Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:58:22 UTC No. 16338097

>>16338089
Are you space people real wasting precious noble gases on ion thursters? Cannot you use just nitrogen or whatever more abundant than krypton or argone?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:14:54 UTC No. 16338141

>>16338097
What were you going to do with the gas?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:14:55 UTC No. 16338142

we stage on page 10 in /sci/ to not spam the catalog full of /sfg/ threads

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:16:07 UTC No. 16338147

>>16338142
>hardware poor
no thanks

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:16:48 UTC No. 16338148

>>16338097
>more abundant than [...] argon
Bitch 1% of the atmosphere is argon, and it's replenished by the decay of potassium-40

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:17:51 UTC No. 16338154

>>16338147
its that or getting all threads nuked randomly

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:18:33 UTC No. 16338156

>>16338142
/sfg/ was on page 10, that other thread is spam. check the timestamps before you chimp out over nothing next time

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:18:46 UTC No. 16338157

>>16338154
Not a problem if you're hardware rich.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:19:38 UTC No. 16338158

>>16338141
I'd just save it for later.

>>16338148
And nitrogen is 71% percent, so it's like 7100% more abundant than argon.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:22:07 UTC No. 16338165

>>16338156
just let the other thread die first instead of infinitely splitting, how fucking hard is it?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:25:55 UTC No. 16338171

>>16338165
"Never reward spastic premature OPs," he ejaculated.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:26:41 UTC No. 16338173

>>16338171
this thread is the wrong format with gay links + probably made by the /n/ schizo

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:33:07 UTC No. 16338188

Staging

>>479196264
>>479196264
>>479196264
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Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:34:08 UTC No. 16338191

Staging

>>>/pol/479196264

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:42:15 UTC No. 16338210

>>16338165

But anon, it's very important that the poltard gets the op. Our very lives may depend on that.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:44:28 UTC No. 16338214

>>16338158
Oh wait, you're baiting to prop up your shitty thread, get fucked

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:00:59 UTC No. 16338239

>>16338191
great. now I'm mad.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:28:48 UTC No. 16338291

HULLO

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:29:30 UTC No. 16338292

>>16338191
kek

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:12:19 UTC No. 16338344

>>16338097
Nitrogen would create NOx compounds which would pollute space

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:21:27 UTC No. 16338357

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:32:46 UTC No. 16338369

How come we haven't made a Mercury lander yet?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:42:51 UTC No. 16338381

>>16338369
I have the same question but for ceres

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:49:02 UTC No. 16338387

spehs lamo

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:49:41 UTC No. 16338389

>>16338387
ayy

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:56:08 UTC No. 16338396

>>16338381
We need landers for each terrestrial body in Sol by the end of next decade. Space exploration is simply not advancing fast enough. Not good enough.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:58:13 UTC No. 16338401

>>16338387
get back here and hand over the anti gravity tech!

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:10:14 UTC No. 16338415

>>16338396
I wish someone would come up with a system that could get to and then land on every body in the solar system. Oh well. Such a thing couldn't possibly exist

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:15:28 UTC No. 16338417

How viable is it to manufacture helium by hydrogen fusion? not with the goal of being energy positive just as a way to make helium.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:26:41 UTC No. 16338435

>>16338415
Just send multiple rockets with simple landers that deploys them on each POI. Forget the gravity assist meme, just send them straight to their destinations. Have them equipped with a 360° camera and other sensors. They don't have to be rovers, so size shouldn't be an issue. Why haven't we done this yet? Where is the flaw in my plan?

Inner
>Venus
>Mercury
>Mars
>Ceres

Jovian
>Callisto
>Ganymede
>Europa
>Io

Saturnian + Neptunian
>Titan
>Enceladus
>Triton

Outer
>Pluto
>Haumea
>Eris

JAXA showed that something like this is possible.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayabusa2

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:28:07 UTC No. 16338437

>>16338369
i wonder how how many refuelling's are needed to land on mercury with a starship and and where it would have to get refueled. sure a smaller lander which is brought there with solar electric propulsion would be probably better but still i wonder what is needed to get a starship there.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:30:49 UTC No. 16338445

has anyone figured out what music they used for the recap video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BdNDTlWbo

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:34:35 UTC No. 16338456

>>16338435
Unless you had some good reason to make them all nuclear you need at least 2 models, a solar one for the inner system and a nuclear one for the outer.
The ones to Jupiter probably need more rad shielding than the rest.
The ones to the TNOs and Mercury need massive fuel reserves for capture.
The Venus one needs to be pressure rated and is probably going to die quickly regardless.
Otherwise good plan, very commendable. Consider making 5+ for each of the more interesting bodies.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:04:06 UTC No. 16338492

is this possible?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:12:23 UTC No. 16338507

>>16338115
>Yeah, bet Elon stays awake nights worried about them.
the funny thing is elon would be happy if other people made better rockets than starship. he didnt even want to make spacex, he was forced to because nobody else tried. people fundamentally misunderstand his motivation. the problem is if he doesnt push for it nobody will. prior to the success of spacex nobody gave a shit about pushing for better rockets

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:18:03 UTC No. 16338518

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/08/22/boeing-starliner-nasa-astronauts-dragon-spacex/
>Harris has not said anything publicly on the Starliner situation, and the Space Council does not want “to influence a decision with two human lives at stake,” said a person close to the Space Council, who spoke on the condition of anonymity as they are not authorized to speak publicly about internal deliberations. “It’s not a policy decision, it’s a technical decision.” Still, Harris is closely following the situation and is being kept updated on developments, officials with knowledge of the situation said.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:19:14 UTC No. 16338519

>>16338518
so its 100% political, lol
lmao

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:20:00 UTC No. 16338520

>>16338518
Okay. What am I supposed to do with this knowledge though.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:25:01 UTC No. 16338530

>>16338520
Form a revolutionary militia, take over the white sands missile range, and declare independence. Thus leaving starliner with no place to land and forcing butch and suni to come back on dragon off the coast of florida.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:30:48 UTC No. 16338541

>>16338097
>nooo not the precious argon!! I was going to use that gas to... weld some kitschy novelty wind chime or a roll cage for my brother-in-law's go kart or something really important like that!

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:37:31 UTC No. 16338548

>>16338097
Do you understand why theyre called inert gases and what that property is used for you fucking moron?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:49:43 UTC No. 16338563

>>16338097
You can't. Nitrogen decomposes at the voltages used and attacks the materials that make up the Hall Effect thruster.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:55:00 UTC No. 16338573

>>16338097
Argon is not rare lmao

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:04:43 UTC No. 16338590

>>16338435
I was joking about Starship

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:07:09 UTC No. 16338593

>>16338590
You think I give a fuck?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:15:16 UTC No. 16338611

>>16338593
You should.
>multiple rockets with simple landers
There's the lander removed, it's part of the rocket. What other architecture were you thinking of? A couple of Vulcans?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:19:47 UTC No. 16338617

>>16338611
I don't know, fucking nerd. Just make it happen, I want pretty pictures of all the planets' and moons' surfaces.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:20:36 UTC No. 16338620

>>16338530
I want them to come back on shartliner because I want to see them die

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:21:10 UTC No. 16338622

>SLS contract extension hints at additional Artemis delays

JFMSU

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:23:26 UTC No. 16338624

>>16338617
You're in the rocket nerd thread dumbass, to make another one for pretty pictures

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:26:57 UTC No. 16338632

>>16338089
Other previous thread too >>16332789

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:29:11 UTC No. 16338635

>>16338622
Space exploration is never happening, is it?

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:36:33 UTC No. 16338643

>>16338635
>"""exploring""" the solar system we already have mapped out
ok

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:44:16 UTC No. 16338657

>>16338643
>mapped out

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:49:12 UTC No. 16338664

>>16338518
1. harris doesnt care about space, at all. at least that's the vibe i get from the spacenews article that says she put as little effort in the the NSC as possible.
2. the NSC is more like a nation-wide presentation on the state of the industry. nasa is firmly under the control of congress and not the nsc.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:50:20 UTC No. 16338666

>>16338635
im really thankful that we have china and spacex doing their own things. there is hope in spaceflight these days.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:54:32 UTC No. 16338671

>>16338401
Kek. Throw the schizos a bone so that they'll shut up

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:57:18 UTC No. 16338674

Rockets are sooo last century, all the cool kids are into zero point powered anti gravitics, get with the times boomer

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 22:58:13 UTC No. 16338676

>>16338666
>china and spacex
china's only 'contribution' is ripping off spacex technology

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:05:59 UTC No. 16338685

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:08:25 UTC No. 16338689

>>16338685
Bitch, please. We want to make the empty cosmic shitholes as splendid as Earth.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:10:34 UTC No. 16338691

I drive a 1980s Benz, no surprise that one from the 50s is still roadworthy.

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:20:38 UTC No. 16338697

>>16338435
phone poster get out

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:23:49 UTC No. 16338700

"In Russia..."

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:36:36 UTC No. 16338704

>>16338676
Unironically that is better then NASA and if they beat NASA at anything this will be why

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:43:28 UTC No. 16338705

>>16338437
dV is the same aside from the atmosphere assist on Mars, so with Starship you could only just get there. If you want to send humans you'd need to send a few ships, one for humans and a couple filled with fuel. But for a probe? I think a standard LEO filled Starship is good to go

Anonymous at Thu, 22 Aug 2024 23:58:45 UTC No. 16338724

Artemis could have three more major scrubs on the order of two-three years a piece and still beat China
Long March 10 is supposed to be their “expedited” carrier rocket and it’s still barely past prelim design. Mengzhou and Lanyue are arguably still in the latter part of development. Parts have been fabricated but I still anticipate major design changes. Meanwhile the US just has technical problems and Starship needs to be brute forced into working but that’s obviously going swimmingly

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:05:45 UTC No. 16338728

>>16338724
adding an addendum here, the way I worded this made it sound like starship was equally to blame. That’s not the case, the problem is NASA’s own hardware (via Boeing and LockMart)
I think if China were way further ahead (such as LM10 already having flown test missions and astronauts, Mengzhou and Lanyue lander doing LEO check-outs in the next year or two, that sort of thing) congress would be spooked enough to cancel SLS/Orion and just get there with SpaceX. But alas that is not the case. China is far ahead, therefore SLS/Orion lives, therefore we shoot ourselves in the foot for Artemis bc Congress doesn’t care because these cost-plus contracts keep them happy no matter how bad the results

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:08:55 UTC No. 16338730

"Simon didn't say Return to Earth."

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:09:28 UTC No. 16338731

>>16338728
>congress would be spooked enough to cancel SLS/Orion and just get there with SpaceX
never happening. money beats patriotism nowadays.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:10:51 UTC No. 16338734

>>16338445
More than likely in house
From what I remember alot of music used in older launch streams was in-house. Sad because some of it was good.
You can email or even tweet at SpaceX (or employees) and you *might* actually get a response

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:12:56 UTC No. 16338737

> NASA has scheduled a press conference for no earlier than 1 pm ET (17:00 UTC) Saturday to announce the agency's decision and next steps, the agency said.

"Stop that crying! We're live!"

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:19:07 UTC No. 16338739

>>16338089
Hey sfg bros, how far away are we from putting people on Mars, in your opinion? about 10 more years?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:21:08 UTC No. 16338743

>>16338739
2 weeks

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:23:03 UTC No. 16338744

>>16338739
Because you know exactly what problems stand between you and the goal, the closer you are to actually being able to do something, the further away it feels.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:23:16 UTC No. 16338745

>>16338739
You sound rapeable

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:24:44 UTC No. 16338747

>>16338739
back when he thought the government would help him instead of hinder him

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:36:02 UTC No. 16338757

>>16338739
falcon heavy could've put a man on mars 5 years ago. It just couldn't have brought him back again

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 00:44:30 UTC No. 16338761

>>16338757
starship won't be bringing people back either.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:05:39 UTC No. 16338785

>>16338761
at least starship is designed to be capable of refuelling, red dragon was always a one way trip

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:11:36 UTC No. 16338790

>>16338785
Refilling not refueling

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:27:11 UTC No. 16338801

in hindsight, ALPACA was pretty retarded

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:35:17 UTC No. 16338810

>>16338790
refueling and reoxidizering

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:51:22 UTC No. 16338822

>>16338801
*fat

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:53:22 UTC No. 16338823

>>16338801
rude

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:53:32 UTC No. 16338825

>>16338822
Stupid drop tank bitch. Hit the gym. Very shameful lander design!

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:09:16 UTC No. 16338837

Why do rocket engines operate at >100%, especially the SSMEs. That’s mot what “one hundred percent” means, you don’t go over 100

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:11:25 UTC No. 16338842

>>16338837
100% of rated power.
If you go much over they melt or explode.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:15:10 UTC No. 16338845

>>16338842
If you fly your engines at 104% every single flight like, ever, then why not make that 104% the new “100%”

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:21:30 UTC No. 16338851

>>16338734
I was able to find the music used in the second and third flight recap. They barely had any views and were uploaded a few years ago. From the comments, it looks like the songs were also used in mobile game trailers. SpaceX probably gets the songs from some random stock cinematic music playlist somewhere.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:39:29 UTC No. 16338875

>>16338730
nasa this weekend: *silence*
nasa next week: "we'll make a decision later"

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:41:05 UTC No. 16338876

>ift-5 on sept 11
>the booster somehow crashes into both towers

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:44:18 UTC No. 16338878

Did they ever figure out how to undock that Boeing piece of shit?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:51:11 UTC No. 16338884

>>16338878
Someone has to go out and push, the crew will draw straws later

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 03:42:59 UTC No. 16338943

>>16338435
>just send them straight to their destinations
>Why haven't we done this yet?

Because transfers to the outer planets are either stupidly high high energy or take more decades that the mission team has left in their lives, let alone their careers. High energy trajectories also mean small payloads which means you can barely pack enough propellant to pull into a capture orbit, let alone effect a landing. Something like a Pluto lander would need to slow down from a solar escape trajectory of around 15 km/s relative to the planet and then you still need at least 1-2 km/s left for your landing maneuvers. That's a big order even if you're working with a Starship sized mass and is functionally impossible otherwise if you're working with conventional chemical propulsion tech.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 03:46:06 UTC No. 16338947

Public apology and relaunch of the expansion coming.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 03:50:55 UTC No. 16338956

>>16338837
>SSMEs
Because their 100% was the original max setting for the RS-25s. As the Shuttle program progressed they were able to tweak the design to get more giddyup out of the engines. Leaving 100% where it originally was made things easier for mission planning purposes so they just started adding 11s and 12s to the dial instead.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:04:51 UTC No. 16338971

>>16338801
Lunar starship is retarded too, NASA doesn't know what scope they want HLS/Artemis to have. There is no plan.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:12:10 UTC No. 16338977

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1826728180377682321
>Funny tidbit on the first Falcon 9 launch in 2010. There was a delay due to a boat in the keep-out zone. As the Air Force worked to resolve it, someone at SpaceX photoshopped Shelby onto a jetski and they passed the image around in launch control.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:37:58 UTC No. 16338987

space is a red herring

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:53:39 UTC No. 16338991

>>16338344
>NOx
Ouch, I forgot that there's oxygen in the space.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 05:35:59 UTC No. 16339010

>>16338739
Less than 10 years, the starship programme is going very very well with both stages returning intact (mostly) + raptor 3 working and being the beast it is

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 05:54:53 UTC No. 16339032

oh yeah starship is so ready to fly
>5 weeks later
oh yeah so ready

🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 05:59:15 UTC No. 16339038

Make rockets orange again

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:03:50 UTC No. 16339043

>>16338739
9 to 12 with 7 or 8 of those years being related to the actual surface mission planning, hardware, and training in addition the testing of life support systems for long duration space flight as well as the likely need for logistics support missions that will need to arrive first before a TMI with humans is conducted plus the inevitable delays that will occur. Starship itself is the easy part.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:06:44 UTC No. 16339047

>>16339032
It's the freaking FAA, holmes.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:13:01 UTC No. 16339056

>>16339032
Week starting 9th September
t. knower

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:15:34 UTC No. 16339059

>>16339032
starship is ready, tower is not. it will be 2-3 months before they are ready to catch

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:19:55 UTC No. 16339062

>>16339032
retard

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 06:28:41 UTC No. 16339069

>>16338876
>yfw

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:06:31 UTC No. 16339083

>>16338790
reniggering

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:28:19 UTC No. 16339095

>>16339032
Elon said 3 weeks two weeks ago
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1822421779455090791

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:29:07 UTC No. 16339097

>>16339095
>about
October it is then

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:29:21 UTC No. 16339098

shows where earth are the bad guys and mars are the good guys?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:31:16 UTC No. 16339101

>>16339095
He's a week off. 2 more weeks trust the plan

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:34:55 UTC No. 16339104

>>16338657
triton... nigga, who gives a fuck? it's in the ass end of nowhere, ain't nobody ever gonna go there anyways. even knowing it's there is excessively high resolution for all the maps anybody will ever need of it.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:46:40 UTC No. 16339106

>>16339098
Expanse

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 07:49:06 UTC No. 16339107

>>16339095
somebody should calculate elon time coefficient

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:00:15 UTC No. 16339113

September 15th

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:02:46 UTC No. 16339116

>>16339113
3 more weeks

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:36:01 UTC No. 16339129

>>16338739
Mars colonization is just a cover story for why SpaceX is building rockets to launch Brilliant Pebbles

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 08:39:23 UTC No. 16339134

>>16339098
They'd just be pale imitations of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 09:06:50 UTC No. 16339149

>>16339104
Triton will be the gateway for humana to the Kuiper Belt.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 09:07:29 UTC No. 16339150

>>16338730
I love the fact that starliner is blocking the docking port spacex's deorbiting dragon is suppose to use, what if it's stuck there forever and they just have to leave the iss in orbit.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 09:08:56 UTC No. 16339151

>>16338739
Just like fusion power manned mars missions are always gonna be 10 years away.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 09:53:55 UTC No. 16339171

>uhhh yeah instead of doing anything important what we really want to do is send people to a red piece of shit covered in toxic salt with an extremely thin atmosphere, no ozone, no magnetosphere, gravity that would cause permanent complications for human life, and generally no upsides to interacting with whatsoever

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:00:39 UTC No. 16339178

>>16339171
you get away from retards, that is reason enough

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:06:40 UTC No. 16339183

>>16339178
You can achieve the same thing (increased living space) for much lower cost putting the same amount of research and effort into constructing self contained habitat modules designed for earth oceans, and as tech advances on miniaturised fusion/hydrogen energy/robotics/radiation shielding those can be repurposed into sealed biomodules for Venus and the ice giants which actually have resources worth exploiting. The obsession with Mars is actively harming the argument for space colonization.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:12:03 UTC No. 16339191

>>16339183
wrong, if you go to the ocean you aren't getting away from anything, you are still under the influence of earth governments and easily within reach
retard

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:13:53 UTC No. 16339193

>>16339191
Oh shit, you're UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF EARTH GOVERNMENTS? as opposed to going to the toxic red shithole where you are entirely at the mercy of earth governments spending ridiculous amounts of money on keeping you alive for the next few millennia?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:16:08 UTC No. 16339196

>>16339193
yes, you misunderstood the whole point of "get away from retards" and started talking about completely differrent irrelevant things
the point is to make a self-sufficient colony so you are free from the influence of earth governments, its not going to take millennia
its going to take like 50 years

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:18:21 UTC No. 16339197

>>16339196
>the point is to make a self-sufficient colony so you are free from the influence of earth governments, its not going to take millennia
>its going to take like 50 years
It would be more valuable to commission a study on the bizarre connection between brown ESL retards and Mars obsessions than anything related to colonization

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:20:42 UTC No. 16339200

>>16339197
how did you find this place?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:21:17 UTC No. 16339201

>go outside to see the night sky
>the moon, mars, and jupiter are all visible
>tfw we'll have colonies in all three bodies before the end of the century
there is hope

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:41:40 UTC No. 16339208

T minus 30 hours until we get NASA's decision about Butch and Sunni

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:42:57 UTC No. 16339211

>>16339200
After COVID, most of /sci/ is anti science. This happens sometimes when /sfg/ is on page 1.
>>16339183
Great plan retard. Pic

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:44:27 UTC No. 16339214

>>16339211
>utter retard ESL thinks he's safe from the government in the one place that only the government can provide life support

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:46:40 UTC No. 16339217

>>16339211
What is it with libertardians and becoming obsessed with space colonies? Forget your delusional dreams, there are only two entities that will be able to facilitate space colonisation in the next hundred or two years - the American and Chinese governments.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:47:46 UTC No. 16339218

>>16339214
its not the government that is going to provide it, its SpaceX

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:48:46 UTC No. 16339219

>>16339218
Now think, genius, what is SpaceX powerless without the money and resources of?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:48:47 UTC No. 16339220

>>16339217
Elon Musk and SpaceX with Starlink is the idea, not the American government

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:49:36 UTC No. 16339223

>>16339219
Starlink revenue has already outpaced the NASA human exploration budget. SpaceX is doing it alone.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:50:02 UTC No. 16339224

"And Godzookie..."

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:50:39 UTC No. 16339225

>>16339214
>only the government
That's how I know you're a tourist hahahah

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:51:17 UTC No. 16339226

>>16339219
SpaceX is self sufficient and if it wasn't for Starlink, Musk could bankroll the thing with Tesla and probably other companies later (that are just starting out now but have the potential to become big)

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:51:51 UTC No. 16339227

>>16339217
>only le government can do it
Why? You don't understand the problem so why make baseless suppositions as if they're fact?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:57:22 UTC No. 16339233

>>16339214
>>16339197
It's worth noting that poor spelling or grammar itt is due to the presence of engineers not third worlders

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:57:43 UTC No. 16339234

>>16339223
>>16339226
Most of SpaceX's revenue (including that of Starlink) is provided by American government contracts
Source: https://payloadspace.com/estimating-spacexs-2023-revenue/

Additionally, the American government can provably do whatever they want with Elon's business because they ultimately control the fate of the business (IE forcing him to supply Starlink which Elon has said is losing him money in a certain conflict that I won't mention by name).

Finally, the money SpaceX IS making through commercial Starlink contracts is over 50% through American customers, a market controlled entirely by the American government.

Ergo: SpaceX is (at best) entirely beholden to the the United States government.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:02:25 UTC No. 16339240

>>16339234
are you retarded? your source contradicts your statement
starshield is a different thing from starlink and 2023 it was just starting to become a thing
soon Starlink revenues are going to massively outpace launch revenues

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:03:57 UTC No. 16339242

>>16339234
also you are starting to move the goalposts now
beholden to yes, but that is not what you argued at the start
of course SpaceX is going to be under the laws of the US government, that doesn't mean SpaceX needs US gov money for the colony
they just need to get out of SpaceXs way, which is a much lesser requirement

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:03:59 UTC No. 16339243

>>16339234
By your own source it's less than half, and will continue to shrink as the constellation grows. The demand for bandwidth means that every satellite they launch is profitable in only a week. What do you think this means for when Starship is up and running? We're going

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:05:28 UTC No. 16339245

Hypergolic beetles

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:12:52 UTC No. 16339250

>>16339240
>>16339242
The chart shows just over 50%, read it again.
Funnily enough NASA even paid for half of the development of Falcon 9 (the rest was paid for by SpaceX via funds they made by taking NASA contracts).
>beholden to yes, but that is not what you argued at the start
Beholden to and funded by the American government and American consumers. Anywhere SpaceX can reach is ultimately going to be paid for by the American taxpayer, particularly absurd money sinks like interstellar colonisation.
>that doesn't mean SpaceX needs US gov money for the colony
They will be using US Gov money for the colony, you'd have to be the most braindead libertardian on the planet to think it won't be subsidised if it ever happens. There is no profit to be made there within a century. Mars has no particularly valuable resources.
>they just need to get out of SpaceXs way, which is a much lesser requirement
Ah yes the government... Very well known for simply getting out of the way of business in extremely political ventures which it funds.
>By your own source it's less than half, and will continue to shrink as the constellation grows. The demand for bandwidth means that every satellite they launch is profitable in only a week. What do you think this means for when Starship is up and running? We're going
Even if we assume, extremely generously, that Starlink reaches a point where it can fund extraterrestrial missions and colonisation without the need for taking government contracts (this will not happen), as mentioned earlier it can get East India Company'd at any time because even most of its private revenue comes from American citizens.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:15:07 UTC No. 16339252

>>16339234
the musk worshippers think that spacex is basically outer heaven or some shit, there's this bizarre mythology spread amongst cryptobros that musk has created his own statelet rather than a business

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:15:11 UTC No. 16339253

>>16339250
just keep moving those goalposts buddy

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:16:27 UTC No. 16339254

>>16339250

> absurd money sinks like interstellar colonisation

Okay. Well tell Soon to stop "interstellar colonisation". Happy now?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:16:40 UTC No. 16339255

>>16339253
No private company is sending anything to Mars without government contracts. Only the (US, and maybe Chinese on a much longer timeframe) government can supply and create anything approximating a colony.
>>16339252
Basically yes

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:18:15 UTC No. 16339258

>>16339250
Oh yeah, he's seething. Next time don't post something you don't know anything about
>>16339252
Wrong, hate crypto, hate Tesla, love SpaceX

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:19:16 UTC No. 16339260

>>16339255
>No private company is sending anything to Mars without government contracts. Only the (US, and maybe Chinese on a much longer timeframe) government can supply and create anything approximating a colony.
Why? What is the barrier for a private company? Specifically.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:21:11 UTC No. 16339264

>>16339258
>no counter argument after getting dismantled, just the ol' "u mad bro?"
Classic ESL strategy
>>16339260
>Why? What is the barrier for a private company? >Specifically.
Initial investment (gargantuan) and profitability (there is none).

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:21:19 UTC No. 16339265

>>16339260
The operational authority of SpaceX as a corporation and their activities in space are legally under the authority of the United States Government, and this is agreed to in international treaty.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:23:04 UTC No. 16339266

>>16339265
no way bro elon will simply use his private military to btfo the government and settle mars unilaterally

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:23:28 UTC No. 16339267

>>16339264
>>16339264
>Initial investment (gargantuan) and profitability (there is none).
neither are problems for SpaceX or Musk who has about 80% voting control of Space>
got anything else?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:23:47 UTC No. 16339268

>>16339265
Nothing you said prevents a private company from setting up a mars colony.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:24:38 UTC No. 16339271

>>16339264
>Initial investment (gargantuan) and profitability (there is none).
Starlink exists to create the money stream to go into the nearly bottomless money pit.
>>16339268
Correct.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:25:07 UTC No. 16339272

>>16339265
so you think it is impossible for a private corporation to operate in space or planetary bodies without government contracts?
that is not some law of nature and depends on the specific government in power
as it happens to be, Musk is about to have a bunch of influence in the next government if all goes well

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:25:47 UTC No. 16339275

>>16339264
>investment
The purpose of SpaceX is to spend all their money to do it. They're a private company. They're also biting off a larger and larger chunk of the trillion per year telecom market.
>profitability
They know there's no profitability, that's why a local self sustaining economy is so important. Glad I could clear that up for you.
>>16339265
You think the US government is going to make it illegal for a private company to set up an American base on a different planet? We'll see dude

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:26:03 UTC No. 16339276

>>16339267
SpaceX doesn't have even close to the amount of resources, technology, or capital required to send a single ship to Mars.
>but he's rich
Not even close. If it were the case, he wouldn't be begging NASA for contracts - he'd be settling it right now.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:26:07 UTC No. 16339277

>>16339272
It's not about the Government Contracts, it's about Government Authorization: SpaceX does not fly any mission without a license from the FAA.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:27:02 UTC No. 16339279

>>16339275
>You think the US government is going to make it illegal for a private company to set up an American base on a different planet? We'll see dude
An American base... Under American jurisdiction... Funded by American tax dollars through American subsidies... And this is where you want to escape the le evil government?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:27:22 UTC No. 16339280

>>16339275
>You think the US government is going to make it illegal for a private company to set up an American base on a different planet? We'll see dude

We've seen dumber shit made illegal because a government official basically didn't like it. Red Dragon didn't happen because JPL was feeling threatened by SpaceX offering to make sending cargo to Mars a lot cheaper than their bespoke toys.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:27:42 UTC No. 16339281

>>16339279
>Under American jurisdiction
Banned by the outer space treaty

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:28:16 UTC No. 16339283

>>16339277
getting a license from FAA doesn't mean the mission you are doing is under government contract but thanks for admitting there is nothing fundamentally preventing private missions I guess

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:29:04 UTC No. 16339284

>>16339281
>there's not going to be any police or enforcement on a hypothetical permanent Mars colony because of the outer space treaty
Is this the last desperate cope of the libertarian?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:29:18 UTC No. 16339285

>>16339283
You're welcome; just be prepared for the eventuality that someone will try to create that obstacle for one or more bullshit reasons.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:29:30 UTC No. 16339286

>>16339276
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and its pointless to continue this conversation

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:29:45 UTC No. 16339287

me hiding from super scary micrometeorites

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:30:05 UTC No. 16339288

>>16339284
That is not at all what I said. Who are you quoting?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:30:28 UTC No. 16339289

>>16339281
Wrong. The relevant international work is the Artemis Accords.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:30:45 UTC No. 16339290

>>16339283
>there is nothing fundamentally preventing private missions I guess
Oh no, there isn't anything preventing private missions. It's just that they would all be funded by, done under the scrutiny of, and completed according to the requirements of the government... Which you want to escape or something.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:34:27 UTC No. 16339293

>>16339290
>>16339191
Maybe the weirdest thing about this absurd libertarian "escape the government under the auspices of SpaceX" angle is that you'd only be trading the US government, which at least nominally has your interests in mind, for what would functionally be the tyranny of SpaceX who in this hypothetical scenario would control all supply of and facilities on a (again, hypothetical) Mars colony. That would be what one might refer to as... a government.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:36:44 UTC No. 16339296

>>16339289
The artemis accord are almost the exact same as the outer treaty except the AA makes specific provisions for private companies extracting resources. Both prohibit earth based nations from extending their jurisdiction beyond earth.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:38:18 UTC No. 16339297

>>16339296
Private companies under the jurisdiction of earth based nations and governments, that is.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:39:38 UTC No. 16339299

>>16339290
>funded by
wrong
>done under the scrutiny of
wrong
>completed according to the requirements
wrong

look at Polaris Dawn, privately funded, not under the scrutiny of NASA or the government other than getting a launch license (which isn't really related to the mission itself) and there are no requirements from NASA
its a completely private mission, paid for privately, using a private spacecraft by a private company with private astronauts using a privately developed spacesuit

if you stretch the definition of government controlled to everything as you seem to want to do, then nothing is really "private", but doing that would be completely retarded and completely divorced from what you implied or said at the beginning

what will probably happen is that the first human mars landings are going to happen using SpaceX developed Starship with not much NASA involvement, the Astronauts being NASA astronauts and then the missions after that and the colony buildout being privately SpaceX as congress and people in general lose interest
and the reason they do this is to not humiliate NASA and let NASA take credit for the first human mars landings, but probably use basically 100% SpaceX developed technology

NASA is going to do something like this with the successor to the ISS, renting or buying a space station or space station modules from private companies (Axiom, Vast, Gravitics, SpaceX)

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:40:59 UTC No. 16339302

>>16339299
A human spaceflight mission like Polaris Dawn has no real political implications, unlike a Mars colony.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:41:02 UTC No. 16339303

>>16339293
yes a different government with less retards, exactly the point
if you look what I said >>16339178
, it wasn't to get away from "government", it was to get away from retards

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:42:38 UTC No. 16339306

>>16339302
again moving the goalposts lmao
so it is possible, but not going to happen due to politics? yet again a completely different argument

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:42:48 UTC No. 16339307

>>16339303
>no I don't want to get away from authority, I just want to live under great fuhrer for life elon musk

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:42:55 UTC No. 16339308

>>16339297
They're under the jurisdiction of earth based nations on earth. As per both treaties anything these companies do in space will not be under earth nations jurisdictions because they are banned by both treaties from extending their jurisdictions to outer space. Thus a mars colony will not be under an earth nations jurisdiction.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:43:55 UTC No. 16339309

>>16339307
Who are you quoting?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:44:03 UTC No. 16339310

>>16339307
Well fair enough. You can hardly call that libertarianism. Is there a term for political ideology based on slavish corporate bootlicking?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:44:04 UTC No. 16339311

>>16339306
>>16339302
and I mean if you are correct and the founding of a colony is threatened by politics (it would be) that is the perfect reason why Musk would need to get involved in politics in the first place
so he can found the colony and try to get it developed towards self-sufficiency without screeching earthers getting in the way

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:45:14 UTC No. 16339312

>>16339307
the first mars colony is the first step, with the tech developed there people will start other colonies run by other people

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:45:44 UTC No. 16339313

>>16339296
>>16339297
The Outer Space Treaty explicitly elucidates that the efforts of men in space are under the jurisdiction and auspices of the governments of their nation of origin. The only thing it prohibits is claiming sovereignty and ownership over the celestial bodies and from putting weapons of mass destruction in orbit.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:46:02 UTC No. 16339315

>>16339308
I'm very happy for you if you would like to live in the fantasy universe where earth governments will not interfere in the establishment of permanent colonies on other planets using funds taken from their contracts and citizens. In fact, can you let us know where you're getting the premium kush required to enter it?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:46:53 UTC No. 16339318

>>16339038
SLS but blue SOFI foam and instead of the uninspiring name of ‘Space Launch System,’ it is instead called something like “Neptune” or “Uranus” (the latter would actually be funny)

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:49:30 UTC No. 16339322

>>16339287
when you’re in orbit and see your earther gf charged $52.71 at a Walgreens at midnight

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:50:56 UTC No. 16339324

Why would you enter a thread where people discuss a topic all day and assume you know more than them

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:50:59 UTC No. 16339325

>>16339315
>its banned by treaty
>psst, you think that'll stop them?
Well if you want to ignore everything the relevant parties have said on the matter then I can just say they'll transfer nasas budget towards giving every citizen a free pony.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:53:44 UTC No. 16339327

>>16339325
As the other anon rightly pointed out, the men and women themselves remain under the jurisdiction of their government as per the treaty. Even if we assume that when realities change and it is feasible to occupy and take extraplanetary land that the relevant treaties won't be revised, any such settlement will be under the defacto authority of their government(s) as every person on board will be.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:56:17 UTC No. 16339328

>they've completely dropped the technical feasibility and are making esoteric claims about space law
If you don't care about a topic don't post, if you don't understand a topic then don't post without a question mark at the end. You'll seem way less stupid that way

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:56:53 UTC No. 16339329

>>16339328
What are you babbling about now, thirdie?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:58:05 UTC No. 16339331

>>16339329
What is your obsession faggot? I'm American

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:58:19 UTC No. 16339332

>>16339299
>look at Polaris Dawn, privately funded, not under the scrutiny of NASA or the government other than getting a launch license (which isn't really related to the mission itself) and there are no requirements from NASA
all of this has absolutely 0 to do with your retarded dreams of escaping the government by going to mars, retard

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:59:40 UTC No. 16339334

>>16339327
Without a proper space navy, it will be difficult to enforce treaties. The more self-sufficient a settlement is, the less relevant diktats from Earth become.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:59:48 UTC No. 16339335

>>16339332
he never said escape the government, he said escape retards, kinda like people who lack reading comprehension.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:01:07 UTC No. 16339337

>>16339332
Alright, suppose there is a self-sufficient settlement on Mars. What will the US government want from it? Taxes in return for protection from Chinese and other aliens? How can these demands be enforced?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:02:19 UTC No. 16339341

>>16339332
Why are you obsessed with the government having control of people?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:03:34 UTC No. 16339342

I want earth governments to try to exert claims over martian colony for the kino wars of secession that'll happen.
>What right does a country have to control a planet?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:05:24 UTC No. 16339345

Is it the same 2 retards arguing in both threads right now?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:15:28 UTC No. 16339356

>>16339342
Hey it looks like you forgot to use the "reply" feature. I know 4chan can be daunting to understand at first, but using the reply feature will help clarify who you're responding to, and doing otherwise will make you stand out a bit! Just make sure you learn how to use the websites features before posting

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:20:01 UTC No. 16339364

>>16339356
I wasn't responding to anyone retard. Are you that desperate for attention?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:20:15 UTC No. 16339365

>>16339342
they are going to want to exert claims, no need to worry about that
and a SpaceX funded colony is going to be nominally under USA control for quite a while, its just that it probably won't be micromanaged like a city on earth would be like with zoning laws or air quality standards or DEI requirements
hopefully it will be multiple different companies doing stuff

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 12:42:28 UTC No. 16339379

>>16338747
He actually had the same intuition, he just thought NASA/Congress would put that aside for something such a critical/national prestige, but instead petty politics got in the way.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:09:17 UTC No. 16339402

Whats been happening in this edition of /sfg/
>>16339307
>ratchet and clank
Very nice

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:19:55 UTC No. 16339411

Any books/interviews by ex employees about what Musk is like behind closed doors

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:20:42 UTC No. 16339413

>>16339411
he can be a cunt sometimes

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:32:36 UTC No. 16339421

>>16339413
source?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:33:12 UTC No. 16339423

>>16339421
Anon's own ass

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:33:16 UTC No. 16339424

>>16339421
it came to me in a dream

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:34:37 UTC No. 16339425

Steve jobs got fired as CEO by the Apple board for being too belligerent. He started another "groundbreaking" computer company called NeXT which failed. And he made his way back to Apple

Not only was Steve Jobs a belligerent asshole (so are most CEOs,) Steve was also a crazy narcissist who worked with a PR and marketing team to spin every story of his complete antisocial behavior into a story about how necessary he was for the company to thrive.

Apple has continued to innovate and deliver products long after his death. Windows has continued to be a mediocre product after Bill Gates left. Tesla is doing fine with Elon investing all of his time burning Twitter to the ground.

Founders stories are just that, stories. They are written by authors, told by PR teams, and sold by marketers.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:36:21 UTC No. 16339429

>>16339425
>Apple has continued to innovate and deliver products long after his death.
How did the apple electric car go?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:36:55 UTC No. 16339432

leddit

spacing

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:37:49 UTC No. 16339434

>>16339425
>Apple has continued to innovate and deliver products long after his death.
wrong

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:38:44 UTC No. 16339437

>>16339434
my headphones disagree

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:38:58 UTC No. 16339438

>>16339434
Yeah what exactly do they do besides phones and tablets these days? I haven't even seen an apple computer in years, when I was in school the labs were lousy with 'em.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:41:21 UTC No. 16339443

>>16339438
A lot of people use apple apps like apple pay and such.
Apparently apps make up like a quarter of their profits.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:41:48 UTC No. 16339444

apple floundered and nearly went bankrupt after Jobs left and only became the powerhouse after Jobs came back
after Jobs died Apple has not done anything new really, they have just been coasting on the stuff that Jobs started and squeezed as much money out of the position they have with monopolistic Apple store practices and doing a phone that is 5% better than the previous phone
the fact that Buffet invested in Apple tells you everything you need to know, he doesn't invest in disruptive innovation but staple, steady companies like Chevron, Coca-Cola

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:43:17 UTC No. 16339450

May I direct everyone's attention to the Samsung owning chaebols of south Korea?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:45:54 UTC No. 16339458

>>16339432
Every time

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:48:28 UTC No. 16339460

>>16339443
>Apparently apps make up like a quarter of their profits.
Revolting

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:55:12 UTC No. 16339474

https://x.com/Will_Tanner_1/status/1826722542310359281

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:01:38 UTC No. 16339486

>>16339460
The entirety of the third world does their banking in US dollars through Apple pay. They don't have any other infrastructure but they all have phones

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:02:00 UTC No. 16339487

>>16339474
Boeing was never run by engineers

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:04:15 UTC No. 16339490

>>16339365
>it probably won't be micromanaged like a city on earth
lol

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:05:42 UTC No. 16339493

>>16339490
not with nonsensical retarded legislation

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:09:12 UTC No. 16339499

I hope SpaceX undergoes a hostile takeover.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:12:18 UTC No. 16339501

>>16339499
not possible with Musks 80% control

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:20:01 UTC No. 16339515

>>16339499
I hope you get killed in a random mugging.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:28:33 UTC No. 16339525

>>16339515
hardly gonna happen since I live in an ethnostate

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:34:17 UTC No. 16339532

>>16339525
India?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:36:59 UTC No. 16339533

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1826991804056547540

saar please do not redeem

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:38:59 UTC No. 16339536

>>16339533
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/as-nasa-nears-major-decision-on-starliner-heres-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont/
>On Friday and Saturday, NASA engineers and decision-makers will review the final results of internal and external analyses of the failed thrusters. NASA wants to understand the root cause well enough to ensure there won't be multiple thruster failures on a return journey to Earth. The right combination of failures at the wrong time would be catastrophic for the crew.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:41:08 UTC No. 16339541

>>16339493
It'll be neuralink mind control instead

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:43:01 UTC No. 16339543

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:43:08 UTC No. 16339544

Rate this rotary mass driver

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:43:58 UTC No. 16339545

When will we know about Starliner?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:44:02 UTC No. 16339546

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:44:38 UTC No. 16339547

>>16339544

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:45:59 UTC No. 16339549

>>16339545
>What I know for sure is that, internally at Johnson Space Center, teams have continued to work both return options, keeping open the possibility of Butch and Suni coming back on Starliner or Crew Dragon. I don't believe a final decision will be made until Saturday morning. However, as of Friday, my best information continues to point toward a Crew Dragon return as the most likely outcome.

no earlier than tomorrow

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:55:20 UTC No. 16339559

Summary: Can NASA management beat the safety team in to line, so astronaut's lives are risked to save a contractor money?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:58:35 UTC No. 16339562

>>16339559
so they can save a contractor face

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:07:05 UTC No. 16339568

>>16339562

There's no face to save. The Boeing brand is toxic.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:28:29 UTC No. 16339588

>>16339559
long term the best outcome would probably be that they choose to return on starliner and then die. it would be a great blow to the oldspace lobby that slows down progress, and also lessen the damage when inevitably the time comes where people die on a spacex mission

the problem is that deaths have become way too political. hundreds of years ago millions died on the journey to america, and nobody gives a shit when millions of people die from drug overdoses and obesity. but i guarantee you that if people die on a mars mission, progress will be delayed by years at minimum

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:39:47 UTC No. 16339605

>>16339299
>look at Polaris Dawn

Can't launch without the permission of the US government.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:44:04 UTC No. 16339608

>>16339605
Do you honestly think the government won't give permission to advance American spaceflight? Especially when permission is all they need to provide? Especially when China starts to ramp up their program?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:45:01 UTC No. 16339609

>>16339605
Simple, remove the US government.
Now you can launch whenever you please.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:45:30 UTC No. 16339610

>>16339588
you're smoking crack if you don't think all the deaths in and on the way to america slowed down colonization.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:50:10 UTC No. 16339618

>>16339610
you misunderstand my point. obviously avoiding deaths altogether is the ideal outcome. but sometimes progress requires sacrifice. imagine if nobody journeyed to america until it was 100% safe to do so. if we were more willing to sacrifice a few frogs, and perhaps even a few human lives, we would already have a mars colony

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:57:03 UTC No. 16339620

India's next rocket, a 3 stage Falcon 9 with SRB

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:58:54 UTC No. 16339622

>>16339432
it’s been off the charts recently, its really distracting lol

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:00:25 UTC No. 16339623

>>16339620
Good grief just do a big TSTO what’s with all this tip-toe shit India keeps doing.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:18:03 UTC No. 16339637

>>16339421
reddit

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:19:07 UTC No. 16339639

>>16339425
What happened after iphone? I dont remember. Nothing innovative after 10 years. Hell I dont even know what the difference is between iphone 6 and iphone whatever it is today

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:21:14 UTC No. 16339642

>>16339546
He should have added the sentence "They dont want a possibility of giving SpaceX and Elon Musk a chance to bask in glory/savior of this current disaster"

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:21:19 UTC No. 16339643

will all the soulless falcon clones switch from gridfins to normal fins after new glenn proves you don't have to copy spacex to a t to make a reusable rocket?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:23:48 UTC No. 16339647

>>16339643
>implying

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:24:02 UTC No. 16339648

>>16339643
No.
Grid fins are just better.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:26:03 UTC No. 16339649

>>16339610
they didnt halt all transaltantic crossings for losing a single ship until the cause was identified and every other ship rebuilt to make another sinking from the same cause unlikely.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:28:26 UTC No. 16339652

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1827012570357612835

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:30:51 UTC No. 16339655

>>16339652
I'll be honest I don't think it's as important as Elon thinks it is. You could probably still colonize Mars for $50,000,000 per 100 tons or per 8 colonists. You push some work to the Mars side but it's still doable

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:33:13 UTC No. 16339658

>>16339655
you need cheap mass to orbi to get cheap mass to mars and to get cheap mass to orbit you need rapidly reusable rockets

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:34:38 UTC No. 16339659

>>16339655
>You could probably still colonize Mars for $50,000,000 per 100 tons or per 8 colonists
which is unfortunately less than what starship will cost to send stuff to mars.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:36:12 UTC No. 16339665

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1827007140352975023
>NS-26 is targeting liftoff from Launch Site One on Thursday, August 29. The launch window opens at 8:00 AM CDT / 13:00 UTC.
I guess they're still doing these.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:37:18 UTC No. 16339669

>>16339659
lol no its not

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:37:24 UTC No. 16339670

>>16339652
>100% reusable
>ablative heatshield

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:37:32 UTC No. 16339672

>>16339655
It's not just about cost but availability of rockets. The necessary number of rockets needed is not a problem you can solve with money.
Elon seems to have the idea that in order to a colony to survive, the best idea is an over abundance of resources and possibly less reliance on mass optimized equipment which is almost never robust.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:38:26 UTC No. 16339674

>>16339670
>100% reusable
>burns all the propellant it can hold on every flight

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:38:55 UTC No. 16339676

reusable raptors when

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:40:37 UTC No. 16339679

>>16339104
I will not tolerate Triton slander on this board

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:41:38 UTC No. 16339681

New zoo brine 33 seconds ago I am beating the zubrinposter to the punch
https://x.com/themarssociety/status/1827022991424716993

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:43:11 UTC No. 16339683

>>16339658
How cheap though? What's the MVP for Mars industrialization? If you can scale production exponentially from ISRU to basic casting and machining to electrical components to chips, then each step might take the same mass to Mars for a 10x increase in local production. 100 tons of chips goes a long way. You could probably do it with some minimal number of ships and people that wouldn't be too bad with a worst case Starship cost.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:45:33 UTC No. 16339687

>>16339683
>What's the MVP for Mars industrialization?
nobody knows for sure but one million tons and ten thousand people is a good starting point.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:47:22 UTC No. 16339688

>>16339670
The heat shield is not ablative, perhaps you were confused bybthe existance of the secondary back up heat shield?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:47:36 UTC No. 16339689

>>16339672
Isn't Starship already cheaper and quicker to build than F9? Even with a worst case price starting from here I think Mars colonization is pretty much assured. Do you need a city of a million people when you have automation? Do you need thousands of ships when only 5% of your industry's mass needs to be imported? I think worst case from here we could do it.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:49:42 UTC No. 16339691

>>16339688
is the backupheatshield ablative?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:50:43 UTC No. 16339693

>>16339620
>>>/wsg/5658197

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:51:24 UTC No. 16339695

>>16339687
>one million tons
Over 50 years that's like 6 Starships to LEO per day. You don't think you could go lower? You're talking about sending 5x what the largest container ships on Earth can carry

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:51:45 UTC No. 16339696

>>16339691
Yes the back up heat shield, which under normal conditions is not used, is ablative.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:52:48 UTC No. 16339698

>>16339683
well musk is aiming for 1 million tonnes to Mars to get a self sufficient colony
2-10 million per launch of starship to LEO and you need about 5x of what you want to launch to mars to LEO, so 5 million tonnes to LEO, lets say 100t to be conservative so 50k Starship launches, 10mil per launch would be 500 billion
if it costs 100mil to launch starship then that is 5T, starts to be unfeasible
500bil might be feasible if you have 30bil revenue per year from starlink over multiple decades (16.7 years in this case), you would need to do other stuff of course like build the ships that are going to mars which can't be used right away but with 10mil and 100t reusable you are in the ballpark
if you get 5 mil and 200t then you only need 125bil, if it costs 50mil and you get 50t to orbit its going to 5T again so unfeasible

I think you really need to get out of the gate very aggressively and start spamming stuff into mars to have a chance of making it self sustainable, if you are too slow then you might not get the critical mass to see it through (lets say Musk dies and his heirs squabble and aren't interested in using SpaceX capital to build a city on mars but would rather take the money as dividends and do something else)

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:55:18 UTC No. 16339700

>>16339695
that is just the ballpark, in any case you need to be sending a lot of mass to mars, doesn't really matter if the actual number comes out to 300k tonnes instead of 1mil tonnes, you would need to mass produce starships anyway
and just sending a lot of mass will solve a lot of the engineering problems
one of the reasons why space is so expensive is mass autism. its vicious circle that makes everything expensive, halts innovation, stagnates everything

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:57:12 UTC No. 16339701

>>16339681
this dude is deranged

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 16:59:03 UTC No. 16339702

>>16339689
million people is just a round goal
the point here is also to have a completely self sufficient colony of humans that wouldn't be wiped out with one catastrophe
the more people you have and the bigger the colony is (hopefully multiple different cities eventually) then the more resilient it is just due to "redundancy"

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:02:11 UTC No. 16339706

>>16339665
Why the fuck do they need a launch window, the rocket isn't going anywhere. Are they just trying to pretend it's a real rocket and not a elaborate fairground ride?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:02:28 UTC No. 16339707

how to deal with the fact that even with our best efforts we found no feasible way a martian/lunar colony could be self sustainable.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:03:21 UTC No. 16339709

>>16339706
they still need a waiver from the FAA which is only open for so long because they need to keep planes away from it.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:04:22 UTC No. 16339710

>>16339681
>Mars Society
>hasn't sent one person or even any infrastructure to mars
what the fuck is the point of this society?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:14:21 UTC No. 16339715

>>16339707
Huh? What's missing on Mars?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:19:06 UTC No. 16339721

>>16339707
Just wrong. Every element necessary is present, it's a simple matter of extraction infrastructure.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:20:00 UTC No. 16339723

https://x.com/rfa_space/status/1827030581986611696

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:20:53 UTC No. 16339726

>there's not enough carbon on the moon to industrialize
how much carbon do we actually need on the moon? could we just send a starship full of coal up every now and then?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:21:00 UTC No. 16339727

>>16339723

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:21:48 UTC No. 16339728

>>16339707
>we have tried exactly 0 times
>it's clearly impossible

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:22:02 UTC No. 16339729

>>16339726
I guess you could, but why would you not just manufacture the stuff you need carbon for on earth and then send it to the moon?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:23:17 UTC No. 16339730

>>16339728
we simulated it

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:23:24 UTC No. 16339732

>>16339698
A million tons of what though? You just need a minimum viable way of sorting dirt into metals and then casting or machining them and that's most of your industry's mass for all time. You can use it to make the big and heavy parts of itself and then get the remaining complex components next window. Every single thing built on Mars can use this basic strategy. What I mean is, ramp up local production into more and more complex components so that as you develop further your imported mass stays pretty much the same while the complexity of what you're importing goes up until you're receiving Starships with nothing but chips and people, and then just people. Am I making any sense

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:25:12 UTC No. 16339734

>>16339732
you need the 1 million tonnes to do that

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:25:21 UTC No. 16339735

>>16339729
a few days ago the general was talking about how theres a ton of aluminum on the moon but you can't refine it without carbon.
also sending 100 tons of carbon to make tens of thousands of tons of stainless steel beats sending all that steel.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:26:27 UTC No. 16339736

>>16339735
if you remember they also talked that you could refine it without carbon its just that carbon is cheaper on earth, maybe you forgot

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:27:28 UTC No. 16339737

>>16339736
>>16339735
maybe you can't make carbon alloyed iron (steel), but you could make other alloys

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:27:37 UTC No. 16339738

>>16339730
>pack up boys, computer said "no"

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:28:49 UTC No. 16339740

>>16339727
fire in one of the LOX pumps

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:29:34 UTC No. 16339742

>>16339738
NOOOOO you can't just debunk my valid argument with a witty joke!!!!!!!

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:29:51 UTC No. 16339743

>>16339740

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:30:52 UTC No. 16339744

>>16339743

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:31:07 UTC No. 16339745

It's like some people can't cope with the fact that SpaceX are competent and dominate the launch industry, wild.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:31:31 UTC No. 16339747

>>16339734
I bet what I described would take a tenth of that.
>>16339737
He probably meant aluminum. Aluminum reduction uses carbon anodes. Magnesium (of which there is way more on the moon) is pretty much the same. There are theoretical ways around it but they don't exist yet due to the abundance of accessable carbon on Earth.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:31:40 UTC No. 16339748

>>16339691
Yeah, the regular forbidden oreos are not ablative.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:32:33 UTC No. 16339751

>>16339745
Kek is that recent?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:34:05 UTC No. 16339754

>>16339745
Let me guess, one of those Elon Derangement Subs?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:34:35 UTC No. 16339755

>>16339751
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1eucj52/exastronaut_fears_starliner_crew_may_die_if_they/

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:34:39 UTC No. 16339756

>>16339745
Is this fresh? I'd like to do some fact checking for those dullards.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:34:51 UTC No. 16339757

>>16339754
>>16339751
yup r/enoughmuskspam

Had no idea the delusion and denial of reality was THAT bad, holy shit

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:35:26 UTC No. 16339758

>>16339747
what you described is basically the plan already i.e. gradually get heavy industries started and then go down the manufacturing path to get more and more sophisticated manufacturing, eventually doing absolutely everything and bein self sustainable
what do you think the plan was?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:35:43 UTC No. 16339760

>>16339757
the same poster later said he was going of of the French wiki page which is not up to date.
so he's a frenchie which is even worse

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:37:13 UTC No. 16339765

>>16339760
That's not as bad as the guy getting 76 downvootes just for stating an inconvenient fact (for the people on the hellhole) lol

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:38:30 UTC No. 16339766

>>16339754
How will these people cope when the city is up and running?
>phoneposter
fuck off I'm at work

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:38:52 UTC No. 16339767

>>16339760
I saw that too. not only is he a faggot frog, but he couldn't even skim the whole page before posting lol

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:42:18 UTC No. 16339770

with modern LLMs you'd think wikipedia could consolidate entries, and not have language splits. seems sort of weird. like if you open the ww2 entry in Japanese wikipedia it has a Japan slant, etc. this in effect makes the different language entries for one page more like cultural perspective shifts, when it should just be the language itself.

if that is going to be the case then, at least let us click on 'change cultural perspective' to view the other 'language' versions of a page, but in your preferred language (which you can sort of do by just doing an in page translation)

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:43:43 UTC No. 16339772

>>16339755
The astronaut they're interviewing doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about either. He says Starliner can land autonomously and calls the people concerned with safety the "hand wringers".

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:47:31 UTC No. 16339775

>>16339766
>WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT!?!?!?
Don't underestimate the amount of money, blood, sweat and tears many people are willing to shed in order to get the fuck off this rotating prison.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:49:15 UTC No. 16339777

>>16339715
Me, I'm supposed to be there right now.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:52:22 UTC No. 16339779

>>16339652
thunderf00t proved this guy wrong a million times

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:53:22 UTC No. 16339782

>>16339775
I'm spending essentially ally personal savings to prove some tech I invented so I can get investor funding for something that will work on Earth, but will translate really well to Mars. If I get a billion dollars all of it will be spent on Mars

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:58:12 UTC No. 16339783

>>16339745

> The subreddit is meant for those that are against the infilitration of Elon Musk-related advertisement on Reddit. Coming here to defend Musk or his companies will not get you banned, but it will probably get you downvoted.

This isn't sad.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:59:18 UTC No. 16339784

>>16339779
You're gonna need better bait than this, son.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:03:20 UTC No. 16339786

>>16339745
a concerning number of anons have reddit accounts

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:04:17 UTC No. 16339787

>>16339786
implying you don't browse spacexlounge for news like a large chunk of us

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:04:49 UTC No. 16339788

>>16339784
like what

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:06:15 UTC No. 16339789

>>16339787

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:06:30 UTC No. 16339790

>>16339788
it needs to be very subtle

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:06:40 UTC No. 16339791

>>16339786
that post was linked in spacex master race shortly before it was liked here, which is probably where the new comments and the link here came from
https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXMasterrace/comments/1ezgueu/breaking_news_bob_and_doug_still_stuck_on_the_iss/

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:06:45 UTC No. 16339792

>>16339786
Spacexmasterrace twitter posted the image which is how I found it so there's probably some of them mixed in too

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:07:45 UTC No. 16339793

>>16339788

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:10:38 UTC No. 16339794

>>16339791
>>16339792
thanks I feel better now

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:12:07 UTC No. 16339797

>>16339787
I don't. Kek. What? You guys are on reddit?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:14:04 UTC No. 16339801

>>16339797
in the sfg pastebin we have a list of helpful space subreddits, yea

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:15:32 UTC No. 16339802

>>16339801
there's a pinned comment in the discord too for those who use that

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:16:22 UTC No. 16339803

>>16339786
Hey, I sometimes need advice/help for an obscure topic. I used to be more active there like 5 years ago, but I fell out after my first account was deleted for transphobia.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:16:31 UTC No. 16339804

also check out the sfg gallery on imagefap

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:16:35 UTC No. 16339805

>>16339802
also if you turn around in the Minecraft server spawn area, there are some signs with various links

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:28:21 UTC No. 16339816

From: Boss
To: Whole department
Subject: Donuts and bagels
Importance: Low

Hi,

I brought some donuts and bagels for no reason. Enjoy!

[two paragraphs more about donuts]

[paragraph on history of bagels]

Also tomorrow everone has to [super fucking important thing] before
[deadline], otherwise [shit that will happen to you if you don't].

Boss

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:42:05 UTC No. 16339830

its over

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:44:54 UTC No. 16339834

>>16339754
Entire reddit is like this now lmao

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:46:11 UTC No. 16339835

>>16339787
>reddit trannies
lmao

All the news and discussions by key players are done on X. The secondary comment is /sfg/.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:47:53 UTC No. 16339839

>>16339835
reddit has some fringe EDS news sometimes that might be interesting, but its pretty rare

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:48:24 UTC No. 16339840

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827052527570792873

IT'S OVER

For Boeing

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:48:31 UTC No. 16339841

>>16339805
selling heat shield tiles at spawn

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:49:08 UTC No. 16339842

>>16339839
About 1 gallon of water being spilled in the middle of the swamp being a violation that would destroy SpaceX and put Musk being bars. Right?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:49:41 UTC No. 16339843

https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1827008921799729546

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:50:24 UTC No. 16339844

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:50:42 UTC No. 16339845

>>16339844
>>16339840
LE MAO

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:50:43 UTC No. 16339846

>>16339843
https://mainenginecutoff.com/podcast/284

>>16339840

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:52:30 UTC No. 16339849

>>16339840
HOW DOES THIS GUY WHO SMOKES POT BEAT US

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:52:51 UTC No. 16339850

Is Boeing space program done

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:53:19 UTC No. 16339851

>>16339840
>>16339844
>>16339846
>>16339849
>Interstellar Humiliation Ritual
glad this shit is finally coming to an end, so what are the odds on Shitliner even being detached now

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:53:54 UTC No. 16339853

>>16339850
I'd wonder what the implications are for SLS but I already know there are none.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:54:21 UTC No. 16339854

>>16339851
>so what are the odds on Shitliner even being detached now
I don't see why it not why it wouldn't not it?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:54:40 UTC No. 16339855

>>16339830
What "conduct"? THIS conduct by the Royal Society is itself concerning.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:55:56 UTC No. 16339857

>>16339851
>so what are the odds on Shitliner even being detached now
It has to come off, look at where it is then think about how SpaceX is gonna deorbit ISS in 2029.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:57:17 UTC No. 16339860

you are now remembering the fun times in sfg during the starliner test launch and early deorbit lmao

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:57:22 UTC No. 16339861

>>16339854
Wh- huh??

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:58:11 UTC No. 16339864

>>16339854
as soon as those thrusters turn on, you get dragon test stand 2.0

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:58:23 UTC No. 16339865

>>16339830
what were Elon's tweets about the recent riots in the UK like?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:58:31 UTC No. 16339866

>>16339854
st(r)oke space is hiring

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:58:50 UTC No. 16339869

>>16339864
Jesus fuck, there's no risko f that is there?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:59:00 UTC No. 16339870

>>16339865
literal disinformation
the dude does post some stupid as shit stuff from time to time

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:59:15 UTC No. 16339871

>>16339851
I think they need to return it in any case to free the docking port for other capsules and also to actually test the landing and so on
Maybe they do an extra uncrewed test flight and its bot completely over for Boeing, but that is going to be very expensive and I'm not sure at which point it would be more prodotable to just abandon the contract
That would have other implications of course

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:00:18 UTC No. 16339873

>>16339866
KEK

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:00:53 UTC No. 16339875

>>16339869
i'm sure nasa will have the astronauts cram into the safe haven

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:01:19 UTC No. 16339877

>>16339869
There is, for the exact same reasons

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:01:24 UTC No. 16339878

>>16339870
>27008921799729546
Ah like the time he made that tweet about that US husband being a gay fetishist or something

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:02:00 UTC No. 16339879

>>16339150
>if it's stuck there forever and they just have to leave the iss in orbit
a backpack nuke would take care of that mess

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:02:20 UTC No. 16339880

>>16339870
They really need to cool it with the regulation so Elon is too busy to post

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:02:26 UTC No. 16339881

drink up anons
have some Calypso today

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:07:30 UTC No. 16339888

>>16339860
RCS dance party

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:08:48 UTC No. 16339892

>>16339620
Would anyone here have a quick cost comparison of N2O4/UDMH vs Kerosene/LO2?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:10:51 UTC No. 16339894

>>16339293
>you'd only be trading the US government, which at least nominally has your interests in mind
every white guy on here just said "ooof"

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:10:59 UTC No. 16339895

>>16339840
The absolute state!

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:11:02 UTC No. 16339896

>>16339787
Bruh wft git

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:15:57 UTC No. 16339902

>>16339896
>gay xkcd pic
You can't look down on redditors

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:18:23 UTC No. 16339906

>>16339850

Boeing will try to walk away. The only question is will NASA let them.

Spoiler: Yes.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:20:14 UTC No. 16339908

oh no, the US is down to a single crewed launch vehicle/capsule!

anyways.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:23:56 UTC No. 16339910

>>16339906
It's still in Boeing's interest to complete their contracted launches, they don't get paid until they do.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:24:21 UTC No. 16339912

>>16339487
Yes, it was, prior to Douglas.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:25:15 UTC No. 16339913

>>16339910
Is it? At some point it's just sunk cost

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:29:39 UTC No. 16339918

no word on OFT5 launch date in 3 weeks
>maybe early september
it's gonna be october at the earliest

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:30:14 UTC No. 16339919

Boeing should threaten to blow up Starliner(which is attached to the station) if NASA doesn't pay them in full.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:31:26 UTC No. 16339920

>>16339918
They went full retard chasing reuse so early imo, now after the catch attempt fails they will beg FAA to let them refly Flight 4 flight profile to do in-space Starship relights to not lose time

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:32:38 UTC No. 16339923

>>16339745
boeing has zero experience in that task, yet they were still somehow picked to do the job

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:32:49 UTC No. 16339924

>>16339920
Elon is fully responsible for any failure

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:35:34 UTC No. 16339928

>>16339920
i think their plan is to make the Booster reusable, then chuck a dozen upper stages through reentry, THEN make the upper stage reusable

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:36:57 UTC No. 16339930

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:36:59 UTC No. 16339931

we're still on track for a shorter wait for oft5 from 4 vs 3 to 4 right

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:38:32 UTC No. 16339932

>>16339920
I too am uncertain about assigning a high probability of success to the booster catchment.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:38:46 UTC No. 16339933

>>16339931
not anymore no

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:39:42 UTC No. 16339935

>>16339933
oof

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:39:54 UTC No. 16339936

>>16339932
*catchery

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:39:54 UTC No. 16339937

Challenger
Columbia
Calypso

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:41:49 UTC No. 16339941

>>16339937
CSM-012

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:42:53 UTC No. 16339943

>>16339919

"I'm from Boeing. SIT..down."

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:43:41 UTC No. 16339946

>>16339920
>SpaceX is dumb because they break things
>All of their competitors end up breaking things in similar ways, but way later when it's more expensive to fix
And we're to believe SpaceX are the stupid ones. Ha

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:46:02 UTC No. 16339949

>>16339910

Boeing loses money on every launch. They have no incentive or frankly ability, to complete the contract.

NASA let them walk away from that spaceplanelette program will all their ill gotten gain. They will do it again.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:47:14 UTC No. 16339952

>>16339919
kek

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:52:21 UTC No. 16339963

>>16339679
so many ? in this cutaway, we don’t know shit

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:52:24 UTC No. 16339964

>>16339949
If Boeing leaves Starliner, they will not leave with any gains. The program is over a billion dollars in the hole.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:54:05 UTC No. 16339966

>>16339840
https://x.com/SpaceAbhi/status/1827062941092561287

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:54:48 UTC No. 16339968

>>16339964

It won't lose less money by spending more.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:55:05 UTC No. 16339969

>>16339966

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:59:07 UTC No. 16339974

>>16339930
>Orbital laser weapon system performing precision strikes on the surface in an instant sounds good in theory, but not practical on Earth due to atmosphere and clouds. But it's another story for celestial bodies with no air.
>During the corporal conflict on the surface of moon, a certain corporate abruptly halted the construction of a nuclear powered deep space explorer vessel slated for Mars colonization. Under the pretense of debris removal and laser propulsion, high power laser was installed onto the nuclear powerplant, and transferred to lunar orbit. Actual test fire was performed, and while those on Earth were still skeptical, almost everyone on the moon were scared of it as the strategic weapon that would attack the instant you are considered a hostile. That's because number of incidents had increased where solar panels were broken and pressurized space were breached without any warning.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:59:41 UTC No. 16339975

21 hours to go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGOswKRSsHc

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:05:26 UTC No. 16339981

>>16339919
>"We'll release your little station for a paltry $5 billion!"

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:05:50 UTC No. 16339982

>>16339975

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:13:51 UTC No. 16339990

>>16339982
>confrence
saar

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:16:48 UTC No. 16339992

>>16339990
ah fuck

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:27:24 UTC No. 16340005

Scrubtober 13

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1827079568470995106

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:32:04 UTC No. 16340007

>>16340005
May I see the New Glenn?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:32:47 UTC No. 16340008

>>16340005
Didn't their rockets all blow up?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:34:22 UTC No. 16340011

>>16339969
>here's how Boeing could ask for more money
Is this strategic by Boeing or are they really that bad

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:34:26 UTC No. 16340012

>>16340005
how much of a window does escapade have

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:35:37 UTC No. 16340014

>>16340008
flight 2 and 3 upper stages did

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:37:14 UTC No. 16340018

>>16340012
Berger says until end of october. Someone asked him if New Glenn was powerful enough to get the escapade probes to Mars outside of this window (i.e. December and beyond) and he said no, it isn’t possible. It either launches by October or it’s a wash

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:40:32 UTC No. 16340020

>>16340007
I wouldn’t be surprised if they just randomly tweet the fully assembled rocket for the first launch by the end of september or something. Their PR department is pretty much nonexistent besides a social media intern with a tight leash and an uninspiring dyke commentator for new shepard launches

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:46:55 UTC No. 16340033

>>16340020
Bizarre, it wouldn't cost them anything to get their name out there a little, are they embarrassed or just shy? C'mon lil guy show the class your heavy lift rocket, we all wanna see.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:47:42 UTC No. 16340035

>>16340018
follow up, could you stick it on FH and still get it to mars after oct

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:50:14 UTC No. 16340039

>>16340008
SpaceX experienced early pains of scaling up years ago when things were cheap.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:51:31 UTC No. 16340041

>>16340018
*November
I forgot the order of the months whoopsies

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:00:46 UTC No. 16340054

>>16340020
how much you want to bet NSF catches it rolling out to the pad, no announcement or anything, and then blue tweets about it 3 hours later

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:02:12 UTC No. 16340055

>>16340014
im sure that wont make them second guess the first one

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:03:03 UTC No. 16340057

>>16340054
Very high probability

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:03:39 UTC No. 16340058

>>16339772
>He says Starliner can land autonomously
It can. It just can't undock autonomously without new (old) software.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:06:38 UTC No. 16340060

Imagine getting a fat marg at the starbase mars bar right now

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:07:17 UTC No. 16340062

>>16340060
If I wanted a fat marge I would go home and see my wife!

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:08:28 UTC No. 16340064

Boeing should update their software.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:09:39 UTC No. 16340066

>>16339438
Apparently they've spent over a billion so far on adding a monitor arm to an iPad and they're calling it a robot.
>>16339865
>hey maybe we shouldn't be arresting 50k people for posting words on the internet and letting rapists get away scot free
>>16340005
That thing's gonna blow up.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:10:11 UTC No. 16340070

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1827090575876878639

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:11:13 UTC No. 16340075

>>16340070

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:12:17 UTC No. 16340076

>>16340075

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:12:43 UTC No. 16340078

>>16340070
Jared made ze call. They deleted it.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:13:21 UTC No. 16340080

>>16340076

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:14:25 UTC No. 16340083

>>16340080

>>16340078
yeah I wonder why, it was up for like 1 min or something

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:15:26 UTC No. 16340085

https://x.com/Gillis_SarahE/status/1827006393955586157

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:17:12 UTC No. 16340087

>>16340080
bros how do I acquire a space gf

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:17:28 UTC No. 16340088

>>16340005
rookie mistake, doesn't blorgin understand that only the paranoid survive in this industry?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:18:29 UTC No. 16340090

>>16340087
get a GF and then go to space with her.
you do know how to get a GF, right anon?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:20:15 UTC No. 16340092

>>16340090
yeah you finetune a model on your preferences

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:20:22 UTC No. 16340093

>>16340080
what a cutie

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:31:04 UTC No. 16340102

>>16340090
I assume there's like a magazine or something?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:36:30 UTC No. 16340105

>>16338191
lmao, people there are living in an alternate reality
>>16340064
that'll be 100 million plus tip

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:37:25 UTC No. 16340107

>>16340070
i already know the crew

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 21:43:01 UTC No. 16340111

>>16339726
There's definitely enough carbon on the moon to industrialize. Every time we look a little harder, we find more carbon there.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 22:30:28 UTC No. 16340163

>>16339217
>there are only two entities that will be able to facilitate space colonisation in the next hundred or two years - the American and Chinese governments.
Really? Why is everyone else so far behind a single private company then?

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 22:37:12 UTC No. 16340173

>>16340163
Use the correct image next time

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 22:49:03 UTC No. 16340187

>>16339846
>a space witch rides on a dragon
such an odd year

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:00:01 UTC No. 16340195

how do you have issues with material incompatibility and software in 20 fucking 24
Like literally everything is digitally controlled now, and so are the sensors, EVERYTHING can be FULLY SIMULATED

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:05:49 UTC No. 16340205

>>16340195
everything can't be simulated, that is why you need hardware rich testing
but old space is too retarded to understand the latter part

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:11:57 UTC No. 16340214

>>16340195
Outsourcing to jeets, boomers retiring and/or being selfish so they don’t train the generation under them

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:13:53 UTC No. 16340216

>>16340205
the software can be 100% simulated, every single possible input can be simulated

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:14:15 UTC No. 16340217

>>16340205
Even most Newspace got it wrong, notably Astra. Blow Shit Up Regularly is the only way to maek rogget.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:14:54 UTC No. 16340219

>>16340214
yea boomers pay rate is a decade behind, complain noone wants to work, then sell the company to an immigrant

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:15:08 UTC No. 16340220

>>16340216
Can’t be simulated on the ground

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:16:43 UTC No. 16340223

>>16340216
maybe software can, but the problem especially with software is that you basically never get completely bug free code
and to actually troubleshoot quickly you should do integrated testing to see where the problems are
its not only about making it work, its about making it work as quickly, cheaply and well as possible
iteration speed is what matters

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:30:11 UTC No. 16340232

RFA:
>We are quite confident that this is not related to the design
LMAO how? How do you light your turbopump on fire without a design failure?
I think they did that shit on purpose. They were forced by their owners to push for an unrealistic launch date.
They realized it was gonna be a shitshow unsuccessful flight then and destroyed the vehicle to get more time and roll the improvements they want into the second one

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:31:24 UTC No. 16340235

>>16339547
>>16339544
Jarring to see the shuttle mentioned alongside meme-tech

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:37:41 UTC No. 16340239

>>16339865
>two tier keir

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:39:02 UTC No. 16340241

>>16340195
>EVERYTHING can be FULLY SIMULATED
The simulation delusion is rapidly reaching its natural end

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:43:50 UTC No. 16340243

>>16340235
Memetech used to be designed to fit in Shuttle payload bays as it was the cheapest and most frequent launcher. Pic related for an example. Then Challenger happened.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:52:25 UTC No. 16340247

>>16340232
lel exactly.
>Oxygen ignited within our turbopump, but trust us it’s not a “design issue”. It just happened

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:52:35 UTC No. 16340248

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827052527570792873

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:53:51 UTC No. 16340250

>>16340239
no actually he posted
>teir keir
multiple times because he's a retarded hyperautist that can't handle seeing ie ei close to each other

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:54:21 UTC No. 16340251

>>16340232
The oxygen turbopump's accumulated enough time on the test stand or as a part of an integrated stage for them to be confident it's not an inherent flaw in the design. It could have been damaged on the trip from Augsburg to SaxaVord. Something else upstream from the engine could have been damaged and then the pump could have exploded when it ingested some debris. That's actually a fairly common cause of LRE explosions.

I'm just happy that they're being open enough to show us all of this explosion footage. ABL's blown up two RS1s and the best images we've seen of that has been some civilian satellite photos of a scorch mark that Harry Stranger posted on Twitter.

Anonymous at Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:54:28 UTC No. 16340252

>>16340250
He’s just like me!

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:07:19 UTC No. 16340262

all these tunnel and bunker networks in ukraine and the middle east make me wonder about the inevitable underground mars colony. the militaries have some nice digs, so i imagine the mars colony will be nicer and more expansive than we've been thinking.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:17:27 UTC No. 16340269

https://x.com/BigTechAlert/status/1826745424759202278

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:19:05 UTC No. 16340271

>>16340269
Took long enough

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:21:15 UTC No. 16340272

>>16340262
>inevitable underground mars colony
Not inevitable. Actually they likely wouldn't be underground. Digging is expensive, time consuming, and difficult, and radiation on Mars is not bad enough to justify it

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:26:34 UTC No. 16340283

>>16340272
face it, matress mars will never happen

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:39:18 UTC No. 16340292

>>16340272
They will be living underground and you know it. It’s simple so any monkey can understand it. It’s easy to do given the low gravity, lack of notable ground water and minimum tectonic activity. It’s a cheap and easy way to expand living space without having to import in capsules and material from earth. It protects from radiation, meteors and potential weather events which surface habitats may have to deal with.

And best of all these colonists will have fuck all to do for most of their time so they might as well start digging and make a new bedroom for themselves or carve out a new hydroponics room while the launch window for Mars is closed for 2 years.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:40:00 UTC No. 16340293

>>16340283
It is the cheapest and easiest way to do it which means that's what'll happen. It's not up to me, I'm sorry, that's just how it is.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:44:37 UTC No. 16340296

>>16340292
One Starship's worth of ETFE plus some locally produced steel cables gets you something like 50 acres of pressurized volume. Digging just doesn't compare. They're going to need to rapidly spread out a factory and it'll need to be full of stuff already used on Earth to lower development cost. It's the obvious answer. The cost of digging is too high and the benefits non-existent

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:45:55 UTC No. 16340297

>>16340296
the real answer is they will do both and also other things, to varying degrees.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:46:42 UTC No. 16340299

>>16340085
Imagine a short circuit on your eye.
Are they trying to figure out space blindness with this?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:51:24 UTC No. 16340301

>>16340299
It's gotta be powered by induction so really tiny tiny amount of energy which during operation is all already being converted to heat.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 01:11:29 UTC No. 16340315

starliner will stay attached to the ISS for a year
it'll prove out the value of temporary modules, paving the way for a whole new industry

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 01:14:10 UTC No. 16340316

>>16340299
It’s not that dangerous lol

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 01:50:52 UTC No. 16340337

>Texas has 119 military license plate options and none of them are Space Force
oof

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 02:47:44 UTC No. 16340361

>>16340297
Yeah just like how on Earth some factories sprawl out, some are built underground, and some are contained in skyscrapers. Nope. They'll do it the best way

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:05:25 UTC No. 16340372

Cygnus reboosting the Station

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:07:16 UTC No. 16340373

>>16340372
thank you cygnus

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:12:27 UTC No. 16340374

>>16340372
Mr. Dominick your power level is too high; your photographs too kino

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:15:21 UTC No. 16340377

>>16340361
much like how on earth factories, mines, apartment complexes, and submarine bunkers are all constructed identically, so too will they be on mars.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:18:29 UTC No. 16340378

>>16340372
Those new cameras they got on the latest shipment are a big step up

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:21:45 UTC No. 16340380

>>16340262
>>16340272
The surface will be open pit mines, space infrastructure, solar farms, and glass-and-steel ag-habs in the style of Biosphere 2 (not domes, more weight pressing down on the air). Cities will be dug in to canyon/crater walls or formed from sealed lava tubes.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:33:25 UTC No. 16340386

>looking at summary of Polaris Dawn operations
>some steps involves 100% oxygen atmosphere

uh oh

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:35:26 UTC No. 16340387

>>16340386
apollo was also 100% ox, it was only not at launch.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:37:51 UTC No. 16340388

apparently the carrier's antenna that was installed may not just be for starlink, but also oneweb and other communication satellites. i guess its a hybrid antenna, and its made by a third party, kymeta. it's also confirmed to not be used for classified and certain tactical data. japan's navy is also adopting starlink.
https://www.twz.com/sea/starlink-now-being-deployed-on-u-s-navy-warships

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:40:02 UTC No. 16340391

>>16340388
the Kymeta is for one web, the boats also have normal marine starlink dishes. also they are using it for sensitive data, with normal military open-web-communicating-encrypted systems

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 03:44:30 UTC No. 16340393

>>16340386
just don't catch fire?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 04:21:02 UTC No. 16340412

>>16340393
tell that to Rocket Fuggin Asploded's turbopumps

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 04:26:34 UTC No. 16340417

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGOswKRSsHc
T-12:00
Hold onto your butts

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 04:55:27 UTC No. 16340432

Is there any feasible way to launch into a low Earth orbit from the surface that is safer than rocket engines? Or is riding a massive perpetual explosion the only real way to get into space?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 04:58:19 UTC No. 16340435

>>16340417
whatcha all going to be eating for this monumental boing fail conf guys?
for me, some hummus and good bread

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 04:58:20 UTC No. 16340436

>>16340432
All the other ways thus far involve strapping yourself to a running nuclear reactor, smacking yourself with atom bombs, or having several terawatts of laser power pouring into your spacecraft from a ground station.

Chemical IS the safe version.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 05:09:19 UTC No. 16340446

>>16340436
Can rockets ever achieve airline level of safety though? Or is it always gonna be an inevitable 1:100 will just explode kind of odds?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 05:55:56 UTC No. 16340470

>>16340446
>Can rockets ever achieve airline level of safety though

Yes, we are currently at the equivalent of planes in the 1930s. There is so, so much development left to do.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 06:46:16 UTC No. 16340486

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1827175884199010385
>Wow! A nearly full leeward side view of Starship 33 visible for the first time tonight while being lifted with the engine aft section. The first next generation design Block 2 Starship.
>8/23/24

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 06:50:14 UTC No. 16340489

>>16340486
The new fin design does not fill me with joy
But I suppose I will have to learn to live with it

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:02:49 UTC No. 16340499

https://x.com/TheCSSSkeptic/status/1827091755755565147

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:05:50 UTC No. 16340500

>>16340486
I get that they’re designing Starship for Starlink and human moon landings first, but the payload bay door situation for large payloads is looking like it’s going to be an issue

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:07:32 UTC No. 16340502

>>16340446
starship is starting to make major failure points irrelevant or survivable
>loss of tiles during reentry is survivable, further margin gained when the upcoming ablative layer underneath is demonstrated
>large thrust/fuel margins mean that a single engine failure doesn't necessarily result in loss of mission
>improved sensors can shut off an engine that might RUD before it does so

if you actually go through and look at a list of flights that had mechanical or structural failures, a lot are simply down to the aluminium fatiguing. Use stainless steel instead and you avoid a lot of that

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:10:26 UTC No. 16340505

>>16340499
does NASA not discipline employees for online behavior? The day this fag comes crying that “SpaceX stans” got him fired for mass reporting to HR will be the day I can finally rest
Or hopefully he solely works on SLS and once that gets cancelled inshallah he loses his job

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:28:02 UTC No. 16340517

>>16340486
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1827174358101459414

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:28:40 UTC No. 16340518

>>16340243
When will we get started with orbital assembly (inb4 ISS; I mean real shit like welding).

Screencap this: the next Polaris mission will involve pushing the boundary of in space manufacturing and assembly.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:29:16 UTC No. 16340519

Casey this is your jumped the shark moment

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:29:19 UTC No. 16340520

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1827188281454243987

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:31:35 UTC No. 16340521

>>16340486
>no radiator panels
>no access handles
>limited communications options
>no crew emergency escape options
>tiles
we've got a long way to go until we have mature starships

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:34:13 UTC No. 16340522

>>16340520
>private spacex rocket
Do they make public ones??

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:39:45 UTC No. 16340525

>>16340520
None of this is real, all of this is ai generated, including this entire general!

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:39:56 UTC No. 16340527

>>16340499
>I work in the industry on human spaceflight

Erm, on what vehicle saar? How does this clown still have his job? People get fired for the most retardedly inane social media shit all the time, I know one dude who got fired for wearing his work shirt while having drinks at the pub after work, meanwhile this NASA employee has been running his mouth for years. Has anyone figured out what he actually does?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:43:00 UTC No. 16340528

>>16340527
It's a fucking miracle this world of ours works at all

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:43:18 UTC No. 16340530

>>16340520
Marxists are hilarious

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:45:50 UTC No. 16340531

>>16340527
spaceguy5 works at Marshall, SLS is Marshall's baby, it doesn't take a genius to get why he is so hostile to SpaceX

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:49:00 UTC No. 16340532

>>16340531
Not just hostility to SpaceX but everything Musk

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:03:55 UTC No. 16340542

>>16340531
>"works" on SLS
>I work on human spaceflight

Maximum ultimate jej, this fag is probably some low level beauracrat faggot who does literally nothing. He certainly types like it.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:09:47 UTC No. 16340548

>>16340517

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:44:21 UTC No. 16340566

>>16340519
Actually this is pretty well worked out. A cloud of iron oxide rods will absorb sunlight very well and emit it as infrared

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:44:48 UTC No. 16340567

>>16340489
the new flap looks way better, what are you talking about

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:45:40 UTC No. 16340569

>>16340567
Agree, new design sexo

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:46:50 UTC No. 16340572

>>16340567
Yeah the old flap only appeals to autists and the mentally retarded
Picrel: version 1 flap fan

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:48:01 UTC No. 16340573

>>16340567
Yeah the old one had opening that sort of creates a flow of heat that was a weak point. New one seems to have closed it and looks nice

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:49:23 UTC No. 16340574

>>16340572
lmao

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:51:20 UTC No. 16340576

>>16340567
i don't have a strong opinion either way, though newer flaps are thinner and slightly smaller and don't have an extra bump infront of the flap which has kind of minimalistic aesthetic

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:08:33 UTC No. 16340582

https://x.com/PolarisProgram/status/1827183700460683351

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:09:34 UTC No. 16340584

>>16340582
https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1827206958752858343

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:10:35 UTC No. 16340585

>>16340584

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:11:37 UTC No. 16340586

>>16340585

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:13:22 UTC No. 16340587

>>16340586

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:14:36 UTC No. 16340588

>>16340587

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:23:23 UTC No. 16340591

does anyone know where I could get leaked audio from secretly recorded meetings in corporations? Kinda like that ULA leak we had. I want to know what the corporate world is like.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:27:04 UTC No. 16340595

>>16340591
it's pretty boring

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:44:54 UTC No. 16340602

>>16340337
>local VFW has flags for every branch of the service donated by people who served
>except the Space Force, who's flag was donated by the cub scouts.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:51:16 UTC No. 16340604

>>16340591
Just make like a cyberpunk hackerman and crawl into a ventilation duct. Just keep moving forward, eventually you'll find the right place.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:52:38 UTC No. 16340607

>>16340591
Endless meetings about when to schedule the next meeting about scheduling meetings. Sometimes, some fool actually tries to talk shop at meetings and suggests that some work get done. Everybody else in the meeting dog piles them to explain why that will never work.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:54:20 UTC No. 16340609

>>16340591
Don't know of any corporate ones but there's the Hitler/Mannerheim conversation.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:08:25 UTC No. 16340614

>>16340607
how does the world keep turning?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:12:56 UTC No. 16340619

>>16340269
>NASA gave them permission to use the N for their acronym
NASA handing out N passes

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:14:06 UTC No. 16340621

>>16340614
Inertia, workers keep doing what they do even though the management/office class is useless. But also, a lot of shit doesn't work anymore. Institutions are deteriorating. Boeing's inability to get shit done on time let alone properly is just one of many examples of this.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:15:11 UTC No. 16340622

>>16340619
The use of the term NASA is controlled by federal law, you're allowed to use it if you're not impersonating NASA. NSF isn't impersonating NASA, so NASA lawyers are going to say it's fine.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:16:56 UTC No. 16340623

>>16340502
you now remember IFT-1 surviving at least 10 different failure modes that would have destroyed any other rocket almost instantly, and then doing supersonic backflips at the same time as the FTS explosives failing to even terminate the flight

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:17:39 UTC No. 16340624

>>16340614
office jobs provide no real value to the economy
https://youtu.be/wM6exo00T5I?si=wHntZfWFpHdwBz7B&t=141

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:18:08 UTC No. 16340626

>>16340622
what if i accidently impersonated nasa and collected millions on patreon as a result? let me be clear: i was not impersonating nasa, but a bunch of sub-retard iq goofballs thought i was nasa and gave me money because le funni meme?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:19:15 UTC No. 16340627

>>16340567
pettanko flaps

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:19:18 UTC No. 16340628

>>16340622
considering so many people are misled by NASAspaceflight thinking it's some official outlet I think a lawsuit is justified. I mean they know what they're doing.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:20:13 UTC No. 16340630

>>16340614
old decrepit institutions get disrupted by new startups which don't yet have the same bureucratic bloat and get stuff done

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:20:22 UTC No. 16340631

>>16340626
If somebody in a position of power starts to make a stink about what you've done then maybe NASA lawyers will start scheduling meetings about when to have a meeting to discuss how to form a decision making process to make a decision about when to have a meeting to discuss what you have done >>16340607

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:23:24 UTC No. 16340633

>>16340502
Is it feasible to parachute out of a Starship as it falls to Earth? Or should you just ride it all the way and hope for the best?

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:25:25 UTC No. 16340634

>>16340633
Nothing is yet known about what crew compartments for Starship might ever look like.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:26:03 UTC No. 16340635

>>16340633
hard to say without conducting a feasibility study and running some simulations

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:31:53 UTC No. 16340638

>>16340631
i need to get a new job

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:37:11 UTC No. 16340639

>>16340380
>glass-and-steel ag-habs in the style of Biosphere 2
You'll have as many points of failure as you have seals, so millions or so
>space infrastructure
Is JPL going to make it for you for the low price of a trillion dollars? You need a big plastic bubble so you can lay out existing Earth machines run by humans not in spacesuits
>open pit mines
I'm not even sure about that. If it's easier to bubble it off to make an easier working environment then they'll do that. We don't have full automation in that area yet

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:39:39 UTC No. 16340641

>>16340639
A lot of currently extant agricultural equipment on Earth has a high degree of autonomy. Putting a human on the tractor really isn't necessary.

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:42:52 UTC No. 16340643

>>16340633
Your MOOSE module will be stored under your seat. Simply don your provided helmet, and loop the MOOSE unit over your shoulders. The pilot will activate the explosive bolts that will detach the side panels and launch you and everyone else into the exosphere

Anonymous at Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:44:02 UTC No. 16340644