matter
you should not be surprised when people are equally as dismissive of your stance as you are of theirs if you act this way, calling people insane doesn't help either.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:14:29 UTC No. 16326995
>>16326993
Whatever you say, warhawk.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:14:30 UTC No. 16326996
>>16326976
Yes. There's a paper by the US Navy somewhere
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:14:53 UTC No. 16326997
>>16326974
>grinding the entire ukrainian population to dust
but that's not what's happening, ukraine's casualty rates are nowhere near enough for that to happen, as far as i know they still haven't actually drafted anyone other than reservists that already served since 2014.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:16:42 UTC No. 16327000
>>16326997
yes, we all totally believe the official numbers
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:16:48 UTC No. 16327001
>>16326997
there is so much propaganda from both sides out there that I lost interest a long time ago
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:17:05 UTC No. 16327002
>>16326981
it isn't lol, retard, spheres of influence are dead, we don't do things like that anymore.
ukraine is it's own country with it's own independence, it gets to choose for itself, not russia.
you're the kind of retard who unironically thinks it would be a good idea to invade mexico because "muh sphere of influence"
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:19:07 UTC No. 16327005
>>16326995
i actually want to prevent future wars, you want to give the country that starts another war every time they succeed in biting off a chunk somewhere, another chunk.
just because you're an isolationistbrain and thinking about things beyond your border is difficult doesn't mean everyone else is, we need to make it clear that wars of conquest are not acceptable anymore, lest you want even more wars and more destabilization.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:19:47 UTC No. 16327007
>>16327001
This, I just want to stop paying for the useless bloodshed. It'd be nice if they stopped killing one another too but so long as I'm not paying for it I can't really do shit about it and don't care to try.
>inb4 "what if Russia attacks Europe?!"
Then I guess Europe has to defend itself, good luck guys let us know how this one turns out
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:21:10 UTC No. 16327008
>>16327005
Sure, we can just win their hearts and minds while we export democracy again, right?
Blow it out your ass you Dubya-era dipshit
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:22:24 UTC No. 16327010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnH
>A montage of the construction of Ariane 6.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:22:42 UTC No. 16327011
>>16327002
>spheres of influence are dead
Yeah, that's why it's a good thing that China uses Mexico to flood the US with fentanyl. After all, Mexico is it's own country after all.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:23:12 UTC No. 16327013
>>16327000
i don't need official numbers to look at the sheer amount of compensations for lost limbs on the russian side and the realities that lead to ukraine suffering a much lower casualty rate than russia's.
lack of proper medical evac, slow C3 responses, literally not giving your fodder troops guns until they exit the trench/have to defend against attack (which i've seen visual evidence of on like 6 different occassions as well as russian warbloggers mentioning it as a constant problem) as well as their weird death cult mentality etc all point to russia leading pretty unsustainable losses on their account compared to ukraine, and that's not even mentioning materiel.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:23:50 UTC No. 16327015
>>16326899
How to handle the ukraine situation
>train 50 additional ukranian F-16 pilots
>bitch at the EU for not supporting ukraine and being delusional about russia as a future trustworthy ally (never happening)
>provide unlimited older munitions & MREs
>full scale united states attack on russian electrical grid, oil infrastructure & reserves, & ports (all of them)
>establish air superiority and eliminate all military assets
>capture putin (alive) & begin striking population centers with neutron bombs
>Amputate all of Putin's limbs & begin 24-7 non stop vivisection torture livestream (including extreme cock & ball torture and rape). Medical intervention to keep him alive, but never any anaesthetic.
>deploy geofenced hunter killer drones to exterminate any remaining russians
>establish former russian territory as 51st state, gift the Kuril islands to Japan
we need to send a message to the world that the Good Guys always Win!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:24:05 UTC No. 16327016
>Gaia data has identified 352 potential asteroids with āasteroid-moonsā. Astronomers found them by measuring minute wobbles in the light from these binary systems. All will need to be confirmed, as they could just be irregularly shaped asteroids. This likely significantly increases the number of known binary asteroids, which currently sits around 500
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/202
https://orbitalindex.com/archive/20
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:24:31 UTC No. 16327018
>>16327008
>implying i liked the invasion of afghanistan or iraq
lol no, useless adventure trying to civilise those mongrels.
doesn't really mean preventing the precedent of conquest and genocide in thirdies is a bad idea.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:24:44 UTC No. 16327019
>>16326899
>it really doesn't help that trump's been wishy washy on how he'd actually handle the war.
Wouldn't it be wise to not publicly announce your strategy?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:25:13 UTC No. 16327022
>>16326901
Control input smoothing, accuracy boxes, and tuning. I think it'll take 3 tries for a perfect catch.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:25:40 UTC No. 16327023
>>16327015
that's pretty based.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:26:06 UTC No. 16327024
>>16327022
His job gets in the way
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:26:45 UTC No. 16327027
>>16326910
I think the AJ-260 had more
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:26:51 UTC No. 16327028
>>16327015
based moderate
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:27:16 UTC No. 16327029
>>16327005
>i actually want to prevent future wars
Brain rot. What all the military intervention in the last 30 years achieved is that no one trusts the US anymore, a EU that is incapable of defending itself and Russia, China, Iran, NK banding together. And the only ones who benefits are the jewish bankers, while your groceries get more expensive.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:27:49 UTC No. 16327030
>>16327015
filthy moderate, how will we ever send a strong message with fencesitters like you.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:28:32 UTC No. 16327031
>>16327018
>THIS TIME will be different!
Blow it out your ass
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:28:44 UTC No. 16327032
>>16327015
did you steal this from zubrins X account?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:28:55 UTC No. 16327033
>>16327031
EXODIA
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:28:56 UTC No. 16327034
>>16327015
>least unhinged /k/ope tranny
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:30:44 UTC No. 16327036
>>16327029
>>16327031
that doesn't mean military intervention here would be bad.
not all wars are created equal, this is a pretty unequivocal black and white war, we'd be helping an independent country that's defending itself from tyrrany, all we'd gain is eternal gratitude and a future fighting buddy as well as lucrative future economic deals just like we did with the rest of europe, unlike iraq/afghanistan ukrainians have proven they actually want to fight for what they believe in and will do so when given the means.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:31:15 UTC No. 16327037
>>16326959
Kessler syndrome is fixable because it's possible to orbit Earth low enough that no significant debris field can persist. From there one can deploy targeted and passive methods of removing debris.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:31:22 UTC No. 16327038
>>16327036
Blah blah blah blow it out your ass.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:32:11 UTC No. 16327039
>>16327034
>/k/ope
only tourists from /pol/ use that word lol, you should skip the step of going back to /pol/ and just return to whatever website you were skulking around before you invaded this website in 2016, newfag.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:32:28 UTC No. 16327040
>>16327036
>ukraine
>the most corrupt country in Europe
>that the US couped in 2014
>an independent country
brain rot
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:33:06 UTC No. 16327041
>>16326601
Based man of integrity.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:33:09 UTC No. 16327042
>>16327036
>unlike iraq/afghanistan ukrainians have proven they actually want to fight for what they believe in
>Afghans
>not fighting for what they believe in
You fucking moron, that's exactly what they did in resisting American occupation for 20 years, culminating with throwing us out of their country and seizing control of it.
They don't fight for what (((you))) believe in.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:35:01 UTC No. 16327044
>>16327040
>the most corrupt country in europe
>that's been improving and rapidly rising up the ranks ever since 2014, compared to russia who's corruption has only worsened.
>that the US couped in 2014
/pol/tard newfag brain lol
>an independent country
yes, does that make you upset?
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:37:25 UTC No. 16327046
>>16326981
So we should give Texas to Mexico?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:38:00 UTC No. 16327048
>>16327043
America should annex Kazakhstan so we can take control of Baikonur and launch Starlink sats on Soyuz.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:38:27 UTC No. 16327050
>>16327047
What are they gonna due, cut the damned thing off and give it a shove?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:39:08 UTC No. 16327051
>>16327044
Yeah, it sure looks like it's improving.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:39:31 UTC No. 16327052
>>16327050
>due
thatās a new one
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:39:41 UTC No. 16327053
>>16327047
> Attempted undocking
Be real son.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:40:00 UTC No. 16327054
>>16327040
>that the US couped in 2014
yes the russian-installed govt in ukraine literally leaving because of riots that started when they started shooting at civvies and never coming back was a coup lol.
you realize they just said to themselves
>oh he's in russia now, he's stolen a bunch of stuff from the treasury and left
>guess we have to form a new government now
there was nobody ready to take up the mantle after the russian puppet government literally left lol, if it was a coup, wouldn't they at least have SOMEONE ready to take over as soon as it was mission success?
>>16327051
woah it's almost like that's because it's at war with an attacking country or something.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:40:21 UTC No. 16327055
>>16327050
upload software that allows it to undock autonomously
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:40:37 UTC No. 16327056
>>16326997
>still haven't actually drafted anyone other than reservists
First off this isn't true, they've drafted every man above the age of 25 who's still in the country and not working some vital job.
As well there actually huge manpower issues in the ukrainian army but lowering the draft age below 25 is politically toxic so they still haven't done it.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:42:17 UTC No. 16327057
So how long will Earth-launched propellants be economically favorable over ISRU'd propellants, for transportation beyond LEO?
I'm basically wondering if it'll ever make sense to convert all tanker launches to cargo launches & use space tugs to haul the cargo around. I don't think it'll make sense to use Lunar propellants for this mostly because the Moon is so dry, but maybe asteroids can make it work?
Yes I'm aware we're nowhere near capable of it, this is a hypothetical future where Starship has been built out as far as it's gonna go & people want more payload mass/year headed to the Moon & Mars etc.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:43:53 UTC No. 16327059
>>16327054
>russian-installed govt
So why did they deny people in the donbas to vote in the elections after the coup?
>it's almost like that's because it's at war
>US and EU pump billions in ukraine
>no fortifications built
>zelensky's wife gets a new car
I really love how my tax money is spent, I'm sure you do too
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:44:06 UTC No. 16327060
>>16326601
vased and ceramicpilled.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:47:38 UTC No. 16327063
>>16326997
>still haven't actually drafted anyone other than reservists
You're confusing ukraine with russia lol
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:49:26 UTC No. 16327066
>>16327059
>did they deny people in the donbas to vote in the elections
was that before or after russia started an insurgency to make phony republics and invaded crimea?
>after the coup
the one in crimea in the donbas where russia started the whole conflict, right? not the imaginary one in your head, right?
>US and EU pump billions into ukraine
mostly physical hardware that was already bought and paid for lol
>no fortifications built
lots of fortifications built, don't really know where you got this
>zelensky's wife gets a new car
oh i get it you're a /pol/schizo, that makes a lot of sense.
man russia must really suck at war if ukraine didn't actually get any aid because it all got embezzled and they're just fighting the same army that ukraine was in 2022.
>i really love how my tax money is spent
in this case i truly do, it also makes me happy that people like you can only kvetch about it but have to pay for the betterment of the world anyway.
you're gonna pay for TZD and you're gonna like it.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:50:44 UTC No. 16327067
>>16326902
Why does every single article about space mention blue origin and sometimes even virgin galactic
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:51:38 UTC No. 16327070
>>16326762
>>16326763
spacex stans seething omg
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:51:48 UTC No. 16327071
>>16327067
because normalfags are retarded, suffer from EDS and will suck up to anything they see as "the competitors" to spacex even though they haven't been competing in any way with spacex.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:52:59 UTC No. 16327072
>>16327059
Lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:53:35 UTC No. 16327073
>>16327066
lol, mad tranny
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:54:59 UTC No. 16327075
>>16327074
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status
any minute now
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:55:29 UTC No. 16327076
>>16327073
>/pol/schizo delusions get shattered
>must be a tranny
cum/chug/ has two trannies lol, that's projection.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:56:34 UTC No. 16327077
>>16327076
>posts a bunch of bullshit
dial 8
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:57:08 UTC No. 16327078
https://astroscale.com/space-protec
https://astroscale.com/spaceprotect
>Astroscale released a free video game about capturing space debris. In orbit, the companyās ADRAS-J has now completed two 360-degree fly-arounds of its H-IIA upper stage debris target. ADRAS-J is the first space mission to perform proximity operations around a piece of real, uncooperative space debris.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:57:25 UTC No. 16327079
You guys are replying to a glownigger retards. Note all the buzzwords and key points hit
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:57:55 UTC No. 16327080
>>16327077
>n-nooo it's not true because...b-because it just isn't chud!
lol, hyperemotional fag, get a grip.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:58:57 UTC No. 16327082
>>16327057
Unfortunately probably forever. The cheaper the rockets get the less ISRU makes sense. You'll definitely have it on Mars, but the moon is so close it may not make sense. Asteroids maybe never. Well not never, but requiring levels of automation and advanced propulsion that we don't have so you can't make predictions. My guess is if or when any of that happens we will be well past Starship. Until then, ten Starship launches for a load of cheap Earth prop will be easier than one Starship launch from a mining and refining facility anywhere else
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:59:12 UTC No. 16327083
>>16327079
yeah i should probably stop toying with russian glowies, this board or general is not really the place for it. then again they shouldn't be here anyways, space is an american topic, not for glavniggers.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:59:29 UTC No. 16327084
>>16327059
My only gripe is that we are getting a fairly poor number of dead russians per dollar, private industry should be involved to come up with innovative new methods of killing russians more efficiently.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:00:40 UTC No. 16327086
>>16327084
drones seem to get pretty high TZD/dollar ratios, there's a lot of visual evidence showing their effectiveness, anduril's jumping on that right now.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:01:47 UTC No. 16327087
>16327072
It takes a special kind of person to be able to enjoy war casualty footage. For fucks sake, those are people getting killed. I don't care if it's a Ukrainian or a Russian, it's still a tragedy. Another solder that's not going to come home to his family.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:03:25 UTC No. 16327089
>>16327087
russians have done everything in their power to dehumanize themselves in this war, from bucha to izium and everything inbetween.
it doesn't surprise me that this war has completely destroyed most people's empathy for russians as people, even if i don't agree with it, they did do it to themselves.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:03:44 UTC No. 16327090
>>16327087
They're unhinged, bloodthirsty, and inhuman. Anybody reveling in the pointless deaths of men in trenches, no matter the nationality.
Only bad people enjoy that stuff.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:03:49 UTC No. 16327091
>>16327047
Lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:04:53 UTC No. 16327092
Big happening today I can sense it
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:07:22 UTC No. 16327096
>>16327090
you've never looked up the history of any war lol.
you're trying to distance yourself from the people with bloodlust but you forget that this is what war will do to a very large part of any population, even if only indirectly involved.
most of the people in history who have performed ruthless warcrimes or scoffed at the deaths of their enemies in war were perfectly normal healthy people, it's a self-comforting notion that they're special outliers.
pic unrelated, cool photo from inside starship.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:09:58 UTC No. 16327101
>>16327096
Don't (you) me you turbofaggot.
Related, Mars yesterday afternoon.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:11:34 UTC No. 16327104
>>16327101
Afternoon earth time or afternoon mars time?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:16:16 UTC No. 16327111
>>16327104
>This image was acquired on Aug. 14, 2024 (Sol 1239) at the local mean solar time of 14:55:15.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:16:59 UTC No. 16327113
>>16326902
>>16326910
>>16326922
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/18
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:17:14 UTC No. 16327114
>>16327101
what a poisonous response, i'm not the guy you were denying (you)'s to, calm your tits.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:18:00 UTC No. 16327117
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:18:21 UTC No. 16327118
>>16327059
ŠpŠøŠ²eŃ Š²aŠ½Ń ŠŗaŠŗ Š“eŠ»a?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:18:43 UTC No. 16327119
>>16327113
>TL;DR ULA is fucking boring and their top dogs don't understand that boring doesn't attract engineers.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:19:58 UTC No. 16327122
>>16327114
>nah bro it's fine to laugh at dead people in tranches who likely didn't volunteer to be there in the first place, it's totally normal maaan
Don't (you) me, turbofaggot.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:20:51 UTC No. 16327127
>>16327117
>try to sell ULA
>it's such a dead end that nobody wants it, now it's doomed to die alone
kek, shouldn't have spent all that time shilling "high energy" on building a competitive reusable rocket of the future, you fucking snake tory.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:21:16 UTC No. 16327129
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/statu
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:21:23 UTC No. 16327130
>>16327080
>Saturn V sticking through the ceiling
>V2 on display
Love this picture
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:22:36 UTC No. 16327134
Come on estronaut, I want to watch a kino
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:22:38 UTC No. 16327135
>>16327122
not what i said, you're delusional and you need to calm down, i'm also not the anon you were denying (you)'s to.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:23:06 UTC No. 16327137
>>16327113
A company with a clear and concise ājihadā is attractive and motivates workers internally
Just saying ābro we do NSSL launches like three times a year and our orbits are precise broā doesnāt cut it.
Just saying āmillions of people living and working in space uhhhhh eventuallyā doesnāt cut it.
Musk being VERY clear about Mars, Shotwell being very clear about Starship being a crazy but serious idea early in its BFR lifeā¦ these things make your workers go crazy and rally for the goal
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:23:32 UTC No. 16327139
>>16327135
Why are you replying? Fuck off.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:23:44 UTC No. 16327140
>>16326988
Why is there no art of an astronaut trying to pry starliner-chan off the ISS?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:25:13 UTC No. 16327142
>>16327129
thank you donald very cool
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:25:49 UTC No. 16327143
>>16327048
That's how it works in Terra Invicta, surely it should work in real life too.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:25:56 UTC No. 16327144
>>16327139
>because you're volatile and you liven up the thread.
did your parents never teach you not to do this? having a massive outburst like this only prompts more responses.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:25:59 UTC No. 16327145
>>16327135
>gap from grounding of fleet in 2024 is shorter than some random gaps in 2022
impressive
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:27:48 UTC No. 16327146
>>16327140
there should be art of an astronaut trying to pry her off with a crowbar while she grabs onto the station for dear life with tears in her eyes saying she can still do the mission.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:30:03 UTC No. 16327153
>16327144
Fuck off
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:31:02 UTC No. 16327154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsu
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:32:11 UTC No. 16327159
>>16327153
no lol, cry about it.
also, what do you think this is, plebbit? (you)'s are not updoots bro.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:33:32 UTC No. 16327162
>>16327154
estrokino.
shame we didn't get a bootleg version from chink-sama this time, would've been fun seeing him sperg out over it twice.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:33:48 UTC No. 16327163
>>16327146
That would be cute
>16327159
fuck off
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:34:17 UTC No. 16327164
>>16327162
chinks dont care about below orbit kek
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:34:45 UTC No. 16327165
>>16327154
Bezos is incredibly smart and wise
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:35:12 UTC No. 16327166
>>16327154
>1:09
>that's crazy
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:36:59 UTC No. 16327173
>>16327163
no lol, you gonna keep crying newfag-san?
also i should note that >>16327146 is also me lol.
get a grip, you need to calm down.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:37:00 UTC No. 16327174
I'm supposed to believe it's flying next month?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:38:03 UTC No. 16327177
>>16327166
HE SAID IT.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:38:44 UTC No. 16327181
>>16326812
>then I think you have a bunch of people with EDS that are...basically pro anything not musk
like that reddit thread where everyone was suggesting anything BUT spacex to rescue the astronauts. spacex was a nonstarter to them just because elon is ceo.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:38:45 UTC No. 16327183
>>16327154
Iāll watch it myself in a few hours when I get off work but do they show a flight ready booster at any point?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:41:05 UTC No. 16327187
>>16327117
>BO isnt buying ULA after all
its over
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:41:52 UTC No. 16327189
>>16327177
>1:20
>"i don't think people understand the scale!"
HE SAID IT AGAIN, ESTRONAUT DOES IT AGAIN.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:41:57 UTC No. 16327192
>>16327082
The Moon will definitely do ISRU propellants because they'll be cheaper for Moon launch than importing from Earth, but I definitely don't see Moon propellants competing with Earth launched propellants for anything inside Earth's sphere of influence except for the Moon's SOI obviously, plus maybe the lagrange points.
At some point rocket launch capacity from Earth will plateau, while activity in space will continue increasing. This will increase demand, which will increase the market price for Earth launched propellants. I think at some point, after we've already got bases on the Moon & Mars at minimum plus human asteroid missions, someone will decide to invest in some monstrous tanker that heads into the asteroid belt, mines & refines water ice into hydrolox (plus some carbon to make methalox cuz why not) and hauls it back to Earth. The mass delivered for this to make sense would likely need to be in the tens of kilotons at least, but that's easy if your vehicle was built & launched from the Moon.
This scenario does depend upon some kind of limit to the amount of mass we can launch to LEO annually of course, and hopefully it never comes to that, but we'll see.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:42:40 UTC No. 16327193
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:42:53 UTC No. 16327194
/sfg/ is healing.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:43:16 UTC No. 16327195
>>16327101
>that banding
disgusting
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:44:36 UTC No. 16327196
>>16327193
why did it take 6 months for them to release this video?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:44:40 UTC No. 16327197
>they're talking about the aerodynamic ring on new shepard
it IS a good design, it just has the unfortunate side-effect of making the entire rocket look like a fat chode with a glans and pealed back foreskin.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:45:32 UTC No. 16327200
>>16327195
Go there and fix it then, smart guy
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:46:54 UTC No. 16327205
>>16327122
>you don't understand, these men are human too they're just the way they are because of circumstance blah blah
Dogs that bite kids because they were neglected/abused by their owners are still bad dogs that should be put down. Yeah, it's tragic, get the fuck over it we live in the real world. One can have compassion for their enemy and have no remorse killing them, there's no contradiction there.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:48:03 UTC No. 16327206
Stop that
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:49:08 UTC No. 16327211
>>16327207
it is pretty cool that they have an X-33 umbilical
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:50:03 UTC No. 16327213
>>16327211
it would be pretty cool if BO went to orbit
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:50:20 UTC No. 16327214
>>16327207
Honestly having a variety of designs for things they intend to build just scattered around for easy reference doesnāt seem like a bad idea.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:51:28 UTC No. 16327215
as much as we call him the estronaut.
you have to recognize that this guy managed to get interviews and factory/launchpad tours with literally everyone working on spaceflight.
i'd like to see any of us do that lol, or any legacy journofag for that matter.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:52:02 UTC No. 16327216
>>16327215
the power of soi
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:52:13 UTC No. 16327217
>>16327215
I miss CostPlusContent.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:52:21 UTC No. 16327218
>>16327207
>x-33
>the subscale prototype of a pig of an SSTO that wouldn't have worked even with modern technology
>inspiring
lmao inspiring me to take a shit on all SSTO designs I guess
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:52:46 UTC No. 16327219
>>16327154
Yeah I skipped to the second stage section, as thatās what interests me, and itās clear that heās sort of just repeating stuff his engineers are telling him
I get that Musk does that too but Musk seems to go more into the weeds to the point where he can make an informed engineering decision. Bezos, contrasting, is saying stuff like
>Yeah the baffles do more work for the LOX
>Hey did you know a cubic foot of liquid hydrogen only weighs 4.4 pounds??
These are technical engineering points he was briefed over via a powerpoint and heās memorized them
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:52:56 UTC No. 16327220
the rocket names, saying that almost everything relevant was invented in the 60s and then going down into the sea to get the oldparts make all of this seem kind of cargo culty
does Bezos care advancing spaceflight?
kind of weird vibes
I mean its cool sure
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:54:00 UTC No. 16327222
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:54:11 UTC No. 16327223
>>16327218
STTO's are shit, but venturestar was kino and looked cool, just like the shittle.
you can't take that away from people, they will basedface over cool legacy hardware and there's nothing you can do to stop them.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:54:13 UTC No. 16327224
>>16327220
>cargo cult
Is that why they've never achieved orbit?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:54:29 UTC No. 16327225
why did that guy throw hundreds of millions into a dragon flight instead of investing it in newspace companies like axiom and intuitive machines?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:55:20 UTC No. 16327227
What if Rocketlab built an all-carbon-composites Venture Star that held methalox, and bought some Raptor 3 SL & vacuum engines for propulsion? would that be better than the original design?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:55:56 UTC No. 16327229
>>16327219
it's been obvious for a long time that bezos is a little bit jealous of elon's image as an engineer, he obviously wants to catch a bit of that glory for himself even though he's not a chief engineer.
if anything it makes the tour more interesting than if he was just stumbling around and hadn't memorized anything.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:56:03 UTC No. 16327231
>>16327015
Most moderate solution to the Russian problem
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:56:23 UTC No. 16327232
HOW ABOUT GOING TO FUCKING ORBIT N I G G E
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:56:45 UTC No. 16327234
>>16327223
There's plenty I can do actually, murder for instance
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:56:57 UTC No. 16327236
>>16327227
it would be better by a wide margin, but still far worse than building something equivalent size, mass and cost in a 2-stage format.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:57:58 UTC No. 16327240
>>16327234
they are equally as capable of killing you.
the reality of course is this is an empty threat and you'll never do it, they will continue to be happy and basedface, and you will continue to seethe.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:58:19 UTC No. 16327241
>>16327227
Anything would be better than the RS-2200
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:58:35 UTC No. 16327243
>>16327215
anyone could have done it by accruing enough pay piggies to get on the radar.
Bezos saw the space community fawn over the starship tours. He wants good PR and it takes two seconds to tell this dweeb to come look at your factory, take some good B-roll footage, memorize some technicals for the camera.
Estronaut only gets these because heās got strength in numbers (which is the real feat and Iām not going to downplay that, good for him. That takes effort and patience and is the actual hard part)
If you or I were internet famous for talking about rockets on camera instead of discussing it here on an underwater basket weaving forum, and you slowly started working your way up with networking and contacts and turned it into an actual business with business opportunities, then itās only a matter of time before your firefly interview leads to musk answering your questions on twitter which leads to a musk interview which leads to a bezos interview.
See my point?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:59:33 UTC No. 16327244
>>16327240
pointing out an example isn't making a threat, genius.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:00:16 UTC No. 16327247
>wow
>wow
>wow
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:00:22 UTC No. 16327248
>>16327223
SSTOs are real youāve seen them down at Mare Serenitatis
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:01:11 UTC No. 16327250
>>16327244
why make examples of things you could do, when you're not going to do them?
the oblivious basedface teamspacers don't have to do that, they will enjoy their cringe SSTO's and they will be happy.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:01:12 UTC No. 16327251
>>16327246
this is a common dome
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:02:19 UTC No. 16327252
>>16327251
The top of his head?
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:02:27 UTC No. 16327253
>>16326601
So Zubrin wants WW3 to ruin the Earth and force people to start going to Mars Directly?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:02:30 UTC No. 16327254
>>16327251
they couldn't find the uncommon dome.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:03:32 UTC No. 16327256
>>16326646
>It was going up to $11 billion, and we weren't even going to get a sample return until 2040. And that's the decade that we're going to land astronauts on Mars. So, something had to be done.
Why not do both? Send a $15 billion rover and a $100 billion Mars mission, have them meet up on the planet and do a photo op, then fly the rover back on the astronaut return ship.
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:03:54 UTC No. 16327258
>>16327253
i don't see how discouraging ziggers is going to start WW3
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:05:18 UTC No. 16327259
>>16326812
Can you imagine how people would react if someone running for office said they'd shut down the entire TSA and redirect the budget to NASA?
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:11:28 UTC No. 16327269
>>16326601
Too based for zigger loving /sfg/
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:12:22 UTC No. 16327271
>>16327250
Because we are having a discussion and you made a claim that I disagree with :) isn't this fun?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:13:03 UTC No. 16327272
>orthogrid is way better if you can get away with it, its easier to mill, much cheaper and also you can bumbform orthogrid
>isogrid you have to mill with a 5-axis machine after it has already been formed
>the advantage of isogrid is that its very high performing especially if you are taking loads in all directions
you have orthogrid on the inside of the tank (blue shit on top of it here) and isogrid on top of the common bulkhead around the downcomer hole
I wonder how much a New Glenn booster is going to cost compared to a Super Heavy? I guess the material is some aerospace grade lithium-aluminium alloy, more expensive than steel, but the real cost difference will probably be due to the difference in manufacturing costs
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:13:07 UTC No. 16327273
>>16327271
yes :)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:13:25 UTC No. 16327275
>>16327261
Sounds complex and expensive
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:14:43 UTC No. 16327279
>>16327273
I FUCKING LOVE COMMUNICATION
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:15:48 UTC No. 16327282
>>16327154
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:16:23 UTC No. 16327285
>>16327272
spacex uses welded stringers which are slightly lower performance than milled ortho/isogrids but far lower cost.
blue origin is obviously going to have a slightly higher-breakeven point in terms of launches per booster because they're going with a higher cost-per booster philosophy similar to ULA.
it does mean high performance of course, but spacex makes up for that by having much much better engine design.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:16:42 UTC No. 16327286
Just a reminder that Falcon 9 uses a vastly cheaper structural design for both stages involving zero milling, and the result is lighter & stronger than both isogrid and orthogrid construction.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:17:22 UTC No. 16327288
>>16327272
Hey guess what idiot itās even cheaper to just have mexicans do superwelds lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:17:24 UTC No. 16327289
>>16327279
it's insane, it's crazy.
l-like even if you showed it in a picture m-most people wouldn't even know how cool communication is until you put them in a room with it *awkward laugh*
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:17:37 UTC No. 16327290
It's readily apparent how much more complicated these rockets are to build as compared to Starship. Not a good thing.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:18:41 UTC No. 16327291
>>16327285
Falcon 9's tanks are lighter than they would be if they had milled isogrids etc, actually. SpaceX chose a design with a large gap between the walls and stringers, which ended up being stringer and stiffer per unit mass than milled supports.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:18:51 UTC No. 16327293
>>16327286
i very seriously doubt it's lighter and stronger.
it's slightly less lighter and stronger than milled stuff, but it is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:19:46 UTC No. 16327294
>>16327208
heās unironically right about that, Iāll give it to him. BE-4 is kinda ugly though kek
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:20:05 UTC No. 16327295
>>16327289
that is in-SANE!!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:20:36 UTC No. 16327296
>>16327292
it's the same process that ULA uses.
so far it's clear from this that blue origin mostly uses very traditional oldspace methods of manufacturing.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:20:47 UTC No. 16327297
>>16327246
I donāt wanna know where those fingers have been yeesh
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:23:01 UTC No. 16327302
>>16327290
Not the end of the world though either. Probably not even the end of new glenn.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:23:25 UTC No. 16327303
>>16327293
I know the anon you replied to was talking about F9 but SS tanks are also welded and reinforced and they can withstand insane amounts of pressure. Itās stronger in that sense, Iād argue
And now that it seems SX are committed to processing SS horizontally then itās got to be at least as strong as a reinforced milled tank
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:25:11 UTC No. 16327305
>you have a little airlock here for the clean room, we want to keep the inside of the tank clean
>we will put a little suit on and you can poke your head in, what you will see in here, lot of it is covered in plastic, youll see the cryo helium bottles
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:25:22 UTC No. 16327306
>>16327303
milling orthogrids in steel would also be an EVEN MORE awful process as compared to aluminium, so it's defacto the best option either way.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:25:49 UTC No. 16327307
>>16327298
does he just point the whole time?
>>16327302
Itās how you get an oldspace rocket. Theyāre constructing it like an XL Vulcan-Centaur. Not great when you are competing with a company like SX who are going to leave you in the dust with orders of magnitude in production output and cost reduction
>>16327252
kek
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:26:39 UTC No. 16327308
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:27:43 UTC No. 16327309
>>16327308
>not many people have been inside a big LH2 tank
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:27:56 UTC No. 16327310
This tour kills spacexsters. bezos is actually smarter and more articulate than musk. Dim Todd is actually overwelmed and speechless
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:28:14 UTC No. 16327311
/sfg/ is a hivemind we're all watching the same video and pausing to comment on the same things at the same time.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:28:32 UTC No. 16327312
>>16327305
Iām asking in good faith, what is the point of this when SpaceX has gotten a super heavy rocket to space by building it basically outdoors like a DIY hobby project??
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:29:30 UTC No. 16327314
It feels like the tour instead of dispelling, actually reinforces the notion that BO is old space making a new product with all the old space techniques and corresponding shortcomings. You can't help but think SpaceX does it a lot cheaper and quicker without sacrificing much performance.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:29:35 UTC No. 16327316
>>16327307
a *reusable* oldspace rocket, a *reusable* vulcan centaur xl. Big distinction. Makes the expensive slow production methods less problematic.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:30:03 UTC No. 16327318
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:30:38 UTC No. 16327319
>>16327313
sorry that he has to catch strays here but that camera āmanā has some female birthing hips :/
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:31:11 UTC No. 16327320
>>16327312
might be warranted when you are working with hydrogen, the LNG tank didn't seem to get the same clean room treatment >>16327272
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:31:39 UTC No. 16327321
>>16327316
I suppose itās fine when their aspirational max is only 25 reuses. This thing is going to fly maybe 10 times a year max, and thatās going to be a long time from now anyways
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:35:01 UTC No. 16327323
Their expendable Stage 2 is going to be their bottleneck, that thing is yuge and complicated
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:35:58 UTC No. 16327325
>>16327320
just another reason why hydrogen is such a bitch to work with, i can understand using it for 2nd stages but all it's downsides really make it seem like a terrible idea for anything else.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:36:06 UTC No. 16327326
>>16327320
interesting observation I wonder why that is?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:37:21 UTC No. 16327328
>>16327293
It is actually lighter. For an identical amount of structural mass you can standoff the stiffeners multiple times further from the tank walls. The increased distance makes the tank stiffer for the same reason a 1lb/foot aluminum square tube is stiffer than a 1lb/foot round bar.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:38:05 UTC No. 16327329
>>16327328
Amazing actually
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:40:35 UTC No. 16327335
>>16327331
lmfao
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:40:41 UTC No. 16327336
>>16327329
you could say it's insane.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:42:07 UTC No. 16327340
>>16327192
>they'll be cheaper for Moon launch than importing from Earth
I'm not even sure that's true. It take a lot of industry to make prop on Earth where there's oceans full of the components. On the moon with no supply chain, much more expensive labor and operating conditions, and water as some percent component of the rocks? I'm not sure how you reach a price point where it's reasonable to do that.
>This scenario does depend upon some kind of limit to the amount of mass we can launch to LEO annually
Bureaucracy constraints would do it, yeah. I didn't think about that. As a technology problem, Starship means earth is a 100% exporter of all resources aside from maybe gravel for shielding. If Earth limits launches too much your cost comparisons change. Even then I wonder if it would be cheaper to convince Australia to use some of it's uninhabited coastline for a spaceport than set up heavy industries on Mars
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:43:59 UTC No. 16327345
>>16327310
It's not hard to be more articulate than musk.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:44:26 UTC No. 16327348
>>16327196
Have to review every frame of footage for potential ITAR violations
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:45:16 UTC No. 16327349
>the fabric covering is our thermal insulation, we developed ourselves, its highly reusable, it has been tested on new shepard
>this vehicle comes in mach 6 and goes through some quite extreme heating enviroments
>we have developed painstakingly a very capable reusable that doesnt need to be touched up
>not just reusability, operable reusability, this ship has been designed to be turned around in 16 days
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:46:05 UTC No. 16327351
>>16327192
>monstrous tanker that heads into the asteroid belt, mines & refines water ice into hydrolox
As a percent of launch cost, the fuel launched from Earth is a rounding error. I'd be skeptical if this approach is ever cheaper than filling up a large depot in LEO and launching that to the belt
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:46:41 UTC No. 16327353
>new glenn can hover
this will make things easier for them since their algorithms probably aren't as good as spacex's yet.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:48:47 UTC No. 16327356
>there are 4 fixed engines that don't gimbal and a line of 3 engines through the middle that can
looks like he's been learning from ol' musky.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:49:22 UTC No. 16327357
>>16327129
Is this real?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:49:57 UTC No. 16327360
>>16327353
it's the same as new shephard, starship can too
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:50:12 UTC No. 16327361
>the dry mass of this vehicle is only 200.000 pounds
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:51:06 UTC No. 16327363
>there are 6 landing gear, the landing gear start to deploy 14s before landing, takes them 8s to deploy
>the deploy is gravity assisted, there is a lot of effort into making the landing gear light weight, its parasitic mass compared to a expendable vehicle
>we have learned a lot about this with new shepard and we are able to take those lessons and put them in here
>if you have 3 landing gear, you need to have very big landing gear to get the same probability of falling over
>so you are trading the [amount of splay or length of legs] with the amount of legs [to get the same probability of tipping over]
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:51:13 UTC No. 16327364
>>16327360
of course, but spacex had to learn how to do things the hard way with falcon's hoverslam.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:52:38 UTC No. 16327365
>new glenn won't be doing RTLS, only downrange recovery
>we might do it later, but it's a big performance penalty.
seems strange, i expect they will be launching many light payloads as well where RTLS will be well worth it.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:52:48 UTC No. 16327368
>>16327363
>we like 6 before it fits together very well with 7 engines, you have a leg between every engine
>center engine and a ring of 6, packages well
>each engine has its own eyeball shield, the same technology we use on New Shepard
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:54:06 UTC No. 16327370
>>16327365
Donāt they have a SX RTLS pad they could use nearby? It just seems funny to me to do down range recovery for something comically small like escapade
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:54:12 UTC No. 16327371
>>16327365
At first they won't need the lessened turnaround time that RTLS provides. Worth it for them to use a droneship and better performance to begin with.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:57:24 UTC No. 16327377
>>16327340
Making hydrolox is simple, and it'll be sourced from the water ice in the polar craters. Moon launch will primarily be done using electromagnetic launch systems pretty much as soon as the capability to build them exists (they are not complex and don't require advanced tech or materials, they're just gonna be big).
The raw cost of making propellants on the Moon will be low. However, water on the Moon is a limited resource as you pointed out, so Moon space launch architecture has a strong natural incentive to avoid propellant use. With EM launch the propellants are only needed for orbital maneuvering and for landing the rocket stage that does the orbital maneuvering.
The result will be that the Moon will be able to launch a ton of mass with very low propellant requirements, proportionally. There will not be an enormous demand for propellants on the Moon, meanwhile there will be an enormous demand for Earth launched propellants in LEO. Rather than buying Earth props at an even worse cost disadvantage (since you must burn so much propellant just to send propellant to the Moon), I believe it will be more economical for the Moon industries to make their own propellants in-situ.
I actually think the Moon will be more strongly incentivized to start mining asteroids for water etc than Earth will, because they are more likely to be in a spot where bringing in huge amounts of propellants from the outer asteroid belt makes economic sense vs buying it from Earth.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:58:01 UTC No. 16327379
targeting 16 day turnaround, soonā¢
They hope to pump out one BE-4 every three days next year
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:00:46 UTC No. 16327385
>we do an exoatmospheric deceleration burn is very short
>we have big strakes so the vehicles ballistic coefficient including the strakes allows us to be very fuel efficient
>we did these trades and the strakes always wanted to be bigger, the landing propellant is so heavy, anything you can do to shorten that exoatmospheric burn turns out to win out to a point
>you will see one of the strakes later on the mid module
>we need to understand our heating enviroment better which we will do after the first flight
>we want to learn whatever we can learn on the ground and with simulations but there are some things you can only learn in flight
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:01:39 UTC No. 16327387
>>16327340
>Even then I wonder if it would be cheaper to convince Australia to use some of it's uninhabited coastline for a spaceport than set up heavy industries on Mars
It will immediately be cheaper to smelt local regolith into metals & form them into products day 1 of landing on Mars, and the Moon will follow very soon after. Cannot overstate the value of being able to print replacement structural parts in-situ, rather than needing to pack them along or wait for replacements. Remember, this tech is all fairly well understood, the real difficulty is trying to get something that works reliably in the first place. It's not like the tech stays hard once you solve the problems.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:02:44 UTC No. 16327389
>>16327154
Holy shit, is Bezos really losing his mind? That is a very expensive way to build a rocket!
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:02:46 UTC No. 16327390
>>16326601
>>16326687
Zubrin's political leanings are incredibly schizo
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:03:54 UTC No. 16327391
kind of weird they haven't just launched if they think they might not even need the thermal protection system or the exoatmospheric burn
should have just launched years ago to get the data
is Bezos somehow scared of "failing" on a test flight? taking that right out of old space thinking
just launch and let them explode, who cares
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:06:03 UTC No. 16327392
>>16327389
This thing is very overwrought. 16 day turnaround my ass.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:06:31 UTC No. 16327393
>the operating range is 60 degrees
>these fins move fast, these are the largest hydraulic actuators on a space surface probably ever
>5 times bigger than the actuator used on the shuttle SRB thrust vector control systems
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:07:20 UTC No. 16327394
>>16327351
In our current space economy, propellants are very cheap. Once we have a serious space economy though, activity will be hard limited by the mass delivery rate of propellant to space, which will make finding alternate sources of propellant desireable. It's not so much any inherent monetary cost, it's that there will be vicious competition for a limited amount of propellant, because there WILL be a scramble for outer space, ie there will be way more demand than even a fleet of 1000 Starships could satisfy.
Please note that I DO NOT view this as a problem for Starship, at all. My thoughts are analogous to a guy talking about the eventual need for rapidly reusable rockets in 1958. Basically this is a pseudointellectual circlejerk session.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:07:33 UTC No. 16327395
>>16327393
>hydraulics
ngmi.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:08:21 UTC No. 16327399
>>16327361
200 pounds?? To three decimal places???
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:10:01 UTC No. 16327403
>>16327393
>thatās crazy
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:10:12 UTC No. 16327404
>>16327365
New Glenn is poorly suited for RTLS because the upper stage is low mass & low thrust. Hydrolox upper stages are not very good at fighting gravity losses to get up the "hill".
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:10:37 UTC No. 16327405
>>16327403
WOW
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:11:06 UTC No. 16327407
>>16327399
yes, obviously, you're very good at reading.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:12:00 UTC No. 16327410
The whole thing is just really old space building reusable rocket
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:12:51 UTC No. 16327412
>>16327404
that's a good point, i had second stage TWR rolling around in the back of my head somewhere and it sounds about right.
new glenn will probably stage very late for a re-useable stage, because stage 2 needs all the loft it can get to fight gravity losses, which means it has to fight even harder to turn it's trajectory all the way around, as it's further downrange and going at higher speed.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:13:08 UTC No. 16327413
>>16327399
The power of neo-oldspace mass autism is unrivaled.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:15:25 UTC No. 16327416
>>16327391
Estronauts video confirms what we were all thinking: Blue Origin runs like an oldspace company, and everything that implies. If they didn't have jeff's money & more importantly the non-moving goalpost he set, they'd just be another ULA (but probably would have simply died off long ago)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:16:48 UTC No. 16327419
>>16327407
A decimal place was used. What, are you from one of those faggot countries that uses a comma as a decimal and vice versa? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:18:35 UTC No. 16327421
>>16327377
I'm not buying it. Operational costs would be so extraordinarily high compared to Earth that cheaper Starships would make the most sense. You need to get all these facilities up there and then operate them. We'll see how it shakes out but I'm skeptical.
>>16327387
Mars we're on the same page, but the moon doesn't even have carbon for steel. Aluminum takes like 50% the mass of aluminum in carbon to produce. So your two big sources of dumb mass are out unless you import fucking coal to the moon, which while being among the funniest things I can imagine, likely won't happen. That's why I say gravel for shielding. Bag it up, set it on a long launch rail, catch it in lunar orbit and tie it to the exterior of your Aldrin Cycler or whatever you're building. Anything beyond that is questionable. Moon industrialization has some pretty fundamental problems
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:19:24 UTC No. 16327422
>>16327419
>he's seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:21:07 UTC No. 16327427
>>16327394
Oh I should add, I'm only considering chemical propulsion for orbital maneuvering when discussing this topic, because electric rockets have characteristics way outside my intuition, plus they're slower for going between Earth & Mars anyway (even worse for Earth-Moon, though maybe good for Moon-Lagrange points?). Likewise, nuclear propulsion including fusion is not considered.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:21:34 UTC No. 16327428
>that little propaganda moment
d-did he unironically pay one of his workers to come up and give him a compliment?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:21:36 UTC No. 16327429
>>16327422
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:22:35 UTC No. 16327430
>>16327429
>no coherent response
>angry brain is on autopilot and just resorts to "no u"
now he's seething 1.000.000 times harder.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:23:28 UTC No. 16327432
>>16327430
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:24:11 UTC No. 16327433
>>16327311
> What! A live watch thread? On MY 4chins!
Sorry you're mad, but try to cry quietly.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:24:40 UTC No. 16327435
>>16327432
>completely mindbroken
>brain doesn't want to admit defeat so it continues on autopilot
10.000 years from now people will be studying this guy's posts and laughing at him.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:25:54 UTC No. 16327436
>>16327433
who said he was mad about it?
sounds like projection, buddy.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:25:54 UTC No. 16327437
>>16327435
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:26:24 UTC No. 16327438
>>16327428
Yeah, he was jealous of that mexican worker who hugged Elon.
>we all gonna make it
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:27:52 UTC No. 16327439
/sfg/ is alive.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:28:33 UTC No. 16327440
>>16327421
>Operational costs would be so extraordinarily high compared to Earth that cheaper Starships would make the most sense. You need to get all these facilities up there and then operate them.
"Facilities"
A few 40 foot shipping containers' worth of volume would hold the equipment necessary to turn dirty ice into hydrolox at a rate of dozens of tons per 24 hours, the actual bottleneck is power supply but making solar arrays on the Moon will be easy and so will setting up high voltage transmission lines. Operational costs will be equivalent to the cost of running a small open pit mine, except with less labor cost. I feel the need to reiterate here that there is nothing about being on the Moon that means tech will need to be complex or expensive. What the tech will actually need to be is compatible with the lunar environment, which can be done very cheaply if you aren't designing it to be as light as possible and fit into a rocket and you have almost no prior art to draw from.
This is a long term scenario, not 2040, more like 2080 or 2100. We will have decades of permanent human inhabitation of the Moon in our past. We will have entire books of engineering standards and moon-compatible hardware patents. The days of "space is hard :(" failures will be long gone.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:28:53 UTC No. 16327442
>>16327437
>>16327432
>>16327429
mindbroken
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:29:23 UTC No. 16327444
>>16327439
but at what cost?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:30:05 UTC No. 16327446
>>16327416
He could effectively triple or quadruple the money at Blue Origin and Iām confident it wouldnāt change a thing. The culture there has already been set in stone and thereās no transitioning upward
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:30:36 UTC No. 16327448
>>16327421
I'm pretty sure the moon has some CO2 in the same vapor trap craters that has water ice
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:30:54 UTC No. 16327449
Guys I found it, the most retarded space article I've ever read
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:31:02 UTC No. 16327451
holy fuck is bezos charismatic
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:31:32 UTC No. 16327453
>>16327444
the human condition.
people will get used to /sfg/ being alive and then get mad that it's too alive, that it was better when it was more dead.
the grass is always greener on the other side.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:31:33 UTC No. 16327454
>>16327448
Carbon deposits of any kind on the Moon are scarce as far as we can tell so far
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:32:31 UTC No. 16327455
>>16327449
All the more reason to annex them.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:33:53 UTC No. 16327457
>interviews used to be interesting
>now 99% of it is talking about woah how big everything is and how hard the scale is to understand
yes, we get it's fucking big.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:35:14 UTC No. 16327462
>>16327455
china's the only one in a position to annex them atm.
for the US it would be a logistical nightmare and russia's army is currently busy getting mauled in ukraine, they don't really have the troops or resources for a 2-front war.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:35:30 UTC No. 16327463
>>16327440
But digging it up? Storing and moving it? Maintaining all of that? Maintaining the people that maintain even a mostly automated system? The problem with imagining costs going down in the future is that it leaves us in the same place, where launch costs are also lower.
>>16327448
I'm pretty sure the levels are so low you'd have an easier time harvesting carbon from astronaut shit. Steel or aluminum on the moon means importing carbon
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:38:14 UTC No. 16327467
>>16327463
https://news.agu.org/press-release/
the overall level doesn't matter if you have a cold trap with concentrated CO2
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:38:17 UTC No. 16327468
Bezos thought this would make him look good? was that the goal here?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:38:44 UTC No. 16327469
>>16327154
>aluminum isomeme
>hydraulic actuators
>2 different engine types, one is a hydromeme
>it requires a clean room for the 2nd stage fuel tank
>6(six) landing legs
>huge carbon fiber fairing that probably takes a year to make and requires a huge machine, so probably a future bottleneck
>expendable 2nd stage
I feel bad for Jeff. His heart seems to be in the right place, but he got scammed by oldspace. I don't see how he can scale any of this.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:39:03 UTC No. 16327470
>>16327421
The Moon does have carbon, but more importantly, we don't actually need it for industrialization.
>steel needs carbon
Chromium steel needs no carbon, though adding carbon does increase the strength & toughness a bit. It's still strobger & tougher than cast iron & we build shit out of cast all the time.
>aluminum requires carbon
The most economical aluminum smelt process we use here requires carbon, but to say smelting aluminum in general requires carbon is incorrect. There's many zero-carbon methods to skin that cat, ie molten oxide electrolysis.
Early materials for construction on the Moon will include basalt based materials, from dumb things like aggregate roadways all the way to woven basalt fiber textiles and even basalt fiber reinforced cermets. There will also be plenty of unalloyed iron (a soft but strong & useful metal) and unalloyed aluminum (obviously useful, can be made into the aforementioned cermets). Chromic steel will be available in quantity as well, and will likely be used for things like bearing surfaces. Aluminum wires will be used in power transmission cables and in motor windings.
All of the above materials can be made on the Moon with existing technology & in processes with no requirement for imported consumables.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:39:46 UTC No. 16327472
I'm glad for Tim, great video. Suprised at how legitimately excited Jeff was to show off.
You can stop spamming now.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:39:56 UTC No. 16327474
>>16327442
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:40:04 UTC No. 16327476
>>16327435
A decade from now?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:40:39 UTC No. 16327477
>>16327396
Because they had nothing in there?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:41:04 UTC No. 16327478
>>16327468
yes
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:41:12 UTC No. 16327479
>>16327439
it's because I chose to post instead of work today (I have an extremely tight deadline that I'm blowing off cuz I don't feel like doing it)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:42:42 UTC No. 16327480
>>16327446
Correct, but I didn't state otherwise. I said that without unlimited money from jeff they would have gone bankrupt ages ago due to being uncompetitive, because they're old space without the MIC politics to keep them on life support.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:42:52 UTC No. 16327481
>>16327477
plenty of stuff there like computers, hydraulic control boxes and other stuff but I guess its ITAR or something that BO didn't want to show
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:43:33 UTC No. 16327483
>>16327468
>Bezos thought this would make him look good?
(he was right)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:44:30 UTC No. 16327484
>"y'know i think a lot of people don't always, y'know...so far the public has really mostly seen new shepard and they think uh..of a certain scale and certain size. and they're just gonna be blindsided! i don't think the average person understands how big new glenn is. and how just ddtt-total y'know ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER!"
i am going to go fucking insane
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:44:52 UTC No. 16327487
>>16327467
Will all of the infrastructure and operation around digging that up and processing it be cheaper than sending a Starship load of coal?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:45:31 UTC No. 16327489
>>16327437
>>16327432
>>16327429
>>16327474
mindbroken.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:49:03 UTC No. 16327500
>>16327489
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:49:13 UTC No. 16327501
>>16327347
So they don't even have a fully constructed rocket? just random bits lying around on the floor?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:51:27 UTC No. 16327505
i just noticed estronaut has special safety glasses that are built so they can sit around his regular glasses that he's still wearing lol.
WHAT A FUCKING NERD.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:52:08 UTC No. 16327506
>>16327463
>digging it up
A machine with the equivalent mass-moving power of a normal skid steer on Earth could easily keep up with a process that demanded a few hundred tonnes of input per 24 hours. No question about that at all.
>storage
Serendipetously, the polar craters that hold the water ice on the Moon are literally the coldest place in the solar system, to the point that *passive* cooling is likely enough to store hydrolox. The tanks themselves don't need to be fancy at all, storing hydrogen is actually not difficult if you don't care about the mass of your storage tank and aren't in a hot environment like Earth's surface or in sunlight in space.
>the problrm with costs going down etc
You're hung up on cost magnitide here. I'm talking about relative cost, ie, what does 1000t of hydrolox shipped to the Moon's surface from Earth cost in 2080 compared to the cost of 1000t of lunar hydrolox from the south pole.
The Moon has every incentive to industrialize even if shipping from Earth is literally free, because there's only so much that Earth can actually ship up per year. Infinity rockets isn't possible, so there WILL be a practical upper limit of transported mass from Earth, which WILL limit how much space activity can exist that depends on Earth. People living in space will want more room, more stuff, more capability all the time, just like we do here, so they will try to get independent of Earth for anything that they can economically do themselves, and making propellant is very low hanging fruit.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:52:27 UTC No. 16327507
>>16327437
>>16327432
>>16327429
>>16327474
>>16327500
mindbroken.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:52:29 UTC No. 16327508
>for GS2 we are going to move to monocoque tanks, we are getting rid of the orthogrid
>we found enough performance in other places so we dont need the performance for orthogrid
>we are going to keep it for GS1 because GS1 is reusable, it makes more economic sense for a reusable article when that cost of the orthogrid gets amortized over 25 flights
>the mass penalty going monocoque [on the second stage] is not huge and the cost saving is justified, we have found performance on GS2 in other places, for instance the BE-3U engine is coming in at 172k lbf instead of 160k lbf
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:53:14 UTC No. 16327512
>>16327507
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:53:52 UTC No. 16327516
>>16327487
yes almost certainly if you need it for industrial production
you are going to need to go to the cold traps anyway for water ice
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:54:34 UTC No. 16327518
>>16327505
There's nothing special about them, they're just normal safety glasses.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:55:10 UTC No. 16327521
>>16327487
There's zero need to import carbon to the Moon for the purposes of making metals from lunar soil. None. Moon industries will simply produce products using materials that aren't carbon steel (and no, you don't need carbon to make aluminum).
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:55:10 UTC No. 16327522
>>16327501
this was in May 30 >>16327193
so 2,5 months ago
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:56:11 UTC No. 16327524
>>16327437
>>16327432
>>16327429
>>16327474
>>16327500
>>16327512
mindbroken.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:56:12 UTC No. 16327525
>>16327501
This interview was filmed in May
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:57:13 UTC No. 16327526
"y'know i think a lot of people don't always, y'know...so far the public has really mostly seen new shepard and they think uh..of a certain scale and certain size. and they're just gonna be blindsided! i don't think the average person understands how big new glenn is. and how just ddtt-total y'know ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER!"
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:57:32 UTC No. 16327527
>>16327512
>>16327524
You two should DEFINITELY keep this going.
I'm the original guy who pointed and laughed at using a decimal to denote multiples of 1000 btw
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:58:17 UTC No. 16327529
>>16327506
>Serendipetously, the polar craters that hold the water ice on the Moon are literally the coldest place in the solar system, to the point that *passive* cooling is likely enough to store hydrolox
Well that's fucking awesome, I didn't consider that. Huh
>there's only so much that Earth can actually ship up per year
Starship is designed for the fleet to launch thousands of times a year. Lunar ISRU was the NASA plan before cheap upmass was solved for. I think the Starship paradigm changes your constraints. We'll see I guess
>>16327521
Man if you can find a way to make aluminum without carbon anodes you'll be rich
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 17:59:47 UTC No. 16327533
>we are also working on a reusable second stage
>we are going to let that be a horse race, the goal for expendable stage is going to be that its so cheap to manufacture that re usability never makes sense
>the goal of the reusable second stage is to become so operable that expendability never makes sense
>when you do that trade on paper, its just not obvious
>on the first stage its blindingly obvious
>for the second stage its an interesting horse race
>we are going to go barreling down both paths and try to figure which one is better, its just about the cost end of the day
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:00:07 UTC No. 16327535
>>16327524
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:00:33 UTC No. 16327536
>>16327527
>retard feels embarrassed and is trying to denounce himself as the mindbroken guy who got angry that someone didn't use a comma
lol.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:01:28 UTC No. 16327541
>Yeah everything was already invented so we're not going to improve on it, just make it cheaper
Bezos is a boring fuck and he's building boring fucking rockets.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:01:37 UTC No. 16327543
>>16327437
>>16327432
>>16327429
>>16327474
>>16327500
>>16327512
>>16327535
mindbroken.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:01:41 UTC No. 16327544
>>16327527
I just thought it was funny how he repeated himself. Don't even know what the argument was about.
Haven't gotten a single captcha btw
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:02:37 UTC No. 16327546
>>16327522
>>16327525
Ah right, that makes sense. I do wonder how much further along they are now 2.5 months later though.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:02:41 UTC No. 16327547
>>16327543
>seething over seething over a point being used instead of a comma
damn this guy's seething.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:03:48 UTC No. 16327550
>Tim: Where are you on that reusable second stage?
>Jeff: We have a design, we are doing a lot of development on a thermal protection system
>for a reusable second stage there is an interesting trade between aluminum and stainless, because of the higher thermal properties of stainless, its possible for it to trade better than aluminium for a reusable second stage, it gives you some benefit on re-entry
>its not totally obvious because you still have thermal protection systems and if those work correctly, there are some advantages to the aluminium because you can get better structural mass properties
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:04:03 UTC No. 16327551
>he's now samefagging to absolve himself of his autism anger where he got mad that someone used a comma and not a dot
>also implying anyone other than him started with mindlessly repeating himself
embarrassing.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:04:54 UTC No. 16327552
>>16327541
Name three (3) relevant, major technologies or concepts that weren't already done or explored in the 70s (half a century ago) and haven't been applied to rocketry already
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:05:13 UTC No. 16327553
BE4 will never iterate meaningfully
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:05:32 UTC No. 16327555
>>16327505
They make sunglasses like that too
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:06:18 UTC No. 16327556
>>16327552
>People have been super ultra conservative about designs since 1970 therefore we must continue that
Spotted the ULA employee.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:07:26 UTC No. 16327557
>its about the practicalities of thermal protection systems, how much refurbishment do you need to do
so why not do hardware rich testing then? seems like an obvious solution to this if there are some things you can't simulate
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:07:35 UTC No. 16327558
>>16327551
>>16327547
>>16327544
>>16327543
>>16327536
>>16327535
>>16327527
>>16327524
>>16327512
>>16327507
>>16327500
>>16327489
>>16327474
>>16327442
>>16327437
>>16327435
>>16327432
>>16327430
>>16327429
>>16327422
>>16327419
>>16327407
>>16327399
>>16327361
all me btw
this was to illustrate what happens when you get angry when someone uses a dot.
it leads nowhere, and it will increase your level of schizophrenia by 100.000x
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:07:42 UTC No. 16327559
>>16327529
>Starship is designed for the fleet to launch thousands of times a year.
I know. This entire conversation is about what happens when Starship is launching 1000s of times per year and cannot keep up with propellant demand anymore.
>aluminum smelting without carbon electrodes
You do realize that even if we didn't just go to a platinum or iridium electrode, we would be able to capture all of the offgassing CO2 and pyrolyse it back into carbon to reform the electrodes, right?
I think you need to stop thinking in terms of what's economical on Earth, it makes about as much sense as trying to imagine a Lunar mining operation using diesel-burning machines.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:09:10 UTC No. 16327562
>>16327558
damn ur me?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:09:15 UTC No. 16327563
>>16327536
It's funny because you're wrong :)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:09:47 UTC No. 16327565
>>16327562
yes.
hey guys look at this vulcan's teeth, aint that cool?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:09:55 UTC No. 16327566
>>16327558
Seething
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:10:24 UTC No. 16327567
>>16327544
captcha simply wasn't required
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:10:38 UTC No. 16327568
>>16327036
>>16327044
>>16327054
>>16327066
>>16327076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2f
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:11:07 UTC No. 16327569
>next year we will build a BE-4 every three days
>we already have two complete shipsets sitting at Vulcan and a third shipset about to ship there too
>the new glenn engines are all in assembly for flight 1
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:12:46 UTC No. 16327574
>>16327563
>>16327566
>i'm mad so this makes you wrong
err, that's super heckin' not how it works chief.
i'll bet you 30.000 dollars that nobody cares and you had a massive spergout for no reason.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:12:56 UTC No. 16327575
>>16327331
that was only about the second stage, the first stage is going to continue to use orthogrid
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:13:18 UTC No. 16327577
>>16327574
Kek ur assblasted
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:14:32 UTC No. 16327579
>>16327469
won't be able to compete with starship, but maybe it will have cheaper mass to orbit than Falcon 9, though better cadence seems kind of unlikely
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:14:41 UTC No. 16327580
>>16327574
I made one post laughing at your incorrect use of the decimal, and a different anon started trolling you, I'm sorry if that breaks your heart.
I'll take my thirty dollars now, thanks.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:15:43 UTC No. 16327583
>>16327579
I think their cost per kilo will be similar enough that F9's higher cadence will arguably become more important.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:16:54 UTC No. 16327586
I have brought /sfg/ back to life, and I couldn't have done it without you anons <3
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:17:51 UTC No. 16327588
>>16327559
I mean that far in the future I think we're talking about something other than Starship. If the extraterrestrial economy is so well established that thousands of Starships can't keep up with demand then at some point a government is going to build some Issac Arthur tier launch tube.
>Pyrolyzing CO2
Well God damn if you have more energy than carbon I guess you would do that
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:18:48 UTC No. 16327589
>>16327585
Escapade so smol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:22:44 UTC No. 16327596
>>16327568
>listen through entire thing
>they mention giving 5B dollars to assist ukraine in it's economic endeavours and the building of it's modern democracy
this is the best /pol/schizo's can do?
that's your evidence for the coup? so basically the title is clickbait and you didn't actually listen to this talk at all, did you? this is sad, you've been very properly demoralized, a useful idiot, so to speak.
you replied hours later to an off-topic conversation that was already done in order to rant and rave about a conspiracy theory lol.
ukraine is an independent country, it ousted it's russian puppet government of it's own free will and it steers it's own ship, cope and seethe nigger.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:25:42 UTC No. 16327601
>>16327577
>>16327580
>he says, tears streaming down his eyes, his keyboard wet.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:27:48 UTC No. 16327607
>>16327596
>modern democracy
lmao, do you know what that really means? it's like saying the US paid for the iraq war to bring democracy there :^)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:28:16 UTC No. 16327610
>>16327568
you live in an alternate reality, what's wrong with you? the CIA fucking sucks at doing coups, you're a moron.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:28:47 UTC No. 16327611
>>16327588
>I mean that far in the future I think we're talking about something other than Starship
A bottleneck will exist regardless. Even if it's transient, and even if the bottleneck is really just propellant prices rising enough to be uncomfortable, Lunar propellant for Lunar use will happen.
>Well God damn if you have more energy than carbon I guess you would do that
Lunar industries will unironically have more energy availability than they will know what to do with, and besides, the refining of aluminum will take far more electrical energy than the CO2 pyrolysis and reforming of the carbon rods.
Also, check out the wikipedia article on aluminum smelting for the section on inert electrodes (non carbon based electrodes) that are already used in industry.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:29:05 UTC No. 16327613
>>16326646
Why does the paper start off as money and not blank? What is the printer even doing in that case?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:29:09 UTC No. 16327614
>>16327596
>>16327610
>samefagging and seething this hard
you mad af bro, like, really fucking mad
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:29:42 UTC No. 16327616
>>16327607
>modern democracy
>Y-Y-YOU KNOW W-WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS???!! IT'S A CODEWORD!
are you hearing yourself anon?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:30:25 UTC No. 16327617
>>16327601
coper's gonna cope ;)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:30:50 UTC No. 16327618
>>16327568
can you keep this conspiracy shit on your tourist board please?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:32:56 UTC No. 16327621
>>16327614
stop responding to off-topic discussions that were already over, retard.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:33:07 UTC No. 16327622
>>16327611
>inert electrodes (non carbon based electrodes) that are already used in industry
Well that puts that to bed, lunar coal deliveries never
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:34:16 UTC No. 16327624
>>16327621
sorry ;^;
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:34:56 UTC No. 16327625
>>16327611
>already used in industry
As far as I'm aware, no inert anodes are actually used in primary production. The most promising inert anode materials are beyond our ability to actually shape into anodes right now
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:35:34 UTC No. 16327626
>>16327623
404??? With or without nozzle extension? That's abysmal for hydrolox in vacuum
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:36:17 UTC No. 16327627
>>16327621
no he's right, i'm in >>16327614 his walls.
i've also installed multiple speakers around his house in order to gaslight him.
eventually our planted cops will catch him talking to nobody and he'll be arrested and sent off to a ward.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:36:32 UTC No. 16327628
>>16327585
lol one giant ass rocket and it all amounts to two little cubesats that are going to sit on this tiny pedestal hahahah
At least NASA committed highway robbery here, bezos is basically paying for the mission with a $20 million total launch cost
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:37:05 UTC No. 16327630
>>16327626
open cycle ruins it, I would imagine.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:37:36 UTC No. 16327632
>>16327626
I misheard, 445s of ISP, not 404
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:37:57 UTC No. 16327633
>>16327617
i know, i just said that.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:38:37 UTC No. 16327636
>>16327625
That seems like bullshit, since several of the non-carbon options are just straight up metal alloys. If they aren't being adopted it's most likely because carbon electrodes are just cheaper even including the need to replace them periodically. For a lunar industry it'll likely be cheaper to just use a metal alloy produced in-situ.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:39:25 UTC No. 16327638
>>16327632
>>16327626
https://youtu.be/rsuqSn7ifpU?si=zTQ
its at the timestamp
1h 5min 54s
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:42:19 UTC No. 16327644
>>16327630
>>16327632
>open cycle GG gets 98.23% of the Isp in vacuum that the RS-25, a high chamber pressure staged combustion engine, achieves
Two facts apparent from this:
1. RS-25 is actually shit for a staged combustion hydrolox engine
2. A 480 Isp staged combustion hydrolox engine should be possible using modern (raptorlike) tech
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:43:27 UTC No. 16327647
>>16327638
Thanks but I can't watch rn I'm in a meeting at work
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:50:31 UTC No. 16327661
Well, that tour might have been exciting if it weren't for the fact that Falcon 9 exists and has flown for years.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:51:02 UTC No. 16327662
>this has tons of development instrumentation on it, extra instrumentation used on during the development phase
>single shaft, ox-rich staged combustion, very high performing cycle, what we have is a life designed, medium performing variant of a high performing cycle to decrease the stress
>because ox-rich combustion cycle operates at relatively modest temperatures you are taking all of your oxygen through the turbine, you have so much mass flow that you don't need high temperatures
>more like warm GOX (gaseous oxygen I guess)
>the thermal cycling on your turbine is modest, if you go to very high chamber pressure you start to lose some of that advantage
>for a booster stage you can afford to do that (don't need high ISP)
>340s of ISP
>high ISP on the second stage, high life on the first stage
>so that is what this engine is optimized for
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:54:49 UTC No. 16327668
>>16327604
>fod level 3
>fat bearded men in jeans and sweaty t-shirts with old shoes
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:56:03 UTC No. 16327669
At 340 ISP the BE-4 has less thrust and lower ISP than the Raptor 3 and yet is nearly twice the size.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:57:38 UTC No. 16327672
https://www2.tceq.texas.gov/oce/pen
it's over chudlons
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:58:49 UTC No. 16327673
>>16327568
thanks for wasting 8 minutes of my life, asshole, why did you post this?
seriously did you think them sending economic aid to a developing country was some sort of damning evidence or something?
if i recall correctly they didn't even have a govt ready to go after yanukovich left, for a long time they were literally waiting to see if he would come back, because they hadn't actually ousted his government, they were fucking angry and wanted answers. it was only when the old administration literally refused to come back that they decided on new elections.
this site's poster quality has gone down drastically in the last 10 years, demoralized schizophrenics should learn to fear embarrassment and mockery again.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:00:00 UTC No. 16327676
>>16327672
environmentalists need to be lynched
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:00:00 UTC No. 16327677
>>16327672
so what is the order? is there a pdf
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:00:13 UTC No. 16327678
>>16327661
kek
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:00:54 UTC No. 16327682
>>16327672
so what does this mean?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:03:20 UTC No. 16327690
>>16327676
>>16327677
>>16327682
It means they have been ordered to obtain the license they alredy applied for 2 months ago. It's just paperwork.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:05:36 UTC No. 16327695
>>16327662
>340s Isp
Must be a vacuum figure, zero chance BE-4 is pulling that at sea level when Raptor is like 330 Isp at SL.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:05:59 UTC No. 16327697
*skims quickly through the entire thread*
Can we go back to a dead /sfg/? Thanks.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:06:40 UTC No. 16327700
>>16327696
https://x.com/RenataKonkoly/status/
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:07:29 UTC No. 16327702
>>16327690
Starchads, WE'RE BACK
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:08:34 UTC No. 16327705
>>16327697
Hey the moon industry discussion was cool
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:11:13 UTC No. 16327709
>>16327696
>>16327700
That's totally where SpaceX's station-deorbit vehicle needs to go in 2029, lmao
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:12:09 UTC No. 16327712
could you not put 20 years of wasted r&d to use for once and just undock Starliner with robonaut
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:13:20 UTC No. 16327715
>>16327712
Dragon saves the crew
Teslabot saves the docking port
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:17:05 UTC No. 16327720
>>16327715
Imagine the headlines
>Elon Muskās teslabot falls from space EXPLODES (inside starliner) spews chemicals and heavy metals all across upper atmosphere
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:19:51 UTC No. 16327723
>>16327720
Nah the hate for boeing would supersede the EDS I guarantee it. Plus throw AI into the mix and its chefs kiss for normie journalism.
>SpaceX Dragon Saves Stranded Crew, Elon Muskās Futuristic AI Robot Removes Rambunctious Boeing Capsule
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:19:54 UTC No. 16327724
>>16327705
I AM skeptical about extraterrestrial resource acquisition and I WILL argue about it for five hours every time it comes up
FACT!!!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:20:55 UTC No. 16327725
>>16327712
I forgot about that fucking thing
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:23:44 UTC No. 16327728
>>16327697
Why, so we get the same shitslinging and newfaggotry but slower?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:24:05 UTC No. 16327729
>>16327350
that was pretty cringe
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:32:59 UTC No. 16327751
>>16327748
What the fuck are all these little sats even doing
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:42:47 UTC No. 16327772
>>16327748
I like how they had to blur one of them like it's some type of jap porn.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:43:27 UTC No. 16327773
>>16327755
>Terran Orbital
Who?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:43:37 UTC No. 16327774
>>16327751
just satellite things
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:44:42 UTC No. 16327775
>>16327748
Does this transporter mission have the replacement for the tape outgassing drive that failed?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:45:57 UTC No. 16327778
>>16327672
It's over lockheed bros.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:46:42 UTC No. 16327780
>watch launch stream
>words words words from literal whos for an hour straight
>10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.... and liftoff of the blah blah blah
SHUT THE FUCK UP RETARD
I didn't click this link so I could listen to you talk.
You are NOT the NASA public affairs officer.
You will never be the NASA public affairs officer.
You will never have a real job.
This isn't even a NASA launch.
FagSat 5 was never an important mission so stop pretending it is.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:48:39 UTC No. 16327783
ngl i dont give a fuck about this estrogenaut video
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:50:03 UTC No. 16327787
>>16327751
alot are test projects, especially for universities, since undergrads make them. it's a great project to get yourself a job.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:50:21 UTC No. 16327788
>>16327783
it's funny to see how bozo got scammed by oldspace
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:55:16 UTC No. 16327798
>>16327788
lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:05:32 UTC No. 16327820
tourist here. did they ever find the cause of that ice buildup in the 2nd stage of that "failed" falcon flight?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:06:48 UTC No. 16327826
>>16327820
A shitty sensor that read the wrong pressure or something and I think the fix was deadass just removing it and the FAA was like āokay you can return to flightā
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:08:12 UTC No. 16327827
>>16327820
During the first burn of Falcon 9ās second stage engine, a liquid oxygen leak developed within the insulation around the upper stage engine. The cause of the leak was identified as a crack in a sense line for a pressure sensor attached to the vehicleās oxygen system. This line cracked due to fatigue caused by high loading from engine vibration and looseness in the clamp that normally constrains the line. Despite the leak, the second stage engine continued to operate through the duration of its first burn, and completed its engine shutdown, where it entered the coast phase of the mission in the intended elliptical parking orbit.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:09:44 UTC No. 16327833
>>16327601
*nuzzles you*
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:12:41 UTC No. 16327841
>>16327826
>>16327827
oh, that sucks. shitty how a single component can destroy all of that effort put into getting the rocket to orbit.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:14:48 UTC No. 16327845
>>16327838
>Upbeat clown music plays
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:16:04 UTC No. 16327851
>>16327848
How far along would they be if the government was interested in clearing the path forward like for Apollo or something
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:18:18 UTC No. 16327853
>>16327841
Many such cases in the history of rocketry. And very peculiar considering how many F9 flights there have been before it popped up as an issue, but I guess not necessarily out of the ordinary.
The real testament is how SpaceX was able to return to flight quickly, they ended up launching 3 rockets over the course of the weekend as soon as they refunded to flight. Something like this would have grounded any other rocket company for months probably
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:18:43 UTC No. 16327855
>>16327851
HLS Starship prototypes would be littering the moon already, at least one sitting upright.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:19:31 UTC No. 16327856
>>16327848
Iām going to sĆ²yface at the tower catch attempt Iām sorry to say. Itās going to be exhilarating
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:20:05 UTC No. 16327858
>>16327851
Probably a little shy of 2 years ahead of where they are now
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:20:47 UTC No. 16327859
>>16327851
Theyād be at flight 5 in two weeks, just as they are now
SX are their own bottleneck this is sort of their maximum speed
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:21:15 UTC No. 16327861
>>16327724
Good because informative arguments are my favorite thing
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:22:28 UTC No. 16327862
>>16327848
lift the stars if need be
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:22:29 UTC No. 16327863
>>16327751
>my job is to put the payloads up, who cares what they do?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:25:26 UTC No. 16327867
>>16327832
Agreed. If they cannot even analyze the risk, that's an unacceptable risk. If they decide to bring them down on Starliner I will lose any remaining respect for NASA as an organization: they will have proved themselves to be boeing et al cocksleeves
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:25:56 UTC No. 16327870
>>16327848
hot
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:28:40 UTC No. 16327875
>>16327867
What if they bring them down on starliner and everyone goes fine, no one has considered this lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:31:34 UTC No. 16327876
>>16327859
What are you talking about retard
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:32:48 UTC No. 16327877
>>16327861
If I have four new tabs open of stuff to learn about after, then I won the argument no matter what
FACT!!!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:33:49 UTC No. 16327879
>>16327875
>t. Boeing shareholder
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:35:31 UTC No. 16327883
>>16327644
I was looking through design papers from the mid 1980s that were talking about orbital transfer vehicles that had engines with isp. in the high 490s. 500s might not be a unreasonable goal for modern tech.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:37:48 UTC No. 16327889
>>16327875
Iām not really picturing it, could you explain?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:38:07 UTC No. 16327890
>>16326585
So why is it necessary to rebuilt hardware with integrated shielding? Couldn't they just be installed in a shielding case? Or is it just mass autism, because a case is bulkier and probably 20x the mass of shielded hardware?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:39:57 UTC No. 16327892
>>16327875
it would still have been the wrong decision
and if the risks were known and well quantified and low enough and they died due to a freak accident, then it would have been the right decision anyway
you need to evaluate the decision based on the information that was available at the time, not post facto
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:49:17 UTC No. 16327907
>>16327644
>MARTINEZ, A., & FULTON, D. (1983). Advanced LOX/H2 engine technologies for future OTVs. 19th Joint Propulsion Conference.
>doi:10.2514/6.1983-1312
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:53:40 UTC No. 16327916
>>16327901
why don't they just shred shartliner to pieces, put the pieces in a container and let gravity do its thing?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:58:01 UTC No. 16327922
>>16327875
Quantify the chance of everything going well.
If you can't, then you do not understand the risk, and therefore cannot safely put crew through entry on that capsule.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:58:58 UTC No. 16327926
>>16327889
Yeah in this scenario Sunita and Butch are told to proceed with undocking and a return to Earth in September, and Starliner successfully completes its deorbit burn despite conservative engineering concerns and the capsule is able to successfully re-enter and land at the White Sands Missile Range as planned and a post-flight analysis shows that the damage was thankfully minimal in spite of liberal concernengineers who wanted to play it safe and Boeing simply makes design changes that satisfy NASAās crew safety probability and Starliner is entered back into surface. Hope this helps explain what I meant!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:58:59 UTC No. 16327927
>>16327900
Did he acquire taste, lads?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:59:21 UTC No. 16327929
>>16327877
I care about having fun, and I did :)
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:00:31 UTC No. 16327930
>>16327875
What if we never built the shuttle and flew Apollo into the late 80s?
We don't do alternate history here.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:01:16 UTC No. 16327931
>>16327883
Neato
>>16327907
me likey
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:02:09 UTC No. 16327934
>>16327772
that's because those are all just shopped in there. They fucked up the resolution on that one.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:02:40 UTC No. 16327939
>>16327901
NB: If Star Killer impacted the ISS and everyone onboard had to run to the lifeboats, there would only be 7 seats down for 12 people.
Assuming they didn't try to undock until rescue Dragon arrived.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:02:45 UTC No. 16327941
>>16327901
unironically, why can't they grab it with canadarm & shove it away from the space station at a brisk 2cm/s and then just wait 30 minutes for it to move away before using the thrusters?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:04:37 UTC No. 16327943
>>16327927
no, they just fired the voice actor that plays a nihilistic, alcoholic narcissist, because he said something mean to a woman or something like that. so he probably doesn't like it any more.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:04:55 UTC No. 16327945
>>16327941
retarded Canadians canāt build an arm the grabs irregularly shaped objects
retarded boeing engineers canāt build a grabbing point into their spacecraft
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:06:05 UTC No. 16327951
>>16327901
That is always the unspoken part. Starliner could use exclusively OMAC thrusters to deorbit, bypassing the problematic RCS thrusters completely. But it needs RCS for undocking and maneuvering around ISS.
>>16327941
Starliner does not have grapple for the arm to hold onto.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:06:09 UTC No. 16327952
>>16327841
one of the first members of the NSF forums took the name "CorrodedNut" in reference to the likely cause of the first Falcon 1 failure.
And don't forget the materials fraud that caused two consecutive Taurus fairing separation failures.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:07:32 UTC No. 16327957
>>16327941
As currently configured, Star whiner can't operate -- or even unlock -- autonomously or remotely. Needs new updated and arguably untested software update for that.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:09:14 UTC No. 16327960
>>16327957
Can't wait for pajeet code they upload to it to fire the thrusters and spin the station
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:10:56 UTC No. 16327962
>>16327939
Make that 11. 9 currently on ISS plus a crew of 2 on the next Dragon up.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:12:49 UTC No. 16327966
>>16327960
Don't think the second Starliner is built up enough to test the software update on a live bird. It will be all "simulations".
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:18:11 UTC No. 16327974
Goes to show how unimportant BO is when a huge juicy insider tour drops and within the hour everyone has moved on from the nothingburger to shitting on starliner and discussing its problems again
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:20:30 UTC No. 16327981
How does a company fuck up a vehicle this badly and not get sued for gross negligence?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:21:56 UTC No. 16327985
>>16327974
Would you like to talk more about the tour anon? What parts were your favorite? I thought the fins were really cool.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:23:10 UTC No. 16327987
>>16327981
Step 1: be Boeing
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:24:30 UTC No. 16327989
>>16327985
No I donāt I just find it funny lmao. After each starship tour it feels like there are so many interesting new and exciting developments; even if estronaut sucks at asking questions and just saying
>oh wow
thereās still plenty to see and speculate on once you get a camera inside starbase. Many things are happening!
Meanwhile at BO you seeā¦ museum pieces collecting dust? Very telling of the state of affairs
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:28:36 UTC No. 16328000
>>16327989
I'd be more engaged if I'd seen anything of theirs fly besides New Shepard.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:32:08 UTC No. 16328007
>>16327981
>How does a company fuck up a vehicle this badly
Negligence, commonly and collectively called āoldspaceā
>and not get sued for gross negligence?
Political power and might (the scummy excuse) but also a rich history of working with NASA and previously/historically being a good partner (a somewhat understandable excuse)
Good news is this is wearing off and political sway is seemingly waning slowly
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:33:40 UTC No. 16328010
>>16327981
Too big to be allowed to fail isn't a meme.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:36:19 UTC No. 16328014
>>16328000
New Shepard is cute! CUTE!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:44:16 UTC No. 16328031
>>16328000
I don't understand why they are still bothering with New Shepard.
It has been confirmed to not be a revenue stream; it's just one more thing Bezos is having to actively dump money into while BO eats costs like a hungry wolf. Berger has called into question its existence after Bezos took his ride to space. I believe he speculated that half the point of the program was just so that Bezos could say he has been to space with his own company. That's been done now. Why is it still online? For PR? Do they have a backlog of costumers? I know Virgin does but as far as I know BO does fresh rounds of seat offers and bidding with each flight.
If they are so intent on keeping this carnival ride aspect of their company alive (for what purpose I have no clue) WHY didn't they do something like transition to a New Glenn first stage booster with a capsule on top? At least that way they could actively be testing flight hardware.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:44:32 UTC No. 16328033
>>16327931
>Advanced propulsion concepts for orbital transfer vehicles
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/198
I may have been a bit too conservative when I said 500s would be a good goal. We can do better.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:50:20 UTC No. 16328043
>>16327856
me too, you can make fun of me for it but i will probably basedface
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:51:59 UTC No. 16328045
>>16327875
doesn't matter, it means they still chose to take an quantifiably large risk knowingly because of political reasons.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:53:27 UTC No. 16328049
>>16328043
seeing S29 make the landing burn through the charred camera despite the JUSTed flap had me spring up from my chair and scream
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:55:53 UTC No. 16328051
>>16328049
i was standing up throughout the entire reentry process, i couldn't sit down.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:56:01 UTC No. 16328052
>>16328049
Wait so on the last flight did the booster just do a simulated landing burn, or did it simulate the profile needed for a tower catch?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:56:54 UTC No. 16328057
>>16328052
it made a soft landing in the water.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:57:52 UTC No. 16328061
>>16328057
I know but did it try to simulate what was needed for a tower catch?
Im specifically asking about SuperHeavy, just so thereās no confusion
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:00:20 UTC No. 16328064
>>16328061
Yes, they even moved the tower arms and fired the deluge system while the booster did its soft landing.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:06:04 UTC No. 16328068
>>16327419
Russia does that. They got the first man to space with that arrangement. Not too shabby, I'd say.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:12:52 UTC No. 16328072
>>16328049
I'll call you a faggot if you do it again, consider yourself warned
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:13:49 UTC No. 16328075
>>16328061
ah, thought you were talking about the ship.
yeah i believe the booster itself just made a soft landing in the water, didn't hover above it for a while or anything.
i do think that we can be sure it was fairly accurate, because it landed right next to the camera with the buoy that they intentionally placed there.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:14:14 UTC No. 16328076
>>16328061
It was an imaginary tower
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:14:51 UTC No. 16328078
>>16328068
you're gonna cause the man to have another spergout because he saw a dot, stop punctuating your sentences, or he'll start crying again.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:16:29 UTC No. 16328079
>>16327901
> Butch bravely takes the Death Liner out solo. He and Suri have a tearful moment at the capsule door window ala Star Trek II.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:23:02 UTC No. 16328086
>>16326851
In space, nobody can hear you RUD.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:37:28 UTC No. 16328108
>>16326901
It's designed to be able to hover long enough to be caught. That's what makes F9 landings so hard, because F9 can't throttle down low enough.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:47:20 UTC No. 16328120
>>16327875
boca chica would be 1 large slab of concrete
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:53:09 UTC No. 16328128
>>16327015
>gift the Kuril islands to Japan
the fucking cherry on top of all this, lol
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:56:57 UTC No. 16328134
>>16327050
it's okay as long as they still have someone who isn't a zoomer and knows how to use a can opener
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:10:11 UTC No. 16328145
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:12:13 UTC No. 16328153
>>16328145
kek
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:16:43 UTC No. 16328159
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:22:39 UTC No. 16328163
>>16328159
I was thinking of this earlier. New Glenn landings are going to be a real spectacle once they start doing them
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:24:05 UTC No. 16328165
>>16327477
That's an ITAR-regulated nothing, can't let the commies copy it!
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:27:55 UTC No. 16328173
>>16328165
>Blue Origin Debuts World's First Stealth Rocket, Expect to Launch Dec 2039
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:31:17 UTC No. 16328182
>>16327575
So nothing is really changing.
Bezos said heās unsure of the economics of reuse right now, in terms of the second stage. He has one team aiming to get the cost of S2 down as low as possibleāanother team is working on a reusable S2 (Iām not sure if these teams are getting equal attention and funding? If one of them is getting precedence I assume itās just going to be trying to get Stage 2 as cheap as possible)
But itās huge and complex and needs to be made from scratch for every flight nontheless so even if they can get S2 cheap, can they pump them out fast enough to keep up with their flight rate? Or would reusability be quicker?
Probably doesnāt matter this rocket isnāt going to fly often like a Falcon 9
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:39:31 UTC No. 16328188
Don't know if I can stand that bald smug faggot and the estronaut desu. What's the tldr
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:39:34 UTC No. 16328189
>>16327901
but can boing do worse than ivan can?
anyhow, they should get the canadarm ready, just attach the arm, undock, toss the trashliner away, then they can start its engines when it's far enough
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:39:56 UTC No. 16328191
>>16328186
This is definitely what will happen but it sure isn't NASA doing it
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:43:34 UTC No. 16328195
>>16327930
if that happened, Skylab might still be up there
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:43:48 UTC No. 16328196
>>16328188
read thread
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:48:11 UTC No. 16328203
>>16327258
what happens in europe and israel is not my fucking problem. they all have free healthcare, they have free college, we get crumbling roads and fent addicts. fuck you cnn watching horking seals
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:48:16 UTC No. 16328205
>>16327930
*ahem*
ENTER
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:50:26 UTC No. 16328211
>>16328203
haha that's crazy want to talk about rockets instead?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:56:08 UTC No. 16328217
>>16327154
>>16328188
>Hydrogen autism
>Expensive boutique autistic manufacturing
>ISOGRID
>ORTHOGRID
>Expendable upper stage
>First stage produces less than a quarter of the thrust of Super Heavy
It would have been revolutionary if it launched in 2017.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:58:23 UTC No. 16328219
What would happen to New Glenn's performance numbers if the 7 BE-4's were swapped out with however many Raptor 3's fit?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:59:44 UTC No. 16328220
>>16328219
the tank would crunch in on itself and explode
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:00:48 UTC No. 16328222
>>16327154
>bezos quoting numbers and words like he memorized them the night before
>yeah everything was already figured out in the 60s
>all the employees placed around the different sections ready to assist like the entire factory was mobilized just for the tour
>well placed employee positively comparing employment to other aerospace companies unprompted
This did not change my mind on Blue Origin. We already knew they were good at presentations
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:01:35 UTC No. 16328223
>>16328222
trips confirms
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:02:52 UTC No. 16328225
>>16328220
Probably, assuming it didn't, what does it's payload to orbit become?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:02:53 UTC No. 16328226
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:08:26 UTC No. 16328234
>>16328222
Bezos is honestly pretty smart and can authoritatively tell you how itās done in the aerospace industry
Musk is smart and asks why itās been done that way and why it canāt be done differently
Fundamental difference and this small detail has lead to two vastly different approaches with two drastically different outcomes
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:16:34 UTC No. 16328236
>>16328218
It's a big rocket
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:18:06 UTC No. 16328240
>>16328234
Another difference is BO would never put a video of something like this on their youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvi
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:20:06 UTC No. 16328244
>>16328242
pic unrelated the answer is airships
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:28:45 UTC No. 16328253
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:29:53 UTC No. 16328254
>>16326839
It's not a buzzword it's an umbrella term for the entire field of automation.
It's nobody else's fault that you're a moron that assumes that AI = sentience.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:33:09 UTC No. 16328260
>>16328254
nta but yeah itās a corpo buzzword for stupid neural network sentence generators and retarded image generators
>you know nothing if you think itās limited to just that
It literally is limited to just that, itās a stupid trend thatās only going to be advanced by maybe 3 or 4 groups that have access to an unfathomable amount of user data to do boring shit with
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:35:41 UTC No. 16328263
>>16328217
Lol lmao even, stoke are going to beat them to orbit at this rate. Their second stage is ready with flight copies in production, new hydrogen ORSC and FFSC methane engines built and tested, first stage tank validated. All in like 3.5y.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:47:52 UTC No. 16328279
Erm wait what the fuck
>the New Glenn rocket [will] place the two ESCAPADE probes into an orbit around Earth, leaving the spacecraft themselves to perform the final maneuvers to escape Earth's gravity and fly to Mars.
Granted this is a selective quote and they say there are other ways of doing it. But youāre telling me theyāre seriously considering launching two tiny ass probes on a giant rocket into LEO and thatās it? Hahahahah
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:53:38 UTC No. 16328286
>>16328279
Blue origin will be the first compsny to reach Mars. elon musk btfo
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:55:11 UTC No. 16328289
>>16328286
There actually couldn't be a worse outcome
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:55:35 UTC No. 16328290
>>16328286
if they do it like this theyāre only going to LEO
Rocket Lab, who is manufacturing the actual escapade probes, would be the ones going to Mars in this case lol
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 00:55:44 UTC No. 16328292
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/news
Grush gets on her knees for Oldspace to explain why Starliner is a good thing, actually
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:07:18 UTC No. 16328306
>>16328279
Yeah it turns out that Blue still has to stick the launch window because the probes are made to fly themselves to Mars. Remember that they were supposed to be a rideshare but JPL bungled the Psyche payload and it got delayed.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:07:45 UTC No. 16328307
>>16327321
25 initially, long term is 100.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:08:12 UTC No. 16328308
>>16328305
is the red cone part of the rocket or the launch mount?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:10:59 UTC No. 16328311
>>16328308
Itās a part of the rocket
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:12:48 UTC No. 16328313
>>16326601
zewbrin is the worst earther. He would rather jeopardize SpaceX's mission and go full-force against Musk's correct conclusion that these malicious retards - which include his coethnics - pose a high risk of destabilizing civilization and trying to destroy his companies before we can become a multiplanet species. And all for some seething psychotic revenge fantasy over a parochial blood feud bc some cossacks bullied his peasant ancestors or whatever forever ago. His Mars rants have always been his self-delusional cope for personally dealing with what he truly is.
YWNBAW zewbrin - you will never be a westerner.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:13:44 UTC No. 16328315
>>16328307
BO keeps vaguely throwing out term āblock 2ā but it seems like thereās no real game plan other than hand waiving and saying
>um we are making it cheaper and better at reuse
No game plan. Typical of them.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:13:58 UTC No. 16328316
>>16327240
>they are equally as capable of killing you.
post practiscore, nerd
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:15:07 UTC No. 16328317
>>16328313
kek well said
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:17:27 UTC No. 16328318
>>16328315
By the time they can make a meaningful number of rockets to launch a meaningful amount of things, there will be multiple starships on the Moon and Mars.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:23:22 UTC No. 16328325
>>16328306
I think as of right now the plan is for NG to just bring them to Mars via the second stage but iāve heard talks of this requiring a very, very precise burn that can easily be fucked up
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:34:35 UTC No. 16328331
>>16326901
I don't know shit about shit but I thought the plan would be to soft capture on the grid fins then the tower arms set it on the mounting pins
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:44:21 UTC No. 16328336
m-m-most l-like most people don't even like barely even appreciate this
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:47:58 UTC No. 16328339
>>16327552
>electric sail
>plasma magnet
>QI meme drive
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:48:25 UTC No. 16328340
>>16327632
How is it that low? Even bumfuck Soviets in the 60's with no clue how to use hydrolox built +460s isp upper stage hydrolox engines.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:48:27 UTC No. 16328341
>>16328336
yeah it's OHAHAHAHA it looks bigger than in the renders yeah AHAHAHA
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 01:59:50 UTC No. 16328349
>>16328031
If I had to guess, Bezos hates Rocketdyne so much that when they quoted him for the RL10 he laughed in their fucking face and made his own, and got money to do it from the government who also want to see Rocketdyne get competed with
Why he's wasting the engines on suborbital hops is anyone's guess but given this tour I think the whole thing is about PR, which means he is about half a decade behind SpaceX in space tourism ideas
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:02:16 UTC No. 16328351
>>16327219
>>16327389
>>16327469
It's ironic that bezos was able to talk specifics but he would've sounded smarter if he said something about his abstract meme principles like elon does. Elon says "the best part is no part", and "the most important thing is cost per kg to orbit, and the path to this is full and rapid re-usability" which are surface level platitudes, but they might just save your company. The closest bezos gets is raising that he doesn't know if expendable or reusable second stage is going to be more cost efficient and wants to "horse race" it. All while his upper stage has a clean room for the fuel tank and carbon fiber fairings, and also uses a different fuel and engines. I think the real story is this rocket was built to be a bigger competitor to the falcon 9 and wasn't taking a world with starship seriously. So he's saying they can switch to a reusable second stage when I see no progress on that.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:03:41 UTC No. 16328353
>>16327462
why would Russia getting mauled in Ukraine be a problem for the US annexing Kazakhstan?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:16:30 UTC No. 16328362
>>16328340
It's an open expander cycle. Easier/simpler than staged combustion and allows for higher thrust than closed expander. But it means you wont be getting the absolute top end Isp.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:19:15 UTC No. 16328363
>>16327329
Delightfully counterintuitive
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:19:52 UTC No. 16328364
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:21:27 UTC No. 16328366
>>16328351
The most admirable thing about Elon is that he's been consistently browbeating his engineers into treating those platitudes and the whole "first-principles engineering" thing seriously for more than 20 years. He doesn't let them start growing oldspace crust and process bloat. Those platitudes are the constant and unerring compass needle of his autism which guides the whole company.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:23:12 UTC No. 16328367
>>16327505
Those are off the shelf dude, you know somebody's a real nerd when they've got the ANSI rated prescription glasses
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:29:54 UTC No. 16328372
>>16328351
I know he has since stepped away and only remains in a limited capacity, but Amazon is no doubt āhisā and itās amazing how someone who can take this small dot com bookstore idea and flourish it into essentially a national online shipping megamonster canāt translate that success to aerospace. Where is the disconnect? I get that theyāre totally different industries but Bezos was obviously able to surround himself with successful people for one venture, yet pretty much got fleeced by rotted oldspace thinking in his current venture. Was/is he trying to play it safe?
Another fascinating thing is how he seemingly canāt recover from the shortcomings. His famous luncheon with Musk, where he just defenestrated all of Elonās suggestions. His persistence in flying New Shepard when it doesnāt even make money or translate to New Glenn anymore than it already has.
Heās obviously open to different approaches and novel ideasāand I respect him for being able to openly admit something like how he just doesnāt yet know the practicality of cheap+expendable vs. reusable second stages, but something like a āhorse raceā between the two as you called it (I love that) is a great example of something that was probably his personal decision to try them both instead of being able to have a clear goal and being able to execute a definitive decision based on a clear end goal. Musk has a vision and musk executes decisions. Sometimes those decisions are wrong and the Starship team can quickly pivot to the next thing. Musk is chasing failure to weed it out, Bezos is chasing success and this surface level thinking is keeping him hog tied to the ground literally.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:48:55 UTC No. 16328377
>>16328078
Good job buddy, you figured out where the commas are supposed to go!
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:56:41 UTC No. 16328383
Very telling how Musk wants to create society on and reshape the surface of Mars while Bezos wants to build OāNeill cylinders and minmax wagie pods for miserable workers
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:00:22 UTC No. 16328389
>>16328372
I think its because there was no "old shipping" establishment, at least not one worth idolizing. You get into rockets and the industry and its legacy have legendary status despite sucking ass for a while, and they were doing it this way when you were a kid, who are you to question it? Also its not just elon's initiation in the principles he holds, but he also went through making falcon 9 and realizing conventional approaches were plagued with traps that only people who captured the government budget can afford to stand in. If Jeff built new glen instead of new shepard he might see the light too. But he's too late.
Jeff used the phrase horse race. But I think horse races work better with cheap prototypes instead of finding out which is better after paying for two complete designs with complete tooling.
>His famous luncheon with Musk, where he just defenestrated all of Elonās suggestions.
I missed out on this story, where is it from?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:02:12 UTC No. 16328391
>>16327939
Butch and Suni would have an emergency ride back down on the Dragon currently docked to the station, mexican style on the internal cargo pallet
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:03:42 UTC No. 16328392
>The International Astronomical Union voted Thursday encouraging space organizations across the globe to collaborate on a timekeeping standard for the moon
https://apnews.com/article/moon-tim
i wonder how long it'll actually take to get a lunar time zone. there's alot of momentum going for it.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:09:51 UTC No. 16328402
>An aurora radiates brightly above the Indian Ocean in this photograph from the International Space Station as it soared 270 miles above the Earth's surface and about 1,280 miles southwest of Perth, Australia.
https://images.nasa.gov/details/iss
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:12:36 UTC No. 16328404
>>16327154
The interview/tour is a pretty big indication that Bezos has not been coached to talk with someone that's been doing indepth rocket engineering tours and conversations at length as a youtube persona and now interviewer. There's at least half a dozen examples sprinkled throughout the video where Tim's brain and mouth had already arrived at the conclusion, and even a few times where he has already pointed out this conclusion, before Bezos has finished his thought and expressed said "conclusion". Him talking to Elon for a half a dozen hours and other new space people along the way, has forced him to become sharp and brisk with his questions and commentary. Which now is becoming detrimental conversationally. Tim is very expressive and interactive in almost all his interviews, but held himself back visibly to not shame Bezos, not on purpose, because an amateur is already fully aware of what Bezos wants to say before he's fully able to articulate it--and the amateur has to pretend to be wowed by the facts being presented.
We didn't learn anything new and interesting from part 1 that pushed the boundary forward. But we did learn as seen here: >>16327469, that they're really really REALLY behind the curve despite having access to advanced manufacturing processes and know how in 2024.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:17:56 UTC No. 16328406
>>16328402
>the firmament isn't rea-
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:20:56 UTC No. 16328408
>>16328404
>they're really really REALLY behind the curve
They're not. Some of those criticisms have some validity but most of them are just memes. Blue Origin and Stoke are the only two western LSPs in a good position to survive the Starship mass extinction event.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:21:34 UTC No. 16328410
Just watched that stoke space ceo interview. Bro is a straight up type 1 launch rockets like aeroplanes luv me starship chad. King stuff. I didnt realise Falcon 9 had a two years wait, that's wild. Crazy they put together a full flow methalox engine as well as oxygen rich hydrogen engine in only a few years and are already building stage twos for flight, all for less than 175 million. I think he must have poached some real geniuses.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:22:13 UTC No. 16328411
>>16328305
Streams live
T-25:00
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:23:23 UTC No. 16328412
>>16328408
Theyāre behind the curve they will exist out of pity contracts, contrarians who donāt want to launch on SX, and >muh second options
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:30:36 UTC No. 16328417
>>16328412
>contrarians who donāt want to launch on SX
My dude, you can't BOOK a f9 launch for two years minimum. Starship is still a ways off and needs a lot of heavy duty infrastructure work and paperwork to increase their allowed cadences. Just look at Kuiper, sued by their shareholders for not booking falcons but they literally can't lmao. If someone has a reusable rocket in the next few years they will be launching shitloads of kuiper sats.
Situation with starship won't be much different for quite some time, vast majority of flights will be starlink and then government, artemis etc before they even get to the commercial space.
What if another telco wants to do a megaconstellation? Two or three even? Private modules for hotels and manufacturing? Trips to and from those modules? SpaceX can't do everything man.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:33:09 UTC No. 16328419
>>16328305
it's live
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:33:53 UTC No. 16328420
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:39:15 UTC No. 16328424
>>16328411
>small sat launcher
we sleep
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:46:53 UTC No. 16328425
REDEEM THE SATELITES SAAR
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:47:26 UTC No. 16328426
NARMAL
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:47:57 UTC No. 16328427
jay hind saars
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:48:57 UTC No. 16328429
wtf, it's going to the wrong side lmao
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:50:24 UTC No. 16328430
stage sep, 2nd stage ignition, and fairing sep confirmed
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:52:14 UTC No. 16328432
Redeemed status?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:53:20 UTC No. 16328434
rocket is success inshallah
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:53:47 UTC No. 16328436
>PERFORMANCE NARMAL
kek
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:54:22 UTC No. 16328438
The rocket is being of the normal performing saar
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:56:24 UTC No. 16328439
the path graph(?) showed it going below some expected path for some time
in case you don't get what I mean: I'm ESL
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:56:38 UTC No. 16328440
CAMPLETED
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:58:00 UTC No. 16328441
NARMAL
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:59:47 UTC No. 16328442
sepreted saars
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 03:59:50 UTC No. 16328443
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 04:00:48 UTC No. 16328445
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 04:01:35 UTC No. 16328446
SAPRATED
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 04:05:09 UTC No. 16328449
orbit redeemed
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 04:05:18 UTC No. 16328450
MISSION ACCAMPLISHED
šļø Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 04:07:01 UTC No. 16328455
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 04:11:01 UTC No. 16328461
topical staging
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Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 04:50:36 UTC No. 16328512
remember: don't use gay obsessive Trumptard threads
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 05:48:01 UTC No. 16328590
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4 fucking stages for that??