🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:20:34 UTC No. 16382658
Splashdown! edition
Previous >>16380173
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:22:59 UTC No. 16382663
Very nice, is the platform an entire ship or something else?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:29:37 UTC No. 16382671
>>16382663
https://space-offshore.com/spacex
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:40:28 UTC No. 16382677
>>16382658
What's microgravity food prep like? They have microwave ovens up there, right?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:42:32 UTC No. 16382679
>>16382677
Tiangong has a microwave. ISS has some kind of water heater for reheating food because they're worried about the microwaves fucking up some science experiment. idk about dragon, I think they might just eat stuff room temperature there.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:42:53 UTC No. 16382680
>>16382677
They do on the Tiangong, not on the ISS because that fucker is old as shit
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:46:00 UTC No. 16382685
>>16382658
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:53:53 UTC No. 16382691
>>16382685
>Glass the Earth
one day anon, one day...
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:55:33 UTC No. 16382694
>>16382679
the ISS had an oven go up as an experiment once a few years ago, they made cookies
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:57:53 UTC No. 16382696
>>16382691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuL
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 05:00:46 UTC No. 16382698
>>16382663
Ship.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 05:02:08 UTC No. 16382699
>>16382679
I would've sworn i read somewhere that the chinese dropped their microwave for the same reason, but i can't find anything on affirming or denying either.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 05:05:26 UTC No. 16382701
>>16382696
>Glassed Africa
Ok but there may also be a flood outbreak in India. It's just a hunch, but it's better to be safe than sorry
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 05:29:28 UTC No. 16382713
my new favorite anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzY
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 06:39:32 UTC No. 16382740
>>16382677
Humans have been in space CONTINUOUSLY for 25 years, and yet we STILL do not know how to cook food and have sex. What the FUCK are they doing up there?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 06:49:00 UTC No. 16382745
scott manley is a cuck
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 06:50:31 UTC No. 16382746
>>16382745
Based
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 06:53:45 UTC No. 16382748
>>16382740
>implying
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 07:10:05 UTC No. 16382751
>>16382713
I wanna fuck the Moon (Luna)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:14:53 UTC No. 16382792
>>16382745
>somehow a cuck despite having a wife and children
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:21:46 UTC No. 16382797
>>16382792
that is no way contradictory
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:24:02 UTC No. 16382800
>>16382792
stupid frogposter
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:48:32 UTC No. 16382810
pretty interesting that raptor 3 vs 2 gives like 20 tonnes more payload just due to decreased gravity lossses
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:56:47 UTC No. 16382817
>>16382815
hmm what is Tesla doing?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:59:26 UTC No. 16382819
>>16382817
"Don't make me say Uggh! again but with an added frowny face emoji."
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:08:41 UTC No. 16382825
>>16382815
>>16382819
wtf I love Ars comments now??
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:10:54 UTC No. 16382829
>>16382658
>can only land in one area of water
>cant land on land either
bro...
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:12:13 UTC No. 16382832
>>16382815
>>16382819
its always the same arguments over and over by these people. you can explain it a million times to them and they still come at you with the same arguments every article. at this point they need to append a FAQ to every article.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:17:21 UTC No. 16382836
>>16382832
they wouldn't read it, I wouldn't be surprised if these people didn't even read the article
just see the headline, read the first paragraph and then commet
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:17:25 UTC No. 16382837
Does jeff foust have EDS?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:18:48 UTC No. 16382838
>>16382836
>I wouldn't be surprised if these people didn't even read the article
me for most of the articles...i just read the headline and subheadline then the first few comments unless its an article im really interested in
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:19:33 UTC No. 16382839
>>16382838
you should at least skim them
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:25:56 UTC No. 16382842
>>16382837
Tiny bit. Showed during his takeover of twitter. But usually doesnt let his article be influenced by it
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:28:09 UTC No. 16382846
>>16382842
That’s the impression I get. Neutral article but every now and then he drops lib-coded tweets with a hint of seethe
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:01:48 UTC No. 16382860
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:08:39 UTC No. 16382864
>>16382839
I just let others here skim it and then I skim their posts
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:16:47 UTC No. 16382869
>>16382832
>its always the same arguments over and over by these people. you can explain it a million times to them and they still come at you with the same arguments every article
Gradually, I came to hate them.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:17:56 UTC No. 16382871
>>16382870
I have done 'that'
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:37:25 UTC No. 16382891
>>16382889
stealth in space doesn't exist.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:51:31 UTC No. 16382903
>>16382891
You could try to hide behind a star or planet, but it would be pretty easy to send a satellite into orbit to check.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:13:27 UTC No. 16382920
>>16382899
I wanted to find Roscosmos's website to try to prove a point but it doesn't even seem to exist anymore. What the hell is going on with them?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:15:44 UTC No. 16382924
>>16382918
>born too early to enjoy the fruits of starship-sized telescopes
yjk its going to take nasa 40 years to launch something decent
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:16:33 UTC No. 16382925
>>16382918
Will the government not freak out at SpaceX doing something like that?
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:19:11 UTC No. 16382930
>>16382925
Depends on who wins the election. Seriously. The state of space industry rests upon this election.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:19:32 UTC No. 16382931
>>16382929
that looks like false color
possibly shopped too
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:20:36 UTC No. 16382932
>>16382930
Who do we need to win?
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:22:28 UTC No. 16382936
>>16382930
im starting to think that the industry needs to do alot of political jostling like nasa did for gateway just so they can stay alive. even if trump wins and things go well for 4 years, that doesnt mean they'll be out of the woods because the next administration after that may be as bad as biden or worse. the industry needs a long term strategy.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:22:44 UTC No. 16382937
>>16382932
Andrew Yang.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:22:59 UTC No. 16382938
>>16382932
Harris, she's the chair of the National Space Council and Bill Nelson at NASA said she has a ton of interest in space, even called her an aficionado.
https://spacenews.com/space-industr
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:23:52 UTC No. 16382940
>>16382936
CURE
You (you)'d me
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:24:14 UTC No. 16382941
>>16382855
Proto-Devo.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:25:16 UTC No. 16382943
>>16382932
total Jeb! sweep or its’ over
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:25:36 UTC No. 16382944
>>16382932
Trump. Harris wants to gut SpaceX. The Biden admin has already labeled Starlink as non-functional AND a monopoly that must be broken up. So the next 4 years if she wins will kill SpaceX.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:26:37 UTC No. 16382948
>>16382929
Sucks that nebulas are too faint to look like that to the naked eye from even a nearby world
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:26:56 UTC No. 16382949
>>16382944
And on top of that, she wants to tax unrealized gains for Musk. That means all the gains from his SpaceX/Tesla shares that havent been sold have to be sold to pay the tax for the unrealized gains.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:27:15 UTC No. 16382950
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:28:43 UTC No. 16382952
>>16382932
has the Biden admin been good for space? the Harris admin will be more of the same, but with probably even more egregious lawfare against Musk
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:28:52 UTC No. 16382954
>>16382950
Isolate Harris voters on island.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:28:59 UTC No. 16382955
>>16382938
Funny, I hear from most other sources that harris spends as little time dealing with the space council as she can get away with.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:29:44 UTC No. 16382956
>>16382950
You haven't been paying attention to FCC
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:29:44 UTC No. 16382957
>>16382949
which is basically just a way for the government to seize property
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:30:01 UTC No. 16382958
>>16382952
>has the Biden admin been good for space?
i think he started off good but it slowly got worse and worse
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:30:23 UTC No. 16382959
>>16382952
SpaceX /=/ the wider space industry
It's true that the Admin has pointed out that SpaceX monopoly is bad, but if you're interested in space (and not just SpaceX) you would agree and want more competition.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:31:43 UTC No. 16382963
>>16382950
you are either retarded or willfully ignorant
>>16382955
even the linked article says people in the industry have "mixed feelings" (i.e. Fuck no to harris) and the aficiando comment is coming from fucking ballast, a person appointed by the admin he is saying these things to
hardly unbiased
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:31:45 UTC No. 16382964
>>16382959
>more competition is gutting spacex
Thats the leftist policy today. Cut off the legs of those who are succeeding and claim they need equity for the losers who have competed and have lost
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:32:31 UTC No. 16382967
>>16382941
>>16382855
BE SPACE, B-ABIES BE SPACE
BREATHE HARD IN METAL SUITS
LIVE RIGHT, WALK ON THE MOON
BE SPACE
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:32:45 UTC No. 16382968
>>16382959
SpaceX monopoly is not bad, without SpaceX there would just be ULA monopoly and the space industry would be in a really pathetic and sorry state
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:33:59 UTC No. 16382969
>>16382968
ULA monopoly was enshrined by the law which SpaceX had to sue for the right to compete against them.
SpaceX "monopoly" is SpaceX winning competition fair and square against legacy companies that could not compete in free market
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:34:13 UTC No. 16382972
>>16382950
It’s simply true. I assume you are either trolling out of boredom, or you are the clueless ignoramus that posted >>16382938 and you somehow believe the woman who hasn’t given an ounce of care to Space despite it being part of her job (and who even Berger admitted would be anti-space) would somehow do a 180 and be pro-space? Please face wall and prepare for depress.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:35:32 UTC No. 16382974
>>16382959
>SpaceX /=/ the wider space industry
yeah but alot of the industry is reliant on spacex. vast, axiom, billionaire joyrides, practically anyone who wants to get something into orbit... spacex is the bedrock of much of the industry.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:36:05 UTC No. 16382976
spacex launches their competitors payloads and keeps their prices relatively close to the competition even though they could drive them down much more massively basically making it impossible for others to launch at all
Rocketlab is still launching plenty of rockets (just had their 50th launch), Amazon bought out the launches from Ariane, ULA and Blue Origin for years
SpaceX is just cheaper and better and has higher cadence
would other providers have much more cadence if SpaceX just disappread? probably not much
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:36:11 UTC No. 16382977
>>16382740
Making Alabama a lot of money
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:37:58 UTC No. 16382978
>>16382974
without SpaceX I'm pretty sure hundreds of companies would not exist, just F9 itself enabled so much and now there are companies that have been started with the assumption of Starship working out in some form
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:40:14 UTC No. 16382979
>>16382920
the guy who knew HTML died of cirrhosis
>>16382938
that means she will throw money money at SLS/oldspace/MIC
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:40:37 UTC No. 16382981
>>16382979
Fuck off husk
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:40:43 UTC No. 16382983
>>16382903
yeah you might try and hide using larger celestial bodies but that would limit where people have to look and if you have any kind of heliocentric surveillance ring that becomes moot too.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:41:31 UTC No. 16382984
>>16382959
SpaceX created the commercial industry. Multiple dozen space companies rely upon SpaceX and particularly Starship. Then further hundreds prob relying upon Starship in the future
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:41:40 UTC No. 16382985
>>16382967
ARE WE NOT MEN? WE ARE ASTRONAUTS.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:42:55 UTC No. 16382987
>>16382981
"No!".
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:43:08 UTC No. 16382988
>>16382979
>SLS/oldspace/MIC
People here don't want to talk about this for some reason but MIC companies, while obviously they're slow to pivot, have the best position (scientists, manufacturing base, funding, government connections and lobbyists) to advance space. SpaceX definitely has early mover advantage but in the long run it's going to be Lockheed, BAE, Boeing etc dominating space with economies of scale
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:44:39 UTC No. 16382992
>>16382988
(you)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:45:54 UTC No. 16382995
>>16382988
Dude, the MIC companies are abandoning the space industry cause they can't compete. Hilariously no one even wants their space assets cause they're so bad.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:47:47 UTC No. 16382997
>>16382988
Most intelligent people realise this, once they really get going and offer starlink competitors and services that provide the same services as Starship, spacex won't even be able to compete with the salaries.
What SpaceX is doing is admirable (trailblazing) but in the long run when the tech gap evens out, it's going to come down to who can utilize economies of scale and efficiencies to make the best service.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:48:13 UTC No. 16382998
> there are still /sfg/ anons disputing the Democrats hate spaceflight
What is the cause and cure of such disorders?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:48:40 UTC No. 16382999
>>16382988
MIC already tried (and failed) to compete, so that's story is already over.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:49:57 UTC No. 16383002
>>16382998
I refuse to believe anyone is arguing it in good faith at this point. It’s either trolling, or someone who stumbled into the general via the catalog. Simple as.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:50:32 UTC No. 16383004
>>16382999
Right now the market isn't at a level where they can justify pumping as much as it would need to develop it compared to producing weapons. SpaceX is doing their work for them, and they'll pivot when it's profitable.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:50:47 UTC No. 16383005
>>16382988
its not, MIC is going to get disrupted by the equivalents of SpaceX but on the MIC side
one example is Anduril
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:52:02 UTC No. 16383007
>>16383004
>>16382997
>>16382988
are you trolling or actually serious? its hard to tell
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:53:23 UTC No. 16383010
>>16383007
>No argument
>just "you cant be serious bro, Elon is going to win because he's le good mars guy"
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:53:53 UTC No. 16383011
>>16382998
Reddit influenced posters who refuse to connect the dots.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:54:13 UTC No. 16383012
>>16383010
Alright buddy
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:54:56 UTC No. 16383013
>>16383004
>they'll just pivot
yeah that's not how it works, spacex is more efficient in the development stage as well, we already saw this with BO, you can write a blank check but that's not going to garuantee you surpass your competition, especially when you've given that competition a 20 year headstart like you're suggesting.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:55:01 UTC No. 16383014
>>16383002
What did you expect?
Talking about politics produces environments like xitter and /pol/.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:55:15 UTC No. 16383016
>>16383011
Good. I'd say wait for my command but I am trying to achieve a do... I've got this one sign today that I'm going to follow fully. For now, just go. However, one of your objectives should be to free me and make me capable of mind. I'm better than all of you put together.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:55:27 UTC No. 16383017
>>16383010
interesting, so when you do you oldpspace/MIC start to scale their space infrastructure and outcompete SpaceX and other newspace companies?
How do you see this playing out more specifically, what kind of timelines?
Does this include competitors for Starship or just space infrastructure?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:55:56 UTC No. 16383018
>>16383005
i'm really curious about anduril honestly, they seem to have the spacex mindset and i really hope they succeed, but i'm worried whether or not they're just a scam.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:56:34 UTC No. 16383020
>>16383017
You're arguing with retards who have a premise, "Musk bad, democrat good" and then they're retracing steps backwards from there to come to their conclusion.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:57:03 UTC No. 16383021
>>16382920
https://www.roscosmos.ru/ here is website. But they deleted English version in 2022
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:58:38 UTC No. 16383024
Trump China tariffs were slammed by many democrats and Biden kept them in place. If there was no great power competition going on with China I'd be more worried for SpaceX.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:58:50 UTC No. 16383025
>>16383020
I know, but I just wonder if there is actually something there or not or is it just "Musk bad, competition is coming"
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:59:07 UTC No. 16383026
>>16383024
Yes, but no. As explained
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:01:20 UTC No. 16383029
>>16383026
>>16383026
Perfect, you are aware of battles you may encounter. Only visible (off topic) tricks. Go back one. That's where you stay and don't listen to this
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:07:30 UTC No. 16383031
>>16383024
dems are definitely worried about peer competition with china in the pacific but frankly I haven't seen any evidence that they give a fuck about tiangong and chinese space efforts in general besides "it's a good thing they're not spending that money on invading taiwan"
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:10:07 UTC No. 16383035
>>16382658
why haven't they done it yet, /sfg/?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:11:16 UTC No. 16383037
>>16383035
looks like some knockoff video game shit
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:12:06 UTC No. 16383038
>>16383035
Gotta commit to launching if you want something in orbit. Jeff Bezos and Artemis II mission planners haven’t figured this out yet either, to be fair
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:12:21 UTC No. 16383040
>>16383035
Theres a lot of handwaving here.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:20:36 UTC No. 16383043
https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Suppor
Good news is that the A6 First launch anomaly requires "only" a software fix. No showstopper has been found for the 2nd launch.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:24:20 UTC No. 16383045
>>16383043
I'm sure that all of their customers (EU governments) will be very happy.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:25:02 UTC No. 16383046
>>16383045
EU government and Bezos*
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:26:35 UTC No. 16383047
>>16382929
>SpaceX Crew-7 nebula: After main engine cutoff, the Falcon 9 1st stage booster begins its trip home, while the 2nd stage rocket ignites to get the Crew Dragon to orbit; sometimes this "nebula" happens & it's magical.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:28:44 UTC No. 16383049
>>16382988
MIC companies have never successfully pulled off what you claim. They have historically required technology sharing or enormous amounts of government funded R&D to catch up to what the others are doing, and when that doesn't happen, the programs flounder or fail outright. This is what killed the Douglas A-12 Avenger II: they promised a stealth aircraft, and could not deliver without a technology transfer from Grumman, which was refused and the Government did not order to take place.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:31:00 UTC No. 16383051
>>16383043
>"only" a software fix
like father like son
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:32:54 UTC No. 16383052
>>16382797
>>16382800
His daughter looks like a female copy of him. Which is good, because his wife isn't pretty.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:35:52 UTC No. 16383053
>>16383051
lol
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:36:49 UTC No. 16383054
>>16383031
Worried about what, exactly? The government said multiple times they don't they support Taiwanese independence. Now they're pretending that they want Ukraine to win. If China ever decides to do something, there will be no strong reaction from the US. And the most likely scenario is a peaceful takeover of Taiwan.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:36:53 UTC No. 16383055
>>16383052
>daughter
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:39:18 UTC No. 16383056
>>16383052
>Which is good, because his wife isn't pretty.
And Scott is?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:53:20 UTC No. 16383063
>>16382998
You know, the other day I saw someone say that all those environmental lawsuits and stuff are actually made by Republicans. Something about them actually being done by ULA lobbyists. Don't know how he arrived at that conclusion, but it was an interestingly fresh opinion
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:54:23 UTC No. 16383065
>>16383021
>403 forbidden
Looks dead to me
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:56:03 UTC No. 16383069
>>16383063
how quickly they forget
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:57:03 UTC No. 16383072
>>16383066
It's brought up by anti-space activists who use it to try to argue living on mars is impossible. Unaware it failed for mismanagement rather than technical reasons and that similar tests have been done much more successfully.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:58:24 UTC No. 16383073
>>16383066
Because it was a project led by passion and money from a dedicated person, to explore self-sustainability, and it was a huge failure. Obviously easy for uninformed normies to make an [incorrect] 1:1 comparison and point out how a Mars colony would similarly collapse.
They don’t do research on the topic though. If they did, they would see that Biosphere 2 was lead by unqualified hippie pot-addicted freaks who just wanted an excuse to shag eachother and rot in a place where they didn’t have to pay rent or “be a part of the system, man”
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:00:13 UTC No. 16383075
>>16382680
We had microwaves in the 90s, dumbass
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:00:18 UTC No. 16383076
>>16383066
nobody has brought it up since 2002
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:01:43 UTC No. 16383077
>>16383066
The lack of such experiments now tells us more than the failure of that particular one
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:02:16 UTC No. 16383079
>>16382792
>never heard of Nick Rekieta
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:03:49 UTC No. 16383081
>>16383079
>>16382745
Fuck off
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:07:14 UTC No. 16383082
>>16383077
Please elaborate
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:09:15 UTC No. 16383084
>>16382956
Abolish the FBI
Abolish the CIA
Abolish the FAA
Abolish the FCC
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:09:45 UTC No. 16383085
>>16383075
It's not about the microwaves themselves, it's about being able to handle a sudden and sporadic 800W load
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:10:40 UTC No. 16383086
>>16382950
You are the reason ovens were invented.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:12:08 UTC No. 16383087
>>16382959
troll or retard?
either way, fuck off
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:12:48 UTC No. 16383089
>>16382959
>SpaceX monopoly is bad
You revolting commie scum, how dare you.
"uuoooohh we can't have a US company eating the entire launch market! my precious competition! kneecap the superior company at once!"
No, the answer is to make everybody else like SpaceX, not drag them down to match oldspace fuckers. "Space X monopoly", go straight to hell with this retarded shit.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:16:29 UTC No. 16383091
>>16382976
>would other providers have much more cadence if SpaceX just disappread? probably not much
You could offer those assholes thousands of times what SpaceX charges and they wouldn't meaningfully innovate or increase launch cadences. How do we know for sure? Because that is exactly what happened in the last 50 years.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:22:30 UTC No. 16383094
>>16383082
No one is planning for a serious off world colony right now. If your colony size scales linearly with imported consumables you're thinking about an outpost at most.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:23:30 UTC No. 16383097
>>16383093
why did britain just give up
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:25:47 UTC No. 16383099
>>16383094
The fact is that there's simply not enough of a space premium on earth to make a permanent 'colony' (as opposed to an outpost/scientific base) something that anybody would care to do commercially. Space habitats and manufacturing on the other hand, certainly.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:27:22 UTC No. 16383101
>>16382988
You're a fucking retard. Having the best resources and still getting poor results is the most damning indictment of an organization. If an organization is sufficiently short on funds or human resources then failure might be inevitable, but to have everything necessary and still fail means the organization itself is the problem.
Such organizations should be terminated and the resources freed up to go to other organizations with some possibility of success.
This is sometimes called "creative destruction."
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:28:25 UTC No. 16383102
>>16383094
Musk is, you need to build the outpost first before you start scaling superlinearly with ISRU
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:29:23 UTC No. 16383103
>>16383097
Britain has been on a slow decline since the second world war. Mostly due to people no longer believing in human potential.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:30:14 UTC No. 16383105
So when are we gonna make a space elevator(I want to see a polymerized one connect from here to mars like a giant slinky made of graphene.)
Cuz all this stuff on this thread goes to waste without it. Seriously, we don't have the oil and NO one has the money for endless amounts of rockets.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:31:40 UTC No. 16383106
>>16383094
I agree with your sentiment about a colony vs an outpost, but you fail to consider that
a) Musk is the king of supply chains and exponential growth (“order of magnitude” might as well be his bingo card free space), and
b) he is autistically serious about Mars and to say landing there is out of scope for him would be foolish when he is now flying a super heavy lift rocket designed to go there
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:31:59 UTC No. 16383107
>>16383093
looks like that thing is designed to board enemy spacecraft
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:32:28 UTC No. 16383108
>>16383105
>I want to see a polymerized one connect from here to mars like a giant slinky made of graphene.
I'm curious as to how you think this interacts with the sun.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:33:07 UTC No. 16383109
>>16383103
Seems to not be an uncommon theme across all of Western society right now, unfortunately. We are in a death spiral and it’s accelerating.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:34:03 UTC No. 16383111
>>16383103
>Britain has been on a slow decline since the second world war
it begins earlier with the Fabians getting a foothold
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:35:55 UTC No. 16383113
>>16383108
Well what I was thinking was maybe use the sun as kind of "joint" that the graphene string would orbit around in tandem with earth and other planets that might be connected to graphene string. The biggest problem I see is that would take A LOT of graphene but it might be possible to find ways to make more in the future. idk but I think something like this is possible.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:39:10 UTC No. 16383115
https://x.com/ThierryBreton/status/
EU head targeting Musk got fired
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:39:26 UTC No. 16383117
>>16383111
Nah, or least ww2 is why they could mess things up. Ww2 ruined britains finances and the suez crisis ruined britains confidence in itself. After that decolonization sealed the deal.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:40:23 UTC No. 16383120
>>16383115
don't take this as a signal that the EU is somehow getting less censorious, they fired him because he did this solo and whats worse, he embarrassed the EU
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:40:28 UTC No. 16383121
>colonies
>habitats
>rotating spacecraft
Why is everyone so excited about people boarding suicide missions? Grab some asteroids and start dismantling them. Bring down a kiloton of copper for starters.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:41:09 UTC No. 16383123
>>16383094
Someone is seriously planning for it. Making gay autistic plans for how to factorio on Mars is much less important than having an overall plan in broad strokes and making significant progress on the parts of the plan that are immediately realizable.
Why? Because you can't design habitation modules to be carried and landed by spacecraft with currently unknown performance and specifications. You can't design an economy around processes that have never even been performed once.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:44:27 UTC No. 16383124
>>16383113
>idk but I think something like this is possible.
I want you to look at something for me
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:45:09 UTC No. 16383126
>>16383121
Copper is not terribly expensive. Getting it from asteroids and bringing it to earth is insane.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:45:23 UTC No. 16383127
>>16383121
That would only be $9 million dollars lol
>asteroid mining fags
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:45:52 UTC No. 16383128
>>16383123
well you could but those plans might have to be thrown into the trash, when the actual specs are known so its wasted effort
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:46:22 UTC No. 16383129
>>16383121
Maybe we could get silicates, too!
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:47:43 UTC No. 16383130
>>16383121
>Why is everyone so excited about people boarding suicide missions
I'd rather live in a well constructed orbital habitat with robust monitoring than half of earth where I might randomly get hit by a natural disaster or have the government devalue my neighbourhood by 50% with section 8 tenants, or have some retard cripple me for life driving drunk on a stroad
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:49:21 UTC No. 16383132
>>16383128
Fair enough
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:50:21 UTC No. 16383134
>>16383123
>design an economy
The great thing about an economy is you don't have to design one. SpaceX can just say they're building a city, and they're willing to buy the materials to do it locally for any amount less than the value of the item + launch costs. It would represent a good rush for mining and primary production companies. Copper as an example would be 90% launch cost, so mining and processing it on Mars means you could sell it for $150/kg. With those processes set up you could get into second order processes with the same system, and then third, and then sell to people that live there, and then you have a self sustaining economy
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:50:49 UTC No. 16383136
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:51:05 UTC No. 16383137
>>16383127
>>16383126
asteroid mining doesn't have to mean you toss the raw materials to earth, zero gravity manufacturing and processing would be absolutely huge and take down the cost basis quite a bit especially as reusable rocket tech keeps progriessing
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:52:58 UTC No. 16383139
>>16383137
>zero gravity manufacturing and processing would be absolutely huge
Why? Who is the customer? Also, a kiloton is four starship launches. You think you're setting all that up and running it for cheaper than an Earth commodity+launch?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:53:01 UTC No. 16383140
>>16383130
Why won't the last two happen on some spacecraft as well?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:56:02 UTC No. 16383144
>>16383140
1) Self sufficient colony will govern itself, no rehousing poor people from earth to an immensely expensive hab unit in earth/mars/venus orbit
2) Why would people be flying a spaceship inside an orbital habitat? Let alone while drunk.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:58:56 UTC No. 16383147
>>16383115
What was he trying to do against musk again?
Sorry, theres too many people targeting him and I lose track.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:01:08 UTC No. 16383150
>>16383147
threatening to fine/ban X if Musk talked to Trump on X spaces
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:02:51 UTC No. 16383152
>>16383139
I'm not >>16383121 who you replied to initially to clarify:
>Why?
Microgravity is a great climate for a lot of different industries to perform manufacturing in a cheaper way than is possible on earth - check out this report from McKinsey for some examples: https://www.mckinsey.com/industries
>Who is the customer?
Anybody who would normally be the customer, though naturally it makes most sense for companies to commission or self manufacture stuff that it meant to be in space - something like a space drydock where ships that wouldn't be feasible to launch from earth could be built in-situ.
>You think you're setting all that up and running it for cheaper than an Earth commodity+launch?
For general commodities? Not initially, no. The idea is that it would grow horizontally from being the manufacturing base for other spacecraft and satellites.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:03:21 UTC No. 16383154
>>16383137
>you know what would make this process better?
>an extremely expensive facility that's extremely expensive to run and extremely expensive to get to
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:03:43 UTC No. 16383156
>>16383147
Right before the Elon/45 twitter spaces this guy, without approval, issues a “formal” EU letter saying Musk should refrain from allowing the spaces to happen because of muh disinformation and threw in a bunch of implied threats as a form of intimidation. The EU got pissed because this letter didn’t go through any sort of formal approval and was just overall a terrible look. As the other anon said, they’re only throwing him out because he jeopardized the perceived power of the EU. Not because it was morally wrong (which it absolutely was)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:05:16 UTC No. 16383158
>>16383156
To be fair it's difficult for normal people to imagine the insane magnetic pull of the temptation for people afflicted with the TDS/EDS combo to randomly abuse their power in order to inconvenience them both at once
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:05:19 UTC No. 16383159
>>16383137
lmfao at the hand waving here.
>bro just bring down the cost and process it on-site
What a genius you are
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:07:51 UTC No. 16383163
>>16383159
>management consultants, NASA, SpaceX: This is a huge opportunity
>mcdonalds employee of the month on /sfg/: This sucks and it's impossible
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:10:30 UTC No. 16383165
>>16383152
>Microgravity is a great climate for a lot of different industries to perform manufacturing in a cheaper way than is possible on earth
I'll believe it when I see it.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:10:42 UTC No. 16383166
>>16383152
>>16383163
I’m just curious: why do you think we are not currently processing materials for asteroids right now? Beyond “it just hasn’t been tried”
Have you even considered WHY it isn’t done right now, from an economics standpoint? Everyone here is disagreeing with you because everyone else knows what they are talking about
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:11:32 UTC No. 16383169
>>16383124
So looking at that, you'd want the "slinkly" to be as elastic as possible and the highest tensile strength possible which is a defining property of graphene. So that when the 2 planets get to places like opposite sides of the sun, it'll be able to maintain its form, the question is 1 how do you tether the graphene string around the sun while also let it orbit a certain path around the sun(without burning up) while still being connected to the surface of each planet,without breaking.
Whichever way you go about this, it's FAR more effecient to drag cargo along a structure with some kind of electric motor than cramming a whole bunch of junk into thousands of rockets over a VERY long period of time so that we can "be multiplanetary." As human life takes a LOT of resources to sustain especially on other planets.
However, I came up with a solution to reduce our footprint overall here on earth just as well as other planets: it's called living, eating,breathing, shitting *in a suit of armor* rather than a house or large structure. :)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:12:09 UTC No. 16383170
>>16383165
>>16383166
There's research ongoing right now which hopefully we'll see the results of next year
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/stati
Genuinely exciting stuff.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:12:18 UTC No. 16383171
>>16383166
You sound like the people who said booster reuse would never work.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:12:19 UTC No. 16383172
>>16383163
NASA and SpaceX are most certainly not saying it’s a huge opportunity kek. Are unicorns also real in your perceived reality of the world?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:14:29 UTC No. 16383174
>>16383171
This is a completely different ball game. Even if your launch costs were FREE it would still be cheaper to mine for and process raw materials here on earth. For anything. Including rare earth metals, common ores, you name it.
You would lose money by processing asteroids, period. This isn’t booster reuse speculation against the market of rocket reuse profits.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:14:32 UTC No. 16383175
>>16383123
And see that's where I disagree. You can reduce a human 'footprint' to use overall less resources by living in a suit of armor 24/7. also makes way for extra storage on a rocket if you reduce a human 'footprint' that much if we find a way to make a human living sustainably in that suit of armor.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:14:58 UTC No. 16383176
>>16383165
it's actually a way to make expensive things even more expensively that can't be done on earth. like specialized drugs and high quality fiber optics and uhh... ummm uhhh...
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:15:41 UTC No. 16383177
>>16383166
>Have you even considered WHY it isn’t done right now, from an economics standpoint? Everyone here is disagreeing with you because everyone else knows what they are talking about
it is being done right now retard, varda launched a test for pharma development last year via spacex
https://x.com/VardaSpace/status/166
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:17:36 UTC No. 16383178
>>16383177
Did you have to repeat a class or two in K-12? Lots of parent teacher conferences, I assume?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:17:46 UTC No. 16383179
>>16383170
There's a (small) business case for making pharmaceuticals otherwise impossible to make on earth etc., yes.
Manufacturing anything in space that can be made on earth in space is a non-starter.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:19:29 UTC No. 16383181
>>16383174
>Even if your launch costs were FREE it would still be cheaper to mine for and process raw materials here on earth
This is what asteroid mining fags will never understand
>bu bu but Issac Arthur said robots would do it
Fuck off
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:19:55 UTC No. 16383182
>>16383179
>it's not possible
>o-ok maybe it's possible but just for pharma which doesn't count
>ok fine maybe semiconductors too which also don't count
>[YOU ARE HERE]
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:21:46 UTC No. 16383184
>>16383182
It's very apt that you haven't listed anything under [YOU ARE HERE]
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:22:14 UTC No. 16383185
>>16383184
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:23:11 UTC No. 16383187
>>16383176
Grow marijuana on Haven-1, market as space weed and sell them to potheads. It's just that easy.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:24:33 UTC No. 16383189
>>16383184
There's a great business case for plenty of other stuff which have already been mentioned:
>modular spacecraft
>organ farms
>stem cells
And presumably there's some halfway viable business case for whatever else NASA is testing which I haven't looked into
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:24:58 UTC No. 16383190
>>16383181
Nta, but of course would the work be done by robots. Humans would add a whole world, a literal liveable space of added cost.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:25:44 UTC No. 16383191
>>16383190
You can't have robots in space even though 99% of modern manufacturing is done mechanically with engineer oversight
>why?
YOU JUST CAN'T OK
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:26:28 UTC No. 16383192
>>16383189
Stop watching soi-fi slop on youtube and browsing through speculative futurism reddit comments, dummy. We all would like you to join us here in the real world.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:27:06 UTC No. 16383193
>>16383182
How many pills do you think a starship can carry? Quick math says 500,000,000. Using SpaceX's ideal starship numbers gets you a shipping cost of 0.004 dollars per pill. Even if all in manufacturing is ten times that, you're only talking a couple cents. This does not scale to commodities measured by the kilogram. >>16383191
>robot breaks several AU from the nearest human being
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:27:26 UTC No. 16383194
>>16383192
the real world... as in actively being developed by private industry and NASA?
>>16383170
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:28:42 UTC No. 16383197
>>16383190
This has NOTHING to do with labor costs. Where do you people come from??
I’ll break it down for you: I want an apple. My nextdoor neighbor Jerry has an apple tree. My aunt Tilda, who lives 18 miles away, also has an apple tree. It would cost less for me to walk over to Jerry’s and grab and apple versus the cost of driving to and from my aunt’s house for the same apple.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:29:17 UTC No. 16383198
>>16383191
Reminds me of the union strike of german rail workers. Fuckers literally put less automation in their demands.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:33:08 UTC No. 16383202
>>16383170
This is just a scam they use to steal money from taxpayers. None of this will ever do anything.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:34:20 UTC No. 16383203
>>16383197
Are you drunk?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:36:14 UTC No. 16383206
>>16383197
The way I explain it is to think of space like mount everest. Imagine the expense of mining that peak or building a factory there. Even if transportation is free that's difficult and it isn't free. Starship cheapening launch costs still makes it 100x more expensive than next day air from the US to China
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:36:25 UTC No. 16383207
>>16383181
The only scenario in which asteroid mining makes sense is if you were building something inside that asteroid, i.e. a base on Ceres or Vesta
Later thinkers pivoted to electromagnetic launches of material as "free" delta-v for getting the stuff somewhere useful
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:37:15 UTC No. 16383208
>>16383207
How do you catch what you launch?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:37:44 UTC No. 16383209
>>16383169
Get off the drugs
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:38:02 UTC No. 16383210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fM
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:38:30 UTC No. 16383211
>spaceflight thread
>nooo, space ventures are useless. They'll never grow to anything!
>Don't even bother trying or even imagining
Then what the fuck are you doing here?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:40:06 UTC No. 16383213
>>16383211
>why aren’t you guys seriously considering wormholes and black hole drives and constant 1g ships??
Because this isn’t an isaac arthur comment section?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:41:04 UTC No. 16383214
>>16383206
People sold cans filled with air from mount everest. I'm sure luxury brands could think of a way to capitalize on made in space materials.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:41:15 UTC No. 16383215
>>16383206
it's actually easier to mine asteroids than mount everest.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:42:38 UTC No. 16383217
>>16383211
We talk about near term tech between actual launches in these threads. There is money to be made in space via coms and Earth observation, but that's pretty much it. We're all Mars freaks here but we don't pretend even that will ever make money. The opposite actually, the richest man on Earth is going to burn through his resources in their entirety just to set up a self sustainable city. No material payoff at all, just making something cool happen
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:43:04 UTC No. 16383219
>>16383176
reliably superconducting LK-99?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:44:54 UTC No. 16383221
>>16383213
>basic colonies and space industry are the same as highly speculative theories
Fuck off.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:45:04 UTC No. 16383222
>>16383217
>self sustainable city
Don't delude yourself, this will never happen. Self sustainable based on what? Mining that you can't do due to environmental constraints, production that you can't support due to no raw materials, mind bogglingly high food/water production costs, a service economy to earth when sending signals will take hours?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:45:13 UTC No. 16383223
>>16383211
Tying a big rope between Earth and Mars is joke-tier, it doesn't require more thought than a dismissal.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:47:26 UTC No. 16383226
>>16383223
>he hasn't seen the ACME corporation's ambitious space expansion plans
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:48:47 UTC No. 16383227
>>16383226
What is the ISP of SRB rocket-skates anyway?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:50:01 UTC No. 16383228
>>16383223
>space lifts are dumb because someone wants to stretch one between literal planets
Know what, you got me. I'm leaving. Yes, i know you were just pretending and all that jazz. Have fun being miserable.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:51:16 UTC No. 16383231
>>16382815
>Earth will be uninhabitable in a few decades no matter what we do at this point, so we SHOULDN'T be trying to figure out how to sustain life inside sealed habitats indefinitely today, because we need those resources to fix Earth (which I believe is unfixable at this point, to reiterate)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:53:37 UTC No. 16383232
>>16383221
The problem is you’re conflating the two
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:53:58 UTC No. 16383234
>>16383227
Under 200 probably since his rockets all appear to be fireworks / black powder.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:55:17 UTC No. 16383238
>>16383235
Gateway PPE+HALO will get pretty close, even requiring a custom fairing.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:56:05 UTC No. 16383240
>>16382826
I don't think that'd significantly negatively impact a Mars colony on time scales fast enough that they could not react. The fact that the entire colony would be a controlled environment means that as long as there's sufficient power they're pretty much immune to all weather conditions.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:57:52 UTC No. 16383243
>>16383214
I'm sure there will be, but it will stay niche in any case if its just selling weird shit to a small population
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:57:55 UTC No. 16383244
>>16383215
You're going to have to elaborate on that one lmao
>>16383222
Based on every participant's interest in surviving and improving their material conditions? You know, like Earth?
>mining
Already done in more hostile conditions on Earth
>water
You'll need to mine absurd amounts of it for industry, siphoning some small percentage off for humans to use will not be that expensive
>food
Confirmed for not knowing anything lmao, food is the easiest one
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:59:25 UTC No. 16383245
>>16383244
>Already done in more hostile conditions on Earth
I knew marsfags were deluded but this is something else
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:59:29 UTC No. 16383246
>>16382891
It can if you're far enough away that all eyes are on one side of your spacecraft. That'd let you put an actively cooled panel between you and all observers, as cold as the CMB, and also make you so faint and have such small apparent size that you'd be practically undetectable.
All stealth is is being practically undetectable. All stealth aircraft for example still have radar cross sections, they're just really hard to spot and the equipment that could spot them would be too big and expensive to field.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:01:38 UTC No. 16383247
>>16383243
Aluminum was also used to be niche and used to worth more than silver of equivalent weight.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:02:17 UTC No. 16383248
>>16382891
explain why. we can barely spot the 100 yard wide NEOs. anything that size that is actively trying to hide its radar and infrared signature will be almost invisible
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:03:24 UTC No. 16383249
>>16383245
Mars has lower atmospheric pressure and an amount of radiation a robot wouldn't even notice. You could swap out the hydraulics with motors and batteries, replace the AC with life support, and you're done. We have drones operating in flooded salt mines right now
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:04:26 UTC No. 16383250
>>16383211
you are talking about bringing raw metal back to earth, that is not going to be economically useful
ISRU on the other hand is and will be critical i.e. using the materials you mine locally
there might be a business case in the medium future of mining Ice on the moon and selling the H2 and O2 as propellants to LEO tankers or in cislunar space in general, but even then its based on comparative advantage and not the H2 and O2 being cheaper than earth launched H2 and O2
meaning that the demand for launch is so great that activity will be launch limited and in that case it is more profitable to launch some complex equipment or humans or whatever into LEO instead of launching propellants and instead buying the propellants from the Moon which could theoretically send them relatively cheaply with mass drivers
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:06:40 UTC No. 16383252
>>16383250
Precisely. PSA to the idiot trying to defend space mining and getting butt hurt that nobody wants to discuss it: this is where the serious conversation should be.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:07:02 UTC No. 16383253
>>16383247
This is a terrible example for several reasons. You might just be retarded
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:07:40 UTC No. 16383255
>>16383228
Just tether an asteroid high enough to be geostationary, then the concept stops being retarded and becomes more reasonable
>>16383234
Who says you can't ride dynamite to space?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:08:00 UTC No. 16383256
>>16382959
A SpaceX monopoly would be a natural monopoly that only exists because SpaceX is just better than everyone else.
The correct reaction to this would be for everyone else to copy SpaceX's work methods, not to hang SpaceX for the crime of being too efficient.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:10:19 UTC No. 16383258
>>16383247
yes but how is that relevant?
did Mount Everest air become cheap and have high demand all of a sudden? no
why would asteroid gold? its the same exact element as on earth
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:11:01 UTC No. 16383259
>>16383255
Building a 36,000km cable does not constitute the basis for a realistic plan
>inb4 that one fag insists you can buy such a cable on amazon.com again
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:11:09 UTC No. 16383260
>>16382988
fucking kek, nah all the MIC companies are too fat and retarded from sucking govt tits for decades.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:12:34 UTC No. 16383261
>>16383004
>they'll pivot
They cannot pivot from being slow and incompetent to being agile and smart
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:15:47 UTC No. 16383263
>>16383052
Now that she's an adult I want her nudes (we all know she has some)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:16:05 UTC No. 16383264
What's the point of manned space flight? I've never seen it have a real scientific impact.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:16:57 UTC No. 16383266
>>16383264
It is scientific impact.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:17:13 UTC No. 16383267
>>16383085
Batteries can do that with no problem.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:18:06 UTC No. 16383269
>>16383266
How?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:19:16 UTC No. 16383271
>>16383269
>how is scientific impact scientific impact?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:19:18 UTC No. 16383272
>>16383094
Serious planning means focusing completely on the transportation problem before fantasizing about easy problems like recycling air and water and growing food.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:19:59 UTC No. 16383273
>>16383259
>Building a 36,000km cable does not constitute the basis for a realistic plan
Sure but it's at least MORE realistic than tethering Earth and Mars.
>>16383264
What's the point of (you)? All you do is consume resources, what are you actually good for?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:20:19 UTC No. 16383274
>>16383264
two men and a long weekend can do what takes a robot years. I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure apollo 11 (fewest samples of any mission) brought back more rocks than all robotic sample returns from all bodies combined.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:23:25 UTC No. 16383277
>>16383175
The point isn’t to minmax human life to a spreadsheet with the core of Mars being efficiency. The point is to make it a civilization. We’re not terraforming Mars in a lifetime but there’s no reason to send people out there just to live like bubbleboy.
That’s why solar-only is so stupid. Lots of work and maintenance, with power always being limited (or at best, needing to be budgeted). Nuclear gives you a huge reserve and allows you to actually live a little
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:23:39 UTC No. 16383278
>>16383105
Space elevators on Earth won't beat reusable rockets on cost/kg. The first place we'll build a space elevator is likely an asteroid, Ceres would be a good one. Maybe Phobos.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:23:48 UTC No. 16383279
>>16383271
Not an argument
>>16383273
>What's the point of (you)?
At least I don't waste billions of dollars on something which as far as I can see has no real value
>>16383274
How important is bringing more rocks from the moon, scientifically? And do you have a source for "two men and a long weekend can do what takes a robot years"?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:24:42 UTC No. 16383281
>>16383263
what the hell man
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:24:44 UTC No. 16383282
>>16383113
So basically you're fantasizing without any regard for physics or reality in general.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:25:11 UTC No. 16383283
>>16383279
>source for humans being more capable than robots
That they haven't killed us yet.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:27:25 UTC No. 16383286
>>16383279
are you retarded? baiting? I posted the source. apollo astronauts booked it around the surface finding more interesting features in their 3 day missions than chinese and soviet rovers did in months or years.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:27:31 UTC No. 16383287
>>16383283
Well, that's not a convincing argument. Robots are clearly better than humans at many things
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:28:43 UTC No. 16383288
>>16383208
I can only imagine solar sails put it in the desired orbit and the payloads are very, very low mass
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:28:56 UTC No. 16383289
>>16383121
>colonies
>habitats
>rotating spacecraft
All spacecraft capable of going to the Asteroid belt with people would qualify as each one of these things.
>Why is everyone so excited about people boarding suicide missions?
The only "suicide mission" ever proposed for space travel was a scam called Mars One.
>Grab some asteroids and start dismantling them.
Requires, and is best done to support the construction of, giant rotating colony spacecraft habitats.
>Bring down
Nope, will never be economical vs mining Earth, mining asteroids will be done to build things in the Asteroid belt.
>a kiloton of copper for starters.
Copper is abundant and cheap on Earth.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:29:05 UTC No. 16383290
>>16383286
engagement baiting, it’s even more embarrassing that you idiots fail for it
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:29:34 UTC No. 16383291
>>16383279
>At least I-
consume resources and contribute nothing, the decision of the /sfg/ counsel is final, please enter the airlock.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:30:19 UTC No. 16383292
>>16383289
>Mars One
Ugh the memories
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:32:09 UTC No. 16383293
>>16383286
What significant new scientific results can you get by studying a few extra rocks? Have these resulted in a nobel prize?
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:32:24 UTC No. 16383294
>>16383136
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:32:26 UTC No. 16383295
>>16383238
Isn't it a ton over its mass limit right now? Haven't been following the Gateway news.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:33:53 UTC No. 16383296
>>16383054
lol
please try it.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:34:01 UTC No. 16383297
>>16383163
SpaceX thinks asteroid mining is such an obvious huge opportunity to target that they've literally never once mentioned it even a single time in over two decades of existing.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:37:29 UTC No. 16383299
>>16383169
What you're describing is impossible of course, but more importantly, it wouldn't even offer any advantages. Even if you could wish for this thing to exist, congrats, you now have a method of going to Mars that only takes 12 years of tether climbing at 1 km/s instead of 6 months via ballistic transfer.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:38:34 UTC No. 16383303
>>16383175
what the fuck are you even saying?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:40:01 UTC No. 16383305
>>16383189
brainrotted
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:41:16 UTC No. 16383306
>>16383103
>Mostly due to people no longer believing in human potential
Something always seemed off about modern Brits compared to those of the prior era but I could never put my finger on what it was. How do we fix this so Britain once again engages in empire building but this time in space?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:41:17 UTC No. 16383307
>>16383194
The private industry and NASA are guilty of developing plenty of tech that went nowhere and was abandoned.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:42:39 UTC No. 16383308
>>16383292
When that was announced I was only 12 and had the accompanying childish understanding of how the world worked, but I still knew that that was dead on arrival. Funding a Mars mission by making a tv show out of it? How was anyone fooled?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:42:41 UTC No. 16383309
>>16383259
>inb4 that one fag insists you can buy such a cable on amazon.com again
still seething about zyklon cables anon?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:45:27 UTC No. 16383314
>>16383211
>space ventures are useless
disingenuous piece of shit, we are pointing out that the economics make no sense for a business trying to mine asteroids to sell materials to Earth for a profit. Nobody is arguing it is impossible to mine asteroids, we are arguing it is impossible for EARTH to mine asteroids for profit. Asteroid mining will be done, and it will be done by people living in space in order to build more habitats.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:45:27 UTC No. 16383315
>>16383264
>What's the point of manned space flight?
The human adventure is just beginning
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:45:31 UTC No. 16383316
I just looked up what the point of manned space flight was and the results was just science fiction, basically:
>The recent Bush vision gives a representative mix of reasons for human spaceflight: to search for habitable worlds away from Earth, possibly leading to the discovery of present or past life on other planets; to develop new technologies; to inspire children to study and seek careers in science, technology, engineering, and math; and to symbolize American democracy to the world. Other objectives given for human beings in space include national security, scientific discovery, and establishing human colonies on other worlds, often for the purpose of saving the human race by seeding other planets.
I mean, wow. Just... wow.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:46:28 UTC No. 16383317
>>16383228
don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:46:45 UTC No. 16383319
>>16383217
The material payoff is the Mars city, in the same way the material payoff of a $250,000 mortgage is the house.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:47:21 UTC No. 16383320
>>16383277
>That’s why solar-only is so stupid. Lots of work and maintenance, with power always being limited (or at best, needing to be budgeted). Nuclear gives you a huge reserve and allows you to actually live a little
based
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:48:15 UTC No. 16383322
>>16383222
Baseless FUD, opinion discarded
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:48:23 UTC No. 16383323
>>16383293
mining
Easier to build generation ships out of moon than earth
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:49:19 UTC No. 16383325
>>16383228
bye retard! don't come back please!
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:51:34 UTC No. 16383330
>>16383235
and?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:52:25 UTC No. 16383332
>>16382918
Elon missing the point again.
Once HST dies, we won't have a UV telescope on orbit. It's not about visible wave lengths, as you can study those frequencies with larger ground based observatories. We need a dedicated UV space telescope.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:53:20 UTC No. 16383338
>>16383245
Earth has oxygen and water, both of which FUCK technology rapidly if not actively combatted by maintenance crews. Meanwhile rovers on Mars last decades without being touched by a grease gun or cheater bar.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:54:04 UTC No. 16383340
>>16383287
No, not very many judging by the general economy.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:55:05 UTC No. 16383342
>>16383306
Replace them with indians.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:55:24 UTC No. 16383343
>>16383332
>It's not about visible wave lengths, as you can study those frequencies with larger ground based observatories
Aren't integration times limited by Earth rotation?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:55:24 UTC No. 16383344
>>16383316
nobody's laughing at this bit, give it a rest
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:58:33 UTC No. 16383351
>>16383344
I'm not joking, anon. If the motivations for manned space flight are this bad, it's really no different than a big money wasting scam.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:59:19 UTC No. 16383352
>>16383295
Not a problem for Falcon, a problem for their gay weaksauce ion engines.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:00:01 UTC No. 16383355
>>16383247
Yeah because we got better at chemistry & invented electricity, so the hyperabundant aluminum ores of Earth became accessible and economical to refine. Equivalent improvements for asteroid mining would include high power & cheap fusion propulsion plus highly advanced automated production, both both of these technologies would also apply to the economics of mining Earth (via an ultracheap power supply and ultracheap scalable labor pool that can survive harsher conditions), which fundamentally breaks the economic case for Earth-profiting asteroid mining anyway.
Just like how every possible technology for making Earth SSTOs viable also applies to two stage to orbit systems, so SSTO can never win on economics here, so too does every possible technology for making asteroid mining profitable for Earth also reduce the cost of just mining Earth.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:01:02 UTC No. 16383358
>>16383306
Annex them into the US. Total imperial inversion. Simply giving the bongs freedom fixes a lot of their problems.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:01:19 UTC No. 16383359
>>16383351
Fuck off
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:02:28 UTC No. 16383361
>>16383351
>i'm not joking
>i'm not pretending to be retarded, i'm actually retarded
bad either way, the only winning scenario is you giving it a rest.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:04:36 UTC No. 16383363
>>16383359
Will the funding agencies accept that response too?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:06:14 UTC No. 16383365
>>16383351
Consider it a hobby then. I don’t know why I’m engaging with you but here’s my pitch anyways: Musk can offer starlink internet to people across Earth and use the revenue from that to land little metal tubes on mars and pay to get willing humans to go there. Just a hobby. A waste of THEIR time, you could argue. So what? He could likewise use that money to buy himself cars and build ships in bottles and play vidya. Again, just a hobby.
>but the government is paying for it
Then that’s a problem of YOUR elected officials. Don’t get mad at musk. The officials YOU elected decided to build ISS, decided to do Artemis. And they decided to award SpaceX contracts for commercial cargo, commercial crew, HLS moon landers.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:06:30 UTC No. 16383366
>>16383343
As far as data integration goes, modern telescopes have the single advantage of more modern RF systems. Such systems could transmit more information per ground station pass. But in the grand scheme of things, the data processing isn't the deciding factor of whether or not to fix HST. It's whether or not we want to sink money into a telescope that can do what multiple ground based telescopes can already do and better. Scientifically, it'd be more worthwhile to only put telescopes into space that benefit by not being inside our atmosphere.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:09:20 UTC No. 16383372
Has this thread been good or bad space discussion havent read anything since it first got baked
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:11:07 UTC No. 16383375
>>16383370
Spinning in a small well is more practical than this
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:11:45 UTC No. 16383378
>>16383366
Doesn't airglow impose a ceiling on how faint an object you can detect from the ground?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:11:55 UTC No. 16383379
>>16383365
This isn't about musk. It's about the point of manned space flight. You seem to agree it has no real value too
>The officials YOU elected decided to build ISS, decided to do Artemis.
If manned space flight is really close to worthless, those projects will turn out to be massive wastes of money too and other governments should learn not to fund such things in the future
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:12:45 UTC No. 16383381
>>16383370
stanford tori need to be denser than they are depicted. I don't care if you 70's hippie utopian future space commune looks like a picturesque village park. the real ones are going to be oil rigs stacked on top of office buildings.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:13:19 UTC No. 16383382
>>16383332
Near-UV telescopes in space can pretty much automatically cover the optical spectrum as well.
Any space telescope that is UV-capable is optically capable as well, the mirror can be the same, and actually needs to be more precisely ground for the shorter wavelengths. Just swap instruments at the prime focus to image the bands you need to see.
So yes, the target is a near-UV designed mirror and optics, with dual function instruments to capture optical as well, because we need both. I agree with Elon, servicing Hubble would only be a demo mission anyway, our sights should be set much higher, a modern UV/optical space instrument with 8m+ diameter. In fact not one, but a whole fucking team of the goddamn things.
Hubble's future belongs in a museum, that's the real reason to boost it, not for the extended science, but to save a valuable and storied relic, for a future Earth return intact.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:13:55 UTC No. 16383384
>>16383365
>but the government is paying for it
So how much military gigs has SpaceX taken on yet. Never really thought about it desu, but surely they didn't pay him that generously to bring internet to shitholes.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:14:27 UTC No. 16383385
>>16383375
> bearings holding everything up
seems less practical tbqh
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:15:24 UTC No. 16383386
>>16383384
they launch military sats constantly and just recently started making a military version of starlink
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:17:15 UTC No. 16383388
So if the hubble reboost happens (most definitely won't) is there any parts they could bring to supe it up?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:18:24 UTC No. 16383389
>>16383375
I'm glad you like my concept so much
>>16383385
You can have several maglev rings with the rails at an angle holding it up and holding it in place. A realistic spin hab in space will also have something similar, unless you want to spin the shielding too (you don't)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:20:36 UTC No. 16383393
>>16383137
An economically feasible must allow producing something with fewer resources than the alternative.
If the thing you're trying to produce is inexpensive and your suggested means of producing it is very expensive, your plan is a non-starter.
The price of copper on earth is low. The cost of bringing copper to earth is very high.
However, the price of copper in space is very high. It's expensive to put copper in outer space, so if there was demand for copper ingots in space, a plan to mine asteroids might be practical. Unfortunately, the demand for raw materials in space is basically zero.
By the time there is demand for raw materials in space, the cost of raw materials in space will have dropped dramatically, so there's no reason to mine asteroids in the foreseeable future.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:20:49 UTC No. 16383394
>>16383381
>the real ones are going to be oil rigs stacked on top of office buildings.
You can tuck a lot away out of sight and put dwellings on the rim. It needn't be ugly
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:21:36 UTC No. 16383395
>>16383393
economically feasible plan*
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:21:48 UTC No. 16383398
>>16383372
Dogshit with reddit tourists spamming their unironic true opinions
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:21:56 UTC No. 16383399
>>16383385
Undergoes barely any stress due to extreme low G environment, not impractical at all. Work on any moon with ease of access to whatever you want without gay landing sequences to go down and ease of launch going up.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:23:27 UTC No. 16383400
Tethered space ring launcher makes way more sense than a space elevator. Also strapping rockets to high metal % asteroids and landing them in the outback
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:24:01 UTC No. 16383401
>>16383163
>>16383169
same level of intelligence
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:24:02 UTC No. 16383402
>>16383400
Yes and no
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:24:35 UTC No. 16383404
>>16383399
>Undergoes barely any stress due to extreme low G environment
well now hold on. each spoke is depicted as being the size of the empire state building. 8 are drawn but presumably there are 12 with the front 4 cut away for easier viewing. even at moon gravity and not counting the weight of every single other part of the structure your bearings are holding up the weight of two empire state buildings.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:25:55 UTC No. 16383407
>>16383389
I know Im probably posting it too often but it just makes so much sense in my mind in solving the problems with small moon colonization that I keep referencing it whenever that comes up.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:27:20 UTC No. 16383410
>>16383381
You can have both. Ten stories of dense housing with the eleventh floor as a park. Think a surface area allocation like central park with respect to the rest of Manhattan
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:28:17 UTC No. 16383412
>>16383211
if you can't tell the difference between a good idea and a bad idea you should just shut the fuck up
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:28:21 UTC No. 16383413
>>16383407
No way man, it's like the Mars mattress autist. If that's a solution to the same things we talk about every day then post it every day
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:28:49 UTC No. 16383414
>>16383372
Shit bait questions and uninformed idiots, but lots of people answering and debating in good faith nonetheless, so I’d say “above-average” actually
>>16383370
O’neill cucktubes aside I know people tend to think of ‘futuristic space’ as sleek and shiny. Others suggest an art deco and grandeur design we should chase for the first city on Mars. And both are good!
But no one ever brings up brutalism. I’m not suggesting orcish, commieblock utilitarianism. More like the bungie Halo forerunner vibes.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:30:03 UTC No. 16383417
>>16383394
Obviously you want as much of the sunlit open space of a torus or cylinder covered by plants for CO2 scrubbing, O2 production, food, and general crew health. The real problem of the 70s designs is too many surface buildings rather than too few.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:31:32 UTC No. 16383420
I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant, but isn't it the case that the quality of mining even common metals like iron on the decline? So at the bare minimum, you would want to mine local (space) resources for whatever demand there was in space? I ASSUME this means you'd make any Earth satellites or rockets or goods using Earth materials, but any moon/mars/Eros/whatever goods and satellites would be made from local resources as much as possible. And because its expensive as fuck to bring goods/raw materials to those distant places, it is just as expensive to bring it back, unless you were able to somehow bring enough back for a low enough cost (probably impossible unless you have some magically efficient way to transport it) that you could actually make a profit in that far off market. Or am I too retarded to be helped?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:32:20 UTC No. 16383421
>>16383400
I don't want to bring the metal back down the gravity well, I want to turn spacemetal into spaceships, the metal is already up there so half the work is done.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:32:40 UTC No. 16383422
>>16383255
>Who says you can't ride dynamite to space?
dynamite has dogshit energy density
you start with something that's already low energy density and then add rocks
I don't think it's possible
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:32:45 UTC No. 16383423
>>16383417
wrap the tube in algae dense water for radiation shielding, UV protection, CO2 scrubbing, and thermal mass.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:33:25 UTC No. 16383424
>>16383413
what's that?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:33:44 UTC No. 16383425
>>16383402
>no
As always it's the size of the market. In space demand will not be able to handle in space supply for a long time once things get going. Paying for more space infra by seeding the outback (or any country with a lot of mining equipment + uninhabited space) with useful metal makes sense
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:34:12 UTC No. 16383427
>>16383424
i keep seeing this posted and nobody explains how it actually works or what its made of or how its set up.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:34:31 UTC No. 16383428
>>16383309
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:36:04 UTC No. 16383429
>>16383425
>handle
Fully absorb
>>16383421
It's the processing that will be the bottleneck. Better to max out finished goods in space while throwing excess asteroids down
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:36:21 UTC No. 16383430
>>16383379
No, I was throwing out a way to think about it that sidesteps needing a “point” in the first place. I can’t speak for the whole globe, but I personally got a geology degree and I think sending humans to other terrestrial bodies is cool for mineral science and petrology alone. Trying to pinpoint geochemical processes, studying what different worlds tell us about Earth. Prospecting spots purely of scientific interest. Planet like Venus can only ever be studied in-situ at a surface level by robots, but places like the Mars and the Moon could really use humans that can move far quicker than robots, drill faster and deeper than robots, make real-time decisions for ‘changing the game plan’ on the spot. That’s MY interest. And, in general, sending humans to places like LEO helps us study microgravity. Perhaps the ISS isn’t the best example of this but there’s still something to be said about studying long-duration affects on the human body, having 20+ year old hardware in orbit close to home to study its durability which will be needed on the surface of other planets, having humans to do maintenance on satellites like hubble that a robot could do but it’s just easier to send humans. That’s my personal pitch. Thinking there’s “no point” is sort of a you problem and I’m not going to bend over backwards reach some sort of middle ground with reddit-tier nihilism
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:38:16 UTC No. 16383434
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:39:48 UTC No. 16383436
>>16383430
>Planet like Venus can only ever be studied in-situ at a surface level by robots
Even there, teleoperation from Venus orbit cuts down speed of light delay times
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:42:06 UTC No. 16383439
Everyone knows NASASpaceFlight are a bunch of fags, but they really outgayed themselves this time.
>Starship takes a year to make
>the FAA delay is only 60 days
>obviously the FAA is not delaying Starship
How about there are indefinite delays of each test flight to achieve political gains (on behalf of those who hate progress and love destroying the future by importing the worst people in the world by the millions)?
I just hope they understand how revolting and despicable they are.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:42:41 UTC No. 16383440
>>16383420
Yet there’s no organic industry in space right now nonetheless… so unless you have wave some industry into existence, it won’t be profitable. I hope you see the problem here.
>b-but anon this is just circular thinking! If we start mining then we can start a space industry on Mars or in the asteroid belt
The problem is that this industry does not exist at the moment and therefore it will forever be a net negative in profit and it’s WAY too expensive to try and brute force to make it profitable. That’s not possible, not at the scales you need and the hurdles that are needed to be jumped.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:43:28 UTC No. 16383442
>>16383424
first ones will be oxygen envelopes surrounded by an envelope pressurized from atmospheric CO2
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:47:37 UTC No. 16383447
>>16383440
Well ain't the first step to provide a service and jobs? Places to do lots and lots of scientific research in orbit or on the moon? Or I guess indulge some millionaires by letting them spend 3 nights in a tiny shitty "hotel" or on a "cruise ship" in orbit? And by having these things which are somewhat reasonable in the near future you begin to develop more infrastructure and need more people and the ball gets rolling because that cislunar stuff supports that Mars stuff? Or did I miss something? Very possible, I'm stupid and ignorant but at least I know I'm stupid and ignorant.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:47:47 UTC No. 16383448
>>16383436
I hope DAVINCI falls somewhere cool and gets great photos of the surface
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:48:13 UTC No. 16383449
>>16383442
And what happens during the planet wife dust storms?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:49:01 UTC No. 16383451
>>16383439
>I just hope they understand how revolting and despicable they are.
They "know" that they are in the right, or "the right side of history" as their religion puts it. People make the mistake of trying to argue with them, when they are ultimately religious zealots and you're arguing against their faith not their ideas. You can debunk an idea, you can't argue someone out of a faith they desperately need to hold onto.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:49:31 UTC No. 16383452
>>16383449
>planet wife
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:49:35 UTC No. 16383453
>>16383427
This is the cheapest way to get as much of the surface of Mars Earth-like as possible with modern technology. ETFE plastic sheet anchored to the dirt via steel cables. Steel can be produced on Mars early on, ETFE later, but in the mean time one starship load of ETFE gets you 70 acres of pressurized volume. All the Mars art has compressive structures like domes or 3d printed houses or something, but because of the air pressure difference your breathable atmosphere can be structural. Factories need lots of space to spread out, and all of our processes on Earth were designed for Earth conditions. Mining still needs some development, but literally everything after that step can be replicated 1:1 with no extra development on the surface of Mars with this system. You can also bubble in half to double the land area of the United States depending on your ceiling height, so Mars could have quite a civilization well before serious considerations for terraforming.
>>16383420
It's just a function of cost. Our early sources of iron ore were formed from the great oxygenation and were damn near 100% iron. Our sources are now down to like 25%, with undifferentiated dirt being 12%. Extracting 12% iron is still probably cheaper than mining asteroids though. Also keep in mind, the entire asteroid belt has less mass than the Earth's crust.
You also need to keep in mind that you still need to refine and manufacture afterwards. Right now that only happens on Earth. The process of extraterrestrial industrialization would entail sending less dumb mass and more complex products with each launch as you build up your local base. This is the plan for Mars, but it isn't clear what the minimum viable product would be for something like Eros
>>16383442
Holy shit WHERE did you get this image???
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:49:42 UTC No. 16383454
>>16383449
it gets a little dusty
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:51:12 UTC No. 16383456
we will build glorious caves, we are the submarranaen
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:51:24 UTC No. 16383457
>>16383454
And then it also gets blown away and everything under it is ruined
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:51:31 UTC No. 16383458
Again my idea to distill and sell expensive space alcohol makes sense. For some luxury spirits $10-$20k a liter are actual prices (there are more expensive ones but mostly because they embed diamonds into the bottle or shit like that)
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:52:23 UTC No. 16383459
>>16383457
there's only 2% air in the air on mars. wind just isn't that windy there
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:52:34 UTC No. 16383460
>>16383457
You think Martian wind is that strong? Why?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:53:33 UTC No. 16383462
>>16383460
He watched the reddit movie
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:53:52 UTC No. 16383463
A martian 0.006 atm derecho just blew over my house!
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:53:55 UTC No. 16383464
>>16383460
>>16383459
60 mph. Argue that with your dinky little structure
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:54:50 UTC No. 16383466
>>16383462
Oh my god you're right, fucking hell
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:55:11 UTC No. 16383469
>>16383457
>it gets blown away
On Mars you wouldn't even notice a wind that would peel your roof off on Earth
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:55:27 UTC No. 16383470
>>16383462
kek the damage it has done to the psyche of earthers is immeasurable
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:56:48 UTC No. 16383471
>>16383464
60mph * 0.02 = 1.2mph
ezpz
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:57:00 UTC No. 16383472
>>16383453
>Holy shit WHERE did you get this image???
https://marspedia.org/Paraterraform
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:59:13 UTC No. 16383476
>>16383471
Thats not how it works dum bass
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:00:45 UTC No. 16383479
Show your work
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:01:06 UTC No. 16383480
>>16383464
>>16383463
>>16383460
>>16383459
>>16383457
>>16383454
>>16383449
Don't underestimate the dust storm problem.
No, it wont blow structures down, but introduces a cloud of hostile, fine grained, corrosive FOD that blocks visibility, will down all drones, foul up precision equipment, space suits, and block solar power. This is NOT something that can be easily overlooked, stop believing Hollywood bullshit and be intelligent for a change.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:01:09 UTC No. 16383481
Powered flight on Mars requires larger fan blades spinning at higher RPM than would be needed on Earth. This is because the atmosphere on Mars is less than 1% the volume of Earth's.
Mars' atmosphere was mostly removed.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:01:21 UTC No. 16383482
>>16383476
I mean kinetic energy as a function of mass scales linearly so that pretty much is how it works kek, at least as a way to explain what it would feel like
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:03:47 UTC No. 16383484
>>16383355
asteroid mining might become preferable in a scenario where earth wants to be kept in a pristine condition (i.e. moving all mining and industry off earth)
but even then it isn't really an economic argument in the same sense
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:04:11 UTC No. 16383485
>>16383480
Blow it off with the oxygen you make from martian ice
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:04:49 UTC No. 16383486
>>16383480
You can just tell it to fuck off with little jets of air distributed all over the structure. Just integrate the system with the general life support that will also be distributed around the structure. The atmosphere is so thin you can do a lot with a little. Maybe build a solid wall on the windward side if it's an issue
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:05:50 UTC No. 16383488
>>16383484
Welcome back Gerard O'Neill
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:06:14 UTC No. 16383489
>>16383486
>Maybe build a solid wall on the windward side if it's an issue
A windbreak made from rough hewn Martian bedrock blocks would suffice just fine, hell yeah.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:06:30 UTC No. 16383491
>>16383486
No you cant nitwit. Static electricity will make it stick
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:08:09 UTC No. 16383494
>>16383486
You think its a non-issue nothing burger now, lets wait for ground truth. I guarantee this will be a massive headache for engineers and Martian residents alike.
The dust constituents are nasty, strongly oxidizing chemicals.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:08:29 UTC No. 16383495
>>16383491
I know moon dust does that but has mars dust ever demonstrated that property?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:08:32 UTC No. 16383496
>>16383491
If only we had mastered electricity by now
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:08:55 UTC No. 16383497
>>16383491
Oh you're the reddit dude. My bad for treating you as human
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:12:12 UTC No. 16383498
>>16383480
>No, it wont blow structures down, but introduces a cloud of hostile, fine grained, corrosive FOD that blocks visibility, will down all drones, foul up precision equipment, space suits, and block solar power.
Yeah /sfg/ focuses on wind loads and not the fact that dust hitting machines at 60mph for months is a problem
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:13:42 UTC No. 16383500
>>16383498
is it? the dinky little robots we leave there seem to be happy enough running for a decade without maintenance.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:14:32 UTC No. 16383502
>>16383488
My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see I was right
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:18:20 UTC No. 16383506
>>16383502
Hopefully it will rise near a better barber.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:19:04 UTC No. 16383507
>>16383498
Just surround your structures with thick stone. The ideal windproof Martian city looks like a Ur but inside each brick structure are pressurized habs.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:20:19 UTC No. 16383510
>>16383500
None of them have been in a dust storm that lasts months afaik. Mariner 9 tier ones are no joke
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:23:06 UTC No. 16383513
>>16383506
Spock would not have an illogical haircut therefore it is optimal for space
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:25:29 UTC No. 16383515
>>16383506
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:26:43 UTC No. 16383517
>>16383513
Spock's hair wasn't puffy. O'Neill has too much volume.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:33:19 UTC No. 16383522
Will fashion be different on Mars? Space suit derived formal wear instead of military uniform derived like our suits? How different could hair be? Volume might come back in style
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:34:32 UTC No. 16383523
>>16383507
Just dig in.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:38:44 UTC No. 16383525
>>16383507
Think for a second.
This dust is pervasive and long lasting. It will be fucking everywhere.
Concerns are:
FOD. This ruins the complex machines we NEED.
Its VERY toxic to the human body. It will be brought into the habitat via the suits.
Its corrosive as fuck, and will quickly deteriorate ALL infrastructure exposed to it.
It kills drones, it kills visibility. Not good. Why are humans going again?
Solar power is dead. Nuclear is the ONLY way forward.
Its not just toxic to us, but plants too. Martian soil just wont work for food production.
There are even more cons, list then here.
There are so many stupid people here thinking Martian dust storms is a solved problem because low atmospheric pressure. Faggot students with mid IQ is my guess.
We will have to live in caves for the most part, at first.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:40:28 UTC No. 16383526
Any cool footage released from the SpaceX spacewalk
>>16383332
we also need gravitational observatories
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:40:29 UTC No. 16383527
>>16383525
space is hard. the only solution is to give up now
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:40:42 UTC No. 16383529
>Evidence suggesting that earth had a ring in the Ordovician
Highlights
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Earth may have had a ring during the middle Ordovician, from ca. 466 Ma.
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Breakup of an asteroid passing within Earth's Roche limit likely formed the ring.
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Among several features preserved is a near-equatorial band of impact craters.
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Shading of Earth by the ring may have triggered a global icehouse period.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:45:23 UTC No. 16383534
>>16383527
We are NOT giving up.
Its just a harder problem than you retards think it is.
This dust is going to be a major headache, if you haven't realized that yet.
But we will solve it, in due time.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:45:35 UTC No. 16383535
>>16383281
She's a pretty, young, slim woman with tits. Every pretty, young, slim woman with tits you've ever seen was also once someone's precious baby girl.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:47:20 UTC No. 16383538
>>16383534
Hose it down, yes the whole Mars.
>>16383529
>Shading of Earth by the ring may have triggered a global icehouse period.
Neat, I wonder what that would've looked like from the ground
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:47:26 UTC No. 16383539
>>16383525
There's no way the dust storms are going to be that big of an issue. How hard can it really be to disrupt weather on Mars? The sky over Peru has as much air as the entirety of Mars. It's going to be something like one well placed nuke to stop the dust storms every few years and that's it
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:48:10 UTC No. 16383540
>>16383363
Musk is the funding
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:50:13 UTC No. 16383542
>>16383327
This is what you get when you let eggheads design things.
That suit is a product of the same minds that brought us Venture Star, launch loops, and those 3D printed Mars egg habitat concepts.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:53:32 UTC No. 16383545
>>16383109
are you kidding, there's a certain subgroup in the West whose power and wealth seems to be growing at an exponential rate and has been for decades
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:54:15 UTC No. 16383546
>>16383523
>>16383525
Do it like this
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:54:33 UTC No. 16383547
>>16383379
Actually spaceflight has demonstrable intrinsic value: people want to do it, ergo it has value. People can't come up with a reason why it's valuable, ergo it is INTRINSICALLY valuable, because it's value does not come from servicing some other goal, but rather is inherent to spaceflight itself.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:55:02 UTC No. 16383548
>>16383539
There's that overly optimistic young student talking again.
How old are you, and how is your academic performance?
Honest question, because you are spewing shit, and appear very dumb.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:56:04 UTC No. 16383549
>>16383381
Big open greenspace on top of dense living space and subsurface farms. The open greenspace is for people to not go insane, that's its only real function.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:57:25 UTC No. 16383551
>>16383546
Agree
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:57:49 UTC No. 16383552
>>16383546
Jordanian dust storms would distroy this if it were ever built in real life.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:58:06 UTC No. 16383553
>>16383393
All correct. Asteroid mining will be profitable for ventures attempting to colonize the asteroid belt, simple as.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:59:23 UTC No. 16383555
>>16383529
imagine an intelligent species with the tech to reach orbit but impact risk means they can never do it :(
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:02:12 UTC No. 16383558
>>16383417
Unironically, there isn't enough surface area inside one of these to grow food and supply oxygen for more than a low density human population. The farming will be done under the "surface" in artificially lit layers, and most oxygen will come from direct electrolytic breakdown of waste water & CO2. It's both easier and more productive this way.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:05:42 UTC No. 16383562
>>16383420
>I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant, but isn't it the case that the quality of mining even common metals like iron on the decline? So at the bare minimum, you would want to mine local (space) resources for whatever demand there was in space?
The quality of ores in space is very poor, Earth has had minerals concentrated over billions of years of hydrology, asteroids at best have a lot of iron. In reality the solution to running out of concentrated ores on Earth is to continue pivoting to less concentrated ore deposits that exist in much greater volumes. Making ore extraction on Earth cheaper is a far easier problem than making space mining competitive with Earth mines.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:05:49 UTC No. 16383563
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status
Tim Dodd interviewed Polaris Dawn crew after their EVA, starting from 2:20, or 5:10 to skip "overview effect"
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:07:09 UTC No. 16383565
>>16383423
Algae fucking sucks to manage, it is seriously finnicky. I would trust a chinese life support pallet before I'd trust the best algae based life support system SpaceX could engineer.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:08:53 UTC No. 16383567
>>16383427
Have you considered thinking about it for several seconds?
>>16383429
>while throwing excess asteroids down
You're handwaving the hardest part. Also, there won't be any "excess asteroids".
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:11:37 UTC No. 16383570
I need images of the spacewalk
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:12:32 UTC No. 16383571
>>16383459
>2%
0.6% actually
>>16383480
You are overestimating the dust storm problem to an absurd degree.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:12:54 UTC No. 16383573
>>16383570
you have google
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:13:35 UTC No. 16383575
>>16383480
Dust storms on Earth are unironically worse than Mars dust storms in every way relevant to tech survivability, and yet the American west exists.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:15:07 UTC No. 16383578
>>16383484
In that case the way to keep Earth pristine would be to recycle everything while moving people up into space habitats, not by bringing down an endless stream of space resources to toss around.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:15:47 UTC No. 16383579
>>16383539
Woops my math was off by half, it's closer to the sky over Argentina
>>16383548
Why are you being such a faggot lmao
>>16383570
The previous threads are always linked in the OP
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:15:52 UTC No. 16383581
>>16383575
Nothing space cowboys can’t handle
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:16:34 UTC No. 16383583
>>16383491
Wrong (demonstrated by cleaning events observed by Spirit & Opportunity). Mars dust is a non-problem made up by people who hate space travel.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:17:47 UTC No. 16383587
>>16383494
Idiot. The dust is grains of rock, with a tiny percentage of perchlorates, which are less oxidizing than oxygen, and less corrosive than water.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:18:46 UTC No. 16383591
I need to be spoonfed images of the SpaceX walk.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:19:00 UTC No. 16383593
>>16383526
SpaceX doesnt upload 4k anymore, just streams highly compressed garbage to X and calls it a day. No youtube, no flickr. Thanks Elon!
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:19:48 UTC No. 16383595
>>16383510
Both Spirit and Opportunity survived dust storms that lasted months. They aren't destructive events, they just block a lot of light.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:20:15 UTC No. 16383596
>>16383547
Humanity yearns for the open frontier when home gets too crowded. Our planet is *above* carrying capacity even with severe birthrate decline, and so even if the entire third world vanished we'd hit carrying capacity again in under 200 years. The siren song of an endless virgin frontier that has never known the touch of man is irresistable under such conditions. We must go, and so we will.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:20:33 UTC No. 16383599
>>16383593
They used to have such good content on Flickr. Sad!
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:22:31 UTC No. 16383604
>>16383548
>how is your academic performance?
someone's feeling like the big man on campus after midterms kek
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:22:54 UTC No. 16383606
>>16382658
can someone explain why nsf is so hated here?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:23:13 UTC No. 16383607
>>16383525
I fucking HATE bullshitters like you.
Perchlorates are destroyed by humidity and are not acutely toxic: you are a liar.
FOD: The dust hasn't harmed ANY of the machines we've put on Mars. Earth mining equipment deals with much worse dust conditions and it's fine.
It's far less corrosive than an oxygen atmosphere or humidity. We deal with both here on Earth, plus a lot of salt.
The rest of your post is similarly all a bunch of crap.
Go kill yourself, sincerely, you have made the world a worse place.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:23:37 UTC No. 16383608
>>16383596
>Our planet is *above* carrying capacity
Pseudoscience nonsense. I agree with you in spirit too, but this is just not correct
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:23:39 UTC No. 16383609
>>16383308
>Funding a Mars mission by making a tv show out of it? How was anyone fooled?
10 years from now this may be completely viable
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:24:29 UTC No. 16383610
>>16383534
It is not even close to as hard of a problem as you have stated it to be. All of your claims about how bad the dust is are wrong.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:25:28 UTC No. 16383614
>>16383608
Humans don't breed well in captivity. White, black, Asian, whatever, cities with low land ownership are population sinks everywhere on the planet.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:26:28 UTC No. 16383616
>>16383548
Should be easy for you to state what makes the dust so toxic, so corrosive, and so bad for machinery. If you fail to respond to this post or fail to explain why the above points are true in detail, it's an admission that you are wrong and retarded.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:29:05 UTC No. 16383624
>>16383555
The impact of the RKV we'll send to them will not bode well for their biosphere
>>16383593
Watching others seethe for their attachments is one of the many great pleasures enjoyed by people who have escaped samsara, like me
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:30:10 UTC No. 16383627
>>16383606
back to redit bigot
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:31:10 UTC No. 16383629
>>16383607
you know mars is humid right? And the perchlorates are still there
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:31:41 UTC No. 16383630
>>16383596
If Earth were above carrying capacity we would already be starving and in one year we would be at carrying capacity again, because the excess people would be dead. Clearly you must be considering some other factor beyond the ability to grow enough food when you say "carrying capacity", please explain.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:32:18 UTC No. 16383633
>>16383630
Sufficient space for reproduction.
>>16383614
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:36:48 UTC No. 16383638
>>16383134
That's a good point, but it requires people and resources being able to freely move to, live on and work on Mars.
At least until a certain amount of transportation, life support and fabrication is readily available for purchase, SpaceX will need to centrally plan everything, despite the limitations of that approach
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:37:31 UTC No. 16383639
>>16383629
Mars is not humid. It can have high relative humidity, when the temperatures are extremely cold, but the actual number of water molecules per cubic meter of air is negligible. Put perchlorates into a 20C habitat at 15% humidity and they will be destroyed in hours. To reiterate, perchlorates are not toxic enough to matter in those concentrations. That's why people can walk around the Atacama desert, which also contains perchlorates due to being so dry & exposed to UV, without becoming poisoned whatsoever.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:38:37 UTC No. 16383640
>>16383614
I already called it pseudoscience, you didn't need to expound the point
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:38:54 UTC No. 16383641
>>16383158
I just imagine being given the opportunity to freely punish an annoying neighbor or a random black person. It's basically impossible to resist.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:39:56 UTC No. 16383645
>>16383633
There's plenty of space here for reproduction. Are you referring to housing? Are you equating planetary carrying capacity to how many bedrooms exist? Do you understand why it makes no sense to think of carrying capacity as limited by a thing we build more of all the time?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:42:16 UTC No. 16383648
>>16383638
No it doesn't, those decisions can be made by the people on Mars even from day 1. They will be the actual experts from that point onwards, relying on Earth for decisions will only lead to immediate disaster
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:46:14 UTC No. 16383651
>>16383606
oink oink
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:49:30 UTC No. 16383657
>>16383558
the high density crop growing will take place in the less desirable lower-gravity "upper" region closer to the axis of rotation, with mirrors at the axis directing sunlight onto this "green house" area, the area furthest from the axis will be for people to live and work and recreate and can be as depicted in 1970s "California urban utopia" imaginings
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:52:03 UTC No. 16383660
>>16383657
The high density food and the bulk of calories will be starches produced using sewage and electricity
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:55:50 UTC No. 16383663
>>16383439
yeah that was really disingenious, the time SpaceX was talking about was obviously about the modifications to Starship, not building a completely new stack
and NSF should obviously know this too, so they are being doing this on purpose
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:56:00 UTC No. 16383664
>>16383484
The only practical way to mine asteroids is to redirect them towards Earth when they pass close to other planets.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:56:53 UTC No. 16383665
>>16383639
okay but I still prefer Moon
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:58:15 UTC No. 16383669
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:58:17 UTC No. 16383670
>>16383498
>Yeah /sfg/ focuses on wind loads and not the fact that dust hitting machines at 60mph for months is a problem
These dust storms have extremely low particle density. It's literally not a problem.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:59:17 UTC No. 16383672
>>16383502
>My spirit will rise from the grave
And I will call it a tubefag
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:00:40 UTC No. 16383674
>>16383660
>The high density food and the bulk of calories will be starches produced using sewage and electricity
you have some sort of unusual fetish or something?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:03:00 UTC No. 16383679
>>16383672
they come to scoff but stay to pray
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:04:18 UTC No. 16383680
>>16383525
We will keep "people" like you around to lick the dust off everything. NBD!
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:04:21 UTC No. 16383681
We will import nitrogen based fertilizers from Earth
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:10:54 UTC No. 16383688
>>16383491
moon dust is charged due to the solar wind and no atmosphere, mars has an atmosphere so the charge doesn't build up in the same way
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:12:33 UTC No. 16383690
>>16383571
>>16383579
>>16383587
>>16383587
>>16383604
>>16383607
>>16383610
>>16383616
>>16383616
I an a 5o-somethimg engineer with a science background, at hi peak and motivated, with extended experience in the filed, and you are naive mid tier student from the suburbs, going nowhere fast.
We are NOT in the same league,not even close. Fuck off. You are so far from critical thinking skills its laughable. Feeble minded students know nothing, yet are so confident. You FOOLS.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:13:34 UTC No. 16383691
>>16383525
nigga just mist some water when people come back into the airlock, percholates are not a problem
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:15:11 UTC No. 16383692
>>16383209
I'll take that as a compliment because your statement tells me that I have a genuinely unique idea that rubbed you so wrong that you actually crafted a response cuz your npc brain couldn't or didn't want to comprehend my level of creativity. To which here we are.
You know whohad a level of creativity that was told many times their ideas were Impossible?
The wright brothers who told the world that men can fly.
And more Importantly in 5 years neither of us are going to remember the conversations we have here, and also in 5 years something like having a free house paid for with UBI with robot slaves for EVERY household will be possible whereas if I said that now? That no one will ever have to pay rent again? Would be deemed insane.
Get back to work and keep the kava coming >:P
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:16:44 UTC No. 16383693
Just put everything in a zorb ball
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:21:58 UTC No. 16383701
>>16383681
There's roughly 6500x the atmospheric nitrogen on Mars that humans have ever converted into fertilizer. We'll be fine.
>>16383690
You talk to guys like this and you find out over the course of their career they've designed two gas tanks for some esoteric farm equipment and that's the sum total of their contribution to Earth
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:22:14 UTC No. 16383702
>>16383552
kek
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:25:00 UTC No. 16383705
>>16383562
If you run out of ore on earth, that means you have a lot of shit made out of metal lying around. Unfortunately, this means that recycling will eventually become economically viable.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:27:53 UTC No. 16383706
>>16383575
Dust storms in the American west are nothing compared to northern China. They're unpleasant and I don't like going outside during them, but they don't destroy buildings or cars or anything like that. I guess our resident retard will have to think up another reason that going to Mars is impossible.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:28:53 UTC No. 16383707
>>16383606
refer to the earlier post in this thread
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:33:44 UTC No. 16383716
>>16383648
Okay, you show up on day one and decide to build a dildo factory because you're a huge fag. Where is your bulldozer? Where do you source construction materials? Rubber? Plastic? Packaging? Printing services? Where does your factory's life support and power supply come from? How do you ship your products? Where do you get food for employees? Where do you get employees?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:37:40 UTC No. 16383721
>Chinese scientists prove that Starlink sats can be used to track F-22 and F-35
Why would Elon do this? Is he trying to get arrested?
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/china
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:40:38 UTC No. 16383724
>>16383721
more like starlink sats can track J-20 and Su-35 lmao get fucked chink scientists elon wins again
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:41:02 UTC No. 16383725
>>16383721
Lol this is a very clever move by China if it's fake
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:46:42 UTC No. 16383728
>>16383701
>You talk to guys like this and you find out over the course of their career they've designed two gas tanks for some esoteric farm equipment and that's the sum total of their contribution to Earth
putting it like this is probably suicide fuel for half the engineers on the planet
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:47:54 UTC No. 16383730
>>16383721
Most likely the PLA already knows that Starlink has built in countermeasures, or that stealth coating wouldn't reflect waves the same as a civilian drone (even if the radar signature is the same size), etc. If it was actually viable they wouldn't publicize it. And if it's anything, then it would only ever be an asset for the US military who'd take control over Starlink in any major war.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:49:51 UTC No. 16383733
>>16383721
>eurasiantimes
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:50:41 UTC No. 16383735
I can't stop thinking about Dragonfly, Europa Clipper and PLATO bros. So much science
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:54:23 UTC No. 16383739
>>16383735
io lander NOW
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:59:08 UTC No. 16383742
>>16383739
>io lander
*landing
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:03:22 UTC No. 16383749
>>16382956
It’s not a monopoly when they're literally the only provider that can actually provide a service and no one else has even tried. That’s like saying a store that specializes in selling custom moon rocks is a monopoly solely because no one else is doing it. It’s not as if they’re suppressing other companies; they even launch competitor sats specifically to avoid these sorts of allegations. What are these people smoking?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:04:50 UTC No. 16383752
>>16383742
Imagine the smell
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:07:24 UTC No. 16383756
>>16383606
>>16383525
Prime example of what the posters are like there
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:10:59 UTC No. 16383760
>>16383705
>Unfortunately, this means that recycling will eventually become economically viable.
Steel is the most recycled item there is. It’s already economically viable. Has been for a hundred years.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:15:07 UTC No. 16383766
>>16383482
>kinetic energy as a function of mass scales linearly
... but quadratically with velocity, so the equivalent w/r/t kinetic energy would be 8.5mph.
Doesn't matter, though, since we're really concerned with momentum, not energy, which scales linearly with both mass and velocity, so >>16383471 is basically right.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:24:13 UTC No. 16383775
>>16383555
LEO-equivalent orbits would be fine -- nothing small can stay there long due to drag, and if a few big rocks manage to stick around long enough, they will be few enough and large enough to be tracked and planned around. The breakup event would have to happen at the exact moment that society was industrializing to be a significant problem.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:28:41 UTC No. 16383777
>>16383735
Fuck Dragonfly
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:35:29 UTC No. 16383785
>>16383766
what is blud waffling about :skull:
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:37:00 UTC No. 16383786
>>16383777
You have autism go take your meds
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:37:20 UTC No. 16383787
>>16383742
An Io lander is probably getting a bit ahead of ourselves. A close orbiter would be better for a first dedicated mission. It could produce a high resolution atlas of the surface and chart how quickly the landscape changes. It could even do some direct chemical sampling of the volcanic plumes which would get astrochemists completely bricked up. It'd need to be built like a tank because of the radiation environment but even with that a simple probe could light enough to get launched on a direct trajectory by Falcon Heavy and then get there in around two years.
Once we've had some time to analyze that data we can start to have some constructive meetings about where we want to try dropping a surface prove.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:37:35 UTC No. 16383788
>>16383760
In which case feel free to append "for shit other than steel"
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:39:25 UTC No. 16383789
>>16383787
Basically Io Clipper. I would support it
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:40:15 UTC No. 16383791
>>16383606
the shilling on their streams gets excessive
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:52:54 UTC No. 16383801
>>16383789
Kinda. Europa Clipper is a big 6 ton flagship mission like Cassini was, and both of those would be carrying a lot more instrumentation. EC's got ten different instruments on it. FH can only toss about 2 tons onto a direct trajectory to Jupiter so this would be more like Galileo part 2. It'd have sensors for visual/IR surface imaging, a radiation/charged particle detector to measure just how fucked the probe is, and maybe a spectrometer if NASA is comfortable getting in close to the volcanic plumes.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:58:37 UTC No. 16383805
>>16383801
Oh I just meant in the sense that you’d send a clipper mission first to analyze the surface and scout a landing area, and once you know your parameters for that you design and launch a lander later on.
Io Volcano Observer was originally a new frontiers proposal but the shifted to the discovery program. I’m not sure if they’re still trying to get it through, but either way: launch mass of 2T and it has a spectrometer
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:10:22 UTC No. 16383812
new eager
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:20:00 UTC No. 16383815
https://youtu.be/2G60Y3ydtqY
COMMERCIAL SPACE BROS OUR RESPONSE???????
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:22:15 UTC No. 16383816
I still think that I somehow overslept the stream for the orbital launch that carried the only payload I ever participated in.
It was dumb.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:23:00 UTC No. 16383818
>>16383815
Starship stations idc if NASA didn’t like SpaceX’s CLD proposal—if it’s good enough for long duration stays in Lunar NRHO orbit, the Lunar surface, and the Martian surface, then it’s good enough for LEO with some sort of expanded life support module, an additional structural truss for external experiments, and a docking port
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:25:02 UTC No. 16383820
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:33:49 UTC No. 16383828
>>16383820
so basically commercial space stations require crewed Starship to work, too expensive with dragon
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:35:46 UTC No. 16383830
>>16383828
More like CLD was a failure because NASA wanted a bunch of hyperautistic things that nobody wanted to do, but NASA wanted minimal control and cost and risk. They were just looking for someone to redo the ISS but not one of the bids offered that
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:38:50 UTC No. 16383834
ISS 2 will be a NASA-ISRO station. But most american LEO activities will be in free flying Starships.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:40:15 UTC No. 16383835
>>16383828
No it won't work at all.
You can't cram 50 people from a starship into a starlab sized station but the starlab sized station is also the only economically sized station. not only that there is the issue of starship being oversized just like it is for gateway to the point where the station cannot maintain attitude while starship is docked.
It's all a mess. we really need the crew transport costs to go down but that requires an oversized ship which is too big to fit the small station sizes needed for early adoption so we need a bigger station which is more expensive to launch etc..
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:44:10 UTC No. 16383838
>>16383179
There are materials that can't be made on Earth because convective processes dominate the resulting crystal formation, if not causing outright defects. Meteoric iron is an example of material that can't be produced on Earth under any circumstance, and people haven't even begun to have a chance to find out what else might be possible.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:45:08 UTC No. 16383839
>>16383834
Please no I don’t want a future where ISRO is our new main partner, a la Roscosmos. Please no.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:46:41 UTC No. 16383840
>>16383839
why can't canada develop an indigenous launch industry and be our partner in space?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:47:43 UTC No. 16383842
>>16383495
It has not. Mars dust is not charged.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:53:35 UTC No. 16383847
>>16383839
Too bad saar
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:00:38 UTC No. 16383849
>>16383840
Because they're dumb enough to waste $2 billion canuckbucks trying to build a starlink competitor. The only thing they've ever contributed to spaceflight have been a few robotic arms, and I'm pretty sure even JPL could have built those for less.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:03:02 UTC No. 16383850
>>16383840
too many NIMBYs and funding going into bad ideas
The last company that comes to mind was trying balloon launch <100kg payloads but got shut down/went bankrupt due to noise complaints stopping engine tests.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:09:41 UTC No. 16383853
>>16383835
I've always been of the option that a reusable crew transport vehicle that's designed to replace Falcon 9's second stage is too good an idea to pass up.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:22:48 UTC No. 16383860
>>16383853
Impossible. Not because it's impossible, but because it's impossible that spaceX would ever do that. They are too focused on making starship a success. they aren't going to design anything new for F9.
>>16383838
He addressed that in the video. "There is no killer App"
Which I agree with.
The only things people ever talk about for in space manufacturing is slightly better fiber optic cables and some medicine shit, neither of which justify high launch and infrastructure costs.
There really does need to be a broadly applicable new material that has excellent properties or at least an absolute boatload of new things with more narrow applications but are really good at those narrow applications. Without that I don't see in space manufacturing being a valid business model any time soon. Seems like space tourism and government research are the only real market at current launch prices.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:24:51 UTC No. 16383862
>>16383775
>LEO-equivalent orbits would be fine -- nothing small can stay there long due to drag
idk the lower orbits would be polluted by infall from the ring so the xenoastronauts might not risk it
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:26:28 UTC No. 16383863
Geological detritus with a Krumbein phi scale of -2 to -6, possessing an inordinate degree of intelligence.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:31:30 UTC No. 16383865
>>16383863
heheh sentient silicon
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:33:37 UTC No. 16383867
>Star Cops is set in the year 2027—some 40 years into the future at time of broadcast—a time in which space travel has become common and mankind is in the process of exploiting and colonising the Solar System. There are five permanently occupied space stations orbiting the Earth and there are bases on the Moon and Mars. Approximately 3,000 people are living and working in space.[3] This near future setting was influenced by the potential for greater access to space promised by the burgeoning Space Shuttle programme and by the militarisation of space through the US Government's Strategic Defense Initiative programme (also known as "Star Wars") both of which were underway in the early 1980s.[4] Accordingly, space travel and life in space is portrayed in a realistic manner with depictions of weightlessness and low gravity environments and lengthy space journeys (months or years in cases of interplanetary travel)[3] as well as hazards such as spacesuit failures,[5] radiation exposure[6] and explosive decompression.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sta
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:33:56 UTC No. 16383868
>>16383838
>Meteoric iron is an example of material that can't be produced on Earth under any circumstance
Now you're just being gay. Take your gay space magic and go watch TV or something.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:33:56 UTC No. 16383869
>>16383863
>>16383865
>be dirt
>wake up
>"fuck"
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:35:25 UTC No. 16383870
>>16383860
>The only things people ever talk about for in space manufacturing is slightly better fiber optic cables and some medicine shit, neither of which justify high launch and infrastructure costs.
Good thing Starship is looking to make things cheap. I don't get why people think these same old arguments about why space is impossible or uneconomical or irrelevant are all coming out of the woodwork again. If people are new, I guess that's an acceptable reason, but if you've been watching the movement in the space sector for the last five years, it comes across as FUD.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:36:14 UTC No. 16383871
>>16383869
>"Oh no, not again."
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:37:06 UTC No. 16383874
>>16383868
>Oh no, this is actually true
>Better ad-hominem the guy so I don't have to lose this internet argument
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:37:31 UTC No. 16383875
>>16383868
How are you going to make meteoric iron on Earth? The world's tallest shot tower wouldn't be nearly big enough, you need to cool the molten metal very slowly to form those big crystals.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:39:16 UTC No. 16383878
>>16383860
SpaceX wouldn't, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Starship isn't going to be moving crew to and from orbit for a good long while, and an interim fully reusable crew system would absolutely find a market.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:39:42 UTC No. 16383880
>>16383870
oldfags know space mining is an unrealistic market. It’s the simple truth, I don’t know what else to tell you. It has nothing to do with being a doomer or being a Tory Bruno-tier hater who plugs his ears and refuses to believe in leaps like booster reuse. It isn’t, profitable. Period
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:41:19 UTC No. 16383881
Fact: The best thing to manufacture in space is space ships.
Gravity wells are for fags
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:41:21 UTC No. 16383882
>>16383880
>Space mining
Nobody except detractors are currently bringing up space mining.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:43:21 UTC No. 16383884
>>16383882
You’re right now I’m the idiot ACK. I was literally thinking some other bimbo was a retard for bringing up manufacturing when I was arguing against mining & processing earlier this morning.
Embarrassing, sorry for the shit reading comprehension on my part
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:47:42 UTC No. 16383888
>>16383881
Wrong
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:48:44 UTC No. 16383890
>>16383884
That's alright, we're all idiots sometimes.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:48:46 UTC No. 16383891
>>16383888
What is better to manufacture in space than space ships?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:49:19 UTC No. 16383892
>>16383891
Space STATIONS anon.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:49:22 UTC No. 16383893
>>16383878
If you start designing it now, by the time you have an operational vehicle, starship will already be flying crew. It takes years to fully develop one of these things, sometimes a decade or more.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:49:52 UTC No. 16383894
>>16383892
>space ship except it doesn't go anywhere
GAY AF
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:50:10 UTC No. 16383895
>>16383891
regular ships
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:50:58 UTC No. 16383896
>>16383895
ships for space are better than ships for water
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:52:22 UTC No. 16383898
If metallic hydrogen really was metastable like people like to suggest, wouldn’t we have likely already found some sort of spectral evidence of it in our campaign to catalog exoplanets?
It’s not unheard of to think of the cores of protoplanets being exposed (i.e. Psyche, though I believe this is now argued against)
But regardless—it’s not crazy to think of a hypothetical planetesimal or planet that gets impacted and whose core is exposed, right? Well what about a Jupiter-sized planet whose orbit falls too close to the sun and whose atmosphere gets stripped? And all that is left is the solid metallic hydrogen layer after the gas is flayed away
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:56:23 UTC No. 16383901
What would you guys do of I...bought you ALL tickets to the MOON?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:59:51 UTC No. 16383906
>>16383901
I'd bring enough edibles for everyone to have some
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:01:00 UTC No. 16383911
>>16383898
How could the core of a planet be exposed without perturbing the core out of it's metastable state?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:08:30 UTC No. 16383917
>>16383898
>>16383911
Metallic hydrogen does not seem to have metastability. Some guys a few years back thought they managed to actually make the stuff based on its conductive state, but it immediately reverted when the pressure was removed.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:09:12 UTC No. 16383918
>>16383911
Metallic hydrogen in huge gas giants aren’t the core in this case, it’s actually more analogous to the mantle. And that’s what metastability is. For example, when carbon is brought to the surface of the earth via volcanic kimberlites the intense pressure change keeps it in a metastable crystallographic form. Stripping the atmosphere/liquid “crust” (analogy here) off of a gas giant as it makes a few dozen or hundred passes into a star before being ejected (or settling in a super low orbit or whatever) could possibly be a rapid enough change to keep that hydrogen in a semi-stable energetic state where the conversion back to Hydrogen V or metallic fluid
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:09:34 UTC No. 16383919
>>16383901
comfy pajama party in starship's crew cabins, discussing nuclear vs. solar while eating astronaut ice cream
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:10:39 UTC No. 16383921
>>16383918
*where the conversion is negligible
forgot to finish that last sentence
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:12:35 UTC No. 16383923
>>16383906
i would bring mushrooms, but not sure if that's a good idea
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:13:13 UTC No. 16383924
>>16383918
things which are metastable are stable so long as they aren't perturbed. If you could magic away everything above the metastable hydrogen then maybe it would stay this way, but any sort of violent ripping up of the planet would probably disturb the metallic hydrogen too much and cause it to all get fucked up
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:13:43 UTC No. 16383925
>>16383919
Astronaut ice cream IS NOT REAL. This is the Berenstain universe
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:13:50 UTC No. 16383926
>>16383917
Is there anything you could mix in that would make it metastable? Say 1% lithium or whatever
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:14:24 UTC No. 16383928
>>16383926
Not my wheelhouse, I'm afraid.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:20:37 UTC No. 16383932
>>16383926
now we’re dealing with a complicated phase diagrams, shit that makes even seasoned material scientists roll their eyes with annoyance kek
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:27:35 UTC No. 16383935
>>16383522
indoor "work" clothes should be a jumpsuit with elastic cuffs that when secured to boots and gloves and a helmet in an emergency allow temporary survival in a low pressure environment
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:31:41 UTC No. 16383936
>>16383481
this dude gets it
most of the retards ITT don't understand aerodynamics at all
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:34:07 UTC No. 16383939
>>16383935
Colonial dress code will be flight suits
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:36:42 UTC No. 16383941
>>16383679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSb
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:44:22 UTC No. 16383949
>>16383522
we will have boring, low-saturation, monochromes suits like in an Orwellian novel, and you WILL like it
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:57:50 UTC No. 16383955
>>16383953
list redeeming qualities of Orion
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:58:40 UTC No. 16383956
>>16383936
he said the most basic thing and you're getting all gushy about it?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:59:29 UTC No. 16383959
https://youtu.be/2G60Y3ydtqY
EAGER SPACE
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:00:37 UTC No. 16383961
>>16383939
>mfw
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:01:05 UTC No. 16383963
>>16383959
>>16383815
stop shilling your channel
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:03:37 UTC No. 16383965
>>16383949
most of the people that post on /sfg/ would love it if they could just reach in their closet with their eyes closed, pull out one of like 3 jumpsuits, and put it on and fit in with everybody else
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:03:53 UTC No. 16383966
>>16383955
went beyond the moon further than apollo, has a toilet, has solar panels.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:08:05 UTC No. 16383967
>>16383966
>has a toilet
valid
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:09:24 UTC No. 16383971
>>16383815
>>16383812
sorry chuds i can't watch him anymore since PressureFedSIGMA called him a larper
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:10:23 UTC No. 16383972
>>16383968
In hindsight this wasn’t even “test pilot badass,” it was fucking crazy and dangerous lol
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:11:55 UTC No. 16383973
>>16383968
imagine the smell
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:16:36 UTC No. 16383975
>>16383728
good, they should work on better stuff
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:18:09 UTC No. 16383976
>>16383932
Yeah that's why I wondered. Adding small amounts of whatever can change bulk properties
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:21:31 UTC No. 16383979
>>16383972
They should have aborted on ascent and strangled shittle in its crib
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:22:39 UTC No. 16383980
>>16383968
what would they have done if it failed lol
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:23:36 UTC No. 16383981
>wake up
>check news
>spacex is being fined in brazil because elon owns twitter
>the usual crowd is celebrating
whats going to happen next?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:23:54 UTC No. 16383982
>>16383980
pre-prepared POTUS speech about muh space is hard, they were brave, etc
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:25:40 UTC No. 16383985
>>16383981
SX launched their satellites, Starship will go gobble them up and return to sender
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:29:27 UTC No. 16383986
>>16383982
John Young would have made it back and spilled the beans on what a piece of shit the STS was.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:37:38 UTC No. 16383993
>>16383981
dropping roggs on Rio and Brasilia
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:37:44 UTC No. 16383994
>>16382679
We need to send Steve up there.
>Allright, lets open those bite-sized treats while the rehydrator does its thing
>Absolutely decadent
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:40:26 UTC No. 16384000
>>16383993
sooon brother, trust the plan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:57:27 UTC No. 16384014
>>16383994
>We need to send Steve up there
I don't know why no one has ever thought of this. He can fit an entire spin station in his inventory
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:59:37 UTC No. 16384017
>>16384014
More like gay station
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:20:03 UTC No. 16384027
Imagine going to space but being delegated to the shuttle middeck launch seats with no window
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:22:53 UTC No. 16384030
>>16384027
better than Starliner
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:32:15 UTC No. 16384032
>>16384027
Orion’s quad launch configuration is similar. I don’t think the two lower seats offer any views lol
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:34:35 UTC No. 16384034
Starshit HLS won’t even have a pilot control panel. Just packed in like sardines, hoping that auto abort doesn’t trigger or mess up.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:40:54 UTC No. 16384037
>>16384036
Men will literally come up with an entire outlandish hypothesis and try to connect the pepe silvia dots just because they thought of a name for a hypothetical astronomical object and want an excuse to name it
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:44:13 UTC No. 16384040
>>16384036
sounds like bs. where did the moon go? why doesnt earth with its much bigger moon have this?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:45:52 UTC No. 16384042
>>16384040
ancient earthers stole it
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:47:06 UTC No. 16384043
>>16384042
why didnt they make mars a second earth moon?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:47:19 UTC No. 16384044
>>16384040
a wizard did it
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:48:53 UTC No. 16384047
>>16384036
I reiterate my idea of stealing Earth's moon and placing it around Mars. The urfers can have Phobos and Deimos, they are useless anyways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qre
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:50:22 UTC No. 16384051
>>16384047
>The urfers can have Phobos and Deimos
One for the Atlantic, one for the Pacific
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:36 UTC No. 16384056
>>16384051
based
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:59:45 UTC No. 16384061
>>16384051
I wonder if sfg will be put on a watch list when planetary terrorism is actually possible.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:01:09 UTC No. 16384063
>>16384036
that's retarded
everyone knows the entire reason Mars got so fucked up was because a very long time ago it collided with or came into the close vicinity of the gravity anomaly 5 to 10 times the mass of the Earth that is on a highly elongeted orbit beyond Pluto and only comes through the neighborhood every 10,000 years or so
we used to call it Planet X or "Nibiru" before it's existence was confirmed
it could be a dead star that was once the other half of a binary system
most solar systems are binary, but ours isn't
basically the difference between those charged bodies when brought into contact or close proximity created an enormous electrical discharge that blasted Valles Marineris into the Martian surface and vaporized it's atmosphere
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:03:10 UTC No. 16384064
>>16384061
Yes, at least I will be, because I love mars like a fanatical maniac. I will not apologize. They can lock me up, I shall escape. I am bound only by mars’ gravity well
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:04:11 UTC No. 16384065
>>16384063
Were you there?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:06:38 UTC No. 16384067
>>16384063
>5 to 10 times the mass of the Earth
>it could be a dead star
>10,000 year orbit
>Valles Marineris was carved out by static electricity
I never really got just how brain dead Planet X enthusiasts are until this post
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:15:06 UTC No. 16384075
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy
These comments are unhinged.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:16:45 UTC No. 16384077
>>16384075
ars commenters? unhinged? I never!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:17:41 UTC No. 16384079
>>16384075
Keep me posted.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:19:50 UTC No. 16384080
>>16384075
we need an unhinged alternative to ars
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:20:38 UTC No. 16384081
>>16384075
Why is borger still in that awful site?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:24:07 UTC No. 16384086
>>16384077
>>16384079
>>16384080
>>16384081
Maybe it's due to it being in the tech-policy section but the EDS in Eric's articles never seemed this bad. It's apparently fine that the other SpaceX investors had their assets seized because Xitter man said mean things on the internet. Of course the US State dept is completely asleep at the wheel or preoccupied with harassing Japan about their problematic chinese cartoons again to be of any help.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:29:20 UTC No. 16384090
>>16384084
NG is arguably the model citizen of large, bloated oldspace defense contractors. I cite the B21 program and the relatively trouble free history of Cygnus as evidence. Compare to KC-46 and Starliner.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:35:59 UTC No. 16384098
>>16384067
Once you notice the obvious similarities of the pitting and gouging you see on Mars to electrical scarring you can't unsee it.
>NOOOOOO
>HIGHLY ELLIPTICAL ORBITS ARE IMPOSSIBLE
now who's retarded
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:39:34 UTC No. 16384103
>>16384080
4ASS Journal of Misapplied Astronautics
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:57:39 UTC No. 16384114
>>16383898
What kind of ISP could you get from a monoprop alloy of metastable metallic hydrogen and metastable metallic oxygen?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:02:21 UTC No. 16384117
>>16384090
NG is also partnering with Firefly for MLV.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:08:35 UTC No. 16384123
>>16384114
I'll go check. I have some in my freezer.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:14:43 UTC No. 16384127
>>16384098
>doesn't know about the martian thermonuclear war
embarrassing
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:16:35 UTC No. 16384129
>>16384114
wouldn't it just by hydrologgs ISP but denser?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:18:04 UTC No. 16384130
>>16384086
>Of course the US State dept is completely asleep at the wheel or preoccupied
I really hope you don't legitimately think the State Department turning a blind eye is an accident.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:22:02 UTC No. 16384133
>>16384114
hydrogen metal destabilized with laser zaps gets ~1700s by some estimates
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:22:25 UTC No. 16384134
>>16384129
no, I think the phase change releases more energy than the chemical reaction
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:25:53 UTC No. 16384139
>>16384080
spacenews?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:36:17 UTC No. 16384148
>>16384139
nobody reads spacenews aside from a few enthusiasts
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:42:19 UTC No. 16384154
Spaceflight operations and government/private industry launch and vehicle development should be mostly removed from NASA's purview and placed with the Space Force.
NASA's mission should be payload development and space research, like a space-focused DARPA that also makes probes and releases all its findings publicly (as they currently do). NASA should be testing weird planes and propulsion and sensor instruments and peripheral human spaceflight stuff. They should not be continually balancing that stuff against procurement and management of launch systems. So many cool projects die for the sake of funneling more money into Boing & Co.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:43:07 UTC No. 16384155
>>16384133
Hydrogen metal gets destabilized by thinking too hard in its direction.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:44:26 UTC No. 16384158
>>16384014
Not that Steve. The Florida one. With a digestive tract of steel.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:46:27 UTC No. 16384160
>>16383865
>literate limestone
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:55:13 UTC No. 16384166
>>16384163
at this time of year?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:58:06 UTC No. 16384167
>>16384163
I see some red in the sky tonight
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:58:22 UTC No. 16384168
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:11:08 UTC No. 16384175
>>16384163
What time?
Where can I learn more?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:11:27 UTC No. 16384176
>>16384155
perfect for Boeing then
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:11:50 UTC No. 16384178
Bros I need ideas for a space themed Halloween costume that isn't a spacesuit because that's way too goddamn hard and my autism wouldn't let me wear it until every strap and vent was perfect
Bonus points if it's something easily wearable for an office setting (i.e. I can sit down with it without it falling apart)
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:12:33 UTC No. 16384179
>>16384163
Dammit I can barely see the moon tonight. Fucking Seattle.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:14:45 UTC No. 16384182
>>16384175
The best forecast I'm hearing is "look now, and if you don't see anything maybe try a little later." I'm just seeing what aurora-related tweets pop up on twitter. It looks like it's all over the place but that's no guarantee of consistency
>>16384179
The moon really is fucking things up
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:15:48 UTC No. 16384183
>Caltech researchers have found mathematical evidence suggesting there may be a "Planet X" deep in the solar system. This hypothetical Neptune-sized planet orbits our Sun in a highly elongated orbit far beyond Pluto. The object, which the researchers have nicknamed "Planet Nine," could have a mass about 10 times that of Earth and orbit about 20 times farther from the Sun on average than Neptune. It may take between 10,000 and 20,000 Earth years to make one full orbit around the Sun.
- NASA
>>16384127
even if we put all our nukes in one spot and set them off we couldn't wipe the entire northern hemisphere clean down deep into the crust like you see on Mars, or carve a massive chasm like Valles Marineris
you need to invoke celestial forces to explain these features
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:16:09 UTC No. 16384184
>>16384178
You must be 18 or older to use this site
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:17:25 UTC No. 16384186
>>16383093
>the only aft-facing thrusters are right next to the docking port
You're gonna toast anything you try to dock with
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:18:04 UTC No. 16384187
>>16384178
Dress up as hayabusa kun
>>16384183
Planet nine doesn't exist. YouTube Ukrainian told me it was a star flyby that done messed up that there solar system
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:23:38 UTC No. 16384193
>>16384178
Wear a toga and laurel crown and carry a model Saturn V.
>look, I'm Apollo!
That or a short sleeved white button down, a skinny black tie, and a bubble pipe.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:26:44 UTC No. 16384195
>>16384178
Space Ghost
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:27:09 UTC No. 16384196
>>16384175
There's sightings as far south as New Mexico and Mississippi so if your local conditions are good you should try to take a look
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:27:46 UTC No. 16384198
>>16384196
What time? Right now tm or soon tm?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:29:23 UTC No. 16384199
>>16384198
Right now.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:29:59 UTC No. 16384201
>>16384199
I don't see shit.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:33:19 UTC No. 16384203
>>16384195
Beefaronie
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:33:22 UTC No. 16384204
>>16384201
I was only able to see anything if I didn't look at it directly, and it was too faint to show actual color
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:12:43 UTC No. 16384225
>>16384183
Is that Caltech finding recent? There have been several such supposed mathematical findings claiming kuiper belt orbits are evidence of Planet X and the answer is always two more weeks of synoptic surveys.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:12:58 UTC No. 16384226
>>16384178
You're going to get all the bitches. Trust me.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:25:58 UTC No. 16384235
>>16384178
>Sad_SLS_costume_dance.jpg
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:33:23 UTC No. 16384241
>>16384178
Go as Elon
>Black tshirt
>Pillow stuffed under
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:41:27 UTC No. 16384247
>>16384178
chinese villager bleeding from their orifices from hypergolics exposure
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:42:30 UTC No. 16384248
>>16384075
The writer shapes the tone of the comments. Their tech writers has Musk and everything Musk related. They even try to cover space stuff that Burger wont touch to put a negative spin on it. And the writers hate Tesla, FSD, Autopilot, Boring Company, xAI, everything Musk related.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:42:39 UTC No. 16384249
>>16384178
gene kranz/mission director dress code
>white button up shirt
>black tie
>dark pants with black belt
>white vest with a mission patch stitched on
>plantronics MS50 or T30-1 headset
>pocket protector with pens
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:45:42 UTC No. 16384250
>>16384178
Krystal Fursuit
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:47:35 UTC No. 16384251
>>16384250
maybe if he's made of money
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:48:59 UTC No. 16384252
>>16384250
Kys hawaiian furnigger
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:58:17 UTC No. 16384256
>>16384250
im gooning im gooning im gooining
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:12:58 UTC No. 16384259
>>16384178
MCRN? its boring but wearable plus someone might recognize it too.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:20:40 UTC No. 16384263
shut the fuck up retards it's not even october yet
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:30:56 UTC No. 16384268
>>16384263
Shit your pants immediatly
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:40:54 UTC No. 16384270
>>16384225
It's mad old at this point.
But if they did get a positive ID on such a monster, there's no way they would let the normies know.
You can't just let the Nibiru psychic vampire Annunaki reptilian people win after all these years posting grainy videos of shapeshifters on the evening news, that would be embarassing.
I remember that 5-10 times the mass of Earth bit by rote now, but a couple years back I read something about revised estimates that are even larger.
20 times IIRC, just keeps going up. Cause the perturbations in Pluto's orbit suggest the object has to be even more massive than originally predicted.
These numbers are probably conservative rather than representing the possible upper bounds.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:45:39 UTC No. 16384272
>>16384225
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/
The quote he's using. Two more years.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:51:36 UTC No. 16384276
>>16384272
Latest search rules out 78% of the search space.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:11:22 UTC No. 16384283
>>16384281
Trumo has changed his hairstyle to look more squared off and presidential and less silly so gradually that I didn't even notice until now
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:13:02 UTC No. 16384285
>>16382899
how probable is that the simply modernized T3?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:19:12 UTC No. 16384289
>>16384263
it is in auatrlaia numbnuts. southern hemisphere
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:23:41 UTC No. 16384294
Does Felon Muskrat write the SpaceX website update posts? They seem very informal, especially the recent FAAggot curbstomp.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:28:27 UTC No. 16384298
>>16384276
>we continue to regard Planet Nine as the most likely hypothesis
>Planet Nine could be more massive and more distant, potentially making it much fainter and harder to find
they definitely found it but are keeping quiet
wish I had the chops to understand how they processed all that imaging data
>primordial black hole
that is literally the dumbest shit I've ever heard
how the fuck does anyone take it seriously
>condensed dark matter
>Dark Energy Survey (DES)
pffffffff
ahahahahaha
no
dark matter and energy are the biggest scam in cosmology bar none
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:49:46 UTC No. 16384309
>hardcover version of eric "war criminal" berger's book isn't out til the 22nd of october locally
it's over. I thought I'd be getting to read it next week when the digital versions release
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:55:43 UTC No. 16384312
>>16384178
Space Force uniform
It looks like a costume already
Double breasted blue jacket (cowboy outfit may have this), remove one row of buttons
Fold air force cap out of thick blue paper, grey pants, and stick a space force logo on the left chest.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:01:11 UTC No. 16384315
>>16384075
Most people are completely uninformed about the Brazilian situation and are proudly displaying their ignorance. They're just happy Musk is getting fined (not fined; the judge actually froze assets and confiscated them, which is about as brazen as you can possibly get as a judge). If they bothered to take even a five second look at the political circus going on down in Brazil they would be a lot less inclined to cheer it on. Here's hoping Musk finds something better to do than shitpost about political violence and pick fights with people who have the power to unilaterally shut his businesses down in their country.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:02:52 UTC No. 16384317
>>16384315
I expect this to end with Moraes going into prison
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:06:08 UTC No. 16384321
>>16384317
Or dying in a shootout with police
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:14:18 UTC No. 16384324
2.2 months left
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:22:38 UTC No. 16384328
>>16384298
>more massive and more distant
Boring
I wanted a terrestrial planet or a super earth
It's going to be yet another fag ice giant
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:36:52 UTC No. 16384337
>>16384324
indeed
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:47:05 UTC No. 16384348
>>16384276
A pair of 1.8m telescopes may not be up to this task.
>>16384298
>make the biggest discovery about the solar system in a over a century
>say nothing
Yeah ok. I agree the alternatives are even more retarded however.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:51:40 UTC No. 16384356
>>16384290
Time to slow down SpaceX. RIght?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:53:27 UTC No. 16384359
>>16384315
Most people are informed about Musk. However most of the commies hang on to what the propaganda tells them to be informed about. That Musk is evil. That censorship is good. That civil disobedience is bad. That authoritarianism is good. Etc.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:53:54 UTC No. 16384360
The aerospace Forces conducted a successful launch of the Angara-1.2 from the Plesetsk cosmodrome
At 10:00 a.m. from the State Test Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Plesetsk Cosmodrome) in the Arkhangelsk region, the crew of the Aerospace Forces successfully launched the Angara-1.2 light class launch vehicle with spacecraft in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
Russian Ministry of Defense
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:56:39 UTC No. 16384366
>>16384348
Yeah, the whole groundbreaking scientific discoveries being kept secret regularly for decades thing is a real buzzkill.
They have their reasons though.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:57:39 UTC No. 16384370
>>16384366
>They have their reasons though.
yeah its called a nobel prize
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:04:22 UTC No. 16384379
>>16384090
That's because NG have to remain semi-competitive in order to maintain their market position. Boeing has the best lawyers and lobbyists on the planet, Lockheed remains unchallenged due to being seen as the safe pick (even if they are the most expensive), and so NG has to actually do things in order to justify their seat at the table.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:12:54 UTC No. 16384388
>>16384370
dude that's a side show
they had those things out to basically anyone nowadays
>"for the invention of efficient blue light-emitting diodes which has enabled bright and energy-saving white light sources"
oh wow thanks, we sure needed the kind of light that uniquely causes genetic damage to your mitochondria and apoptosis on exposure
so "energy efficient"
>"for decisive contributions to the LIGO detector and the observation of gravitational waves"
cool I guess
>"for theoretical discoveries in physical cosmology"
cosmology is a joke
Krauss and Kaku getting memed by geocentrist documentary film makers tier at best
the nutty breakthroughs are mostly still confidential because knowledge is dangerous
what the public is allowed to know is really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to certain subjects
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:13:59 UTC No. 16384391
>>16384388
80 iq post
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:15:51 UTC No. 16384395
>>16383106
Lol dude get real. He has an empty rocket that can explode according to the plan. There are no plans how to fit humans and supplies for a trip to Mars in there. No plans for how a colony would work and what it would need. No plans how to survive radiation and lack of gravity. Should I go on?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:20:25 UTC No. 16384400
>>16384391
turn on the blue light filter, you will thank me when your sleep cycle improves
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:20:26 UTC No. 16384401
>>16384395
>Should I go on?
No, you've proven yourself retarded with
>radiation and lack of gravity
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:13:17 UTC No. 16384447
>>16384178
>office setting
Don't do it anon, you need to suppress your power level, I believe in you
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:32:49 UTC No. 16384462
>>16383971
When did he do that?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:32:54 UTC No. 16384463
>>16384178
Here is something you can wear in an office setting.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:37:07 UTC No. 16384470
>>16384281
We are so back
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:06:07 UTC No. 16384483
Can Mars axial tilt really reach 60 degrees? Different sources I'm reading disagree
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:07:57 UTC No. 16384486
>>16384483
Not anytime soon enough for it to matter. It’s extrapolated to be over hundreds of thousands to millions of years based on what we know about the internal structure of Mars and its current orbital characteristics. We could use a lot more seismographic measurements and refinements
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:08:29 UTC No. 16384487
why havent we seen more space companies opening up shop in brownsville? there's a ton of talent there now.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:10:27 UTC No. 16384489
>>16384487
its a shithole
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:12:21 UTC No. 16384494
>>16384491
Woah.... can you even imagine...
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:12:51 UTC No. 16384495
>>16384487
Houston is more of the aerospace hub you’re thinking of. Why set up shop next to one private company with a private cosmodrome?
HTX is where Johnson is, where the grant money and contract money is coming from, where your resources as a small aerospace business are located.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:13:49 UTC No. 16384496
>>16384487
Space is real but Brownsville is fake
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:16:52 UTC No. 16384499
>>16384487
Not a company, but they had the Stargate, but it has since been absorbed into Starbase as it continued growing.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:33:26 UTC No. 16384517
>>16384285
very probable
Russia just launched an Angara 1.2 space trolley with a couple of experimental military satellites.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:35:29 UTC No. 16384518
I don’t know if needing to go to NRHO will cost a lot more dV, but 6 years ago Musk claimed a refilling in high earth orbit could get you to the lunar surface with enough fuel left over to return to HEO. Pretty crazy unironically, this could enable a Dragon/SS architecture.
https://youtu.be/tdUX3ypDVwI
~31 mins in
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:43:59 UTC No. 16384520
>>16384518
Wouldn't radiation from the belts be a concern at those orbital altitudes?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:47:54 UTC No. 16384524
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:51:22 UTC No. 16384528
>>16384289
It's October in Australia? Quite the timezone you got there. Next you'll tell me it's winter too and the govt banned seasons for causing climate change and the sun rises in the west? Koombooloomba? Toowoomba? Woolgoolga? Fake country, fake hemisphere.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:52:45 UTC No. 16384530
>>16384517
The space trolley problem
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:58:53 UTC No. 16384538
>>16384487
It's aptly named. Also if you're doing anything involving humans Houston is where everything is.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:13:06 UTC No. 16384543
>>16384315
They would cheer for Pol Pot if they heard he was taking a stand against Musk.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:37:19 UTC No. 16384566
>>16384559
Is this a japan only thing?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:40:50 UTC No. 16384571
>>16384183
>invoke celestial forces
Oh no, it's an electric universe schizo
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:43:21 UTC No. 16384575
>>16384566
Yes. American Artemis /v/tuber would be black and trans to meet DEI requirements.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:49:43 UTC No. 16384583
>>16384559
We need some r34 of her and starliner-chan
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:50:11 UTC No. 16384584
>>16384559
Heres a link to her youtube
https://www.youtube.com/@ArtemisIch
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:53:19 UTC No. 16384587
>>16383840
You want natives launching rockets?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:00:17 UTC No. 16384590
>>16384587
Natives have the BEST fireworks. I'm not Canadian, but here in the states, the feather indian reservations are sort-of self governed, which leads to mass degeneracy like domestic abuse, drug abuse, casinos, unemployment (because welfare checks 4eva) and my favorite, FIREWORKS. Even if its illegal as fuck in your state, le happy merchant injun will be glad to sell you rockets that would be super illegal anywhere else.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:02:03 UTC No. 16384592
>>16384559
Is she only going to stream once every 24 months?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:04:16 UTC No. 16384593
>>16384592
kek
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:08:21 UTC No. 16384595
>>16384583
Well, anon, it's your chance to conquer this unexplored market.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:09:27 UTC No. 16384596
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1
new launch mount may be portable (meaning able to be moved for refurbishment and changed out, not self propelled with wheels)
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:10:39 UTC No. 16384598
Who is making the best Starbase updates nowadays, Labpadre?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:10:58 UTC No. 16384599
>>16384312
>>16384290
They really really need to get rid of the god damn ties and shirt collars, it looks dumb as fuck with the jacket. Either use a decent standing collar on the shirt or have the collar on the jacket go all the way round, similar to the pre-WW1 US Army officer's uniforms (look up photos of General Pershing for reference)
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:11:59 UTC No. 16384600
>>16384598
I watch both NSF and labpadre, you can mute the voiceover on the NSF updates now
NSF tends to be like 5 days late when they come out (so like 12-5 days before)
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:12:55 UTC No. 16384602
>>16384599
>or have the collar on the jacket go all the way round
That's called a mandarin collar.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:13:01 UTC No. 16384603
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:13:39 UTC No. 16384604
>>16384602
>>16384603
Looks amazing
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:14:02 UTC No. 16384605
>>16384600
i mean labpadre tends to be
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:15:07 UTC No. 16384608
>>16384604
looks fine, but its great compared to the current one
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:15:23 UTC No. 16384610
>>16384602
>mandarin collar
Thanks anon, the name was on the tip of my tongue and I couldn't recall it.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:16:38 UTC No. 16384613
>>16384611
that isn't going anywhere
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:20:15 UTC No. 16384619
>>16384611
>The British government has decided to continue getting scammed
ftfy
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:27:09 UTC No. 16384625
>>16384611
KSP had them years before Britain, yawn
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:28:53 UTC No. 16384628
>>16383935
>experience loss of pressure
>go to find your helmet
>pass out and die
I think it needs some improvement
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:33:00 UTC No. 16384630
>>16384061
Why wait?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:35:50 UTC No. 16384632
>>16384168
>>16384166
well posted
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:36:45 UTC No. 16384633
>2 weeks turned into 2 months
Which circle of hell are we in?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:38:23 UTC No. 16384635
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:40:46 UTC No. 16384636
>>16384599
Turtleneck like Captain Kirk
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:43:20 UTC No. 16384639
>>16384611
>SSTO spaceplane
Someone please explain to me why money continues to be thrown at either of these concepts
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:44:11 UTC No. 16384641
>>16384575
>in contrast to this one an American Artemis /v/tuber would be trans
>implying implications
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:44:41 UTC No. 16384642
>>16384636
No.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:44:56 UTC No. 16384643
>>16384298
>they definitely found it but are keeping quiet
Pretty sure the response and papers mean the exact opposite.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:45:15 UTC No. 16384644
>>16384613
The hypersonic missile applications keep it alive
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:46:02 UTC No. 16384645
>>16384611
>SSTO
Oh no, it's retarded.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:47:16 UTC No. 16384646
>>16384639
Because it shouldn’t be that difficult to achieve.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:47:40 UTC No. 16384647
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:49:57 UTC No. 16384648
with global warming taking over, full on long sleeve wool uniforms are no longer viable. we have to consider uniforms designed for 120 degree weather.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:53:56 UTC No. 16384652
>>16384646
With chemical Isps its barely possible with near zero cargo. You power it another way with >600 Isp (nuclear lightbulb, beamed energy, metastable helium etc.) and its practical
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:06:11 UTC No. 16384660
>>16384648
We don't live in Africa.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:08:08 UTC No. 16384661
>>16384647
https://x.com/rocket_EE_okada/statu
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:16:24 UTC No. 16384665
>>16384661
clear is so cute bros...
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:23:19 UTC No. 16384669
>>16384639
I think spaceplane is an ok form factor for a crew capsule.
Who cares if your space station taxi has a little too much dry weight? It’s worth it for the gentler reentry and convenient runway landing.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:23:54 UTC No. 16384670
>>16384646
Shouldn't how? Like philosophically? It is that difficult whether it "should" be or not. Throwing money at it for the last fifty years has resulted in nothing, less than nothing if you consider the shittle
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:40:05 UTC No. 16384679
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-pr
WASHINGTON — The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) proposes $633,009 in civil penalties against Space Exploration Technologies Corp (SpaceX) for allegedly failing to follow its license requirements during two launches in 2023, in accordance with statutorily-set civil penalty guidelines.
“Safety drives everything we do at the FAA, including a legal responsibility for the safety oversight of companies with commercial space transportation licenses,” said FAA Chief Counsel Marc Nichols. “Failure of a company to comply with the safety requirements will result in consequences.”
In May 2023, SpaceX submitted a request to revise its communications plan related to its license to launch from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The proposed revisions included adding a new launch control room at Hangar X and removing the T-2 hour readiness poll from its procedures. On June 18, 2023, SpaceX used the unapproved launch control room for the PSN SATRIA mission and did not conduct the required T-2 hour poll. The FAA is proposing $350,000 in civil penalties ($175,000 for each alleged violation).
In July 2023, SpaceX submitted a request to revise its explosive site plan related to its license to launch from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The proposed revision reflected a newly constructed rocket propellant farm. On July 28, 2023, SpaceX used the unapproved rocket propellant farm for the EchoStar XXIV/Jupiter mission. The FAA is proposing a $283,009 civil penalty.
SpaceX has 30 days to respond to the FAA after receiving the agency’s enforcement letters.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:42:37 UTC No. 16384681
>>16384679
why the fuck do they bring this up now all of a sudden?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:44:35 UTC No. 16384683
>>16384681
The dems must be thinking trump will win so they're trying to screw spacex over as much as possible before they're out.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:45:33 UTC No. 16384684
>>16384679
>suddenly FINES out of nowhere
the FAA is being weaponized by the biden-harris admin against their political enemies
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:52:14 UTC No. 16384692
>>16384679
>noooo you have to slow down1!!
>you didn’t slow down for us and it didn’t cause any problems? Fines!1!1!
total bureaucrat death
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:54:55 UTC No. 16384696
>>16384681
Continued lawfare, anything to stall SpaceX. We tried to warn you years ago this was going to happen, you said we were crazy.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:57:47 UTC No. 16384697
>>16384684
yes, the fines are so small anyway that the timing of this has to be deliberate and will coincide with with some other more general attack (SpaceX is too powerful and they are flaunting the law constantly, they have to be broken up etc)
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:00:33 UTC No. 16384698
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1dRKZdkB
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:01:30 UTC No. 16384700
>>16384697
the fines might be small but the fact that they happening helps create alot of negative press and public animosity towards spacex
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:12:55 UTC No. 16384706
>Former Space Shuttle Program Manager & Flight Director for 40 missions. Now retired from NASA after 32 years. Currently consults for SAS & a full time grandpa.
What did he mean by this?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:14:30 UTC No. 16384707
>>16384679
FAA delenda est
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:20:38 UTC No. 16384709
>>16384705
when i was working underground, only one person was allowed to dig at a time for safety reasons
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:25:13 UTC No. 16384714
>>16384679
"Pleasure doing business with you."
I like to think deliberately generating fines is the legal loophole Elon found to fund more FAA regulators.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:29:22 UTC No. 16384718
>>16384714
Use greentext you dumb redditor. Actually, just gb2r
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:29:30 UTC No. 16384719
>>16384700
SpaceX used to fight the govt in court, but now they need a high launch rate so instead have been settling. No point litigating if it means you are grounded for years
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:32:34 UTC No. 16384722
>>16384679
We asked for surrender 5 times. SpaceX should respond with a declaration of war.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:36:39 UTC No. 16384725
>>16384679
>deliberatly move too slow to approve change requests before mission launch date happens and SpaceX has to move forward
>issue fine
devilish
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:47:19 UTC No. 16384732
>>16383235
Anon, 9 tons to GTO is well above almost every other rocket.
That said without modification Falcon Heavy cannot lift more total mass than a Falcon 9 to LEO due to the structural limotations of their shared second stage. Falcon Heavy is a 'high energy' Falcon 9.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:51:58 UTC No. 16384735
>>16384679
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/
>(d)Administrative Imposition of Penalties.—
>(8)The maximum civil penalty the Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, or Board may impose under this subsection is—
>(A)$400,000 if the violation was committed by a person other than an individual or small business concern before the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024;
>(B)$50,000 if the violation was committed by an individual or small business concern before the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024;
>(C)$1,200,000 if the violation was committed by a person other than an individual or small business concern on or after the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024;
>or
>(D)$100,000 if the violation was committed by an individual on or after the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024.
See you in court.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:51:59 UTC No. 16384736
>drill large hole
>some coils of very conductive materials
>freeze it all down with liquid nitrogen or smth, idk
>attach nuclear power plant to it
>shoot stuff into orbit
Something like this would be so much nicer than using conventional rockets.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:53:38 UTC No. 16384740
>>16384528
What an awful thing to say
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:54:41 UTC No. 16384741
The federal government is too small and is unable to keep up with all the regulating it has to do.
It sounds silly, but it's the simplest position to take.These regulations have been in place for ages. Just because the private sector has grown massively in recent years, doesn't mean you should throw them all out. They're there for a reason.
Like if the number of waste water treatment plants doubled in the next 5 years, the solution wouldn't be to remove water quality standards. That'd be insane.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:55:42 UTC No. 16384743
>>16384725
The FAA should be restricted to a maximum wait time, and if the request is not approved/rejected within 30 days, SpaceX can launch anyway. Maybe that will speed things up
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:55:52 UTC No. 16384744
>>16384741
I'll kill you
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:56:51 UTC No. 16384746
>>16382658
>open europa clipper live stream
>hear a female
>close it
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:59:32 UTC No. 16384750
>>16384744
>no argument
If I have to share the same general as as you, I'll let you
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:59:53 UTC No. 16384751
>>16384741
>new wastewater treatment plants treat ten times the water to a higher quality standard
>fine them for not applying for a permit to move their offices closer to the plant
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:03:01 UTC No. 16384757
>>16383968
two motherfuckers did this from the launch complex in ksc. The body flap leaned too far and if they'd known they would've crippen through the hull on their ejection seats. I guess it fling them about a second away before they'd go through srb's exhaust.
They still used the same machine, but there's a huge void where the ejection rockets used to be.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:03:28 UTC No. 16384759
>>16384679
completely coincidentally, the SpaceX bid for the next government satellite launch increased by $633,000 (still far under ULA's bid using Vulcan)
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:03:47 UTC No. 16384760
>>16384735
Yes, but -- the fines are under the statutory limits. Each count is a seprate fine ala Trump in New York. The real fun starts the year when the limit triples.
And as always, thanks to the Republican Party for helping pass the enabling legislation.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:04:16 UTC No. 16384762
>>16384741
>too small
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:04:48 UTC No. 16384763
>>16384751
>the fine is a slap on the wrist
Seems alright to me. 700k is the perfect amount to remind a large corporation to dot its i's and cross its t's. The location of offices (control rooms) seems at least a little important for safety.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:05:34 UTC No. 16384764
>>16384760
The fines themselves are bogus and they can't hide behind Chevron v NRDC anymore.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:07:29 UTC No. 16384766
>>16384759
>the government shouldn't enforce the law on corporations because the corporations will just charge the government more
Call me old fashioned, but I think the law should enforced in all circumstances, regardless of that type of threat.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:10:22 UTC No. 16384768
>>16384761
Gb2r
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:10:35 UTC No. 16384769
>>16384761
Someone should tell these reddit chuds to cool it.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:12:23 UTC No. 16384771
>>16384761
>Sam_L_Bronkowitz
What?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:12:28 UTC No. 16384772
>>16384647
why can't you people ever meme? no originality.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:13:11 UTC No. 16384774
>>16384772
Who are "you people"?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:13:37 UTC No. 16384775
>>16384761
the sheer lack of self awareness from a *witz.. or maybe it's intentional?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:14:19 UTC No. 16384777
>>16384596
you know what that means :D
ALABAMA RIVER ROCKS!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:17:50 UTC No. 16384780
>>16384764
> Your Honor, these fines are totally bogus and gay.
Sx can agency appeal, then go to court. Otherwise, pay up. Compliance is not voluntary. Unless you're one favored by The Masters.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:18:27 UTC No. 16384783
>>16384725
They could've just used the old infrastructure until the new one was approved I assume. Really no use to invite stuff like this but it's funny that the fines happen now and not a year ago.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:19:05 UTC No. 16384785
>>16384763
You're trolling, but if location matters why is NASA's MC in TX when they launches are in FL? Why are control rooms even necessary for unmanned cargo flights controlled entirely by computer? Why do they need to be approved? What arbitrary standards should they meet? What is the basis for the requirements? What expertise does the FAA even have related to rocket launches?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:19:46 UTC No. 16384786
>>16384780
>Compliance is not voluntary
Compliance is always voluntary.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:20:38 UTC No. 16384787
>>16384780
Wow a real golem sucking off the feds right here for us to see
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:22:14 UTC No. 16384788
>>16384787
>golem
>>>/pol/
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:23:31 UTC No. 16384792
>>16384787
> Your Honor, I don't have to pay this speeding ticket because I dun wanna.
Try it yourself. See if it works.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:24:18 UTC No. 16384794
>>16384792
You’re morally justified in shooting officers of the law.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:25:56 UTC No. 16384798
So who invited the glowie?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:27:32 UTC No. 16384800
>>16384679
Is this some joke related to Boeing?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:31:45 UTC No. 16384804
>>16384780
More like the FAA cannot promulgate regulations for things on the ground and not at an airport like control rooms and cryogenic tank farms as doing so is not part of its statutory authority.
>>16384792
That's not how it works. What do you think Relentless, Inc. v. Department of Commerce aka overturning of the Chevron was about? Agencies can no longer say XYZcorp broke our regs because we say so without first convincing the court they have the authority granted by statute to make them. I know that bothers you communists but that's how it is now.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:36:48 UTC No. 16384808
>>16384804
>obsessed with both spaceflight and US politics
I know you're a virgin
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:39:25 UTC No. 16384809
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:40:06 UTC No. 16384810
>>16384804
If you feel that a spaceport is totally not like an airport because -- it's just not! -- take them to court yourself.
> Well, I'm kinda busy posting my life away on a sub or a chan....
Then don't bitch about the result of letting someone else do your work.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:42:12 UTC No. 16384812
>>16384810
weak bait
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:45:09 UTC No. 16384814
>>16384812
Reality, Sonny Jim. Go down to the nearest Federal Courthouse, grab the right forms and file your own suit if you think you have the Law on your side.
> Well, like I said, kinda busy right now...
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:53:58 UTC No. 16384820
What's up with twitteroids acting like Blue Origin is a wholesome #teamspace company?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:55:20 UTC No. 16384822
>>16384820
anyone that isnt elon/spacex is teamspace
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:58:48 UTC No. 16384825
>redditspacing
>trolling outside of /b/
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:59:03 UTC No. 16384826
>>16384820
I don't know, why don't you go and ask them?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:59:53 UTC No. 16384828
>>16384826
Why are you acting like Blue Origin is a wholesome #teamspace company?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:01:35 UTC No. 16384831
>>16384820
the employees get bathroom breaks as a perk
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:02:18 UTC No. 16384833
>>16384831
Bathroom breaks are for earners, and are not a right they are a privilege.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:16:55 UTC No. 16384849
>>16384833
>earners
Nice, lets see Blue Origin's earnings
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:20:41 UTC No. 16384850
>>16384828
But anon! That guy from the Timothy Dodder video said BO was the best company he ever worked at!!!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:20:48 UTC No. 16384851
>SpaceX Starlink has 2,500 airplanes under contract after United megadeal, director says
God dman
Starlink is a money printer
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/17/spa
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:21:54 UTC No. 16384854
>>16384851
Almost like Elon actually knows how to run a rocket company or something.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:21:59 UTC No. 16384855
>>16384670
>Shouldn't how?
Technically.
We have all the pieces. We have rocket planes. We have air launch to orbit. We have exoatmospheric planes. We should be able to combine them into one vehicle.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:23:53 UTC No. 16384858
>>16384855
I mean we can, you just can't use it for anything. It's a physics problem not a technology problem
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:24:19 UTC No. 16384859
>>16384851
Having decent internet during a flight fixes a lot of problems of long flights.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:24:31 UTC No. 16384860
>>16384855
Lmao. Enjoy your puny mass to orbit capabilities and high maintenance costs. And that's *IF* you can even pull it off in the first place!
Meanwhile we'll be launching hundreds of tons to orbit with rockets like sane human beings
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:28:42 UTC No. 16384862
>>16384855
>>16384860
stop using up so much of my screen space.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:30:07 UTC No. 16384866
>>16384858
>>16384860
I just want a technical demonstrator. I don’t care if it’s an unmanned drone with no cargo.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:37:19 UTC No. 16384871
>>16384866
The Apollo Program included a tech demonstrator that performed 6 manned SSTO launches. They weren’t spaceplanes tho. Hope this helps.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:37:29 UTC No. 16384872
>>16384866
>I want to spend money on something doesn't have a clear path to becoming a useful product
If it was a viable idea you'd just do it and not waste time and money with some masturbatory tech demo
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:38:32 UTC No. 16384873
>>16384866
I want it equipped with a Puckle gun
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:43:51 UTC No. 16384878
>>16384873
pew pew pew
pew pew pew pew pew
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:45:09 UTC No. 16384879
>>16384679
>strategy backfires
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:46:57 UTC No. 16384882
>>16384879
>back round
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:47:56 UTC No. 16384884
>>16384879
>back round
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:53:04 UTC No. 16384890
won't somebody please think of the piping plover?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OQ
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:55:20 UTC No. 16384892
>>16384890
Who is responsible for producing this, and from where did they derive their funding
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:55:25 UTC No. 16384893
It’s on.
Musk is filing suit against the FAA for regulatory overreach. It’s about to get dirty!
Flight 5 might not happen this year kek
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:10:41 UTC No. 16384904
>>16384750
Perfect! Now it's assisted suicide, not murder
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:27:39 UTC No. 16384912
>>16384360
Angara and Plesetsk cosmodrome are simply… uninspiring? They illicit no response from me. Such a lame rocket.
Kazakhstan is beautiful and the train transporter is cool. Plesetsk on the other hand (and even vostochny) is clinical and boring. Proton rockets are beautiful and I’ll miss them. Even chink Long March rockets are more interesting than Angara.
What has happened to Russia? Such a fall from grace.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:29:42 UTC No. 16384913
>>16384912
Do those stupid fins even do anything
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:38:17 UTC No. 16384917
>>16384766
I'll just call you a nigger instead. Nigger.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:02:13 UTC No. 16384937
>>16384878
the russian orbital segment is kino
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:06:53 UTC No. 16384942
Kinda crazy the FDA is moving faster with neurolink than the FAA with spacex
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:10:27 UTC No. 16384950
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:10:50 UTC No. 16384951
So why haven't pentagon come in and told the faggots to calm down in hampering the provider of 90% of their fucking payloads to orbit
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:11:30 UTC No. 16384953
>>16384942
Think of the potential adverse consequences of putting some clean water on the ground!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:11:34 UTC No. 16384954
>>16384951
This is a great question
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:11:52 UTC No. 16384955
>>16384937
of the ISS? it’s kind of boring. Your pic is nice and I’ll agree that russian utilitarianism / 80s cassette core CAN look great. The russian orbital segment isn’t it, though. Neither was Mir.
Old russian planes are sexo though but for the same reason the old shuttle interior was, and 80s US planes were.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:13:08 UTC No. 16384957
>>16384951
I don’t think the pentagon is fully up to speed with the capabilities of falcon, let alone the potential of starship. They could see 30 falcon launches a year and not feel held back.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:13:20 UTC No. 16384958
>>16384951
The pentagon does not give orders to the civilian government. Realistically they can complain to congress and the president, and that's it. Unfortunately those assholes are the problem in the first place.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:19:02 UTC No. 16384967
>>16384937
For me it's the camera on Soyuz with the Russian readouts.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:19:49 UTC No. 16384968
>>16384951
It is a tap on the wrist for someone the size of SpaceX.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:21:12 UTC No. 16384970
>>16384937
Dragon 2’s tesla-tier touchscreen is GAY, despite how cool the company is I want sovl like this on HLS Starship
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:22:13 UTC No. 16384972
>>16384968
It’s the principal of the thing; no one said SX couldn’t afford the fines. They can’t afford the constant and growing bureaucracy
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:22:19 UTC No. 16384973
>>16384970
Agreed, I hate touchscreens I HATE TOUCHSCREENS
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:24:42 UTC No. 16384974
>>16384970
Correct and truthpilled. Elon's vision of space is very, very, very gay to my mind destroyed by 1980's science-fiction. Literally the only redeeming quality of oldspace is the kino buttons and utilitarian designs, everything Elon makes follows the asthetic influence of an airplane toilet stall.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:27:20 UTC No. 16384976
>>16384973
Touchscreens are not bad, the problem with Dragon is that it's literally a Tesla-tier interior. Now have a look at A350 cockpit, where you have both physical buttons and touchscreens. Looks much better.
https://visites360.aircaraibes.com/
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:30:32 UTC No. 16384979
>>16384976
would look even better without the touchscreens. also how come they get shitbox-tier seats
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:30:38 UTC No. 16384980
>>16384679
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18360
>SpaceX will be filing suit against the FAA for regulatory overreach
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:30:58 UTC No. 16384981
>>16384937
>not the russian orbital segment
>not even a spacecraft
>these replies
kek
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:32:14 UTC No. 16384982
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:32:36 UTC No. 16384983
>>16384976
Comparing apples to oranges, you dont fill up something with uselesd buttons and ways to screw things up if its not necessary and its not. Stop arguing for complication of the Dragon set up just got visuals sake you look like a total moron
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:34:50 UTC No. 16384985
>>16384980
Oh fuck yeah I forgot they can do that now
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:38:43 UTC No. 16384990
>>16384980
>>16384851
the dems are currently trying to figure out how they can punish elon for this
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:39:59 UTC No. 16384992
>>16384976
Touchscreens are bad because the control systems are tied in with the monitor. That means in the case of monitor failure you're fucked.
We need more mechanical switches and buttons for mission critical systems.
Give them a mouse and keyboard too so they don't have to keep reaching forward to accomplish basic tasks. It's like nerds don't care about ergonomics.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:40:18 UTC No. 16384993
>>16384976
One flaw to this design is the control stick input isn't mirrored to the other seat which was a factor in the loss of Air France flight 447. Another improvement would be an announciator that says ALTERNATE LAW YOU RETARDS if the plane switches to this mode as it doing so without pilot awareness was a factor in another crash. The concept of alternate law might not exist on Dragon though and control sticks certainly don't either however.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:40:47 UTC No. 16384995
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18361
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:43:18 UTC No. 16385001
>>16384995
Good good, force Congress' hand. There is already bipartisan support and GAO is on board to strip their authority.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:44:44 UTC No. 16385005
a lot of posts by Musk about the FAA issue
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:45:45 UTC No. 16385006
a Polaris Dawn crew spaces, over 1h long
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:46:06 UTC No. 16385007
>>16384995
if the biden admin can go on fishing expeditions using frivolous lawsuits against spacex then the reverse can happen too
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:49:47 UTC No. 16385011
>>16384992
Honestly though, are touch screens really a problem? When was the last time your phone was suddenly nonfunctional? You're telling me if you had three of them there's still too high a risk of failure across a few hours flight that's automated anyway? I think we're just there technologically, no more buttons forever
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:54:31 UTC No. 16385017
>>16385007
The reverse? Going fishing using frivolous lawsuits against the government? Hey, that’s Jeff’s playbook!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:56:40 UTC No. 16385020
>>16385011
They've created serious issues on warships once of which resulted in a collision. They're fine for displaying information and controls for non system critical functions and redudant controls for primary inputs however. On the other hand I'd argue it's fine for how Dragon is currently used, I just wouldn't want it on something that requires actual manual piloting.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:57:55 UTC No. 16385022
>>16385011
>when was the last time your phone was non-functional
NTA, but I dunno, like a month ago? Touch screen bad, button good. Works after something gets knocked loose and smashes screen, or if your vision is somehow occluded. (Think helmet visors and life-support wonkyness.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:05:15 UTC No. 16385027
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:07:45 UTC No. 16385031
>>16384980
we are so back
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:11:04 UTC No. 16385037
why do you idiots hate shuttle when it was literally instrumental inc reating dragon? research dragon-eye.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:13:51 UTC No. 16385038
von Braun would have loved starlink and live streaming diablo and factorio
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:15:11 UTC No. 16385039
>>16385037
>this one payload justified setting us back 50 years, just do your research bro
Meds now
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:18:42 UTC No. 16385044
>In a very odd turn of events, the vessel Hos Ridgewind does indeed appear to be attempting to recover portions of Booster 11.
>Hos Ridgewind is at the splashdown point of B11 and has been for the past four days.
They're recovering B11, or what's left of it.
https://x.com/mcrs987/status/183613
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:20:13 UTC No. 16385045
>>16385044
chinese? russians? who else is in the area? maybe they think its about to get taken.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:20:21 UTC No. 16385046
The U.S. Secret Service says they’re aware of Elon Musk’s deleted assassination tweet about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris : ["And no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala {thinking emoji}"]
U.S. Secret Service : “[We] investigate all threats related to our protectees”
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:21:58 UTC No. 16385048
FAA has published the enforcement letters for the F9/FH fines. Notes:
Regarding Falcon 9:
FAA was informed on May 2, 2023 that there is a revised comms plan.
FAA responded on June 15, that a change for the June 18 launch would not be approved in time.
Bullshit infractions
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:22:06 UTC No. 16385049
>>16385046
thats not a threat lol, go read ars comments, there are actual threats posted daily there
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:22:29 UTC No. 16385050
>>16385045
Mexicans, at least that's the vessel's flag.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:24:24 UTC No. 16385052
>>16385046
Who is only one side allowed for calls of assassination?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:24:58 UTC No. 16385054
>>16385044
About fucking time
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:25:25 UTC No. 16385055
>>16385050
And the crew most likely consists of Europeans, Slavs and Filipinos.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:28:17 UTC No. 16385062
>>16385037
For me it's more of a hate of a shuttle program that dragged on too long than a dislike of the technical qualities of the orbiter and launch system although that had its flaws as well. Shuttle really only sort of fulfilled it's potential for a couple years when ISS construction began and to a lesser extent during Shuttle-Mir. On the technical side it suffered from a design freeze which prevented it from ever coming closer to its very ambitious original design goals. Had there been further design iterations it might have improved upon this but costs would still only go up. The issue of foam strikes could never be resolved nor the slow turn around times and heat shield. STS-51-L fucked up NASA scheduling for nearly a decade and the program as a whole wrecked budgets for decades to come. As a result in 2010 were were still flying to space in tech designed in the 1970's. Launching and servicing HST is the most scientifically useful thing it ever did.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:31:11 UTC No. 16385065
>>16385046
That reads like a journalist was looking for a soundbyte by asking a loaded question. Gotta get those clicks.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:40:11 UTC No. 16385073
>>16385062
>dragged on too long
Making it off the slide show was dragging it on too long. If we kept building Saturns we would've done more with less money
>servicing Hubble
Would've been cheaper to launch a second Hubble. FUCK the shuttle (shittle, I call it)
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:40:22 UTC No. 16385074
I was thinking the other day in the shower, the only REAL way for space colonization is building a giant ISS-type nuclear space station with artificial gravity modules. There is no other way.
You cant just confine 10-12 people in a tube for 7-8 months in 0G (x2 so 14-16 months of just pure interplanetary flight).
Tons of studies show bone density loss (mitigated by exercise), kidney stones and kidney damage (probably mitigated by medicine), ocular problems, heart muscle loss, gastrointestinal problems (mitigated by medicine) AND very very low efficiency at hydroponics and other methods of cultivating food (plants really dont like 0g)
If i was Elon i would scrap the "Interplanetary Mars Vehicule" and use Starship to build this kind of space station (using Ion-electric propulsion, nuclear for comercial is not yet here). Yes it will take probably another 10-15 years but it will be worth it
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:43:27 UTC No. 16385076
>>16385074
Did you cry when you were asked to stay indoors for two weeks during covid?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:44:43 UTC No. 16385077
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:46:40 UTC No. 16385080
>Today, I sent a letter strongly encouraging FAA Administrator Michael Whitaker to accelerate the agency’s environmental review of @SpaceX’s project in Texas.
>Texas must be allowed to continue to play a vital role in America’s space enterprise.
https://x.com/RepKeithSelf/status/1
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:52:12 UTC No. 16385082
>>16384766
FAA regulations are not law, particularly now that Chevron deference is dead.
Moreover, what has qualified the FAA to judge tank farms and control rooms?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:52:20 UTC No. 16385083
>>16385062
Dr. MICHAEL GRIFFIN
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:53:21 UTC No. 16385084
>>16385083
https://aviationweek.typepad.com/sp
full rant
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:53:32 UTC No. 16385085
>>16385080
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/
>The Biden-Harris administration issued new guidance this year forcing all federal agencies to include more burdensome environmental justice studies in all their NEPA reviews
He has his marching orders
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:02:56 UTC No. 16385089
>>16385082
The bizarre thing is how the designs themselves for non flight articles have to be approved any time there is a change no matter how minor. Instead of just saying the new control room/tank farm meets all existing regulations, industry and safety standards they're made to be second guessed by an agency that has less subject matter expertise than they do. It's like an HOA architectural review board almost.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:09:10 UTC No. 16385091
reminder we support spaceflight and the EPA here
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:11:01 UTC No. 16385093
>>16385091
>support the EPA
I support removing the atmosphere
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:11:30 UTC No. 16385094
>>16385091
fuck the EPA
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:14:34 UTC No. 16385099
>NASA has awarded a contract to Intuitive Machines, LLC of Houston, to support the agency’s lunar relay systems as part of the Near Space Network, operated by the agency’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.
>This Subcategory 2.2 GEO to Cislunar Relay Services is a new firm-fixed-price, multiple award, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quan
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/n
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:16:01 UTC No. 16385101
>>16385099
>intuitive machines got a $5 billion dollar handout
thats more than spacex ever got wtf
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:16:26 UTC No. 16385103
>>16385091
Suffer not the environmentalist to live
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:17:02 UTC No. 16385104
>>16385020
Redundancies in control systems is correct.
I didn't know about the warships thing.
That is terrifying, how that can be an issue.
I want that engineers head on a pike.
>>16385011
>we're just there technologically, no more buttons forever
People like you shouldn't be within a single kilometer of any spacecraft.
Touchscreens are a step backwards technologically.
Until we have holographic interface don't talk about progress.
Monitor failures happen.
Redundancies are very fucking important.
Mechanical buttons and switches are critical and there is literally no reason to not have them.
There is no good reason to use touchscreen interface for these systems when mechanical systems have worked just fine for so long.
And touchscreens alone? Catastrophically retarded.
The fact that anyone ever thought a touchscreen interface alone was sufficient demonstrates the competency crisis in full swing.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:17:50 UTC No. 16385106
>>16385099
Good GRIEF… what is this relay? Is this like, ground-to-Gateway-to-Earth? Or is it talking about that dumb intranet they wanted so that every stupid CLPS mission can talk to eachother
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:19:24 UTC No. 16385108
FAA needs to be removed
FCC needs to be removed
EPA needs to be removed
Biden/Harris needs to be removed
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:20:07 UTC No. 16385111
>>16385108
Why don't we just get rid of the entire government?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:20:20 UTC No. 16385113
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18361
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:20:50 UTC No. 16385115
>>16385027
One redundant button is not enough.
We need a backup redundant button on a separate override in case of button cascade failure.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:21:53 UTC No. 16385117
T-1:30:00
"the launcher" is sending up another European satellite, and they optimized the trajectory to recover the booster this time. Also it's the booster's 22nd launch
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1836072
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:21:54 UTC No. 16385118
>>16385084
>Most of the present discussion will focus on the U.S. government civil space program. I will have some comments on the international scene and on the possible role of commercial space, but for much of the next five decades, the U.S. government will be the dominant entity in determining the course of human space exploration
Dr. Michael Griffin is one of the most disgusting creatures in modern spaceflight commentary. His vision for the future is soul-crushing and completely without ambition, he labels timetables that are designed to destroy interest and momentum as "reasonable," and he assumes that a complex of bureaucrats and subcontractors THAT HE WAS A LEADING PART OF FOR YEARS will now suddenly begin to show an interest in pursuing manned spaceflight now that their powerpoints are powered by Mike Griffin's dreamy rhetoric. He is a disgusting faggot and he should be beaten until he dies.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:22:28 UTC No. 16385119
>>16385106
>what is this relay?
>As part of the contract, Intuitive Machines will deploy lunar relay satellites and provide communication & navigation services that play an essential role in NASA’s Artemis campaign to establish a long-term presence on the Moon.
https://x.com/int_machines/status/1
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:24:55 UTC No. 16385121
>>16385115
Put that panel under a big cover you have to open in emergency cases.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:25:40 UTC No. 16385123
>axiom's financials are in dire shape
wtf i thought they were doing well? they have space station modules in development, 3 flights under their belt, and another 1 on the way and yet they're broke?
>Forbes reports that Axiom Space, which was founded by billionaire Kam Ghaffarian and NASA executive Mike Suffredini in 2016, has been struggling to raise money to keep its doors open and has had difficulties meeting its payroll dating back to at least early 2023. In addition, the Houston-based company has fallen behind on payments to key suppliers, including Thales Alenia Space for its space station and SpaceX for crewed launches.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/
if axiom is on the verge of bankruptcy then it makes me worried for vast too
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:26:25 UTC No. 16385125
>>16385099
how long until intuitive machines say it's too much hassle for too little money and abandon the project?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:27:00 UTC No. 16385126
>>16385125
Why would they do that?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:27:30 UTC No. 16385128
>>16385121
you read my mind
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:28:39 UTC No. 16385131
>>16385111
Remove regulatory abusers from having power
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:33:36 UTC No. 16385132
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/18361
SpaceX suspects political along doing from FAAs part
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:37:26 UTC No. 16385133
>>16385123
if axiom goes under then NASA won't have a suit provider, the other one already dropped out
but why do you think Vast is in the same place as Axiom? Axiom always seemed kind of oldpsaceish to me
the module station is very conventional, the suit is very conventional, both are just copying and extending NASAs similar tech
Vasts plans have been to exploit Starship from the start as far as I know, the two things they launch before the Starship class modules are just for pathfinding (small platform for propulsion etc testing and then a F9 class standalone module for additional testing with crew and other systems)
Vast also seems much more ambitious
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:39:48 UTC No. 16385137
>>16385133
because vast isnt generating any money unlike axiom
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:42:48 UTC No. 16385138
>>16385123
>>16385133
This goes back to this guy's recent video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G6
explains alot.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:43:32 UTC No. 16385139
>axiom has 1,000 employees
what the fuc lol
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:45:57 UTC No. 16385142
>>16385123
Artemis is so fucked if axiom goes under wtf. This is horrible news.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:46:03 UTC No. 16385143
>>16385074
>Vehicule
You go in the pisslock for that alone.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:46:06 UTC No. 16385144
>>16385126
To save face from their shareholders and to not admit they're not able to deliver.
I have very little confidence in IM to pull off a human first of effectively establishing a brand new communications network around another body by itself, especially after the years of delay for IM-1 and its' tip over.
Nasa is desperate to not become a rubber stamper for SpaceX missions and is wasting money on CLPS to do so.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:47:09 UTC No. 16385146
>>16385099
Holy shit, $5 billion for some relay satellites??
How the fuck does NASA keep getting ripped off like this? How long until Elon shitposts that SpaceX could have done it for 10% that cost?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:48:48 UTC No. 16385148
>>16385144
Axiom going under and SpaceX developing a viable moon EVA suit would make that even worse lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:49:17 UTC No. 16385149
>>16385132
scroll up zoomer
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:49:29 UTC No. 16385150
>>16385123
Vast has a vastly more realistic and achievable roadmap. Haven-1 is a simple MVP station, and is schedule to launch next year on Falcon 9. I am cautiously optimistic of Vast's prospect unless Haven-1 slips for more than a year.
>>16385137
Yet it is Axiom that is running out of money after investing many years on hardware on ground. Vast otoh has one simple module that is launching next year and will immediately start generating operational income.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:50:11 UTC No. 16385152
>>16385146
They have starlink already operating and all it would take is to launch some modified stinks into moon or it with more powerful lasers to make up for the greater distances assuming they can't already operate at that distance
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:50:21 UTC No. 16385153
And levers.
We need levers that make the DWOOOOO sound like in Star Wars when Kenobi shuts down the tractor beam.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:52:05 UTC No. 16385154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPL
Falcon 9's getting ready to launch another pair of European shame payloads
T-59:00
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:54:13 UTC No. 16385155
>>16385144
For 5 billion dollars they could hire a necromancer to resurrect everyone who worked on the surveyor missions. I really can’t see them failing to deliver with that much money.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:55:07 UTC No. 16385157
>>16385123
OH NONONO
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:55:34 UTC No. 16385158
>All of this raises significant questions about Axiom's ability to deliver on the primary reason the company was created—to build a successor to the International Space Station. Suffredini joined Ghaffarian in the venture after serving as manager of NASA's space station program for more than a decade. When they founded the company in 2016, the plan was to launch an initial space station module in 2020.
>The timeline for station development has since been delayed multiple times. Presently, Axiom plans to launch its first module to the International Space Station no earlier than late 2026. And the company's ambitions have been downsized, according to the report. Instead of a four-module station that would be separated from the government-operated space station by 2030, Axiom is likely to go forward with a smaller station consisting of just two elements. This station would have lower power and reduced commercial potential, according to the article.
>NASA plans to issue a "request for proposals" for the second round of commercial space station contracts in 2025 and make an award the following year. Multiple sources have indicated that the space agency would like to award at least two companies in this second phase. However, Ghaffarian told Forbes that he would prefer NASA to decide next year and award a single competitor.
>"Today there's not enough market for more than one," he said.
yeah axiom is fucked. they hired a guy to run the company who burned all the money then fucked off after he made his millions.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:56:46 UTC No. 16385160
>>16385155
throwing money at a problem won't guarantee its going to get solved, why do people think it can?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:57:56 UTC No. 16385161
>>16385158
this sounds really bad, a two module stations sounds like a waste of time
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:58:19 UTC No. 16385162
>Axiom has lost significant amounts of funding on three private astronaut missions it has flown to the International Space Station to date. Ghaffarian said these missions were conducted at a loss to build relationships with global space agencies.
>The publication reveals that Axiom is due to pay $670 million to SpaceX for four Crew Dragon missions, each of which includes a launch and ride for four astronauts to and from the station encompassing a one- to two-week period. This equates to $167.5 million per launch, or $41.9 million per seat.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:58:24 UTC No. 16385163
>>16385155
I wonder how much pocket change it would take to get SpaceX to set up some lunar relay satellites with prototypes of the full-sized Starlink v2s with longer-ranged lasers? It'd certainly cost a lot less than $5B.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:58:34 UTC No. 16385164
>>16385084
>https://aviationweek.typepad.com/s
>some noname retard typed something therefour it must be true!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:02:03 UTC No. 16385168
>>16385144
The problem is that NASA/Congress budget is being strangled by SLS so nothing else can get properly funded. CLPS companies take retarded shortcuts on launch costs which means cutting corners on physical robustness like we saw with the two failed landers. The old Surveyor landers showed how to do it. Launch directly to TLI and brake directly into landing. NuNASA tried putting the cart before the horse, spinning up a bargain priced lunar economy without reliable reusable LEO-LLO transportation and propellant depots.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:02:43 UTC No. 16385169
I don’t even see Vast making it to be dēsu. Very bleak right now in the commercial industry because there really isn’t an industry in the first place! SX is the exception not the rule.
Congress, as we all know, does not have any interest in Artemis besides keeping SLS funded—and there is going to be quite an awakening when China gets close to putting bugmen on the Moon, Congress does a welfare check on NASA/Artemis, and finds pretty much EVERYONE has gone under, is 10 yrs behind schedule (yes even in 2029 people will need 7, 8, 9 more years for their obligations), and nothing is ready to go.
Total SpaceX sweep when they come to save the day and get humans back to the Moon pretty much single-handedly. I wouldn’t be surprised if even SLS gets cancelled
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:04:34 UTC No. 16385171
up until today i was under the assumption that we would have 5 or 6 space stations before the end of the decade. today i wouldnt be surprised if the chinese station is the only one still standing in 2030.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:04:36 UTC No. 16385172
I can't be the only one who thinks audio/visual feedback from ship systems is beneficial to the morale and mental health of the crew.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:05:30 UTC No. 16385173
>>16385123
There is no new space. only space x
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:06:36 UTC No. 16385175
>>16385169
SLS will get cancelled if SpaceX keeps doing what they are doing, which sadly isn't 100% guaranteed at this point
the lawfare is getting really bad
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:07:12 UTC No. 16385177
>>16385093
Environment Prevention Agency
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:07:40 UTC No. 16385178
>>16384599
Space Force uniforms should've taken inspiration from LoGH, the cravat looks very fashionable and contrasts well with the black jacket
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:13:09 UTC No. 16385183
>>16385175
Cow-tying SpaceX just because Mr. Musk supports the “other side” and doesn’t want to play by your censorship rules would be the absolute most shoot-your-own-foot retarded move the government could ever, ever, EVER do to themselves. And I wouldn’t even put it past these unelected marxist bolshevik fucks who are running our country right now.
Shuttle set us back 50 years. Restricting SpaceX to “Starship only a few times a month” with constant fines, investigations, and groundings would set us back an additional 100 years I’m not even joking. We would basically be conceding half of the strategic lunar surface and probably the optimal Martian colony spots to China.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:15:47 UTC No. 16385184
>>16385183
most people wont mind. they think spaceflight is a waste of money or that only the government should be involved in it.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:18:41 UTC No. 16385185
>>16385184
Yes but I think the real problem is that even the elected officials and people with authoritative power don’t even care, or realize the severity of the shifting landscape and danger to USA power in space they pose by stifling SpaceX
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:18:46 UTC No. 16385186
>>16385183
It’ll just make him relocate to friendlier lands. Or even the open seas.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:19:27 UTC No. 16385188
>>16385183
Not really. These people care way more about censorship of their political rivals than they do spaceflight. These people would abandon the moon and Mars to the Chinese and congressionally mandate that all American payloads fly on SLS if it meant they could unperson every wrongthinker who ever posted a meme about them. Earthers only care about things on the Earth.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:21:32 UTC No. 16385193
>>16385171
nasa will keep pushing iss to not let that happens
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:22:09 UTC No. 16385194
>>16385178
It's neat and simple and completely lacking in the weird scifi embellishments that always seem to end up on space navy uniforms. It actually looks like something real people would wear.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:23:13 UTC No. 16385196
>>16385171
I have enough faith in the American commercial spaceflight industry to hopefully put up a single-module one before the end of 2029.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:23:41 UTC No. 16385197
>>16385186
they'll 100% arrest him if they think he's going to move to another country. if they cant then they'll extradite or assassinate him.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:25:39 UTC No. 16385201
>>16385193
How long until it’s unrealistic? You might be able to push it another decade? But she sure as hell don’t have have two left in her. Solutions are needed quickly and NASA needs to either give up on its hyperauthoritative expectations for Commercial LEO Destinations, or be prepared for a period where there just simply isn’t a station for them to visit. Might have to say goodby to that November 2000 record for a permanent presence if no one is on Gateway and the Chinese are doing an intermittent crew swap.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:26:41 UTC No. 16385203
>>16385183
>conceding half of the strategic lunar surface and probably the optimal Martian colony spots to China
that's their entire program
what you think is incompetence is actually deliberate
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:27:21 UTC No. 16385205
>>16385194
Exactly, and if anything more embellished uniforms will be actually less practical in space if they restrict flexibility or have a lot of loose gizmos hanging off them. The double-breasted coat of the USSF looks way to thick and long to be comfortable in zero-g, but then again the Space Force is actually the Earth Non-violence so they probably aren't concerned with actual spaceflight practicality.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:28:29 UTC No. 16385210
>>16385196
Ahem, you called?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:29:17 UTC No. 16385211
>>16385205
>Space Force is actually the Earth Non-violence
dude, that's the public front
we all know space is weaponized now
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:31:33 UTC No. 16385216
>>16385214
???????????????
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:32:28 UTC No. 16385219
>>16385216
???????????????????????????
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:32:35 UTC No. 16385220
>>16385181
>No this is not bait
No, this is dragonbait.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:35:11 UTC No. 16385224
>>16385201
i'm sure bo can realize orbital reef before 2040
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:37:38 UTC No. 16385227
Why aren't the Galileo sats going up on Ariane?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:38:21 UTC No. 16385229
>>16385224
Umm apparently Sierra Space is run like a hound house without any dog food and the second-largest contractor on that shitstation is Boeing! so, I might not count on it. There were already rumors circulating at the beginning of last year that Orbital Reef just isn’t a priority for Blue Origin and that then and Sierra had a bunch of internal disagreements about management and funds and operations.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:39:10 UTC No. 16385232
>>16385227
Because they ordered the launches when nobody knew when or even if Ariane 6 would fly?
This is not some on the fly decision.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:39:38 UTC No. 16385236
>>16385220
I bet you love big, thick, heavy and rough dongs dont you
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:40:21 UTC No. 16385237
>>16385227
Ariane what? The retired one or the one that isn’t ready yet
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:40:49 UTC No. 16385238
>>16385230
The more you spam political shit in spaceflight general the more inclined I am to not vote at all
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:41:59 UTC No. 16385242
>>16385236
Don't project your faggotry onto me, "chad".
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:44:30 UTC No. 16385246
>>16385229
Sierra space could launch a single inflatable module and it would be enough to replace the ISS.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:45:14 UTC No. 16385247
>>16385074
It will take 9 months to get to Mars, 6 months if Elon's best predictions for Starship are correct, and people have lived on the ISS for over a year and returned and adjusted just fine. Keep in mind that Mars has like 1/3 the gravity of Earth so there won't be as much of a shock for re-adjusting to gravity there. What you are worrying about is a nothingburger, however for much longer stays in space (like 2+ years) then we would probably need artificial G.
Honestly your post reads like concern trolling but I am going to assume you made it in good faith and post this reply.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:46:46 UTC No. 16385249
what did the SpaceX lady say they're doing with the booster this launch? Didn't catch that
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:47:43 UTC No. 16385251
>>16385246
It’s not that easy see >>16385210. Bigelow literally has a module up in orbit right now. Based on NASA’s design for TransHab. Sierra would need a fleet of life support, power generation and maintenance, thermal control, and docking ports. You can’t hand wave these as trivial, every aerospace company lists these things as a technical challenge because problems tend to compound. It’s literally half the reason why SpaceX had such a poor bid for CLD and they’re the kings of the industry
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:47:47 UTC No. 16385252
>>16385208
What's with these business magnate types going full Howard Hughes?
Elon is next clearly
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:49:22 UTC No. 16385253
>>16385249
oh found it
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1836174
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:51:03 UTC No. 16385255
Décollage!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:51:15 UTC No. 16385256
>>16385208
>starliner docked to the model
lol
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:51:36 UTC No. 16385257
>>16385253
Thanks yeah I was wondering that as well. Might see a booster failure lol
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:54:50 UTC No. 16385258
wat da booster doin
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:55:04 UTC No. 16385259
engine rat!
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:56:10 UTC No. 16385260
booster is bing chilling
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:57:14 UTC No. 16385261
>>16385255
does ESA also have a stream for this launch?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:57:24 UTC No. 16385262
>>16385256
It’s like a cursed omen
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:58:06 UTC No. 16385263
>>16385261
No, I'm just saying it in the spirit of an ESA mission
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:58:16 UTC No. 16385264
>based fuel
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:59:45 UTC No. 16385267
another boring landing
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:59:52 UTC No. 16385268
another happy landing
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:00:44 UTC No. 16385271
>>16385267
nah, was extra spicy. Down from 6000 km/hr instead of the standard 5000 km/hr. Sad we didn't get video this time.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:03:21 UTC No. 16385274
>>16385273
When you've launched 22 missions with the same booster, you can afford such frivolities.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:06:49 UTC No. 16385275
>>16384993
>mirrored
do you mean translated
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:07:17 UTC No. 16385276
>launched 22 missions with the same booster
what
no, you did maintenance on that chassis and replaced components
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:08:51 UTC No. 16385278
>>16385275
kek, yeah
>>16385276
calm down jeff
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:09:13 UTC No. 16385279
>>16385276
I don't feel like arguing with you over the Ship of Theseus paradox right now so I'm just gonna call you a retarded nigger.
Replacing a few parts doesn't make it an entirely new booster.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:09:45 UTC No. 16385280
>>16385251
Each inflatable has life supported etc built in. The core of the inflatable houses all of the life support equipment. They are designed to be self sustainable even with just one module.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:10:20 UTC No. 16385282
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G
so space stations currently cant work out financially because it costs too much to launch dragon and there are too few people it can launch at a time. we have to wait for starship to launch people before it makes financial sense?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:10:49 UTC No. 16385283
>>16385205
>they probably aren't concerned with actual spaceflight practicality.
They’ve changed it since then, but when the space force first came on line every single one of their MOS descriptions listed “astronaut”. They do have some idea they’ll go up. But there’s also rumors some of those NSSL launches are manned.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:11:31 UTC No. 16385285
>>16385282
I never looked into why Bigelow called it quits but I assumed this was why.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:12:05 UTC No. 16385286
>>16385276
>NOOO THEY CHANGED O-RINGS ON IT IT'S NOT THE SAME BOOSTER!
Spend that energy building a better rocket, Tory.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:12:18 UTC No. 16385287
>>16385282
>we have to wait for starship to launch people before it makes financial sense?
Yes.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:12:39 UTC No. 16385288
>>16385279
>>16385278
first, that's not actually a paradox
it's a definitional problem
I am aware that maintenance is good and extends lifespan and operational duration of the chassis.
If you knew exactly which components are necessary to replace between missions you could hypothetically spit it out.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:14:36 UTC No. 16385289
>>16385285
Bigelow closed shop during Covid. He kept waiting for a launch vehicle that never appeared.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:14:56 UTC No. 16385290
>>16385288
Let me guess, you get a new car every time you put on a new set of tires, don't you?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:15:04 UTC No. 16385291
looks like space stations will need to make most of their income from things other than tourism
>research
>manufacturing
>communications
>fuel depot
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:16:10 UTC No. 16385292
>>16384970
retvrn to physical navball
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:16:34 UTC No. 16385293
>>16385290
I don't change tires at all, ever, because I'm a better driver than you in snowy conditions.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:16:49 UTC No. 16385294
Why did I only find out now that there's been an inflatable prototype hab literally in orbit for 15 years now? What the fuck has NASA been doing? What the fuck? Why am I paying taxes?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:17:03 UTC No. 16385296
>>16385285
I thought he was abducted by aliens because he was getting too close to the truth. He was definitely a believer.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:17:35 UTC No. 16385297
>>16385293
In other words, you don't own a car.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:18:30 UTC No. 16385298
>>16385294
>Why am I paying taxes?
Because, despite decades of complaining about the stupid shit their stolen money is being spent on, people are still reluctant to start shooting tax collectors.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:18:45 UTC No. 16385299
>>16385282
Minor problem. Starship is too fucking huge for any of the small initial stations that companies are looking at doing. It's oversized and would be able to dock with small stations. You really would need a very large space station for it to make sense, but you aren't getting any large stations any time soon because it's not a proven market. Bit of a bootstrap paradox. Launch costs need to be cheaper, but the only way to make them cheaper is a ship that requires huge stations, which require small stations to be made first, that require the huge ship...
Stoke seems like the only solution here since their rocket is fully reusable and the second stage is basically already a return capsule. If they could get crew launch costs down then maybe it could work for the short term until large stations make sense to build.
Honestly there seems to be a need for a reasonably sized, fully reusable platform that is specifically made to make crew transport economical.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:18:48 UTC No. 16385300
>>16385210
Doesn't count since its not inhabited or even habitable.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:18:51 UTC No. 16385301
>>16385288
It was a poor choice of words but funny if taken literally.
>>16385289
Does he plan to come back if one does? Or license/sell the tech if its worth doing so? An inflatable module scaled up to Starship's size would be cool to see.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:19:37 UTC No. 16385303
>>16385289
Why didnt he go Falcon 9?
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:20:44 UTC No. 16385306
>>16385301
Sierra space already has plans for a starship class inflatable. It's 5 times the volume of the ISS.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:21:59 UTC No. 16385308
>>16385297
You have no idea how well I drive standard transmission.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:22:13 UTC No. 16385309
>>16385299
I mean that's the market he's targeting. If the future of space is the big fully reusable rocket and the small fully reusable rocket I'll be happy
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:23:13 UTC No. 16385310
>>16385306
>5 cubic kilometers
Isn't this a little much? What would you even put in there?>>16385309
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:23:32 UTC No. 16385312
>design a 9m space station or satellite or whatever to fit in starship
>starship decides to put header tanks in the nose and now you have downcomer pipes and a 8.75m diameter limit
KEKED
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:26:03 UTC No. 16385319
>>16385299
Just realize the original Dragon concept: 7 seats, propulsive landing on land.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:26:31 UTC No. 16385321
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:26:35 UTC No. 16385322
starship doesn't have micrometeorite armor
I may be wrong but I believe micrometorite armor is basically a fancy combination of aluminum and rubber and kevlar layers
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:26:35 UTC No. 16385323
>>16385296
That's not how abductions work. you don't just randomly get abducted. John Mack did research on this in the 90s. You either are an abductee for life or you're not one at all. Also it follows families. If your parent(s) are abductees, you and your siblings are ones too, and your kids will be, and their kids, etc. it's actually really specific and repeatable among the people he interviewed.
>>16385310
>What would you put in there
Everything? Manufacturing, research stations, food growing, space hotel accommodations. A film studio. Microgravity Sports arena. Whatever you want really.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:27:07 UTC No. 16385324
>>16385306
>plans
I'm tired of plans, this is another perpetual two more years project. Maybe finish Dreamchaser first? Bigelow already put the engineering work in but I guess the laid off engineers needed to go somewhere.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:30:14 UTC No. 16385329
>>16385322
the pointy tip is relevant ablatively
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:39:38 UTC No. 16385346
>>16385280
Then yeah they better fucking get on it.
Took ‘em forever to get cargo dreamchaser ready (STILL not ready, actually, despite the commercial cargo contract being awarded in circa 2016). I wouldn’t bank on them being able to get an inflatable module equipped to house a minimum of 2 astronauts for a year ready any time soon
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:41:51 UTC No. 16385353
>>16385306
Sierra is an unserious company. SNC spun off their space division to save face
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:34:05 UTC No. 16385420
>>16385306
>5 cubic kilometers
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:08:29 UTC No. 16385451
>>16385091
I don't support your right to breathe
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:10:49 UTC No. 16385456
>>16385111
on earth
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:32:21 UTC No. 16385488
>>16385294
> inflatable prototype hab literally in orbit for 15 years now? What the fuck has NASA been doing?
Using it as a garbage stow.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:49:39 UTC No. 16385505
>>16384980
Called it. Similar suit that SpaceX filed against USAF that let them into the game in the first place. Starlink has become a money printer in a way that they can basically go big on this lawsuit and seriously peel the onion back on all the bullshit.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:00:59 UTC No. 16385517
>>16384851
>$10k/mo per dish for planes
>2500 planes on contract
>That's $25M/mo from the fleet or $300M/yr from the fleet from United Airlines
Delta airlines is the second largest with nearly 1k airplanes and the top 6 biggest airlines in the world are all US, followed by 2 European and 2 Chinese. If SpaceX captures all US fleets and at least 50% of all European and South East Asian fleets, Starlink can easily print them $1-2Bn/yr in revenue from just that. Probably another $1-2Bn from its subscriber base that will grow over time, in turn meaning revenue grows over time, and then factor in maritime subscription and DOD subscriptions and that number could probably jump to $6-8Bn/yr over the next 3-5 years. In essence, by 2030, its all but guaranteed that SpaceX will claw back every drop of R&D spend on Falcon 1, 5, 9, Cargo Dragon, Crew Dragon, Starship, all suit development, AND Starlink up to 2024/2025 from birth of company.
After 2030, they'll probably become completely decoupled from any funding requirements and gov/commercial contracts will become purely prestige offerings. It would be the Amazon/Apple/Nvidia/Tesla ($1Tn) event for SpaceX--and the only thing that would stop them then is full blown administrative hostility and open attempts at dismantling their business.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:10:36 UTC No. 16385528
>>16385169
VAST is made up of ex-SpaceX people. Their MVP station is basically the equivalent of a DragonXL/2nd stage repurposed similar to Starlab. They originally were gonna bet the farm, but have since drawn down into do the grasshopper station, then the Falcon 9 station, and then the Starship station. I see VAST, and potentially Gravitics as being the two most likely to succeed. Part of the reason AXIOM is fucked is that their commercial crew flights were quite expensive, with the $670M payment they owe to SpaceX. That's a load of cash. On top of that, their most recent Thales Alenia factory tour, showed that they're basically doing the super thin milled hull design that all old space is masturbatorily obsessed with doing. This costs a lot, slows down production of modules, and means that each part is essentially not mass-producible. Instead of going hardware rich with development, they went hardware poor and they have nothing to show for it--leading them to downsize their ambitions from 4 part station into a 2 part station. They screwed themselves.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:13:17 UTC No. 16385534
>>16385299
>we're now on the timeline where SpaceX will yeet a Moonship to LEO and call it a new space station
nani sore
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:13:19 UTC No. 16385711
>>16382810
They doing this again?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:55:52 UTC No. 16385880
>>16383332
we need vis length telescope because it's cool. Elon is about making cool things. We've no real need for UV telescopes just like all other space stuff, space programs are just welfare for scientists
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:42:27 UTC No. 16385983
>>16384851
I wish I could have invested in SpaceX or Starlink. I would have gone balls-deep and made a killing.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:14:49 UTC No. 16385990
>>16384855
You have all the pieces necessary to become a male prostitute. You should do that instead of posting about spaceplanes. It would be less gay.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:30:36 UTC No. 16386003
>>16385288
It's an instance of Heraclitus' paradox of change, and a fundamental issue in any conception of identity, not a problem of defining your entities more carefully, you double nigger.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:32:19 UTC No. 16386006
>>16385293
t. drives on bald tires
good work, champ