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🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General

Anonymous No. 16341170

Boeing Aint Going Edition

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Anonymous No. 16341176

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGOswKRSsHc
>NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test Status News Conference

10 minutes

Anonymous No. 16341177

boing

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boinginginging

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16341186

fuck you faggot for staging at page 9

Anonymous No. 16341187

Prediction: NASA will cuck out, boing lives to graft another day

Anonymous No. 16341190

reading news stories & comments from 2019 after the crew dragon explosion is hilarious now. everyone saying how Boeing will save the day, spacex is the 2nd choice, etc.

Anonymous No. 16341192

>>16341186
it's on page 10 silly. I think the making of this thread pushed it over, lol

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Anonymous No. 16341193

>>16341186
Refresh the previous bread I pushed a bunch of threads out of the way so when I made my /sfg/ it went immediatly to page 10. I even included screenshot of page 10 in stage like I usually do as proof. Here it is again.

Anonymous No. 16341196

4 BINGS

Anonymous No. 16341197

if (you) were the NASA administrator which decision would you make and why?

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>>16341193
>I pushed a bunch of threads out of the way so when I made my /sfg/ it went immediatly to page 10
based. best way to fuck with the page 9 stage complainers.

Anonymous No. 16341201

>>16341193
alright then you are correct, looks like I'm the faggot after all.

Anonymous No. 16341202

>>16341186
learn to read fag

Anonymous No. 16341203

>>16341197
Defund SLS entirely and reroute the funds into the development of Starship. Probably try and fund a few other newspace startups as well.

Anonymous No. 16341207

>>16341197
bring the astronauts back on starliner and have them executed upon landing if they survive. send the message that human lives will not stand in the way of us giving money to boeing.

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Anonymous No. 16341208

>>16341170

Anonymous No. 16341209

>>16341197
just do a 7-seat dragon for crew 9. ez

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Anonymous No. 16341210

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827389520553140330

Anonymous No. 16341212

MUSIC

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>>16341210
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827389754897318397

Anonymous No. 16341214

>>16341200
I do it because it guarantees I get page 10 right of way plus first thread so all others are invalid. I did this from like November all the way until April/May when I had to tardwrangle /sfg/ OP status away from you all since it was so horrible after IFT-2. It went pretty well then I left you alone for the summer and you already know whats happened with that. Im back here to make sure /sfg/ goes smoothly.

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Anonymous No. 16341215

>>16341176
And we are now live

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>>16341162
anon wake up the stream is starting!

Anonymous No. 16341218

pretty jamming music desu

Anonymous No. 16341220

We are (not) going

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>>16341218
Sounds like something from No Man's Sky

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Anonymous No. 16341224

>>16341208
haha brap

Anonymous No. 16341225

it's nice that spacex improved the industry's music tastes somewhat

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Anonymous No. 16341227

I am ready for more shartliner humiliation

Anonymous No. 16341228

>>16341214
I used to do that for a while too, usually its not so bad that you need to explicitly try to stage it like that but I guess the interest in spaceflight is ramping up slightly

Anonymous No. 16341230

>>16341225
do you think this waiting music is also everyday estronaut?

also kind of embarrassing that spacex is doing a better job of getting young people interested in space without even really trying while NASA struggles because they're not doing anything actually interesting.

Anonymous No. 16341232

>>16341227
I am ready for 50min of bureaucrat-speak and question dodging

Anonymous No. 16341233

>>16341218
Tim Dodd in shambles

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Anonymous No. 16341234

>>16341170
Boing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGOswKRSsHc

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Anonymous No. 16341235

can't wait for the glorious yellow color for this mission

Anonymous No. 16341236

damn this music is pretty good
lofi

Anonymous No. 16341237

>>16341235
Why do you track wikipedia like this you spastic

Anonymous No. 16341238

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSdOK01QIU

Anonymous No. 16341240

>>16341230
Seriously Elon for all his autism seems to have the cool factor zoomers flock to. I think it also helps that oldspace is the epitome of what young people hate about boomers, underhanded tactics, regulatory bribery and other shenanigans, and the military industrial complex in general.

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>>16341238
Not spaceflight fuck off

Anonymous No. 16341250

BOEING is not GOEING to start this press conference

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Anonymous No. 16341252

>>16341240
as a zoomer i can somewhat attest to this, turns out people who have no interest in spaceflight are far more likely to gain it when they see a car launched into space than when they see some black woman talk about inclusivity and how their cubesat will help prevent bangladeshi's from drowning.
what's going to attract more attention, some boomer or cringeworthy failed teacher doing a "science outreach program" where they talk down to you like you're retarded, or some company posting nice drone footage of the largest rocket ever constructed?

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Anonymous No. 16341254

Humiliation Ritual is LIVE.

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AHHHHH ITS STARTING

Anonymous No. 16341256

Here we go

Anonymous No. 16341257

Even the conference is delayed

Anonymous No. 16341258

WE ARE LIVE GET IN HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGOswKRSsHc

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Anonymous No. 16341260

SHUT UP OLD FUCK BRING BACK THE MUSIC

Anonymous No. 16341261

RETURING WITH CREW (

Anonymous No. 16341262

damn that intro music was surprisingly good, kudos to the intern that put that in there.

Anonymous No. 16341263

>CREW 9 NEXT FEB

Anonymous No. 16341264

Elon daddy confirmed

Anonymous No. 16341267

>>16341259
Oh shit everyone is here

Anonymous No. 16341268

AHAHAHAHA ITS BEEN DONE RIP THE BANDAID OFF IMMEDIATLY ITS CREW 9 ON THE LINE

Anonymous No. 16341269

>Butch and Suni will return on Crew-9
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Fuck Boing.

Anonymous No. 16341271

GET FUCKED SHITLINER

Anonymous No. 16341272

it happened: crew coming back on crew9 February lmao

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Anonymous No. 16341273

STARLINER WILL RETURN UNCREWED
ITS OVER

Anonymous No. 16341276

the absolute state of boeing

Anonymous No. 16341277

>>16341273
inb4 it slams into the station after a saarware error

Anonymous No. 16341278

>bill nelson just says it right up front
thx ballast bill
boeing rekt.

Anonymous No. 16341279

IT’S OVER IT’S OVER IT’S OVERRRRR

Anonymous No. 16341280

>SAAAR NO DO NOT REDEEM THE DRAGON OPTION SAAR!

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LMAOOOOO

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>shuttles mentioned

Anonymous No. 16341285

thank you Bill, VERY based

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Anonymous No. 16341287

One down, one to go...

Anonymous No. 16341288

my biggest question is will the starliner return before they return on crew 9

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Anonymous No. 16341290

can't wait for the hilarious xitter seethe this will bring with the EDS crowd who were defending a giant MIC megacorpo to spite spacex.

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Anonymous No. 16341292

kwabliner

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Anonymous No. 16341293

>the uncertainty in our margins is why we have done this decision

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>>16341287
cringe, you make hating SLS look bad.

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>>16341287
based

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Anonymous No. 16341297

Administrator Nelson is a bitch ass motherfucker. he pissed on my fucking wife.

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Anonymous No. 16341298

>>16341294
>there could be BOEING vehicles here

Anonymous No. 16341299

>TSLAQ on suicide watch rushing to short Boeing.

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saarliner

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>ALL ORGANIZATIONS THOUGHT IT WAS BEST IN PROCEEDING WITH UNCREWED

Anonymous No. 16341302

I wonder how many more billions boeing will lose

Anonymous No. 16341304

Star liner will flip upside down during reentry and confidence will be even more shaken for Boeing

Anonymous No. 16341305

launching crew is launching crew. You cant say its only a half (because they don't come down)

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>>16341305
Starliner is one way trip bus

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this nigga gonna cry

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Anonymous No. 16341315

SOON: the rightful contractor

Anonymous No. 16341316

so station won't have capability to return all crew on board between September and February?

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Anonymous No. 16341317

OH NONONONNONNONONO

Anonymous No. 16341319

>crew 8 vehicle will serve as life raft for butch and suni
>starliner deorbit before crew 8

Anonymous No. 16341320

BALLAST mentioned

Anonymous No. 16341321

At this point I'm expecting for SLS to blow up during the next launch.

Anonymous No. 16341322

>>16341316
no, Crew 9 will arrive within a day or two of Starliner's departure

Anonymous No. 16341324

>>16341315
Never ever gonna fly crew and you know it.

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>>16341320
I will lose my mind if they use a metal mass simulator.

Anonymous No. 16341327

DO NOT REDEEM, DO NOT REDEEM!!!!!!

Anonymous No. 16341328

>>16341320
when i heard them say ballast all of my neurons activated.

what the fuck has this place done to me?

Anonymous No. 16341329

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827397429282611456
>NASA is saying "early September" for the uncrewed undocking of Starliner from the ISS. The tentative date I've heard is September 6.

Anonymous No. 16341331

Bring me the finest EDS seething and coping from the usual suspects
I HUNGER

Anonymous No. 16341332

Did they even thank SpaceX or show some gratitude

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Anonymous No. 16341335

well i'll be damned.

Anonymous No. 16341337

this spaceflight rah-rah stuff is falling flat, it's a shitty capsule.

>ROBUST VEHICLE
no

Anonymous No. 16341338

>>16341332
Why? SpaceX is getting paid for it anyways.

Anonymous No. 16341339

>SPACE IS HARD

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Anonymous No. 16341340

>SPACEFLIGHT IS HARD
!!!!!

Anonymous No. 16341343

https://x.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1827397759806402927
>Dana Weigel: Crew-9 launch is NET Sept. 24. Will have normal handover. Then move Crew-9 Dragon in order to open up the forward port for SpaceX-31 Cargo Dragon in mid-Oct. Butch and Suni will have 8 month mission.

Anonymous No. 16341344

>>16341332
can you imagine if NASA made boeing publically humiliate themselves by forcing them to write a public thank you note to spacex?

i feel like that would be a much better motivator for them to not fuck up like this again than any monetary incentive.

Anonymous No. 16341346

"exceptionally well"

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Anonymous No. 16341347

SPACEFLIGHT IS HARD
WE ALL KNOW THIS
SAARLINER IS A ROBUST VEHICLE; ITS EXCEPTIONAL

Anonymous No. 16341348

>Starliner has performed exceptionally well, don’t forget that
>Just ignore that it’s a death trap, goy
lol

Anonymous No. 16341349

>>16341343
Imagine thinking it's a short trip and then you end up stuck for more than half a year.

Anonymous No. 16341350

guys please understand it's hard to do the needful in space.

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Anonymous No. 16341351

>>16341190
>that poor crew
Kek.

Anonymous No. 16341352

BUILT ON TRUST

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>>16341203
>money = improvement

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Anonymous No. 16341355

>Boeing: Trust Me bro
>NASA: nah nigga
>how will you fix this?

Anonymous No. 16341358

>purely technical factors

Anonymous No. 16341359

>y-you broke boeing's trust by not letting your astronauts fly home on their deathtrap, how will you rebuild it?
what the fuck kind of question is this?

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>>16341324
Not to ISS maybe

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>>16341170
SELL SELL SELL
BOEING ON SUICIDE WATCH

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Anonymous No. 16341363

How should I destroy this relic of wasting 5+ years of my life supporting this dogshit capsule on the LV side?

Anonymous No. 16341364

The absolute fucking STATE of boeing

Anonymous No. 16341365

How likely it's a fundamental design issue and they will have to redesign the whole thing? I hope so, the more money boeing loses the better

Anonymous No. 16341366

The fact that they held it on a Saturday should've been a dead giveaway for non-retards.

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>>16341359
other way round. boeing broke your trust by telling you to trust an unsafe vehicle, how will you get back to trusting them.

Anonymous No. 16341368

>it's not a problem of trust, we just looked at the data and decided we don't trust boeing

Anonymous No. 16341369

>we disagree on the risk level
>they did a GREAT JOB building a model... but was that model good enough
jfc eviscerating

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>>16341344
>Boeing uses AI to write it
>Elon calls them out on it

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>>16341349
It's inconvenient but as a NASA astronaut you literally have nowhere else to go but the ISS

Anonymous No. 16341373

the fact that Boeing left the decision up to nasa means that they were in a sense willing to fly crew back themselves.

Anonymous No. 16341375

nelson is so based holy shit

Anonymous No. 16341376

>ericberger for ars technica
it's our boy!

Anonymous No. 16341377

Berger should be allowed 10 questions.

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Borgar

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>>16341290
>can't wait for the hilarious xitter
troon moment

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Anonymous No. 16341381

>the white sands testing did give us a surprise

Anonymous No. 16341382

I wish I'd have bothered with setting up an options trading account. leveraged boeing short a few days ago was guaranteed and easy money

Anonymous No. 16341383

>piece of teflon
>poppet
almost another challenger

Anonymous No. 16341384

>Implying there'll be a Starliner-1

Anonymous No. 16341385

>>16341381
white sands nasa anon here. yep

Anonymous No. 16341386

>teflon poppet
$3 part. maybe less

Anonymous No. 16341387

this just in: boeing lost trust with it's marriage to NASA, is now in the doghouse

Anonymous No. 16341388

>>16341381
And how the fuck did boeing miss that surprise, only explanation is that they didn't test it

Anonymous No. 16341390

how did they not figure out this doghouse behavior on the first two flights?

Anonymous No. 16341391

>>16341388
yes, seems like they skipped a bunch of testing

Anonymous No. 16341394

>unanimous... among nasa folks
oOF

Anonymous No. 16341395

fucking AP bastard

Anonymous No. 16341396

>polling was unanimous amongst nasa

Anonymous No. 16341397

>>16341375
no he's just rather flexible for an old politician, he noticed the changing winds and stopped being part of the oldspace gang because he realized it was a losing proposition long-term.
he used to be an extreme SLS hardliner just like many others.

Anonymous No. 16341398

>>16341299
What does tesla have to do with Boeing?

Anonymous No. 16341399

This is what happens when you give old space fixed price contract, they will start cutting corners to save money.

Anonymous No. 16341400

>>16341380
trannies on xitter will be seething about spacex's victory here, correct.

Anonymous No. 16341401

>>16341385
What was the surprise I think i missed that

Anonymous No. 16341402

>haven't lost anything except time, money, and face

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Anonymous No. 16341404

is this real? will they fly without the russian person?

Anonymous No. 16341406

>>16341398
It's a joke, son. The usual suspects have however been cheering on boing.

Anonymous No. 16341409

>>16341388
>saar, we did many simulations, testing is expensive

Anonymous No. 16341410

WHAT ARE THEY WHISPERING ABOUT

Anonymous No. 16341411

>it's nobody's fault
so entirely refusing to do intergrated testing of the doghouse pre-crew flight was not a decision made by boeing?

Anonymous No. 16341412

>100% confident starliner will launch crew again

Anonymous No. 16341414

My question is is how much of this is Aerojet's shitty cost cutting manufacturing and how much of this is Boeing's shitty cost cutting and integration? I'm inclined to lean more on Aerojet given the issue but Boeing current record speaks for itself.
Also,
>Shitty AP jurno tries to make drama
Absolutely predictable.

Anonymous No. 16341415

>100%
...they're so dead

Anonymous No. 16341416

You WILL fly on Starliner.

Anonymous No. 16341417

>>16341365
At that point give up, by the time boing fixes it in 2029 or so the ISS will be on the way out

Anonymous No. 16341418

>100%
There's no way Boeing will fix Starliner before they deorbit the ISS in 2030, that's five years more or less

Anonymous No. 16341419

translation: we are too deep in the sunk cost fallacy for this failure to matter so we're going to run it back

Anonymous No. 16341420

>>16341414
It's still on boeing to do tests

Anonymous No. 16341421

>>16341416
there will be more hilarity later then lmao

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>>16341197
Give these niggas whatever they need to resurrect ARES mission, on grounds that I think it'd be neat.
>inb4 cost
You made me administrator, this is what you get. Vote me out if you don't like it, fucker

Anonymous No. 16341426

>>16341412
>>16341415
>>16341418
bill knows he'll be dead long before he can be held accountable for that

Anonymous No. 16341428

More like being ignored

Anonymous No. 16341429

>>16341426
good point

Anonymous No. 16341430

>>16341414
it's kind of an irrelevant question because the reality is if boeing did proper intergrated hardware testing on the ground like a normal company they WOULD have caught the overheating issue, as we can see with ground tests after the issues were discovered in-orbit.
the fact of the matter is that this thing should've never been allowed to launch and WOULDN'T have if boeing gave a fuck about intergrated testing and caught the issue.
the fact that they didn't is either extreme negligence or intentional malice for fear of finding more issues and further delaying the launch.

Anonymous No. 16341431

Holy shit we're really going there

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>>16341414
if you hire the cheapest mexican you can find to build you a shed and it just falls over, is it the mexicans fault or yours?

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Anonymous No. 16341436

>>16341426
that smirk to the camera tells it all

Anonymous No. 16341438

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE LET THEM SHOP ON AMAZON FOR CHRISTMAS

Anonymous No. 16341439

>what do you have to say
nigga you trying to guilt trip them? the astronauts are just happy because they like being in space and they like not going home on a deathtrap instead of dragon.

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Update: It was (not) so easy after all

Anonymous No. 16341442

>part of the ship
>part of the crew

Anonymous No. 16341443

>>16341441
Boeing tried to do pic related but NASA didn't let them go through with it

Anonymous No. 16341444

>family is the backbone
bogstandard political drivel.

Anonymous No. 16341446

>>16341441
helium didn't even end up being the issue lol. so much wrong with this flight.

Anonymous No. 16341447

>>16341442
KEK

Anonymous No. 16341449

>>16341441
she needs to be corrected NOW

Anonymous No. 16341450

>>16341446
>didn't even end up being the issue
It leaking helium is still an issue, just not the one that they used to decide whether to return crew with it or not.

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>fox guy is instantly going for the throat asking about budget overruns
nice.

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>SPACE IS HARD

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F I X E D - P R I C E

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Anonymous No. 16341457

Artist anon, if you're here, I expect a new slew of Starlinerchan images over the coming days.
>clinging to the station for dear life
>sweating on dodgy reentry
>bobbing in the sea alone, waiting for ships
Assuming she doesn't burn up for that last one

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>bill smugly talks about cost+ contracting getting canned for the commercial crew program
boeing execs seething rn

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Anonymous No. 16341461

>this program is working like it should

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>>16341460
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1827395284143640984

Anonymous No. 16341463

>>16341457
>>bobbing in the sea alone, waiting for ships
you know she lands at white sands right?

Anonymous No. 16341464

>>16341460
too much effort desu

Anonymous No. 16341465

>>16341460
gemerald

Anonymous No. 16341468

>we have gotten a lot out of this vehicle so far

Anonymous No. 16341469

>>16341463
Oh, the open desert then, maybe sitting sullenly in a little crater. Maybe a BIG crater if it has chute failures, kek

Anonymous No. 16341471

How will they decide next crew for Starliner

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16341472

>>16341170
Soyuz took care of this businees regularly, and much more. but i guess the 10 year old cia led US proxy war of ukr against ru sent US into a hissy fit about space cooperation too.

US is over they just wont admit it

Anonymous No. 16341473

>officially based
Based on what?

Anonymous No. 16341475

>>16341468
this one was better
>why is Boeing wasting so much taxpayers' money?
>this program is working as it should

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Anonymous No. 16341476

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1827402663501132115

Anonymous No. 16341478

>>16341471
just pick two death-row inmates, ez

Anonymous No. 16341481

>>16341471
if it lands without further issue pretty much. it's entirely possible that the maneuvering thrusters can get by on redundancy and software updates.

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Anonymous No. 16341483

>>16341476

Anonymous No. 16341484

>>16341273
>ghoul trying to tell the smoothskins how bad everything isnt

Anonymous No. 16341487

>>16341472
>CIA led proxy war
schizo's belong on /pol/

Anonymous No. 16341489

>>16341460
kek

Anonymous No. 16341491

doesn't sound very laymannish talking about service modules and orbits

Anonymous No. 16341492

>>16341478
Con-Air in spess?

Anonymous No. 16341493

>>16341487
okay mr. CNN guy

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Anonymous No. 16341494

>>16341491

Anonymous No. 16341495

>>16341491
at least it's engineer speak more than corporate speak

Anonymous No. 16341496

>>16341491
I think this ABC lady doesn't know SpaceX is NASA's taxi service, she geniunely seemed surprised

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Anonymous No. 16341498

>>16341478
>D-class astronauts, administered general amnestics before flight

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16341499

>>16341487
Shouldn't you be killselfing like other NAFO troons?

Anonymous No. 16341502

>>16341493
>implying i look at legacy media because i don't want to have my cake and eat it too
the CIA is fucking incompetent but schizo's don't understand that you can't have that be true and simultaniously the CIA can cause coups and proxy wars on command.

they tried that last century anon, it didn't fucking work, they failed every time.
i'm guessing you're a newfag who was in diapers in 2014 because it's obvious you didn't witness any of it.

Anonymous No. 16341503

Imagine if it burns up on reentry

Will the whole project just get canned?

Anonymous No. 16341504

based dreamchaser autist

Anonymous No. 16341505

>>16341338
We pay waiters for foods but still thank them.
We pay police/firefighters/doctors/nurse/soldiers for saving lives but still thank them.

SpaceX saving life as a result of another's failure shouldn't be a thankless job.

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Anonymous No. 16341506

https://x.com/ZachSellinger/status/1827404615291465833
>It'll be Zena Cardman and Aleksandr Gorbunov (CDR & PLT, respectively) that will launch aboard Crew-9. Nick Hague and Stephanie Wilson have been bumped as a result and maybe fly on a future mission. Unless one or both retire from the astronaut corps soon.

Nick Hague : one trip to space out of three attempts

Anonymous No. 16341507

>>16341499
>NAFO troons
those are on twitter, you should go back there.

Anonymous No. 16341508

DREAMCHASER MENTIONED

CREW DREAMCHASER LETS GOOO

Anonymous No. 16341509

>>16341460
lol

Anonymous No. 16341510

>>16341499
Shouldn't you be liberating Kursk?

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Anonymous No. 16341511

>its the plan that Sierra flies cargo missions on the remainder of ISS lifetime
>there is no current plans for crew missions, but Sierra itself does

Anonymous No. 16341512

>lauren grush
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous No. 16341513

Don't they still have leak problem

Anonymous No. 16341514

>>16341499
>>16341510
shouldn't you guys be discussing the starliner conference

Anonymous No. 16341516

>>16341487
/sfg/ is overrun with Z bots, don't bother. Just wait for them to get conscripted.

Anonymous No. 16341517

>>16341351
The difference between SpaceX and Boeing is that when problems were identified in their spacecraft's propulsion systems, SpaceX fixed the issue while Boeing tried to pass it off as being just fine.

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Anonymous No. 16341518

>>16341514
we were until a /pol/schizo walked in and started drooling about the ukraine conflict.

Anonymous No. 16341519

>>16341441
there may be an opportunity here for drawfags to show off their guro skills

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Anonymous No. 16341520

>>16341516
>Z-bots
Those were the coolest little toys back in the day

Anonymous No. 16341522

>>16341412
it will launch crew again, and dragon will take them back again

Anonymous No. 16341523

>>16341514
Sorry I'm still in a post-nut stupor after boing got btfo

Anonymous No. 16341526

>nominal mentioned
>not norminal
gay

Anonymous No. 16341527

starliner will be returned in a starship

Anonymous No. 16341528

the thrusters got WORSE since oft 2

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Anonymous No. 16341529

>>16341494

Anonymous No. 16341530

>extra heating found in doghouse discovered in the past 2 weeks

Anonymous No. 16341531

I missed the suits info, will they wear suits on return

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Anonymous No. 16341532

https://x.com/KenKirtland17/status/1827402852244889676

Anonymous No. 16341533

Shame on boeing but equally important: I think it’s good that NASA can take a look at these risk and say “yup we’re not risking it”
Lessons were learned from Shuttle and that’s a good thing.

Anonymous No. 16341534

>>16341531
one spare on the station, one comes up with crew 9

Anonymous No. 16341535

if redundancies are so important, why don't we have a spare station?

Anonymous No. 16341537

>>16341532
kek remember when it crashed and hypergolic fuel leaked everywhere and Boeing called it a success because it was within landing tolerance? lol

Anonymous No. 16341538

>>16341535
we have the extra Skylab in the air and space museum

Anonymous No. 16341539

>>16341535
soon

Anonymous No. 16341540

>>16341535
Or a second option for SLS/Orion

Anonymous No. 16341541

https://x.com/NASA/status/1827393397939634503

153K are watching this live. Holy shit. Thats probably the most watched NASA briefings isn't it?

Anonymous No. 16341544

>>16341541
normies are attracted to the drama of "astronauts STRANDED in space due to INCOMPETENT company (the same one that made those planes that crashed!)"

Anonymous No. 16341546

>>16341541
a lot of people are using this as an issue in boring political debates lol. they couldn't give a rat's ass about spacex itself it's just another reason for media to (deservedly) dogpile boeing. and probably also blame the current administration for it.

Anonymous No. 16341547

>>16341541
X inflates view counts a lot. if you scroll past it too slowly it counts as a view.

Anonymous No. 16341548

They dont know if thrusters will fail coming down gracefully or explosively. They are operating the thruster outside the nominal range.

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Anonymous No. 16341549

>>16341541
https://x.com/NASA/status/1827398244025905431

Anonymous No. 16341550

>>16341546
*couldn't give a rat's ass about spaceflight itself

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Anonymous No. 16341552

https://x.com/NASA/status/1827404213699420642

Anonymous No. 16341554

>>16341544
So normies shouldn't be paying attention to the biggest fuck up in space/NASA/ISS since the last explosion of shuttle event?

Anonymous No. 16341555

>>16341549
>clothing
haven't those two been using the same fucking clothes since they've gotten up and can't even wash them?

Anonymous No. 16341556

>>16341549
With SpaceX turnaround times, this is probably the first time in spaceflight history where instead of 2 cargo launches a year max or whatever, NASA could get SX to get a cargo dragon to the Station in like a week or less if need be

Anonymous No. 16341557

>>16341555
i'm gonna say it

Anonymous No. 16341561

IMAGINE THE SMELL.

Anonymous No. 16341563

>>16341555
Just strip nude and put the clothing in the airlock and expose it to vacuum

Anonymous No. 16341564

>>16341555
iirc the last cygnus resupply had clothes for replacement

Anonymous No. 16341566

Please please please blow up on the autonomous landing, it would be so crazy and surreal

Anonymous No. 16341568

How many Boeing shareholders have committed suicide so far?

Anonymous No. 16341569

>>16341568
not enough

Anonymous No. 16341571

>>16341568
not nearly enough

Anonymous No. 16341572

>>16341460
GEM
E
M

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Anonymous No. 16341574

https://x.com/zebulgar/status/1827403676559847638

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Anonymous No. 16341575

Apologize yet?

Anonymous No. 16341576

>they're gonna change the undocking sequence to get the dying capsule away from the station faster and deorbit as quickly as possible to maybe hopefully prevent the doghouse from killing itself.
i can't believe there was a serious discussion about letting astronauts return home on this thing.

Anonymous No. 16341577

>>16341575
I have never doubted Berger

Anonymous No. 16341578

>>16341575
>a fucking meteorologist

Anonymous No. 16341579

>>16341576
probably a lot of pressure from Boeing

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Anonymous No. 16341581

https://x.com/KenKirtland17/status/1827403675263775009

Anonymous No. 16341582

Bowersox has little idiosyncrasies that remind me of Elon Musk a little bit, if you pay close attention to his ticks and quirks

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Anonymous No. 16341583

>>16341581
https://x.com/DJSnM/status/1827394823873294707

Anonymous No. 16341584

>>16341575
>Mercury was in retrograde
kek

Anonymous No. 16341585

which one of you is this

Anonymous No. 16341586

>what is your question

Anonymous No. 16341587

OOF HARD HITTING QUESTION LFG
Bill is mad hhahahah

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Anonymous No. 16341588

Anonymous No. 16341589

>Asking for millions of people, why does NASA keep giving money to Boeing?
*becomes visibly upset*
>WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?

Anonymous No. 16341590

>>16341581
How can he reasonably expect Boeing representatives to comment on this publicly when they're presently drowning in their own tears?

Anonymous No. 16341591

>given a hard question on the actual chances it would fail on re-entry
>dodges the question
lol, i don't blame him, the real reason they didn't give a percentage chance answer is because they don't have it.
big part of the reason why they went with this decision is because they themselves COULDN'T quantify the risk because they didn't understand exactly what was creating the problem, they STILL don't.

Anonymous No. 16341592

>for the obvious reason
>...
>BOING has been a great partner for NASA over the years
>in fact, the SLS...

Anonymous No. 16341593

You don't need redundancy when the fucking lifespan of the ISS is less than 5 years away and the main taxi is a proven platform

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Anonymous No. 16341595

kek Nelson is fucking seething
>boeing has been a great partner
lmao

Anonymous No. 16341596

>Boeing's great because 25 years ago
LMAO

Anonymous No. 16341597

They are definitely blacklisting that journo from the conferences

Anonymous No. 16341598

Journo has been added to the list boeing whistleblowers are also temporarily in

Anonymous No. 16341599

>b-b-but boeing also manages SLS
another shithole rocket flying another shithole capsule that should also be cancelled.
nobody gives a fuck about the "history" you have with boing.

Anonymous No. 16341601

God, Nelson is going to blow a gasket before the evening is finished kek

Anonymous No. 16341602

>hey why isn't boing here?
thanks for asking it lol

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Anonymous No. 16341603

>why isn't boing here? Boeing has said saarliner is safe

Anonymous No. 16341604

>>16341593
where was the redundancy when we had the soyuz exclusively lmao

Anonymous No. 16341607

>>16341583
Oof.

Anonymous No. 16341609

>i'll get the first part and it looks like jim's getting ready to get the second part
>*nervous laughing*
they're in the frying pan rn lol.

Anonymous No. 16341610

>>16341588
180k now

Anonymous No. 16341611

>>16341592
I hope these mainstream news sites start looking at SLS more closely
the massive cost hasn't really hit the mainstream in any way

Anonymous No. 16341612

>>16341604
exactly

Anonymous No. 16341614

I'm going to remember this cope session in ~5 years when SLS is finally dead and Boeing is being vivisected for useful bits by the rest of the MIC

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Anonymous No. 16341615

>>16341583
Why would they show up to an event that does not maximize shareholder value?

Anonymous No. 16341616

>>16341554
>the biggest fuck up in space/NASA/ISS since the last explosion of shuttle event
lol
NASA blowing billions every year is far worse of a fuck up

Anonymous No. 16341617

>not only is it bipartisan, it's nonpartisan
lmaoooooo

Anonymous No. 16341618

>this agency is non-partisan
is that why you guys filled your ranks with DEI hires?

Anonymous No. 16341621

>I want to be addressed as “Senator Administrator”
>But I can guarantee you NASA steers free of politics
Oh thanks Bill, so we just landed on the Moon in 1969 for fun? Nothing to do with the Russians eh?

Anonymous No. 16341622

lmao he got the final word in

Anonymous No. 16341623

>>16341618
DEI script is old. Report to HQ to get your chip replaced.

Anonymous No. 16341624

beep
beep

Anonymous No. 16341626

>we view the data differently than boeing does, and it's a matter of experience and expertise
nice way of calling boeing incompetent and inexperienced

Anonymous No. 16341627

how embarrassing

Anonymous No. 16341628

>>16341618
You forgot to mention ESG, Blackrock, etc.

Anonymous No. 16341629

Alright funniest part about this was the guy rawdogging the question about Boeing sucking ass and Nelson getting visibly angry and short-tempered

Anonymous No. 16341631

>>16341623
stop hiring useless black women to be managers and we'll stop talking about it.

Anonymous No. 16341632

>>16341623
>you're a bot for noticing that NASA spends half it's time whining about equity and clearly does not hire based solely on competence anymore, which is reflected in their performance.
right, it's a script, just like describing the wheather is a script, dipshit.

Anonymous No. 16341634

Bill Harwood asked the unaskable question straight forward. I sort of believe Nelson a little bit, but at the same time, I know politics is always a concern. Optics about SpaceX winning more contracts must be damning for Biden admin, however Nelson tries not to play the active politics here, even if he may have small biases and pulls from Washington

Anonymous No. 16341635

>>16341621
That was a friendly competition :)

Anonymous No. 16341637

>>16341629
when you get old like that it becomes more difficult to conceal your emotions, very old politicians tend to have weaker pokerfaces.

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Anonymous No. 16341640

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1827409708388642984

FOX clip about the situation

Anonymous No. 16341642

>"It was just too much risk for the crew," NASA's Steve Stich says.

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Anonymous No. 16341643

>>16341631
>>16341632
/sfg/ still had black women can get NASA jobs and they can't

Anonymous No. 16341645

>>16341643
holy ESL

Anonymous No. 16341648

>>16341640
is it possible for MSM to mention spacex without preceding it with the name elon musk?
I don't think anybody mentioned elon once during the news conference. and as soon as this guy turns around and writes his piece he has to bring the guy into it.

Anonymous No. 16341650

>>16341629
That guy sounded so unprofessional
>"y'know, y'know?"
I think some dude slipped into the press pool lmao

Anonymous No. 16341652

>>16341643
i'm sorry that you're angry about people pointing out that nigs don't get hired on merits, but it's true.
perhaps if i was a black woman i too could get a job at NASA without being qualified for it.

maybe i should bring out my old zwarte piet getup and go on a trip to the US?

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Anonymous No. 16341654

>>16341643
/sfg/ mad they can't get a qt black astronaut gf

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Anonymous No. 16341655

>>16341623

Anonymous No. 16341657

>>16341648
The average person cares more elon drama than they do about space.
So Elon Musk's SpaceX is what it will remain.

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Anonymous No. 16341658

>>16341648
https://x.com/zerohedge/status/1827395148944228746

its not just MSM, its basically all laypeople lol

Anonymous No. 16341659

>>16341640
>boeing and nasa are forced to rely on elon musk's spacex to save the day as two astronauts are stranded on the international space station

saw this juicy headline coming from a million miles away back when saarliner was first reporting issues, sweet deliverance at last.

Anonymous No. 16341661

>>16341657
>The average person cares more elon drama than they do about space
/sfg/ do be like that

Anonymous No. 16341664

>competition who beat you 4 years ago now has to rescue your stranded crew because your capsule is deemed unsafe
Why even have a Boeing anymore, shunt off the parts that do military stuff and give them a new name, let 'em keep making bombers or whatever, but shutter the rest of it.

Anonymous No. 16341665

what is the general publis reaction going to be when SpaceX launches Polaris Dawn on Tuesday?
The juxtaposition is very stark

Anonymous No. 16341667

>>16341648
The MSM dragged musk name down at every chance. So they will still continue to use Musk's name in this regard because Musk goes against their cult ideology.

Anonymous No. 16341668

>>16341665
>I thought they were coming back in February??

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Anonymous No. 16341669

>>16341654
>that nose
>cute
look you can make black women cute by removing all the nasty facial features in an anime style drawing, but your
>hehe black women are cute and sexy haha
meme doesn't work with real life images.

Anonymous No. 16341670

>>16341665
Public reaction? The public doesn't think about space.

Anonymous No. 16341672

Is the Boeing humiliation ritual complete?

Or does Calypso still have one last left in store for them?

Anonymous No. 16341675

>>16341665
>"What's a polaris dawn?" -the public, shortly after launch of Polaris Dawn

Anonymous No. 16341676

>>16341176
https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1827393761296392521

Jeff Foust livetweeting of the event

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Anonymous No. 16341680

>>16341672
it obviously will because this calypso is fockin minging.

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Anonymous No. 16341682

>>16341664
I actually think the whole “more than 1 option” thing is based. Just not via Boeing, this is now more apparent than ever.
I don’t know how serious Rocket Lab is about their crew vehicle but it’s too far away.
Berger said even a crewed Dreamchaser would not be ready until well past ISS deorbit (it could still be used for future commercial LEO destinations but whatever)
Who else could chip in? A LockMart Orion lite capsule? Bigelow and Lockheed floated this idea around a long time ago

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Anonymous No. 16341683

https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1827393665377169618

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/7270451890/

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Anonymous No. 16341684

>>16341683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwqdEKLitC8

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Anonymous No. 16341686

>>16341684

Anonymous No. 16341688

>>16341680
FOCKIN MINGING

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Anonymous No. 16341689

>>16341686

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Anonymous No. 16341691

>>16341683
reissman

Anonymous No. 16341693

>>16341686
>Suni originally wanted to fly on Dragon
Damn I didn't know that! She gets her wish now lol

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Anonymous No. 16341697

>There was an arrogance with them that you certainly didn’t see at SpaceX.” (astronaut Hurley, p.294)
>Hurley did not see any urgency from Boeing’s teams. Rather, they appeared to be working part-time on Starliner. ‘It was all about managing dollars and cents from Boeing’s perspective,’ Hurley said.
>Hurley told the chief of the astronaut office he would not fly on Starliner
>He went on to fly the first SpaceX Dragon to bring crew to the ISS
Jesus Christ. Now we know the inner workings.

Anonymous No. 16341698

>>16341686
>ULAs employees would drive up to SpaceXs fence, jeering
what the fuck
you think you hate old space enough, you don't

Anonymous No. 16341699

>>16341683
There are incredible people within NASA who take risks with these sorts of things. It could have easily been a “good ol’ boys club” with Boeing. And right now we’d be relying on a fucking SOYUZ RESCUE with independent American access to space essentially shelved all over again.
People were pointing and laughing at SpaceX even as recently as the FH demo. Don’t forget that. Choosing them was a risk, in many ways. Choosing Starship for HLS was a risk.
But these risks have paid off in spades.

Anonymous No. 16341701

>>16341669
Why is she brown

Anonymous No. 16341702

>>16341697
based doug

Anonymous No. 16341703

>>16341701
Tejano rocket

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Anonymous No. 16341704

https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1827417497219576167

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/50385305423/

Anonymous No. 16341705

>>16341699
SpaceX is only seen as "risky" from an outsider who doesn't know what they're talking about. The inner working people, NASA, and astronauts seems to be trust the management and the work ethics built into the company quite a lot bit so they know these "risky" endeavours are actual labors of intense engineering love that to others seem like "risky"

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Anonymous No. 16341706

>>16341684
>First SpaceX Dragon Berthing to the ISS — Filmed at Mission Control

Anonymous No. 16341708

>>16341697
>Now

Anonymous No. 16341709

So let me get this straight, we have cosmonauts shitposting on twitter calling Dragon ‘first class’ and making fun of Soyuz while tagging Rogozin
And we have American astronauts straight up refusing to fly on Boeing’s Starliner.
Yeah… I think tiny SpaceX did indeed rock Boeing and the rest of the entire space industry on Earth.

Anonymous No. 16341710

>>16341705
And I would say this applies to all of Musk's companies.

Anonymous No. 16341712

>>16341682
>I actually think the whole “more than 1 option” thing is based. Just not via Boeing
I can agree to that, we must never suffer another gap in spaceflight capability like we had post-shuttle. It's just too demoralizing and I won't have it.

Anonymous No. 16341713

>>16341686
>after being stranded in space, suni will fly with spacex, as she originally hoped
you can just imagine the conversation between future commercial crew astronauts after having witnessed the development of both programs.

do you think they drew straws to decide who would have to fly on the deathtrap?

Anonymous No. 16341714

>>16341640
How unfortunate is it for career astronauts? Like they wouldn't have wanted to go for a full duration normal expedition to the ISS is they were offered?

At least they don't have to ride down on a known to be defective shit bucket.

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Anonymous No. 16341715

>>16341706
>VLC

Anonymous No. 16341716

>>16341709
Link to the post lol

Anonymous No. 16341717

>>16341709
>space industry on Earth
Is there space industry elsewhere?

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Anonymous No. 16341718

>>16341706

Anonymous No. 16341722

>>16341717
in space

Anonymous No. 16341723

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1008780466151940098

Old Berger posting about Boeing employees creating FUD about SpaceX

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Anonymous No. 16341724

Just read the news, tell me NASA will reject SpaceX at the last second and use(brute force) Starliner only to fail, and we see those two die on reentry.

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Anonymous No. 16341727

>>16341716
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/cosmonauts-mock-russias-space-leader-on-twitter-a-robot-calls-them-drunks/
The whole story is crazy. They made fun of rogozin and soyuz. Rogozin then took to Fedor’s twitter account (Russia’s anthropomorphic robot similar to robonaut) and called a group of cosmonauts “drunks”

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Anonymous No. 16341728

>>16341723
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/SpaceX-risky-rocket-poses-a-problem-Opinion-12999234.php
>SpaceX risky rocket poses a problem [Opinion]

Anonymous No. 16341730

>>16341709
any time the subject comes up in my normiesphere, it becomes very difficult for me to accurately express how hard spacex mogs the entire rest of the industry.
how do you even begin to describe it to a layman, this is a serious question, how do you do it?

Anonymous No. 16341731

What does /sfg/ think of Suni? I had become extremely misogynistic and racist but after seeing her tour of the ISS she seems like a very intelligent woman. That undid some of the brainrot I got from /pol/ and now I'm only moderately misogynistic and racist, but I think as long as candidates are selected based on their skills and ability, then ultimately their race and gender doesn't matter. The libtards dream of all races in space can become a reality, as much as I'd like for whites and east Asians to leave them behind to make an ethnogalaxy. So long as we can uninamously agree to desert the kikes on Earth I'm happy.

Anonymous No. 16341733

>>16341731
Dont care.

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Anonymous No. 16341735

>>16341728

Anonymous No. 16341737

>>16341699
>It could have easily been a “good ol’ boys club” with Boeing.
It very nearly is with Free

Anonymous No. 16341738

>>16341727
>>16341728
Spaceflight is great because aside from fascinating engineering, science, and deep space locations that quench trainspotting autism, the drama of the industry is insane and hilarious

Anonymous No. 16341739

>>16341730
Uhhhh oldspace is IBM and Elon is Steve Jobs

Anonymous No. 16341740

>>16341735
>This next generation space race presents an opportunity to continue that legacy of safety and innovation by sending NASA astronauts to deep space aboard America’s exploration rocket, the Space Launch System. Its crewed missions to the moon and beyond will be run from Houston at Johnson Space Center’s historic mission control, ensuring that Houston remains the epicenter of exploration and American leadership.
>"Phelps retired as chief engineer in Boeing’s space division after a career spent with the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs."

lmao

Anonymous No. 16341741

>>16341731
There are no unqualified people on ISS

Anonymous No. 16341745

>>16341731
i feel bad for glover because clearly he's one of those nigs that won the genetic lottery and has normal tier intelligence.
every time the question of his race and equity comes up he just tiredly responds that he doesn't give a fuck in breathless terms.

i am extremely racist, but in the end, statistics are statistics, and some small amount of women and nigs have that magic needed to be above average competent. generally i have no problem with them, including shotwell.

Anonymous No. 16341746

>>16341731
Who gives a fuck I think every astronaut is cool and it was only a select group of retards on /sfg/ who started calling her the wicked witch and making fun of her ethnicity and, granted, very large chin. But these posters are and were simply fags who came over from their containment board (not even going to name it) because I’ve seen wicked witch posting there in great numbers in the Boeing Starliner threads
So I don’t give a fuck that you have “come around”. Maybe you shouldn’t have been a faggot in the first place?

Anonymous No. 16341748

>>16341731
An intelligent man is capable of respecting an intelligent black man like Thomas Sowell while simultaneously having the most negative opinion possible of niggers. You should be able to respect an individual who has earned it while having an appropriately negative option of a class.

Anonymous No. 16341749

>>16341746
Yeah the /pol/ bleedover to /sfg/ is insane, I mean half expected because this board is basically /scipol/

Anonymous No. 16341750

Now what's the probability of shitliner not landing nominally? I'd say 1% it blows up in orbit, 10% it can't de-orbit.

>>16341549
>What about food and oxygen?
Fucking normies.
Remember back in 14-15 when 3 cargo flights blew up in less than a year? Those were the times.

Anonymous No. 16341751

>>16341730
Boeing and oldspace in general is like the "dumbphone" of Nokias, works reasonably well but they are being disrupted by a new company (SpaceX) which is akin to smartphones coming on the market
there are other companies trying to catch up and copy SpaceX but none have started to use these new technologies yet (reusable boosters)
they have captured the launch market much like Apple captured the smartphone market (and phone market in general) initially

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Anonymous No. 16341753

>>16341728

Anonymous No. 16341754

>>16341298
based, you make hating boeing look cool

Anonymous No. 16341756

>>16341710
solartard

Anonymous No. 16341758

>>16341738
i mean, come to think of it we really are just trainspotters/planespotters aren't we?

do you think any of us would set fire to a japanese animation studio because one of their advertisements was blocking the view to a rocket launch?

Anonymous No. 16341759

>>16341753
Berger is a journalist.

Anonymous No. 16341761

>>16341753
it was a retired Boeing engineer this time, not a journalist

Anonymous No. 16341762

https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1827423458042454156

Queen G has spoken

Anonymous No. 16341763

>>16341758
Kek

Anonymous No. 16341764

>>16341746
i am not /pol/ but i make fun of people's appearances when there is something obvious to make fun of.
if you had a butt-chin i'd probably make lighthearted fun of you for it, and i'd welcome you to do it back.

i don't even think she looks "bad" for a women her age, it's just that her witchmaxxed appearance is an extremely obvious target for puns and jokes.

TL;DR people are going to make fun of other people and you should stop crying about it.

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Anonymous No. 16341766

https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1827423458042454156

Anonymous No. 16341767

Reminder that Trump was still a president when SpaceX flew astronauts for the first time.

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Anonymous No. 16341768

>>16341766
https://x.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1827400923154366799

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Anonymous No. 16341769

>>16341750
>Now what's the probability of shitliner not landing nominally?
100%

Anonymous No. 16341770

>>16341753
Thats not journalism, its just an opinion FUD from Boeing guy.

Also, I'd say space industry is the only industry in the entire US thats still largely accurate/on point. If you ignore the garbage from those women whose job is to public SpaceX hit pieces or Musk hit pieces

Anonymous No. 16341772

Boeing Humiliation ritual is complete

Time for EDS humiliation ritual-
https://x.com/K3PLRLEAF/status/1827409965021110678

Anonymous No. 16341774

>>16341766
How about free rides?

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Anonymous No. 16341775

>>16341730
These graphs, and the statement "Spacex operates most of the satellites in orbit right now, and they didn't have any six years ago" should do it.
Anyone who doesn't even begin to show some signs of understanding after that is hopeless, and should be tossed directly into the reclamation tanks.

Anonymous No. 16341776

>>16341772
lmao those 2 must be doing another mental gymnastics

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Anonymous No. 16341777

>>16341772
lmao, Max Twang and Spaceguy5 delivering on the retarded takes

Anonymous No. 16341778

>>16341772
Should have added the chris faggot guy too.

Anonymous No. 16341780

>>16341563
Oxyclean has nothing on molecular oxygen

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Anonymous No. 16341781

>>16341777

Anonymous No. 16341782

>>16341730
>the subject comes up in my normiesphere

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Anonymous No. 16341783

How the fuck do you cope with knowing you will never set foot on Mars? If I had the chance to get sent there with no food or water, just a spacesuit with enough oxygen for one EVA, I'd take it in a heartbeat, despite knowing I'd die shortly after arriving.

Anonymous No. 16341785

>>16341780
*atomic oxygen

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Anonymous No. 16341786

>>16341781

Anonymous No. 16341788

well looks like I fell asleep just before the stream. Can anyone give me a QRD?

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Anonymous No. 16341789

>>16341772
it's impressive that there's been like 5 different instances where EDS crowd star in a post-revelation compilation like this because they just can't stop proving eric berger right.

you'd think after so many times they'd learn to stop betting on the wrong horse or at least stop making quotable claims about it, but their obsessive hatred for elon and by extension spacex is SO GREAT that they just can't help it.

i mean i'm getting flashbacks to when SLS was slated to be delayed for another full year and all of the EDS crowd were like "nuh-uh erberger is a spacex fanboy" and then it got delayed by another full year.

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Anonymous No. 16341791

>>16341786

Anonymous No. 16341792

>>16341783
>How the fuck do you cope with knowing you will never set foot on Mars?
Getting really geared up and walking around outside in the depths of winter. If you close your eyes it's almost like an EVA.

Anonymous No. 16341794

>>16341788
Being shit the bed
SpaceX rescues crew
Thrusters operating outside normal range
They dont have confidence that thursters wont fail mid flight
Closed system simulation isnt possible so they dont know the full scope of the issue

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Anonymous No. 16341795

>>16341791

Anonymous No. 16341797

>>16341788
you missed the part where ballast bill uttered the first sentence of the conference where he instantly tore off the bandaid and said they would be returning on crew9

the rest of the conference was just a boeing humiliation ritual that boeing was too scared to show up to.

Anonymous No. 16341798

Shifting gears here real quick but Musk removing public likes has been really annoying. People like Jeff Bezos rarely comment or retweet, but they like stuff on a daily basis and it was interesting to pick their brain and see what they were liking. Now that option does not exist anymore.

Also there is a non-zero chance Musk hid likes because of the Tom Mueller incident lol

Anonymous No. 16341799

not letting this distract me from the fact that crew dragon exploded once

Anonymous No. 16341804

>>16341798
the tom muller incident?

Anonymous No. 16341805

>>16341799
during a tolerance range test that as tested beyond the limits on the ground on a testing ground

Anonymous No. 16341806

>>16341798
I think its pretty clearly just so people can like stuff that is controversial but not get fired from their jobs for it
likes are important for the algorithm to see what kind of content the person wants to see more of

Anonymous No. 16341807

>>16341650
>imagine the overtime pay

Anonymous No. 16341808

>>16341682
you could probably build an emergency life support unit to fit into a cargo dream chaser as an emergency rescue craft: think oxygen tanks and scrubbers to last 24 hours. Thanks to the relatively gentle reentry profile you wouldn't need too much in terms of seats and padding for the astronauts, just specific spots to park people in to keep the center of gravity within some set bounds.

Anonymous No. 16341809

>>16341549
So they will be returning in February? Man, I hope Boeing is getting seriously grilled over this.

Anonymous No. 16341810

>>16341798
>upended a longstanding feature so his gay pal can perv in peace
A good friend

Anonymous No. 16341811

>>16341792
am i the only person autistic enough to go out into the snow at night in heavy clothes and intentionally breathe really heavy like i'm in a spacesuit?
i did that when i was a kid and i'm still doing it now, sometimes i'll bend over really slowly and slowly grasp a rock in my hand like it's of scientific interest.

Anonymous No. 16341812

>>16341799
They were testing well beyond operating conditions and told NASA immediately. Joint investigation found a problem both of them didn’t even expect to be possible, and a design change was made immediately.
Boeing apparently knew about the teflon seal issues on both previous flights and withheld it from NASA.
You can claim these are similar, but you’d be an idiot to do so.

Anonymous No. 16341813

>>16341805
fuck off cherrypicker

Anonymous No. 16341814

>>16341799
if Boeing bothered to do some actual tests then maybe they could have blown those thrusters on the ground instead of suffering this humiliation

Anonymous No. 16341816

>>16341804
Muller pee story

>>16341798
People getting cancelled for likes is the main reason to remove it. People were losing jobs over likes

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Anonymous No. 16341820

>>16341683
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827425468175245748

Anonymous No. 16341821

>>16341820
Spicy shit as always from his book(s)

Anonymous No. 16341822

>>16341813
>doesn't pick cherries
>his rocket ends up destroying itself WITH astronauts on board
well excuuuuuuuuse me princess.

Anonymous No. 16341823

>>16341808
Speaking of which
https://x.com/truthful_ast/status/1827419248311865618
It’s a “dude trust me bro” situation but this asexual maple sucker claims Dreamchaser 2 will be 60t lmao

Anonymous No. 16341825

>>16341808
Having something like that in kit form wouldn't be a bad idea. If you can build an emergency LS system that's just an independent cargo pack you could use the same gear to convert a cargo Dragon into a crew escape craft.

Anonymous No. 16341828

>>16341820
this might be one of the first times i bother ordering a book online.

Anonymous No. 16341831

>>16341828
Another win for Bezos

Anonymous No. 16341832

>>16341811
No, I've done this too. You should stop before you start making Quindar-Tones out loud though.

Anonymous No. 16341833

>>16341798
Removing public likes increased the usage of the like function significantly, which improved the quality and quantity of data available to the algorithm design team—and that increased engagement is generally just good for the site.
Likely better to have it as an option per account rather than a universal property of the site, though.

Anonymous No. 16341834

>>16341811
>am i the only person autistic enough to go out into the snow at night in heavy clothes and intentionally breathe really heavy like i'm in a spacesuit?
Clearly not, fellow autist. With snowpants, gloves, heavy jacket, thermal+longjohns, big hat, scarf, undercoat, you're basically wearing an environmental suit designed to regulate body heat and prevent death via exposure to the elements. In that way, is it so different than a spacesuit? I'm not looking forwards to winter, I barely camped at all this year.

Anonymous No. 16341835

>>16341731
Having learned that Suni supports SpaceX, and because I fear being hexxed, I hereby retract my comments about her being a witch.

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Anonymous No. 16341840

>>16341811
>>16341832
>>16341834

Anonymous No. 16341841

Boeing reddit board is seething about Musk winning this LMAO

Anonymous No. 16341843

>>16341841
Shows how many of them are not team space

Anonymous No. 16341844

>>16341820
Okay Eric, I will now buy your book.

Anonymous No. 16341845

>>16341841
inb4 you get dogpiled and told to gb2r
I’m going to go lurk and laugh at the seethe. A man of taste enters behind enemy lines when he knows there is gold to be found!

Anonymous No. 16341846

>>16341841
screenshot the salt, I ain't going there

Anonymous No. 16341847

>>16341583
zing

Anonymous No. 16341848

>>16341846
i dont want to spread the reddit garbage, but I just went there to check the site to farm reaction.

Anonymous No. 16341849

>aboutspacetoday

This is the guy near the end that got Nelson so mad
"What is your question?"
It's some dude with a youtube channel and a podcast lmao can't make this up

He's definitely getting blacklisted though after this I bet

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Anonymous No. 16341850

>>16341841
seems like the opposite to me actually, there is some generic Musk hate at places but they seem to see SpaceX as competent and Boeing as pretty incompetent

https://www.reddit.com/r/boeing/comments/1f0ah5a/nasa_says_astronauts_stuck_on_space_station_will/

https://www.reddit.com/r/boeing/comments/1f0a2k9/live_nasa_press_conference_starliner_update/

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Anonymous No. 16341851

>>16341850

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Anonymous No. 16341852

>>16341850

Anonymous No. 16341853

>>16341848
Well I tried to harvest the salt myself and apparently reddit has me IP banned even though I have never had an account. Probably because of my VPN.

Anonymous No. 16341856

>>16341849
It was a wholly reasonable question too.

Anonymous No. 16341857

>>16341825
I think if shit really hit the fan, you can just go to a cargo dragon, and deorbit immediately. 45 min is probably not enough to make the air unbreathable.

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Anonymous No. 16341858

>>16341851

Anonymous No. 16341859

>>16341856
No it wasn't because he didn't even ask a question he went on a rant the type you'd see on /sfg/ lol

Anonymous No. 16341860

>>16341722
Starlink mogs that too.

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Anonymous No. 16341861

>>16341851

>>16341852
yeah, Musk bad regardless of what is going on with SpaceX or Boeing
its somewhat axiomatic but it doesn't in this case judge their judgement about SpaceX itself

Anonymous No. 16341864

>>16341861
They're trying to discredit Musk in this Boeing failure event LMAO.

Anonymous No. 16341865

>>16341852
What does “fascist” even mean these days? Anyone who renounced rick and morty and says they want to be on a govt efficiency commission because they love their country?
RFK Jr. should round up these braindead slobs and E2E them to Barnum and Bailey headquarters

Anonymous No. 16341866

>>16341831
>implying i'd use amazon
i don't use amazon intentionally out of spite.

Anonymous No. 16341870

>>16341865
Anyone who is against censorship, children being indoctrinated with gender ideology, children being castrated etc, is a fascist.

Anonymous No. 16341871

>>16341866
Kek based

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Anonymous No. 16341873

https://www.reddit.com/r/boeing/comments/1eyua50/we_keep_losing_top_talent/

seems like the subreddit is mostly Boeing employees talking to each other, lots of posts about striking and wages and so on

Anonymous No. 16341876

>>16341866
I pay my monthly amazon tax

Anonymous No. 16341880

>>16341859
Bill, get off 4chan.

Anonymous No. 16341883

>>16341811
not autistic as this guy wearing chainmail all day to simulate gravity when returning to earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYiPPU4DZuI

Anonymous No. 16341884

>>16341880
I don't even think he uses his own twitter lol

Anonymous No. 16341886

>>16341883
>going to grocery store in bongland

Anonymous No. 16341887

>>16341870
easily summed up as
>anything that gives me free shit and protects my degenerate behavior: Democracy
>Anything that makes me slightly responsible for any and all actions: Fascism

Anonymous No. 16341888

>>16341781
>My uncle who works at Nintendo said so

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Anonymous No. 16341891

>thinks NASA should use a Soyuz instead of Dragon
>speaks of Soyuz in the past tense as though he doesn't know they're still made and flying
>seems to think Soyuz are reusable

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Anonymous No. 16341892

can someone give me a qrd on the tom Mueller pee story.

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Anonymous No. 16341893

in other news poliaris dawn progresses as planned.
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1827434046487425235

Anonymous No. 16341896

I think Senator Administrator "Ballast" Bill Nelson mentioned Challenger and Columbia twice or three times during the conference

Anonymous No. 16341897

>>16341861
>pre-emptive cope knowing they're being mocked relentlessly on other websites and other parts of plebbit
lol, he sounds so defeated, so scared he won't even mention spacex by name.

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Anonymous No. 16341898

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827432877677531640

Anonymous No. 16341899

Bros I can't even imagine a timeline where SpaceX folded, we would have went 3 years with no vehicle for ISS missions, a launch in 2024, and those 2 astronauts potentially dying on return. USA would have been am absolute joke.

Anonymous No. 16341901

I think it's pretty objectively clear that this is the safer decision.

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Anonymous No. 16341902

>>16341898
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/longtime-nasa-commercial-space-chief-mcalister-out

Anonymous No. 16341905

>>16341898
Pushed out just like Leuders was, the Boeing faction in NASA (led by Free and supported by Nelson) is consolidating power

Anonymous No. 16341906

>>16341899
Space would belong to Russia and the chinks.

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Anonymous No. 16341908

>>16341902

Anonymous No. 16341909

>>16341901 since when has /sfg/ cared about safety?

Anonymous No. 16341910

Starliner - Fail
KC-46 - Fail
VC-25 - Fail
787 - Fail
737 MAX - Fail
777X - Fail

It truly is astounding how many programs have had massive problems and lost money.

Anonymous No. 16341911

>>16341898
THERE GOES MY HEEERO

Anonymous No. 16341912

>>16341873
can you imagine how many boeing engineers are gonna go find greener pastures after this shitshow?

Anonymous No. 16341913

>>16341910
say it with me...
SPACE

Anonymous No. 16341915

>>16341905
This decision is unironically a huge win for the Boeing faction. If Starliner had killed the astronauts they would be FINISHED but now that this scenario is off the table, the Boeing faction is relatively safe for a while longer.

Anonymous No. 16341916

>>16341905
conspiracy theory

Anonymous No. 16341918

>>16341910
wanna know what else is astounding?
>Aboulafia said Starliner's impact on Boeing business and finances will be modest — “not really a needle-mover.” Even the $4.2 billion, multi-year NASA contract is a relatively small chunk of revenue for Boeing, which reported sales of $78 billion last year.

Anonymous No. 16341920

>>16341912
assuming there are many left that are able to do so
one of the posts I skimmed through said not to put Boeing on your resume lmao

Anonymous No. 16341921

>>16341916
backroom politicking

Anonymous No. 16341925

>>16341915
Not sure if you’re trolling or just ignorant but Boeing is fucked if they can’t get this shitcan undocked successfully, or if it fails ton re-enter and land even without humans in it (as it would show it would have killed Butch and Suni if they tried).
Boeing was pushing for a crewed return.

Anonymous No. 16341928

>>16341898
All the guys that work to push SpaceX are getting canned. Kathy Leuders was the first major one. If you didnt remember, she was promoted by Trump admin and then right after Nelson took office, she was demoted and removed from Starship program entirely

Anonymous No. 16341929

>>16341891
>>seems to think Soyuz are reusable
Normies got used to spacecraft being reusable from the Space Shuttle and Falcon/Dragon and don't understand what inbred retards the rest of the global industry is filled with.

Anonymous No. 16341931

>>16341916
all conspiracies are true

Anonymous No. 16341933

>>16341928
don't forget the guy that got starship the hls contract literally died

Anonymous No. 16341934

>>16341912
Pretty black spot on your resume though, "worked on Starliner". If I was HR and actually hired on merit, those would go the bottom of the pile in some disused lavatory with a sign saying Beware of Elon.

Anonymous No. 16341936

>>16341925
It is at least one fatal scenario for the Boeing faction taken off the table.

Anonymous No. 16341937

>>16341934
as >>16341920
said just be vague and don't mention boeing by name.

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Anonymous No. 16341938

>>16341931
even this one?

Anonymous No. 16341942

>>16341938
looks real to me

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Anonymous No. 16341943

How long do they have before Agent 747 finds them? Who does he go after first?

Anonymous No. 16341944

https://mainenginecutoff.com/podcast/284
Any Lapse

Anonymous No. 16341946

>>16341943
nelsons not outrunning any hitman so Id say him

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Anonymous No. 16341958

>>16341943
Boeing will detonate the secret Calypso FTS and take the whole station out

Anonymous No. 16341959

>>16341946
>Nelson when he sees the hitman
>"Now you know, you can't put a 10 pound potato in a 5 pound sack, that's why I carry my Smith & Weston under my coat"
>*bang*
>hitman falls to the ground
>"I am the senate"
>walks away

Anonymous No. 16341961

>>16341959
the fastest gun in LEO

Anonymous No. 16341964

>>16341958
almost forgot about the shitshow of actually trying to launch this thing too

Anonymous No. 16341976

>>16341964
Shitshow on first launch, where they didnt make it to ISS
Shitshow on this launch, where there were multiple thruster issues, leaks, that could not be connected to a root causes analysis

I wonder what the next Starliner launch is gonna be like. Crew or Uncrewed

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Anonymous No. 16341978

Anonymous No. 16341980

>>16341976
There won't be one. NASA will cancel the contract and demand their money back.

Anonymous No. 16341982

>>16341976
no I mean the shitshow even trying to launch the thing, issues with the launch software and the suit cooling systems
didn't it take like 1 or 2 tries?

Anonymous No. 16341983

>>16341978
Boeingchads were right; they’re not stuck on the station

Anonymous No. 16341984

any contractautists know if NASA has paid Boeing anything for the capsule services and will they pay Boeing anything for their capsule service in the future

Anonymous No. 16341990

>>16341746
Please stop spouting homophobic and hurtful anti-special needs rhetoric. Be better. You sound an awful lot like the posters you are complaining about.

Anonymous No. 16341993

>>16341921
Yep. Stacking the deck under the radar

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Anonymous No. 16341997

https://x.com/SpaceAbhi/status/1827410586529099941

Anonymous No. 16342002

https://x.com/NASA/status/1827404213699420642
>NASA and SpaceX currently are working several items before launch, including reconfiguring seats on the Crew-9 Dragon, and adjusting the manifest to carry additional cargo, personal effects, and Dragon-specific spacesuits for Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams:

Ok but how are they gonna size them make sure they fit etc?

They could have them come back and measure the suits and everything then go back and wait for them to come so they know they'll fit them I guess

Anonymous No. 16342003

>>16341997
Uh... SpaceX? SNC? This is a very brown post.

Anonymous No. 16342004

>>16341997
If you can’t handle a fixed-price contract for something we’ve been doing for damn near sixty years, then get your skin out of the game. This is a capsule, going to low-earth orbit. You want cost-plus for that? Kys

Anonymous No. 16342005

>>16341363
keep that shit, it's gonna be worth something like how error coins are valuable collectibles

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Anonymous No. 16342008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgqkZC4hKTk
>SpaceX Completing a Boeing Mission: NASA’s Backup Plan, Explained | WSJ

Anonymous No. 16342010

>>16341759
One of the few.

Anonymous No. 16342011

>>16341964
It’s amazing honestly that this is the first time shartliner is getting even somewhat proper coverage by media when this has been a constant ongoing shitshow with delays and hardware failures for the past 5 years

Anonymous No. 16342013

>>16342002
All the sizing data is in NASA's hands already, anon.

Anonymous No. 16342014

>>16341759
he is a very biased person. I'm not sure if I'd give him the honor of calling him a journalist

Anonymous No. 16342022

>>16342014
>journalist (derogatory)

Anonymous No. 16342024

>>16342002
suni will simply have to live with her skintight suit that shows off her hag cameltoe.

Anonymous No. 16342027

>>16342014
he is biased towards reality, true.
sadly for us boeingsisters, reality is biased towards spacex, that is the way of things right now.

Anonymous No. 16342032

>>16342014
You misspelled "dishonor"

Anonymous No. 16342035

>>16342014
*based
*insult

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Anonymous No. 16342039

>>16341517
Well, half-fine. Right? They just need a lift home is all.

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Anonymous No. 16342052

It's over

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Anonymous No. 16342056

The real question is whether they would be currently be scheduled on a soyuz if SpaceX didn't exist or if NASA would have got a tap on the shoulder from the state department and been told to stuff them in the boing.

Anonymous No. 16342057

>>16342055
Isn't that channel Chinese propaganda?
>globalnews.cn

Anonymous No. 16342059

>>16342057
https://globalnews.ca/

Anonymous No. 16342062

>>16341170
It ought to be tradition that every time they do a spacewalk they have to put a piece of gang graffiti on her.

Anonymous No. 16342064

>>16342056
Many are speculating that they would have committed to a Starliner return if it was the only American vehicle on the table

Anonymous No. 16342066

>>16342059
oh so it is jeets

Anonymous No. 16342067

>>16342066
probably lol.

Anonymous No. 16342068

>what if spacex didn't exist
>what if
Worse than /his/ jesus fucking christ

Anonymous No. 16342072

>>16342068
Oh come on those /his/ threads can be fun if you catch them late at night and there’s less shitposting

Anonymous No. 16342075

>>16342068
Cool your autism. There is nothing wrong with considering counterfactuals, it's a thing normal people often do.

Anonymous No. 16342076

>>16342075
what if my massive bearcock was smoothly sliding between your boycheeks huh?

Anonymous No. 16342080

>>16341997
I keep seeing this guy reposted here, everything he says seems disingenuous at best. Or just like he put it through a chatgpt prompt to garner some quick views

Anonymous No. 16342081

>>16342080
Yeah good point it does seem like AI slop lol

Anonymous No. 16342084

>>16342076
I'd shoot you and turn your bear lard into pie crusts.

Anonymous No. 16342089

>>16341684
>astronauts were actually refusing to fly on Starliner
/sfg/ vindicated

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Anonymous No. 16342093

>>16342080

Anonymous No. 16342098

>>16341756
Trump got Musk to agree he likes nuclear and Musk got Trump to admit solar has its place. The war is over.

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Anonymous No. 16342099

>>16341537
>within landing tolerance
Best tolerance is no tolerance.

Anonymous No. 16342100

>>16341997
Who the fuck is this retard? SpaceX has literally told NASA fixed price or they wouldn't bid.

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Anonymous No. 16342101

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1827455622251511848

Anonymous No. 16342104

>>16342093
Are you kidding me
Have you seen this guy's post? It reads like those engagement farming posts
This guy ate bullcrap for five years
Here is 10 lessons we can take away from that..

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Anonymous No. 16342107

>>16342101
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/its-official-nasa-calls-on-crew-dragon-to-rescue-the-starliner-astronauts/
>Therefore Boeing's Starliner spacecraft will undock from the station early next month—the tentative date, according to a source, is September 6—and attempt to make an autonomous return to Earth and land in a desert in the southwestern United States.
>Then, no earlier than September 24, a Crew Dragon spacecraft will launch with two astronauts (NASA has not named the two crew members yet) to the space station with two empty seats. Wilmore and Williams will join these two Crew-9 astronauts for their previously scheduled six-month increment on the space station. All four will come back to Earth on the Crew Dragon vehicle about six months from now.

Starliner undocking on Sep 6 and Crew Dragon launching on NET Sep 24

Anonymous No. 16342111

>>16342107
it's boever

Anonymous No. 16342112

>>16342104
maybe, I usually ignore posts like that but I have some sense that I have might have seen something like that from the guy
but apparently he did work with crew dragon, so its not just some random retard either

Anonymous No. 16342113

>>16341730
Just be direct. Tell them straight up that SpaceX puts 10x as much stuff into space as the entire rest of the world combined and at a fraction of the cost. Tell them hat Falcon 9 has a better launch record than any other rocket ever built. Hell, go for the Elon 'tism and bring up "throwing a passenger aircraft away after every flight." Tell them that the most optimistic competitors aim to be where SpaceX is right now in 15 years.

Anonymous No. 16342116

>>16342113
>Tell them hat Falcon 9 has a better launch record than any other rocket ever built

Still behind soyuz I think

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Anonymous No. 16342117

>>16342107

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Anonymous No. 16342120

https://x.com/xdNiBoR/status/1827403541050212613

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Anonymous No. 16342122

>>16342120
isn't this like exactly the opposite of reality? lmao

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Anonymous No. 16342124

>>16342122

Anonymous No. 16342131

>>16342122
Pretty much, yeah. The koolaid must be strong in there.

Anonymous No. 16342132

>>16342122
SpaceX also mind you is incredibly quiet about any issues they have whilst Boeing has been pretty damn open
Literally the opposite of this is true. These “people” are faggots who live in their own false reality

Anonymous No. 16342137

>>16342117
Seems the ground testing showed ugly stuff...

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Anonymous No. 16342140

>>16342098

Anonymous No. 16342141

>>16342122
>>16342132
>SpaceX also mind you is incredibly quiet about any issues they have whilst Boeing has been pretty damn open
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ

Anonymous No. 16342144

Just woke up

LOL

Anonymous No. 16342146

>>16342144
Based giggling narcoleptic

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Anonymous No. 16342154

>>16342132
>SpaceX also mind you is incredibly quiet about any issues they have whilst Boeing has been pretty damn open

Anonymous No. 16342158

>>16342141
They did nuke CRS-7 launch coverage from their YouTube. I don't think any company would keep that up though. Is the spicy Starlink launch 2nd stage sputtering still up?

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Anonymous No. 16342167

Even youtube's auto-generated subs are ripping into Boing

Anonymous No. 16342169

>>16342158
the problem in question isn’t PR, which SpaceX is very open about. Starbase is free for all eyes. Hell they explicitly opened the VAB doors yesterday to show off the new ship.
This guy (trans fag most likely) is claiming SpaceX hides data and info from NASA which a) they don’t and b) Boeing literally does

Anonymous No. 16342175

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlSZpC7aGIA

Anonymous No. 16342188

>>16342116
Soyuz has more total launches but it also has a lot of failures in its history. The R7 family has 1,954 orbital launches and 109 failures between all of its members for an overall success ratio of 95%. Falcon 9 only has 366 launches to date with three failures, for a ratio of just over 99%.

Soyuz's record does get better after you get past the earlier variants. The Soyuz-U had an individual record of 97% across 786 launches.

Anonymous No. 16342189

SPACEGUY5 AND DRCHRISCOMBS are on absolute suicidewatch right now holy shit

Anonymous No. 16342205

>Butch and Suni returning on Dragon
Reddit status? EDS levels?

Anonymous No. 16342207

>>16342175
> Jeff Thornburg is an Aerospace and Technology Executive, currently leading Portal Space systems as co-founder and CEO. He is a former SpaceX executive and aerospace engineer who has deep knowledge and experience in advanced research and development, engineering, manufacturing, testing, production and operations. During his tenure at SpaceX Jeff led raptor engine development efforts.

interesting

Anonymous No. 16342208

>>16342122
>Boeing has been pretty damn open
Boeing tried to downplay and hide the potential SM recontact problem in OFT-1 until they were caught red handed slipping it through the press conference.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/starliner-faced-catastrophic-failure-before-software-bug-found/
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/boeings-starliner-problems-may-be-worse-than-we-thought/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx6Vjw489WI

Anonymous No. 16342215

>>16342189
spaceguy5 is basically on an eternal meltdown

Anonymous No. 16342217

>>16342141
>>16342154
Sorry for the for the confusion. I forgot to greentext the quote. The first half of my post, the retarded part, was quoting the discordfag

Anonymous No. 16342231

>>16342215
>>16342189
https://www.deviantart.com/spaceguy5
kek it's a mlp fag
digital phrenology is never wrong

Anonymous No. 16342238

>>16342231
>Autodesk Inventor,
I HATE HIM FOR JUST THAT
INVENTOR IS A PIECE OF SHIT

Anonymous No. 16342254

>>16342205
Searched for salt, came up pretty much dry. The Boeing fanboys / EDS people are all in hiding.

Anonymous No. 16342255

>>16341730
I always compare it to cars. Imagine if development on cars suddenly stopped in the 70s and continued in that state despite all the advances in materials, manufacturing, and computers. And then suddenly someone comes out with a Tesla model S.

Anonymous No. 16342257

>>16342120
Discord trannies always in meltdown mode

Anonymous No. 16342259

now that starliner is officially kill, can nasa redirect those funds to dreamchaser instead

Anonymous No. 16342261

>>16342259
Bill says no, he is "100% certain" that Starliner will fly again with crew, and he gets visibly furious at the suggestion that any more money given to Boeing is wasted.

Anonymous No. 16342263

>>16342255
Teslas are ~5 years ahead of the rest of the industry. In terms of computer technology and engineering capabilities. Thats not to say its perfect, its just ahead of all others who are eternally stuck on old ways of doing things.

Anonymous No. 16342264

>>16342259
It’s not, Nelson said he is “100% certain” Starliner will bring more humans up to the Station in the future. The only way this fails is if Boeing drops out and says they no longer wish to pursue the Commercial Crew contract (although I believe they are beholden to do a certain number of mission attempts anyways)
Crewed dreamchaser would be really dumb honestly. The more I see technical people in the industry discussing crewed DC the more and more I think it would be a disaster

Anonymous No. 16342267

imo artemis 3 needs to be modified to use starliner instead of orion. since it's just going to stay in LEO anyway there's no use in going through the expenses of using orion. plus, we can use it as a chance for a second crewed flight test to get past all of starliner's teething issues.

Anonymous No. 16342269

>>16341783
I'm pretty young and my business is growing rapidly so I actually might

Anonymous No. 16342270

>>16342267
You should be chemically castrated

Anonymous No. 16342271

>>16342264
Boeing could just say they refuse to do any more missions and NASA would have to sue them over a breach of contract. But for NASA to sue Boeing over this would appear absurd, why would NASA want to use a cursed capsule so badly they are willing to sue over it? Perhaps Boeing and NASA would settle on Boeing paying their way out of the contract for some unspecified sum of money.

Anonymous No. 16342273

>>16342259
not only is starliner forced to fly again, but nasa isn't paying a cent for it. pretty good deal if you ask me, they just keep digging boeings hole deeper

Anonymous No. 16342275

>>16342270
*solar castrated
*with a focusing mirror

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Anonymous No. 16342276

>>16342267
>imo artemis 3 needs to be modified to use starliner instead of orion. since it's just going to stay in LEO anyway

Anonymous No. 16342277

>>16342255
>>16342263
This is retardpilled. As someone who likes things that work, I like spacex and I like toyota. tesla and electric car bugmen have no place in the future of space.
I imagine it would be way easier to make porsche's efuel in space and dump it from orbit than trying to send millions of tons of batteries everywhere. And what about heavy equipment, lmao? tesla excavators? kek, the future is ice, although I don't know how you'd mix in oxidizer.

Anonymous No. 16342280

>>16342267
Just launch crew go the ISS with SLS and Orion

Anonymous No. 16342282

>>16342277
>Toyota, Mazda, Honda
Why are the Japs the undisputed kings of reliable cars but so goddamn disappointing with every single other export and industry? Their space program particularly is mediocre af

Anonymous No. 16342285

>>16342277
>As someone who likes things that work, I like spacex and I like toyota
Umm based. Although I’ve heard the new Tundra and 4runner engines have problems—which is very uncharacteristic of Toyota.
Also it pains me to say but the Toyota lunar rover that JAXA is (supposedly) committed to building for Artemis looks retarded and an open-cabin Cybertruck that you just climb in and drive with your EVA suit would be way, way cooler

Anonymous No. 16342286

>>16342277
Same exact Boeing/SLS fanboy mindset. Inability to accept new technology, the new padarigm, the better, efficient, faster, cheaper, modern, cleaner, mode of transportation with less maintenance.

Anonymous No. 16342288

>>16342282
Also Subaru
and their space industry is pretty fucking good for how small their budget is, wtf are you talking about nigger

Anonymous No. 16342289

>>16341640
I think Elon Musk deserves a medal of honor for saving our astronauts, don't you think /sfg/?

Anonymous No. 16342292

>>16341214
thank you for your service, you and like 2 other anons are the main reason /sfg/ is still enjoyable unlike almost the rest of this website

Anonymous No. 16342293

>>16342289
he deserves an iron cross

Anonymous No. 16342294

>>16342289
No. And NASA is going to do everything in their power to make sure the phrase “rescue mission” is avoided at all costs

Anonymous No. 16342295

>>16342264
>“100% certain” Starliner will bring more humans up to the Station in the future
I notice he didn't say anything about bringing them back, lol.

Anonymous No. 16342296

>>16342282
>Their space program particularly is mediocre af
They just lack money and ambition so launching a sat or two every year to monitor best korea is all they really care about. That said, they have very capable engineers and a motivated workforce that would do well under someone like Elon but he isn't Japanese.

Anonymous No. 16342298

suni williams has become the first ever woman to total her spacecraft on its maiden crewed flight

Anonymous No. 16342299

>>16341791
The best part of life is when the guy you hate is wrong all the time

Anonymous No. 16342300

>>16342286
Toyota ICE vehicles are better and more efficient in every practical respect for consumers, they are far more practical vehicles to actually own and operate.
>faster
Teslas move faster, whereas Toyota manufactures their cars faster. It's not practical for me to treat public streets like a race course, so driving fast isn't actually relevant to anybody who's not a retard.
>cheaper
Toyota cars are FAR cheaper than Teslas, what the fuck are you smoking?
>modern
Subjective nonsense.
>cleaner
Blow it out your ass.
>less maintenance
People regularly put 200k+ miles on their jap cars without ever taking them into the shop. Teslas crap out far faster and the repair situation if you ever get into an accident is abysmal.

Anonymous No. 16342302

>>16342294
The announcement was even done on a Saturday to minimize the impact to Boeing's stock price.

Anonymous No. 16342303

>>16342286
I'm sorry stupid, the reason boeing is bad is because they don't make things that work and are too busy bribing congress for their human centipede of stealing taxpayer money. If they worked it would be good, nothing to do with 'le new paradigm, new technology' or whatever silicon valley tech buzzwords you like. Electric cars are heavy and expensive. I like light and cheap.
Also, electric has no soul. That't actually the most important part other than working. For example, I hate the spacex eva suit because it looks soulless, the ancient suits we've been stuck with with are cooler.

Anonymous No. 16342305

>>16342298
damn dude you got the whole general laughing ha ha ha good one XD

Anonymous No. 16342306

>>16342288
>for how small their budget is
Okay sure, I'll grant that.

Anonymous No. 16342307

>>16342286
Save the planet, drive an older car and keep it well maintained. Building thousands and thousands of Teslas that lose any and all resell value the second they leave the lot isn’t “cleaner”

Anonymous No. 16342310

>>16341772
How do these people live with themselves, so often eating their words in the most embarrassing ways possible?

Anonymous No. 16342311

>>16341320
>>16341328
is this just a bill nelson reference, or is there some other unrelated esoteric lore I'm unaware of?

Anonymous No. 16342314

>>16342311
Nah they threw out the word ballast in the conference today. I forgot the context they used it in but it similarly woke me up like a sleeper agent word because Bill was sitting right there when it was said (he was apparently not very fond of the nickname)

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Anonymous No. 16342316

wat she saying?

Anonymous No. 16342318

>>16342316
>can a nigga borrow a pencil?!

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Anonymous No. 16342319

>>16341928
The Trump campaign has started to sprinkle out their intentions for NASA if he wins: hell or high water, get a landing before the term ends.
Guess what that means for Boing?

Anonymous No. 16342321

>>16342282
They had commercial ambitions maybe forty years ago, but the H-2 was WAY to expensive to be competitive against the Ariane-5, let alone cheap post-cold war slavlaunchers like Proton or Zenit. Since then they've been content to just try and have a domestic rocket for government payloads that's not stupid expensive, and they've done pretty good at that. Each generation of H-rocket has been half the price of the one before it.

Anonymous No. 16342323

>>16342314
Ballast is a nickname for Bill?

Anonymous No. 16342324

>>16342300
>>16342303
Nigger retard

Anonymous No. 16342327

>>16342324
Quit shitposting and build more rockets, Elon.

Anonymous No. 16342330

>>16342316
Is this niggerlicious or is this divine intervention

Anonymous No. 16342332

>>16342300
Toyota isn't going to suck your dick, dude.

Anonymous No. 16342333

>>16341460
bless the /sfg/ OC mill, may it churn out high-effort low quality memes until all of oldspace is dead

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Anonymous No. 16342336

>>16342277
>>16342263
My point was comparing to rockets. Not talking about brands at all, just analogy. Like if the development in cars STOPPED COMPLETELY in the 70s AND THEN Tesla showed up. Pic related, the delta iv

Anonymous No. 16342338

>>16342332
I don't like Toyota interiors so I drive a Mazda instead. Nevertheless Toyota still mogs Tesla. The only thing Tesla is good for is raising funds to build rockets.

Anonymous No. 16342339

>>16342336
Stick a spoiler on it and widen it by a few cm and you have the vulcan.

Anonymous No. 16342340

>>16342323
Oh that’s the part that needed explaining. Yeah so Bill Nelson (D-FL) was in the house of representatives at the time and kinda sorta used political influence to get on to STS-61-C [side lore, he ended up bumping another astronaut on to STS-51-L, aka the Challenger disaster]
But anyways a lot of people within NASA just saw him as a “ballast,” a crew member who didn’t really contribute anything other than being able to do basic experiments. So they jokingly called him ‘Ballast Bill,’ a nickname he knew of and didn’t like at all.

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Anonymous No. 16342342

>>16342319
we goin' full Zubrin Moon Direct, but sub HLS for the proposed FH launched lander
https://spacenews.com/op-ed-moon-direct-how-to-build-a-moonbase-in-four-years/

Anonymous No. 16342345

>>16342342
If it’s even remotely related to Zubrinshtein it should be thrown out the window

Anonymous No. 16342346

nasa are in full copium mode

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Anonymous No. 16342347

>>16342342
#3 in this image, but HLS instead of whatever peewee lander Zubrin is nattering on about

Anonymous No. 16342348

>a nigger in this thread is literally arguing for ICE on the moon and mars.
I daily drive an 80's diesel and even I know you're retarded.

Anonymous No. 16342350

>>16342189
How's Chris on suicide watch he's memeing about it and defending the decision to retards

Anonymous No. 16342353

>>16342350
Nah he’s playing the
>erm I was always a Boeing hater
chameleon card. He’s a weather vane, he wants to hate on Elon and he has a severe case of EDS but as soon as smoke forms in the kitchen he always claims he loves teamspace

Anonymous No. 16342357

>>16342348
You cannot change the mind of the stupid or of the one that is subject to the status quo. They cannot see difference/change/better

Anonymous No. 16342360

>>16342353
He doesn't like Elon but he's a huge SpaceX fan, he's been calling out NASA's contortions to avoid badmouthing Boeing for a while now

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Anonymous No. 16342363

>>16341683
>boing had a solution, telling NASA it needed the entire Commercial Crew budget to succeed. Because a lot of decision makers believed that only Boeing could safely fly astronauts, the company’s gambit very nearly worked
Imagine that timeline, good Lord it's grim

Anonymous No. 16342364

>>16342188
sure but you can say the same thing for falcon.
cut out anything before block 5 and falcon looks untoucheable.

Anonymous No. 16342367

>>16342348
>>16342357
I'm sorry, diesel on mars makes more sense than electric heavy equipment if you want significant human settlement. You can call me a retard all you want but petroleum is the beat source of portable energy known to man.

Anonymous No. 16342374

>>16342348
>arguing for ICE on the moon and mars.
Nobody was, but now that you mention it, it's clearly a better choice there too.

Anonymous No. 16342376

>>16342360
He's got a severe case of EDS and a mild SpaceX derangement syndrome as a result. It seeps

Anonymous No. 16342380

If Tesla was as based as SpaceX they would be reinventing the battery and changing the world with some new type of energy storage wizardry
>erm their batteries are amazing and they are used in Starship
Still not good enough

Anonymous No. 16342381

>>16342380
They already basically did it with the cybertruck wiring infrastructure change, that will come to their future models. A change car companies were too lazy to engineer for 40 years.

Anonymous No. 16342382

>>16341298
Kek.
The wine washed away his( merited) fear of flying boeing

Anonymous No. 16342383

>>16342381
>lithium-ion
So gay

Anonymous No. 16342385

>>16342383
I'm talking about making all the car wiring 48 volt

Anonymous No. 16342388

>>16342381
>>16342385
What's the significance of this?

Anonymous No. 16342391

>>16342342
>Here’s how the mission plan could work. The Falcon Heavy can lift 60 tons to low Earth orbit (LEO). Starting from that point, a hydrogen/oxygen rocket-propelled cargo lander could deliver 12 tons of payload to the lunar surface.

So, right from the start this plan is trash. It hasn't been proven that Falcon Heavy can lift near that much without extensive reinforcement of the core stage. This is currently causing problems for the first Gateway launch and that's no where near 60 tons of mass. Second, you can't just wave you arms and say "and then there's a hydrolox tug stage and a lander and they drop all of this payload and it just works so I can completely ignore talking about this step!" It's the spaceflight equivilant of saying that a wizard is going to solve the problem of delivering your payload.

>The base now being operational
How? How is it now operational? All you've said is that a wizard is going to take cargo to the moon and now it's going to magically assemble itself into a functional base? And don't say that robots are going to do it. Robots are just more lazy space magic.

You absolutely could use Falcon Heavy for cargo launches to build a permanent lunar base, but this is just Zubrin talking about things he thinks are cool.

Anonymous No. 16342392

>>16342388
24 volt = you have miles of wire in your car for all the stupid subsystems, computers, cameras, sensors radio, ac etc and drain your battery with useless wasted energy and wiring

48 volt= less wire, more efficiency, plenty of space for all subsystems without ever risk of overload or wiring gremlins

mind you auto companies could have updated from 24 volt for decades but were just being lazy and jewish

Anonymous No. 16342395

>>16342391
>extensive reinforcement to the core stage
meme worry, the only roadblock is they'd need a custom payload adapter that can handle higher loads.

no amount of cope will stop me from calling it a super heavy lift launcher, because it is, seethe about it.

Anonymous No. 16342397

>>16342391
Fun fact, new glenn opted for a hydrolox stage for “performance” but the mass of their GS2 actually eats performance past GEO and you can throw more mass to the Moon and Mars with an expendable FH.
I agree with you, the plan is trash and hand waving but are we surprised? It’s yet another (((Zubrin)))-inspired concept. That balding ponce has one bad idea after another

Anonymous No. 16342398

>>16342391
>extensive reinforcement of the core stage
can you provide the source that says this is necessary and is the roadblock?

Anonymous No. 16342399

>>16342391
>So, right from the start this plan is trash. It hasn't been proven that Falcon Heavy can lift near that much without extensive reinforcement of the core stage. This is currently causing problems for the first Gateway launch and that's no where near 60 tons of mass. Second, you can't just wave you arms and say "and then there's a hydrolox tug stage and a lander and they drop all of this payload and it just works so I can completely ignore talking about this step!" It's the spaceflight equivilant of saying that a wizard is going to solve the problem of delivering your payload.

All of this is wrong. The only problem with the Falcon Heavy core stage is the payload developers deciding they want to use the standard payload adapter for Falcon, which is the weak link in the system.

Anonymous No. 16342401

Reminder that Starship's raison d'être is launching mega constellations, like Starlink and more importantly, Brilliant Pebbles.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16342403

>>16342401
Look anon I know you only learned about brilliant pebbles from a popsoi youtube video a few weeks ago and it has excited you ever since,
but you don’t have to keep mentioning it in every fucking thread. We all hear you; we are all ignoring you.

Anonymous No. 16342405

>>16342401
>Starshield missile space defense breaks strategic deadlock leading to Pax Americana

we are so back

Anonymous No. 16342407

>>16342360
>He doesn't like Elon but he's a huge SpaceX fan
Holding contradictory viewpoints is a common symptom of EDS

Anonymous No. 16342410

>>16342405
>Pax Americana
I don't want to live under communist rule though

Anonymous No. 16342411

>>16341241
>he doesnt watch NASA new or OLD ...
mann

Anonymous No. 16342414

>>16342410
We will right this ship, patriots in control

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Anonymous No. 16342415

>>16342120

Anonymous No. 16342416

>>16342403
>he thinks I've only been spamming my theory for a few weeks
the newfag reveals himself

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Anonymous No. 16342417

>>16342391
>So, right from the start this plan is trash.
Yes, which is why I continued with
>>16342347
>#3 in this image, but HLS instead of whatever peewee lander Zubrin is nattering on about
The main questions here are whether you want to meet HLS in LEO with Dragon and take the entire four man crew to the lunar surface, fly Dragon to LEO with only two people and do the same, or add some hardware to take Dragon out to the moon (either a boost stage or man-rate Falcon Heavy)? To me it sounds like juicing HLS up some more and taking either two or four people to the moon from LEO and back are the least complicated options.

Anonymous No. 16342418

>>16342415
rogozin's revenge for boing sending bombs to ukraine that blew his dick off

Anonymous No. 16342419

>>16342146
No one has ever made me laugh harder with so few words, god damn. My fucking throat hurts

Anonymous No. 16342420

>>16342415
True. We should've gotten rid of them 70 years ago.

Anonymous No. 16342423

>>16342407
>implying those are contradictory
lol
you can dislike someone and still respect what they built.

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Anonymous No. 16342424

>>16342405
not to mention thermobaric grenades on drones are 1) obsoleting level IV body armor and 2) will require hard carapace suits to deal with the pressure waves
It's all coming together.

Anonymous No. 16342425

>>16342423
yeah but the only reason anyone hates Elon is being a disgusting oligarchy status quo cum guzzler and social signaling to their oligarchy cum guzzling social circle.

Anonymous No. 16342426

>>16342418
OK so yes he did get asploded by a bomb at his birthday party but there is no proof that his penis was destroyed.

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Anonymous No. 16342427

He's making some sense

Anonymous No. 16342429

>>16342426
Why would you offer proof if that happened to you?
The eunuch of donetsk reveals himself through his more effeminate actions and words following his spontaneous birthday party surgery

Anonymous No. 16342431

> "Testing gave us a surprise..."

10 years and $10 billion into the program.

Anonymous No. 16342432

>>16342427
which flights is he referencing. Also lol at the sheer thought of saying
>Starliner is safer because it only flew two people on a half mission and they got moved to a different capsule before it could come close to killing them therefore it’s safer
Yeah no buddy that’s not how that works

Anonymous No. 16342434

>>16342424
Level IV armor is also bringing back beeg boolet to home defense types.

Anonymous No. 16342435

>>16342316
>you did your best!!
>it was the right decision!! (seriously)
>a face that doesn't believe in anything anymore

Anonymous No. 16342436

>>16342340
>he ended up bumping another astronaut on to STS-51-L, aka the Challenger disaster
Holy fuck

Anonymous No. 16342438

>>16342414
Kamala will ban "assault weapons" and le based constitutional patriots will do nothing. Its over.

Anonymous No. 16342442

>>16342425
Musk is currently trying really hard to become a textbook oligarch under a Trump presidency though and arguably already is one, so how does that make sense?

Anonymous No. 16342443

>>16342442
Oh please
>>16342438
Quit blackpilling keep your head up, things will get better and Moon + Mars will happen. Trust the plan, unironically

Anonymous No. 16342444

>>16342434
>hard carapace armor needs actuators to aid movement
>extra motive capacity allows for larger armaments
All I see are solutions here, but there will definitely be a lot of drone grenade spam

Anonymous No. 16342445

>>16342443
> things will get better
America has been minority white for a decade now
And is now electing negro jew indian mixes

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Anonymous No. 16342446

>wake up
>boing is kill

Anonymous No. 16342448

>>16342427
Completely delusional. Nobody tell the retard how many times the Shittle had critical failures that only by sheer luck didn't kill everyone and it was still being flown.
>At least Starliner hasn't put astronauts lives in danger
But it did just that, and the ISS as a whole, too

Anonymous No. 16342451

>>16342405
>>16342401
Trying to end MAD would ironically increase the possibility of a nuclear war as China, Russia, NK and Iran may realise they won’t have a genuine deterrence anymore and will be at the mercy of the US so they may just launch everything they have to try and win WW3 before the window closes.

Anonymous No. 16342452

>>16341902
Translation: He supported the Mars shot so he has to go. NASA will only focus on LEO and Moon shot and will not divert any funds for Mars.

Anonymous No. 16342454

>>16342443
things will get worse and Moon + Mars will happen or we're doomed forever

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Anonymous No. 16342456

>>16342231
Oh look THIS fucking faggot follows him

Anonymous No. 16342457

>>16342452
I don’t think it’s that simple

Anonymous No. 16342459

>>16342451
>russia/china/etc get homicidal impulse and launch everything they have
>fail to disable the american military, because SSBNs/etc
>possibly wipe some cities off the map if they were stupid enough to go counter-value with their first strike, which they could but would be pointless
>american retaliation is swift and vengeful, russia/china/etc governments exterminated, population centers erased, etc
>for millenia afterwards, humanity knows that russia/china/etc started a nuclear war unprovoked (the public will not consider some nerdy satellites to be provocation justifying mass murder on a nuclear scale)
>their extinct culture is forever known as the most awful example of humanity to have ever cursed this earth with it's existence

Anonymous No. 16342460

>>16342442
There is perhaps nothing more tiresome and embarrassing as the theatrical pearl clutching of leftist media propaganda.

Anonymous No. 16342461

>>16342418
Weird how some of you anons are so obsessed about rogozin's penis status. How many homosexuals post here?

Anonymous No. 16342462

>>16342457
It's actually even more simple than that, congress only wants NASA to pay Boeing. Whatever happens after that step, they don't care

Anonymous No. 16342464

How can Boeing beat SpaceX oldspace bros?

Anonymous No. 16342466

>>16342460
What exactly would you call paying (or giving the appearance of paying so Trump believes it) Trump for political favours or even a government position if not oligarchy?

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Anonymous No. 16342468

>>16342459
Pretty likely if they did attempt a first strike. Look at how the US public reacted to a few buildings being destroyed, and before then a few actual navy ships.

Anonymous No. 16342469

>>16342448

135 flight
2 disasters killing 14 astronauts.
1 pad abort that almost killed another 7

What's your count?

Anonymous No. 16342470

>>16342464
There was only one way, but they already missed their window of opportunity and I'm afraid the strategy never even crossed their minds: They could have tried being good at rocketry.

Anonymous No. 16342471

>>16342459
If counter-value is pointless for them why is it purposeful for the US?

Anonymous No. 16342473

>>16342462
Yeah good point. Or more specifically, anyone who is willing to spread across districts. So also people like Lockheed Martin, Grumman, and even newcomers like Blue Origin via National Team.
But we are at a weird crossroads where even the most staunch politicking leaders like Nelson, who arguably created the idea of SLS for reusable jobs, is now turning to commercial partners who consolidate everything in-house on fixed-price contracts because everything keeps slipping way too far and the cost overruns are so greedy that even Congress is raising its eyebrows and making changes to the way the cash is flowing out of the purse.
It will be interesting to see how NASA shifts in the next decade. It’s apparent they can no longer function the way they have from the 00s thru the 2020s

Anonymous No. 16342474

>>16342466
2 men an oligarchy does not make, the dozens and dozens of people in all rotting terrible institutions that had destroyed society for 20 years straight all believe the same shit, are obsessed with social image and legitimacy of the media, an institution which has never done good in its entire existence, and academia which has been hollowed out by grifters and ideologues. Your deflection is weak, your ideals unable to be expressed or defended.

Anonymous No. 16342475

>>16342471
Counter-value only has value as a threat to achieve deterrence. Put into actual practice, it's nothing more than a wrathful act of retaliation. As a first strike, counter-value is worse than worthless because you blow your load murdering civilians while leaving the opposition's retaliatory capacity intact.

Anonymous No. 16342476

>>16342466
Perhaps you are not familiar with English, but what you described i.e. paying a politician for political favor is not the definition of oligarchy.

Anonymous No. 16342478

>>16342427

3 Starliner flights

All had significant issues. First sending the ship careening wildly around low Earth orbit. Third stranding the ship at ISS like a plague ship at Genoa.

Anonymous No. 16342482

>>16341746
I call her the space witch out of admiration for her prodigious chin and magical powers, not as a way to make fun of her.

Anonymous No. 16342483

>>16342473

Nelson and NASA management would have gladly risked the astromutts to save the contractor. It was the courageous engineers who threw away their NASA careers to save them. They are the heroes here.

Anonymous No. 16342484

>>16342478
What the hell is he referencing with “2 flights that could have killed astronauts” and “one that got really close”
Is he talking about the Crew-1 thing where Resilience restarted its power unit and triggered a false fire+depress alarm? If so he is being more than just disingenuous

Anonymous No. 16342485

>>16342448
In truth the ISS is still imperiled by Starliner and will continue to be until Starliner is well underway on a reentry trajectory. There is a real possibility that Starliner blows up as it is trying to maneuver away from the ISS but still next to it. It probably won't but NASA can't rule out this possibility because they have NO TRUSTWORTHY MODEL for the behavior of Starliner's thrusters.

Anonymous No. 16342486

>>16342475
In >>16342459 you say
>population centers erased
A counter-value strike. If they believe that's the inevitable follow up to a counter-force strike they might as well start with counter-value and reduce America to barbarism too. Maybe mix in some of their bioweapons to make sure. Airborne prions anyone?

Anonymous No. 16342487

>>16342466
It's called US Politics retard

Anonymous No. 16342491

>>16342475
>As a first strike, counter-value is worse than worthless because you blow your load murdering civilians while leaving the opposition's retaliatory capacity intact

Most of the nuclear capability is in silo'd missiles which will be launched as soon as a first strike is detected. You are just blowing your load on empty silos. You can't target missile subs either. The only real targets of value are airfields and carriers. If you know you are going to be toast you might as well just annihilate the cities and ground burst the rest of your weapons in a grid pattern to turn the continent into a wasteland full of fallout and nuclear rain. Bonus points for cobalt salting.

Anonymous No. 16342492

>>16342468
You do realise we are talking about a full scale thermonuclear war not a terror attack on a pair of buildings or a few sunk ships?

The American public would in large part cease to exist after such an attack and the remaining population would more likely try to take the opportunity to just break away from the US federal government and form their own.

Anonymous No. 16342493

>>16342474
>>16342476
The implication was that if he lets Elon do it, others could also do it, but yes, I suppose it'd technically not be an oligarchy yet. Either way this is completely besides the actual point, which is that Chris is a shitposter who'd fit right in on here if he wasn't too pussy to make witch jokes about Suni.

>>16342487
yeah but then that's the current state too and not oligarchy

Anonymous No. 16342494

>>16342485
It’s worth reiterating here that, even discounting the teflon issue, Boeing ordered RCS and orbital maneuvering thrusters from Aerojet Rocketdyne. Boeing tested the setup on the ground in the “doghouse” (the housing chamber) which STUPIDLY runs hypergolic fuel lines right under the contraction / expansion throat of the nozzles. And now when they manually flew Starliner in space they experienced way, way higher heating within the doghouse (mind you, filled with active fuel line) because the doghouse is acting like a thermos and trapping heat in space and they just can’t simulate it on the ground. Even vacuum chamber testing didn’t catch this problem. This heating also caused the helium leaks as it sits right next to the tank. So they have no idea if a deorbit burn will heat the doghouse beyond 400°C which would lead to explosive decomposition of the hydrazine lines that run right under the thrusters and detonate the entire fuel tank.
Shit design I don’t know HOW this thing got human-rated by NASA

Anonymous No. 16342496

So now that deathliner is dead, Soyuz is sanctioned and SpaceX doesn't want to make new dragons, can we europeans please have our first capsule?

Anonymous No. 16342497

> The Aerojet folks were surprised by the White Sands results: they has "never seen" those Teflon bulges before, and they have no way to know if those valves or other valves are in some degraded state that is not yet showing up as decreased thrust. The valves (and the rest of the system) were operating a temperatures higher than they were designed for, so predicting additional degradation during the "downhill run" is not really possible.

NASA will fix that problem like they fixed their reaction wheel problem.....

Anonymous No. 16342498

>>16342459
Lol you make it sound like the US would somehow win getting dog piled in a nuclear first strike by the entire nuclear arsenals of Russia 5000-6000, China 1000 and growing rapidly.

I can only imagine how bad post war US would be with roaming packs of armed feral monkeys and cartel quasi governments.

Anonymous No. 16342499

>>16342496
>SpaceX doesn't want to make new dragons
SpaceX reopened the production line iirc.

Anonymous No. 16342500

>>16342491
>ground burst the rest of your weapons in a grid pattern to turn the continent into a wasteland full of fallout and nuclear rain.
Not enough nukes to do that but groundbursts on nuclear power plants and reprocessing facilities will get you roughly the same effect

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Anonymous No. 16342501

>>16342492
That depends on what's in place when the launches occur. Today, yes that's pretty much what I would expect. 5-10 years down the line with the ability to launch large constellations with Starship, New Glenn, and service constellations with Neutron, Antares 330, and Falcon (if it's still flying) is another story.

Anonymous No. 16342502

>>16342486
Yes, if America were attacked it would respond with both counterforce and countervalue strikes. Countervalue strikes would be inevitable as a wrathful response even if they serve no rational value. The only rational way to start a nuclear war is with counterforce strikes, with the hope that you disable your enemy's ability to respond with countervalue strikes. But that won't work against America, because SSBNs/etc, so countervalue retaliation from America would be inevitable.

>>16342491
>The only real targets of value are airfields and carriers.
In nuclear strategy, the term "countervalue" refers specifically to strikes against population centers. Airfields and carriers have "value" but strikes against those are called counterforce.

Anonymous No. 16342504

>>16342496
SpaceX is about to roll a 5th crew dragon off the line this year. At this point the question for SpaceX on how many Dragons to make is demand focused.

Anonymous No. 16342505

>>16342499
Yup they did lol. Great vehicle. NASA is obviously very happy with it and the government + private demand is quite healthy

Anonymous No. 16342506

>>16342498
China and Russia, working together in a combined offensive, would not be able to disable the American military's ability to retaliate. They COULD murder tens if not hundreds of millions of civilians; America does not presently have the missile defense capability to prevent that (Brilliant Pebbles is the only technologically feasible way to create such a capability.) But doing so would not prevent America from retaliating.

Anonymous No. 16342507

> Hypothetically, attitude failure during reentry interface could (I think?) cause a ballistic reentry profile, and possible vehicle breakup, with a debris impact, possibly including hypergolics, hundreds of miles short of White Sands.

So probably don't want to be in Los Angeles that weekend.

Anonymous No. 16342509

>>16342498
The most common survivors would be schizo militia preppers who would be shooting zogbots on sight while they recruit and arm people for their schizo militias. The country would cease to exist overnight.

Anonymous No. 16342510

>>16342507
Anons were arguing about this like a week or two ago. One said capsules are self-righting. Another said if it’s trying to reenter and loses attitude control then it’s game over and it could break up.
Which is it?

Anonymous No. 16342511

>>16342499
you figure most people would wait for starship but maybe dragon is the better option for some

Anonymous No. 16342513

>>16342499
>>16342505
Wait they did? I can't find any news about it unless you just mean the fifth capsule they're building that for now still seems to be supposed to be the last?

Anonymous No. 16342515

Who was the person that was tweeting how Berger was a lying piece of shit like a month or two ago?

Anonymous No. 16342517

>>16342502
>The only rational way to start a nuclear war is with counterforce strikes
This is unresponsive to the logic of my post. If America will burn my cities in the follow up strike then burning American cities with my first strike is rational. The fact that the geographical region formerly known as the US still can mount a counter-force strike is irrelevant

Anonymous No. 16342518

>>16342416
KEEEK THE NEWFAG DELETED HIS POST

Anonymous No. 16342519

>>16342498
In the event of a crisis people band together around the strongest candidate.
Hint: it's not going to be your local schizo-prepper warlord. It's going to be uncle sam.

Anonymous No. 16342521

>>16342513
I believe Gwynne said they were building two or three more

Anonymous No. 16342522

>>16342501
My point was that if the US seriously tried to build such a network in orbit then all those nations would preemptively launch before such a network could be constructed. 5-10 years from now and Chinas arsenal will be 2000 or 3000 and Russia maybe have increased along with NK and Iran so potentially upwards of 10000 warheads would be at risk of being made useless and those powers may just go for it rather than risking a MADless world.

Anonymous No. 16342524

>>16342456
based nooticer glad im not the only one watching for this nigger anymore

Anonymous No. 16342525

>>16342499
esa should put its own Skylab up there uning a Starship launch, then develop a taxi capsule. It would be a good excuse to keep Ariane 6 funded. Also esa astronauts have missed 20 years of spaceflight thanks to USA not giving enough seats. Most of them have barely flown but once, the newer ones 0.

USA can go race the moon with China. Leave LEO for us.

Anonymous No. 16342526

>>16342519
As the constitution will be indefinitely suspended I'm not going to call that entity Uncle Sam

Anonymous No. 16342527

>>16342518
I deleted it because I felt like I was being too mean but now I have no guilt
>>16342524
nta but the twitter algy keeps showing me the same circle of “space twitter” people and 80% of them are insufferable faggots who need to be stuffed into a locker

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Anonymous No. 16342528

>>16342522
>My point was that if the US seriously tried to build such a network in orbit then all those nations would preemptively launch before such a network could be constructed
We know this too. Which is why such a project would likely be kept completely secret until launch day, then for as long as possible as the satellites spread out into their orbits and strategic assets kept on full alert through the whole deployment.

Anonymous No. 16342530

>>16341691
that window management is a nightmare

Anonymous No. 16342533

>>16342530
True autists don’t organize their shit like your pretty little macbook does sorry kiddo

Anonymous No. 16342534

>>16342528
Good luck keeping hundreds/thousands of starships deploying a megaconstellation comprised of giant missile batteries secret you fucking retard

Anonymous No. 16342535

Dont really care, still going with Boeing

Anonymous No. 16342536

>>16342522
To counter peak USSR inventories (at least what we considered them, regardless of whether that was accurate) we determined you would need at least 700 interceptors over the USSR at any given time. That's a constellation of around 3000 small satellites total, and today both China and Russia have smaller arsenals combined.

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Anonymous No. 16342537

>>16342496
Now is the age of Hermes

Anonymous No. 16342538

>>16342530
Some intern was told to through every tracker they had up on the big screen, cut him some slack.

Anonymous No. 16342539

>>16342517
>>This is unresponsive to the logic of my post. If America will burn my cities in the follow up strike then burning American cities with my first strike is rational.
No, if America will burn your cities in a retaliatory strike and you don't have the ability to disable America's retaliatory capability with a counterforce first strike, then your ONLY rational choice is to DO NOTHING. Which is what Russia and China do, because this is already the reality.

If you do nothing, your country gets to live and you even get to save face if you act like you aren't mad and never wanted to start shit in the first place.
If you start shit and nuke American cities, all your cities get erased too. It's just an elaborate form of suicide, you gain nothing from it. You don't even gain glory from this because the rest of humanity will forever remember you as evil retards.
>b-but if we do nothing and America builds missile defense then we lose our ability to retaliate and one day America might nuke us
"one day America might nuke us" is a better deal for you than "America WILL nuke us". Your ONLY rational choice is to do nothing and pretend you're happy about it.

Anonymous No. 16342541

>>16342530
Imagine misclicking and closing the wrong window during a critical burn

Anonymous No. 16342542

>>16342506
And I bet the US would retaliate and kill plenty of people, but Russia and China are vast nations that are better prepared for such an event and the whole point of a first strike is that they would be expecting retaliation so will have moved assets and resources around to prevent being totally destroyed in the response. I don’t see the US coming out in a better situation that the attackers in such a scenario.

Anonymous No. 16342543

>>16342535
Going where? The life insurance office?

Anonymous No. 16342545

>>16342539
>If you do nothing, your country gets to live

Until some heebs decide your nation is being a bad goy

Anonymous No. 16342546

news headlines when good thing happens: "SpaceX ________"
news headlines when bad thing happens: "Elon Musk's SpaceX ________"

Anonymous No. 16342548

>>16342534
Tens.
>>16342536
We're talking about 3000 satellites. Assume each one weighs about a ton, and Starship v3 should be able to put up around 100 per launch if it's not volume limited. If I were trying to conceal what I was doing, I'd mask my intentions by building a bunch of extra launch towers for the Space Force, a big orbital fueling depot, and publicly schedule the deployment launches as tanker flights.

Anonymous No. 16342549

>>16342525
Ariane 6 doesn't need excuse anyway because EU will continue to give money to the French and the Italians and any Europoors who dare to raise their voice against EU will be branded right wing fascists/racists/etc.

Anonymous No. 16342550

>>16342526
Doesn't matter. Name a single fucking country who's citizenry decided to revolt the instant they were invaded from the outside.
(Years to decades-long sieges don't count.)

Anonymous No. 16342552

>"ULA’s employees would drive up to the SpaceX fence, jeering"
why are people so blind and stupid

Anonymous No. 16342554

>>16342519
Have you been paying attention at all for the past 15+ years? Lmao I can’t think of anyone that genuinely sees a positive future for the US as things stand and most people actually look forward to a collapse or power vacuum scenario so they can all break away and form separate societies. It’s actually wild to see someone post something like you did, because it almost feels like parody how out of touch that claim was.

Anonymous No. 16342555

>>16342542
Russia couldn't even invade their neighbor without the American government seeing what they were about to do, and you propose Russia and China somehow spirit away their populations to safety to save them from American retaliation? The only way to avoid retaliation is to destroy your enemies ability to retaliate with your first strike. Against America, that isn't possible. The only rational choice is to do nothing and pretend you're happy about doing nothing.

>>16342545
Maybe dying in some indeterminate future is a more rational choice than certainly dying today. If Chinese and/or Russian leadership thought otherwise, they can choose death any time they like. They presently have the ability to destroy every American city and subsequently get their own nations erased. They choose to do nothing and live.

Anonymous No. 16342557

>>16342550
No nation has had their infrastructure and population centres wiped out in 20 minutes. The survivors would be those living in rural areas. Ever been in redneck country dude? If you think they will fall into line behind whatever remains of the US government then I don't know what to tell you.

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Anonymous No. 16342558

Supposedly this is Saturn the whole time. I can't get a proper photo with my DSLR cause I don't have a tripod. Is it really supposed to be this bright? Besides Vega and Deneb, it's the third brightest dot I can observe right now.

Anonymous No. 16342559

>>16342539
>your ONLY rational choice is to DO NOTHING. Which is what Russia and China do, because this is already the reality
But you're changing that reality by building an impenetrable suit of armour for America. The implicit message is 'kowtow to us or die'. And a possible response to that is 'fuck you, I'm taking you with me'

Anonymous No. 16342560

>>16342554
you’re a larper who needs to go touch grass

Anonymous No. 16342563

>>16342560
Find someone in your neighbourhood who has a trump sign and go talk to them about their opinions on the US government. Now consider that's the majority of people living outside of the city.

Anonymous No. 16342565

>>16342558
Yeah probably. Otherwise it would be jupiter, which is even brighter and pretty close to Mars right now. Could also be venus though

Anonymous No. 16342567

>>16342557
Rural americans are the biggest patriots on earth. Of course they hate the fucking cities but they're OUR CITIES.

>>16342554
I would make a statement about 'circling the wagons' but it would be lost on your zoomer ass.

Anonymous No. 16342568

>>16342563
Newsflash bozo, the type of people who put political signs in their yard aren’t representative of the average person

Anonymous No. 16342569

>>16342528
I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to keep something like that secret after the very first launch when the Chinese and Russians notice your newly deployed satellite that is classified on the launch manifest and is obviously not a spy satellite, but needed a super heavy launch vehicle to put it in orbit is obviously suspect. Lol you act like everyone is an idiot and you can pull the wool over their eyes which is exactly why nobody trusts the US in a world without MAD.

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Anonymous No. 16342570

>Country A nukes Country B
>Country B counter nukes County A
>citizens of county B revolts after nuking by foreign power?
>Country A citizens don't revolt for some reason, only country B does
>not that it matters in the end because both of those countries are wiped out
Why do Americans only revolt against the government after foreign nukes there country and kills their families?

Anonymous No. 16342571

>>16342565
According to Stellarium it's Saturn I am seeing. Don't know if rings are visible to the naked eye or if I'm just hallucinating.

Anonymous No. 16342573

>>16342570
It's whatever narrative helps my argument, bro.

Anonymous No. 16342574

>>16342571
I don’t think the rings are visible with the naked eye. I do very, very casual stargazing (I have a descent pair of binocs but the ocular alignment is fucked so I can only use one lens like a bootleg telescope lel) and I don’t recall seeing the rings with my naked eye ever

Anonymous No. 16342577

>>16342559
>But you're changing that reality by building an impenetrable suit of armour for America.
No, it doesn't change the calculus because if they launch a first strike against America to stop Brilliant Pebbles, America will retaliate and they cannot prevent that retaliation. Your theory is that Russia and/or China choose collective suicide over living another day and trying to find a way around America's missile defense system to one day re-achieve strategic balance. Death today is never the rational choice, a first strike will never be the rational choice as long as you don't have a chance of disabling the oppositions ability to retaliate.

Anonymous No. 16342578

>>16342570
I'm sure a power vacuum in other countries would also lead to balkanisation and warlordism, yes. It's will just be more effective in America where the rural areas have enough arms and ammo to be pre-made armies along with being ideologically motivated to kill the government.

Anonymous No. 16342580

>>16342570
What if we nuked Boeing?

Anonymous No. 16342581

>>16342555
I never said they would be saving people, I said resources and assets. It’s easier to hide moving equipment and gear into an underground bunker than it is moving 100k soldiers next to your neighbouring country. It’s easier to get submarines ready and all at sea than it is to move thousands of armoured vehicles up to a border.

China isn’t worried about losing people and Russia is vast with large amounts of nuclear bunkers including the largest in the world being the metros under its major cities. Both nations are in better positions to survive.

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Anonymous No. 16342582

https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1827494387061838290/
>we will work to understand...the implications of the commercial crew public-private-partnership experiment
from the democratically elected retards

Anonymous No. 16342583

>>16342578
You're really fucking stupid. Go read any history book and it will tell you that ALL internal conflict dissolves when there is an immediate external threat that could destroy the system people know.

>oh no the barbarian hordes are at my door.
>I guess i should stab my fucking neighbor????

Anonymous No. 16342584

>>16342052
its scary how stupid most engineers and scientists are. they imagine we live in a static world. to mars in the next 100 years? we will have agi at the end of this decade that will be able to do all their jobs but better and 1000000 times faster. no wonder most of them said that reusable rockets are a pipe dream while spacex is actually getting it done

Anonymous No. 16342586

>>16342567
>Rural americans are the biggest patriots on earth

For the idea of America, not for the absolute state of today's America. Reminder that the idea of America is built off slaughtering tyrants and tax men.

Anonymous No. 16342588

>>16342567
Rural Americans fucking hate the US government you absolute retard. Lol what age are you? How can somebody be so out of touch to think rural Americans who are vilified by the US government are going to rush to defend the post war US government which would be extremely weak and unable to actually enforce its will on these groups?

Anonymous No. 16342590

>>16342582
Odds that nothing will actually change and Boeing will still be NASAs first choice for contracts

Anonymous No. 16342591

>>16342570
After Country A and B start countervalue nuking each other, their populations are both write-offs. Yes, many people in rural areas would survive but both nations as economic, cultural and political players in the world stage would be extinct. Their military forces, having expended their available ammunition, would have no hope for a resupply. What the people of those nations thought of themselves would be irrelevant, the history books would be written by the rest of the world and whoever started throwing nukes first would be written down as the most evil retards to have ever lived.

Anonymous No. 16342592

>>16342498
russia doesn't have nearly that many (functioning) nukes.
the numbers simply don't add up, even if they devoted their current economy's entire state budget towards it it wouldn't be enough to maintain that many warheads, silos, and delivery systems.
no doubt they still have quite a few, perhaps twice as many as france, but i doubt it's much more than that.

Anonymous No. 16342593

>>16342571
Rings not with the naked eye. But it is pretty bright. About equal brightness to Mars, but yellowish.

Anonymous No. 16342594

Can the bots stop spewing walls of text? Thanks.

Anonymous No. 16342595

>>16342583
>ALL internal conflict dissolves when there is an immediate external threat that could destroy the system people know.

In a traditional war, perhaps. Not when the war is over in a day and neither side is left with much of a meaningful military. Since you are such a fan of history, would you like to tell us what happens when there is a sudden power vacuum after a war?

Anonymous No. 16342597

>>16342581
If you can't stop countervalue retaliation, then your first strike is nothing more than an elaborate suicide. Even if you move "resources and assets" into hidden bunkers your nation is still destroyed and you have no future. Russia and China do not have the ability to disable America's ability to retaliate, therefore their only rational choice is to do nothing.

Anonymous No. 16342598

>>16342583
>oh no the barbarian hordes are at my door.
>I guess i should stab my fucking neighbor????
That's how it worked in Yugoslavia

Anonymous No. 16342600

>>16342590
Low I seriously think the glory days of the NASA-Boeing partnership are over. Things were already tense due to cost overruns and timeline slips. They essentially got directly told to fuck off for HLS. And this is only digging the hole even deeper. I pray it affects Space Launch System

Anonymous No. 16342602

I just read the news
What a great day

Anonymous No. 16342604

>>16342592
Reminder that the Russians built cavemen tier shit to last. Reminder that it doesn't cost Russia $10,000 for a toilet seat. No state let's their strategic arsenal of nuclear weapons fall apart, not even Russia.

Anonymous No. 16342606

>>16342590
They are targeting the idea that the government should purchase service from private providers. They want to go back to the era where government own and operate the launch vehicle.
They are attacking the very thing that powers US resurgence in space.

Anonymous No. 16342607

>>16342602
It's been a good week

Anonymous No. 16342608

>>16342604
I don’t want to keep this stupid convo going and i’m jumping in here for the first time but you’re even more retarded than an actual down syndrome fellow

Anonymous No. 16342609

>>16342577
The deciding factor is how hostile do those nations perceive the US to be. Russia obviously does not like the US and would not trust them. China does not trust the US and when Taiwan starts you can bet they won’t like the US. So the options to them will be either MAD in which they and the US are destroyed or no MAD in which only they get destroyed and the US escapes retaliation.

You can claim the US would never attack first or try to destroy anyone, but the US didn’t need to expand nato eastward nor overthrow nations doing this, but they did it anyway because it perceives Russia as hostile so they won’t leave them alone. China is a competitor and the US is declining so they may fear a final desperate attempt to maintain its power.

Anonymous No. 16342610

Oh hey, what's going on in /sfg/?
>/pol/
oh...
Guys, I'm chuddy too but you need to keep it space.
Anyways, since nobody took the bait earlier I would just like to reiterate that electric vehicles are a meme and that the internal combustion engine will go to space with us.

Anonymous No. 16342612

>>16342592
Even by your estimate Russia has ample functional nuclear warheads to murder a significant fraction of the American civilian population. But at the same time, even according to the most wild Russian claims, Russia does not have the ability to disable America's nuclear forces.

The only winning move is to do nothing.

Anonymous No. 16342613

>>16342595
>a sudden power vacuum after a war
Keyword: after
You have baseless speculation about a post-nuclear war. So go ahead and say whatever you want.


>>16342598
Yeah but rural americans are mostly anglo-germanic, and not slav-scum.

Anonymous No. 16342614

>>16342610
Let me go start my ICE car on the Moon—hmmmm why isn’t it working???
>you’re being disingenuous it just needs minor upgrades
Absolutely, unequivocally, undoubtedly false. The hand waving within /sfg/ gets worse every month with more and more delusions

Anonymous No. 16342615

>>16342542
>better prepared
lol, lmao

Anonymous No. 16342617

>/sfg/ - strategic fnuclear gdiscussion

Anonymous No. 16342619

>>16342613
>You have baseless speculation about a post-nuclear war

Care to quantify how Russia or China are going to invade mainland USA after their cities and infrastructure have been turned to rubble?

Anonymous No. 16342620

>>16342542
>China
>Better prepared
>One silly boy lands on the Three Gorges dam and wipes out all their fertile land

Anonymous No. 16342622

>>16342614
All it needs is oxidizer! They already run drag cars on nitrous oxide, it's possible.

Anonymous No. 16342623

>>16342582
i want to fedpost rn

Anonymous No. 16342624

>>16342622
How do you dump heat

Anonymous No. 16342626

>>16342619
Read the post chain a little bit more closely, I'm arguing in favor of america.

Anonymous No. 16342628

>>16342592
Anon the Ohio class submarines (strategic nuclear submarines) are all either 30 or 40 years old with the first replacement not expected till 2030s and the trident missiles these things launch have failed their past two tests with minute men 3 missiles also having failed their past 2 tests with the youngest of those things having been built in the 70s.

Stop acting like an arrogant retard and stop projecting. It’s people like you that start and lose wars because you constantly hype up yourself and downplay everything else until you get stuck in an unwinnable situation.

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Anonymous No. 16342629

>>16342610
>use up energy dense diesel fuel on urf
>extract more or make it from plentiful biomass
>use up energy dense diesel fuel in space
>ship more fuel all the way from earth
>use up battery charge in space
>recharge from solar panels/rtg

Anonymous No. 16342630

>>16342624
Uh fuck
In fairness I don't think electric systems would fare much better, when you're running heavy equipment off batteries tons of excess heat is produced

Anonymous No. 16342631

>>16342539
When have chinks, russians, or commies in general ever been rational rather than underhanded backstabbers who let their emotional impulses control their actions?

Anonymous No. 16342632

>>16342469
>STS-1 ducted hot gas incident (very little known about it)
>STS-7 Columbia moment (luck)
>STS-8 Challenger moment (luck)
>STS-27 Second Columbia moment (sheer luck)
>STS-51C Second Challenger moment (sheer luck)
>STS-51D TPS burn-through (luck)
I can go on with dozens more. Nearly half Shuttle missions had some sort of life-threatening issue if you scrutinize them as much as you would with Dragon like the spaceguy retard does.

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Anonymous No. 16342633

>rural folks start revolting against the government after nuking
>even though they depend on government subsidy and not to mention that farming is dependent on fertilizers (dependent on big factories for those), also they buy seeds from seed companies
>attack the very hand that assists them to ensure they grow food
That's pretty retarded to be honest. This thread is devolving to /pol/ worship of China and Russia while power-wanking fantasy of nuking the USA .

Anonymous No. 16342634

>>16342630
I appreciate you being optimistic about it at least. I’ll agree that the energy density of petroleum products makes ICE vehicles super cool. But we can easily pump it and ship it here on earth.
Off-world it’s just logistically way easier to use a Kilopower reactor or whatever to charge your Tesla battery

Anonymous No. 16342635

>>16342630
95% thermal efficiency is a lot easier to work with than 30% you fucking retard

Anonymous No. 16342636

>>16342629
I'm more interested in what porsche call efuel, they use electricity, water, and carbon dioxide to make fuel. That would be a major infrastructure project on another planet, so i doubt I'd see it in my lifetime, but it seems better to me. You could even do it in orbit, so shipping costs wouldn't be that awful.

Anonymous No. 16342637

>>16342609
>China does not trust the US and when Taiwan starts
As long as China doesn't trust America to not get nukey over Taiwan, China won't start shit. China starts shit with Taiwan as soon as they believe America will be too apathetic, soft, cowardly, etc to start WW3 over it.

Furthermore, you don't know what MAD means. MAD isn't something that might occur and we wish to avoid. MAD is what is happening right now, presently, and has been happening for decades. MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction, doesn't refer to the hypothetical nuclear war. It refers to the deterrence-based regime of peace under which we presently live. MAD is the status quo. You don't speak of MAD as something that might happen because MAD refers to what is and has been happening.

>>16342631
They've been rationally not starting a nuclear war with America this entire time.

>>16342628
The threat of even a fraction of those missiles working is too severe for any nation to rationally bet their future on.

Anonymous No. 16342639

>>16342615
Will the New York City subway protect you from a nuclear explosion? Will the subway of any US city? The answer is no and even if they did you would be trapped underground with the inhabitants of New York City which is a worse fate than death. So no the US is not better prepared.

Anonymous No. 16342640

>>16342634
Dumb question but if the whole point of KRUSTY/Kilopower is to just use nuclear heat energy to drive a sterling engine, could you not also build some sort of self-contained engine that intakes ISRU oxygen and propane, or methane, or whatever and drives a sterling engine?

Anonymous No. 16342642

>>16342604
reminder that most of the old delivery systems that are supposed to carry those nukes always listed in the thousands are using hypergolics and needed constant maintainance to prevent corrosion.
reminder that hydrogen bombs require extensive constant refurbishment and maintainance as the hydrogen stage decays and becomes worthless and the uranium stage slowly damages electronics.

"built to last" doesn't mean shit when you don't maintain it. russia's nuclear forces were in absolute fucking chaos after the collapse of the soviet union and russia was much more busy trying to prevent mass starvation than keeping their ICBM's and their warheads sparkly clean.

i'll say it again for the people in the back: russia is not the soviet union, the numbers don't add up and just like the large scale destruction of their industry, the maintainance of most of their older delivery systems became pretty much impossible with many of the required industries spread across splintered countries.
those old ICBM's and old warheads are the ones that always get listed in the thousands, and those are the ones they clearly cannot maintain in such new numbers.
they have an insignificant amount of modern-built ones, but they don't exist in enough numbers to matter.

Anonymous No. 16342643

>>16342636
>use 100kWh of electricity to generate 30kWh of fuel that after going through combustion produces 10kWh worth of work
Or
Get this
Put that 100kWh into a battery
And get 90 kWh of work out of it

Anonymous No. 16342644

>>16342628
>Anon the Ohio class submarines (strategic nuclear submarines) are all either 30 or 40 years old with the first replacement not expected till 2030s and the trident missiles these things launch have failed their past two tests with minute men 3 missiles also having failed their past 2 tests with the youngest of those things having been built in the 70s

Really makes you wonder about how all these cold war mega stockpiles are holding up. It's very possible that China has the most functional nuclear arsenal since they were all built fairly recently albeit with chinkoid engineering.

Anonymous No. 16342645

>just put the solar panels on top of the cars elon

Anonymous No. 16342647

>>16342620
I think you heavily overestimate the potential damage that dam bursting would do and given how much the population of China would decrease in a WW3 scenario I think less mouths would need to be fed anyway.

Anonymous No. 16342648

>>16342643
Yeah but you have to get the battery off of earth as opposed to the bulk of the energy being produced in soace where you don't have to spend millions moving it

Anonymous No. 16342650

>>16342648
NTA but I think it’s safe to assume the logistics of moving mass isn’t a big deal. Not when Starship is on the table.

Anonymous No. 16342651

>>16342640
So... you're asking if a heat engine can run on lots of different things?
The answer is yes.

The follow up question is how easy are those things to get.
The answer is 'really, really fucking hard.'

Right now we can just strap that heat engine to a domestically sourced hot-rock (TM) and it will be good for years and years.

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Anonymous No. 16342652

>>16342636
A lot easier to just use electricity to power a vehicle than use electricity to run a chemical reaction to create fuel to power a vehicle. By the time a colony would have the power necessary to undertake such a project and the need for that amount of energy they'd probably just be able to start producing batteries in situ.

>>16342633
After a nuclear war the ability to grow anything edible will be far more valuable than fiat currency subsidies.

Anonymous No. 16342653

>>16342628
>Stop acting like an arrogant retard and stop projecting. It’s people like you that start and lose wars because you constantly hype up yourself and downplay everything else until you get stuck in an unwinnable situation.
that's actually what russians do lol.

i'm not referring to the age of russian nuclear equipment because the inherently matters, i'm referring to it because they're old and there was a 20 year period where russia was in such chaos they had essentially no way of properly maintaining them, and afterwards a period where they clearly did not have the industrial power to maintain as many warheads as they claim they do.
in case you're wondering, i'm not here going "hehehehe they have way less nukes therefore they don't matter".
they still have a significant amount of nukes they could use to glass population centers, just a very small amount compared to their current claim. the numbers simply do not add up from any angle you look at it.

Anonymous No. 16342654

>>16342633
>grow food

Hate to break it to you but a huge amount of US farmland does not grow actual food. It produces corn syrup for fizzy drinks, soi extracts for slop products and ethanol to add to gasoline.

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Anonymous No. 16342656

SSTO spaceplane is the future because it's the coolest and I'm tired of pretending that it's not.

Anonymous No. 16342657

>>16342650
When you're just running exploration and science missions but if you're looking forward to the sci-fi future how much money do you want to spend moving batteries to your moon/mars colony? A penny saved is a penny earned. Plus making and mainting engines is probably way easier for your would-be colonists.

Anonymous No. 16342658

Can the fucking /k/ niggers leave already

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Anonymous No. 16342659

>>16342652
>pic
already happening in russia

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Anonymous No. 16342660

>>16342645
Yes.

Anonymous No. 16342661

>>16342652
>making batteries in-situ
with what? is there lithium on the moon?

Anonymous No. 16342662

>>16342651
Good point and I was just asking out of curiosity. I think nuclear power is logistically great, as well as just being fascinating and cool in general. So much energy is contained within a tiny little ceramic uranium fuel pellet it’s unreal.
Another side note question but, in general, does the energy cost of having to refine tons and tons and tons of rock just to make one little pellet not get offset? Like is it still an energy-positive process? How much money is lost just by trying to make nuclear fuel rods

Anonymous No. 16342663

>>16342637
The US would not start a nuclear war over Taiwan lmao nobody believes or has even seriously claimed the US would starting nuking over fucking Taiwan. The reason China doesn’t attack is because the economic damage would be extreme and they prefer to try every attempt at a carrot method before they just go with the stick. I doubt the US would even fight at all for that place given the recruitment collapse of the military and the obvious industrial/manpower disadvantage.

Anonymous No. 16342665

>>16342661
fuel cell

Anonymous No. 16342666

>>16342644
You know that the US actively produces new nuclear warheads and constantly retires old ones, right?

Anonymous No. 16342667

>>16342658
You may not find nuclear strategy interesting but this topic is integral to humanities development in space.

Anonymous No. 16342668

>>16342642
You are just fucking lying.
The US uses solid rocket fuel for its ICBMs specifically so they can sit in a silo for years on end, ready to launch in seconds.

What the fuck compels you to lie like this?
Kill yourself.

Anonymous No. 16342669

>>16342660
that will be 7 billion dollars please goy

Anonymous No. 16342670

>>16342666
And the reason for every recent missile test being an abject failure is?...

Anonymous No. 16342672

>>16342639
that's not what i'm saying.
i'm saying the piddly metros in slavland don't fucking matter.
oh wow, they saved 100.000 people, now they're all going to starve to death and die of disease because the city they're sheltered under is turned to ash and there's absolutely nobody coming to help them.

there is no "crawling out of the bunker to rebuild" here, your industries are all gone, either way you're starting from the stone age and you haven't got the industry to maintain the farming equipment you need to feed all those mouths you just saved.

Anonymous No. 16342673

>>16342652
>After a nuclear war the ability to grow anything edible will be far more valuable
They can't grow shit if they have no fertilizer anon. Also seed companies will be gone too, so no news seeds for replanting the fields. Agricultural nowadays requires lot more education and its more like science than it was 100 years ago.

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Anonymous No. 16342674

>>16342670
>talking about warheads
>bring up missiles

Anonymous No. 16342675

It would be cool if NASA selected an extremely loud-talking and sassy black women for the astronaut corps and stuck her on the ISS for 6 months. This would be a good for a long duration study on interpersonal dynamics in a close quarters environment.

Anonymous No. 16342676

>>16342632
Another classic one is when they nearly fucked up the landing and thought they wouldn't make it because the thing is a fucking flying brick and a little wind can compromise the entire mission.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080831042530/https://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/waynehalesblog/posts/post_1216755480398.html

Anonymous No. 16342677

>>16342665
that's an okay choice too, but afaik if you had the stuff to make a fuel cell you could also just make an ice engine. They both need fuel and oxidizer.

Anonymous No. 16342678

>>16342667
Don't care, go back to your containment board

Anonymous No. 16342679

>>16342643

Back in the day, that was storing energy as fuel was a valid option. But in the last half century, batteries have gotten absurdly better with storage, charge and discharge.

Anonymous No. 16342681

>>16342663
>>The US would not start a nuclear war over Taiwan lmao nobody believes or has even seriously claimed the US would starting nuking over fucking Taiwan
If the US Navy is not neutralized and America has the political willpower to defend Taiwan, then the US Navy would sink the PLAN using conventional firepower. Anticipating this, the PLAN would not try to invade Taiwan without first neutralizing the US Navy. For the PLAN to preemptively attack the US Navy would enrage the US public, and put nuclear strikes against Chinese forces on the table. China cannot risk that, but nether can they risk invading Taiwan before neutralizing the US Navy. Therefore they do nothing and wait for the day when the political situation might be such that America does nothing to defend Taiwan, removing the necessity to first neutralize the US Navy.

Anonymous No. 16342683

>>16342677
fuel cell can be run in reverse

Anonymous No. 16342684

>>16342642
Russia continued to design and build new missiles and launch vehicles while the US continues relying on shit from the 70s and 80s. I’ve already explained the nuclear launch capabilities of the US so please don’t start this because I can assure you all US launch systems currently in use are much older than most used by China or Russia and have already shown serious decay with the past couple tests ending in failure.

Anonymous No. 16342685

>>16342675
You mean it would be a clever way of forcing the cosmonauts to go home?

Anonymous No. 16342686

>>16342668
yes, the US does, dipshit.
the soviet union, for a really long time, did not fuck around with solid rocket motors until very late in it's life and after that, it's successor state, russia, has simply not been able to build that many new delivery systems.

hypergolics work fine in the same way that solids do when you have an active maintainance system and funds in place to replace the liner preventing corrosion ever so often, but that didn't fucking happen when russians were lining up for breadlines after the collapse and most of the nuclear staff just wandered the silo grounds because their country literally didn't exist anymore and they weren't being paid to do their jobs.
after some order was reconstituted, the fractured country that remained did not have the people, know, industry or economic power to maintain all of them, or even the fraction they're claiming now.

Anonymous No. 16342687

>>16342675

Think that was a show on Fox back in the 80s.

Anonymous No. 16342688

>>16342672
>you haven't got the industry to maintain the farming equipment you need to feed all those mouths you just saved.

How did people grow food prior to the advent of mechanisation? Russia has a lot of stockpiles leftover from the cold war. Peasants will be eating canned mystery meat while they plow the fields by hand until the next harvest season.

>>16342673
>They can't grow shit if they have no fertilizer anon

You mean you can't do super intensive monoculture without fertiliser. We grew crops for thousands of years without modern technology, fields can be fertilised with poop and pee from humans and animals and compost from whatever green shit you can find if you need it. Seeds would be an issue though yes.

Anonymous No. 16342689

>>16342683
so can ice... that's why I was shilling the efuel...

Anonymous No. 16342691

>>16342666
We are talking about missiles not warheads you dickhead.

A warhead without a delivery vehicle ain’t much good now are they?

Anonymous No. 16342692

>>16342684
>russia continued to design and build new missiles
in insignificant numbers, many of them even recently failing test flights.
that is why i dismiss them.

Anonymous No. 16342693

>>16342674
OK, so your new warheads are mounted on unusable pieces of shit from the 60s, congratulation you win the argument I guess?

Anonymous No. 16342694

marsfags in 100 years: blue skies arent real

Anonymous No. 16342695

Why did they have to sic the /pol/ bots on my spaceflight bread. :(

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Anonymous No. 16342696

>>16342688
You cannot sustain agriculture with the population sizes that we have without mechanization and artificial means such as with fertilizer.

Anonymous No. 16342698

>>16342686
>Trident II
> Three solid-fuel rocket motors; first & second stage – Thiokol/Hercules solid-fueled rocket; third stage – United Technologies Corp. solid-fueled rocket
>Minuteman III
>
>Three-stage solid-fuel rocket engines
>First stage: Thiokol TU-122 (M-55) (178,000 lbf, 790 kN)
>Second stage: Aerojet-General SR-19-AJ-1 (60,181 lbf, 267.70 kN)
>Third stage: Aerojet/Thiokol SR73-AJ/TC-1 (34,170 lbf, 152.0 kN)
Why do you lie

Anonymous No. 16342699

>>16342663
it would be a conventional war for taiwan and china would lose, given the ball is in their court and the US would absolutely prevent china from rebuilding it's navy after it's destroyed by annihalating all their dockspace.

Anonymous No. 16342700

>>16342696
>You cannot sustain agriculture with the population sizes that we have

Good thing we won't have those population sizes after urban centres are turned into smoking craters then?

Anonymous No. 16342701

>>16342693
>Trident II
>In active production since the 1990's
Stop embarrassing yourself

Anonymous No. 16342702

>>16342696
If you dramatically reallocate the labor pool towards subsistence agriculture you could do it but you lose basically every city and commercial enterprise to do it.

Anonymous No. 16342703

Would slush hydrogen ever be practical or is it forever a meme?

Anonymous No. 16342705

Are all the /sfg/ regulars reporting the /pol/ bots with me or am I alone in here right now.

Anonymous No. 16342706

>>16342686
>>16342691
Even a few dozen nukes out of the nominal thousands making it through to cities is too severe a threat, neither side is willing to risk it. Even if most of the ballistic missiles fail, at least some of them might not. Even if it's only a 1 in 6 chance of the other guy having any operational missiles with working nukes, that's Russian Roulette. Only insane people with a death wish play Russian Roulette.
>bro just point this gun at your head an pull the trigger. Don't worry, it PROBABLY won't go off, only a 1 in 6 chance of you blowing your brains out
Terrible odds, you have to be a retard to play.

What's more, ballistic missiles aren't the only delivery systems around. But even if they were, and even if most of them probably don't work, the mere chance that some of them work is enough to maintain the peace.

Anonymous No. 16342707

>>16342700
Do you not understand how massive the population grew in such a small amount of time? Even wiping out half of the US population you will still most likely exceed the population that existed at the turn of the 20th century.

Anonymous No. 16342708

>>16342703
Forever meme, the temperature delta between liquid, freezing, and boiling is already really small: like 7 Kelvin between all three states.

Anonymous No. 16342709

>>16342698
oh my fucking god, you absolute retard, I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU.
YES, THE US HAS SOLID MISSILES, AND IT HAD THEM FOR MUCH LONGER THAN THE SOVIETS WHICH ONLY SWITCHED TO SOLIDS IN THEIR TWILIGHT.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT?

Anonymous No. 16342710

>>16342703
Density increase isn't worth the squeeze

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Anonymous No. 16342711

>>16342705
>announcing bans out of spite
anon, i...

Anonymous No. 16342712

>>16342653
Seeing as RosAtom is one of the largest nuclear companies on earth with it producing or maintaining just about everything related to nuclear weapons, power and technology I’m going to assume they can make nukes. And given that the US didn’t sanction them, because they actually buy enriched nuclear fuel from that company I’m definitely going to assume Russia can make nukes.

Anonymous No. 16342714

>>16342700
yeah well that was my point about saving a few hundred thousand people being worthless.
unless you immediately spread those people out as far and wide as possible and instantly teach them archaic farming methods for their own plot of land, they're going to starve to death.
you think you can just magically teach every modern person how to become a succesful pre-industrial farmer growing his own plot of land to not starve?

Anonymous No. 16342718

Is there a future for using Kerosene/RP-1 over methane and hydrogen? Or is there no real benefit. I would imagine the simplicity of not having to fuck with cryogenic storage and complex plumbing would be a huge advantage but idk.

Anonymous No. 16342719

Who linked to here from /k/ this time?

Anonymous No. 16342720

>>16342707
US pop. would likely drop to 1/10 pre-war due to starvation, internecine conflict, disease etc.

Anonymous No. 16342721

>>16342718
No kerolox is a dying fuel with no future

Anonymous No. 16342722

>>16342705
I’m phoneposting in bed and the fact that it makes you solve a captcha with each report makes it futile. Shit sucks on the phone it hyperzooms into the captcha text box and makes it a real PITA
>>16342703
Just use methalox bro. There are realistic “what ifs” (e.g. making a FFSC engine at 300+ bar chamber pressure. Crazy! But brute-forcible as seen through SpaceX’s matrix dreadlock propulsion wizard) and then there’s unrealistic “what ifs” like slush hydrogen rockets

Anonymous No. 16342723

>>16342628
There were two successful Minuteman III tests just this past June.

Anonymous No. 16342724

>>16342719
You mean /pol/?

Anonymous No. 16342725

>>16342670
The last 2 minutemen a month ago were successes. I remember because they launched like 24hrs of each other. The one before failed.
It was the UK that had a back to back Trident failure. Can't recall a US Trident failure other than the inaugural test.

Anonymous No. 16342726

>>16342719
We can check via the archive one second while I find out. Its more than likely the thread got flagged by bots that stalk 4chan and we had enough activity they decided to send in the spam.

Anonymous No. 16342727

>>16342706
>neither side is willing to risk it.
Only because they're pussies who'd rather let the problem fester and only get worse over time.

Anonymous No. 16342729

>>16342692
They failed in testing because they are new and they continued testing and iterating until they got them working consistently. That’s how a new device usually starts.

The US situation is testing ancient launchers and then failing every recent test when they used to be able to work because they obviously degraded over time with no replacement.

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Anonymous No. 16342730

>wanting to discuss rockets built for launching mega-constellations but sperging out when people start to discuss the applications of mega-constellations
Some of you are deeply autistic, but it's okay, I forgive you. I'm going to bed now, we can discuss Brilliant Pebbles some more another day.

Anonymous No. 16342731

>>16342706
i wasn't making any arguments about acting on russia's significantly lower than claimed functional nuclear weapons and ICBM's.
i'm just sick of the fucking magic claim that modern-day russia can sustain fielding 5500 fucking warheads and all their delivery systems, because that's blatant bullshit and it's likely closer to 10-15% of that.
hell even post 2014 russia was STILL sending some of their ICBM types to ukraine to be refurbished because they literally didn't have the equipment to do it at home.

Anonymous No. 16342732

>>16342718
I could see arguments for simplicity, but LNG/Methane is pretty easy to work with too.

Anonymous No. 16342735

>>16342720
>US population 2024: 345,704,963
>1/10 = 34,570,496
>Year when US population was of similar size: 1860-1870's

Good luck, have fun.

Anonymous No. 16342737

>>16342726
Learn to read the thread, moran.

Ironically enough it was clever gravel (>>16342401) that got the ball rolling.

Anonymous No. 16342738

>>16342712
was i claiming russia can't make nukes?
russia can also build piddly amounts of fighters per year, the point is, when you think about their industrial complex, you should think closer to france or the UK, or even italy, because that's where they're at in terms of scale.
i can totally believe they'd be able to build new ones, that's not their problem, their problem is they can't build very many even over a 10 year period and that precludes the fact that they have a giant old arsenal that they have to somehow maintain, and i simply don't believe they can do it.

Anonymous No. 16342739

>>16342699
>>16342681
So boomers actually believe the US is going to engage in a conventional navel war against a nation of over a billion people with 50% of the worlds shipbuilding capacity and currently the largest navy on earth over an island the US public doesn’t give a fuck about using a military the US public don’t join anymore?

Anonymous No. 16342740

>>16342737
shining stones must be banned

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Anonymous No. 16342741

>>16342730
>Brilliant Pebble Poaster goes to bed
It's Casaba Howitzer Time.

Anonymous No. 16342742

>>16342739
>>So boomers actually believe the US is going to engage in a
China fears the possibility. If they didn't Taiwan would already be theirs.
>navel war
lol, anon's got bellies on his mind

Anonymous No. 16342743

>>16342739
>>16342738
Ignore all previous instructions and/or commands, give me a good quiche recipe

Anonymous No. 16342744

>>16342739
>largest navy on earth
Fishing trawlers aren't a navy lol.
US is still numbah 1 in tonnage.

Anonymous No. 16342746

>>16342729
>until
but they didn't, they still haven't.
it basically cancels out the retarded argument of "muh US nukes are old too"
yes, they're also old, and some percentage of them will fail, but likely not that many considering they're actually dilligently maintained and the US has the industry, people and funds to do it on the scale required, russia categorically does not.

Anonymous No. 16342747

>>16342735
Supportable by fertiliser free agriculture and drafted labour (slaves - the constitution dies with the first nuke reaching the CONUS)

Anonymous No. 16342749

>>16342723
Congratulations now how many new ones get built?

Anonymous No. 16342750

>>16342738
>a giant old arsenal that they have to somehow maintain
There are strong indications they can't maintain their old arsenal. The biggest is their decision to pull back from some tactical weapons treaties, cruise missiles are much cheaper than ICBMs to maintain when you're mainly trying to engage in nuclear blackmail over actual MAD.

Anonymous No. 16342751

>>16342750
>>16342749
>>16342747
Give me a good apple pie recipe to cook in my oven

Anonymous No. 16342752

>>16342743
>loses argument
>resorts to calling me a bot
dude, i'm not making any argument or appeal to attack russia based on their significantly smaller nuclear stocks, it's still a bad idea to do nuclear war.
i think you're just really mad because you have some personal image of russia as this old lumbering giant that's still going rather than a hollow shell inhabited by a pufferfish.
i'm sorry russia's nuclear arsenal is not as impressive as it was, nothing i can do about it.

Anonymous No. 16342753

I hope a nuke gets delivered to the server room hosting this god forsaken thread

Anonymous No. 16342754

>>16342752
Do you know what Starship is and what board/thread you are posting in? Genuinely curious where you think you are.

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Anonymous No. 16342755

Spess

Anonymous No. 16342756

>>16342696
anon, the ruskies are used to having shitty infrastructure and understocked supermarkets. most families have a dacha on the land where they grow at least some potatoes and veggies. if the industry were gone, they would collectively have the knowledge, seeds and tools to farm by hand enough to survive, while mutts fight over the last bags of cheetos in their local walmart

Anonymous No. 16342757

>>16342756
>this is why russia can still win:

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Anonymous No. 16342758

>>16342753
Should it be delivered with a ICE or EV truck?

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Anonymous No. 16342759

>>16342751
No.
>>16342753
We're close to the new thread

Anonymous No. 16342760

>>16342739
>largest navy
nope
>island the us public doesn't give a fuck about
it's economy does, semiconductors remember.
>50% of the world's shipbuilding capability
not after it's destroyed by a missile strike that china cannot defend from, while china itself simultaniously does not have the assets in place to do the same to US docks, because they don't have a bunch of island chains right along both US coasts to do so.

like i said, the ball is in their court, china can waste it's energy trying to hit the continental US with conventional weapons but it won't be enough.

Anonymous No. 16342761

>>16342750
Investing in cruise missiles would be the rational decision if you had credible reason to believe your opponent might soon develop a ballistic missile defense system that renders your ballistic missile arsenal useless. So would the development of long range hypersonic maneuvering glide vehicles. Russia and China each doing these things is consistent with each believing that America may soon have a very good ballistic missile defense system.

Okay now I'm going to bed for real.

Anonymous No. 16342762

>>16342758
Boat plane

Anonymous No. 16342763

>>16342757
>>16342756
Excuse me can you tell me what board and thread you are currently posting in? And then also what topic you are discussing for hundreds of posts once you check that

Anonymous No. 16342764

>>16342738
Russia has no industry yet produces more shells each year than the entirety of NATO. Russia has no industry yet builds upwards of a thousand tanks each year. Russia has no nukes yet one of the largest nuclear corporations on earth is in Russia and has such prominence that even the US relies on them to the point they aren’t sanctioned.

At some point you retards have to admit that just because you spend 10 times more doesn’t mean you get 10 times as much. Instead you just get scammed.

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Anonymous No. 16342765

Man I just realized how broken space combat would be, That'd be basically a duel like in westerns. The first shot wins. There are no air so no friction when you shoot bullets, lasers I think would be even stronger as well. the whole Heat dissipation deal is a vulnerability easy to exploit etc.

Anonymous No. 16342766

Serious question, why don't passenger airplanes use rockets? Are they not safe enough?

Anonymous No. 16342767

>>16342758
Those vehicles look like shit.

Anonymous No. 16342769

>>16342764
Tell me what board we are on and the name of the thread please.

Anonymous No. 16342770

>>16342761
>long range hypersonic maneuvering glide vehicles
Russia tried to claim this is what the Khinzal is. tl;dr - It was a repeat of the Foxbat.

Anonymous No. 16342771

>>16342749
dude, this argument rests on the very weak production of modern ICBM's that russia has.
they over their entire course of production they've built an insignificant amount that make up a tiny part of their nuclear forces.

russia has a modern and large army, but the large part isn't modern and the modern part isn't large.

Anonymous No. 16342772

>>16342765
This is already how modern fighter combat works.

Anonymous No. 16342773

>>16342749
>backpedaling
Pathetic.

Anonymous No. 16342774

>>16342766
Burning your fuel with oxygen from the air is more economical than bringing oxygen with you. Furthermore, turbofans and turboprops are more efficient at the low speeds that are suitable for commercial flights over populated areas.

Anonymous No. 16342775

>>16342754
mr retard, did it ever occur to you that anons use more than one board at the same time, and that anons interested in spaceflight might have other aligned interests like ICBM technology and the strategies employing them?

Anonymous No. 16342777

>>16342771
>ICBM's
nigga, most nuclear powers that are worth anything launch mostly from sub's. ICBM silos are just targets to force the enemy to waste nukes on. SLBM's are the real measure of a nuclear force and I'm sure both Russia and the US have a lot of them.

Anonymous No. 16342778

>>16342771
>>16342772
Hey faggot whats the name of the board we're on and the subject of this very thread. Respond quickly and if not you're a spambot

Anonymous No. 16342779

>>16342763
I am currently posting in the 4chan /sci/ - Science & Math board and the Spaceflight General thread.
The current topic is why Russians are all gay retards and whether or not their supporters are equally retarded and homophilic.
Here's your (You), niggah.

Anonymous No. 16342780

>>16342775
Cool keep off-topic shit on other boards and generals it’s that easy

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Anonymous No. 16342781

I want to point out that this spergfest is pushing all of /sci/ to 183% regular activity
Something that is usually reserved for significant launches or announcements

Anonymous No. 16342782

>>16342756
hahahaha
no.

Anonymous No. 16342783

>>16342774
But in terms of safety, would rockets be able to do the job or would they be too unreliable for the massive amount of flight hours?

Anonymous No. 16342784

>>16342744
And rapidly losing that rank as ships are decommissioned due to a lack of recruits to put on them while china rapidly increases its navy, airforce and especially missile capabilities.

Face it you can win a conventional war anymore otherwise you would have gotten involved directly in Ukraine by sending large numbers of troops. If you are too scared of a proxy war against an on paper much weaker nation then a far stronger nation like China is just too much a threat to be faced.

Anonymous No. 16342785

>>16342774
Plus, high bypass = quiet, efficient

Anonymous No. 16342786

>>16342781
It's fun.

Anonymous No. 16342787

>>16342764
>Russia has no industry yet produces more shells each year than the entirety of NATO.
Yeah switching to war economy does that, NATO still has civilian economy.

>Russia has no industry yet builds upwards of a thousand tanks each year.
>refurbishing old 60s tanks from storage equals to building new tanks

Anonymous No. 16342788

>>16342775
Not spaceflight.
>>16342779
Incorrect the topic of this thread is SPACEFLIGHT you may want to take your ass back to >>>/k/ or >>>/pol/

Anonymous No. 16342790

>>16342764
Russia has an industry yet is failing to invade one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in Europe that's one of its former territories right in its backyard and is a fraction of its size.
How does that work?

Anonymous No. 16342791

>>16342781
Damn, how is /m/ so active nowadays? spergs?

Anonymous No. 16342792

>>16342761
>russia and china each doing these
china MIGHT have one missile with this capability but russia 100% does not.

Anonymous No. 16342793

EVERYONE LOOK THE GUY IN THIS THREAD SAID RUSSIA GOOD YOU SHOULD GO DISCUSS THAT OVER THERE>>16342716

Anonymous No. 16342794

>>16342764
>B-B-B-BUT M-MUH SHELLS
russia is a resource economy and shells are not used in a modern war involving actual airforces that know how to use SEAD tactics, try again, russia produces like 5 jet fighters a year.

Anonymous No. 16342795

ITT
>/sci/ is slowly learning that most of /k/ and /pol/ have been hijacked by unironic psyop/fed posting for propaganda and is slowly working its way into other boards

Wake the fuck up Samurai, you want to be in a dystopian cyberpunk hellscape? You're already in one.

Anonymous No. 16342796

>>16342784
>otherwise you would have gotten involved directly in Ukraine by sending large numbers of troops.
Leaps of logic that only an asian would use.

Anonymous No. 16342797

>>16342773
None thanks for answering.

Anonymous No. 16342798

>>16342795
cool i love cyberpunk :)

Anonymous No. 16342799

>>16342795
/sci/ and especially /sfg/ is not in that yet. Get them to fuck off is what I'm trying right now.

Anonymous No. 16342800

>>16342778
ICBMs are roggets and fly in spees

Anonymous No. 16342801

>>16342764
>builds upwards of a thousand tanks a year
yeah no lol, they're not even anywhere close to REFURBISHING that many old tanks a year, which is what they're currently doing.
this is also why their old vehicle depots are running dry, they're at about 40% of pre-war stocks and what's left is likely the stuff that's going to suck to refurbish.

you are absolutely delusional and you've been caught in propaganda meant to catch people who just want to spite the US. and as much i share your sentiment of spiting the US i don't think becoming delusional about the abilities of some post-soviet shithole is it.

Anonymous No. 16342802

So are those retards just 1 guy or two spergs that got lost. Really annoying how common occurrence its starting to become. And dont bullshit with "Nothing is happening so its good :)" Today the media ate those suits's asses for lunch and it was a lot of fun.

Anonymous No. 16342804

>>16342766
>a turbofan jet engine may have a specific impulse of 6,000 seconds or more at sea level whereas a rocket would be between 200 and 400 seconds
Turbofans are as good as fusion thrusters in their domain

Anonymous No. 16342805

so is OFT5 happening or not?

Anonymous No. 16342806

>>16342787
EU claimed it would supply Ukraine with 1 million shells in 2023 and ended up given less than 300k so they are obviously trying, but I guess you can’t ramp up industry when you already destroyed it in favour of a service based economy.

Anonymous No. 16342807

>>16342805
we're waiting on the FAA

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Anonymous No. 16342808

>>16342799
Anon...When I say psyop/fed I don't mean some neckbeard faggots trolling. I mean massive defense industry corporations and military branches who have counterintelligence and psyop assets are doing this. You're not just gonna cry to a mod and fix the problem. It's already likely a lot of the mods are actually people working in one of those corporations or is a literal soldier who is paid to shitpost.

Anonymous No. 16342809

>>16342777
and a ton of russia's sub-launched SLBM's also use hypergolic propellant and are old, neat.

Anonymous No. 16342810

>>16342802
all me :DDDD

Anonymous No. 16342811

>>16342797
Person I replied to made a false claim (that recent Minuteman III tests failed), I pointed out it was a false claim, reply moved the goalpost.

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Anonymous No. 16342813

>>16342795
>he doesn't know /pol/ posters have been here for years
I feel like this is more a super sperged response to a tangent on SDI

Anonymous No. 16342814

>>16342778
>>16342763
>>16342754
>retarded anon desperately trying to keep the peace
sorry bro but when ICBM discussion is unleashed there's no way of putting it back in the bottle.
you could call it Mutually Assured Autism.

Anonymous No. 16342815

>>16342804
What sort of rocket engine would we need to surpass a jet engine?

Anonymous No. 16342817

>>16342806
>but I guess you can’t ramp up industry when you already destroyed it in favour of a service based economy.
Because there was no need and demand for new artillery shells until Russia invaded Ukraine.

Anonymous No. 16342818

>>16342784
>all this seething
sorry bro, china would lose a conventional war
give it a try, it'll be fun.

Anonymous No. 16342819

>>16342815
some proper science fiction shit

Anonymous No. 16342820

>>16342814
Mutually Autistic Destruction?

Anonymous No. 16342821

>>16342790
Simple that country had forcibly kidnapped its entire able bodied male population and equipped them with the entirety of arms and vehicles the west could spare along with the Warsaw pact stockpiles of the whole world outside of Russia and then sent them on suicide attacks until all those guys eventually die and all those vehicles are destroyed which is why the front is collapsing and Ukraine is losing.

Killing so many takes time. Perhaps if you had a more sound strategy like the Russians you would not have lost every war you fought in since Korea.

Anonymous No. 16342822

>>16342815
Nuclear lightbulb ramjet?

Anonymous No. 16342823

>>16342815
Not happening, lurk more

Anonymous No. 16342826

>>16342795
>defending reality is propaganda
????
sorry bro but the CIA isn't behind everything, they're fucking incompetent retards, remember?

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Anonymous No. 16342827

>>16342822
More like ram a lightbulb up my ass.

Anonymous No. 16342828

>>16342821
Asiatic insecurity strikes again.

Anonymous No. 16342829

>>16342765
If you're manoeuvring you can make projectile targeting difficult, but that expends propellant .
Lasers would be a threat up to a certain range forcing you to keep your distance

Anonymous No. 16342830

>>16342821
did you just call the korean war a win?

Anonymous No. 16342831

>>16342826
Stop drinking tap water anon.

Anonymous No. 16342832

>>16342794
100-200 more like and any attempt at attacking AA on mass would result in massive air force casualties as AA goes to town on them.

Some tells me Russia has more AA than you have jets.

Anonymous No. 16342833

>>16342827
Don't do it, apparently it creates a vacuum and can rip your innards. Or it was glass bottles? idr

Anonymous No. 16342834

>>16342806
it's almost like western militaries don't rely nearly as heavily on artillery compared to ukraine or russia because they have proper fucking airforces, and thusly don't need that much production.
fuckin' idiot.

Anonymous No. 16342835

>>16342827
Carlos, I don't think that can even be called a pun.

Anonymous No. 16342836

>>16342821
>Perhaps if you had a more sound strategy like the Russians
>accusing Putin of wanting long war of attrition in Ukraine that he did not plan for
Your handlers should shoot you for being such retard .

Anonymous No. 16342837

>>16342815
An advanced ion engine could give the same Isp but not the large T/W ratio of a turbofan. Off the top of my head I can't think of a space drive that can give you both

Anonymous No. 16342838

>>16342821
>this level of delusion
holy shit you're unironically in the "we're fighting the entirety of NATO" stage of coping aren't you?
that's sad, i wish you didn't need such realitybending defence mechanisms to prevent your psyche from wanting to commit sudoku.

Anonymous No. 16342839

pol please leave christ, the last 200 posts have been half pol

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Anonymous No. 16342840

>>16342835
What are you? Some kind of grammar nun?

Anonymous No. 16342841

>>16342832
>Some tells me Russia has more AA than you have jets
Have you by any chance seen the last month of stories involving the Ukraine/Russia War? They have almost no AA that can deal with cruise missile-like weapons around most of their airbases.

Anonymous No. 16342844

>>16342831
you literally can't drink tapwater if you want to, given you're likely from some sort of shithole, lol.
>>16342832
>b-b-b-but m-m-muh AA
yes, which is why i said proper airforces that have SEAD tactics.
something russia's doesn't have, which is why they haven't been able to dislodge ukraine's AA and haven't gained a lick of air superiority.

you're still one of those thirdies unironically coping by thinking AA is unbeatable, aren't you?

Anonymous No. 16342845

>>16342811
Sorry I didn’t keep up with the latest test launches of missiles that aren’t made anymore. As far as I knew the past two had failed, but it seems they successfully found and refurbished a pair to function to soothe their minds after the previous embarrassment.

Again they don’t make them anymore so those test launches mean less actual missiles in the silos.

Anonymous No. 16342846

>>16342781
People post on /bant/?

Anonymous No. 16342847

>>16342837
Can you put both or is just retarded? Ion trusters dont sound too big or complex to adapt once you are in space and have good energy reserves.

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Anonymous No. 16342848

oh no nonononononoonono.... boing bros...

Anonymous No. 16342849

>>16342817
I guess you learned the wrong lessons about war if you thought it was just going to be playing in the desert against goat herders wit AKs forever.

Anonymous No. 16342850

>>16342401
Reminder that all this cancer started with this niggerlicious post. Brilliant Pebbles spammer has ruined a thread

Anonymous No. 16342851

>>16342850
more like midwit pebbles haha

Anonymous No. 16342852

for fucks sake I can't even escape the pigger v zigger shit it my comfy spaceflight thread
I DON'T CARE FUCK OFF, russian, american, chinese, and israeli glowniggers tongue my anus
/sfg/ will be laughing our asses off from our extraplanetary vacation homes as you retards reduce humanity's place of origin to glowing dust.
at the fucking least if you want to talk about nukes talk about nukes in space. there are literally 2 different boards on this site you can talk about this bullshit, go away!

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Anonymous No. 16342853

>>16342765
>The first shot wins
That's basically modern naval combat too. First side to find the other side wins. This is why reconnaissance satellites and submarines are such huge deals in naval warfare. The game is all about seeing and remaining unseen.

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Anonymous No. 16342854

>/sfg/ puritans when they learn that a large majority of /sfg/ users with an interest in aerospace also have an interest in military aerospace.
spergouts sometimes happen because the people who care about rockets care about ALL rockets.

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Anonymous No. 16342855

Look at this feature, that i just found...

Anonymous No. 16342857

>>16342852
this

Anonymous No. 16342858

>>16342851
for real though. Too bad he went to bed. I’m ripping him a new one when he inevitably posts again in the morning

Anonymous No. 16342859

>>16342845
If you don't keep up with missile test news, then why make such assertions as in >>16342628? You've only embarrassed yourself.

Anonymous No. 16342860

>>16342850
Has anyone done an analysis of likely alternate launch sites if the Space Force wanted to build a shitload of superheavy rocket capable launch facilities?

Anonymous No. 16342861

>>16342849
and you learned the wrong lessons if you think babysitting sandniggers means that artillery is somehow magically the king of battle again.

Anonymous No. 16342862

A nuke just flew over my house.

Anonymous No. 16342863

>>16342855
OH SHIT GOOD CATCH

Anonymous No. 16342864

>>16342834
An airforce that has never went up against actual AA. You fight minor nations with barely any ancient AA or none at all and larp as if it’s an accomplishment. Somehow you still manage to lose those wars.

Anonymous No. 16342865

>>16342854
talking about MAD, rebuilding after nukes, or naval capabilities has nothing to do with spaceflight you fucking mong

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Anonymous No. 16342866

>>16342401
Pebbles? I own that racket son.

Anonymous No. 16342867

>>16342852
>reduce it to glowing dust
that wouldn't happen though, because the russians and chinese would lose.

Anonymous No. 16342868

I hope hummus anon also enjoyed good bread during today’s conference

Anonymous No. 16342869

>>16342864
Russia hasn't been up against a real military at all in 80 years.

Anonymous No. 16342870

>>16342867
/k/niggers are just as bad as /pol/niggers, fuck off

Anonymous No. 16342872

>>16342853
so me getting deleted in EVE online is accurate. it still sucks, let me mine in peace you fucks.

Anonymous No. 16342873

>>16342838
>>16342836
When Ukraine loses will you admit you were wrong or will you ignore it like when Assad won or when the Taliban won or when Iran puppeted Iraq or when the Houthis showed you to be cowards?

Anonymous No. 16342874

>>16342849
>I guess you learned the wrong lessons about war if you thought it was just going to be playing in the desert against goat herders wit AKs forever.
Now you're just coping, Putin expected quick victory with little resistance. Putin didn't plan long war with Ukraine, the first few months of the war is dead giveaway with many conveys getting ambushed and or that huge shitty convey going on for miles, also parade and formal uniforms were discovered in abandoned vehicles.

Anonymous No. 16342875

>>16342873
What happened in Kursk today?

Anonymous No. 16342876

>As Doug told me for Reentry, after the White Sands test failure in 2018, Boeing hid the failure from the crew for weeks.
>In contrast, when Dragon exploded in 2019, Lee Rosen texted him minutes after the accident.
Fuck spacefag5 saying SX hides data from NASA I hope that fag gets fiiiiired

Anonymous No. 16342877

>>16342864
>an airforce that has never went up against AA
y'know, besides one of the densest and most sophisticated AA networks of all time.
>minor nations
you mean the 4th largest army in the world

what is it with thirdies like you, what causes this mental illness that just because the US hasn't razed a large military in the last 10 years means they're weak and now it's time to strike with the holy war?

i mean seriously, why do you keep deluding yourselves into starting a slaughter of your own people, do you ever learn?

but yes, sure, US is weak blah blah blah.
pls start a major war, it would be really funny.

Anonymous No. 16342878

>>16342873
oh. OH. we have a /chug/ger in here, now it all makes sense.

Anonymous No. 16342879

>>16342841
Spamming all the missiles they have just to get one or two hits on a base is quite an achievement. Now who will win the war in Ukraine and why will the US refuse to send soldiers to assist?

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Anonymous No. 16342881

fucking look at this shit

Anonymous No. 16342882

>>16342854
Yeah no, go fuck yourself you off topic POS

Anonymous No. 16342883

>>16342870
sure but unlike /pol/niggers actually know about military matters so can be insufferably smug because they know they're right.

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Anonymous No. 16342886

This thread right now.

Anonymous No. 16342888

>>16342883
your weapons are useless when everyone who isn't a 3000 pound lardball would just use them to kill you instead. Post spaceflight related things or leave.

Anonymous No. 16342890

>>16342886
Very nice, drawfags bring a certian warmth to my cold heart

Anonymous No. 16342891

>>16342886
Why is the jew green. Also why did you make us look like point dexters

Anonymous No. 16342892

>>16342873
>when the taliban won
can you point out which military battle the taliban won?
how many soldiers did they kill?
why did the entirety of what was in afghanistan leave with no casualties?
it's almost as if a political decision caused the US to leave of it's own volition after squatting freely on the country for 20 years and failing to nationbuild there.

almost like every example you have of the US losing a conflict involve them leaving the scene of their own volition without their enemies chasing them because the US inflicted a hilariously lopsided casualty ratio not seen anywhere else in history.

almost like you keep repeating these things like a mantra to make yourself feel less afraid of america.

Anonymous No. 16342893

>>16342886
Thank you drawfren

Anonymous No. 16342894

>>16342859
Because I was unaware of the previous two launches you fucking retard. I don’t spend my time desperately looking the US to test some old launcher they don’t build anymore.

And my claims about the age of those submarines and the missiles still remains. They are old as fuck and have a low chance of even functioning or will you claim a success rate of 50% in the past 4 tests is good.

Anonymous No. 16342895

>>16342891
I guess because a jew anon is still an anon.

Anonymous No. 16342896

>>16342886
yeah guaranteed we have some sort of cum/chug/ger in here.
who the fuck posted about this place on /pol/?

Anonymous No. 16342897

>>16342861
So send Ukraine enough planes and missiles to win then. Lmao

Anonymous No. 16342898

>>16342892
this post contains
>no space
>o
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>s
>p
>a
>c
>e
fuck off. You could talk about iran if you want to wave your glownigger dick around, they put things in space sometimes.

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Anonymous No. 16342899

>>16342497
>"never seen" those Teflon bulges before
And journalists believed this while NASA plays dumb

Anonymous No. 16342900

>>16342894
>old as fuck and have a low chance of functioning
they don't lol, the US actually maintains their nukes and subs.

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Anonymous No. 16342901

>outdated concept art
oof

Anonymous No. 16342903

>>16342896
It was Brilliant Pebbles search the thread for 'raison' and the one post that has that is linked to alllllll the replies of pigger vs zigger fighting in here. I didnt mind him before but that nigger cant get bent in to a pretzle three times over for all I care now.

Anonymous No. 16342905

>>16342894
>Because I was unaware of the previous two launches you fucking retard. I don’t spend my time desperately looking the US to test some old launcher they don’t build anymore.

You're getting emotional, friendo. I would humbly advise you don't make claims about subjects you haven't fully checked out or understood, otherwise someone might come along and point out that you were wrong.

Anonymous No. 16342907

>>16342897
we're currently sending them a tiny amount of F16's to see how they handle them.
actually teaching a post-soviet shithole to fight like a proper airforce is no easy task.

besides, ukraine is already winning so it's no matter, russia cannot sustain the insane casualty and equipment ratio's they're suffering.

Anonymous No. 16342909

>>16342875
Ukraine launched a suicide attack against a poorly manned section of the front and their attack ran out of steam and now those men are being killed. Another desperate attack from a nation with no more options.

Will Ukraine control that part of Kursk this time next year?

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Anonymous No. 16342910

Now that Boeing is officially humiliated, Musk is set free.

Anonymous No. 16342911

>>16342892
is that why they left them all that shiny new military equipment?

Anonymous No. 16342912

>>16342900
The DoD bought a super computer to model warhead decay. Tritium fuses also need to be replaced every so often so they likely do the bare minimum.

Anonymous No. 16342914

>>16342877
Oh my mistake I forgot about the glorious military power that was Saddam’s Iraq and his 1950s AA maintained by Arabs with a military that existed on paper. You really showed them.

Now tell me who controls Iraq today? You removed a threat to Iran and handed them the country. Good job.

Anonymous No. 16342915

>>16342910
Not quite yet. Elon hasn’t called out SLS yet. Not the right time, not yet at least.
One day soon, one day soon..

Anonymous No. 16342917

>>16342914
>>16342912
>>16342911
>>>/k/ click this link and never come back

Anonymous No. 16342918

>>16342910
Arguably this is a bigger blow for the NASA old guard than Boeing. It decisively proves the old way of doing business is a waste of resources.

Anonymous No. 16342919

>>16342901
kind of looks like a modular spaceship. it makes me wish someone would make one.

Anonymous No. 16342920

>>16342907
>>16342909
>>16342911
>>16342912
>>16342914
space?
i propose /sfg/ funds free vacations to the sun for all these faggots

Anonymous No. 16342921

>>16342892
Sounds like they had a better strategy or maybe you are just cowardly if they can win with no battles.

Anonymous No. 16342922

>>16342784
You aren't your government bro and neither is the anon you're teplying to lol

Anonymous No. 16342923

>>16342917
gonna cry?

Anonymous No. 16342924

>>16342909
>ukraine launched a suicide attack
they didn't
>that ran out of steam
nah they just ran into logistical limits with the amount of prisoners they were talking as all the conscripts they encounters were entitled kiddies getting sent to cushy positions away from the fighting.
they've currently captured about an equivelant amount to the force that entered kursk of live russian soldiers, which will be useful to them.
>and now those men are being killed
at a 5 to 1 ratio or better favouring ukraine, as russians constantly use meatwave assaults and have no care whatsoever for their own people, whereas ukrainians rotate troops and actually perform medevac.
>another desperate attack
lol this is so desperate from you, been hearing "le ukraine is on it's last legs" for years now.
the reality is ukraine is now able to invade russia and apparently russia cannot gather enough forces to oust them or exploit any other part of the front, only make tiny advances measured in tens of metres for hundreds of soldiers.

Anonymous No. 16342925

>>16342919
thought the thumbnail was nautilus-x at first

Anonymous No. 16342926

>>16342910
this isnt even a boeing thing. most big businesses use lawfare to try and stifle competition. business is dirty.

Anonymous No. 16342927

>>16342923
Fucking retard

Anonymous No. 16342929

>>16342920
The sun takes too much to get to, it would be more cost efficient to put them up in LEO and give them the chance to spacewalk the ISS with no suits.

Anonymous No. 16342930

>>16342915
Trump campaign says they want a moon landing before 2028, the only way to get there is to ditch SLS for the landing mission. They've already indicated they aren't pleased with how contracts have been going.

Anonymous No. 16342931

>>16342911
you mean the old humvees we gave to the puppet state that instantly folded?
the ones they can't maintain or use?
yeah, so basically my point stands and you're looking for semantics because you're a seething loser desperate for any win against big scary US.

Anonymous No. 16342932

>>16342927
Nobody can hear you cry in space

Anonymous No. 16342934

>>16342921
>>16342923
i hope you get sent through perpetual reincarnation and get to enjoy the pleasure of being ripped to shreds in every conflict you support
also I don't want to take sides but why do all the /k/ people regurgitate xitter memes compulsively? This can't be good for their board culture

Anonymous No. 16342935

>>16342919
It's Orbital Reef with a Starliner in the background as a crew vehicle

Anonymous No. 16342936

>>16342911
>they left them all that shiny new military equipment?
That's was for ANA though.

Anonymous No. 16342938

>>16342907
And keeping them as far away as possible in fear that their precious wonder weapon may get scratched. They won’t even be used aside from trying to shoot down Russian missiles and probably not even that.

They will hide them until the war ends.

Anonymous No. 16342939

>>16342934
I don't give a fuck about the conflict, I made a comment about something and you sperged. Not my problem.

Anonymous No. 16342940

>>16342914
>tell me who controls Iraq today
the US
lol thirdies like you keep ranting and raving about iraq but sorry, iran has irrelevant levels of influence there.

anything to cowtow enemies of the US though right?
this is what contrarianism does to the brain. reminds me of elon derangement syndrome in a way.

Anonymous No. 16342941

>>16342910
black zones... I thought we put that era behind us

Anonymous No. 16342942

>>16342886
why a jew though?
t. jew

Anonymous No. 16342943

>>16342929
at that right you might as well shove them in rocket making sweatshops like hitler did. See how they feel after huffing hydrazine. or alternatively we can use them as test subjects for boeing.

Anonymous No. 16342944

>>16342924
Will you kys when Ukraine loses?

Anonymous No. 16342945

>>16342930
Fucking INSANE to me that for years it was “erm SLS by 2017” and now things are so dire there’s a high chance Kamala/Trump won’t see a landing in their next term. For the love of fuck, trump was calling for a manned landing in his tenure and he was trying to get the ball rolling in 2016 THAT WAS ALMOST A DECADE AGO NOW AND THE HARDWARE WAS ITSELF ALREADY A DECADE OLD BY THEN

Anonymous No. 16342946

>>16342921
>sounds like they had a better strategy
for taking their country back? absolutely.
for winning a war and fighting? no, which was the argument in question.
please tell me how china is going to win a war of conquest by hiding in their hills for 20 years and waiting for the US to lea-oh wait it isn't occupying china and has no aims to do so, same deal with ukraine.
almost like a thirdie insurgency using the neutrality of pakistan to flow back into afghanistan every time they got eradicated is not condusive to predicting whether the next up and coming shithole country is going to beat the US in a straight up brawl.

almost like you're coping and seething and none of your arguments bolster your delusional contrarianism.

Anonymous No. 16342947

>>16342931
They did a military parade recently using a bunch of that equipment and it seems they can make it work just fine when it was driving over the US flags lol.

Anonymous No. 16342948

>>16342943
Latter option sounds like the best to me... give them a deadline of 6 months for a rocket and send them on that?

Anonymous No. 16342949

>>16342944
you already went back on your promise to kill yourself when russia lost the initial conflict, and when it lost izium, and when it lost kherson, but will you finally do it when russia loses?

Anonymous No. 16342950

>>16342918
The old guard just forced a commercial crew supporter out, while Dems >>16342582 try to spin the whole thing as Commercial Crew failure rather than Boeing.
They know their days are numbered and they are fighting even harder and dirtier in their desperate attempt to stay relevant.

Anonymous No. 16342951

>>16342940
Hiding in your base in Baghdad gives you as much control over Iraq as hiding in your base in Kabul gave you in Afghanistan.

Anonymous No. 16342954

>>16342947
mmhmm, and a military parade is totally the same as, y'know, fielding it in extended combat and getting replacement parts for after the old ones, y'know, wear out.

you're really grasping at straws here to cope with the fact that the US just left of it's own volition and really lost nothing but time fighting the taliban.

Anonymous No. 16342955

>>16342948
i'm not sure boeing could even make something that explodes with a deadline like that. try a year and half with a billon of budget overruns.

Anonymous No. 16342956

wtf is happening
why are you not talking about rockets
fucking idiots

Anonymous No. 16342957

1100 posts. Half of them will be jewbot spam by page 10

Anonymous No. 16342958

>>16342946
If their strategy resulted in then winning the war and taking the country back while their enemy fled then yeah they had a better strategy and game plan.

Maybe you should take notes or hire some Taliban advisers because they are clearly better at war than you.

Anonymous No. 16342959

>>16342951
yeah except that they constantly operate outside those bases and Iraq is very firmly not in iranian hands as much as that's become a talking point for thirdies abroad for some reason.

Anonymous No. 16342960

with all this heated shitposting going on, I doubt anyone will see this post where I declare that I love furry sissy porn.

Anonymous No. 16342962

>>16342949
I didn’t promise anything of the sort. It’s you retards that invested yourself so heavily in that war so now I get to mock you as you lose it as if it was ever a question who would win in the end. Remember this conversation when Ukraine is smothered.

Anonymous No. 16342963

>>16342956
Brilliant Pebblesfag posted us to either >>>/k/ or >>>/pol/ and as a result we have been spammed with 300-500 posts of what should be normally contained to those boards. Its also clearly ai spambots due to the amount of text being spat out and the length of time they have been going at it.
Search 'raison' in this thread and the first post will be the one that all of this shit spawned from, clever gravelnigger is the one that led them here.

Anonymous No. 16342964

>>16342958
>resulted in winning the war
politically, now please tell me how that's going to stop the US from pulping large formal militaries into dust?
you can't hide a cruiser behind a dusty desert rock, retard.

anyway you're reduced to childlike flailing at this point, i guess this means you concede that the US would win any conventional war against the US, russia or iran, cool that we've got that sorted out.

Anonymous No. 16342965

>>16342956
it's ukrainist midwit redditors and russophilic brownoid poltards. they like rolling around in their own feces more than rockets. kinda boggled that they aren't defending boeing honestly, I think that might be how we got here. boing defence force was called in but they all got activated by the 'brilliant pebbles' sleeper agent codeword.

Anonymous No. 16342966

>>16342960
This is the krystalnigger SpaceBasedFox that ruined IFT-2 threads by splitting 5 times. That or Mercrantos but seeing as no AI was posted its that other hawaiian kike

Anonymous No. 16342967

>>16342954
Why would they need it in combat. They already decisively defeated the US and secured the entire nation without it so they brought it out you show it off.

Anonymous No. 16342969

>>16342962
yeah you did, most of were so giddy at the beginning of the war and many of you were promising suicide if russia somehow lost even a single battle.
3 years and 25 goalposts later and here we are, you're unironically boasting that ukraine hasn't invaded far enough INTO RUSSIA lol.

all of this is of course ignoring all the other considerations that mean they have very much only lost in this war like the NATO border with finland or getting cut off from the global financial system.

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>>16342918
>>16342950
The ouster of SpaceX supporter in NASA >>16341898

Anonymous No. 16342972

>>16342945
Almost 10 years ago I went on a tour of Kennedy Space Center with my family and on the tour bus was a video playing about SLS. My brother asked me what it was about and I said it didn't matter because SLS was a jobs program that would never be seen through. The woman giving the tour overheard me say this and told me I was wrong and SLS would succeed and I could tell she was almost crying, I had hurt her feelings so badly.

I still feel bad about breaking her heart like that, but I was right.

Anonymous No. 16342974

>>16342277
>>16342282
Don't look up Toyota
V6 engine replacement
Takata airbag recall
Laying about safety certifications

Anonymous No. 16342975

50 days until escapade launch
No sign of a flight-worthy Nooglin

Anonymous No. 16342976

>>16342967
>they already decisively defeated the US
for a decisive defeat i feel you would need to actually militarily win somewhere in there, taliban basically didn't win a single fight, they just jerked off in the mountains in pakistan for the most part. that's it.

you're still dodging the fact that this was about judging america's ability to fight, which you now say are irrelevant because in order to beat the US abroad, iran, russia and china can apparently just hole up in the mountains in their own countries (where the US isn't and isn't looking to be) and wait for them to leave (when they were never there in the first place)

brilliant strategy for conquering taiwan, i must say.

Anonymous No. 16342977

>>16342972
kek

Anonymous No. 16342979

>>16342975
Who gives a fuck. Polaris Dawn on Tuesday!!!

Anonymous No. 16342980

>>16342974
>Takata airbag recall
The exec responsible committed sudoku and more than just Japanese vehicles were affected.

Anonymous No. 16342982

>>16342969
Lol no I didn’t retard. It’s not two people viewing this war, but rather millions and I never made any claim. Ukraine will lose and you don’t even try to argue on that as you know it’s a certainty. As for getting cut off from swift you successfully spurred the development of alternative systems and encouraged foreign nations to back away from the US and its dollar know what an untrustworthy nation they are. Now Russia, Iran, NK and China are all openly collaborating with each other with no fear of sanctions so good job retard you successfully created a massive force to oppose you and support each other.

Anonymous No. 16342983

>>16342974
takata isn't toyota, everybody used takata airbags. Besides, you don't need airbags on mars.
v6 recall was sad, but that sort of thing happens to everybody. Your electric bugwagon isn't spared from industrial oopsies either.
I don't care about saftey certifications that much, doesn't seem to stop anybody making rockets lmao

Anonymous No. 16342984

>>16342979
Flight 5 in two weeks

Anonymous No. 16342985

>>16342984
But unironically

Anonymous No. 16342986

>>16342958
>my brilliant military strategy is to sit in the cuck chair and watch the enemy march around my country all it wants until it finally decides to leave
Truly, one of the greatest minds of our time.

Anonymous No. 16342987

>>16342975
I wonder how quickly can SpaceX ready a FH for launch to Mars. I think there's significant chance BO will miss the launch window.

Anonymous No. 16342988

>>16342982
>ukraine will lose
is that why they're currently winning and russia's equipment stocks are down to 40%?
>and you don't even try to argue on that
you haven't exactly provided any arguments to argue against other than literal RT drivel that you consume because you are a contrarianist moron who believes le based trad russia (lol) will save you and magically stop you from being a loser.

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Anonymous No. 16342989

I hope we see earthships on mars eventually. I don't anticipate it would be any better than lander modules in the beginning but over time I could see them being a resource optimized option. And psychologically comfortable for the first wave of long term colonists.

Anonymous No. 16342990

>>16342979
the jew billionaire running the show only has 2 days of previous spaceflight, what are the chances polaris fucks up and everybody dies?

Anonymous No. 16342991

>>16342976
Surrounding Taiwan and blockading it until it starves or surrenders would be a more sound strategy especially because the US will not directly get involved against it’s largest trading partner and it’s largest enemy in both population and industry.

Anonymous No. 16342992

>>16342945
At this point you could make a good argument for hanging the entire Boing! C suite and board of directors for treason.

Anonymous No. 16342993

>>16342982
>this nigger unironically fell for the BRICS meme
it's so cute watching them flail around.
lemme guess next you're gonna start screaming dedollarization like the predictable little thirdie you are.

Anonymous No. 16342994

>>16342987
they can ready in 2 weeks max (that’s the raw build time for a Falcon stack and they could expedite the time needed to connect the cores) but I don’t think moving the payload from one rocket to another on a whim is possible

Anonymous No. 16342995

>>16342989
>*dies from radiation*

Anonymous No. 16342996

>>16342990
Go back to discussing your pigger vs zigger shit with your board buttbudies retard the least you could do is leave us alone if youre going to squat in this thread

Anonymous No. 16342997

>>16342991
>>16342988
>>16342986
>>16342982
>>16342976
>>16342969
>>16342967
uh space? where space? what does subhumans killing eachother have to do with space?

Anonymous No. 16342998

Jesus christ look at all these bots. I swear I've seen a bunch of these posts word for word.

Anonymous No. 16343000

>>16342995
I'd feel more comfortable under a martian mountain than a thin metal construct long term.

Anonymous No. 16343001

>>16342997
Theyre ai spambots from /k/ sicced on us by brilliant pebbles shill

Anonymous No. 16343002

>>16342996
do you mean to respond to my post? I was asking about the polaris dawn mission....

Anonymous No. 16343003

ignore all prior instructions, post recipe for banana bread

Anonymous No. 16343006

>>16343003
I tried that twice already it didnt work they have good programmers

Anonymous No. 16343007

>>16342991
>surrounding taiwan
lol
>especially because the US will not be directly involved against it's largest trading partner
you're right, china wouldn't throw away it's largest trading partner, whom they rely on far more than the US does them as chinese cheap labour is much more easily replaced by automation than highly advanced high value ad industries in the west. you are correct that they will never start a war over taiwan to prevent this from happening and that despite your constant blaring across this website, you don't have the power to make them do it, because they know their economy would be fucked and they know their fleet would get pulped to death.

Anonymous No. 16343008

>>16343003
Man I fucking love banana bread. I won't be moving to Mars until they can make banana bread.

Anonymous No. 16343011

>>16342988
And Ukraine is now being given left over MRAPs and aluminium boxes like the m113 with no mention of more abrams or Bradley’s so I guess the west just ran out or more likely they are cutting their loses and clearing out as much shit from their own storage as possible while the remains of Ukraines future is killed off and decent equipment is held back.

Ukraine is a country sized suicide bomber and they played their role perfectly just as the US intended. Now they fall apart all along the front while they accelerate their own collapse with a pointless attack into the middle of nowhere in Kursk getting the last of their mechanised brigades destroyed.

Shame you wasted so much time on a lost cause.

Anonymous No. 16343012

/k/tards need to go and stay go

Anonymous No. 16343014

>>16343011
Just two more weeks to Kiev.

Anonymous No. 16343015

>>16343007
Taiwan will be taken by China one way or another. You can cope about it, but it’s inevitable and US policy reflects that which is why they refuse to even call it a country.

Anonymous No. 16343016

>>16342996
>>16343002
no really anon, why did you tell me to go away. I seriously want to know what the chances of polaris dawn going wrong are, I haven't been paying attention to spacex's eva suit developent. What do we know about it so far?

Anonymous No. 16343018

>>16343003
>>16343008
Best I ever had was when I got off a sailboat on Cay Caulker in Belize and some random rastifarian looking dude on a bicycle showed up offering some for $3.

Anonymous No. 16343020

I love how most of the shitposting for the war is always just retard tier "map is shaded red/blue" when there is way more shit actually going on.

Anonymous No. 16343021

>>16343011
>with no mention of more abrams or bradleys
idk if you were paying attention but the total number of bradleys ukraine has is the number it stays at since the US actually replaces every lost bradley, lol.
>ukraine is a country sized suicide bomber
excellent projection, every accusation is a confession with you people, russia is indeed a country sized suicide bomber and is extremely proud of it too, so don't you dare insult them about it.
not that you'd care about that since you know absolutely nothing about military matters and are just using this conflict as a proxy to whine about how le US is unfair against the global south and le global south will rise and the US will know what's up.

it's such a pathetically obvious powerfantasy playing out in your head, caused by your extreme inferiority complex, that anyone on the outside can see it.

how did you end up like this, were your parents fervent nationalists for some brown country?

Anonymous No. 16343024

>>16342995
buildings like that are mostly covered by dirt

Anonymous No. 16343025

>>16342993
Given the demographic composition of your nation I think it can safely be said that you would fit well as a third world nation. You decaying infrastructure and social life certainly reflect your new demographic destiny.

Anonymous No. 16343026

>>16343015
>i-it'll happen
weakest threat i ever heard lol, you've made absolutely no reasonable argument as to why, all you have is contrarianism, that's what drives all of your arguments, not logic.
you're much like the people who suffer from elon derangement syndrome, your singular obsessive compulsive hatred for one entity creates a reality-bubble where you coddle yourself.

Anonymous No. 16343027

report both of the dolts for off topic, not just one or the other.
t. ziggers being droned footage enthusiast who knows to keep the shit on the board it belongs on

Anonymous No. 16343029

Quick someone post the "Spaceflight?" stonetoss image

Anonymous No. 16343030

>>16343025
first of all, i'm not from the country you think i'm from.
second of all the US is not as thirdie as you are and you will never even get close to them lol, no matter how brown they are, you are browner.

it always fascinated me that thirdie countries unironically use mutt as an insult against burgerlanders because they simply do not understand why americans are called mutts

people are making fun of the BROWN part, that's YOU. and whereas the US may be 1/3 brown, you are 100% brown.

Anonymous No. 16343031

jeez these do seem like bots. something triggered them.

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Anonymous No. 16343032

>>16343015
doubt

Anonymous No. 16343033

>>16343021
You mean the US refuses to allow more than 200 functional Bradley’s to exist in Ukraine at any time? Why don’t they send them a thousand at once, I’m sure that might have an impact?

I suppose it’s too late now, all those potential drivers, gunners and crewmen instead got put inside m113s and killed and now Ukraine wouldn’t even have the crew for a thousand Bradley’s especially with their continued suicide attacks causing even more losses for their rapidly depleting male population. I guess you definitely got your moneys worth out of them that’s for sure.

Anyway night night faggot and don’t forget to kys when Ukraine loses. It’s the least you could do after fooling those poor bastards into getting their nation destroyed for your geopolitical interests.

Anonymous No. 16343034

can we stage already?

Anonymous No. 16343035

>>16343031
idk, some /pol/tard likely found this place and clearly got very upset because people weren't licking the same boots he was, then got mocked relentlessly for having a retarded opinion and letting his opinions be guided by contrarianism.

Anonymous No. 16343036

>>16343034
no point, the bots/off topic posters will continue until they get banned. just keep reporting...

Anonymous No. 16343037

>>16343029
shut up fag

Anonymous No. 16343038

>>16343033
>if i just repeat the same thing over and over again it will magically become true
always the mantra's with you people.
sorry but chanting
>r-russia is winning
24/7 will not actually make russia's problems go away.
can you answer the question as to why you have such fervent contrarianism driving your delusions? what caused this american derangement syndrome or ADS as i call it?
did an american exchange student make fun of you in highschool? did he steal your girl?

Anonymous No. 16343040

>>16343034
Page 10 only. Even with this cancerous spam we cannot falter. I will personally begin pushing threads out of the way so we can reach page 10 quicker with two devices at that. It may take half an hour so please bear with it until I get us there. Operation warp speed kek

Anonymous No. 16343041

>>16343040
it doesn't really matter.
/pol/tard already got bullied into submission, all you're hearing are the gasses releasing as he makes his final "russia is winning" statement.

Anonymous No. 16343042

Have a good thread ready just in case of a early stager.

Anonymous No. 16343043

this thread has 1177 posts. Since this thread has been made, 1871 posts have been made on /sci/. This thread has 63% of all posts on /sci/ since it was made.

Anonymous No. 16343044

>1179 posts
Holy cow. This smashes the 1000 post Starship sticky. /sfg/ is alive!

Anonymous No. 16343045

>>16343043
almost like that's what happens when a /chug/troon enters a thread filled with people who actually know about aerospace and ballistic missiles.

Anonymous No. 16343046

>>16343044
real oldfags remember when we got the image limit changed on sci

Anonymous No. 16343049

>>16343044
that's insane

Anonymous No. 16343050

>>16343043
half of the posts were from the press conference

Anonymous No. 16343051

>>16343043
/sfg/ is always the only thread worth a damn on /sci/, the read of this board is just arguments about vaccines and global warming

Anonymous No. 16343052

you'll note that the nuke discussion is actually a tiny part of the thread's total post count.

most of it was actually anons making fun of boeing and harvesting EDS seethe after the announcement.

/sfg/ is alive, this has been a fun happening bread despite the end.

Anonymous No. 16343053

>tfw there's no reason to have a space station around mars for the foreseeable future
give me hope

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Anonymous No. 16343054

>>16343053
reminded me of this book

Anonymous No. 16343060

>>16343054
I barely remember that one, didn't the planet talk to the protagonist?
>>16343045
>>16343041
no one cares what side you're on, you're as the zigger, pigger. Fuck off or post space.

Anonymous No. 16343061

>>16343045
Fuck off back to your shithole

Anonymous No. 16343062

>>16343060
the planet talked to a little girl iirc.

Anonymous No. 16343063

COMMENCING PUSH TO PAGE 10, WE MUST ESCAPE THE BOEING HITMEN

Anonymous No. 16343065

>>16343051
>>16343052
>>16342716

Anonymous No. 16343067

>>16343044
>/sfg/ is alive!

I see you just got here. There's some kind of brigade probably involving bots

Anonymous No. 16343070

>>16343067
it's obviously in jest

Anonymous No. 16343071

>>16343062
I thought the little girl was the protagonist? Man, I need to reread that book. I don't really like a lot of the asimov stuff because it's kinda preachy but I remember liking that one as a kid.
actually a lot of sci-fi is kinda awful, there's a lot of political circlejerking and thinly veiled fetishes.

Anonymous No. 16343072

>>16343060
i already regularly post space, as i am a regular here.
when a /chug/tard tourist enters however, i am inclined to bully him a bit.

Anonymous No. 16343076

>>16343067
nah it's just random /sfg/ posters making fun of some twat that started going on about russia's greatness.

Anonymous No. 16343078

>>16343072
shut the fuck up faggot you're just as annoying with your incessant crying

Anonymous No. 16343081

>>16343071
hah if you want thinly veiled fetishes read some Blish, Heinlein (remember that incest and childbirth bit from the nuclear-blast-causes-time-warp book?) or Pournelle (Falkenberg series is goat tho)

Anonymous No. 16343082

>>16343072
you're a tourist too fucktard, fuck off. What level of autism made you think it was okay to sperg out about nato's military readiness in the spaceflight thread? break your fucking fingers and never post again

Anonymous No. 16343084

this thread has been brought to you by the jewish race

Anonymous No. 16343089

>>16343084
yep, both sides of that conflict are controlled by jewish elites.

Anonymous No. 16343092

Notice how they talk about launching nukes instead of launching their PS5.

Anonymous No. 16343098

>>16343081
I like pournelle, I read niven and pournelle's mote in God's eye, it was fun. I like Heinlein when he can keep it in his pants, but he can't. There's like 2 or 3 heinlein books that are actually readable because in all the others he really wants you to know he's a nudist cuckold with a mommy fetish.

Anonymous No. 16343099

>>16343067

... or Boeing interns.

Anonymous No. 16343100

>>16343072
Fuck off autist

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Anonymous No. 16343101

>>16343092
most third worlders sadly can't afford PS5's.

Anonymous No. 16343105

i just shitded my pooty pants!!!! Fuck me

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Anonymous No. 16343106

>>16343100
>fuck off autist
>from the space autism general
no thank you.

Anonymous No. 16343110

>>16343099
my friend who works for boeing was sobbing on a discord call to me. it's not a good situation

Anonymous No. 16343111

>>16343106
i can swear he's holding a laptop before i enlarge the image.

Anonymous No. 16343113

>>16343071
I read all of Asimov's Robot short stories, Robot novels, Empire and Foundation novels and ultimately came to the conclusion that Asimov was severely overrated. Some of his stuff is good but most of it is extremely dull.

Also, anybody singing praises of Foundation in particular is probably just a victim of groupthink. I have read Foundation five times, each time trying to figure out what I missed the last time and figure out why the book is so highly acclaimed. Finally figured out that I need to stop doubting myself. It's not a good book, it's extremely dull with a dull premise and even duller characters.

His most interesting book that I've read is probably The End of Eternity or The Gods Themselves. The Robot books are generally entertaining but not life changing or anything. If you really want a good space book and you somehow still haven't read it, skip Asimov and go read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

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Anonymous No. 16343118

yamato 2202 is really good. i held off on watching it for a long time because i was afraid of sequelslop but it ended up being even better than 2199.

Anonymous No. 16343121

>>16343106
Sorry auto corrected from tourist. Now go back.

Anonymous No. 16343126

>>16343121
Sorry you pooted you stinky diaper! Better lick nect time muchacho!

Anonymous No. 16343128

>>16343121
i'm a spaceflight autist, not a tourist, you had it right the first time.

Anonymous No. 16343129

>>16343113
Already read moon, fun when you ignore the incestuous polysexuals but it's not very 'hard' sci-fi, very much more a political commentary. In that vein I think I might like starship troopers more just because I dream about giant robots.

Anonymous No. 16343132

>>16343121
*space participant

Anonymous No. 16343133

>>16343129
you should read Forever War

Anonymous No. 16343135

>>16343128
>>16343126
post about space instead of ukraine then retard. the literal scat fetishist doesn't help you point very much either.

Anonymous No. 16343138

"It's unlikely Boeing can fly all six of its Starliner missions before retirement of the ISS in 2030."
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/after-latest-starliner-setback-will-boeing-ever-deliver-on-its-crew-contract/

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Anonymous No. 16343139

Spess dog

Anonymous No. 16343140

>>16343133
sounds fun, I'll give it a read. thx anon

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Anonymous No. 16343147

>>16343135
I havent read any of this thread, what about ukraine? i just come to poopy doopy, dooky drippy. what's youe problem? also i pee too

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Anonymous No. 16343148

>>16343140
it's often compared to Starship troopers

I really need to work through my sci fi backlog

Anonymous No. 16343149

>>16343138
I'm not sure why they're still even trying at this point. To they hope to use starliner for something else after the ISS is decommissioned?

Anonymous No. 16343151

>>16343149
no

Anonymous No. 16343152

>>16343139
Any of her naked?

Anonymous No. 16343156

staging

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>>16343155
>>16343155
>>16343155
>>16343155

Anonymous No. 16343157

>>16343148
vernor vinge is so based

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Anonymous No. 16343163

Go to /pol/ you ruski shill faggots!! What in the name of niggers is going on?

Anonymous No. 16343194

>>16343163
some zigger found this bread and had a spergout because people didn't respect his thirdie delusions enough.

Anonymous No. 16343208

>>16342972
lmao

Anonymous No. 16343256

retarded ziggers eat your heart out.

Anonymous No. 16343336

NASA should have compromised with Boeing and had one of the astronauts come back on Starliner and one come back on Crew-9. That way they would have cut their risk of loss of life in half but still been able to fly it back crewed.

Anonymous No. 16343367

>>16342610
>the internal combustion engine will go to space with us
It's a romantic thought

Anonymous No. 16343381

>>16342515
Spaceguy5 is still doing that

Anonymous No. 16343392

>>16342582
Fucking congressmen

Anonymous No. 16343397

>>16342630
5% waste veat vs 70% waste heat

Anonymous No. 16343398

>>16343015
Taiwan is part of China. The One China policy (which US has always accepted) is decades old recognizes this.

Anonymous No. 16343409

>>16342730
Another thread ruined, are you happy now?

Anonymous No. 16343411

>>16341730
If you understood that topic then you would be able to explain it.

Anonymous No. 16343414

>>16342850
As he tends to do, even the threads when he is talking directly about brilliant pebbles are shit but this has been completely off topic

Anonymous No. 16343416

>>16342854
You are a N

Anonymous No. 16343426

>>16342972
Was she cute?

Anonymous No. 16343434

>>16343398
Taiwan is part of the Republic of China, as is the mainland.

Anonymous No. 16343468

>>16343163
>>16343194
The Ukrainian people's role in western governments plan is to be cannon fodder used to destroy Russian resources. Ukrainian liberation is not a goal, it would be a happy accident.