š§µ /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 06:53:40 UTC No. 16328631
Jeff Bezos redemption arc edition
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Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 06:55:22 UTC No. 16328634
what the FUCK happened?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 06:56:37 UTC No. 16328636
>>16328634
Assume jannies got fed up with the seep from /pol/.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 06:58:51 UTC No. 16328639
>>16328636
half of the threads on the catalog are /pol/ bait
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 06:59:36 UTC No. 16328640
>>16328639
Never implied jannies were good at their job, did I?
Anywho, about spaceflight.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:26:00 UTC No. 16328705
Very telling how Bezos wants to learn how to live and thrive in flat space while Musk wants to scuttle from one gravity well to a markedly inferior gravity well to live in a tunnel like a mole rat
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:28:10 UTC No. 16328707
>>16328636
More like retards cluttering up the catalog in an autistic rush to be the one who makes the OP
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:44:34 UTC No. 16328718
>>16328705
This would be a good comment if bezos was the anti Elon but trying to build habitats instead of mars. Unfortunately we can't have anything cool.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 09:51:28 UTC No. 16328763
> āThe Wow! Signal may have been caused by a unique astrophysical event: the sudden brightening of a cold hydrogen cloud due to stimulated emission from a transient strong radiation source, such as a magnetar flare or a soft gamma repeater (SGR),ā MĆ©ndez told The Debrief. āThese rare events might cause hydrogen clouds to momentarily shine much brighter, potentially explaining the fleeting nature of the Wow! Signal.ā
Okay, sure.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 10:09:25 UTC No. 16328776
>>16328639
Yeah but the outer space treaty forbids harmful contamination of space.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 10:10:49 UTC No. 16328778
>>16328634
>>16328636
what did I miss while I was asleep?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:05:48 UTC No. 16328803
>>16328778
Multiple anons posted new threads the second the last one hit page 10 so a janny nuked all /sfg/s from the catalog
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:06:20 UTC No. 16328804
>>16328763
Interstellar swamp gas
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:09:49 UTC No. 16328806
Launch of a military/classified CZ-4B from Xichang with Yaogan 42-02 -43-01 reported as "New technology testing for Low Earth Orbit constellations systems", it is speculated it may be a Starshield equivalent spysat meant to be implemented in the national LEO constellations.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:12:09 UTC No. 16328809
>>16328806
Patch for the launch and for the satellites.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:13:11 UTC No. 16328810
>>16328806
Yaogan 43-01*
Also it seems ths may be its primary mission, but there may be rideshare satellites.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:17:49 UTC No. 16328813
>>16328809
The launch patch is really nice, but I don't know what kind of wuxia cultivation weirdness is going on with the satellite patch
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:30:49 UTC No. 16328826
>>16328809
Are these china patches official? I keep seeing them for every launch, I just wonder if theyāre CASC or whatever approved.
Minimalist but complex. Art nouveau in a way. Very sexy and pleasant on the eye.
Which is funny because literally every chinese rocket ever is just the same ass livery like change it up chang come on man
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:53:31 UTC No. 16328848
>>16328826
Yes they're official, it's not 100% systematic but it happens on most launches.
Sometime there are two patches for the payload and launcher, also sometime the launcher has 2 patches, usually when more than one subsidiary of CASC worked on it, especially common with CZ5,there's a CASC-CALT patch for the core and a CASC-SAST patch for the boosters. Also happens with CZ6A, a CASC-SAST patch for the core and a CASC-AASPT for the SRBs
So for exemple, Chang'e 6 had in order
-A mission patch
-A payload patch by SAST, who made the spacecraft
-A CASC-CALT patch for their contribution in the core stage
-A CASC-SAST patch for their contribution in the boosters.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:01:47 UTC No. 16328855
>>16328848
Thanks
Long March 5 makes sense, every time it launches itās a very public event. Ugh I love that fat rocket so much its actually interesting even if you find chinaspace dull with their plethora of boring smallsat launchers
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:23:56 UTC No. 16328875
>>16328806
Also this is the first CZ4B launch from Xichang and the first CZ4 familly launch with a 4.2m fairing.
Amazing that SAST are still spending R&D on this 35 yo rocket.
in the past months they've:
>Done CZ6C maiden launch (CZ6A with no booster, shortened S1, and a brand new S2 of a unique diameter)
>Modified CZ6A to have restartable capabilities for constellation deployment and mitigate debris (last one didn't work)
>Done a 12km high VTVL test with a brand new 3.8m methalox hopper
>Finalised CZ-12 (zenit-size ELV) development
>Kept working on the unnamed Falcon-9 size 4.0m Methalox RLV
gotta find a job for the 150,000 employees of CASC.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:30:18 UTC No. 16328881
>>16328875
I think itās also a little bit of desperation to find any way possible to get constellations into space. The obvious answer to abandon these POS rockets altogether and just make a common rocket like LM10 that can use a single core to get shite to orbit, use three cores to do heavier launches/human launches, and just simplify their fleet to three or four launchers max. Maybe LM9, LM10, LM2F (shenzhou launcher) for now but phase it out, and keep something else online like LM11 or something idk
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:38:07 UTC No. 16328889
>>16327957
>As currently configured, Star whiner can't operate -- or even unlock -- autonomously or remotely.
how the fuck are they so incompetent they cant code this basic shit?
>inb4 coding autonomous undocking is hard
thats the kind of attitude that explains why a startup is completely and utterly mogging all governments and the global military industrial complex combined
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:42:58 UTC No. 16328895
>>16328889
It's just typical cost saving measures, they already had autonomous code for the unmanned tests but didn't put it into the manned version of the code cause they didn't think they'd need it.
99% of boeing's problems can be explained by middle managers cutting corners to save a buck.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:43:54 UTC No. 16328898
>>16328848
>patch themes for everyone else: speed, technology, the heavens
>patch themes for CALT: cute things are cute :)
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:44:17 UTC No. 16328899
>>16328889
A better question, and iām sure itās already been asked & answered and I have just missed it, is how was the previous unmanned Starliner flight to the ISS able to undock autonomously but now it cannot?
What was the rationale for changing the code in the capsule? I understand they expected there to be humans in there to undock it but this is kind of a fundamental process; did they not consider the fact that this test flight MAYBE needed the ability to do this? The ability was already there it seems so simple. Was this an attempt to āclean up the codeā since the last test flight? Itās not like removing code saves mass lol why take something out that isnāt a problem
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:49:03 UTC No. 16328903
>>16328899
Best explanation I've seen for this is that there were 2 branches of the code, manned and unmanned. Why risk breaking the manned code for features that would only have a very slight chance of being needed (also >>16328895)
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:49:44 UTC No. 16328904
>>16328899
The problem seems to not be that they don't have the code but that since the unmanned flights they haven't done any updates to the autonomous code but have updated a bunch of other stuff. Basically the code for autonomous undocking wasn't maintained and new updates broke it.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:59:38 UTC No. 16328911
>>16328903
Yup I saw the other post right after I posted. I just did some digging through NSF forums and to the best of my knowledge I think the answer is:
The code hasnāt necessarily been altered, this mission is simply running on āpiloted mode,ā which overrides certain parameters and at this point requires a software update to switch it back into āunmanned modeā. The problem (and this is the part I still donāt understand and am kind of guessing at here) is that itās not as simple as Mission Control or Butch/Suni pressing a few buttons or ordering a switch to āautonomous modeā
How I interpret what Iāve read is that it requires a very specific and complicated process for butch and suni to make this switch to autonomous mode and itās not something they trained for on the ground. So NASA/Boeing needs to scramble with ground tests to make sure they can relay the right way of doing it, butch and suni need to take this information and do complicated shit with the capsuleās computer interface, and then they need to run through a bunch of tests with the Starliner flight computer to make sure they made the switch to āautonomous codeā correctly (which I believe explains what they mean when they say they could potentially ābrickā the docking portāas butch and suni never trained for this and if thereās a fuck up from Boeing relaying the wrong information or B+S fucking up the code transfer then the undocking could fuck up. Reminder that it only took a small coding error on the first attempted flight to make the autonomous mode go crazy with the RCS. Something like that would fuck up the docking port)
So in short, this really should have been a physical switch or button that makes the change from āpilot modeā to āautonomous modeā but alas that doesnāt exist. So this code oversight, which no one bothered to consider, is just as much of a fuck up as the thruster teflon hardware issue it seems.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:03:25 UTC No. 16328914
>>16328705
Too bad Bezos is more interested in just trying to sue spacex rather than actually going to space. While Bezos hires more lawyers, Musk will launch more rockets and in the end Mars will be colonised while Bezos will be forgotten.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:06:53 UTC No. 16328919
>>16328705
Very telling how Bezos wants to implement a strategy based on a trend in resources that's 50 years out of date while Musk wants spawn a self sustaining economy that would actually work
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:18:11 UTC No. 16328930
>>16328919
>Musk wants spawn a self sustaining economy that would actually work
Wow 2 gravity wells with economies at the bottom. That's what we need to reach Kardashev-2!
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:21:19 UTC No. 16328934
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:28:33 UTC No. 16328942
>>16328590
I'm not completely sure why but "small lift launcher with way to many, mostly solid stages" is a common rocket architecture.
see also: Vega, Minotaur, Shavit 2
barkon at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:31:47 UTC No. 16328944
Fags
barkon at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:34:28 UTC No. 16328946
>>16328944
What? Did I do something wrong?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:35:46 UTC No. 16328947
>>16328942
I could be wrong but I think itās because SRB tanks are usually heavier so thereās more incentive to shed mass as you go.
Iām only basing this off the fact that when NASA was designing shuttle, part of the reason they went with SRBs over LRBs is that they estimated the thin LRB tanks would get fucked upon splashdown whereas the thicker SRBs could handle the impact better.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:35:59 UTC No. 16328948
>>16328945
>What did they order?
iguana
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:37:15 UTC No. 16328951
>>16328930
Youāre right. We need carbon negative space stations for BLACKED: Zero G
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:43:54 UTC No. 16328957
>>16328951
Almost correct. We need zero carbon space stations. Bioscum need not apply.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:09:23 UTC No. 16328984
>>16328930
>Kardashev
More on ideas out of date
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:26:20 UTC No. 16329006
>>16328881
It seems like they screwed up (relatively speaking, they're still further along RLV R&D than any other oldspace organisation worldwide) the transition from the "old plan" that existed as late as 2018-2019 (New crewed capsule on CZ7, Beefed up CZ5/CZ5DY for early lunar, SLS/energia-like CZ9 for lunar base) to a coherent new plan.
COVID, getting surprised by SX ramp up, and probably some of the reshuffling and internal politics drama that have been happening at the head of CASC and other missile producers probably didn't help.
The large ramp up of old-gen CZ that culminated in 2021 definitely seemed like a "desperate" reaction.
They also probably made some not too optimal choices, like that early Reusable CZ8 plan that was visibly cancelled (that definitely was a frankenrocket) or making CZ10 both a RLV, the crewed rocket and the modular launar rocket all in one probably lengthened its development.
On the "positive side", it enabled private LSP to "catch up" with CASC in the development of RLV, it's likely that there would have been a lot less investment in them had there been a National Team RLV for a couple of years by this point.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:28:03 UTC No. 16329008
>>16328930
>Muh 1960s sci-fi terminology
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:38:39 UTC No. 16329018
>>16329013
is it still wobbly?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:40:01 UTC No. 16329022
>>16329006
Great points. China is interesting because they are seemingly the only ones adaptable enough to *understand* the implications of SpaceXās Falcon 9 and Starship (they have outright stated that they consider NASA their executive/political foil but see SpaceX as setting the bar in terms of engineering) and are just sort of caught up in the middle of offloading their āold planā while transition to new ideas like LM9 to try and compete with the capabilities of Starship.
While people like Europe and Russia have spent the better part of the last decade coping and are only just now experimenting with F9 clones, China gets the big picture. Itāll be interesting to see what they prioritize in the upcoming decade as ILRS gets further along to putting boots on the lunar surface. Will they try to go more streamlined? Iām not sure but Iām interested nonetheless.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:42:48 UTC No. 16329024
>>16329013
>>16329018
I saw labpadre make a point that the tests have gotten more refined. Quicker, no wobble. He described it as fine tuning
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:45:47 UTC No. 16329028
>>16328984
>>16329008
>muh 'its dated!'
Attempt an argument you nignogs
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:49:19 UTC No. 16329033
WILD prediction: NASA and USSF betting big on BO as a hedge against SpaceX (who are going off the rails on Starship imo). BO will be instrumental for the 'real HLS', its own constellation as well as various large GEO projects.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:50:27 UTC No. 16329035
Worth your attention. Berger quoted this and said he is preparing a political detail on the two US political candidateās space policies. He might trash Kamala in the coming days lol
https://x.com/gregwautry/status/182
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:51:40 UTC No. 16329040
>>16329018
Yes, and I think it will simply remain that way somewhat, until those arms are shortened, lightened, and fully optimized. These particular prototype arms are destined to be destroyed in the booster's first landing mishap. So what, if they need to run them all out and over limits momentum-wise, with the glaring overshoot and oscillation issues, they are going to try it fucking anyway, miracles happen when you try. They will have them replaced/upgraded in a few months after an accident, and within a year regardless, even if they don't have a landing accident, its upgrade time soon, the first ones are so shitty looking to be honest
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:54:09 UTC No. 16329043
>>16329018
>>16329024
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/statu
this is the latest realtime test of both arms
seems ok
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:56:32 UTC No. 16329050
>>16329043
I guess it depends on how close the arms will be during landing and how long they plan for booster to hover
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:56:56 UTC No. 16329051
>>16329028
The kardashev scale has never had scientific merit or value anon
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:57:22 UTC No. 16329052
The estronaut tour got me thinking. Blue's plan makes sense if their goal is to out compete oldspace using their own methods.
his constant talk about how it's all a money and practicality problem, his horse race talk about a cheap expendable second stage (hydromeme made in a cleanroom) vs reusable.
New Glenn would absolutely dominate in a world of SLSs, Vulcan Centaurs, and Ariane 6s.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:58:20 UTC No. 16329054
>>16329052
That's just proves how much better is reusable rocket
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:02:46 UTC No. 16329057
>>16329051
I think given the monotonic rise of energy use since the industrial revolution extrapolating it into the future has merit. I'm open to counter arguments other than 'dat shieet be 1960s so it don' matter' if you have them
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:03:46 UTC No. 16329061
>>16328803
Fucking hell, get your shit together anons.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:05:30 UTC No. 16329063
>>16329054
there's a lot of that but it's more than that. even though I just mocked GS2 I'd put money on it being a fraction of the cost of either ICPS or EUS. His first stage doesn't need SRBs partially because his MIC overlords don't need to keep the missile factories busy and partially because they're just not good from a business proposition. I think he understands that and implemented it in a lot of places.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:06:39 UTC No. 16329067
>>16328803
>so a janny nuked all /sfg/s from the catalog
Mercy kill at this point
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:07:46 UTC No. 16329069
>>16329052
Iāve been saying this a lot recently but yeah itās a Vulcan-Centaur XL. It competes with these new gen oldspace rockets like Vulcan, Ariane 6, by virtue of being reusable.
Even if Vulcan gets SMART reuse, BO has the advantage of getting the entire stage back. Pretty much the same amount of refurb (granted BO will have a learning curve like SX had with needing to investigate refurb of the tank itself as well: welds, critical components and how many times they can be reused, etc. but you learn your tolerances soon enough)
This is what baffles me: Iād argue the whole horse race thing should just go to a reusable second stage. Make it reusable NOW, try to drive the price of THAT down.
Also, though I said NG was competitive with newer rockets, unfortunately for BO they exist in a world with Starship. So even if it can try and eat up F9 and FH manifests itās not going to be top dawg
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:10:30 UTC No. 16329070
>>16329069
>Even if Vulcan gets SMART reuse
Does anyone actually believe this is ever happening?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:11:06 UTC No. 16329071
https://youtu.be/fRL9ev8RaSQ?si=osb
Its over for Marscels
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:11:40 UTC No. 16329072
>>16329069
>Make it reusable NOW, try to drive the price of THAT down.
never going to happen. they will use reusability as an excuse to push for more and more expensive more performant stages like they did with GS1.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:12:40 UTC No. 16329073
>>16329070
Ehhh I think it will. Tory said they expect to do testing once they ramp up launch cadence and I believe him. Itās not going to be a market changer or anything and at best it will just be selective reuse in small numbers, but is it going to happen? I think yeah
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:14:49 UTC No. 16329076
>>16328911
Huh, I hope someone ends up doing a deep dive into all of this cause it sounds super interesting.
>>16329035
Honestly I'm kinda interested in what Kamala's stance is on space, is she apathetic, does she hate musk, does she hate space altogether?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:14:57 UTC No. 16329077
>>16329072
thereās arguably nothing stopping them (except themselves lol) from chasing a reusable, eventually cheap second stage and also going after a performant third stage
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:17:07 UTC No. 16329082
X Spaces @SpaceX on X
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>A8MHX
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:19:45 UTC No. 16329090
>>16329076
>Kamala's stance is on space
https://youtu.be/nxKjIYYebqk?t=23
Lmao, have a listen to her speak on the subject herself.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:22:23 UTC No. 16329096
>>16329092
what rideshare sat would (You) make, anon?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:24:31 UTC No. 16329101
>>16329095
More just āthis sounds badass,ā which they get to do because maxar is indeed badass.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:24:42 UTC No. 16329102
>>16329028
Alright, O'Neil's idea was that space would be the solution to Earth running out of resources, but in the last fifty years we've learned that the assumptions of economists in the 70s were wrong, and we've managed to extract more resources on Earth and lift like 4 billion people out of poverty. Blue Origin's entire business model is based on that idea. There are no sound numbers for that whatsoever. Elon's idea is to do something that already works, which is have an economy in a gravity well based around everyone wanting to stay alive and improve their conditions.
The Kardashev scale makes no arguments so I dismiss it with none. It's the baseless supposition of a soviet astronomer that was compelling enough as a sci fi topic to make it's way into any pop sci slop talking about the future.
>and a type four could zip around the universe with black holes and even white holes and maybe another dimension!!!
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:24:49 UTC No. 16329104
>>16329096
nta but QI drive mark 2 (where the fuck is it)
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:25:31 UTC No. 16329106
>>16329096
A quantized inertia drive that doesnāt inexplicably break before it can be tested
>inb4 tape outgassing drive
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:28:41 UTC No. 16329111
>>16329073
>once they ramp up launch cadence
They launch like 5 times a year
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:28:58 UTC No. 16329112
>>16329092
>>16329096
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/202
What does half this shit even do besides clutter up LEO? Planet's Dovesats at least do a thing, they seem useful, but if I see another "tech demonstrator" cubesat I'm going to break something.
šļø barkon at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:29:46 UTC No. 16329113
I don't think so
Veryfying
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:34:21 UTC No. 16329121
>>16329096
solar sail/e-sail/plasma magnet/QI meme drive tech demonstrator sats, something exciting and with groundbreaking potential
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:34:36 UTC No. 16329122
>>16329111
Bruno says they want to do a launch every two weeks before the end of 2025
Aspirational? No doubt. But any increase whatsoever could give them more opportunity to test
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:35:25 UTC No. 16329123
>>16329102
>The Kardashev scale makes no arguments
The monotonic increase in energy consumption is an observed fact. Why, barring civilizational collapse, would it stop? And of course it can't continue on a planetary surface without unwelcome heat pollution. These two factors persuade me Kardashev was onto something.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:36:29 UTC No. 16329126
>>16329123
>monotonic increase
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:37:12 UTC No. 16329128
>>16329111
they have 38 launches contracted for project kuiper. split that over a few years and add it to their regularly scheduled government launches. not to shabby
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:37:41 UTC No. 16329131
>>16329123
This might be the most pseudointellectual post this general has ever had the misfortune of hosting kek
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:39:07 UTC No. 16329134
>>16328930
It unironically is what we need to do to achieve interplanetary civilization, yes. We cannot go from the ISS to a dyson swarm in one step. We must colonize the Moon and Mars, figure out practical asteroid mining at Mars' moons, and then colonize the asteroid belt. From there K2 civilization is a matter of time.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:40:03 UTC No. 16329136
>>16329090
I had to kill the video after 30 seconds
No wonder NASA has been in a demoralizing, death-spiral, brain-drained agency, forced to do the dumbest, most humiliating things (in PUBLIC) only while cancelling everything super interesting project with so much better science value return, yet still within reach budget wise (no favoritism).
Put the smartest science panel we have together to make smart policy, and lets leave politics out, why is a fucking vice president overseeing a basic science research organization that needs decades-long, consistent vision and funding? Stop trying to inspire nogs with that kind of "education", instead tell them about the scientific papers they will be writing when they do their PhD thesis using the advanced instruments being planned TODAY. Surely, I see a scientist, and engineer, and entrepreneur... in that room
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:40:19 UTC No. 16329139
>>16328945
Jeff did ignore Elon, yes.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:40:57 UTC No. 16329140
>>16329112
Ok this one is cool at least, very Italian in design too
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:41:43 UTC No. 16329143
>>16328947
The casing on an SRB is analogous to the combustion chamber casing on a liquid rocket engine. It's a giant highly pressurized tube, much heavier than liquid rocket fuel tanks per unit volume.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:44:59 UTC No. 16329151
>>16329028
The kardashev scale is purely about visibility of a given civilization to aliens in the universe. K1 was considered the smallest detectable size for a civilization, while K3 was so big it would be unmistakeable, with K2 being the middle ground for detectable yet still requiring dedicated surveying.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:45:25 UTC No. 16329153
>>16329131
>dis mf talking like sephiroth n shieet
/sfg/ is for Whites and East Asians only, you have to go back
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:47:12 UTC No. 16329155
>>16329126
Show some data if you dispute it
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:50:41 UTC No. 16329160
>>16329071
>problems exist
wow you're telling me this for the first time
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:51:34 UTC No. 16329162
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:53:18 UTC No. 16329164
>>16329162
Not looking good
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:56:35 UTC No. 16329169
>>16329162
Itās almost september and theyāre only at 3, do they really expect to squeeze five more launches in four months??
Also lol at the footnote about missions being split off of ULA to another provider
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:57:57 UTC No. 16329170
>>16329162
how do I acquire a fake gay job such as āoldspace infographic designerā? Must be comfy!
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:58:45 UTC No. 16329171
>>16329169
off the top of my head they kicked out dreamchaser for a boilerplate second mission in order to get the rocket certified and launch 2 government payloads by the end of the year. so that's 3 for VC if the schedule doesn't slip. IDK what they have planned for atlas but it only needs 2 to hit 8 for the year.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:01:25 UTC No. 16329177
>>16329171
Unfortunately itās not easy to simply reshuffle these things but, it would probably save so many headaches to just move escaPADE to Vulcan (that way they donāt just have to do a boilerplate for certification and they know the rocket is ready to go) and switch Dreamchaser to New Glenn, as both NG and DC probably need a little more time
šļø barkon at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:02:03 UTC No. 16329179
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:06:03 UTC No. 16329185
>>16329177
I'm going to go against the grain here and say New Glenn will probably be ready in time for escapade.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:12:29 UTC No. 16329195
>>16329185
I think so too, maybe. Iād say I have like 70-80% confidence they might be able to stack, test, hotfire, and launch. But they need to get the ball rolling now! They have the hardware and I have to only assume theyāre serious about getting it ready.
Dream Chaser though for sure needs more time (thatās why Vulcan is now just launching a boilerplate) and the New Glenn team, Iām sure, would be more than happy to be told they can now aim for some early 2025 launch for DC instead of sweating over an October rush. Plus that would allow then to seriously attempt a rapid back-to-back with DC launching and then launching their Blue Moon mission which is slated for early 2025
Again though, this is hypothetical and not happening either way
šļø barkon at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:13:31 UTC No. 16329197
They reckon
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:19:31 UTC No. 16329206
>>16329121
>>16329106
>>16329104
The worst thing about the meme drives is the agonizing wait for it to finally be tested so you can know if its actually something or just bullshit
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:23:05 UTC No. 16329209
>>16329206
the worst part of being a skeptical optimist is, unfortunately, knowing itās going to fail or return huge error bars that need a āretest,ā but having the autism to need to constantly track these launches and failures nontheless
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:29:06 UTC No. 16329214
>>16329095
>panopticon
>satanic theme
What are you talking about?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:36:22 UTC No. 16329221
Whatās Terran orbital up to? They really havenāt done anything for awhile. Also are there any newspace companies that are on the public market? I wanna put my money into something that will make a profit.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:38:28 UTC No. 16329223
>>16329209
Pretty much lol
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:38:48 UTC No. 16329224
>>16329221
Didnt Terran orbital go bankrupt and bought by lockheed last week
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:39:57 UTC No. 16329225
>51 objects are being tracked from the Transporter-10 mission, with 15 of those still unidentified. Some of the unidentified payloads have been declared lost by their owners, including the two Jackal satellites and the Optimus OTV. Others still to be identified include CBAS-LACE 2 (the other satellite in this pair has been identified), IRIS-F1, M3, ONDOSAT-OWL-1 and -2, OrbAstro-TR2, PYXIS, the four PY4 spacecraft, and Veery-0E.
>get a smooth ride to orbit
>see your satellite deploy with a livestream
>still doesn't work
cubesats are a meme
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:40:48 UTC No. 16329226
>>16329225
space is hard
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:52:47 UTC No. 16329237
>>16329226
I literally cannot think of a gentler environment to design non-serviceable equipment for than a zero G vacuum with 24/7 sunlight (sun-synchronous orbit). If your shit is breaking down when there's zero humidity, zero corrosion, zero temperature variability, zero power supply variability, you shit just sucks!
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:54:40 UTC No. 16329241
>>16329237
SPACE. IS. HARD!
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:57:04 UTC No. 16329245
>>16328636
Some anon screaming "go back to /pol/" to everybody who he didnt agree with.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:58:13 UTC No. 16329246
>>16329225
Cubesats are still being designed with minimizing mass as a priority, which is retarded. Your shit doesn't even have maneuvering thrusters, stop worrying about mass!
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:59:18 UTC No. 16329249
>>16329136
>why is a fucking vice president overseeing a basic science research organization that needs decades-long, consistent vision and funding?
This would be okay if the VP in question had an interest in NASA and surrounded themselves with talented people whom they could rely on to make sound policy decisions.
That's obviously not the case here, and that VP has no business trying to oversee anything. Those were child actors too btw, lol. Fake and gay.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 16:59:31 UTC No. 16329250
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:00:52 UTC No. 16329253
>>16329140
>The PTD 4 (Pathfinder Technology Demonstrator 4) is a 6U CubeSat technology demonstration mission to demonstrate demonstrate a very high-power, low-volume deployable solar array with an integrated antenna called the Lightweight Integrated Solar Array and anTenna, or LISA-T, being developed by NASAās Marshall Spaceflight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
Each PTD mission consists of a 6-unit (6U) CubeSat weighing approximately 12 kilograms and measuring 30 cm Ć 25 cm Ć 10 cm. Each PTD spacecraft will also be equipped with deployable solar arrays that provide an average of 44 watts of power while in orbit.
Current LISA-T designs are scalable from 100 to 500 watts, with options to scale up to 1000 watts and beyond. Utilizing small spacecraft for missions in deep space will necessitate the need for more electrical power, and LISA-Tās thin film solar array offers lower mass, lower stowed volume, and 300% more power per mass and volume allocation than the current state-of-the-art thick film solar arrays.
Huh, neat fold-out design at least.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:01:45 UTC No. 16329255
>>16329237
Yeah you should just be able to throw a computer into space and have it work fine! Cooling, why would you need that in a vacuum?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:28:23 UTC No. 16329283
>>16329241
Space is SO hard that the Voyager probes are still functioning decades and decades after launch
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:29:50 UTC No. 16329285
>>16329283
Voyager is older than some anon's parents.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:30:54 UTC No. 16329286
>>16329255
You are RETARDED if you think I don't extend my point of "just make it robust and reliable and fuck the extra two kilos it adds" doesn't extend to cooling and other systems, you disingenuous FUCK.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:31:24 UTC No. 16329287
>>16329237
>>16329283
the actual answer is that space has extremely high rates of infant mortality. it's not hard, per say, but it's different enough from earth that ground testing is imperfect.
sats and probes that turn on and survive the first few orbits often survive for years beyond their expected lifespan
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:34:30 UTC No. 16329290
>>16329283
Different breed of men who built insane, functional hardware. I often think about how refrigerators fromm the 50s-60s are often still chugging along fine, yet modern 10-year-old fridges die an hero.
Also helps that they threw a shitload of nuclear fuel onto those probes. Theyāre running on fumes now but running nonetheless. Meanwhile something like New Horizons is going to be unusable in the next ten years because it doesnāt have enough juice to keep going.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:36:41 UTC No. 16329293
>>16329287
This is true but it's only true because we keep reinventing the same tech over and over instead of using what works. Look at how many Starlink satellites function perfectly, it's because SpaceX solves an engineering problem then declares it SOLVED unless further issues persist. After a couple generations of this the tech just works. Space is NOT hard.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:37:59 UTC No. 16329296
>>16329290
Crazy that the voyager probes are going to die soon, and that will make New Horizons the only functional āfurthest piece of human techā out there and itās going to die as well. We will be left with nothing.
Likely by that point the record will be the Chinese Uranus probe, wherever it will be in the solar system and assuming itās past Jupiter
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:40:55 UTC No. 16329298
>>16329293
Soyuz: it just werks
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:54:21 UTC No. 16329308
>>16328813
It's Nezha, a chinese god.
>Nezha is the third son and assistant of Li Jing (ęé, lĒjƬng), a deified Shang dynasty general and leader of the heavenly army charged with bringing to reason the evil spirits that thwart divine will and torment men; Nezha himself commands a section of the army. A young and rebellious personality, he was one of the few gods to retain some official favor as a popular cultural figure in China during the 1960s and 70s.
>As in traditional folklore, Nezha flies around swiftly on his wind fire wheels, so he is also regarded as the tutelary god of many professional drivers, like trucks, taxis, or sightseeing bus drivers. They tend to place a small statue of Nezha in the vehicles for a safe drive.[3]
>Nezha is also often regarded as the patron god of children and filial piety. Parents would make an offering to Nezha with the hope that their children would grow up strong, healthy, and be dutiful and respectful.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:20:48 UTC No. 16329345
>>16329298
Soyuz proves my point completely. Even modern russians can fly a crewed spacecraft successfully on a regular bases as long as they just build & assemble the same proven hardware over and over. Emphasis on "as long as".
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:28:45 UTC No. 16329353
https://youtu.be/_cmrLaEAF9o
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:30:02 UTC No. 16329355
>116 checks NOT written to rocket lab
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:30:41 UTC No. 16329356
So a couple of years ago NASA had a call for commercial upper stage solutions for SLS when it was apparent EUS might have been over budget and over schedule (spoiler: it ended up being both). Blue Origin bid its New Glenn Stage 2. NASA said thanks but no thanks, itās expensive and it wonāt even fit through the VAB door once stacked.
At this point fuck it, figure it out. Raise the VAB door. Bezos cares so much about his ego and legacy and optics he will practically give you a free upper stage for easy SLS launch.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:44:07 UTC No. 16329368
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1gqxvNmy
transporter stream is up
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:46:39 UTC No. 16329374
>>16329368
thatās wierd? SpaceX let a video get in the way of their pixelated X broadcast
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:52:46 UTC No. 16329378
kino sonic boom montage
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:53:22 UTC No. 16329380
>>16329308
Thats a man?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:56:46 UTC No. 16329383
>>16329378
they are trying really hard to notify everyone about these, because Starship always will be RTLS, and want public buy-in
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:57:23 UTC No. 16329384
>see stream
>open stream
>lift-off
kino
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:59:35 UTC No. 16329385
why is the mylar around mvac jiggling? another leak?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:00:47 UTC No. 16329387
>>16329385
normal heartbeat of this living engine
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:02:47 UTC No. 16329389
>>16328911
>Reminder that it only took a small coding error on the first attempted flight to make the autonomous mode go crazy
Requires installed hardware such as computer triggered undock igniters. Why should the do that if there is no software for that.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:03:56 UTC No. 16329391
another happy landing
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:04:21 UTC No. 16329392
>>16329388
Got some bad news for ya anon
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:04:31 UTC No. 16329393
>BANG-Bu-BAN-BANG, BRRRRRRRRRRRrRrRrRrR
Love it
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:07:31 UTC No. 16329396
>>16329383
Main reason is that Starship sonic boom will be louder according to the recent FAA document, honestly might be too much
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:07:57 UTC No. 16329397
>>16329389
Wait what I donāt understand what youāre asking
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:11:52 UTC No. 16329401
>>16329368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4L
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:14:47 UTC No. 16329402
the song playing right now is an absolute banger
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:17:29 UTC No. 16329405
>tfw more nervous about the brand new 2nd stages than the burnt as fuck booster
Only about 60 more successive landings before 1st stage landings meet the consecutive mission success rate
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:19:24 UTC No. 16329407
>>16329405
Itās the same stage it just has a shitty sensor removed lol
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:23:23 UTC No. 16329410
>why are we suddenly bringing up sonic booms all the time in our twitter threads and posts?
>oh no reason, haha don't worry, they're not that bad
>oh btw Superheavy sonic boom (remember those) might be a tad bit louder than Falcon but not by much so not a big deal don't worry about it silly!
>anyways we're gonna be launching 25 times a year maybe more lol
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:26:01 UTC No. 16329416
>>16329410
you would NOT have appreciated being around during the introduction of electricity lol
>oh those ugly wires in the sky don't worry were just going to string them to every single building hehe
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:27:38 UTC No. 16329420
>>16329416
Just saying everything points to superheavy sonic boom being much louder than expected and they're trying to prepare half of Southern Texas for that
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:27:41 UTC No. 16329421
>>16329407
The problem was the sensor/pipe wasn't installed correctly, not the existence of it.
Removing it was just the easy fix so it will never be a potential issue again even if a one-off accident, but there is plenty that could go wrong with something new.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:31:47 UTC No. 16329427
>>16328778
Ride Jeff's Penis-Rocket
It goes up and down, just like a real penis-rocket.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:44:04 UTC No. 16329440
>>16329420
Sonic booms are not that big a deal. Been at air shows that had a sonic boom and it was as loud as being a few miles away from an airport. NIMBYfags and faggot boomers just froth at anything new. Justice for the Concord
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:45:11 UTC No. 16329441
>>16329439
What was this supposed to be? A header tank for landing?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:45:34 UTC No. 16329444
>>16329440
Tiny ass jet plane vs. giant steel cylinder
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:46:47 UTC No. 16329448
>>16329035
>Worth your attention. Berger quoted this and said he is preparing a political detail on the two US political candidateās space policies. He might trash Kamala in the coming days lol
proof that berger reads /sfg/?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:49:43 UTC No. 16329451
>>16329441
methane tank to make sure the payload doesn't get too big
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:50:34 UTC No. 16329454
>>16329410
kek, what else can you do. Gotta do your best to CYA now while you can
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:51:35 UTC No. 16329456
>>16329451
lmfao
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:51:50 UTC No. 16329458
>>16329439
Looks like a moonshine still.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:52:51 UTC No. 16329460
>>16329410
>"Fuck your property values, holdout cunts" t. Elon
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:55:43 UTC No. 16329463
"Anon-sat 1 deploy confirmed"
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:57:24 UTC No. 16329466
>ISISpace
nice name
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:02:58 UTC No. 16329473
BOEING AND LOCKHEED MARTIN IN TALKS TO SELL UNITED LAUNCH ALLIANCE TO SIERRA SPACE - RTRS
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:04:22 UTC No. 16329477
>>16329473
Would be a freaking phenomenal acquisition for them holy shit. Talk about building a portfolio
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:04:49 UTC No. 16329478
>>16329473
>it's real
https://www.reuters.com/business/ae
what the fuc
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:06:04 UTC No. 16329481
Flock 7428 deploy confirmed
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:08:23 UTC No. 16329486
>sierra vs spacex vs blue origin
inb4 sierra buys out rocket lab too
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:08:39 UTC No. 16329487
>>16329478
ULA referred Reuters to Boeing and Lockheed for comment. The two companies said they do not comment on market speculation. Sierra did not immediately return a request for comment.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:10:37 UTC No. 16329490
KINO KINO KINO
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:12:57 UTC No. 16329494
godamn kino lighting
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:22:42 UTC No. 16329512
>>16329439
What's the point of this. Just make the whole upper nose cone section tanks.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:25:10 UTC No. 16329517
This is the most aesthetic Transporter mission by far
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:25:36 UTC No. 16329519
>>16329482
maybe this explains why Tory has had his panties in a bunch
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:29:48 UTC No. 16329523
>>16329410
Spaceport Australia when
There's already US bases and there's miles of uninhabited coastline
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:32:45 UTC No. 16329533
>>16329523
an ARSE austronaut is supposedly on the list for an upcoming axiom flight
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:35:30 UTC No. 16329535
>>16329533
She can pull some real Raygunn moves up there
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 20:53:20 UTC No. 16329553
>>16329535
kek I was thinking the same thing. That dummy did irreversible damage to the image of aussies
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:11:20 UTC No. 16329570
>>16329478
It might be a good time to bring this up
https://x.com/jenakuns/status/18215
>Glassdoor's is a mixed bag; there's this disconnect between negative noise and actual execution, negativity bias and all that. But damn does it feel like Sierra Space are screwed. I am put reasonable odds of Dreamchaser-1 going worse than OFT-1.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:12:06 UTC No. 16329571
>>16329523
Reopen Woomera?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:22:50 UTC No. 16329583
>>16329439
Why can't the oxygen and methane headers have a common bulkhead?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:28:55 UTC No. 16329590
>>16329570
Holy shit hahahahahahah
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:29:33 UTC No. 16329592
I swear SpaceX is switching to the camera that won't show separation for every separation.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:30:10 UTC No. 16329593
>>16329592
feeds are frozen
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:31:28 UTC No. 16329595
>>16329592
They weren't when I got pissed off enough to post that.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:38:04 UTC No. 16329599
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:42:33 UTC No. 16329600
>>16329599
u ok?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:48:47 UTC No. 16329605
I missed the livestream
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:02:09 UTC No. 16329615
odd, I don't remember film thing inflate and deflate like this:
https://youtu.be/_cmrLaEAF9o?t=1980
am I wrong? maybe they changed something after their last incident?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:12:11 UTC No. 16329626
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:13:12 UTC No. 16329628
>>16329397
Sorry, do not know if they installed the hardware to do automatic. Me think it would be a risk to wire e.g. the explosion bolts to an automatic if there is no use for.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:13:52 UTC No. 16329629
>>16329626
>per person
Liar.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:20:11 UTC No. 16329637
>>16329630
We're only 7.5 months into the year
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:22:20 UTC No. 16329638
>>16329630
>229 / 366 = 0.625
>154 / 0.625 = 246
there will be two hundred and forty six launches this year, twenty three more than there were in 2023
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:25:47 UTC No. 16329639
>>16329630
>we
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:26:25 UTC No. 16329641
>>16329639
whats it like being from a country that cant launch rockets?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:29:29 UTC No. 16329645
>>16329641
Why do you think I am questioning your self insertion.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:30:09 UTC No. 16329646
>>16329629
population will go down too. The UN is retarded and vastly overestimates future population growth, the peak will be in the 2060s
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:30:30 UTC No. 16329647
>>16329645
my tax money bitch
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:30:33 UTC No. 16329648
>>16329629
bad cope. energy is the fundamental currency. energy per person should increase not decrease. at this rate china will win the ai race
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:32:06 UTC No. 16329650
>>16329641
>>16329647
Kek based
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:32:41 UTC No. 16329651
>Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin and Cerberus Capital Management had placed bids in early 2023 for the company, according to people familiar with the negotiations. Rocket Lab had also expressed interest, two people said. None of those discussions led to a deal.
>A deal could value ULA at around $2 billion to $3 billion, the sources said.
SpaceX is officially valued at 100 times the value of ULA
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 22:35:09 UTC No. 16329655
>>16329651
Yeah I was gonna say, that seems pretty low
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:19:26 UTC No. 16329690
>>16329651
S-surely they mean $20-30 billion...
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:23:27 UTC No. 16329694
>>16329691
Boing is still too big to fail though
Also, seems like a great opportunity to short it...
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:23:42 UTC No. 16329696
>>16329691
>airplanes can no longer be trusted to carry the president
RETVRN
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:26:15 UTC No. 16329701
>>16329696
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:27:02 UTC No. 16329702
>>16329696
how many years before the president of the united states has his own spacecraft for transportation? space force one
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:33:14 UTC No. 16329711
>/sfg/ers are also train fans
woah
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:35:17 UTC No. 16329713
>>16329691
ALL ABOARD THE INTERSTELLAR EXPRESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYT
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Aug 2024 23:55:14 UTC No. 16329734
>>16329296
I really hope we get to see Voyager active at 50 years
It's starting to look possible
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:05:29 UTC No. 16329742
>>16329711
I don't care about Elon's autism, there WILL be trains on Mars. FACT!!!
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:08:48 UTC No. 16329748
>>16329742
Trains are a lot easier on Mars because you don't have to fight an uphill battle with eminent domain. You can just build them
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:08:53 UTC No. 16329749
>>16329742
>trains are already super efficient because of the extremely reduced rolling friction
>now we remove 95% of atmospheric drag
It's going to be kino.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:08:55 UTC No. 16329750
>>16329651
>Rocket Lab
lmao
Is this Beck's idea of a joke? What would they even do with them, the cultures must be vastly different and I doubt Rocket Lab has enough people to manage something like that.
Captcha: AXAXA8
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:16:10 UTC No. 16329763
>>16329711
Trains are dope, I fucking love trains. Big oil and auto robbed us of something that would have been so kino.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:17:09 UTC No. 16329765
>>16329742
>>16329748
>>16329749
Holy shit it just hit me:
>1/3 gravity
>basically zero atmospheric drag
>no retarded regulations or centuries-old infrastructure to deal with
Mars is going to have trains the width of buildings, I mean the spacing between the tracks is going to be easily 12+ feet.
We talk about tipping over starships and turning them into habitats... we're going to tip them over and turn them into rail cars.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:17:24 UTC No. 16329766
>>16329750
Worth it for the fleet for the military contracts maybe
>>16329742
>pressurized passenger trains on high speed rail going in a perfectly straight line as long as the width of the US
>open cars of ore and ice automatically carried nonstop to processing just outside the pressurized volumes
kino kino KINOOOO
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:17:29 UTC No. 16329767
>>16329750
Given how ULA has been shedding personnel I don't think THEY have the personnel to manage ULA.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:17:30 UTC No. 16329768
I always throught that only leftists were train nerds.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:22:03 UTC No. 16329773
>>16329766
Yeah a lot of people talk about vac trains and maglev but you don't even really need that and it would be very expensive. HSR will have insane efficiency on Mars and the number one expense by a huge margin is track maintennance from galling and such. At .38g that wear rate will be massively reduced. Train can be much lighter than on Earth since passengers are .38 their original weight and you can make the carriage much less heavy due to decreased loading.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:24:19 UTC No. 16329778
>>16329768
Unfortunately, that isn't the case.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:25:29 UTC No. 16329781
Reminder if you don't appreciate trains you can hand your autism card back in at the door.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:26:42 UTC No. 16329784
>>16329778
>Unfortunately
??
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:28:01 UTC No. 16329786
>>16329696
Kino alert
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:28:54 UTC No. 16329787
>>16329763
Come to Yurop, we still have trains. Don't worry about the lack of roggets, surely RFA will save us, right?
>>16329767
kek fair
You have to hand it to Tory though he's done a great job downsizing to get costs under control seemingly without too much drama
>>16329768
why tho
>american politics and offtopic bait but aren't trains a shining example of conquering the wilderness and advancing technology and civilisation? And if the argument is public transit aren't most trains in the US freight ones in service of big companies?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:29:50 UTC No. 16329788
>>16329768
Last time I rode the subway in NYC I got harassed by a black schizophrenic on the way in and then a different one actually on the train said none of us deserved to live because we didn't give him a dollar. Then right when he got off a black stripper with a juke box got on and started dancing on the pole.
My interest in trains at this point is purely theoretical and I do not which to experience the current paradigm ever again.
>>16329765
>we're going to tip them over and turn them into rail cars
Holy shit man that's a great solution to the fleet of empties we're going to have
>>16329773
Yeah just slap down some lengths of steel, no need to go crazy with the tech. God damn I'm so excited
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:31:29 UTC No. 16329790
>>16329788
>which
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:34:35 UTC No. 16329794
>>16329630
retard
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:38:24 UTC No. 16329796
>>16329787
>Come to Yurop, we still have trains
actually america has fucktons of trains. all cargo. no passenger rail. if you like trainspotting but hate riding trains america is your place
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:02:28 UTC No. 16329818
>>16329767
Kek true
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:08:10 UTC No. 16329822
>>16329767
>Given how ULA has been shedding personnel
isn't that what companies do before they sell out?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:11:58 UTC No. 16329824
>>16329822
nta
yes, but also they have shitty aspirations and they are losing personnel to SpaceX, Rocket Lab, and nuspace in general
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:12:16 UTC No. 16329825
>>16329822
I'm not sure it's intentional.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:12:16 UTC No. 16329826
>>16329822
It's less anything ULA has done intentionally and more the fact that SpaceX, Blue Origin, et al, are doing more exciting work and offering better pay and benefits. People are leaving because no one really wants to work for the space company that only launches twice a year.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:17:23 UTC No. 16329828
>>16329825
>>16329826
>0 seconds apart
hivemind
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:19:33 UTC No. 16329831
>>16329788
Try Shinkansen in Japan for pure train excellency.
For how train service is integrated into everyday city life, try MTR in Hong Kong. It's the most profitable public transport service in the world without sacrificing quality, and they do it by capturing most of the positive externality.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:27:23 UTC No. 16329837
>>16329831
The problem is never five minute cities. The problem is the people that would end up living in five minute cities
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:30:44 UTC No. 16329840
>>16329214
>What are you talking about?
Mark 5:8-9
>For He said to him, āCome out of the man, unclean spirit!ā
>Then He asked him, āWhat is your name?ā And he answered, saying, āMy name is Legion; for we are many.ā
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 01:37:41 UTC No. 16329844
>>16329646
>population will go down too
Not necessarily. Longevity treatments might raise lifespans or contraception might be restricted to mothers of 3 given political upheavals
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 02:23:27 UTC No. 16329868
>>16329846
Ohnononono
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 03:45:08 UTC No. 16329913
>>16329831
>I want to travel fast
>Should I travel on the ground and waste tons of energy forcing myself to plough through the thickest part of the atmosphere while assuring that any tiny course deviation causes me to strike physical obstacles resulting in the death of crew and passengers?
>Or should I travel at high altitude where there is practically zero aerodynamic resistance and safely steer clear of all obstacles giving the crew ample time to correct any course deviations or other problems?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 03:48:53 UTC No. 16329917
>>16329913
Enjoy your flight with Boeing 737 MAX 9.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 03:52:17 UTC No. 16329919
>>16329570
are spaceplanes cursed?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 03:54:50 UTC No. 16329921
>>16329919
Old Space is a parasite that will leap to infect any company given the chance.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 04:08:34 UTC No. 16329925
I'm legitimately curious. have we ever seen the boobs of an astronaut?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 04:15:44 UTC No. 16329928
>>16329583
The more the tanks are rounded off, the lighter you can make them and the less potential for slosh
Propellent has momentum and in an oblong or cylinder shaped tank it means additional torque stress from forcing the propellent to occupy a different space every time that tanks orientation changes.
A sphere on the other hand, if you were to change it's orientation, you'll find only the spherical tank really just moves around the propellent.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 04:19:22 UTC No. 16329931
>>16329913
How you gonna fly an aeroplane on Mars genius
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 05:55:13 UTC No. 16329985
>>16329840
Oh, so that's where this phrase is from.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 06:26:24 UTC No. 16330003
>>16329224
Not bankrupt, but saved by the bell (lmao Bell) by LockMart finishing the job that was started months ago.
>>16329237
>Zero temperature variability
>Zero power supply variability
Get a load of this fucking retard.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 06:35:02 UTC No. 16330005
I shit my pants
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 07:28:14 UTC No. 16330028
>>16330003
You're the retard who doesn't know what a sun synchronous orbit is
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:07:31 UTC No. 16330053
>>16329570
>>16329919
Yes and this is so sad that I am ceasing all future āStarship is a Spaceplaneā posts (iām being serious) because this is kind of the last straw for me
Spaceplanes have some sort of evil wicked spell cast upon them by von Braun or something
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:52:47 UTC No. 16330086
BRILLIANT PEBBLES
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:55:43 UTC No. 16330087
>>16329931
nuke the poles
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:41:06 UTC No. 16330107
>>16330053
>Spaceplanes have some sort of evil wicked spell cast upon them by von Braun or something
Maybe you are on to something
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:44:51 UTC No. 16330111
>>16329768
You either have the "muh walkable cities" crowd, or the 80 year old boomer whose pappy and grandpappy worked on the rails.
Also, don't look up "boomer train nerd" on Bing images.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:47:41 UTC No. 16330112
>>16330107
von Braun is the original spaceplane fag. Look at how he's looking at his model.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:58:34 UTC No. 16330121
>>16330112
That's the look of a man who can see a future that your to small minded for to imagine.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:09:30 UTC No. 16330128
>>16330112
>>16330121
We all know, he admired Hitler and remained loyal to the grand vision, eliminating "dead weight" from our planet. If Germany won the war we would already be well into the solar system by now, instead of constantly dragged back the the aforementioned dead weight
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:12:59 UTC No. 16330131
>>16330128
The next boots on the moon will be from african american woman (male)
And you will like it!!
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:14:14 UTC No. 16330133
>>16330131
No we won't. But having gay nigger die in space would be fun to watch.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:19:22 UTC No. 16330141
>>16330128
Imagine you had a state sponsored program ala 1960s NASA staffed only by the most brilliant white dudes funded to the tune of 5% of the annual budget every year. We would have been on Mars in the 70s, starship in 80s and who the fuck knows how far out by now, Jupiter? Further with a meme drive?
No it's OK I love coca cola and mcdonalds. Very cool.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:21:04 UTC No. 16330143
>>16330112
>those swept wings and canards
Royal Space Force energy
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:22:23 UTC No. 16330146
>>16330112
He would be converted in an instant if you showed him the light of starship. They just didn't know better.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:25:15 UTC No. 16330149
>>16330112
He knew to put the spacecraft at the top of the rocket instead of strapped to the side.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:36:42 UTC No. 16330156
Is there a resource that has illustrations and writing of what astronomers thought the planets looked like and what their predictions were of their characteristics before the advent of probes and large-scale telescopes? I can't really find anything on Google.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:59:11 UTC No. 16330182
>>16329931
>if only I had a surplus of craft capable of moving dozens of people and tons of cargo across through thin atmosphere
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:00:39 UTC No. 16330184
>>16330112
I think that's the Mars glider. They thought the atmosphere was thicker back then. Like Starship, it's designed around the constraints of Mars landing.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:24:24 UTC No. 16330207
>>16330182
Point to point for bulk transport is tarded my dude
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:29:09 UTC No. 16330212
>>16330207
I was replying to the guy asking about airplanes for high speed travel specifically.
But, if you have dozens of Starships and a surplus of fuel and no rail yet, it might make sense. Depends on what you need to move. With no air and lower gravity a Mars hop might be easier.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:46:22 UTC No. 16330230
>>16330156
>I can't really find anything on Google.
That would be because Google is growing worse by the year!
I suggest just going on the wikipedia page for āHistory of astronomyā and following the Further reading at the bottom of the page. It references some books that detail the early history of astronomy. And of course the wikipedia page itself provides a nice summary. The books will probably detail drawings and speculations of astronomers concerning the planets.
If you want to get really into the weeds you could go on google scholar and try to find a paper concerning, say, Giovanni Schiaparelliās belief that Mars had canals. You could then play the reference game and see what papers it sources, go to those, etc.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:55:34 UTC No. 16330242
The last Delta II flight was in 2018 that seems so weird to me, like thatās so recent
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:59:13 UTC No. 16330250
>>16330242
using an upgraded H-1 engine designed for the Saturnās S-IB stage, no less
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:44:53 UTC No. 16330284
>>16330280
Utterly irresponsible use of environmental protections against a political target. Anyone who tries this needs to be publicly flogged
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:47:34 UTC No. 16330289
>>16330280
>liquid nitrogen spill
could there even be anything more benign? even fresh water would impact the salinity somewhat, but liquid nitrogen would just evaporate right?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:52:06 UTC No. 16330299
>>16330280
My question is: if SX were to prove, quantitatively, that they are a net neutralāor in fact even positively affecting the environment (carbon sequestration via on-site methane production in the future, installation of solar power, internal programs to track the related bird populations and ensure theyāre healthy, testing deluge water and meeting approved EPA action levels) then would it āsatisfyā the very people who are currently lodging complaints?
I think we all know the answer is no. Ulterior motives are afoot!
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:59:28 UTC No. 16330304
>>16330289
pretty benign, but depending on the size, it could suffocate the surrounding life around spill area.
any good environmental agency should ask questions at least, but taking serious actions would likely be a result of politics
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:04:03 UTC No. 16330308
>>16330289
>>16330304
imagine being in that shitter
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:09:47 UTC No. 16330316
>>16330299
we are in the era of crybullies
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:13:45 UTC No. 16330320
>>16330289
It's a contact hazard while it's still liquid, and while it just expectorates breathing air that's gone from mostly nitrogen to almost all nitrogen can be a problem, since you need CO2 to trip your body's george floyd response. You can asphyxiate without even noticing in pure N2. Nitrogen is benign as far as rocket commodities goes but it's not completely without hazard.
The lawfare is nothing but bullshit, though. Regulators and the people who exploit their existence deserve to swing from the same rope.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:13:49 UTC No. 16330321
>>16330316
And spineless authorities who enable them
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:27:49 UTC No. 16330332
>>16330308
this is one of the funniest things to happen at Starbase.
If I remember correctly, they were swept across the road along with the fence, they didn't even give 2 fucks about sandbagging the area before a test that was always planned to burst and spill a full tank of LN2.
I swear SpaceX sees the value in relatively harmless testing mishaps that are just entertainment for its employees and fans. Also doing events simultaneously, and in the primest of YouTube live stream watching time, just to keep us interested.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:51:44 UTC No. 16330354
>>16330156
>what astronomers thought
Try LeMMino: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhf
References: https://www.lemmi.no/p/bygone-visio
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:53:53 UTC No. 16330356
>>16330299
is Elon just memeing about starbase ISRU fuel production? Is this just a quasi-unrealistic aspiration, like E2E?
I guess if he wants to launch Starship constantly, the alternative is either setting up a direct LNG pipeline into Boca Chica or just committing to hundreds of fuel trucks constantly arriving every second of every day. Both of these are unrealistic so perhaps he is serious.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:56:20 UTC No. 16330357
>>16330356
I don't see why they couldn't get a pipeline back to Port of Brownsville. It's only like 15 miles away.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:59:47 UTC No. 16330365
>>16330356
you need to develop ISRU technology for a Mars mission to have any chance of working, so you might as well get started with it on Earth. It's not as if methanation is new or poorly understood
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:01:24 UTC No. 16330369
>>16330356
Correct me if Iām wrong but I believe SpaceX already have plans for on-site power generation specifically for fuel production. Unless I dreamed this lol.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:02:15 UTC No. 16330372
New stunning footage the alien in Mars
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:07:29 UTC No. 16330379
Get rid of NASA already. They're worthless.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:07:53 UTC No. 16330380
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:10:26 UTC No. 16330383
>>16330372
how did he get inside mars? is he a mole?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:12:16 UTC No. 16330386
>>16330383
nah the ayyys are just in that newly discovered deep water table
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:13:15 UTC No. 16330389
>>16330386
Nope, too salty
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:13:23 UTC No. 16330390
>>16330383
Hollow Mars Theory
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:21:07 UTC No. 16330397
>>16330332
>wouldn't it be cool if we let the rocket do a flip before tripping the flight termination system?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:28:36 UTC No. 16330402
>>16330397
>delay the use of the FTS
>FTS burns through the hull and doesnāt even take out the rocket in a timely manner
Sovl
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:40:25 UTC No. 16330409
>>16330354
Great video, though it doesn't quite delve deep enough into the topic I'm searching for. Itās fascinating to think about what astronomers of the past would make of the images we have today. What an incredible time to be alive. As recently as the 1950s, many scientists and astronomers still held onto the belief that other humans might exist within our Solar System. They entertained the most extraordinary ideas, from bat-like beings on the Moon to fire-worshipping tribes on Venus. It wasn't until we were confronted with irrefutable evidence from multiple sources that we finally let go of that dream. But perhaps we haven't entirely. We're still on the hunt for signs of ancient life on our neighbouring planets and for evidence of intelligent life across the universe. We invest billions of dollars into this pursuit, driven by the hope that one day we may discover we are not alone in this vast cosmos. Our dream of becoming a star-faring species, spreading across the galaxy, is fuelled by an innate desire to explore, to understand the unknown, and to thrive, not just survive, in this universe. This is why we must always hold onto hope, for hope is what drives us forward.
>>16330230
Thanks. Looks like I'm gonna have to do my own research. I may put together my findings for other people who have the same curiosity as me.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:48:12 UTC No. 16330418
>>16330390
already occupied by a german colony. sry, only surface habitats for latecomers.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 15:18:06 UTC No. 16330464
>>16330143
That movie was so stupid and boring.
>oh you have some money from donations looks like I get to rape you now
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 15:19:23 UTC No. 16330467
>>16330409
>doesn't quite delve deep enough
Naturally, that's best done with books and old journals.
>>16330409
>own research
To add to what that anon advised, try the astronomical associations, e.g. the American Astronomical Society - they should have extensive archives and maybe some summary "look back" papers. I myself was a member of the British Astronomical Association and occassionally visited their library in London, not sure what they have online. Also old usenet groups such as sci.astro (sadly google made browsing these a torment: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.ast
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 15:32:05 UTC No. 16330492
>>16330464
filtered
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:14:53 UTC No. 16330543
>>16329711
not surprising, have you seen how much autism there is in tracking serial numbers of engines and stages on the NSF forums? getting as bad as trainspotting.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:19:51 UTC No. 16330551
>>16330543
itās arguably already at that level, if not worse, and has been since the early boca chica hopping days
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:34:37 UTC No. 16330569
>The Space Development Agency awarded contracts for the final 20 satellites in the second tranche of its proliferated low-Earth orbit constellation on Aug. 16, setting the stage for hundreds of satellites to launch in the next several years.
>York Space Systems and Tyvak Nano-Satellite Systems, a subsidiary of Terran Orbital, each received contracts to build the āenhanced tactical SATCOMā spacecraft. Yorkās contract is for $170 million, while Tyvakās is for $254 million
>All told, the agency has now awarded contracts for more than 430 satellites across Tranche 1 and Tranche 2 of what it calls the Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture. The PWSA will provide satellite communications, transport data, and help with missile warning and tracking
>The satellites contracted on Aug. 16 are for the āGammaā portionāthe most advanced of three parts of the Tranche 2 Transport Layer. According to SDA officials and documents, these satellites will have a āpayload specifically designed to close future kill chains via the PWSAā called Warlock, as well as four optical terminals for laser communications.
>The Gamma satellites wonāt start launching until the late summer or early fall of 2027, according to an SDA release.
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/s
More money going into the SDA's constellation.
Still no new bids from SpaceX. I think it was after tranche 1, they expressed interest in bidding again but only if they could meet the requirements while still using a Starlink bus.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:42:56 UTC No. 16330581
>>16330569
>All told, the agency has now awarded contracts for more than 430 satellites across Tranche 1 and Tranche 2 of what it calls the Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture.
W-was Beck right about the market desiring a constellation launcher?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:57:13 UTC No. 16330595
>>16330569
I think they just rather have SpaceX launch than build them
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:57:47 UTC No. 16330596
>>16330581
Yes
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:58:25 UTC No. 16330597
>>16330365
>send one ship with just insulated fuel as the payload to get return ship to LMO
>send a much longer ship to decelerate in LMO and later refill the return ship
No ISRU needed. Later industrialization of Mars will obviously have it but requiring it for a return flight on an exploration mission would be insane
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:06:56 UTC No. 16330608
>>16330597
My argument against this is that, for logistical reasons, youād want to fill up your proposed āLMO depot tankerā in low earth orbitāand for practical reasons youād want to use as little fuel as possible to get it to Mars, right? Because youād want to maximize the amount of fuel it has left over once it gets to Mars; in which case youād probably choose the slowest transfer to Mars possible that requires minimal fuel. Youāve got nothing but time on your hands to get these tankers over to Mars, itās cargo and you can do it ahead of time.
Butā¦ the time it takes these slow ass tankers to get there could instead just be used doing ISRU on the surface of Marsāeven if that ISRU is slow itās still going to take 7-8 months for these tankers to get there. Thatās 7-8 months of ISRU and youād primary end to making more fuel and oxidizer because thereās plentiful material to generate LOX and methane.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:08:21 UTC No. 16330612
>>16329829
Actually why wouldn't this work? Would too much LH2 evaporate before launch though
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:08:58 UTC No. 16330615
>>16330365
That guy Casey Handmer runs a company that has built a chemical reactor rack that can turn CO2 and water into methalox with electricity as the only non-chemical input. SpaceX honestly doesn't need to develop anything on the chemistry side of things to do ISRU propellant on Mars, they only need the ability to dig up and purify slurces of water ice as well as collect CO2 from the Martian atmosphere.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:11:28 UTC No. 16330620
>>16330615
Wait so has no one done large scale ISRU yet? What are SpaceXās projections for how much time and energy will be needed to fuel up one Starship as of right now?
Or is it a handwaived thing they figure theyāll solve down the road?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:17:14 UTC No. 16330629
>>16330608
The tankers will be weird already so I'm pretty sure you could just make it super long. Longer cargo tank launched completely empty and longer fuel tank launched mostly empty. Takes 20 refilling flights in LEO instead of 10 or something, but gives you much more dV for more cargo. ISRU just seems like the sort of thing that you can't rely on for a return. Feels like too many things could go wrong. You're too far away for any help, so you'd need extra redundant systems. Depending on how big the entire system is, that's a lot of launches for redundancy. The cheapest way to be sure of your return might just be sending the fuel. This is for mission 1 only by the way, the system can be sent and proven with mission 1 to be used on subsequent missions and settlements. I don't know. Too many moving parts makes me nervous
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:21:22 UTC No. 16330631
>>16330629
Hmm well if weāre explicitly talking about a SpaceX Starship landing on Mars, with humans in the mix, I wouldnāt be surprised if the architecture was something conservative such as
ā¢ Starship lands humans on Mars
ā¢ NASA sent a hypergolic return vehicle to the surface of Mars ahead of time that launches to LMO and just meets up with a pre-fueled SS return vehicle
That, or the hypergolic return vehicle just does a direct burn back to Earth. Though I imagine that wouldnāt be the case as the astronauts would want more living space on the journey back
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:21:56 UTC No. 16330635
>>16330620
The sabatier reaction is well known, it's just not used at scale because it's cheaper to dig up our hydrocarbons. With enough ice and electricity it's possible with little innovation. Mars' high CO2 atmosphere actually makes it easier to do on Mars than on Earth as far as the steps involved. Handmer's intention with the company is to make something that works on Earth so he can fund the development of a palletized system that can go on a Starship and work right on landing on Mars. He's pretty vocal about that
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:22:00 UTC No. 16330636
>>16330620
Itās kind of a handwaved thing right now hiven that we havenāt seen any equipment that would be brought to Mars to do ISRU. The chemistry is well understood, it just was not necessary to build an electrolytic plant to make methane yet given how much fossil fuels we have. Itās now just an engineering challenge to build a device that will actually fly to Mars and make fuel
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:24:37 UTC No. 16330642
>>16330631
>NASA in charge of making a new vehicle
I should've specified I'm expecting the first mission to happen this century. But anyway I doubt it. They need to sit in the ship for eight months. There's a size constraint. Moving around, eating, shitting, redundancy. There's really no option besides Starship, the issue is making it work
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:27:01 UTC No. 16330649
>>16330635
>>16330636
Ah got it. Yeah I knew the process was well understood lol. I just didnāt make the connection that itās simply easier to pump it out of the ground, so no one has bothered scaling it up when itās cheaper to extract it for free.
Earth is such a cradle lol it just gives us the resources we need in such great quantities. Even if youāre digging through millions of pounds of rock for just a little bit of nuclear fuel or rare earth metals, itās still very concentrated in the grand scheme of things.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:31:47 UTC No. 16330653
>>16330642
In my hypothetical I was assuming it would be outsourced to a commercial partner or SpaceX themselves.
Yeah right now it seems stupid for SX to make a custom hypergolic vehicle (which is why someone else would probably do it) but this really increases the safety parameter for the first few human landings that will no doubt be flags and footprints. An extended stay, but still flags and footprints and theyāll want a seriously conservative way to get them home. NASA will probably be very confident in SS landing by then with hundreds Starship landings under SpaceXās belt because of Starlink, etc. But NASA wonāt like the idea of needing to ISRU fuel. If something goes wrong thatās a complete failure mode for getting humans back.
Theyāll probably go with a commercial hypergolic return vehicle, and slowly start testing ISRU and ramp it up over time and then transition to something more sustainable i.e. Starships fueling up on the surface and returning astronauts to LMO or directly back to Earth.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:47:01 UTC No. 16330664
>>16330653
I'm not sure how involved NASA will be. Starship is designed for Earth return so I'm sure SpaceX has a plan.
>>16330649
Yeah it's wild to think about how much Martian constraint driven innovation would apply to sustainable industry back on Earth. No hydrocarbons (dead life), no concentrated iron deposits (great oxygenation by life), no limestone (dead life). Ultimately an entire industrialized supply chain is going to be made by sifting dirt and mining air. The chemistry works already, the economics don't
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:51:32 UTC No. 16330672
>>16330409
it's always filled me with such sadness imagining the astronomers of the 20th century slowly coming to terms with how sterile the solar system is outside of Earth
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:58:31 UTC No. 16330681
>>16330664
Nitpicky correction to your post but while Mars doesnāt have limestone it does have carbonate deposits
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:02:00 UTC No. 16330689
Even if you think NASA has its incompetencies youād have to have down syndrome to assume SpaceX is going at this alone. Why does seemingly half of /sfg/ act like SX are going to give NASA the cold shoulder, or just go without asking for help.
NASAās going out there on a combined effort and while I canāt say for certain if they will explicitly lead the Mars campaign, I do think they will have huge input on how itās done nonetheless
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:07:40 UTC No. 16330697
>>16330689
NASA still has a ton of talent and experienced engineers, along with the backing of the US government. Itās really suppressed by bad leadership, it being used as a political poker chip/gibs program and an inefficient mindset.
SpaceX is just led better but will certainly draw deep on the pools that NASA still has hidden away
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:09:03 UTC No. 16330698
>>16330681
No kidding? There's a path to Martian concrete?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:15:03 UTC No. 16330707
This fram2 Chun guy is without a doubt an āI am very smartā character
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:15:43 UTC No. 16330711
>>16330689
Well for one thing SpaceX wants to colonize Mars, and NASA as an organization directed by Congress wants to send money to factories in various states.
On money, SpaceX is slicing off more and more of the trillion dollar a year telecom market while NASA's budget goes down.
On implementation they are completely different. SpaceX has excelled at assembly lines and volume manufacturing which is what's needed to visit and colonize Mars on a reasonable budget on a reasonable timeline. NASA deliberately specializes in extremely specific and over engineered hardware.
What can NASA actually offer? Management of some of the legal stuff around nuclear in exchange for their logo on the ship? What else?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:22:56 UTC No. 16330718
>>16330689
I think NASA is ideologically anti colonization of Mars because of the bullshit planetary protection scheme. Their stance will only change after someone actually set foot on Mars against their protest. I can only hope that someone is with SpaceX and not CCP.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:26:03 UTC No. 16330721
>>16330689
NASA will make damn sure they're running the first starship mission to mars. after that congress is going to say "whelp we've done it, no more money for doing it again" and all the subsequent starships will not bare a NASA logo.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:28:25 UTC No. 16330725
>>16330718
You have no idea what youāre talking about. NASA has been very clear about a permanent presence on the Moon and Mars
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 18:32:11 UTC No. 16330732
>>16330721
This I can believe. I think they will structure it similar to commercial LEO destinations and commercial crew/cargo. They will be fine being the ācustomerā who buys Starship launches and will probably help jointly develop ISRU material, hardware needed for surface habitation and logistics, as well as supplying red tape shit like nuclear power if they desire it.
Even if they want a āflag and footprintsā mission it still needs to be an extended stay. They will probably want to scale back as Congress funding dwindles and theyāll just find it easier to let SX do most of the heavy work themselves while they throw out occasional multi-million dollar contracts and charter SS flights for their own astronauts to go, within the budget allocated once Congress inevitably slashes their funding after the first landing is completed and the honeymoon phase is over
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:00:20 UTC No. 16330752
>>16330354
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh
this video made me think... with all the tech we have, how are people not sending small sats to other planets? like, how hard would it be to build a small sat carrier as a falcon 2nd stage to get the small sat to venus or something? is this even possible? if so, why is it not being done? is energy (for comms, transportation, ...) the problem?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:00:42 UTC No. 16330753
>>16330653
LockMart hypergolic MADV would go hard
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:05:05 UTC No. 16330759
>>16330752
Itās a good question and I think it has a couple of answers:
>cubesats have a high failure rate in general
>rideshares really only go to one orbit, they simply havenāt gone to mercury, venus, saturn, uranus, neptune
>the deeper you go, the more reliance on the DSN you need and itās expensive
We have examples like rocket lab wanting to go to venus and, again, rocket lab making the escapade probes that may or may not have to raise their own orbits from LEO to Mars depending on how BO flies their profile this october. But I think overall we need more universities or small companies raising money and dedicating smaller payloads out to planets now.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:17:29 UTC No. 16330764
>>16330759(me)
Also it would be nice if someone seriously funded breakthrough starshot to spam microsats to the proxima star system but thatās kind of a pipe dream. Zuckerberg has expressed interest in it but I think itās just surface level support.
Supposedly the laser needed to do this would basically be a super weapon and it would probably be expensive as shit to develop. I wish I had immense political sway sometimes, I would manipulate DARPA into building it so I could see up close images of an exostar system in my own lifetime
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:22:05 UTC No. 16330768
>>16330759
If New Glenn can launch its Blue Ring tug onto a GTO equivilant orbit it's only 270 m/s short of the delta-v it'd need to reach to reach low Mars orbit. It'd be interesting to see how much interest a Mars rideshare program would generate.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:28:46 UTC No. 16330774
>>16330768
It would take a little time and youād need to send out two or three rideshare missions and just eat the cost due to low number of customers at first but I think if you ābrute forcedā it like this for a while then people would realize youāre serious about offering a dedicated service and youād start to get more and more customers willing to go. But it begs the question: are there enough customers willing to pay for a ride? Like do these customers exist or are we just assuming there are dozens/hundreds of smallsat customers willing to pay? To be fair I am impressed by the number of random companies that hitch rides on SpaceX rideshares now, so maybe itās possible.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:35:29 UTC No. 16330784
>>16330768
is it not pathetic that they didnāt design that thing to have to dV to get to Mars right out of the gate? I swear everything BO does is so short-sighted and cursory
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:36:36 UTC No. 16330785
>>16330768
>If New Glenn can launch
Start there.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:42:28 UTC No. 16330789
>>16330784
The fact that it's got 3km/s in the tank probably has more to do with taking rideshares to geostationary orbit. That's only about 4km/s from LEO and would have a lot easier time lining up customers.
>>16330785
The time for that sort of memery was back when they still had an empty factory and weren't producing any visible hardware. It doesn't work nearly as well now.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:45:30 UTC No. 16330793
>>16330789
Do you really think they'll get that thing into orbit on the first try?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:49:55 UTC No. 16330801
>>16330789
You make an excellent point about geostationary orbit. Hindsight is 20/20 nonetheless though. They float around the idea of sort of maybe one day perhaps having a third stage for New Glenn. And they whip up Blue Ring out of nowhere and it seems like a rushed idea. Should have done a small third stage that could easily provide tag-along ride shares to GEO and beyond (aka Mars or Venus)
They might make money off of Blue Ring though, maybeā¦ the more I think about it the more I doubt it they are so incompetent itās unreal
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:59:25 UTC No. 16330810
>>16330793
Yes, I do
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:04:14 UTC No. 16330816
>>16330793
It's possible. I have every confidence that they'll get something put together out of the hardware we've seen and I've got every confidence it'll be able to leave the pad under its own power. Landing and/or second stage ignition are more doubtful. The point is that they're now producing engines at a very respectable (non-SpaceX) rate and New Glenn has a full set of flight hardware finishing construction with a few more in the works behind that.
>>16330801
https://blueorigin.wd5.myworkdayjob
https://x.com/Orbital_Perigee/statu
>Hey guys. Theyāre developing a third stage for New Glenn. Just wanted to put this out there. In case you were worried about growth opportunities.
Third stage might not be dead just yet.
I think Blue Ring has a better chance of making money than the other tugs that have been tried just because of the scale of it. 3km/s would also let it get itself onto a trans-lunar trajectory from a standing start in LEO, which could let it tap into government interest in launching small payloads to the moon. Mostly just seems like the sort of reasonable but non-essential project Blue would whip up on a whim. They did assign some engineer to build a machine that eats lunar regolith and shits solar panels, despite that fact that no one is going to be able to use that for years.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:05:02 UTC No. 16330819
>>16330793
nta I think GS1 will do fine, will probably fuck up the landing but thatās inconsequential to orbit. The real trial by fire will be the second stage, GS2. Blue Origin helped get a payload to orbit via Vulcan-Centaur and itās BE-4s so while this obviously doesnāt count, it still demonstrates an ability to get there. But BO has nothing to do with Centaur V on that flight. If GS2 has a fuckup itās over. They switched to a new variant of the BE-3 which is now an open expander cycle. Not only has it never flown before, BO has never demonstrated any technical ability beyond suborbit so this will all be from scratch. The first stage landing will be more of a spectacle on the broadcast but the second stage will be the more important thing to focus on
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:09:14 UTC No. 16330824
Reminder that blorigin has ever only launched a glorified sounding rocket.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:15:42 UTC No. 16330828
>>16330824
Memes only help signify an in-group identity when they're up to date. When they're not they just make you look like a stupid person trying to masquerade as one of the tribe.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:23:23 UTC No. 16330832
>>16330828
He's right though
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:25:12 UTC No. 16330834
>>16330828
Tell me more about all the rockets Blue Origin has built and launched.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:46:15 UTC No. 16330844
>>16330828
Yeah no fuck BO theyāre a joke and deserve every ounce of criticism
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:48:59 UTC No. 16330849
>>16330824
They're shaping up to be the most impressive oldspace company, whatever that's actually worth. I suspect not much. Will they launch escapade this window, maybe, but they'll launch eventually. BO is doing it "right" ie the pre SpaceX way that worked for fifty years but doesn't yield anything impressive
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:52:57 UTC No. 16330852
polaris dawn crew will die
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:55:05 UTC No. 16330859
>>16330852
of laughter at bezos
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:55:26 UTC No. 16330861
>>16330852
Fuck you
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:55:36 UTC No. 16330862
>>16330852
such is the fate of all men
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:56:37 UTC No. 16330864
>>16330852
Not possible
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 21:01:02 UTC No. 16330868
>>16330844
This is true, but the first New Glenn test launch is due within ~2 months, and they seen intent to really DELIVER this time. Extremely slow and wasteful yes, and only in existence because of infinite cash to burn, not because of a cutting edge product. But still, I'm excited to see it, although they will absolutely BOTCH the webcast with cringe-O-matic 2000 level of fake smiles and shitty commentary, limited telemetry and onboard camera views. It must suck ass to work there.
We are all haters here, but still its the second best rocket out there, its going to attempt a barge landing, and the free money stream from Bezos keeps coming so they can retain some level of talent once things start to happen for real. It should be roughly equivalent to working at oldspace companies, maybe with more pay even, so they should acquire a lot of second best engineers, which isn't bad out of a field of 30+ real space companies that need elite talent, getting second choice engineers and other talent should be good enough to proceed
God the New Shepard launches suck to watch. I know their webcast is going to disappoint big time, even though NASA should require it in 4K on JewTube because $20M of it is taxpayer funded payload
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 21:06:39 UTC No. 16330879
>>16330868
Funny enough if thereās one thing I have to give it praise for as a taxpayer, itās that $20 million price for this launch. Thatās almost free, in this industry. Thereās no way in hell we will ever see a NG launch at that cost again unless Bezos it dedicated to never making money again hahah
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 21:16:43 UTC No. 16330891
>>16330868
Doesn't matter what they intend. I recall a video of Gwynne Shotwell back in 2018 or 2019 saying they will definitely for sure launch Demo-2 before the end of the year. Didn't happen, but didnt stop the fanboys proclaiming "OMG Gwynne said it so it must be true! If it was Musky I wouldnt believe it!"
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 21:19:28 UTC No. 16330894
>>16330868
wait what the hell is stage zero for new glenn? Does it use some existing launch pad?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 21:29:57 UTC No. 16330906
>>16330894
Estronaut is supposed to show it to us soon... so far there only exist a few staged photos, and flyover views. Its in a restricted area, not next to a state highway.
Apparently the lunch site has been largely ready to use for a year or two.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 21:33:36 UTC No. 16330910
>>16330284
>Utterly irresponsible use of environmental protections against a political target.
What do you think Environmentalism is for?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 21:53:51 UTC No. 16330925
Vega my beloved
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:00:03 UTC No. 16330931
If Arcturus is not a variable star then why is it always blinking when I look at it?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:00:34 UTC No. 16330933
>>16330925
I main E. Honda
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:04:35 UTC No. 16330937
>>16330925
Big fans of explosions eh?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:09:29 UTC No. 16330939
If Arcturus is 7.1 gigayears old and around the current mass of our sun, does that mean it was a sunlike star in the past on the upper end of the G-type class or was it on the lower end of the F-type class?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:17:50 UTC No. 16330948
>>16330879
>$20 million price for this launch
Don't get used to it. That's Bezos' "why don't get paid to test" pricing.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:20:04 UTC No. 16330950
"framonaut"
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:20:39 UTC No. 16330951
>>16330939
F-type
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:22:28 UTC No. 16330954
>>16330948
thatās a good way to think about it
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:07:14 UTC No. 16330980
>>16330752
actually, I just realized something else: why aren't astronomers also putting telescopes and other instruments in orbit???
btw, can spacex deliver payloads to GEO? is getting a telescope, radar or whatever into GEO a good or bad idea? is it being done already (beyond what NRO/NASA have done?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:26:17 UTC No. 16330991
>>16329245
Wasnt me I havent posted in the past 4 days. Just found out about the thread splitting so I have no comment on whether they shouldve done as mentioned or not.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:28:14 UTC No. 16330992
>>16330984
Pretty fucking obvious that it isnt fully automated. Was the one who informed him of such one of us?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:30:27 UTC No. 16330995
>>16330980
um... ever hear of hubble or webb?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:30:56 UTC No. 16330996
>>16330891
SpaceX can indeed lie about super optimistic goals for a test program, Blue cannot lie about their launch vehicle commitment being ready and FAA approved when there is a fixed window to hit Mars. A binding contract with NASA broken and fingers of blame pointed again does not sit well with anyone, Bezos knows this and is damn sure this thing is ready, checked and double checked, with the FAA in full agreement. He knows full well that he has looked like a fool for oh-so-long, and threw money until its finally here. Otherwise he wouldn't have allowed Estrogen Everyday to release the PR hype video, which is pretty much a promise, its done, they just need to integrate the stack, get through a static fire, and have several weeks to wait for the perfect opportunity within the window. High confidence it will launch (he is trying to save face here and prove the haters wrong, this means a LOT to any man with pride) Medium confidence the satellites will be released in the correct trajectory, and low confidence in booster landing recovery. It will crash.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:31:43 UTC No. 16330997
>>16330995
He also doesn't know SpaceX can go to GEO
>>16330992
It is fully automated, what are you talking about
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:33:12 UTC No. 16330998
>>16330984
This was the inspiration for my post here >>16330707
pseud alert!
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:34:16 UTC No. 16331001
>>16330996
I think he's genuinely not aware that most rocket company's maiden launches aren't preceded by a dozen explosions
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:37:08 UTC No. 16331004
>>16330946
Eww
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:41:45 UTC No. 16331008
>>16330852
singles confirm
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:43:02 UTC No. 16331010
>>16330995
anon, I'm talking about non-government orgs: companies, foundations and ordinary citizens.
also, those are TWO telescopes. there could be many.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:50:33 UTC No. 16331015
>>16331010
Okay, who's has a couple billion dollars to make a space telescope? The vast majority of non-government entities that could pony up the money have no desire to do so. They want to make money. A telescope doesn't do this.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:53:38 UTC No. 16331019
>>16331015
You could probably just ask a few guys who know a few boomers deep in the trenches and find out the US government has some spare keyhole KENNEN mirrors and other scrap parts lying around in a warehouse somewhere in a warehouse in Sunnyvale, CA
Save yourself 99% of the mission build cost
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:57:24 UTC No. 16331021
>>16331019
And they would hand you these highly valuable mirrors to you because?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:58:01 UTC No. 16331022
>>16331010
what NGOs?
any serious astronomy is connected to universities and they try to book observation time with NASA, because they actually have the resources to build and launch these things.
we can get bigger, heavier and cheaper space telescopes when starship is available for that, but it'll still be expensive af to build launch and operate pne.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:58:09 UTC No. 16331023
>>16331021
If the NRO let NASA use spare keyhole satellites why not?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:59:01 UTC No. 16331024
>>16331023
>wants non-government to make telescopes
>cites a case where the government works with the government
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:00:08 UTC No. 16331026
>>16331024
NASA still works with contracted corporations under extensive security clearance, there's no reason those same provisions couldn't be applied here.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:01:19 UTC No. 16331028
>>16331021
Because Iām a smooth operator bitch
Also this is hypothetical and the assumption is that youāre operating under some LLC or company that has hired oldpace boomers and the US government is like
>oh okay whatever yeah you have Bill and Robert and, oh look at that you have olā Sparky on your team too. Heh he used to work in the national reconnaissance office we love Sparky. Yeah hereās your mirrors, sir!
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:03:54 UTC No. 16331029
>>16331028
this is precisely why SpaceX hire people like Insprucker btw. Half of it is your knowledge, but the other half is your networking portfolio that youāve built up over a long career of government and private contractor business deals
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:04:17 UTC No. 16331030
>>16331022
>what NGOs?
>any serious astronomy is connected to universities
what is a university (or a corporation or whattever else) if not a non-government org?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:55:33 UTC No. 16331047
>>16330992
the point was fully automated doesnt mean low crew responsibilities
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 01:17:38 UTC No. 16331068
>>16330996
it's going to LEO, they can be as late as they want lmao
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 01:19:43 UTC No. 16331071
>>16331028
>>16331029
I always wondered what sort of connections that dude who bought a spare keyhole mirror blank for his own personal telescope had.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 01:21:07 UTC No. 16331074
>>16331071
Wait what is this a true story? Kek based
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 01:39:48 UTC No. 16331081
>>16330984
>zero-g urinary catheterization
nope im good here on earth thanks
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 02:53:58 UTC No. 16331141
>>16328919
>a strategy based on a trend in resources that's 50 years out of date
What did anon mean by this?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 02:54:59 UTC No. 16331143
>>16331141
nvm I just read >>16329102
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 02:57:42 UTC No. 16331145
>>16329136
>why is a fucking vice president overseeing a basic science research organization that needs decades-long, consistent vision and funding?
Blame Tmurp, who reinstated the National Space Council and put the VP in charge
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 03:27:32 UTC No. 16331159
>>16330946
>if only you knew how bad things really are
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 03:33:29 UTC No. 16331167
>>16331074
Mike Clements
https://youtu.be/Fx0LiDua7Ww?t=184
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 04:21:41 UTC No. 16331185
>>16330868
Insider info here, not until 2025
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 04:29:55 UTC No. 16331189
>>16330984
did he think the urinary catheterization would be automated?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 04:36:29 UTC No. 16331194
>>16330984
we need an astronaut medical corps
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 05:37:03 UTC No. 16331225
>>16330984
You train for when things go wrong. If nothing goes wrong, you really do basically just sit there, maybe tap a button or two.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 05:47:16 UTC No. 16331232
>>16330984
Urinary catheterization is a luxury, not really required. In an emergency you can just piss anywhere, it will form a sphere.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 06:54:22 UTC No. 16331278
https://x.com/HSajwanization/status
Falcomn 9 go brr
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:06:25 UTC No. 16331285
>>16330984
Yeah there's no fucking ambulances in space you casual fuck.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:13:43 UTC No. 16331290
>>16329478
What exactly is the strategy here? Wouldn't selling to Blue Origin be the far more logical option? I refuse to believe Sierra is more valuable than ULA.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:16:33 UTC No. 16331292
>>16331290
BO probably doesn't want to pay much for ULA as it would be pointless purchase long term.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:55:38 UTC No. 16331312
>>16328631
I am satisfied with the OP
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:57:04 UTC No. 16331314
Any news on Starliner and next Starship launch? Been afk for a week.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 08:25:25 UTC No. 16331337
New Casey.
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:02:24 UTC No. 16331356
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:03:12 UTC No. 16331357
>>16331337
>antihydrogen ice chips
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:09:22 UTC No. 16331362
>>16331337
Except for the part where your fuel hates the very idea of existing and any failure of inertial containment explodes your ship
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:14:12 UTC No. 16331366
>>16331337
Bruh if you think nuclear thermal is taking too long, imagine world governments when it becomes possible to mass manufacture meaningful quantities of antimatter. Nuclear proliferation regulation on steroids
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:29:44 UTC No. 16331377
>>16331337
I can't tell if this guy is a total fucking melt or operating on a level far beyond us
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:36:01 UTC No. 16331383
>>16331362
ah yes, the emo rocket
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:41:05 UTC No. 16331388
>>16331362
>containment failure causes the ship to explode
So... it's completely normal?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:48:13 UTC No. 16331390
>>16331377
The engine design is basically https://projectrho.com/public_html/
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:50:25 UTC No. 16331392
>>16330725
There's a difference between permanent presence and colonisation. Permanent presence is what we have in Antarctica atm, research bases with rotating crews. Colonisation is what europe did to the americas, people actually moving there to start new lives.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 09:58:13 UTC No. 16331395
>>16330852
in 30-60 years of natural causes
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 10:28:35 UTC No. 16331408
>>16331377
He's contrarian and I've seen talks where his facts and logic have led to zubrin screaming at him and another where he made some oldspace fag angrily defend the efficiency of the aerospace industry so I'm inclined to believe everything he says
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 10:32:02 UTC No. 16331411
>>16331337
Based Coomer Casey "Handy Job" Handmer
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 10:37:17 UTC No. 16331413
>>16331408
kek if zubrin is mad at you it means you must have a kernel of truth to what youāre saying
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 10:42:49 UTC No. 16331416
>>16331408
Found it. Zubrin seethe starts at 23:47. He doesn't have a mic, he's literally just yelling at Casey lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0a
>if your PhD had needed arithmetic, you would know-
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:32:26 UTC No. 16331439
>>16331431
makes sense, a nation of 1.4 billion street shitters each with a 5 inch LCD.
Pinnacle of mobile design. Fucking phoneposters
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:59:14 UTC No. 16331448
Page 9 topic:
Is it worth it to chase Tyrell / Weyland-Yutani Corp āsynthsā? Should the ultimate goal of, say, Teslabot be something that possesses ātrue AGIā (if itās even possible), looks and feels as close to a human as possible? What about to the point where it becomes a discussion of the morality of reproduction??
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:19:08 UTC No. 16331458
>>16331448
There is no reason to make machines feel like humans. If they can accomplish tasks without feeling sad then that would be optimal. Anything beyond a human shape due to the requirement of operating in a world designed for a human shape is unnecessary unless you need a movie plot, hence why your examples are movie plots
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:23:33 UTC No. 16331462
>>16331458
nta but thatās a good point. So from a design ethos, should they always be purposefully made to look āroboticā? Not necessarily shiny metal, but non-human nonetheless? Picrel
Weāre probably going to keep chasing robotics, computer intelligence, and material design in the future so we will only get better and better at being able to make something akin to a blade runner synth eventually. At least in terms of exterior looks and human-like dexterity
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:29:33 UTC No. 16331467
>>16331448
No. Fuck no. Robots that look like robots are better in every way.
>>16331462
Still way too human.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:32:56 UTC No. 16331469
>>16331462
From a market perspective there are a couple reasons you would do that. Sex bots obviously, possibly some sort of caretaker role for children or more likely the elderly, and some role where the state wants to make something which is ultimately a weapon seen more empathetic like a robot cop. But no feelings. The way things are shaping up the bulk of non physical processing (ie everything besides navigation) might even happen remotely in a big server room or many of them
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:39:40 UTC No. 16331474
>>16331467
A restaurant near me has one of these, but I think they just use it as advertisement as I've only ever seen it going backwards and forwards outside playing music. It does stop and avoid people if they get in it's way though.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:42:18 UTC No. 16331479
>>16331467
Robots should look indistinguishable from humans, that should be the end-goal
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 12:47:50 UTC No. 16331485
>>16331479
No, they should be optimized for their environment and function. Humans took a long time to evolve these optimizations, so biology is a great starting point when considering mechanisms, actuators, and sensors working together with materials and energy to accomplish assigned tasks. But remember, robotics is supposed to be a great leap forward in evolution, and not merely a copy of what nature already spawned. If we want human copies, skip the robotics completely and get into genetic engineering and Neuralink style mind control, and use a real human body, just optimized more and without free will
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:02:28 UTC No. 16331491
>>16331479
But then they wouldn't be as sexy.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:06:39 UTC No. 16331494
>>16331479
No, that's stupid. I'm already frustrated not knowing if I'm talking to a bot online, I'm not going to expend my social battery on a fucking machine. What would the point even be
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:10:27 UTC No. 16331499
>>16331494
the ultimate goal of those online bots is to be functionally indistinguishable from a real human. They just suck right now and the unfortunate part is that there is going to be growing pains until itās the same, if not better, than a human and I canāt help that it is total ass right now.
Now extend this to physical robots
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:10:55 UTC No. 16331500
>>16331494
we ALL need to participate and train the machine, its not like you're going to get married and bear children worth a damn. Just accept the machine as your own life love and children, become absorbed into it, the family and friend who will never leave, and stop caring about your pathetic and petty social interactions
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:14:08 UTC No. 16331502
>>16331500
>>16331499
Oh boy I sure hope I don't accidentally turn on my homemade EMP generator- oops
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:23:53 UTC No. 16331504
>>16331502
luddite
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:27:25 UTC No. 16331508
>>16331504
You still haven't given an actual reason robots should think or act like people
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:29:24 UTC No. 16331509
>>16331448
If our robots are practically indistinguishable from natural humans AND they can start self reproducing then yeah, Iām going to start the technogenocide with my bare hands if I have to
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:30:44 UTC No. 16331510
>>16331448
>>16331462
I vote humanoid with robot features, making them unmistakably not human. Make them short too, nobody should have a robot towering over them unless they're a child.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:31:40 UTC No. 16331511
>>16331508
Itās what we are currently chasing right now with robotic humanoids. They use happen to be mostly shit, but the focus is dexterous arms and hands as close to humans as possible, bipedal locomotion and balance as close to the human body as we can make it.
I guess arguably the end-end goal is to *surpass* what humans can do, and in that sense I agree with you (or whoever the other anon is who said they shouldnāt all just be āhuman,ā they should be specialized)
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:32:24 UTC No. 16331512
>>16331502
I have Xfinity, your EMP weapon cannot stop me. The servers are thousands of meters underground in bunkers, with redundant nuclear and geothermal power sources, as well as power from the grid above. Data is transferred in distributed, armored optical fibers, emerging from the crust through deep boreholes, untouchable by your shitty EMP. My local machine might reboot, but my Metaverse, X account, Reddit reputation, and 4Chan Gold Pass status remains forever
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:33:58 UTC No. 16331513
>>16331510
Good compromise. 5ā8ā robolets with obvious robotic features, but some features that look and feel human
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:34:22 UTC No. 16331514
>>16331511
I was the one saying being physically identical to humans makes sense mechanically and even visually but making them internally think and feel like humans (like the original question was implying) is a terrible idea
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:39:52 UTC No. 16331517
>>16331510
That's a pointless discussion, sooner or later someone will make an android that looks like just a human with our without a feature that makes them stand out.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:42:29 UTC No. 16331518
>>16331517
technoRATS will be tried for this
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:42:46 UTC No. 16331520
>>16329840
how do we know this isn't just
>identify yourself
>I'm of the roman legions, there are many of us
being filtered through a melodramatic translator?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:45:02 UTC No. 16331522
>>16331517
We should give them all black skin, big lips, and nappy hair, and they should all be female. That way, universal hardwired human instinct will "just know" this is a subservient creature that takes any orders without question and is property, not a sentient thing, but a slave.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:49:01 UTC No. 16331523
>>16331513
Err on the side of cartoony, rather than trying for realism. You avoid the uncanny valley, and you avoid suspicion from people like me that
>>16331517
people like this are making imposter androids.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:14:02 UTC No. 16331536
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:24:19 UTC No. 16331543
>>16331513
>but some features that look and feel human
like pussies?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:54:06 UTC No. 16331569
I want a 5'5" robo wife who could throw me 20 feet.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 20:07:42 UTC No. 16331903
>>16331167
God bless American weirdoes like this guy, they're what make this country special.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Aug 2024 20:58:56 UTC No. 16331944
>>16331520
The context of the scripture is Jesus going to a man who was possessed by demons. An alternate translation as you suggest would not make any sense.