Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:12:07 UTC No. 16367108

first for zubrin

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:12:36 UTC No. 16367111

second for von Braun

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:12:49 UTC No. 16367112

>>16367100
Does Gaganyaan do a sea landing, or is it landing somewhere on the shidded streets a la Starliner/Shenzhou/Soyuz?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:13:21 UTC No. 16367116

>unmanned to mars in 2026
>manned to mars in 2028
chances of this happening? give me the odds

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:13:31 UTC No. 16367118

>>16367100
First for Muskrat getting jailed for fifteen consecutive life sentences for violating FARTA

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:14:10 UTC No. 16367121

>>16367116
50/50

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:14:32 UTC No. 16367124

>>16367116
50/50
it either happens or it doesn't

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:14:53 UTC No. 16367125

>>16367116
i'd say 45% for the unmanned, 20% for the manned one in that window.
also: 50/50 anon, pls no

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:15:02 UTC No. 16367127

>>16367108
nth for Zubrin's crippling TDS/EDS

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:15:15 UTC No. 16367128

>>16367112
kek, probably sea landing though since they are a coastal country. though dont they have a spaceplane or something? that they could run over some unsuspecting saars houses with

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:15:55 UTC No. 16367129

>>16367121
>>16367124
>>16367125
>muh 50/50
fuck off safe bet dismissers, give us real analyses

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:16:44 UTC No. 16367132

>>16367116
probably 20% if kkkamala gets in office, 50% if the big d gets in office

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:16:49 UTC No. 16367133

what would you do if you were in this position

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:17:19 UTC No. 16367136

>>16367114
So there's a rule you have to dissociate yourself from every asshole accused by ZOG?
That's what this is about?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:18:17 UTC No. 16367139

>>16367133
also im playing kerbal how the fuck do i land on mun??? i started a real game now but cant get it down
SPACE. IS. HARD.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:18:57 UTC No. 16367141

>>16367133
"I see no Boeing up here. *BEEEEEP*"

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:19:05 UTC No. 16367142

>>16367121
>>16367124
goddammit, too late.
Anyways, the real question here is how many launch windows will pass in between the first cargo landing and the manned mission. We are all here expecting one after the other, but they might fail the first landings and have to do significant changes to the vehicle to try it out again 26 months later.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:19:08 UTC No. 16367143

>>16367129
Starship could possibly do Mars in 2026 but Manned to Mars in 2028 ain't happening. It will take a lot longer than that to get all the human support and habitat development work done.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:19:26 UTC No. 16367145

>>16367139
1. turn on sas
2. click on circle with x in it
3. press z
4. land

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:19:44 UTC No. 16367148

>>16367116
0% if we're being honest. 2 years isnt enough when the Starship barely even works

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:19:48 UTC No. 16367149

>>16367133
Why does Orion/ESM have a giant AJ10 a la apollo?
And to answer your question I’d probably plant a bomb on gateway and set it off after we left or something

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:20:08 UTC No. 16367150

>>16367136
Depends on whether you want to be public enemy #1 or not.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:20:18 UTC No. 16367151

Was there any follow up from Boeing on Starliner after the press conference? I haven't kept up with the news but I'm assuming everything went fine unless inside of capsule was bad? What's the future outlook for the capsule looking like right now

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:21:18 UTC No. 16367155

>>16367151
They're keeping their heads down hoping the public (e.g. their shareholders) forget about the whole ordeal.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:21:25 UTC No. 16367156

>>16367143
Manned to Moon may not happen by 2028 either

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:22:26 UTC No. 16367157

>>16367151
The news of Musk getting charged by the DoJ for being a Russian shill has taken the focus off Boeing for now

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:22:57 UTC No. 16367158

>>16367143
well when do you think manned to mars WOULD happen? 2030? 2032? much later? what exactly are the hurdles they need to clear that makes it unrealistic?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:23:56 UTC No. 16367162

>>16367114
>for fucks sake, how can you be this retarded?
I was about to ask you the same question. You're talking about "why would the DOJ lie" then you're forced to admit they haven't actually accused Musk of anything nor implied that there's anything for him to be accused of.
You're entire thesis is "what if Musk got arrested" based on absolutely nothing except your own schizo ravings.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:24:29 UTC No. 16367163

>>16367151
I slept through the actual reentry. Seems to have gone fine but, again, you could hear a click on russian roulette that doesn’t mean the gun didn’t have probability for disaster.
Seems Boeing dipped from the planned post-landing conference—they were supposed to have two representatives who bowed-out last second. Shameful.
Boeing is being vague. NASA says they expect the contract to be seen through. As it’s a fixed-price contract (not cost plus) Boeing is eating a ton of money and they aren’t happy about it. They are indicating, at least as of right now, that they want to do the bare minimum with Starliner and throw it into the bin ASAP.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:24:51 UTC No. 16367165

>>16367156
It's a set up. None of the Artemis contractors will be ready in time but they and the media will all put 100% of the blame on SpaceX.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:25:25 UTC No. 16367166

>>16367139
slow your velocity to near 0 by the time you hit the ground, typically by firing your engines in the direction of travel

You have landed something from orbit on Kerbin before right?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:25:29 UTC No. 16367167

>>16367162
Its schizo to believe that the DOJ would lie so openly. Retard.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:25:59 UTC No. 16367168

>>16367139
Go to minmus, it's much easier to land on

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:27:18 UTC No. 16367173

>>16367133
Be thankful and enjoy the view.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:27:35 UTC No. 16367174

>>16367168
will try that thanks. man this game is tough, maybe im just retarded though

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:28:56 UTC No. 16367180

>>16367174
Doing everything by hand is the kerbal way

If you'd like to be a little more advanced: https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/releases

MechJeb makes a lot of routine tasks deceptively easy

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:29:07 UTC No. 16367181

>>16367158
They need to start iterative design on human habitat spaces and support systems and all associated equipment ASAP. They really can't do that properly until Starship's design has stabilized. From the point where they start that work in earnest, it will probably take about 10 years before they have systems they can confidently entrust human lives to for long-duration missions far from Earth. It's not like going to LEO where you can get back home in a few hours if something isn't right.

They can probably get Starship itself sorted in a year or two. So men on Mars no sooner than 2036.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:29:16 UTC No. 16367182

starship silos reminder for whoever remembers the LunA-10 presentation from a while back. man that was so much fun to read and discuss with anons.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:30:18 UTC No. 16367185

>>16367167
Lie about what? What have they said?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:30:50 UTC No. 16367188

post your favorite space mommies
i'll start with 2 of mine

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:31:47 UTC No. 16367191

>>16367174
I mean yeah you might be a little bit rarted but so is everyone else on 4clam. The game has kind of a steep learning curve but one you crack the code is pretty easy. If you want a real challenge, play rss with stock parts, that's damn near impossible.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:31:51 UTC No. 16367192

>>16367188

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:32:09 UTC No. 16367196

now that everyone's seen the interview with erryday bug chaser and bezos, have you guys warmed up to him?
I for one think new Glenn will eat the falcon 9 market share (minus starlink) and will give starship a run for its money since we all know how much of a shitshow starship development has been, and there is zero chance raptor is as reusable as be4 especially with the insane performance they are trying to pull from raptor 3.
Musk will win Mars but Bezos will win the moon. It will be obvious in retrospect.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:32:45 UTC No. 16367200

>>16367167
It's actually not. 99% of the Mueller shit was a complete fabrication. Ask /pol/ for details.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:33:03 UTC No. 16367201

>Venus atmosphere balloon
>Uranus orbiter
>Triton orbilander
>Enceladus orbilander
>Europa lander
>Mercury lander
>Ceres lander
>Titan rover
>Pluto lander
>Iapetus lander
>Ganymede lander
>Callisto lander
>Miranda lander
>Io lander
>Eris probe
>Vesta probe
>Makemake probe
>Haumea probe
>Rama flyby
WHERE ARE THEY

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:33:05 UTC No. 16367202

>>16367129
I think SpaceX needs to demonstrate in orbit refueling between Starships before 2H2025 for unmanned 2026 to happen. I don't think development is progressing fast enough for that to happen. 2028 is more realistic, and even then it will be a test flight, not the large scale operation that is required to support manned flight at the next window.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:33:21 UTC No. 16367203

>>16367180
i would recommend anon to actually learn how to play the game without mechjeb though, grasping the fundamentals of spaceflight is really important for understanding more complicated topics in real life

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:33:47 UTC No. 16367204

>>16367188
is that jessie anderson? i cant tell, but she seems like a nice woman. also dont say mommy youre a grown ass man.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:34:32 UTC No. 16367205

>>16367201
>Venus atmosphere balloon
>WHERE ARE THEY
In 1986

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:34:55 UTC No. 16367207

>>16367201
>i ate them

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:35:38 UTC No. 16367209

>>16367204
kate tice

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:36:06 UTC No. 16367212

What's the chance of full starship reuse (ship and superheavy) before anyone else gets reuses their first booster?
Booster reuse seems likely atleast

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:36:24 UTC No. 16367213

>>16367201
what the fuck is Rama, and also where is permanent sedna/dysnomia presence??? we wont have any probes hitching a ride to the outer solar system!!!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:36:40 UTC No. 16367214

>>16367204
That's Kate, you stupid, retarded, mongoloid, dumbass, low IQ frog poster. DON'T ever confuse her with that disgusting ogre.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:37:09 UTC No. 16367217

>>16367188
The shuttle smasher!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:38:42 UTC No. 16367218

reminder that charons subsurface ocean may have entirely frozen over due to sudden exposure to space.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:39:48 UTC No. 16367222

>>16367188
I prefer the NASA filipina

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:39:57 UTC No. 16367223

>>16367218
The freezing would stop as soon as the fissure becomes sealed with ice. It's the heat loss from flash boiling that causes freezing.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:40:21 UTC No. 16367224

>>16367201
The fact that we don't have probes at every relevant celestial body in the Solar system by this point in my lifetime on top of a giant array of specialized optical/infrared/x-ray/radio telescopes on the far side of the moon is an absolute DISGRACE for human scientific achievement.
>>16367213
He probably confused Sedna for Vesta, but it is imperative that a probe is sent there whilst it is at its perihelion.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:40:53 UTC No. 16367226

>>16367217
She gives me a fearection. I feel like her pusy would be ice cold.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:40:55 UTC No. 16367227

>>16367218
I only really care about Europa and Enceladus at the moment, but this is interesting nonetheless—feel free to post more info about it. Sounds interesting

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:41:45 UTC No. 16367229

>>16367224
The Europeans babysitting people who haven't been able to form a functioning civilization after several thousand years instead of conquering the final frontier of space is nothing new.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:43:40 UTC No. 16367234

>>16367188
Kate Tice is the breast, uh, best.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:45:13 UTC No. 16367236

Soo, i've thinking about the reasons where after a hypothetical successful landing of cargo Starships in 2026 (?), SpaceX decides, for some reason, not to go for a crewed landing the next window, but rather wait a bit longer. I''d heard about the importance of finding a good spot to land so that an ISRU plant can work properly and that the settlement won't have any issues in the long term. I know they are working with NASA in that regard and that they studied together some images of the surface that previous Mars orbiters had obtained. Is it reasonable to think that for them to be sure about the soil composition, they would have to first deploy some scouting rovers to confirm the presence of ice for an eventual settlement to use? what happens if the area is not good enough, would they have to repeat the mission again the next window to find a better spot? I guess you could bypass this whole issue by bringing lots of hydrogen with you on the first mission, like in Mars Direct.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:46:55 UTC No. 16367239

I still can't believe we actually got photos of places like Ceres, Charon, Pluto, Triton, and Neptune, and the surface of Venus. But where the hell are the Titan photos like the ones we got from Venus? Didn't they send a lander to Titan?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:47:46 UTC No. 16367240

>>16367201
okay im gonna review this list
>venus balloon
definetly need more there, some speculation about evidence of life but obviously not proven so would be good to have something there
>uranus orbiter
both ice giants need orbiters but definite yes along with their satellites
>enceladus orbilander
for the ice jets? why not just send something down in the cracks only though?
>europa lander
europa tunneler
>mercury lander
that shit would get fried and its not like much is going on with the surface, no
>ceres lander
yes, subsurface ocean plus stepping stone to the asteroid belt and outer solarsystem, needs immediate colonizing aswell.
>titan rover
titan submariner too, get that rover near the lakes as well but keep it cheap.
>pluto lander
1000%, charon needs one too though
>iapetus lander
gay, only reason i could see justification for going is the equatorial mountains, last on the list if anything.
>ganymede lander
yes
>callisto lander
yes, scope out colony spots
>miranda lander
maybe for the tectonic activity and cliff? i would prefer probes go to the other, larger uranian moons.
>io lander
yup
>eris probe
ehhh less of a point
>vesta probe
scouting out possible materials/mining conditions maybe?
>makemake probe
ehh
>haumea probe
definite yes, find out why that fucker is spinning so fast and do some ring analysis, see what can be done there.
>rama flyby
what even is this

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:48:22 UTC No. 16367243

>>16367226
Yeah she does look a bit ghoulish, but I'm sure she's a nice lady. She also got unfairly shat on with columbia, the foam strikes were happening well before her tenure in flight control.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:48:36 UTC No. 16367244

>>16367239

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:48:47 UTC No. 16367245

>>16367239
heres your titan image bro

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:49:39 UTC No. 16367246

>>16367244

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:49:51 UTC No. 16367248

>>16367239
They did, Huygens via Cassini. The photos are a blurry mess because it turns out hydrocarbon+nitrogen soup in Saturn orbit is really fucking dark.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:50:29 UTC No. 16367249

anotha one

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:51:20 UTC No. 16367250

>>16367239
>these heavily processed images are the only picture we got from the surface
>with mid-2000s tech
>meanwhile Venera mosaics are at least borderline high definition despite the 1970s tech
WTF
are the Titan conditions really that bad or did NASA just run out of budget for their science lab?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:52:56 UTC No. 16367252

>>16367250
huygens was a tag-along with shitty tech and half the data stream failed because euros suck.
The venera photos you have seen have been HEAVILY modified from raw data a la these titan photos here >>16367244 and here >>16367246

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:52:59 UTC No. 16367253

>>16367244
>>16367246
are these real? am i retarded i cant tell if this is space engine

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:53:34 UTC No. 16367255

>In 2003 NASA conducted a conceptual study called Human Outer Planets Exploration (HOPE) regarding the future human exploration of the outer Solar System. The target chosen to consider in detail was Callisto.[25][92]

>The study proposed a possible surface base on Callisto that would produce rocket propellant for further exploration of the Solar System.[91] Advantages of a base on Callisto include low radiation (due to its distance from Jupiter) and geological stability. Such a base could facilitate remote exploration of Europa, or be an ideal location for a Jovian system waystation servicing spacecraft heading farther into the outer Solar System, using a gravity assist from a close flyby of Jupiter after departing Callisto.[25]

>In December 2003, NASA reported that a crewed mission to Callisto might be possible in the 2040s.

kek they thought this was gonna be possible in 2003 with NASA alone

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:54:26 UTC No. 16367256

>>16367253
Real data, image processing autists pushed the info and image they had to the max to “recreate” realistic photos. For all intents and purposes that’s what it actually looked like but some aspects might be a bit exaggerated like the famed “blue neptune” photo

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:54:50 UTC No. 16367257

>>16367246
Probably the most oddly Earth-like surface other than Mars, followed by Venus. These pictures (if they are real and true color) are stunningly surreal, even if people might be desensitized by now due to perfect CGI.
>captcha: GAYSY

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:56:29 UTC No. 16367258

>>16367255
NASA still kept forgetting that their budget dwindled further and further from what they got during the Apollo era.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:56:44 UTC No. 16367259

>>16367257
Venus is so cool we must return. Especially now that is seems confirmed that there is active surface vulcanism

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:57:51 UTC No. 16367260

>>16367240
>he doesn't want to rendezvous with Rama

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:58:51 UTC No. 16367263

>>16367260
Forgive them, they're slow

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:59:18 UTC No. 16367264

>>16367256
Shouldn't the data be public for anyone with a computer and the know-how to reprocess the images manually themselves? Someone on YouTube did it with the Mariner 10 and MESSENGER data to try and get as close to "true color" images out of them as she could.
>>16367240
>what even is this
Omuamua.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:59:39 UTC No. 16367265

>>16367255
it's 2024, we should be on Callisto right now, hell, humanity should've reached the moons of Uranus and Neptune by now, but he haven't even left Low Earth Orbit in 52 years, absolutely embarrassing. Von Braun must rolling in his grave.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:59:41 UTC No. 16367266

>>16367246
Orange Iceland

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:59:45 UTC No. 16367267

>>16367260
WHAT IS IT NIGGER INFORM ME
>>16367263
isnt that oumuamuas trajectory to interstellar space.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:00:00 UTC No. 16367268

Two years. Can he do it?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:00:32 UTC No. 16367271

>>16367263
We still have time to send a probe to oMOOOOOOOOOamua. Post that gif. TRVST TVE PLVN.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:00:49 UTC No. 16367272

>>16367268
i could see 2 years on the next hohmann transfer window, i cant see 4 years on crewed flights.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:02:11 UTC No. 16367275

>>16367268
if trump wins, yeah
if kamala wins (she will) no
im sure the regulatory hurdles would only increase under a kamala administration

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:02:22 UTC No. 16367276

>>16367267
https://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8?t=8
Read a book nigga

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:02:45 UTC No. 16367277

>>16367267
classic Arthur C Clarke book about humans visiting an object flying by the solar system
audiobook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LXNKIB_c3g

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:04:29 UTC No. 16367278

>new horizons discovers evidence for second outer system belt past scattered disk
>nobody discusses this and its implications
does /sfg/ not care about outer system exploration anymore?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:05:24 UTC No. 16367280

>>16367264
Oh boy this is a topic that triggers me. The data IS public… but it’s not as simple as “download jpgs here”
Raw space data, even from optical instruments, is collected in EXTREMELY autistically niche ways that maximizes scientific output versus just taking photos. It’s kind of hard to explain and maybe another anon can take a crack at dumbing it down but essentially individual channels log data in a very unique way to try and get as much remote sensing data as possible on a wavelength bitstream level so scientists can dig through the raw data, reorganize it however they want, stack it, compare signals, use the data for more than just pretty photos. Older missions such as the earlier Mariner missions were a *little* more straight forward—optical telescopes with physical color filters captured “images” that was stored on magnetic tape, transmitted via radio, and re-stored on magtape here on earth. Since the digitization of spacecraft data around the 80s-90s onward it’s only gotten more complicated.
So no. Raw data is raw data and 99% of the time agencies like NASA, ESA, etc will process the best part of the mission to show you how it “appears to the human eye” but autists who know what they’re doing can do a lot more and take that public data and work magic with it

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:05:24 UTC No. 16367281

>>16367268
Based 95P/Chiron poster

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:08:14 UTC No. 16367284

>>16367212
I think stoke will not only be landing their first stage next year but will beat SpaceX to a reused upper stage.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:09:39 UTC No. 16367285

>>16367278
why don't you make an effort post instead?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:10:32 UTC No. 16367286

>>16367278
you could be the first to initiate the conversation with an interesting link or two, but instead you vaguepost and complain that no one is talking about it. Curious

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:11:24 UTC No. 16367287

>>16367284
Look I think Stoke can and will achieve their goals but youre off by a country mile here, unless youre banking on Kamala absolutely dunking on all of Musk's ventures when she takes power.
>>16367285
Okay, gimme a bit

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:11:39 UTC No. 16367288

>>16367286
media interns trying to trick people into "organic search traffic"

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:12:36 UTC No. 16367289

>>16367286
Hey I did post about it with links and everything before like a thread or 2 back but one guy replied.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:12:45 UTC No. 16367290

>>16367272
I think he meant 4 years after successful uncrewed flight

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:12:45 UTC No. 16367291

>>16367281
Does anyone have the table with posting times and corresponding celestial objects to call far-away anons with?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:14:19 UTC No. 16367292

>>16367278
we discussed that I believe.. 2 threads ago? But yeah, there might be lots of more sednoids out there that could give us a glimpse into the formation of our own solar system, apart from also finding cases where an object has actually been captured from another passing planetary system.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:14:58 UTC No. 16367293

>>16367289
And I would be two threads back trying to look for this why? Re-post it, my lobotomy fren

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:17:22 UTC No. 16367295

I NEED PHOTOS, PHOTOS OF ERIS!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:17:29 UTC No. 16367296

>>16367287
>but youre off by a country mile here

I don't think so. They have poached mad talent, multiple lead and high up devs from Falcon 9 and Dragon as well as other talent from the aerospace industry. First stage reuse and capsule entry are both solved problems and they have the people who made them happen at SpaceX. Their progress on multiple really hard technical milestones has been ridiculous. And yes, I'm sure starship is going to keep getting fucked by the government.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:17:39 UTC No. 16367297

>>16367271
I don't have it, but I know someone in here does.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:18:04 UTC No. 16367298

>>16367293
>>16367292
well now you have me angry im gonna make an MS paint diagram of why its weird now.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:20:34 UTC No. 16367299

>>16367296
SpaceX has no shortage of talent, they have historically had a relatively high turnover rate, but they are still innovating. But you are right Stoke has a very great team.
>And yes, I'm sure starship is going to keep getting fucked by the government.
The doomposting gets to me at times. Grim

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:20:58 UTC No. 16367300

>>16367280
>Raw space data, even from optical instruments, is collected in EXTREMELY autistically niche ways that maximizes scientific output versus just taking photo
sounds like a job for me
>Older missions such as the earlier Mariner missions were a *little* more straight forwar
fuck

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:22:54 UTC No. 16367301

>>16367133
Dab

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:23:05 UTC No. 16367302

>>16367275
>implying it matters which uniparty puppet wins beyond the most superficial cosmsetic differences

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:23:29 UTC No. 16367303

>>16367201
I’m actually going insane I need these now, I needed these 15 years ago when I was a kid, we don’t even have half of these on the table and even if we snapped our fingers and Starship was everything it was promised to be there would still be a huge lag between getting these missions planned+built+launched with long ass transit times, INCREASE NASA’S BUDGET INTO THE TRILLIONS AND SPAM THE SOLAR SYSTEM WITH CASSINI-LEVEL MISSIONS I NEED TO SEE EVERY MAJOR SOLAR SYSTEM BODY NOW AND THE FACT THAT WE ARENT EVEN TRYING IS PATHETIC
STOP FOCUSING ON MSR STOP BLOWING THE ENTIRE LOAD ON STUPID STINKY SLS

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:25:29 UTC No. 16367304

>>16367201
imagine if instead of the trillions spent, misplaced, and printed during and after the forever wars once the cold war ended NASA instead got that money

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:27:55 UTC No. 16367305

>>16367299
Kino as hell photo of this is real, damn!
Here have a Salyut station photo, you don’t see these too often up close.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:32:06 UTC No. 16367307

>>16367289
hey i think that was me lol
>>16367291
I just love wiki lists:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_objects
this one is just a general overview of the solar system
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trans-Neptunian_objects
this one is quite useful
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets
this one contains all, I mean ALL celestial bodies in the solar system that have been catalogued (more than 719,000!).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars
and this one is used to communicate with anons from other stars.
There's lots of more lists in the "See also" section in each of those articles, they have lots of data to go through, e.g. for the nearest stars, you have lists that group them in ranges of 5 light years each.
Just write down the time difference between anon's response and the breaking news, convert from light-minutes to AU and find something in that area.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:32:50 UTC No. 16367308

reeeee launch company recruiters stop being lazy and get back to me

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:34:43 UTC No. 16367309

>>16367303
Yep, you and me and a whole generation. Been waiting on half of this stuff ever since I was a kid in a White Elephant store and picked up that fancy DK Guide to Space with slick prints of the latest Hubble images and being blown away. Now I'm suddenly somehow an adult who will outlive Hubble (and Chandra among others). This sucks. You think that we would have a renaissance in the space age but nah, have some ridiculous Jewish death cult rituals instead.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:37:57 UTC No. 16367311

>>16367290

> I think he meant

Those are hard dates. Windows are end 2024 for unmanned, end 2026 for manned. Even the 2024 date seems impossible. Need tankers and a Starship with long term fuel storage and that can land. And since he used plurals, would need at least two of those landers in a month-ish long minimum energy window..

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:38:59 UTC No. 16367313

>>16367239
>Ceres
Is there any evidence this is our missing Planet V? What if we fed Ceres the whole asteroid belt? Surely that belt is not the remnants of the alleged speculated 99 planets of the proto Solar system. Even the theoreticians of the time Ceree was discovered wondered how many large worlds may have been ejected from the system (or fallen into the sun, like a hypothetical gas giant that supposedly explains the lithiuk levels of the sun).

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:39:06 UTC No. 16367314

>>16367305
Thanks anon, i assume you meant "if this is real" which it is,
found it when i was going down an autistic rabbithole and found a website that documents every single watch that has ever been to space
https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/40738bd5-c07f-41f2-aaad-ca5b0aaf9602/page/ZNSUB

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:39:29 UTC No. 16367316

>>16366756
>city timeline keeps shrinking
>completion date is always roughly around the time Elon will die

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:39:34 UTC No. 16367317

If Starship is actually functional in two years, I can see them sending them to Mars to see how they fare. That would make these other missions look very silly though, someone's painstakingly landing a tiny little rover and then there's just this 50 meter giga tanker soaring down

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:41:02 UTC No. 16367319

>>16367316
He needs to lose weight to live longer, no way he'll make it into his 80s looking like a barrel

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:41:22 UTC No. 16367320

>>16367307
>convert from light-minutes to AU
oh well, and divide by 2 because it also takes time for light to get back here.
>>16367295
My dream is to one day set foot there, and on Dysnomia, too. Must be a really peaceful and quiet place, far away from everything else, the Sun just a dim spot on the black canvas, not a worry in the world.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:46:11 UTC No. 16367322

https://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/News-Article.php?page=20240904
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.21142
>We report the detection of 239 trans-Neptunian Objects discovered through the on-going New Hori-
zons survey for distant minor bodies being performed with the Hyper Suprime-Cam mosaic imager
on the Subaru Telescope. These objects were discovered in images acquired with either the r2 or the
recently commissioned EB-gri filter using shift and stack routines. Due to the extremely high stellar
density of the search region down stream of the spacecraft, new machine learning techniques had to
be developed to manage the extremely high false positive rate of bogus candidates produced from the
shift and stack routines. We report discoveries as faint as r2∼ 26.5. We highlight an overabundance
of objects found at heliocentric distances R ≳ 70 au compared to expectations from modelling of the
known outer Solar System. If confirmed, these objects betray the presence of a heretofore unrecognized
abundance of distant objects that can help explain a number of other observations that otherwise re-
main at odds with the known Kuiper Belt, including detections of serendipitous stellar occultations,
and recent results from the Student Dust Counter on-board the New Horizons spacecraft.
This is what I was talking about, PEER REVIEWED study about this. As seen in my image, another kuiper belt looks a whole fuckin lot like a cleared orbit to me. If this turns out to be real, what the fuck happened in the scattered disk area? Protoplanetary disks start out with a pretty even decreasing distribution until planets begin getting formed, and usually planets are what create these 'cleared orbits' by definition of the IAU. So what happened here
>planet 9
how come we havent seen it yet then? If it had cleared such a massive orbit what happened to it, is it on a high inclination like was thought and if so HOW did it get knocked out of its orbit?
(1/2)

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:47:22 UTC No. 16367323

>>16367320
oh shit whats up dysnomia anon havent heard from you in a while.
>>16367322
i fucked the greentext, fixing it one moment.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:49:05 UTC No. 16367325

>>16367317
>That would make these other missions look very silly though, someone's painstakingly landing a tiny little rover and then there's just this 50 meter giga tanker soaring down
If I recall correctly, one single Starship fully loaded on Mars would be more mass than everything we ever sent there combined, including kick stages, heat shields, parachutes, fuel, failed probes, etc, perhaps even orbiters I believe.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:50:23 UTC No. 16367326

>>16367314
Nice. Yeah sorry it seems dumb to have included that in hindsight but I’ve just been seeing too much AI slop recently so I’m second-guessing everything these days.
And I’ll share the link with my brother, he is a watch autist! He recently bought a new casio A100 just so he could wear it to go see alien romulus kek

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:51:49 UTC No. 16367328

https://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/News-Article.php?page=20240904
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.21142
>We report the detection of 239 trans-Neptunian Objects discovered through the on-going New Horizons survey for distant minor bodies being performed with the Hyper Suprime-Cam mosaic imager on the Subaru Telescope. These objects were discovered in images acquired with either the r2 or the recently commissioned EB-gri filter using shift and stack routines. Due to the extremely high stellar density of the search region down stream of the spacecraft, new machine learning techniques had to be developed to manage the extremely high false positive rate of bogus candidates produced from the shift and stack routines. We report discoveries as faint as r2∼ 26.5. We highlight an over abundance of objects found at heliocentric distances R ≳ 70 au compared to expectations from modelling of the known outer Solar System. If confirmed, these objects betray the presence of a heretofore unrecognized abundance of distant objects that can help explain a number of other observations that otherwise re-main at odds with the known Kuiper Belt, including detections of serendipitous stellar occultations, and recent results from the Student Dust Counter on-board the New Horizons spacecraft.
This is what I was talking about, PEER REVIEWED study about this. As seen in my image, another kuiper belt looks a whole fuckin lot like a cleared orbit to me. If this turns out to be real, what the fuck happened in the scattered disk area? Protoplanetary disks start out with a pretty even decreasing distribution until planets begin getting formed, and usually planets are what create these 'cleared orbits' by definition of the IAU. So what happened here
>planet 9
how come we havent seen it yet then? If it had cleared such a massive orbit what happened to it, is it on a high inclination like was thought and if so HOW did it get knocked out of its orbit?
(1/2)

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:54:25 UTC No. 16367330

>>16367328
>Planet 9
No, Planet X.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:54:45 UTC No. 16367332

>>16367328
Oh gosh I’ll dig into this tomorrow.
This is cool and the MS paint image is much appreciated actually lol.
Is New Horizons going to run out of propellant/RTG before 70 AU? They can’t seem to find any sort of target for an extended mission rendezvous. Wondering how they found this “new belt,” and why this wasn’t found by the Pioneers or Voyagers

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:56:30 UTC No. 16367335

>>16367328
>planet got smashed
Is that why there are so many dwarf planets in the Kuiper belt? Was it smashed to bits in the outer reaches and thats what left these dwarf planets in strange orbits? Or were they moons of that smashed planet? What collided with it if so?
>nothingburger thats just how it is
something mustve caused this strange distribution, if it is a nothingburger someone inform me of the process that creates these 20 AU wide gaps during stellar infancy otherwise I'm going to think its a somethingburger.
>get the astroonomers to look at it
how long would it take to get there then, and what methods do we have as of right now for directly observing them? can we maybe predict how small or large these objects are? I dont know, thats why I wanted to discuss it.
(2/2)

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:56:35 UTC No. 16367336

>>16367323
lol, been away from this general for more than a year, I just focused on some other things and had less time to be online, but at least watched the Starship launches here and there. Gotta say, it feels good when you come back and see all the progress you missed with those aerial pics from Starbase.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:04:39 UTC No. 16367342

>>16367275
"We must increase launch cadence"
"Red tape and bureaucracy must be cut"
"We can build more for less money without government bloat"

>No, hire more diversity, support big government, let China win, and let men get pregnant.

wut-

>I'M SPEAKING
I'M SPEAKING
>I'M SPEAKING
I'M SPEAKING
>I'M SPEAKING
I'M SPEAKING
>I'M SPEAKING
I'M SPEAKING

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:05:40 UTC No. 16367343

>>16367311
>Even the 2024 date seems impossible
That's loser talk
Starship to Mars eoy

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:05:40 UTC No. 16367344

>>16367328
Crazy ass hypothesis I’m throwing out there but what if instead of a “Planet X” we’ve been thinking of it all wrong? What if instead the answer is “Star X,” a hypothetical red or brown dwarf star on a hyperbolic trajectory (or at least a close pass) that scattered a distinct region between the kuiper belt into more elliptical orbits—if something like this had since left our solar system it could be hard to find against the backdrop of space. The answer could be just some tiny visiting star (or perhaps even rogue planet) that passes through and gave our protoplanetary disk a visit.
I’m scratching my head over what orbit it would have needed to take though. People always attribute it to Neptune but what about a smaller planet further out? Or a larger planet that hit Uranus (further in) that could also account for the bizarre axial tilt.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:14:18 UTC No. 16367351

>>16367344
This would also explain the irregular orbits of “captured” moons of the outer planets. Just saying.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:14:28 UTC No. 16367352

>>16367342
The big red tape cut I'm looking forward to is for launching whole fission reactors. I mostly see solid core NTP as being useful for military use, but nuclear surface power is vital to any serious planet/moon development, and NEP is ridiculous god mode if QI or any of the adjacent theories work.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:17:29 UTC No. 16367355

>>16367352
Lol don’t get too hopeful about QI there bud, but I agree. Colonization is doable with solar but it’ll be a monstrous PITA and KRUSTY/Kilopower reactors would make life so much freaking easier. And would be a good grid fortification for when the sun don’t shine. Especially on Mars with seasonal dust storms.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:20:04 UTC No. 16367362

>>16367344
>Crazy ass hypothesis
>red or brown dwarf star on a hyperbolic trajectory
That's insane
Get this hothead out of here

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:20:09 UTC No. 16367363

>>16367332
>and why this wasn’t found by the Pioneers or Voyagers
It's quite funny, but by the time these probes were launched, the Kuiper Belt itself wasn't an official thing, as in, although there were speculations about its existence back in the early 50s, it was finally discovered all the way into the 90s. It happened when 15760 Albion was first spotted, the third trans-neptunian known object after Pluto and Charon. Albion was for a brief moment the 10th planet lol
>>16367336
Btw, what happened to finnanon and his stamp archive? He used to post a link to it in almost every thread back then.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:21:09 UTC No. 16367366

>>16367352
never forget that they took away nuclear starship from you
(for the time being)

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:32:25 UTC No. 16367371

>>16367366
Fatties in the middle and top need to lose some weight

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:35:38 UTC No. 16367372

Would it be worthwhile to keep a crewed starship in LEO for 9 months with crew to simulate a manned mission to mars?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:38:04 UTC No. 16367373

>>16367258
Wrong. There were only a couple years in the mid-late 60s where they had really high budgets, and most of that was spent on building up programs from scratch. They've been consistently getting 20-25 billion a year inflation adjusted since.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:39:19 UTC No. 16367375

>>16367373
Isn't large parts of their budget directly allocated by congress for stuff like SLS?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:44:49 UTC No. 16367377

>>16367355
or doing lunar colonization anywhere besides the poles

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:54:35 UTC No. 16367383

>>16367372
No, it's like the same argument of "why not settling the Moon first to practice for an eventual Mars base", just do the damn Mars mission already without any distraction. However, it would be interesting to put people in LEO for very long periods of time, as in, +5 years, to get real-life results from long exposure in a micro g environment. This would be useful for the sake of knowing what will be happen to the human body as well as having meaningful data for eventual trips for the Asteroid Belt and the Jovian system, even though we'll most probably use some kind of rotating deep-space vehicles capable of simulating 1G during the trip.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:57:46 UTC No. 16367385

>>16367116
70%
10%

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:00:08 UTC No. 16367389

>>16367372
>>16367383
Oh, wait, did you mean doing that because of the possible psychological impact of the trip on the crew? We already have had several projects like that, where they simulate a months-long mission on Mars, but considering that they can "bail out" at any moment I suppose it doesn't have quite the same effect on their minds, and so, the stress would be quite different. Perhaps that idea could be compelling, but in no means necessary for the first crewed landing.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:09:10 UTC No. 16367392

If you put a massive fuckin spherical magnet out at a Lagrange point or something, could you achieve orbit around it with a magnetic capsule of some type? Maybe on a path that is normal to the polar axes? Or is the interacting forces of both gravity and magnetism just too unstable for orbits.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:13:19 UTC No. 16367397

>>16367392
You would end up with the solar wind pressure yeeting the magnet into interstellar space unless it was at L1 or L2.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:17:47 UTC No. 16367407

>>16367392
Gravity falls off r^2 and magnetism falls off r^3 so you can't really orbit

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:20:05 UTC No. 16367410

>>16367264
I love cue ball venus so much bros

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:20:15 UTC No. 16367411

>>16366756
>metabolically
You have to metabolise all the eggs

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:24:34 UTC No. 16367417

Daily reminder muskrats

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:25:33 UTC No. 16367419

>>16367373

> NASA dindu!

NASA it more than adequately funded for a government space science program. NASA chooses to waste that money on comically mismanaged and misbegotten programs like SLS, ISS, Starliner and so on.

> Congress made them!

No. NASA was always the willing whore.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:26:05 UTC No. 16367421

>>16367417
Musk definetly posted this himself

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:34:18 UTC No. 16367429

>>16367417
The JPL copypasta should be mandatory reading
>Red Dragon was killed by NASA (under congressional pressure), not SpaceX
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26270977

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:38:10 UTC No. 16367431

>>16367411
*fertilize

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:41:33 UTC No. 16367435

>>16367328
>Protoplanetary disks start out with a pretty even decreasing distribution
your entire planet 9 (21ish) theory hinges on this and I'm still not sold on it.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:45:43 UTC No. 16367437

>>16367435
I'm just asking what the fuck made this thing. I dont know Im not an astroonomer but what I can relate it to is that. If you have a better idea that matches more you can let me know what the updated solar system formation model is but unless you have a better answer I'm going with planet and something happened to it.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 04:48:13 UTC No. 16367440

>>16367429
>russia killed elon's dreams of a greenhouse on mars
>nasa killed elon's dreams of a dragon on mars
who will kill his dream of a starship on mars?*

*every time he is defeated he comes back stronger than ever. goku ass shit.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:03:58 UTC No. 16367452

>>16367437
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2023/09/aa47264-23/aa47264-23.html
It just happens

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:10:26 UTC No. 16367455

>>16367268
It's ambitious but I think it's doable.
It's really gonna depend on how well the tower catch goes. If that works well then you can drastically increase the launch cadence. Then you only have to sort out orbital refueling, which imo is a lesser challenge.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:15:37 UTC No. 16367462

>>>/pol/480941218
>>>/pol/480941218
>>>/pol/480941218
Good thread going on, help spread the good word.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:18:12 UTC No. 16367464

>>16367196
Did you miss the escapade postponement? There is no fucking way New Glenn is conpetitive with Starship
Might not even win on cost against F9

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:21:20 UTC No. 16367466

>>16367462
stupid frogposter

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:25:41 UTC No. 16367469

>>16367440
you would have to kill starlink to kill starship going to mars, it's an insane (crazy) money spinner. Previously spacex was reliant on gibs from the government/NASA to launch payloads and crew, but as time goes on and the constellation grows, the money from launching new weather satellites or unmanned probes etc makes up a smaller and smaller slice of the total pie. They're probably already at the stage where even if they were completely frozen out of future NASA contracts (beyond those already awarded like HLS/ISS deorbit), they could still sustain operations and development of a Mars program, just at a slower pace. And the reality of starlink is that it's too valuable an asset to the DoD to try to impede its progress

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:33:08 UTC No. 16367471

>>16367462
cancerous /pol/cel

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:36:44 UTC No. 16367473

>>16367462
>second to last post is some jungle goblin from a tropical tax haven we-wuzzing about VASIMR
classic /pol/

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:38:46 UTC No. 16367475

>still havent reached 200 total launches for this year
sweating

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:40:24 UTC No. 16367478

With the constant growth of starlink satellite size, I wonder if in the future they will make giga nigga fuckhuge ones to service cellular data. Its such a huge market they must be thinking about it. SpaceX holocausting cell providers would be so sick.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:41:18 UTC No. 16367480

>>16367478
doesnt starlink already do collabs with cell phone providers?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:42:00 UTC No. 16367481

>>16367469
>starlink
>t's an insane (crazy) money spinner
I can still remember when it was stated as speculation that if SpaceX gets Starlink to work then they can't lose. I can still hardly believe that it's actually happening.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:44:56 UTC No. 16367482

>>16367462
I dunno, this guy is making some sense
How can you thrust in a vacuum? There's nothing to push against

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:47:32 UTC No. 16367485

>>16367466
>>16367462
>>16367471
>>16367473
>>16367482
Got a new thread up to keep forcing it upon them.
>>>/pol/480962116

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:50:22 UTC No. 16367486

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832639729222737990

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:51:24 UTC No. 16367488

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832618653407174930

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:52:11 UTC No. 16367489

>>16367486
Basically letting the normies know its ambitious but possible

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:52:25 UTC No. 16367490

>>16367488
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832637047766466820

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:53:26 UTC No. 16367491

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832636690042597435

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:54:42 UTC No. 16367493

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832618837910434081

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:55:43 UTC No. 16367494

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832559292437692747

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:57:53 UTC No. 16367496

>>16367488
>>16367490
Tyson is so fucking brain-dead sometimes. It's like he's permanently stuck as a toddler waddling around in Sagan's too-big shoes.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:57:59 UTC No. 16367498

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832554031845097590

people might have missed it, but seems like the goal is 180T reusable now
the numbers seem to fluctuate, what is an aspirational goal and what is based on calculations etc based on what they have already
I guess we will just have to wait and see

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:58:32 UTC No. 16367499

>>16367488
Well yes. They already pioneered reusable spacecraft like 40 years ago. Welcome to the club :^)

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:58:35 UTC No. 16367500

>>16367100
i just woke up! i am so excited to watch polaris dawn today!!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:58:45 UTC No. 16367502

>>16367496
He is the classic example of an incompetent diversity hire.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:59:00 UTC No. 16367503

>>16367496
what little I've seen from him, seems like he has started to get more retarded lately

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 05:59:47 UTC No. 16367505

>>16367480
Only for calls and texts, they need much bigger arrays to serve high bandwidth to cellphones

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:01:48 UTC No. 16367509

>>16367500
2 more weeks

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:04:03 UTC No. 16367513

>>16367498
>300 tons expendable
now imagine those numbers with the original 12m-wide ITS

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:05:22 UTC No. 16367517

>>16367505
With a neuralink, you could telepathically call anyone on the planet.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:06:42 UTC No. 16367521

>>16367494
Make webm

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:13:05 UTC No. 16367526

>>16367517
a nigger.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:18:59 UTC No. 16367531

>>16367116
i think a manned mission is very unlikely. its just so much more that you need for a manned mission to mars than a rocket which can reach mars with a huge payload. will they be able to build a life support system that works in space and on mars for over 500 days? a self supporting space suit for mars? i guess they could do it if they really tried but not in a way that they could really know that its safe and we live in the 21 century, people get mad when humans die on voyages and you need licences to get on voyages. at best we may see some optimus robots on mars.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:20:50 UTC No. 16367532

>>16367531
You're a retard. SpaceX is testing EVA suits literally this month on a Dragon flight. Life support working long term is a long solved problem on the ISS, and can be cheesed around by just sending more cargo Starships with supplies.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:23:02 UTC No. 16367535

>>16367500
how long do you plan on posting this

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:37:37 UTC No. 16367541

>>16367236
the first place their land doesn't need to be the site for the mars base necessarily and I don't think it makes sense to delay the landings for a synod just to find the perfect spot

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:41:05 UTC No. 16367545

>>16367532
>SpaceX is testing EVA suits literally this month on a Dragon flight.
suits for one short eva without portable life support
>Life support working long term is a long solved problem on the ISS
the life support system of iss dont need to survive entry of the atmosphere of mars, landing and accent, and mission aborts are much harder for a mars missions and it dosent seems like spacex has done much work for a life support system.
maybe they are able to do all of that till 2028 but i dont think they can be sure that it will be safe, so they probably wont get the required licenses. it will probably happen somewhen but not 2028.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:51:45 UTC No. 16367557

Frankly the /pol/ thread is way more lively than this dead gen

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:54:35 UTC No. 16367560

>>16367268
maybe

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:56:20 UTC No. 16367563

>>16367557
errm actually that's because most of the Americans are asleep right now, you know, the important posters.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:59:03 UTC No. 16367565

>>16367557
We just had like 150 posts in 2 hours, and its also night in the US. Thats also /pol/ which is the most active board on the site. Also /pol/ is cancerous and filled with offtopic politics, racebait, flat earthers, moon landing deniers, and more god awful cancerous discussion for people that want to seriously discuss spaceflight. I suggest that you go back go back to /pol/ if you care so much about activity in dead hours. We'vd been consistently getting thousand post threads you dumb /pol/ tourist. Yknow what, why dont you tell me what picrel is?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:59:52 UTC No. 16367566

>>16367535
i will stop when its happening.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:00:49 UTC No. 16367569

>>16367557
sad

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:01:58 UTC No. 16367570

>>16367557
replying to retarded posts is a jumping off point to discussion often, doesn't happen here too much or people just ignore it (why repeat something that most people already know?)

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:02:55 UTC No. 16367571

Go back to /pol/.
>pic unrel

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:20:22 UTC No. 16367577

>>16367565
>why dont you tell me what picrel is?
A kind of primitive equation for pre-plasma-magnet space flight.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:22:49 UTC No. 16367580

>>16367577
Ok youre cleared.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:24:50 UTC No. 16367581

Uh oh stinky

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:28:05 UTC No. 16367582

>>16367581
uh oh....

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:32:26 UTC No. 16367584

>>16367581
people that don't care get bored quickly

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:33:09 UTC No. 16367586

>>16367584
Very nice frog

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:36:18 UTC No. 16367588

>Terminus
What an awful name. It should be Ultor. How do I get in contact with Elon so I can suggest this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Mars_Ultor

We must always remember our forefathers.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:37:46 UTC No. 16367589

>>16367588
Buy a tweet for this purpose from one of the few accounts he reads and get him to see it.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:39:46 UTC No. 16367593

Y HALLO THAR FAGGOTS
I came here from /pol/ via
>>>/pol/480968355
So what do you dipshits talk about all day?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:40:18 UTC No. 16367594

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/as-strike-looms-boeing-pushes-777-jets-through-chaotic-production-in-everett/#comments
Some interesting comments here from insiders regarding Starliner and general Boeing issues.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:40:49 UTC No. 16367595

>>16367588
>>Terminus
>What an awful name.
Yeah they can't use this, sounds depressing and dismal
>uhm actually it's a reference to Foundation
Even worse

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:41:42 UTC No. 16367596

>>16367593
see >>16367571 midwit

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:41:46 UTC No. 16367597

>>16367593
rockets and rocket accessories

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:41:50 UTC No. 16367598

>>16367588
Just how Jamestown was named after King James, the ruler at the time, so should the settlement be named after the US President at the time
>Trumptopia

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:46:42 UTC No. 16367603

>>16367596
Rude. I'm going back to /pol/ where people appreciate me.
>>16367597
Ok that sounds good, maybe I'll stay

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:47:34 UTC No. 16367606

>>16367598
False equivalence that would be tradition if the ENGLISH landed on Mars first since thats what the Jamestown colonists were.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:49:26 UTC No. 16367609

>>16367557
Its because some anime faggot spamed the thread for months and drove out the actual discussions

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:51:48 UTC No. 16367611

>>16367609
we had some good ones today. i liked that one about the new horizons discovery. we should effortpost more on here

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:58:33 UTC No. 16367615

>>16367328
>>16367335
Interesting, thanks for the effortpost

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:58:34 UTC No. 16367616

>>16367565
All these years later and you still dont understand the argument over that picture. Lol Its about marketing, you dont put a picture like that as the OP image because it wont ever grab the attention of passerbys. The best part of spaceflight is you have a constant stream of eye catching sexy hardware you can use for advertising and you went with some chicken scratch font on a white background.

You did this right as we were getting popular and then had a power trip over thread making which ended up alienating have the daily population.

Here i come back after what 5-6 years and you still are worked up about this? Jesus Christ you are autistic.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:05:39 UTC No. 16367621

>>16367588
They'll just rename it in honor of him after he dies so it doesn't really matter what it's called at first

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:06:05 UTC No. 16367624

>>16367611
Maybe if that faggot is gone

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:07:53 UTC No. 16367627

>>16367116
Once Starship flies, how hard will it be to send it to Mars? It'll require the in-orbit refueling to work well. After that, can Starship be human rated in 2 years? I feel like the biggest limitation here isn't SpaceX's progress speed, but regulations and paperwork.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:11:54 UTC No. 16367631

>>16367581
concerning

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:12:16 UTC No. 16367632

>>16367627
That is why they've built another launch tower. I think regulations and paperwork are a big deal but we will see. Its already proved it can get to orbit, refueling will be a big step but really it depends how much work has been done on the crewed side of things. That is something that is always more complex.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:12:22 UTC No. 16367633

>>16367627
Polaris Dawn, which should be happening any day now, will test SpaceX new EVA suits
these will be continued to be developed to be a Mars/Moon EVA suit
Polaris 2 will do some additional testing, what exactly is still unknown (was supposed to add some gyros to Hubble and reboost it to lengthen its operational life time but NASA chickened out)
Polaris 3 will be a Dragon docking with a Starship, so at that point Starship should have a version with some human rating at least

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:12:52 UTC No. 16367635

>>16367611
>i liked that one about the new horizons discovery
same. Dragonfly and Europa clipper will make even cooler discoveries.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:14:11 UTC No. 16367636

>>16367616
Yknow what, maybe youre right. Gonna just cut myself off from all aspects of creating OPs from now on then. Not gonna bitch about early stage, op content or formatting, nothing. Lets see where it goes, maybe youre right and we do get better. No more baking, nothing.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:14:45 UTC No. 16367639

>>16367302
They why are they opposing Trump so hard? Why did they need to hot-swap Biden with Kamala after the debate? I just don't believe that this system is as rigid and controlled as you think it is.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:15:27 UTC No. 16367641

>>16367631
exclamation mark exclamation mark

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:17:45 UTC No. 16367644

>>16367636
>Not gonna bitch about early stage, op content or formatting, nothing.
nta but please don't cease issuing complaints about illegal OPs

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:19:42 UTC No. 16367647

>>16367496
>>16367503
Watch his video on the Starliner issues. He says that they aren't a big deal because the astronauts aren't in active danger, completely missing the point.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:21:52 UTC No. 16367649

>>16367636
>>16367644
It's not even about that, it needs 2 things to grow, good OP images that are eye catching thumbnails and no infighting in the threads. If you feel lazy then let someone else bake but focus on things that make the community grow.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:22:36 UTC No. 16367650

>>16367633
More like Polaris Yawn

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:24:20 UTC No. 16367653

>community grow
sound redditish desu. I don't think we need more users we just need a bit more effortposting

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:26:21 UTC No. 16367657

I cant believe. 2 fucking years.

Hopefully its under Trump, otherwise, this isn't happening under Biden2.0 nonsense.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:29:37 UTC No. 16367658

>>16367649
I can improve my OPs easily enough, you want eye catching thumbnails I can pull up concepts rockets, probes, cool projects/companies and their prototypes, a whole lot of shit. I cant really control the infighting as much, I can again reduce or remove my thread autism if thats the main issue but I dont control the other 99% of anons. Im also generally not combative with my posts outside of that but if thread autism is the main thing I can put a stop to that.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:32:21 UTC No. 16367660

>>16367653
I >>16367658 was the one that made that effortpost by the way so I'm trying to get better with that. I also did the >>16367240 mission reviews here just as more proof I'm trying to effortpost more.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:32:39 UTC No. 16367661

>>16367299
Now I wonder if spacex high employee (turn/burn)-over rate is good or bad thing. How many new space companies were created by muh. ex-spacex employee.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:34:08 UTC No. 16367668

>>16367594
There's nothing inside info about that comment. Its just standard NASA point

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:35:14 UTC No. 16367671

>>16367658
Perfect and when a current event is happening try to do that as the OP. We don't need a old buran picture if a new starship launch just happened. But this is good, maybe we can resuscitate /sfg/ again.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:38:34 UTC No. 16367675

>>16367657
in 2017 it was supposed to happen in 2020

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:39:39 UTC No. 16367678

i love space and space flight, bros

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:41:13 UTC No. 16367681

>>16367452
Will read this further later, from the abstract I get that high planet count systems are less likely to have planets in every single gap, but this still doesnt answer the question of how these gaps formed. Was it then just random irregular low density at that region in the ealry protoplanetary disk, or one of the other options I stated, or was it maybe Neptune migrating inwards? Need to read more on ALL of this but was a good start in understanding this discovery thanks anon.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:41:38 UTC No. 16367682

>>16367675
In 2017, the plan was Red Dragon. That was canned because Sen Shelby threatened NASA to not pursue it or else cutting off commercial crew contracts. Or are you planning to be a retard?

When that wasn't going, Musk had to think of another plan to make it self-fundable program and do it in abundance. And not just a tiny capsule.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:42:42 UTC No. 16367683

>>16367671
I mean resuscitate but didnt we just have two 1000 post threads in a row with no janny thread deletions. I will take your advice to heart but we werent on the verge of death like 350 posts at page 10

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:46:43 UTC No. 16367685

>>16367660
your are a high quality /sfg/ poster

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:48:16 UTC No. 16367687

>>16367682
Nope. I have a screenshot from a 2017 presentation where Musk has a slide they plan on landing Starship on the Mars or Moon (can't remember) in 2020

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:53:04 UTC No. 16367695

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:54:45 UTC No. 16367698

I barely post, half the time I just read the threads after they've already archived. I don't have anything smart to say, I just like big fire stick

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:59:11 UTC No. 16367701

>>16367698
Burn the reddit negative nancy troons.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:10:09 UTC No. 16367709

>>16367687

May we see it?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:10:15 UTC No. 16367710

>>16367683
I get that but I have stopped by before in the middle of the night USTZ and its been pretty dead.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:11:37 UTC No. 16367712

Can we talk about the Blue Origin interview? Its made me incredibly excited for the future.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:15:26 UTC No. 16367719

>>16367557

/pol/ threads have zero intelligent content. Just racism and Chan buzz words. /sfg/ is mostly informed and on topic.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:16:49 UTC No. 16367722

>>16367719
>>>/pol/480962116
You should check it out.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:34:19 UTC No. 16367735

>>16367722

The n word is used 11 times in the thread. No thanks.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:36:59 UTC No. 16367739

>>16367712
It was insane

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:39:43 UTC No. 16367743

>>16367712
Nobody cares. Its a somewhat capable (in theory) rocket system, but the whole company and Jeff Bezos demeanor stinks like shit and lobbying corruption. Also, New Glenn is a distant second place in technology, old-ass, slow and expensive obsolete methods, turtle slow, the employees hate it there, and the management is impeding the progress of our one true hope by any means possible through lawfare. Its REALLY hard to like this feather thing, but we tend to cringe and like all rockets because we like rockets, science and engineering, and this one is second place, which isn't bad, silver medal is still valuable but the path to get there was a shitshow.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:42:28 UTC No. 16367748

>>16367735

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:44:32 UTC No. 16367750

>>16367735
So scary omg they say no-no words! Get over yourself.
Thread V3
>>>/pol/480974130
>>>/pol/480974130
>>>/pol/480974130

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:47:28 UTC No. 16367757

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:49:20 UTC No. 16367758

>>16367743
Did you watch part 2? Hes got the bug you can see it and he is trying to cut cost through long term rapid reuse. Hes going about it like its Amazon and its looking like a winner. Its incredibly exciting because its filling in the gaps of space infastructure as Musk shoots for Mars. Its truly exciting. And they are pumping out BE-4s almost as fast as raptors.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:50:28 UTC No. 16367759

>>16367757
On no off by 4 whole years!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:58:41 UTC No. 16367765

>>16367116
0% if they don't at least try
unknown % if they do
worth a shot

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:00:07 UTC No. 16367766

>>16367758
The lies you believe inspire you, so I will not piss in your Cheerios any more.
Let me guess, you are a student under 21? How did I know? Keep on keeping on with your optimism, we need it sometimes.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:01:09 UTC No. 16367767

>>16367133
we should have like a little drone with propellent and gas thrusters to go after lost spacemen and bring them back

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:01:54 UTC No. 16367768

>>16367344
>what if instead of a “Planet X” we’ve been thinking of it all wrong? What if instead the answer is “Star X,” a hypothetical red or brown dwarf star
aka "spicy planet"

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:06:25 UTC No. 16367776

>>16367767
maybe a handle on the astronauts suit that the robot can grab even if he's unconscious. but if he's spinning out of control that's tricky maybe a soft grabber thing that cushions the astronauts momentum and bringing him to a stop in conjunction with the drones thrusters maybe working with the astronauts thrusters in a coordinated way if he has any gas left.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:15:49 UTC No. 16367790

>>16367639
They literally work for the same people. It's just a cosmetic change for advertising purposes.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:16:58 UTC No. 16367792

>>16367557
Toodles! Ta-ta! Bon Voyage!
don't come back.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:19:23 UTC No. 16367796

>>16367709
if you weren't such a delusional muskrat you would just take my word for it and not ask for a source

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:21:35 UTC No. 16367798

>>16367712
Blue Origin doesn't blow up enough rockets in testing, so I don't like them.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:27:11 UTC No. 16367804

>>16367798
yeah seeing some failure out of blue origin would boost my confidence in them. you have to fail to learn. stuff has to explode. simulations can only simulate so much.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:27:36 UTC No. 16367806

No manned Mars landing before 2040.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:28:59 UTC No. 16367807

>>16367682
>>16367687
>>16367709
>>16367796
There's no contradiction, Starship was always, OSTENSIBLY^ meant to support Mars colonization. This has been true since the days when it was called BFR. Red Dragon was simultaneously proposed as a way for SpaceX to get the Mars ball rolling, but was obviously inadequate for colonization.


^ it's for BP btw

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:37:29 UTC No. 16367812

>>16367806

china on track for a 2033 attempt.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:39:52 UTC No. 16367814

>>16367812
Nah, that's when they land on the Moon. They'll still beat Artemis

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:40:26 UTC No. 16367815

>>16367328
>Subaru Telescope
lol

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:44:15 UTC No. 16367816

>>16367464
Falcon 9 is refurbishable not reusable, Musk admits this.
Starship will also be refurbishable not reusable, since the insane performance of the engines will mean they have a low lifespan, and the thermal tiles need to be replaced etc.
New Glenn could be actually reusable, or at least closer to it. If that's the case then it will win. It could even beat starship, since a very cheap expendable upper stage could be better than an expensive to refurbish and low performance reusable upper stage.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:56:13 UTC No. 16367829

>>16367815
You do know "Subaru" is the nip name for the pleiades, right? It's kind of right there in the logo of the car manufacturer.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:58:28 UTC No. 16367831

Dumpster fire thread, drop rocks on it from orbit.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:58:29 UTC No. 16367832

>>16367462
>>16367485
What the fuck is wrong with you

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:59:31 UTC No. 16367834

>>16367816
Starship will be reusable. Engine replacements don't need to be done after every mission, and the tiles don't need to be replaced after every mission either. Furthermore the tiles are only on the upper, not the booster, and only booster reuse is in the pipeline for New Glenn. Upper reuse is a long-term goal for New Glenn that they haven't even started on. By the time they might have that ready, SpaceX will already have a small city on Mars.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:00:26 UTC No. 16367836

>>16367462
>>16367485
>half the thread is "space is fake" schizos, and the other half is "NaSA LOst ThE TecHNOlOgY" retards
Go there and don't come back.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:02:32 UTC No. 16367840

>>16367816
>Starship will also be refurbishable not reusable, since the insane performance of the engines will mean they have a low lifespan
That's not how it works. FFSC engines have the greatest potential for reuse as the cycle toils the least on the rocket engine through repeated use.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:04:22 UTC No. 16367844

>>16367531
>a life support system that works in space and on mars
Any life support system that works in space will also work anywhere else

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:05:23 UTC No. 16367846

>>16367581
Fuck

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:07:32 UTC No. 16367850

>>16367649
>grow
Who is asking for this?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:10:38 UTC No. 16367855

>>16367148
>2 years
It's already 2026...

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:14:53 UTC No. 16367859

>>16367372
but that wouldn't really simulate it though

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:17:31 UTC No. 16367862

What the FUCK happened in this thread last night? Who is linking /pol/ here? What has been happening here lately??

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:17:43 UTC No. 16367863

>>16367668
There's plenty if you read the thread

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:19:23 UTC No. 16367865

>>16367829
thats gay

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:20:29 UTC No. 16367867

>>16367649
>good OP images that are eye catching thumbnails
Newfaggot moron, lurk before dictating what we should do. This is /sci/, and this general already makes up 10% of posts on this board. If /sci/ regulars are compelled to enter this thread discussion devolves into whether or not the moon is real

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:24:48 UTC No. 16367870

>>16367862
It's the best thing ever happened to sfg
If /pol/ starts to have their own space threads they could finally leave.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:25:52 UTC No. 16367875

>>16367462
>>16367485
based

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:30:26 UTC No. 16367878

>>16367870
I don't even care about the nigger word, discussion on /pol/ entails spamming your uninformed opinion as fast as possible in a thread that won't be there in 10 minutes. Them coming here en mass would be a disaster. This is the only place online where I can blame the SLS on the jews and not get banned instantly

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:33:01 UTC No. 16367882

>>16367496
>science communicator
>sucks at communicating
It’s bizarre, really. He is a fool.
Sagan was great at public outreach. Sagan was probably the one and only cool popsoi scientist—especially because he sort of generated and proliferated ‘popular science’ before it went reddit. Cosmos was awesome, and his work to get the public interested in Mars and the thought of realistic alien life was great. Based jew I say

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:33:58 UTC No. 16367886

fags

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:37:56 UTC No. 16367892

Is Musk diverting attention again because he knows Starship can't land on the moon?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:38:06 UTC No. 16367894

>>16367712
It's hard to listen to either of them and I couldn't bring myself to watch it.


>>16367878
>/pol/ is a person
>anons only use one board
Enough with the retarded fallacies and shitting up the thread with meta commentary please.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:39:32 UTC No. 16367897

>>16367892
>can't land on the moon
Elaborate

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:43:47 UTC No. 16367904

>>16367649
It’s not about growing its about being cordial to the fellow autist who all follow the unspoken rules. Train autists arent out there wanting more and more train autist people, they just want more trains and more train passengers/train stations to support more trains.
Don’t bring in assholes, flat earthers, off-topic political pseuds, /k/tards, etc into the comfy corner of spaceflight autism

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:44:46 UTC No. 16367906

>>16367897
It's too big to land without a landing pad

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:44:52 UTC No. 16367907

>>16367829
>In the end he gave the company a Japanese name that he "had been cherishing in his heart": Subaru, which is the Japanese name for the Pleiades star cluster.
Based. When will they start making rockets or space hardware?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:50:31 UTC No. 16367912

>>16367907
In a different timeline when Nakajima Aerospace exists

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:51:21 UTC No. 16367913

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832747307139305551

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:52:15 UTC No. 16367915

>>16367906
According to whom?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:56:45 UTC No. 16367924

>>16367915
Statics

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:03:38 UTC No. 16367932

>>16367906
Dimension isn't really the issue.
Anyway it has been considered this design so that retro rockets wouldn't cause too much damage to the terrain.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:03:50 UTC No. 16367933

>>16367924
starship will have a higher precision than the landing module of apollo, whoes cep was some kilometers.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:07:28 UTC No. 16367937

>>16367933
>whoes cep was some kilometers
doubt

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:16:08 UTC No. 16367950

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832750031566197082
>SpaceX now controls nearly 62% of all active satellites in orbit

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:18:03 UTC No. 16367955

>>16367950
DESPITE

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:20:09 UTC No. 16367961

>>16367937
your doubts are meaningless

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:21:42 UTC No. 16367963

>>16367932
>more weight up high
I am guessing downstairs is the cargo bay. What if they empty that?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:34:19 UTC No. 16367979

>artist's impression of "habitable earth-like exoplanet"
>the land is covered in green flora exactly like earth

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:41:46 UTC No. 16367991

>>16367671
I think that is mostly a function of interesting things happening
if nothing happens, there is not much to discuss
but a lot of stuff is going to happen in the coming years, its just going to get more and more interesting, not just with Starship but other launchers, space stations and other payloads for starship, more human spaceflight outside the NASA envelope

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:44:58 UTC No. 16367992

>>16367268
It really depends on what is done about the problem of faggots like EDSHound, the development of starship really depends on having launches every few months.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:45:30 UTC No. 16367994

>>16367712
didn't really make me especially excited but at least it confirms that they aren't completely dead
if they actually start launching, I might get more excited

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:47:16 UTC No. 16367997

>>16367758
its just words for now

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:51:59 UTC No. 16368004

>>16367992
has to be much faster than a few months soon

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:56:27 UTC No. 16368007

>>16367766
Nope. Also where is the lie?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:57:08 UTC No. 16368010

>>16367268
The main roadblock isn't SpaceX, its regulatory framework. Whether that is delaying hearings because of fake water splashes in the middle of the fucking swamp or new Kamala harris which would put a lot of pain in SpaceX/Tesla's path.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:01:00 UTC No. 16368016

>>16368010
Starship is not ready to launch

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:02:05 UTC No. 16368020

>>16367790

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:02:37 UTC No. 16368021

>>16368016
it would have been without these regulatory delays
of course SpaceX is going to use the time for something if they can't launch due to bullshit

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:02:55 UTC No. 16368022

>>16367836
>>16367832
The space is fake posts are from a bot and the thread is pretty good. This is the new one
>>>/pol/480974130

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:03:06 UTC No. 16368023

>>16368016
You've sucked 10 dicks since yesterday.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:07:28 UTC No. 16368029

>>16368021
Seems to me that making sure arms are capable of catching is pretty important

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:10:51 UTC No. 16368032

>>16368029
Pretty sure everything is pretty important. But nothing dictates that everything must be perfect before anything is to be done. Even with 20 years of SLS, the Orion still had issues and they still cant control cost for anything

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:12:39 UTC No. 16368038

>>16368029
they were probably capable before and now they are just killing time by adding all kinds of random ass reinforcements

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:12:54 UTC No. 16368040

>>16367127
Have t been following. What happened with Zubrin?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:12:59 UTC No. 16368041

>>16368032
Catching has to be perfect, failure can delay the whole program for months.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:13:19 UTC No. 16368042

>>16368022
GO THERE AND DON'T COME BACK

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:13:51 UTC No. 16368044

>>16368041
Thats to be determined. Hypothetical issues that may or may not pan out should not be a reason to delay. The delay here is just regulatory right now.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:14:54 UTC No. 16368045

>>16368038
With the booster dry mass being overweight compared to planned mass (due to all the filters and reinforcements), the margin on the arms is probably lower than they'd like

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:15:41 UTC No. 16368046

>>16368044
Failure that destroys everything around the tower or even damages the tower, I'm not talking about beetles being cooked

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:18:18 UTC No. 16368048

>>16368046
You're confusing fictional hypothetical failure with real delays. Your head cannon isn't likely to be real and there are other realities were it does succeed. So dont confuse a hypothetical problem with reals.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:19:44 UTC No. 16368049

>>16368029
They’re building the second (upgraded) tower now. The first tower will need dismantled anyway. The catch test is more a proof of concept that the booster can hit the mark and all the controls will sequence.

>they should use giant Optimus hands

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:20:54 UTC No. 16368050

Give it to me straight. Is Breakthrough Starshot feasible at all? Will we see it happen in our lifetime?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:22:27 UTC No. 16368054

>>16368004
I would be happy to see that kind of cadence, but right now the fat ass of left-leaning authoritarian government is being squatted onto Starship by a few lunatics who have discovered how to manipulate it for jollies. Refer to this:
>>16367913
>A journey of 100 mllion miles starts with one step

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:22:51 UTC No. 16368055

>>16367867
It used to make up much more and i was here before these threads were called sfg. I figured the old meme would tell you that but you are too new

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:23:31 UTC No. 16368058

>>16368048
The reality is that there's higher chance of failure than success considering spacex track record with starship

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:24:23 UTC No. 16368060

>>16367904
Itnwas about growing it within /sci/, aka people who fit.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:25:52 UTC No. 16368061

>>16368050
It’s possible on a technical level but it’s like project Orion: not going to happen because of regulation. It would require a death laser worth billions and billions

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:25:54 UTC No. 16368062

>>16368042
How about no
>>>/pol/480974130
>>>/pol/480974130
>>>/pol/480974130
>>>/pol/480974130

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:27:09 UTC No. 16368063

>>16368060
Have you ever visited /sci/ outside of /sfg/?? Are you dumb???????
Either you find this general organically and lurk or you fuck off. It’s not our prerogative to go advertise and welcome idiot newcomers. You should gb2x

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:28:29 UTC No. 16368066

>>16368058
>personal fictional head canon imposed upon spacex
YIKES

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:31:37 UTC No. 16368069

>>16368060
>>16367649
>muh growth, muh advertising
This general isn't a commercial product you fuckwit retard.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:32:59 UTC No. 16368070

>>16368049
Tower sure, but what about tank farms? They are scarily close to the tower.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:33:12 UTC No. 16368071

>>16368069
You obviously weren't here back when it was actually good.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:34:17 UTC No. 16368072

>>16368071
You have no idea what you’re talking about, /sfg/ was good precisely because of intense gatekeeping

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:34:46 UTC No. 16368073

>>16368061
I hate governments so fucking much.
>project breakthrough has only recieved $100m in funding
>meanwhile kike wars in europe get billions

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:35:30 UTC No. 16368074

>>16368071
Trying to rope newfags into this general is nothing short of sabotage. Anybody with an earnest interest and appreciation for spaceflight finds this general already without any of your "help". You need to rope yourself.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:37:25 UTC No. 16368075

>>16368073
99.9% of the general public and elected officials don’t give a shit about space

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:38:16 UTC No. 16368076

>>16368022
dude fuck off. what is your thought process here

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:40:04 UTC No. 16368079

>>16368070
Dunno m8. Everyone involved seems willing to take the risk. I’m not onsite on the ground so I can’t comment on it. I would assume a real answer would come from the groundskeeper.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:40:29 UTC No. 16368080

>>16367661
SpaceX is willing to take on young people.
People moving is just a side effect of that.
It's not like old space where you invest to much if your life to get into an engineering position at northrop, aerojet, etc and you basically pledge allegiance to said company because your 40 and need a pension to retire.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:41:07 UTC No. 16368081

>>16368075
It's because they're Jewish or non-white. Only whites care about knowledge and exploration.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:42:11 UTC No. 16368082

>>16368045
Hasnt stopped them before (see IFT-1)
Its the FAA

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:44:31 UTC No. 16368085

>>16368072
>>16368074
Blah blah blah. You are the reason its bren dead since 2020

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:44:44 UTC No. 16368087

>>16368081
Only American whites care about it as a default position. Other than a few nomadic tribes, the “wanderlust/explorer” gene expresses in ~10% of the population. In Western Europe it’s ~20%. In America it’s ~40%.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:45:27 UTC No. 16368089

>>16367116
100% if the chud uprising succeeds

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:45:47 UTC No. 16368090

>>16368060
Fucking moron. Go look at the fucking catalog. If you weren't a FUCKING NEWFAGGOT you'd know that posting quality drops off every time we're back to page 1

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:46:48 UTC No. 16368091

>>16368081
Nah I actually think this goes beyond the globohomo cabal. Many whites think NASA is some federal psyop agency and that the earth is flat. Or they are progressive and think it pollutes the earth, steals resources, and mirrors some sort of exaggerated racist colonial boogieman past.
People just don’t care about space—I’m not sure if it’s a lack of good science communication, a proliferation of protest*nt religious belief, a general lack of general intelligence because the Dept of Education has taken America into a nosedive, or what. I can’t speak for euros or anyone outside of the US—but as for America? It’s a real problem. People either don’t care or actively hate space

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:46:51 UTC No. 16368092

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1832283941920801135

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:47:22 UTC No. 16368093

>>16368085
>dozens of people tell me I'm a retarded newfag and I need to fuck off
>they're the problem

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:49:18 UTC No. 16368095

>>16368085
>hey guys, let's attract a lot of /pol/tard space is fake schizos into this thread, because more posts means better
Kill yourself.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:49:49 UTC No. 16368098

>>16368085
FUCK OFF
LEAVE
AMSCRAY
GET OUT OF HERE AND STAY OUT

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:49:56 UTC No. 16368099

>>16368092
I think boeing was fighting tooth and nail to have Butch and Suni come back aboard Starliner, safety margins met or not, and now there is obviously some sort of kink in the Boeing-NASA relationship that’s turning sour quickly

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:51:01 UTC No. 16368101

>>16368085
Idiot

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:53:05 UTC No. 16368105

>>16368091
It’s a lack of good science communication. Science is nerdy so even absolute exciting wins in space isn’t really understood. There are government agencies actively working to subvert space exploration. There is little discussion of how space age technologies help everyday people. No one drinks Tang anymore except niggers.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:53:12 UTC No. 16368106

>>16368085
>show up two days ago
>make two threads incorrectly
>post thread to /pol/
>post /pol/ here
I wish I could kill you in real life

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:57:01 UTC No. 16368110

>>16368091
>poor education to the younger generation
>also a lack of appeal to the younger generation
>chemicals in clothes/water/reciepts has made men less manly i.e. less curious, no desire to explore etc.
>kike propaganda/conditioning has also made the white man lazy with little ambition
>(((conspiracy theories))) like flat earth, space is fake etc. gaining popularity
>at least half the population of the west turns to modern liberalism, which gives them the beliefs that you listed
>too many niggers and women in positions of power = no powerful people with genuine drive
>scientists hate appealing to normal people (who the fuck cares about the third mercury scientific orbiter and the billionth jupiter moon probe, we want landers and real photographs, and dragonfly getting cancelled which would've helped increase normie interest)
It's a fucked time we're living in. All of these problems feed into eachother as well, making it worse. Imagine where we would be today if space exploration hadn't slowly died down after the Apollo program.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:57:55 UTC No. 16368112

>>16368091
>People just don’t care about space
It's because NASA has been getting jack-shit accomplished for literally generations now. They like to talk about all the "important science" that gets done on the ISS but even if normalfags don't understand the subject well they can feel in their bones that sprouting beans and floating balls of tang around in microgravity isn't actually important science that is going to change their own lives in any way.

Colonization could fix this, if it is done with a serious approach with the long-term in mind. If it's just a bunch of tin cans sitting around reminiscent of McMurdo station then people will very quickly grow disinterested and tune it out again. The way to keep the public attentive to the situation is to go pedal to the metal, plowing ahead and never stop innovating and developing. Don't give them time to become accustomed to what you're doing, that's when they stop caring.

NASA is institutionally incapable of this. They're dead weight. The future is SpaceX and, with any luck, other companies like them.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:58:41 UTC No. 16368113

>>16368110
It's funny how they'll question white man's greatest achievement, but if you question the official narrative of WWII you get excommunicated by everyone around you.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:59:05 UTC No. 16368114

>>16368105
Hot take but the whole “investing in space makes life on earth better” is such a weak argument. And it’s usually the first go-to argument people use to defend space.
Inevitably, the question arises: “give me an example” and usually all that is said is GPS, solar panels, and memory foam mattresses. And some “material science advancement” hand waving.
I’m not saying it’s wrong! I’m just saying we need better examples than
>it makes life on earth better
>okay but what if some giant unicorn one day randomly smashed into planet earth, and like, everyone DIED! That’s why we need trillions of dollars sent to Mars
This simply does not resonate with normies

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:00:25 UTC No. 16368115

>>16368110
Public schools are responsible for a lot of it. They mix actual science education with a lot of obvious politically-oriented bullshit and then everybody acts surprised when kids become suspicious of everything they've been taught and throw the baby out with the bath water.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:00:54 UTC No. 16368117

I want to believe.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:01:30 UTC No. 16368118

>>16368114
> give me an example

The camera used in Hubble is also used on early detection mammogram machines which have reduced breast cancer deaths by orders of magnitude since the 90s.

>this supposes you think women living longer is a good thing

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:01:39 UTC No. 16368119

>>16368106
At least he's too stupid to ever blend properly, he may as well be wearing a tripcode for how recognizable his dipshittery is.
>>16368112
>>16368110
It's absolutely baffling to me how hard the ball has been dropped here, watching Sojourner as a kid is what made me interested in probes/rovers/space beyond watching a Shuttle launch. It's fucking spaceflight, it sells itself, how could they fuck up this bad on inspiring kids? Look at this shit, this shit isn't gonna make kids care about SLS.
>>16368085
Fuck off and STAY fucked off you fag.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:01:55 UTC No. 16368120

>>16368112
I think we have to collectively be willing to make sacrifices for the greater cause. Apollo was a massive risk, and it certainly had great losses. But without having took those risks, the Moon landings would never have been achieved. Space exploration cannot happen without sacrifices - it's just impossible, but they're too afraid to risk anything nowadays. The main problem is that the media and public will make a huge stink out of it, especially if it's someone like SpaceX.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:02:42 UTC No. 16368123

>>16367268
If he's planning to send humans in 4 years, that means they need to already be working on designs of the manned ship, in space life support, Martian life support, habs, ground vehicles, etc. and the return mission. On top of that they need working ISRU propellant equipment or Martian fuel depots. They should be building and testIng hardware now.

Although I am a zero (I believe in Elon even when Elon doesn't believe in Elon, even when well established physical laws disagree with Elon, even when clear and convincing evidence disagrees with Elon), I don't see how you go from one unmanned fleet to a manned flight. They need to test the return flight. Maybe they will test their return scheme between 2024 and 2026, but that seems like a lot to accomplish, especially since there won't be any opportunities to modify the hardware once it's on Mars. Two years between iterations is almost as bad as old space.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:03:32 UTC No. 16368125

>>16368114
Computer chips became a commercial product because the Apollo program made it necessary to figure out how to mass produce them. If it wasn't for thd development and the demand funded by it we would be literally decades behind in every area related to it, which would drastically change the entire world tonsay the least. Or for normalfags, no iphone and tiktok.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:04:56 UTC No. 16368127

>>16368123
>They need to test the return flight.
Return?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:06:48 UTC No. 16368128

>>16368114
>>Hot take but the whole “investing in space makes life on earth better” is such a weak argument. And it’s usually the first go-to argument people use to defend space.
>Inevitably, the question arises: “give me an example” and usually all that is said is GPS, solar panels, and memory foam mattresses
What's worse is most of those arguments can be defused by somebody (cynically or correctly) pointing out that they were actually developed for military purposes, not for space exploration. People are already primed to think that NASA spending is just a cover story for military spending (even though in reality, it's usually NASA inheriting hardware/technology already funded by the military), so NASA achievements actually being military achievements is an easy pill for them to swallow. This makes them disinterested in space and distrustful of any real authentic claims about the benefits of space exploration.

Just one example, there are many, GPS. As you say it's popular to taught the value of NASA and/or space exploration by pointing out the every-day usefulness of GPS. But it doesn't take much research to figure out that satellite positioning systems were created by the military to enable accurate ballistic missile targeting from submarines. Somebody who's told that NASA was responsible for GPS will either already know that wasn't true or will eventually learn it, and then they will learn to distrust anything else ever said in defense of space exploration. One "white lie" to defend the space program does incalculable damage in the long run. Space proponents think they're helping the cause by misleading people like this but it's counter productive.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:07:55 UTC No. 16368129

>>16368106
I wasn't here 2 days ago...

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:08:25 UTC No. 16368130

>>16368114
The basic truth of it is that you do not need to convince normies. SpaceX has a plan to do it privately and they're on track to have more money than NASA. By the time there is a self sustaining city on Mars there will be less people living in it than people on Earth that think space is fake. These people simply won't go. They won't be a part of our infinite outward expansion, and that's a good thing

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:09:19 UTC No. 16368132

>>16367319
His will be the first consciousness uploaded to a computer. Neuralink must, Neuralink will develop the technology in time. If Elon never truly dies we will have a future on Mars.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:09:21 UTC No. 16368133

>>16368120
It's true. And as much as Congress/NASA may not like to admit it, danger keeps people interested. People watch NASACAR for the wrecks. People tuned their television to watch broadcasts about Apollo 13 after the accident, not before. Keep pushing the boundaries, have occasional accidents, and people will stay interested.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:09:24 UTC No. 16368134

>>16368091
>>16368105
>>16368110
Globalism doesn't work if you have people outside the globe. So the people in power have psyoped the normies against spaceflight so thoroughly, that even nationalists spout retarded anti-space propaganda. Which makes no sense considering there is nothing more prestigious for a country than spaceflight. If your space program works, it means you have so many other industries in good shape. Hopefully Elon gets into office and becomes a grey cardinal.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:10:10 UTC No. 16368135

I wish there was a way to fund spaceflight without the support of normies. Starlink is the closest thing there is to that ideal.
We should just leave them on this planet while we advance the species in space and on other celestial bodies. Earth will be known as the planet where retards who don't want to advance humanity stay.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:13:21 UTC No. 16368141

>>16368130
you’re correct in a world of good faith but the flip side of this is that it is ONLY private, i.e. it can be stopped by people with bad intentions (of which there are many)
We can’t approach space with a “live and let live” mindset where we think we can just go off and do our own thing. We tried that with society, now look where the West is. Crabs will pull us back into the bucket

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:13:32 UTC No. 16368142

>>16368123
Literally everything Elon is involved in revolves around him retiring on Mars. Electric vehicles, comms, boring, solar, AI, farms in a shipping container etc. Most of what is needed is actively being worked on. I think fuel production should be started soon though.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:13:55 UTC No. 16368143

>>16368135
Will we come back to our beautiful home one day in numbers of the trillions to liberate it?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:15:40 UTC No. 16368146

>>16368134
This has always made me scratch my head. American nationalists calling the Moon landings… staged? The single greatest achievement in history done by WHITE AMERICANS planting a US flag on the Moon and absolutely curbstomping the communists, sending their teeth into orbit. And people want to say it was all fake?!
It’s not even like it’s some modern Russian disinformation campaign because they are salty and want petty revenge. It’s literally just pure distilled retardation!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:16:04 UTC No. 16368147

>>16368143
If by "liberate" you mean "exterminate the extant human population with keyed bioweapons, leaving Earth a depopulated but verdant garden world teeming with wildlife"

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:16:52 UTC No. 16368150

>>16367372
Yes, it's a good idea. They need to test that fucking hardware and get as many hours on it as possible as soon as possible. (Need to build it first, though)

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:17:30 UTC No. 16368151

>>16368128
As the op on that string, I don’t really give a fuck about NASA. Space tech is space tech and exploring space, even if for the purpose of military performance, is overall better for humanity.

>all the early scientific voyages in the age of sail were also military voyages

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:17:37 UTC No. 16368152

>>16368129
We can tell

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:17:38 UTC No. 16368153

>>16368146
>The single greatest achievement in history done by WHITE AMERICANS
*Nazi Germans
White Americans just placed the flag on the moon, paperclipped German scientists designed the rockets that got them there.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:18:05 UTC No. 16368154

>>16368146
I do not believe in flat earthers, I don't legitimately think there are any real ones. It's all disinfo and trolls, every last one of them. I refuse to entertain any other notion. They're all just bad liars.
>yeah bro I totally think the earth is a disc lol
no you don't, quit being retarded

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:20:16 UTC No. 16368155

>>16368141
The strategic advantage to an American base with China's current aims means that there will not be any serious impediment by the government. The military would step in. Even the goal of full self sufficiency implies an off world chip factory, which opens up all sorts of new possibilities for war. The military wants it so it'll happen regardless of administration, because the government doesn't have to pay for it. We're pretty well positioned here actually

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:22:14 UTC No. 16368157

>>16367478
If possible they'll shrink the receiver (not using standard cell phone protocols) until it fits in a handheld device and then cell phones proper (using cell towers) will be obsolete.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:22:48 UTC No. 16368158

>>16368153
My long-held belief is that the germans needed the americans and the americans needed the germans.
We filled in each others’ gaps. Germs would have over-engineered a lunar landing architecture to the point where it had way too many failure points and the hardware complexity might have even confused God himself. Americans alone would have kept exploding shit test after test, and not hit critical design milestones early enough to get there. Plus we basically have the germans infinite resources which is what WvB ultimately wanted while he was in Germany.
A yin to our yang, if you will

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:23:11 UTC No. 16368159

>>16368155
> The military wants it so it'll happen regardless of administration

They don’t though. We could refocus their effort I suppose, there’s actually more money in it. But, there’s something else going on with the powers that be trying to drag us down instead of build us up.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:23:41 UTC No. 16368160

Will we ever get a high resolution true color image of another sun beyond our star?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:23:57 UTC No. 16368161

>>16367490
What a polite reply! I would have called him a nigger then and there.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:24:34 UTC No. 16368162

>>16368155
It’s a great point and I agree
But I’d also like to entertain the blackpill option where China does indeed ramp up launches and gets boots on the Moon and looks forward to Mars-but congress simply isn’t rattled and doesn’t care and the air force / space force aren’t given green lights for anything. Because this is a real possibility.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:25:48 UTC No. 16368163

>>16367526
I will.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:31:02 UTC No. 16368166

>>16368160
how

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:31:12 UTC No. 16368167

>>16368160
Unlikely within our lifetime
For now, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stars_with_resolved_images

pic caption:
>Using ESO’s Very Large Telescope Interferometer astronomers have constructed this remarkable image of the red supergiant star Antares. This is the most detailed image ever of this object, or any other star apart from the Sun.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:34:20 UTC No. 16368169

Regardless of the possibility of whether or not alien life exists, does /sfg/ (that means (You)) *want* alien life to exist or no?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:36:32 UTC No. 16368171

>>16368169
I'm so bored of this species that I will take the mystery box of ayys over the rest of you

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:36:48 UTC No. 16368172

>>16368169
Yes

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:46:10 UTC No. 16368179

>>16368169
I have a lot to say but I’ll keep it brief:
>the universe is so fucking big I think it’s dumb to say self-replicating “life” isn’t out there somewhere. Even if we are being super specific and saying it has to be just like us: RNA/DNA based. It still HAS to be somewhere else
>Im open to the idea that there COULD be civilizations just as advanced as us. I don’t think we necessarily have to expect to see signs of them zipping around. Space is huge, space is very black and hard to resolve signals from. Inconsequential to me whether or not we ever make contact
>the coolest option would be finding evidence of a similarly technologically-capable civilization that is not extinct. All we find are the relics
The conversation is much too popsoi I’m afraid. So I’ll just leave it to what I wrote above

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:46:28 UTC No. 16368180

>>16368146
It's intentional. It's part of the whole ongoing campaign to destroy/erase/smear any and every hero or myth. It's why religion was attacked so viciously to the point where if you hear "catholic priest" you think pedophile. It's why space is deemed fake. It's why the founding fathers are called racist slave owners. It's why every book adaptation now is woke shit.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:47:57 UTC No. 16368183

>>16368179
*that IS extinct
Sorry. I meant it would be cool to find an extinct civilization.
Like the space jockey from Alien (please ignore Prometheus it’s a retarded movie that takes away from the mystery)

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:48:26 UTC No. 16368185

>>16368167
>π Gru
Holy Jesus this thing looks crazy. Is this actually true color? If so, I had no idea that stars could actually have this sort of color variation. I always got rid of it in my renders where I could.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:51:43 UTC No. 16368188

>>16368180
But why? What’s the point of dragging us down? That’s the point I don’t understand.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:53:47 UTC No. 16368191

>>16368188
America is the final boss for Commies, they've been trying to destroy it forever by brainwashing the masses.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:56:33 UTC No. 16368195

>>16368169
I would feel very smug if we find out that ayys exist and they're all just monocular or at the very most simple fungi.
I would also be willing to give up 1 world (not mars) to planetary protectionists if they were found there and we were even slightly confident they weren't elsewhere

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:57:52 UTC No. 16368197

>>16368169
I made this post and I'm going to samefag reply to it with my answer now that a few other anons have replied to it.
No - I don't want aliens to exist, even being as much of a misanthrope as I am. I don't want there to ever be a limit on human expansion throughout the galaxy, and if intelligent alien life were to exist we would have to respect their territorial boundaries. And if there was only unintelligent alien life we still likely wouldn't colonize those worlds out of some non-interference principle.
My ideal space future would be like an endless Manifest Destiny. Human conflict would be resolved by simply moving to a new world to not put up with those who are causing you conflict.
There's enough planets out there for every small community to have one. If aliens existed, this would be an impossibility and we would have to compete with them for worlds and get along with each other as humans (cringe).

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:59:48 UTC No. 16368202

>>16368195
I agree. It’s castle doctrine if we find you on Mars; it belongs to us.
I’d be fine with some Star Trek tier prime directive for alien microbes anywhere else though

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 14:59:52 UTC No. 16368203

>>16367712
Hardware poor development sucks and doesn't work, they're moving so slowly that they might actually not launch in 2024, which would be insane, and they've never been to orbit despite being around longer than most /sfg/ posters have been alive. The time between New Glenn's planned first launch and now is around half of the entire development time of the Apollo program. They need to actually launch something, there's no way around it. Until then, I don't really care about a "rocket company" that has never been to space.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:00:35 UTC No. 16368205

>>16368191
But why? I don’t get the purpose of tearing us down.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:01:16 UTC No. 16368206

Remember when we were so reliant on Russia?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:01:20 UTC No. 16368207

>>16367521

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:02:21 UTC No. 16368209

>>16368188
>That’s the point I don’t understand.
Because you're not inherently evil, with a diseased mind bent towards dominating your fellow man, you'd have to think well outside of your own viewpoint to understand these "people" and their aims. Actual evil is completely real, there's no ambiguity to it. Some people are just demons, and such people tend to worm their way into positions of power. It is my opinion that institutions/organizations tend to attract power-hungry unscrupulous cuntwads, while ejecting good-natured well-meaning people. A good person won't stab someone else in the back to get ahead, a bad person will, ergo bad people advance while good people regress. Extrapolate this out for a few decades and you've got naturally-evolved systems comprised entirely of evil people, which explains the actions of those systems today.
>>16368205
"You will do as I say, or you will die." -evil

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:02:28 UTC No. 16368210

>>16368197
Even if we had hypothetical infinite energy and the ability to simply leave one star system for another to avoid war, it would not solve the innate problem of human nature.
Humans are very tribalistic and hierarchal. Children get in fights, adults get in political squabbles over power and job positions and playing favorites. Very 'Cain and Abel' since the fall

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:04:11 UTC No. 16368211

>>16368205
they’re evil, Godless faggots

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:05:45 UTC No. 16368213

>>16368188
>>16368205
What's hard to understand? It's so you and your posterity will be dumb, ignorant, rootless, cultureless, heritageless goodestgoy consumers only interested in buying shit and chasing the latest popculture fads. There's no money to be made by having the general public interested in spaceflight. So the NGOs, marketing research firms and media conglomerates behind all of this don't push it. You don't hate journalists and marketers enough.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:08:26 UTC No. 16368215

>>16367488
I'm sure it's some autistic argument about milestones like SpaceX is only now doing a spacewalk and NASA did that 60 years ago. Shuttle was already partial reuse like Falcon 9! etc. I doubt HLS will count as something that NASA hasn't done no matter how much mass they bring down and up.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:11:51 UTC No. 16368218

>>16368205
Commies represent the very essence of humanity’s biggest flaws turned into an “political” system.
Hell, the CCCP handicapped their own efforts to reach the Moon before America because Glushko prioritized throwing Korolev to the dogs over just working it out and getting man to the Moon. For political reasons. Bunch of fags they are, and now they’re rearing their ugly heads again in America expect this time it’s not “politically correct” to be like McCarthy and rip their heads off. We’re in for real nasty trouble if we don’t fix the problem soon.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:12:11 UTC No. 16368219

>>16368213
But, why?

>>16368209
>>16368211
I get that evil exists. I don’t understand the incessant need to drag everyone down. Why not go to the stars and subvert there? Why turn everyone into niggers.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:15:13 UTC No. 16368222

>>16368215
>Tyson tries to downplay SpaceX, the only ones actually inspiring the youth and making a quantifiable difference in space
>Bill Nye is a sellout saying a man can have a vagina and erases his old “XX XY chromosome” video
>Michio Kaku is against RTGs, the ONLY way to power deep space probes going past jupiter
Sellout fucks. They’re part of the earther cabal.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:15:58 UTC No. 16368223

>>16368218
The sheer number of Americans openly calling themselves communist these days is staggering.

>>16368219
>Why not go to the stars and subvert there?
The instant you've got more than one seat of humanity you forever lose that chance. With humanity spread among the planets and eventually the stars, there will NEVER be a single overarching system of control for all peoples. This is the only chance at creating a permanent prisonworld for all of us, if we get out of the bassinet it's game over for that idea.
>inb4 but why would they want a prisonworld?
Again, (you) would never want that, neither would I or any other anons itt, but we are not evil. Evil is almost incomprehensible to a good person, you just can't understand why they'd be like that. But they are, and they will capitalize on your momentary confusion to slip a blade between your ribs.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:18:49 UTC No. 16368230

>>16368206
What is green on the 2024 chart?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:20:45 UTC No. 16368232

>>16368223
Were already in an open air prison world.

> capitalize on

There’s no long term survival plan. Being king nigger isn’t a admirable goal. There’s also the shortsightedness that niggers can’t actually run a civilization. I don’t fucking get it. I doubt I ever will. I’ll just keep fighting back in my own way.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:21:03 UTC No. 16368233

>>16368219
>Why not go to the stars and subvert there?
The same reason they don’t want you going to Antarctica or “exploring past the caveman cave,” so to speak. The same reason they don’t want you to have children. The same reason they think “indigenous” simply means the second-to-last people who inhabited a land. The same reason they want everyone on SSRIs and Soma. The same reason they want to import third worlders and give them the ability to vote and tell you you’re racist for speaking up against it. The same reason they want you to abandon religion and the idea of heroes and villains and the same reason they want to paint your past as shameful and villainous and say racism is only an institutional power thing and that you can’t be racist towards a white person.
They want to TELL you what makes you happy. They want “individuality” to simply be one of a select few choices. They want you to have the illusion of freedom.
They are power hungry madmen who want the republic in their hands.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:21:10 UTC No. 16368234

>>16368230
I think it might be the pajeets but I could be wrong on that

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:22:36 UTC No. 16368235

>>16368233
Individuality is what hair products and music you buy.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:25:04 UTC No. 16368238

>>16368233
> the republic in their hands

They’re destroying the nation the republic was founded on. The powers that be seem to actively be working towards the destruction of whites and mixing nigger blood with Asians. A world full of poojeets is not a desirable end state.

>yay I’m king of shit mountain, I won

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:25:28 UTC No. 16368240

>muh commies!!!
>muh libruls!!
whatever dickwad posted the link to this thread in /pol/ i hope youre happy with bringing down the average iq in here by 40 points
>inb4 youre a commie
no, im fucking not youre using that buzzword to mean anyone i dont like. i just dont like discussing politics in SPACEFLIGHT GENERAL
to anyone who got assmad about this post maybe go back to your /pol/ thread

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:28:06 UTC No. 16368243

>>16368240
It’s past the bump limit. Make a new thread and let this convo die. Give us a Polaris dawn edition

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:28:25 UTC No. 16368244

The real blackpill is that China will be first county to make Moon base and land on Mars while SpaceX is dissolved by the government.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:28:37 UTC No. 16368245

>>16368243
fuck off

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:28:52 UTC No. 16368246

>>16368243
don't do this

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:29:14 UTC No. 16368248

>>16368219
>But, why?
Power, greed. Was that not obvious from my post? Wake the fuck up already and stop enabling them, anon.

>>16368238
They don't care, they have been rootless and nationless for nearly their entire history and will simply find a new host.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:31:05 UTC No. 16368252

>>16368244
can't wait for the hungry space elevator liveleak

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:31:41 UTC No. 16368253

>>16368252
>chinese industrial accidents in space
imagine the gorekino

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:32:31 UTC No. 16368256

>>16368243
we stage at page 10 mr newfag. maybe lurk moar before posting.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:32:52 UTC No. 16368258

>>16368248
>and will simply find a new host.
Not so sure about that last part, the internet has made exchanging information (warnings) much easier than it was in centuries past. I'm not convinced the "won't you take us in, we poor paupers?" trick is gonna work again in the 21st century.
>>16368240
I want spaceflight to advance to such a state that I can buy a ticket to LEO without having to go into lifelong debt. Specific roadblocks are between me and that future, identifying those roadblocks is of interest to me, and should be to anybody else interested in seeing space themselves one day.
>>16368253
>AIIIIIIEEE!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:33:03 UTC No. 16368260

>>16368248

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:33:39 UTC No. 16368262

Does anyone have the image of the ttaikonauts on tiangong grilling over an open flame?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:33:58 UTC No. 16368263

>>16368206
>>16368230
2024 is wrong? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_in_spaceflight

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:34:04 UTC No. 16368264

>>16368256
Oh cool thanks.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:35:52 UTC No. 16368267

>>16368125
>Computer chips became a commercial product because the Apollo program made it necessary to figure out how to mass produce them
Yes, no one had any use for thousands of transistors on a chip before NASA. Everyone was quite happy soldering discrete components together

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:36:14 UTC No. 16368270

>>16368253
https://youtu.be/3s4tDK9jokw?si=MbOX7ZKlSecIrKe2&t=105

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:36:22 UTC No. 16368272

>>16368219
>But, why?
Control. As the others explained, once you have people on more than one planet/moon you can't have a centralized government. And the last century was all about that. The 90s were the closest humanity has ever been to that, but thankfully Bush, Clinton and Obongo were inept retards so they fumbled the ball really hard. So we are now in the positive timeline of Elon becoming the grey cardinal in Trump's administration and leading the diaspora to the stars.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:37:21 UTC No. 16368273

>>16368258
> I want spaceflight to advance to such a state that I can buy a ticket to LEO without having to go into lifelong debt

>tfw I applied for a job with Virgin Galactic and Bigelow right after Spaceship One because I thought we were close.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:38:45 UTC No. 16368274

>>16368240
Hard to avoid politics when the FAA is constantly breathing down SpaceX's neck, dragging their feet and otherwise holding them a standard that goes beyond what other companies get subjected to. In the original Starbase environmental assessment they were so desperately looking for reasons to shut it down they practically begged anyone or another agency to step forward and give them a reason to block it. Requiring SpaxeX to donate to random environmental groups as a condition of approval is a likely overreach of authority and I hope SpaceX sues them over it but not until Starship development is finished as it will just delay things further.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:39:22 UTC No. 16368276

>>16368273
>no spacex application
were you just trying to collect paychecks or something

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:41:03 UTC No. 16368277

>>16368263
could be from may or something?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:41:48 UTC No. 16368278

>>16368272
I really wanted Plus Ultra to be real. I remember when ole Donny said the most important job of the president was to be a cheerleader for America. I really thought we’d start doing cool shit again just because it was cool. I didn’t understand the depth and breadth of the swamp.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:44:05 UTC No. 16368283

>>16368278
Whats your favorite probe and why.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:45:11 UTC No. 16368284

>>16368276
SpaceX wasn’t a thing back then. I think they had like one contract for a valve pump or some shit. Bigelow and Branson had actual hardware.

> the FAA is constantly breathing down SpaceX's neck

The reason the X Prize was won when it was won and no one tried very hard before was because reusable rocketry was illegal. The law had just expired the year prior.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:46:11 UTC No. 16368287

>>16368283
NTA Voyager 2 because no other one has gone to Neptune

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:46:25 UTC No. 16368288

>>16368278
>I really thought we’d start doing cool shit again just because it was cool
They started to, then everything had to be artificially slowed down via bureaucratic warfare.
>vote team (D) if you want SpaceX regulated to death and Starship throttled in its crib
>vote team (R) if you want Trump to take a victory lap after Starship lands on the moon, claiming the credit
Both teams are evil but I'll take the path that leads to a Starship landing, I don't care who takes the credit I just want it to happen.
>>16368283
Hayabusa 1

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:46:44 UTC No. 16368289

Meanwhile on Mars..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx6XDu6iL1Y

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:48:34 UTC No. 16368291

>>16368283
Voyager. It’s the little engine that could. We’re still receiving telemetry from that little retard. Maybe Venera.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:48:39 UTC No. 16368292

>>16368287
Valid choice
>>16368288
If you liked Hayabusa, what put you off with the OSIRIS-REx mission?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:51:22 UTC No. 16368298

>>16368292
>what put you off
Nothing, that one was cool too, but Hayabusa overcame a bunch of problems that makes that mission more harrowing to me. Also the schizo in me is convinced that OSIRIS-APEX is meant not as an investigative mission, but instead will attempt an impact-redirect of Apophis. I have no proof, and it came to me in a dream.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:53:20 UTC No. 16368300

>>16368289
Minerals are based and mineralogy/petrology goes crazy once you really get into the weeds of it.
You can reconstruct the entire depositional/magmatic cooling/uplifting/weathering/metamorphic/erosive/etc history of a region just by studying the minerals shape, growth pattern, chemical inclusions and impurities and plotting them on a ternary or a phase diagram like the field of material science, etc

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:54:03 UTC No. 16368302

>>16368288
The thing about Trump is that he’s a builder. Sure all his vision revolves around him, but, the project still needs to get done for him to hang that gawdy ass sign on the front of the building. I think that’s the big piece people miss about him. In order for his narcissistic dreams to be realized, awesome shit still needs to be built.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:56:18 UTC No. 16368304

>>16368288
Even Berger said he does not envision a realistic human Mars program do democrats stay in power. I wonder if it affects how he is voting? Maybe not he’s good about being neutral but his weather-butt-buddy matt lanza is always posting annoying TDS shit on X

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:00:34 UTC No. 16368309

>>16368302
He didn't NEED to show up at Crew-Demo 1, it wasn't as if it were his idea or whatever, but I'm glad he was there for that iconic photo. Having a President be interested enough to watch a launch (even if it's for self-aggrandizing reasons) is certainly preferable to having one be ambivalent or even worse, openly hostile towards SpaceX.

All other politics aside, as a spaceflight-related topic only, there is a difference in the choice currently presented.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:10:09 UTC No. 16368318

>>16368309
Yeah there was a lot of lip service in administrations past. Grand plans which stretched beyond their administration and then budget cuts to hamper anything. There’s a distinct lack of mission within NASA. Give them a real goal and they’ll achieve it. Axios is really just commercial NASA with a goal.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:12:11 UTC No. 16368319

>>16368318
>axiom

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:13:37 UTC No. 16368321

>>16368319
axiom is alright. B tier amongst newspace

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:14:23 UTC No. 16368324

>>16368287
>no hubble yet
>best telescope was the 5m hale and about 1 arc second resolution
>nobody really knew what neptune looked like in detail until 20 August 1989
Blows my mind, I was too young at the time but I should ask my father what he thought. Way overdue for another Neptune flyby/orbiter also.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:14:55 UTC No. 16368326

>>16368321
I'd like to see them succeed, I really don't like the idea of a space station gap where only the Chinese have a permanent presence in LEO.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:18:01 UTC No. 16368330

>>16368318
You have no clue what youre talking about bud. Im the Vast shill but calling Axiom just another extension of NASA is entirely wrong.
>>16368321
B tier??? Theyre the only fucking company that actually has operations going in the commercial space station sector, and are actually developing a station. Not only that, they have plans for future missions on Starships, contracts for developing suits, you put them at B tier??? Thats just straight disrespectful

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:20:21 UTC No. 16368335

>>16368330
I didn’t call them an extension of NASA. But, all their management is legacy space from NASA. My point is that the people at NASA aren’t the issue, it’s external forces acting upon them.

I think anon was commenting on my typo of axios, the news outlet.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:20:40 UTC No. 16368336

>>16368330
I docked them a lot of points for contracting their station out to thales alenia, who I dislike.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:22:34 UTC No. 16368339

>>16368335
Axiom, Axios, too many Axes.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:22:58 UTC No. 16368340

>>16368330
Axiom and vast suck hahahahah stay triggered

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:24:32 UTC No. 16368344

>>16368326
You have never heard of Vast? You do know they plan on sending up their first mission next year around this time right? And we have seen prototypes for their simple station as well.
https://x.com/vast/status/1776274816611549455
Thats a tour of their facility, and picrel is Haven-1 which will go up in a Falcon fairing. They have a pretty realistic plan to go up on time and they would also be the first conmercial space which rakes in all the VC money associated with that achievement. My personal favorite CSS company, Axiom second then maybe Gravitics but Gravitics cucked out to mil contracts and have a less realistic plan in action.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:25:33 UTC No. 16368346

>>16368340
Well this is just obvious bait so its not gonna make me assmad. You can have a (You) though

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:31:22 UTC No. 16368356

>>16368344
What's it gonna launch on, Falcon Heavy? My attitude towards commercial space station is "yes", the more the merrier. I want to see them all reach fruition and more.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:33:09 UTC No. 16368358

>>16368356
F9. it's a real minimum viable product of a space station.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:35:43 UTC No. 16368359

>>16368358
Oh that small, is that a cupula/window on the end there or is there space for expansion with future launches? I suppose the port that Dragon is supposed to use could support a future node or something.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:40:36 UTC No. 16368362

>>16368359
No expansion for future launches, they have a future station that will expand out but thats for the Starship era. Their main priority is getting up there first at the moment but theyve also been working on monetization methods, one is the recent Haven Lab announcement which gives ANYONE who wants to pay for a slot, a microwave sized locker on the station for their electronics that will receive both power and internet via Starlink (yes really) as well as a custom user interface so they can easily control the experiments. They already have 2 customers in Yuri space and Redwire space. One of them itself is a centrifuge renting out space themselves to anyone who wants to send their own samples up.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:41:29 UTC No. 16368363

>>16368362
>No expansion
I sleep

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:47:38 UTC No. 16368365

>>16368362
>One of them itself is a centrifuge renting out space themselves to anyone who wants to send their own samples up.
And uh, do THEY have any customers?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:48:29 UTC No. 16368366

>>16368363
Picrel is their dream station which is very cool and expandable as requested. Also on that note, the reasons why I personally believe they can achieve what they say is an official contract with SpaceX for Falcon, realistic size and design using proven hardware, billionaire founder and backer Jed McCaleb for money issues, prospective customer relationship with ESA, good monetization strategies in selling seats, lab spaces, and Launcher spacetug company, earliest launch date of any CSS, prototype/pathfinder hardware already made, great hires of known key figures from NASA and SpaceX, and general openness of sharing progress that seems to be about on pace.


FINALLY Ive been given a legitimate reason to sperg out about CSSs again.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:49:25 UTC No. 16368368

>>16368365
He's a billionaire doing it for himself. Sounds familiar

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:52:36 UTC No. 16368371

>>16368366
>artificial gravity
what is the axis of rotation on that tube?
is it a tiny radius, or do you have to climb a ladder to get anywhere?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:55:15 UTC No. 16368373

>>16368371
Climb a ladder presumably. I believe they wants to make it so that you can simulate Earth gravity at the ends, then Mars and Lunar gravity inbetween so astronauts can aclimate to whatever environment they would be going to, as well as test theories on how low gravity affects humans on long term stays. Still not much info on this one.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:58:31 UTC No. 16368376

https://www.vastspace.com/roadmap
Size comparison and some more info. Will pull up the pathfinder prototype for human comparison

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:58:49 UTC No. 16368377

>>16368206
The Space Shuttle and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:59:39 UTC No. 16368378

>the polaris dawn starship mission is actually the first manned mission to mars

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:00:26 UTC No. 16368380

>>16367479
>maybe you missed the "self-sustaining" part?
I'm sure the self-sustaining part includes making CPUs, GPUs and other chips needed for comms, data processing, analysis and storage, ...

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:00:51 UTC No. 16368381

>>16368040
Zubrin has become obsessed with the Ukraine war. He thinks Elon and Orange Julius Caesar are literal Russian agents for disagreeing with how the current administration is prosecuting the war. His posts are like 60% Ukraine war, 30% orangemanbadsovoteforapajeet, and maybe 10% space stuff.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:02:29 UTC No. 16368382

>>16368380
yes

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:03:17 UTC No. 16368383

>>16368376

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:03:28 UTC No. 16368384

>>16368381
he’s a neocon he said he’s voting for kamabla. I have no respect for him

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:04:18 UTC No. 16368385

>>16367594
>Managers there are currently pushing partially assembled 777 jets through the assembly line, leaving tens of thousands of unfinished jobs due to defects and parts shortages to be completed out of sequence on each airplane, according to three people working directly on 777 assembly.
...
>Another aspect of the out-of-sequence work, according to the systems installer, is that due to supply chain shortages some parts had to be taken from other planes inside the factory and put on 777s close to delivery.
>“They were stealing parts from some planes and putting them on others,” he said.
>In addition to the three employees quoted, an additional mechanic and another who recently left Boeing — both of whom also worked on 777/777Xs and also requested anonymity to protect their jobs — said mechanics sometimes have even cannibalized the completed 777-9Xs in long-term storage on Paine Field.
>With the 777-9X still not certified to carry passengers, about 30 have been built that cannot be delivered until 2026.
>A mechanic whose job is to take care of those 777-9Xs to make sure the systems don’t deteriorate in storage said parts have been removed several times without any notice to his team or documentation of the removal — a serious breach of Federal Aviation Administration regulations.
LMAO
bots in 4chan keep blaming "DEI" and "non-whites" for this mess.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:05:52 UTC No. 16368387

>>16368376
they’re ngmi I feel it in me bones

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:05:54 UTC No. 16368388

>stonetoss_spaceflight_sfg.jpg

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:07:31 UTC No. 16368389

>>16368388
you getting mad makes sense and I relate, but your incessant need to point out your anger is annoying and compounds the problem. Can you not help yourself?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:07:38 UTC No. 16368390

>>16368387
>no explanation
Are you sure what youre feeling isnt osteoperosis?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:10:40 UTC No. 16368394

>>16368384

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:11:36 UTC No. 16368396

>>16368394
JUST SHAVE IT OFF DR Z FOR THE LOVE OF KIEV