Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:28:16 UTC No. 16385325

in summary
>FAA levied massive fines against spacex
>spacex is suing the FAA in response
>axiom is going out of business

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:28:25 UTC No. 16385326

Even if Axiom is out of the picture, we still have Haven-1, StarLab, Orbital Reef, and potentially Starship. We have backup plans for commercial space station.
I'm much more concerned about Axiom's spacesuit contract. Berger said it's in better shape than the station side of the business, however is that enough to keep the company afloat? There isn't a backup Moon landing EVA suit to fall back on.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:29:27 UTC No. 16385328

Summery of problems with CLD
>Dragon too expensive
>Starship too big
>Nova chan please save us!

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:31:03 UTC No. 16385330

>>16385328
starship will launch with multiple dragons in it

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:31:50 UTC No. 16385331

>Starship too big

no
it needs to be larger to fit a grav therapy centrifuge onboard

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:34:12 UTC No. 16385334

>>16385331
Your gainz station wngts. 20Gs is unrealistic

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:34:17 UTC No. 16385335

>>16385331
It's too big for Commercial Leo stations which are all substantially smaller than it.

>>16385330
Still not feasible. In order for that to make sense you would need multiple stations and high demand which just isn't there. We really need crewed Nova but that just isn't going to happen for a while.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:34:31 UTC No. 16385336

>>16385310
This. The main limiting factor on developing space stations is the mass of everything needed inside the space station and not the actual volume. Like even Skylab was plenty spacious in the '70s, and I would imagine large-open spaces are more difficult to actually move around in due to a lack of walls/railing to propel oneself or hold on to.
Having a fuckton of inflatable volume solves a non-issue and is only relevant for future scalability. Plus it requires additional air mass to inflate the unused parts of the station.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:34:43 UTC No. 16385337

>>16385317
CLIPPER IS BIG

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:36:37 UTC No. 16385338

>>16385337
>It is the largest spacecraft NASA has ever developed for a planetary mission.
Wowza.
I hope it finds out lots of interesting things about Europa.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:37:39 UTC No. 16385339

>>16385328
starship isn't too big, what matters is the cost of launch
it should easily be less than F9 when fully reused and in that case even if it had only 4 people in it, the price per seat should be cheaper

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:37:59 UTC No. 16385341

>>16385334
no shit
20 gs will cause capillary burst

you don't need artificial gravity or high g therapy
just a normal centrifuge

in fact, you could even harness the forces exerted by a theraputic centifuge to achieve spin

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:39:27 UTC No. 16385344

blue glenn will win. unironically.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:40:00 UTC No. 16385348

>>16385344
how?

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:40:11 UTC No. 16385349

>>16385328
>Dragon too expensive
Because of NASA's restrictions cutting the available seat down to 4. You can cut the per seat cost by half just by restoring Dragon to a seven seater.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:40:58 UTC No. 16385350

>>16385337
>solar-powered probe
RTGbros... we lost again

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:44:06 UTC No. 16385355

>>16385339
No you moron, it IS too big. Like literally too big. Gateway is too small to control itself while starship is docked to it. Every other station concept that is even close to reasonable is small in scope.

Not to mention the fuel cost which is way higher. Even in fully reusable mode it's going to still be expensive to launch crew. Only launching 4 people per starship wouldn't be feasible but launching more than that also wouldn't make sense because all of the station concepts are small. See the problem?

We need a mid sized fully reusable rocket designed for crew. Nova is pretty much it. NG has plans for a reusable 2nd stage but those are only plans and we all know BO timelines are less than desirable.

I doubt dream chaser is going to be less expensive than dragon given it launches on Vulcan.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:44:35 UTC No. 16385356

>>16385328
In what sense is dragon too expensive? If dragon can’t foster some sort of commercial station economy then unironically the world is ngmi becuwse your other options are… what? Starliner? Get the fuck outta here.
Starship better DRASTICALLY cut down the $/kg for human launches or it will be a billionaire joyride industry until the end of time

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:45:47 UTC No. 16385357

>>16385339
How the fuck will they ever drive the cost down below F9 levels, that seems so outlandish

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:45:47 UTC No. 16385358

>The PPE needs to control the orientation of the Gateway when they’re attached — the “integrated stack.” That could be a problem with vehicles like SpaceX’s Starship HLS whose mass is “18 times greater than the value NASA used to develop the PPE’s controllability parameters.”
Holy shit they literally designed Gateway around Starship not winning HLS. What a garbage tollboth.

https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/gao-questions-gateways-mass-schedule/

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:46:08 UTC No. 16385360

>>16385326
Realistically we've got Haven and Starship. Starlab and Reef are the kind of halfhearted establishment projects that exist to collect several million in dev funding and then die in a downselect.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:48:12 UTC No. 16385363

>>16385355
Except for outfitting a starship as a station. Starships don't have any issue docking with their siblings. The problem is that the imagination of the current prospects are still clinging to an oldspace idea of scale.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:48:31 UTC No. 16385364

>>16385356
Starship has issues too. It's sized for large stations and tons of passengers but we don't have any large stations and we can't get any large stations until the small ones are a proven business model.

>>16385358
This problem applies to all commercial Leo stations BTW. See what I mean? Starship is too big. We need another solution to lower crew transport costs

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:48:43 UTC No. 16385365

>>16385326
>>16385360
Nobody is gonna make it but SpaceX, and BO by brute force. Better luck next time! A better business model right now would be trying to scam Bezos into just buying you out as some sort of “investment”

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:49:17 UTC No. 16385366

just build the station out of starships you tards

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:50:11 UTC No. 16385368

>>16385366
Total SpaceX monopoly.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:51:43 UTC No. 16385369

>>16385336
needs more isogrid

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:51:49 UTC No. 16385370

>>16385364
Vast's second station launches with Starship so they should be OK.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:53:14 UTC No. 16385372

>>16385355
Didn't someone get on my case last thread for saying that someone should build a reusable crew vehicle around a Falcon 9 second stage that could be launched on a standard booster?

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:53:17 UTC No. 16385373

>>16385366
This. Or at the very least these stupid companies wanting to build oldspace style modules should just pay SX to do custom Starships where the upper stage has a detachable propulsion + pressurized section. Basically an interim second stage.
SuperHeavy, Upper Stage, pressurized nose cone. Just charter a separate FH or extra Starship flight to throw on a Power and Propulsion Element for station keeping w/ solar panels, radiators, etc onto the ass

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:53:20 UTC No. 16385374

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:53:39 UTC No. 16385375

>>16385360
Reef is alive as long as Bezos is around. Anyway my point is we 100% will have our ISS replacement one way or another, unlike the EVA suit situation where one supplier has quit and the remaining one is facing financial trouble.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:55:27 UTC No. 16385377

>>16385375
We won’t get either, orbital reef isn’t happening and CLD will be a failure of a program

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:55:55 UTC No. 16385379

>>16385366
NASA, oldspacefags, and other companies than SpaceX would never do that.
A single Starship, if converted into a wet-workshop would have a volume comparable to that of the largest Sierra Space inflatable, but could carry much more mass up while also cutting the entire cost of actually constructing the space station. Just send up one Starship to be used as the wet-workshop with the all the tools for converting it into a wet-workshop into the payload bay, then send up a second Starship with compressed air and additional cargo to actually pressurize the first Starship and make it completely livable.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:56:14 UTC No. 16385381

>>16385370
It really depends. Both Vast and Starlab will launch on starship but the question is whether or not either can safely control itself while a massive starship is docked.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:56:35 UTC No. 16385383

>>16385379
Wet workshopping is so dumb

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:56:57 UTC No. 16385384

>>16385374
wtf is this real? finland has a space program?

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:59:43 UTC No. 16385388

>>16385383
Wet-workshopping is a very efficient way to construct space stations and you are a retard if you think its dumb.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:03:04 UTC No. 16385391

>>16385388
>wet-workshopping
>very efficient way to construct space stations
Hahahahahah almost had me there anon! You’re only pretending to be retarded, r-right??

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:03:58 UTC No. 16385392

>>16385357
Essentiality there should be no refurbishment or barge moving with general operation.
How it should operate:
>starship gets stacked
>gets fueled
>launches
>booster returns to launch site
>chopsticks catch it and place back on OLM
>new ship is moved in and stacked
>whole stack is fueled again and launched with (ideally) zero human interaction
Ships with also be caught but will be hauled off to be reprocessed with new payloads. There should be a small fleet of ships for each booster.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:03:58 UTC No. 16385393

>>16385379
I was thinking a large 6 way airlock with 3 or 4 Starships semi-permanently or permanently attached and remaining ports for visiting spacecraft or custom add-on segments to be added. There's a lot you can do when your module is that big, relatively inexpensive and can lift itself to LEO. Using an HLS derivitive would make sense.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:06:31 UTC No. 16385394

>>16385348
operational reusability will make it cheapr than falcon and starship. falconis not as easily reusable as new glenn will be, and starship is in a notoriously bad state which i dont need to comment on.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:07:28 UTC No. 16385395

>>16385391
nice argument fag

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:10:20 UTC No. 16385396

>>16385394
>operational reusability will make it cheapr than falcon and starship.

Needs to fly to actually do that. Plus it’s more expensive to produce. I know it’s larger than F9 but look at their production methods for GS1 and GS2 right now. Bezos is already self-admittedly horse racing a way to make the second stage cheaper because it’s too expensive
>falconis not as easily reusable as new glenn will be
NG can only be reused 25 times max so you’re wrong there
>and starship is in a notoriously bad state which i dont need to comment on.
It’s flown four times? How’s New Glenn going

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:12:19 UTC No. 16385397

>>16385395
Im not arguing with you if you think wet workshopping is trivial. That’s not the case dumbass. You expand your living quarters almost 4x in this case, you need to quadruple your life support, run electrical and shielding, all that mass needs to come up from additional launches. It’s easier to do what >>16385373 suggested. There’s your argument, aka you are wrong. Wet workshopfags are almost just as disillusioned as asteroid minercels

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:13:37 UTC No. 16385400

>>16385317
Clipper might be the spacecraft to discover extraterrestrial life, it might even be able to catch a microbe on ejecta if we're extremely lucky.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:14:37 UTC No. 16385402

Pic not related.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:14:55 UTC No. 16385403

>>16385400
Not happening. BUT… I’m stoked for EuroClip nonetheless. It’s going to be a cool mission.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:15:12 UTC No. 16385404

>>16385384
We're on the inferior timeline

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:15:16 UTC No. 16385405

>>16385397
You're forgetting that this is Starship. Bigger ECS systems for a wet workshop Starship sized volume do piss all to launch mass concerns when a Starship is launching lightly packed with air, tools, and no flaps/tiles/headertanks.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:15:56 UTC No. 16385406

>>16385402
Did they generate this art with AI assisted tools? Sad!

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:16:47 UTC No. 16385407

>>16385402
This would make more sense if Artemis II (or III as originally planned) was happening this year

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:16:57 UTC No. 16385408

>>16385405
You’re so ignorant it’s unreal

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:22:13 UTC No. 16385412

>>16385397
Regardless it would likely be cheaper to send up one Starship to be used at the wet-workshop then 1-3 more to have all the necessary materials and tooling for shielding, life-support, etc. than say, the 40 launches required to build the ISS.
And as >>16385379 proposed, the initial Starship used for the wet-workshop can carry plenty of mass used for the internal constituents of a space station on itself.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:25:54 UTC No. 16385413

>>16385412
Wrong

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:26:39 UTC No. 16385415

>>16385413
you really destroyed my argument there

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:28:32 UTC No. 16385417

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1sr6aVzW9M
This is what they took from you.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:31:50 UTC No. 16385419

>>16385400
That depends on whether or not the ETs that are already here make themselves known before 2030.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:34:23 UTC No. 16385421

>>16385396
>Needs to fly to actually do that.
Which it will
>more expensive to produce.
starship is more expensive than falcon. doesnt matter. thecost of manufacture is a small part of the cost of every launch if its reusable many times.
>Bezos is already self-admittedly horse racing a way to make the second stage cheaper because it’s too expensive
He will do it. When they ramp production rate cost per upper stage will naturally go down as it did with falcon.
>NG can only be reused 25 times max so you’re wrong there
Thats bullshit. Bezos says a MINIMUM of 25 reuses. And thats reuses without part replacement.
>It’s flown four times? How’s New Glenn going
Bud, if you dont know about the starship problems you must be new or something. It's not going great, and newsflash, it failed every test flight by the standards you would apply to any other company. I think flight 5 will work, but starship is so overweight at thispoint that its basically useless whithout a total redesign (which they will do)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:36:35 UTC No. 16385423

>>16385421
Even at 40-50 tons to Leo starship would still be worth it with full reuse

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:37:20 UTC No. 16385424

>>16385421
(you)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:38:21 UTC No. 16385425

>>16385415
you handwaved wet workshopping

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:42:35 UTC No. 16385427

>>16385424
>he has opinion i dont like, he must be troling!!1!!!
>>16385423
Its payload will be much lower with the flight 5 version because of all the buffing they are doing to the heat shield. More like 30T to LEO. 15T less than New Glenn. Dont get me started on the ice in the tanks, or the fact that its literally impossible to service or maintain raptor 3

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:48:56 UTC No. 16385430

>>16385427
Raptor 3 will eliminate the dry ice problem. They aren't taking the ox gas from the same place with r3, they are taking a pure ox gas feed iirc. They can get rid of most of the fuel filters for V2. A lot of the weight they gained was just from having to learn shit about reentry with the test articles they have available. Once they stick the landing and understand the vehicle better they will start shaving off weight.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:55:28 UTC No. 16385434

Can I get a QRD on how they're going to catch starship returning from orbit? Do they have that good of a grasp of reentry modelling to be able to end up in the bellyflop within a few hundred feet of the tower? How much translation authority do the flaps have in the final 10-15km of descent?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:58:12 UTC No. 16385438

>>16385430
>they are taking a pure ox gas feed
oh really?
good news if they are. but how do they heat the oxygen?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:00:34 UTC No. 16385439

>>16385438
Probably heat exchangers.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:01:39 UTC No. 16385441

So does Intuitive Machines have some oldspace networking guys who helped to secure this $5 bn contract?? Or did no one else bid on this thing so they just won by default

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:03:12 UTC No. 16385443

>spaceflight is racist and sexist
if only it were true

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:04:31 UTC No. 16385444

>>16385434
I'm pretty sure the plan is
>get the booster reusable ASAP
>chuck a dozen starships into the ocean
>your reentry model is now accurate
>go for double landing
>full orbital reuse achieved (congrats humans on step 1)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:04:48 UTC No. 16385446

>>16385443
This is why no one takes the leafs seriously.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:04:48 UTC No. 16385447

>>16385434
Flight 4 they were able to get the ship within 6km of the intended landing location
>>16385438
My bad, I think that is just speculation on the part of csi starbase because they removed some components from r3 where they take the ox gas from in r2. I misremembered what he said. Either way that seems most likely what they will try to do because the extra weight from the filters etc and the CO2 contamination is clearly an issue.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:04:54 UTC No. 16385448

>>16385443
astrology CSA mission NOW

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:19:06 UTC No. 16385466

>>16385448
Sorry, anon, but Mercury is retrograde right now.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:20:15 UTC No. 16385468

>>16385326
wait whats the axiom news

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:22:13 UTC No. 16385470

>>16385468
Struggling financially. Might end up going under.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:22:52 UTC No. 16385473

>>16385470
source?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:24:02 UTC No. 16385477

>>16385468
They've spent a lot of money and they're having trouble raising more. They're behind on their payments to SpaceX, Thales, and some of their suppliers. They didn't make much if any money off of their crew missions since those were apparently more about building relationships with future customers. People have started throwing around bankruptcy, as if they're going to go under before Astra (which would be wild but Chris Kemp is a funding cockroach, so it's not impossible)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:24:23 UTC No. 16385479

>>16385473
My arse(technica)

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/a-key-nasa-commercial-partner-faces-severe-financial-challenges/

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:29:18 UTC No. 16385485

>>16385408
Show me the mass budget then, brochacho. How does ECS, a wet workshop kit, and some ROSAs add up to 200 tons?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:34:15 UTC No. 16385490

>>16385485
Look dude. There is zero point in making use of all of the available space in starship when there is hardly any demand for space stations in the first place.

It makes more sense to do what they did with Polaris dawn but with a starship. Send up a starship for a couple weeks or a month or whatever.
Get some science done during that time, then come back. That is way more viable than modifying a starship into a space station.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:35:53 UTC No. 16385493

>>16385477
wow who knew the people who used to manage ISS dont know how to not run in the red. subcontract everything! "newspace" is a propped up corpse

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:40:25 UTC No. 16385496

>>16385402

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:42:33 UTC No. 16385498

>>16385496
>Sickle Cell Disease
Umm don't they know that its racist to call Sickle Cell Adaptation a disease? Africans evolved it to make them resistant against Malaria, they are harming the BIPOC community by labeling this advantageous mutation (with a few adverse side effects) as a disease.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:43:07 UTC No. 16385500

>>16385496
based. just focus on using NASA funds on science missions and get out of spacex's way so that they can transport your shit up there.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:45:50 UTC No. 16385501

>>16385326
Maybe it's a good thing they are going under.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:46:44 UTC No. 16385502

>>16385493
Honestly they should have tried to diversify their business more. Space stations are expensive and you need other revenue sources. Sierra space/BO, Airbus/Voyager both have other revenue sources in addition to their space station concepts.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:47:39 UTC No. 16385503

>>16385490
> That is way more viable than modifying a starship into a space station.

Unless you single purpose each section. Put a dozen of them up there at L1 with purpose built sections like a cruise ship.

>dining
>gambling
>berthing
>etc

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:53:16 UTC No. 16385509

>>16385502
Sierra Space and BO most definitely do NOT have revenue sources lmfao. And Axiom is more diversified than both of them

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:55:05 UTC No. 16385510

>>16385501
It's a reasonable plan to get a Canadian astronaut to get some practical spaceflight experience on Dragon before he gets launched as a Gaganyaan test pilot.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:55:50 UTC No. 16385511

>>16385509
And add Voyager Space to that list as well

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:56:00 UTC No. 16385512

>>16385503
>L1
Ah yes great idea. Now every resupply needs to have refuel flights associated with it and this potential points of failure.
>>16385509
They both have parent companies to learn on, or other revenue sources

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:57:38 UTC No. 16385513

>>16385502
You named two more failed newspace ventures as positive examples

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:58:10 UTC No. 16385514

>>16385512
>Now every resupply needs to have refuel flights associated with it
your fault for not making a reusable high energy architecture

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:00:54 UTC No. 16385516

>>16385514
Good luck making a fully reusable AND high energy architecture. You can only have one.
Unless you somehow reverse engineered alien warp drive tech while no one was looking it isn't going to happen. The mass penalty from reuse is too high.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:02:38 UTC No. 16385519

>>16385516
NTA but what about reusable centaur

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:02:58 UTC No. 16385520

>>16385516
starship + kick stage that can survive high energy reentry
EZ

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:05:26 UTC No. 16385522

any L2 paypigs wanna let us know whats new?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:05:30 UTC No. 16385523

>>16385519
That would eat into the mass to orbit. Reusability incurs mass penalty, period.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:07:24 UTC No. 16385525

>>16385519
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19740023233
>Reusable Centaur study. Volume 1: Executive summary
>March 15, 1974
>A study of the Reusable Centaur for use as an initial upper stage with the space shuttle was conducted. The currently operative Centaur stage, with modifications for space shuttle orbiter compatibility and for improved performance, represents a cost effective development solution. The performance needs and available development funds are discussed. The main features of three Reusable Centaur configurations with increasing capability at increasing development costs are summarized.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:08:44 UTC No. 16385526

>>16385523
No because your centaur is a separate entity that refills on its own. It’s ULA’s problem. You skip needing to bring the kickstage and you optimize for mass to orbit, then somehow finagle a centaur to get it into a higher energy orbit. Where does the mass penalty take place here?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:10:15 UTC No. 16385527

>>16385526
>Where does the mass penalty take place here?
On the reusable Centaur.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:10:55 UTC No. 16385529

>>16385509
Jeff's checkbook does qualify as a revenue source. Pretty dependable one.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:12:18 UTC No. 16385530

>>16385527
Why because it needs to save fuel in order to get back to a lower orbit to refill again? This problem is fixed by it topping off in a lower orbit

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:12:20 UTC No. 16385531

>>16385392
>hauled off to be reprocessed with new payloads
Nope, too expensive and would take too long. Think bigger. Standard air freight containers loaded on the stand during fueling
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_load_device

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:12:33 UTC No. 16385533

>https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1836208907582071166
>so what's up with that ULA sale?
>No one is willing to meet the parents' price. Both Jeff Bezos and Fatih Ozmen, among others, have kicked the tires and apparently not found the value they wanted.
How embarrassing.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:13:51 UTC No. 16385535

>>16385529
Now replace “Jeff’s checkbook” with “Axiom’s owner’s checkbooks” and you see the problem. Well’s running dry. That’s not a revenue source, or rather, it’s a dependable one that isn’t sustainable

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:14:51 UTC No. 16385537

>>16385533
Wasn’t ULA hyper-undervalued at only like $1 bil?? Can Jeff not match that?!

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:15:22 UTC No. 16385539

>>16385490
You're still thinking too small. Add wide docking ports and spiral staircases to the noses. Build a radial center unit with a zero G docking port along the axis of rotation. Add wet workshop Starships. You now have spin gravity with a >120m radius at the bottoms of the tanks. That gets you 1g at under 2.8rpm.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:16:01 UTC No. 16385540

>>16385526
It's not fully reusable if it doesn't return to earth, and return to earth requires a heat shield, fuel for the boostback burn, and other considerations to safely land.
Do you not understand this or what? Why do you think falcon 9 has more payload to orbit when expended compared to reused? Why do you think starship is so fucking heavy?
Reuse has Inherent mass penalties. You can't escape that, only minimize it.

>>16385530
>Bro just refill
Holy shit. Go back and read the posts you were responding to.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:16:04 UTC No. 16385541

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836120537883644049

Elon is giving sight to the blind, and yet they still refuse to worship him.
How many more miracles will it take?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:16:20 UTC No. 16385542

>>16385479
>"Sources familiar with the company’s operations told Forbes that co-founder and CEO Michael Suffredini, who spent 30 years at NASA, ran Axiom like a big government program instead of the resource-constrained startup it really was. His mandate to staff up to 800 workers by the end of 2022 led to mass hiring so detached from product development needs that new engineers often found themselves with nothing to do."

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:16:46 UTC No. 16385543

>>16385537
https://x.com/schun001/status/1836210213751259241
>What’s their approx asking price?
>More than $2 billion, apparently.

It's absurd that LM/Boeing would think ULA is worth more than $2 billion. The only valuable part of the company is the staff and they've been leaving so fast it's going to put the brakes on Tory's launch goals for next year

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:17:02 UTC No. 16385544

>>16385535
He can fund them for another century at the level he has for the past 23 years, assuming his investments simply track inflation. At that point, he'd still have half his money left.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:18:02 UTC No. 16385546

>>16385540
I don’t think the plan for a reusable centaur is to ever bring it back into the atmosphere

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:19:03 UTC No. 16385547

>>16385543
I can't wait for ULA to be literally unsellable because its workforce evaporated.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:19:21 UTC No. 16385548

>>16385544
It was more a dig against Axiom. They can’t afford it. I know Bezos can (he’s got lots of money and I am very envious)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:20:22 UTC No. 16385549

>>16385547
Arguably already the case

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:20:29 UTC No. 16385550

>>16385546
How is that a fully reusable rocket then?
Read the posts you are replying to holy fuck.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:20:50 UTC No. 16385551

>>16385547
I can't wait for ULA to be literally unsellable because its marketshare evaporated.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:23:34 UTC No. 16385553

>>16385550
What the fuck are you talking about?? You just keep saying “go back and reread” but nothing was missed?
I’m just saying I believe it’s Tory’s intention for this “reusable centaur” he keeps hinting at to always be in space

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:26:07 UTC No. 16385555

Anduril will buy ULA.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:26:11 UTC No. 16385556

>>16385553
Turning used centaur into a spacetug counts as recycle, but you are still one second stage short down the gravity well.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:27:24 UTC No. 16385557

>>16385551
>>16385547
porque no los dos?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:29:37 UTC No. 16385559

>>16385557
>los dos
>>16385522

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:29:44 UTC No. 16385560

If you missed the aurora last night, there's a (very) partial lunar eclipse going on right now

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:29:51 UTC No. 16385561

>>16385553
Yeah that's not a fully reusable rocket dude. How are you getting your payloads to space with your centaur which is... In space. You are describing a space tug, which still requires things to be yeeted into space by a rocket.

If we go all the way back to the original post here
>>16385516
You can see I was talking about a fully reusable rocket having Inherent mass penalties that make getting to high energy orbits incredibly difficult without refueling. That was the point of the post. You cannot have a fully reusable rocket and have it be high energy. You can only have one or the other.

All you did was say exactly what I said which is that refueling is needed for higher energy orbits, just in a different way lmao.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:30:03 UTC No. 16385562

>>16385555
The flame of the west? The sword reforged??

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:30:10 UTC No. 16385563

>>16385555
I know it's a joke, but is there anything ULA would even have for Anduril? Any employees they want from there, they can probably just recruit.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:30:31 UTC No. 16385564

>>16385556
It's ULA. The real problem was no first stage or booster reuse.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:30:46 UTC No. 16385565

>>16385559
kek

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:32:25 UTC No. 16385567

>>16385434
it's going to slow down a lot before they try to catch it
its initial speed is irrelevant at that point
they already got the last one to stop when it was falling to pieces
it'll be fine

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:32:56 UTC No. 16385568

>>16385564
It's the same problem that the old OTV plans had with the space shuttle. Centaur V/ACES is a good space tug but there's no cost-effective way to get fuel up to it.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:35:19 UTC No. 16385570

>>16385561
Yup as soon as I posted I realized you specified both in that post and I felt like a simpleton, and yes I was thinking of centaur being utilized as a space tug in this instance lol.
I agree with you then in everything you said. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. If you have some fully reusable + high energy system then it’s probably running on unicorn blood and fairy dust.
This is what Bruno tries to attack Starship for, calling it “LEO Optimized”

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:37:30 UTC No. 16385572

>>16385568
That's where the ULA space economy map comes in (not the "expendable launch vehicles" edit). The goal was to mine ice on the moon and NEAs, ship it to orbital depots, and use solar power to crack/chill to hydrologgs.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:39:32 UTC No. 16385575

>>16385572
They'll do absolutely anything to avoid refueling from a terrestrial source, won't they

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:40:52 UTC No. 16385576

>>16385520
More mass penalties

>>16385570
To be fair it is Leo optimized.

>>16385572
That's the best solution for orbital refill honestly but it's way too far off to matter in the near term. Ideally we would have a mass driver on the moon for even better cost savings on sending fuel to LEO.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:41:01 UTC No. 16385577

>>16385572
This just seems even more expensive / logistically annoying than trying to ship it up from earth

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:43:00 UTC No. 16385579

>>16385577
Earths Gravity well is just that much of a tyrant. It's genuinely way easier to send fuel from the moon to LEO than it is to send fuel from earth to LEO in terms of ∆v

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:49:23 UTC No. 16385584

>>16385579
For that you need to have ice mining outposts on the moon and water cracking refineries in orbit, as well as all of the transport infrastructure to make shipping raw materials between them economically viable, and have the Earthside budget and political support to maintain permanent off-world mining colonies. Building fucking Zeon is a bit of an ask when you're talking about a cheaper way to get payloads from LEO to GEO, especially when those payloads have yet to even try and exceed 10,000 kg. Launching a payload on an expendable rocket followed by launching a big kick stage on a second rocket of the same type will always be cheaper than ULA's space infrastructure dreams.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:54:03 UTC No. 16385586

>>16385584
Yeah that's what "ideally" means. It's not happening any time soon. Mass driver would be ultra cheap though if it could be built, but that requires high demand to justify and we aren't anywhere near that level yet.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:54:19 UTC No. 16385587

>>16385584
It seems Elon has traded all of that for just trying to chase cheaper launch costs. Hell even if there were magically huge carbon deposits on the Moon, the fact that SS runs on methalox means it’s probably still easier to just pump natural LNG on earth and send it up on a giant rocket optimized for as low of cost as possible than to try and ISRU it on the Moon. Maybe.
If Starship ran on hydrolox would it be cheaper to just land crackships on the Moon and get that back to LEO vs trying to send it up from Earth? Bezos is committed to hydrolox upper stages and he’s playing around with what might end up being a NG Starship-like clone. Wonder if this is an avenue he would ever explore, or if it would even be worth exploring

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:57:14 UTC No. 16385589

>>16385584
>lunar colonies and resource extraction at scale in order to support oldspace-style objectives
It's like that godawful Ad Astra movie

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:58:21 UTC No. 16385590

>>16385587
>Hell even if there were magically huge carbon deposits on the Moon
There will be. Every time we look a little harder, there's more carbon and more water.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:02:16 UTC No. 16385593

>>16385587
Moon can support methane ISRU. I remember angry boomer on yt reported on that back in june

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:05:56 UTC No. 16385596

>>16385541
This is why they hate Elon.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:07:22 UTC No. 16385598

With all the regulation lawfare against SpaceX, should Elon divest from American and move starship operations to China?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:07:50 UTC No. 16385599

>>16385598
Now you're just baiting.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:07:57 UTC No. 16385600

>>16385560
Thanks anon, had a look.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:11:48 UTC No. 16385602

>>16385560
oh I went outside and I thought the Moon looked a little weird, that explains it

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:14:21 UTC No. 16385604

Reminder, there is no trust between SpaceX and FAA. All non-sense about them having good relations is just deflection.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:14:29 UTC No. 16385605

>>16385560
>partial lunar eclipse
hehe no that was me sorry, I had a little bite
hehe sorry I got hungry

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:15:47 UTC No. 16385606

>>16385605

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:23:31 UTC No. 16385611

https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/17/why-united-chose-spacexs-starlink-to-power-its-free-wifi/
>Interestingly, United plans to get the actual retrofits done within two days — and may even be able to split this up into two parts, where the process starts while the aircraft is in base for one night, is suspended as the plane goes into flight for the day, then completed on the second night.
>As it turns out, the actual satellite terminal is much smaller and easier to set up than the ones United currently uses. “It’s another great example of where Starlink is pretty incredible. It’s really well-engineered. It’s a very simple product. It’s much simpler than what we already have on the airplane,” Jojo said. “The [satellite systems that use] geosynchronous orbits have moving parts inside. The antennas track the satellites as the plane is flying. Starlink doesn’t need that. There’s no more moving parts inside the Starlink modules. It’s very modular.”

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:40:29 UTC No. 16385624

>>16385443
>getting paid $32k to write some bullshit
how do we get in on this grift?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:41:03 UTC No. 16385625

>>16385611
great. now every other airliner fall in line and buy your starlink terminals. im sick of shitty airline wifi that costs like $20/hr to use

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:41:47 UTC No. 16385626

>>16385624
what color is your skin?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:41:52 UTC No. 16385627

>>16385624
Dye your hair pink and purple and make up some nonsense about how white people are responsible for all the world's suffering

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:42:42 UTC No. 16385628

>>16385625
Alaska wifi is free for me but still sucks ass. I'd love a Starlink upgrade.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:46:28 UTC No. 16385633

>>16385624
That's pocket change. Get into McKinsey and you can charge 4 million to say trash bags should be kept inside garbage bins.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:47:29 UTC No. 16385635

>>16385628
>we have an alaskan anon
Does someone have the 'nothing is beyond our reach' image?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:05:44 UTC No. 16385644

>2500 United planes turning on $10K starlink/m
$10,000 x 2500 x 12 = $300M per year deal

They were previously using Viasat or Hughes right? Thats a huge loss

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:10:20 UTC No. 16385647

>>16385644
>Currently, United is using a mix of four different providers — Gogo, Thales, Panasonic and Viasat

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:13:22 UTC No. 16385649

>>16385355
The fuel cost is like 500k vs the 15 mil of the upper stage of F9
It would be much cheaper
You dont seem to get the point of Starship, its going to be cheaper than even the smallest, shittiest smallsat launcher due to full and rapid reusability
The relative size to the station is irrelevant as well, starship cando stationkeeping while docked no problem

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:14:05 UTC No. 16385650

>>16385644
Is it really worth it for them to pay $300M per year to provide free wifi?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:15:17 UTC No. 16385651

>>16385644
Likely isnt their whole fleet, and they wouldve been able to negotiate a 'buy in bulk' deal of some sort. Real price is probably allot lower.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:16:42 UTC No. 16385653

>>16385364
Again, what matters is cost
How have people forgot the point of Starship? Its not that its a big launcher
Its big so its easier to fully reuse, thats it
Full reuse a d high cadence -> cheap

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:17:53 UTC No. 16385655

>>16385649
Why not a smaller rocket that is still fully reusable, costs less because it needs less fuel, and is appropriately sized for small space stations?

Instead of 500k for fuel it'd be like 10 times less because the rocket is smaller, resulting in even cheaper per seat cost for crew. Nova will be the future of crew transport IMHO.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:23:28 UTC No. 16385658

>>16385650
$10K/m per sat/plane is cheap for unlimited highspeed/low latency business class internet.

Imagine what they were paying for their old service providers for dogshit dialup tier internet, probably atleast 2X more.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:23:43 UTC No. 16385659

>>16385635
Alaska Airlines has like half the gates at SeaTac. Besides, Astranon was in the building at mission control for a few Alaska launches including LV0009.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:24:40 UTC No. 16385660

>>16385650
2500 is the total number of planes planned to install Starlink so far, so the $300 million is spread across several airlines.
>>16385651
https://united.mediaroom.com/2024-09-13-The-Inflight-Wi-Fi-Revolution-Now-Arriving-United-Signs-Starlink-Deal-to-Provide-Industry-Leading-Connectivity-in-the-Sky-For-Free
>United expects to have Starlink on all United aircraft – more than 1,000 planes – over the next several years. Testing begins in early 2025 with the first passenger flights expected later that year.
It's the entire fleet.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:29:23 UTC No. 16385663

I don't understand. It took Voyager 1 under two years to reach Jupiter. I understand that it needs to be travelling slower to enter Jupiter orbit, but these travel times are still so ridiculous. Instead of doing all these gravity assists, why not just launch at a slower velocity?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:29:54 UTC No. 16385664

>>16385502
They did diversify with the spacesuits but if you follow the model of subcontracting everything and lose money with every diversified business line yhen obviously that just loses you even more money

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:30:30 UTC No. 16385666

https://x.com/w_robinsonsmith/status/1836111950654378385
>During her update on Commercial low Earth orbit development at today’s NAC-HEO committee meeting, NASA’s Robyn Gatens shares the following slides regarding accomplishments and upcoming milestones from both funded and unfunded commercial stations:

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:34:49 UTC No. 16385667

>>16385535
There is a big difference between having a billion and having 100 billion
With the former you blow through it with a couple of crew dragon trips, with the latter you can keep up a couple of billions a year indefinitely just with the appreciation of zero risk long term bonds

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:36:43 UTC No. 16385669

>>16385542
Lmaooo
They are fucked, no way to turn this around in time even if they had the talebt (they dont)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:38:15 UTC No. 16385672

>>16385542
What government brainrot does to a person.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:40:31 UTC No. 16385674

>>16385542
I'm SHOCKED

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:41:32 UTC No. 16385675

>>16385659
unrelated but i hate namefags with a burning passion

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:42:51 UTC No. 16385676

>>16385604
Yep that felt like cope and muks being polite in the past hoping it wouldnt cone to this
They were slow and incompetent before, they are openly hostile now (motivated by partisan politics)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:43:46 UTC No. 16385678

>>16385666
>no axiom
its over

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:46:46 UTC No. 16385683

>>16385655
Because doing full reuse on a smaller rocket is extremely difficult
Maybe stoke works out, who knows, but they are doing very non conventional things with the pseudo aerospike/active heatshield

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:51:41 UTC No. 16385689

>>16385683
Regen cooling has been done with engines for decades. I don't see how doing it with a heat shield is somehow super risky or unconventional.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:52:51 UTC No. 16385690

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:55:12 UTC No. 16385691

>>16385676
>so it has cone to this
Elon installs VLC.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:55:18 UTC No. 16385692

>>16385690
Absolute mogging. They're delaying Starship because SpaceX could very well do 99% in the coming years

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:56:11 UTC No. 16385694

>>16385689
You dont see how a pseudo aerospike is unconventional
Lol

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:57:27 UTC No. 16385695

Musk also called for the firing of the leadership of the FAA

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:57:48 UTC No. 16385696

Saarliner status?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:58:08 UTC No. 16385697

>>16385695
*static firing booster engines at

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:58:46 UTC No. 16385698

>>16385678
I wonder if she put SpaceX in there so she could say commercial EVA development is going well without mentioning Axiom. That or NASA always see Starship as the safe fallback despite not selecting SpaceX for the CLDP program. Otherwise there's no reason to put SpaceX update on the slide.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:01:25 UTC No. 16385700

>>16385694
>>16385689
And I'm not saying its bad, its very cool
Its just not guaranteed to work
The first stage of stoke is much more conventional with the retropripulsive booster landing shown to work with F9
Starship suoer heavy follows F9 and starship itself follows conventional capsule re-entry, though you could say a reusable heat shiel is still unproven tech wise
The bellyflop manue er was also unproven before spacex tested and demonstrated it, but not anymore

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:04:36 UTC No. 16385702

>>16385694
Sure, the aerospike is unconventional, but the heat shield definitely isn't that unconventional. The science of Regen cooling is well understood. All they are doing is applying it to a steel heat shield. I don't see any reason why the heat shield wouldn't work.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:06:02 UTC No. 16385704

>>16385691
mpvbros...

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:08:59 UTC No. 16385706

>>16385394
so basically what your argument is, New Glenn will win because Starship is going to fail

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:11:40 UTC No. 16385710

>>16385691
MPC-HC bros...

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:13:28 UTC No. 16385712

>interest rate change tomorrow
expect multiple companies to be throw against the ropes as their sources of funding immediately dry up

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:17:44 UTC No. 16385716

>>16385666
AHHHH VAST UPDATES ITS BEEN SO FUCKING LONG FINALLY
>6 trips
FUCK OFF SATAN DONT RUIN THIS FOR ME

>pdr complete
>pressure testing
>doubled employee count
>still set for q3-4 2025
>accelerating pace
>haven demo finally given date of q1 2025 and its integration
>testing of life support and structural capabilities soon
It is LOOKING UP BROS

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:18:03 UTC No. 16385717

>>16385690
That reminds me, SpaceX already launched 87% of all mass to orbit in Q1 2024, just a little bit short of 90-91%, which would be almost an entire order of magnitude more than the rest of the world combined. Yeah, a single company launching ≈10 times more than everyone else combined. This kind of mogging is so absurd and insane that it's even difficult to put it in a different context to understand it.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:19:34 UTC No. 16385720

>>16385666
>>16385716
Look at the difference in filled space between the top and bottom. Vast and SpaceX have so many accomplishments under their belt and many future goals. Says more than enough of how CLD is going. And Vast was late to the game!!

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:21:29 UTC No. 16385723

>>16385712
the rate is expected to go down, which will make funding cheaper actually
whether this translates to investors seeing it as a positive or negative depends on the circumstances
interest rates cuts are good during normal times (cheaper capital), but bad if its actually a recession and the interest rate cut is seen as a way to deal with that (i.e. the unemployment rate has gotten so high that the FED is forced to cut interest rates even if the inflation rate goal has not been reached yet)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:21:30 UTC No. 16385724

>>16385717
Absolutely brutal, at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if every other commercial launch provider was lobbying the FAA/EPA to slow down SpaceX so they get a chance to compete.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:23:37 UTC No. 16385727

>>16385720
quintessential oldspace vs newspace
or everyone else vs SpaceX and its alumns

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:24:34 UTC No. 16385728

Elon sueing the democrat govt will sure help him when kamala arrests him

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:32:41 UTC No. 16385731

>>16385350
More like Oak Ridge bros where's my fucking plutonium

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:40:59 UTC No. 16385733

>>16385337
What zero plutonium does to a mfer

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:41:04 UTC No. 16385734

>>16385728
what do you expect him to do?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:44:44 UTC No. 16385735

>>16385717
>spacex/musk is a frau-
that pic is so powerful. literally the only thing you have to show to silence all skeptics and naysayers forever, that's it. it's impossible to deboonk, numbers don't lie.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:45:21 UTC No. 16385736

>>16385734
see >>16385708

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:48:48 UTC No. 16385738

>>16385735
>literally the only thing you have to show to silence all skeptics and naysayers forever
nope they dont care. EDS is a real thing. there's a whole reddit where all they do is continually rage about him in every single thread. even in space articles on ars they'll say they hate elon and want him to disappear forever.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:52:42 UTC No. 16385739

>>16385692
Falcon 9's unrelenting dominance plus the incredible feats of IFT4 really had to have jolted them into a panic. This must all seem so bizarre, sudden, and genuinely scary to them. Kek.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:53:25 UTC No. 16385740

>>16385736
if these people are anti-space, thats simply not going to work

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:58:49 UTC No. 16385744

>>16385738
those are just shills
who else cares enough spend all that time hating

Boeing is a weapons platform developer, military contractors are infamous for this shady bullshit in all fields not just spacefaring
they're used to lobbying, greasing palms, silencing whistleblowers, not being competent

that's why they think they can use a tiny vocal minority to sway things back in their favor
instead of putting up and making the necessary investments to compete

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:59:52 UTC No. 16385745

>>16385744
>who else cares enough spend all that time hating
Whoever is brainwashed adopts the default EDS programming. LMAO.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:05:12 UTC No. 16385749

>>16385740
>>16385736
let me make this clearer to you
Imagine you have been looking at how an industry dominated by the government is going for your whole young life, there has been no progress in decades
You decide to see if you can make it go quicker using different methods and you build a company to do this
You succeed massively and continue to succeed massively compared to the ongoing governmental and pseudo-govermental efforts.
Now there comes up a situation where there are people that think people in general should not be able to build or operate big companies at all, only government and pseudo-government activity is tolerated.
What you are suggesting is helping/submitting to the people that don't want you to be control of your company at all, or companies to be controlled by singular founders at all. Submitting and thus giving up control is akin to giving up the mission you started the company for in the first place, as the government and pseudo-government entities simply can't do what you do and if you cede control, progress stops.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:07:47 UTC No. 16385751

>>16385744
it goes way, way beyond shilling
Musk succeeding as radically as he has is a direct threat to their worldview in many cases and then you have a lot of people just following the herd (Reddit used to love Musk, now they hate him, in both cases most of the praise or criticism was similarly unreasoned or badly reasoned)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:27:17 UTC No. 16385759

>>16385696
Hiding under a shed, licking its wounds

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:29:05 UTC No. 16385763

TOTAL FAA DEATH

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:31:58 UTC No. 16385766

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836291019912216696

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:38:52 UTC No. 16385768

>>16385541
robo supereyes lfg swap em out scotty, I want the IR vision, the Radar vision, the UV vision, all of it at an insane resolution and have some kind of mind controlled zoom function. Unethical to take my eyes out? Oh well looks like they are going to have an accident with a kitchen knife and now you have to give me robot eyes :^)

cyborg bros

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:58:28 UTC No. 16385772

>>16385655
>Nova will be the future of crew transport IMHO.

I can certainly see it delivering a LOT for quite a while, I used to be type A but the government is fucking that up real bad. Going to be a long time before Starship gets man rated at this rate too. There is a lot of lunch to be eaten while SpaceXs limited starship launches are dominated by increasingly larger and heavier starlinks with almost no capacity for anyone else except the DoD. Exactly like it is now with Falcon 9. Amazon Kuiper is a great example, they are losing money at an astounding rate and would instantly scoop up every single launch at ~500k per 5t to LEO. They would probably do it for 100x that price. Then there is all the budding orbital manufacturing sector, how are they going to get their shit back? Are they really going to each design their own unique re-entry vehicle? Or will they just buy downmass from a Stoke launch that uses it's upper stage performance to do collections from multiple places before coming back. I'm pretty sure they won't be quibbling over Stoke pricing.

The problem with man rating stokes upper stage is that all that human bullshit is really heavy. Crew Dragon is 12.5t. I suspect a lot of this weight is absorbed within stokes upper stage. All the propulsion, propellant and guidance crap is already built into the upper stage and you lose the heatshield mass too. So a lot of weight off, but getting a 4 person capsule down to 5t? I mean, maybe?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:12:33 UTC No. 16385776

>>16385772
not to mention a LAS mode for the aerospike

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:12:46 UTC No. 16385779

you guys saw what happened with those pagers in Lebanon

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:21:56 UTC No. 16385782

>>16385717
Isn't most of the mass just starlinks? It's not that impressive in this case because Musk is artificially increasing the demand for Falcon launches. Competitors simply don't need to put as much mass into orbit, because demand is much lower.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:25:55 UTC No. 16385787

>>16385782
artificially? Starlink is destroying the other satellite internet providers, its not just pointless mass you retard

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:31:47 UTC No. 16385789

>>16385358
Simply ignore the Gateway.
Send up your own lunar orbital outpost.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:36:03 UTC No. 16385790

>china will be launching a re-entry capsule demonstrator early next month
what are we talking about here? what kind of "capsule"? like dragon or like varda?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:57:56 UTC No. 16385797

>>16385782
Starlink is a fucking money printer, not some dummy payloads

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:02:48 UTC No. 16385803

kickstarting your own self-sustaining space industry is good actually

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:07:59 UTC No. 16385808

>>16385663
The real difference in mass. Voyager 1 dry mass was about 720 kg. EC is 3240 kg. Flyby missions are aways very light, but they don't carry much scientific payload either.

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:18:15 UTC No. 16385811

>>16385782
Yes, most of the mass is for some dumb useless trash that is expected to bring in $6.6 billion in revenue this year, is nowhere close to customer saturation at the current constellation size

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:27:31 UTC No. 16385812

>starlink doesn't count because reasons!1
kek, based retard

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:33:41 UTC No. 16385816

>>16385772
Correcting myself, that is fully loaded+wet mass. Dragon dry mass is 7.7t. Once you lose the heatshield, engines, thrusters, electronics, batteries, piping, etc etc that's already in the upper stage, it's probably close to 5t. Hm, maybe it is doable. And you could have 7 seats in too like dragon was meant to. 500k divided by 7 people is 71k each. That's WAY affordable and if you have 7 people to downmass back to urf then the cost is just over 35k. That's nothing. Downmass capabilities are way underrated.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:42:28 UTC No. 16385822

>>16385666
Why is SpaceX there? They're not making a space station.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:43:06 UTC No. 16385823

>>16385822
yes they are
Starship is a space station

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:45:14 UTC No. 16385824

>>16385666
BOs module would be sweet if it wasn't BO doing it. I hoped Jeff would whip them into shape but after seeing him talk to Tim Dodd I really doubt it. Imagine taking those modules and stacking them 50 high, counterbalaced by another 50 spinning around. Jeff could do it if he wasn't gay.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:46:00 UTC No. 16385825

>>16385782
Starlink creates more revenue for SpaceX than others

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:05:36 UTC No. 16385833

Why isn't Elon investing in a Biosphere-like research project tailored towards testing a self-sustaining Martian habitat?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:08:25 UTC No. 16385835

>>16385833
Because there’s not a single good reason to justify spending time / resources on something like that at the moment?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:13:06 UTC No. 16385838

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-planted-explosives-hezbollahs-taiwan-made-pagers-say-sources-2024-09-18/

"The Mossad injected a board inside of the device that has explosive material that receives a code. It's very hard to detect it through any means. Even with any device or scanner," the source said.

The source said 3,000 of the pagers exploded when a coded message was sent to them, simultaneously activating the explosives.

Anoter security source told Reuters that up to three grams of explosives were hidden in the new pagers and had gone "undetected" by Hezbollah for months.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:16:25 UTC No. 16385840

> But the suits program sucked engineers and resources away from the station effort, and the passenger service to the ISS proved to be a money-hemorrhaging distraction, former employees said. “Turns out that there's not a lot of billionaires that want to set aside their life for 18 months to go train to be an astronaut for the ISS,” a former Axiom executive told Forbes.
similar stuff that has been happening with BO, they do 15 different projects simultaneously and nothing progresses

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:17:48 UTC No. 16385843

Not sure if this has been posted on /sfg/ yet, but it looks like Rocket Lab's Venus mission finally has a tentative launch date (December 30)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Life_Finder

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:19:38 UTC No. 16385846

>>16385843
>Venus Life Finder
>won’t find life
That’s why you keep missions names more neutral. Something like “Venus Life Investigator” would have been more appropriate

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:32:10 UTC No. 16385862

>>16385843
>atmospheric venusian entry probe based on Deep Space 2
>no camera
Mr. Beck wtf?! I respect the weekend warrior attitude of this mission, more of a “look how easy space can be, we are building this as a side project for cheap” but EVERY DESCENT PROBE NEEDS A CAMERA DAMMIT

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:41:46 UTC No. 16385872

>>16385840
It begs the question: how do you turn a profit in space?? Besides hunting for NASA contracts? If you compete for contracts and lose, you’re not seeing cash flow. If you invest in niche money-hungry ideas like new shepard/axiom training/bigelow commercial stations, obviously you’re not going to make money.
Whoever at SpaceX first proposed the idea of a satellite internet megaconstellation with a subscription-based model was an absolute genius. But not everyone can just copy this idea and expect to generate money. How the fuck are you supposed to start a business in this industry and turn a healthy profit, seriously

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:44:53 UTC No. 16385875

>>16385872
It certainly feels quite bleak for profitable business in space right now, BUT
>billionaires are prepared to throw tons of resources at the problem with only legacy on the line
>optimistically as rocketry and material science advances, more avenues for utilising space will open

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:58:13 UTC No. 16385883

>>16385624
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair
Do this.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:00:28 UTC No. 16385885

>>16385872
Technology & Manufacturing (produce and sell satellites, rocket vehicles or components like rocket engines)
Space Services (offer launch services, space tourism, space station operations for customers, space debris removal, space advertising)
Data & Imagery (earth observation, analytics i.e. cost analysis or insurance or logistics, space weather monitoring)
Comms (satellite communications, navigation systems for earth or moon/mars, space based broadband)
Resource utilization (space m*ning, orbital manufacturing, data centers/space based solar power)
Academic grift (NASA contracts, defense contracts, government-funded research)

All of these are either impossible unless you are the first mover, super fucking rich, lucky, or a sleazeball with academic/defense connections

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:04:29 UTC No. 16385887

>>16385872
if in-space manufacturing doesn't work out, I don't see many (or any really) industries working out
communication is obviously one but you covered it, earth imagining is going to stay very niche and its a crowded space
Space tourism requires very cheap launch, it might work out but depending on NASA as a anchor tenant before that doesn't seem to be working out
then you have the niches serving these industries (communication, manufacturing, tourism) but they are small relatively speaking
things like satellite buses, satellite components that are not whole buses, kick stages/space tugs

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:09:47 UTC No. 16385890

there is really no other killer app besides satellite broadband or cellular right now
whether manufacturing works out remains to be seen, depends how useful the variable gravity actually turns out to be

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:17:57 UTC No. 16385896

>>16385890
I never thought Falcon 9 would be doing rideshares. For a long time many people were questioning whether transporter 1 would ever happen. Now, I’m shocked at the amount of customers out there building payloads willing to launch. I ate crow there—and now I’m wondering if there is a market to BUILD custom missions?? Half these damn missions fail because the hardware is expensive and artisanal. One-off craft builds by inexperienced teams.
Rocket lab has a good idea trying to consolidate it and honestly I think their satellite service is a better business model than Neutron will be, but Neutron will probably eat into their running costs and kill them possibly. A company that does something like venus life finder demo, where you’re just reusing old hardware and R&D like deep space 2 and the repurposed AFN instrument design is neat. Just design a bunch of common instruments and do custom low-cost missions for universities and whoever these small LLCs are that keep doing rideshares. Just design your shit to launch on Starship

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:23:05 UTC No. 16385899

>>16385896
Plus NASA gives out gimmes, like asking RL to do ESCAPADE. You could swipe that right from under RL and start making money from those contracts as well. Any time NASA is tight on money but directed by congress to do XYZ anyways they would come crawling back to you

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:32:13 UTC No. 16385905

>>16385890
>there is really no other killer app besides satellite broadband or cellular right now
because everyone is on earth. we need to get them off the planet, but we cant because its too expensive. its a chicken and egg problem.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:35:50 UTC No. 16385906

>>16385890
The science community really should throw its full weight towards space observatories to REALLY figure out the laws of physics.
Think about it, an absolutely massive, ultra capable fleet of telescopes, planetary probes beyond our flagship mission dreams, and other novel science instruments in space is going to yield more science return that building another particle accelerator. These can now be done on the cheap, and the missions can be risk tolerant. Fuck around and find out.
Human missions have too much pucker factor, Im all into the robotic exploration missions, robot are NOT absolute fragile, afraid pussies, and with AI and high speed data, these missions should accomplish greatness.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:39:55 UTC No. 16385908

"In our defense, we were pretty wasted when we wrote this paper. Whippits and tequila is a bad mix."

B00T at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 10:54:29 UTC No. 16385914

no

Common

Normal of the human

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:00:09 UTC No. 16385915

>>16385906
with starship something like that might actually happen

B00T at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:00:39 UTC No. 16385916

>>16385914
One of my favourite ways to go about this is to have them build, and also suffer the smallest they can for the longest period of time, before TAKING what seems an enumerable amount more by tricking them with small things like a hidden referee switching the tides of an implemented war where they keep punishing each other for thousands of years. This is not really what my mind will produce, but it has this scent.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:13:08 UTC No. 16385921

>>16385833
FIRST
THINGS
FIRST

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:14:02 UTC No. 16385922

>>16385735
nah they will just pivot to how he's polluting LEO with junk satellites or something

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:36:55 UTC No. 16385925

Space is inherently racist because only whites posess the knowledge, willpower and willingness to devote oneself to a greater cause in order to achieve a space prescence. The only reason people of colour are even in space is due to the efforts of white people and being born and raised in a white country. Space is the white man's domain, and lower races can seethe and cope about it.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:39:06 UTC No. 16385926

>>16385443
just to let you guys know, it's real
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canadian-military-commissions-32000-report-on-how-space-is-racist-and-sexist

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:40:44 UTC No. 16385929

>>16385925
The "silent majority" absolutely agrees, but remain silent or actually vocalize opposition to this, because of intense peer pressure. We are literally held hostage and are forced to live a lie, or sacrifice everything. How the fuck did we get here?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:43:28 UTC No. 16385930

>>16385317
Is anyone here interested in space outside of spaceflight, space colonization and extraterrestrial life? I don't care what is the composition of Jupiter or Saturn, unless its about atmospheric mining, I don't care about the axis of Uranus. Dead matter is completely uninteresting to me unless it has some connection or usefulness for life.

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:44:55 UTC No. 16385931

>>16385929
>How
Jews. The answer is Jews. The answer to any question beginning "how", is always "Jews".

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:50:07 UTC No. 16385933

>>16385930
I do. I spend most of my time reading about space, watching videos about space, thinking about space. I'd imagine this general is mostly filled with rocket autists and people invested in SpaceX/etc. I don't really know much about all that, I just want more lander probes.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:50:08 UTC No. 16385934

>>16385931
The moar you notice.
We are not actually crazy, we are not becoming radicalized, we objectively have the evidence to prove with like 50 sigma significance this is happening before our very eyes, and cant do a damn thing about it. We need a hero at this point.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:54:59 UTC No. 16385939

>>16385448
I feel like there will be a resurgence in astrology when spaceflight becomes vastly more prevalent. Like with all the superstitious shit sailors had, but in space.

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:57:53 UTC No. 16385940

>>16385934
We are in dark times. We have been since 1946, when the semites rose to power in the West. But dark times don't last forever. Mankind is a machine, and we are all cells in a bigger organism. It is important to look after yourself as an individual and those you hold close, but we can all make a change for our people and our nations. We just have to wake up.

We are living in the most important times for spaceflight. We are the pioneers of space travel, which means we have an important mission. What we do now will decide the future for thousands of years. We may be villified today, but our descendants will remember us forever for our actions.

Niggers are only a symptom of the disease. Eliminate the Jew, and the rest of our problems will begin to solve themselves.
>This user was banned for racism.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:03:11 UTC No. 16385945

>>16385666
What is medium fidelity human in the loop tests?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:06:14 UTC No. 16385947

>>16385358
>Starship was not supposed to win HLS
Incredible, it was all just gonna be grift before SpaceX threw their hat in the ring

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:07:00 UTC No. 16385948

>>16385887
Does anyone remember the scene from the end of Gattaca where everyone goes to space in a business suit? Cause Space tourism will never take off until we reach that point as even if space launches are cheap most people aren't gonna be able to do it if you need months of training just for a short flight.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:07:03 UTC No. 16385949

>>16385945
Humans working on medium-fidelity hardware. Not medium-fidelity humans kek

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:07:28 UTC No. 16385951

>france will start building satellites that will be used to mark targets in LEO that are to be attacked by ground-based weapons
https://spacenews.com/france-kicks-off-space-surveillance-program-for-leo/

wtf

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:09:40 UTC No. 16385952

Chinese Researchers Say They Can Detect Stealth Aircraft Using Starlink Satellites

>As the South China Morning Post reports, the team used a DJI Phantom 4 Pro drone as a stand-in for such an aircraft for an experiment. Using a ground-based radar system, the team spotted the tiny drone thanks to the radiation emitted by a Starlink satellite, which was flying over the Philippines at the time.
>This idea is that when an aircraft passes between a satellite and an antenna back on the ground, it can scatter the satellite's electromagnetic waves — ripples that can be picked up by ground-based radar to identify targets.
>Thanks to the thousands of Starlink satellites that have been launched by SpaceX so far, scientists are now hoping to use disturbances in the high-frequency radio signals to track stealth aircraft.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-researchers-detect-stealth-aircraft-151746047.html

havent i seen something like this before?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:11:32 UTC No. 16385953

>>16385952
>china says
lemme guess, they can get a "track" that is about as fuzzy as a dog's ass.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:17:30 UTC No. 16385957

>>16385952
implessive

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:17:41 UTC No. 16385958

>>16385939
Swap the locations of the astrologer and the NASA fanboy.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:18:29 UTC No. 16385959

>>16385930
sometimes as trivia knowledge but not really anymore than any other obscure topic if I don't need to know something

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:20:49 UTC No. 16385962

>>16385925
Explain the chinese then.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:21:28 UTC No. 16385963

>>16385934
>We need a hero at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPZRb4_G7sc&ab_channel=mevuelvoalos80

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:22:17 UTC No. 16385964

>>16385962
Honorary aryans.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:22:55 UTC No. 16385967

>>16385964
That was the japanese

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:24:00 UTC No. 16385968

>>16385967
Japs need to launch more if they want to get the title back.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:24:28 UTC No. 16385969

anything going on today?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:24:31 UTC No. 16385970

>>16385962
Nature's most perfect mimic, they can replicate anything at slightly shoddier quality than the original.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:25:48 UTC No. 16385972

>>16385969
Electron and Long march launches. So no.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:26:33 UTC No. 16385973

>>16385962
The Chinese are inherent (baked into their DNA) collectivists. Everything they do is for national pride. They are also distrustful of and aggressive towards anyone who is not Han. Their entire culture revolves around them being the center of heaven. Therefore they must, because it is a mandate.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:27:44 UTC No. 16385974

>>16385969
Rocket lab launch, LM3B launch,

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:28:33 UTC No. 16385975

>>16385951
wouldnt the big brain asat play be to launch a configuration of large focus mirrors that can be used to target both satellites and interceptors?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:29:08 UTC No. 16385976

>>16385951
> French startup U-space will work with multinational missile supplier MBDA to develop a pair of satellites to demonstrate spacecraft detection, characterization and targeting. The program, known as Toutatis, includes a 12-unit “Spotter” cubesat and a smaller target cubesat.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:29:17 UTC No. 16385977

>>16385975
just attack at night lol.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:30:53 UTC No. 16385978

>>16385977
the idea is obviously to go further than leo so you have global coverage 24/7

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:32:43 UTC No. 16385979

https://x.com/ThierryBreton/status/1836364528402981166

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:36:43 UTC No. 16385980

>>16385542
>30 years at NASA
>800 workers by 22'
>nothing to do
Makes you wonder how much dead weight is hanging around NASA especially in places like JPL

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:18:30 UTC No. 16385993

>>16385979
With SpaceX being a private business, you can refuse service to anyone you want. Ergo you can refuse service to bureaucrats like this whos only plan is to regulate. SpaceX would also be operating on what is legal high seas, they could also likely lay claim to it themselves as current countries agreed to not to lay claim to other bodies in the 1967 Outer Space Treaty.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:25:38 UTC No. 16385996

>>16385993
he got fired

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:29:23 UTC No. 16386000

>>16385996
And? Slimy rats like that usually pick up jobs somewhere else anyways.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:30:28 UTC No. 16386002

>>16385973
It's outright bene gesserit population engineering, albeit not the result of an intentional project. The west is has most of its genetics coming from individualistic Germanic tribes and most of it's cultural roots coming from the Roman Empire, which was itself a huge weebpile for the highly individualistic Grecian city-states. Meanwhile, China's been living under some shape of centralized imperial dynasty for the last four thousand years which has endowed them with an instinctual reverence for authority. It's not gone on long enough for them to be considered a separate species, but it's getting there.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:30:38 UTC No. 16386004

>>16385979
A joke about regulating Mars from someone like this is no joke at all. Even if he has no authority anymore, sooner or later someone with authority will say the same thing and will not be joking

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:35:12 UTC No. 16386008

>>16385980
Not as much as the memes would lead you to expect, but way more than should be tolerated by any reasonable nation

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:42:34 UTC No. 16386014

>>16386002
The centralized government thing is very insane, it's no wonder they took to communism (and then immediately added 'Chinese characteristics), they've basically had the same form of government since the dawn of recorded history. It's also hindered them though, and my sixth sense is tingeling. I think the Chinese space program is going to start missing goals here soon.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:46:21 UTC No. 16386015

>>16385952
Yes, IIRC any long wavelength signal will work. I think it's also been done with TV broadcasts and even X-band weather radar. It was similarly received as "great, you have a signal shadow you still can't use to target anything, but at least you know a stealth plane is there". Russia pivoted pretty hard into thermal detection after that, as well as looking at some pretty interesting fisheye lens star trackers getting reused to detect high speed movement in visual wavelengths

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:50:50 UTC No. 16386019

>>16386015
You can blind fire after doing the math on the expected track vs speed, hoping the plane and pilot don't notice your launch (lol)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:03:13 UTC No. 16386023

>>16386014
China's done a very good job keeping their goals slow and incremental and they haven't had to deal with the megaprojects and chief designer drama that wrecked the Soviets. The safe bet when someone says that China is on the verge of implosion is to assume that China isn't going to implode. That said, the Chinese space program does rely on patronage from a stable central government and an economy that can afford to spend a lot of money on prestige projects. China's economy is a huge bubble built on top of even more gigantic bubbles and the flight of cheap manufacturing to places like Vietnam and India could easily take out the wrong load-bearing fund or institution. Also, Xi Jinping is 71 years old and his death or retirement is going to cause the kind of dynastic power struggle we haven't seen in China in a very long time.

MSR by 2028 and flags-and-footprints on the moon by 2029 is still safe bets, but the Xuntian space telescope and their outer planets probes have undergone a few rounds of schedule slippage. Anything further out that that should be regarded as speculative.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:04:29 UTC No. 16386026

>>16386004
>power exists
Wow. Deep, anon.

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:07:17 UTC No. 16386030

>>16386023
Space Race II is going to be fucking kino, bros.

But I worry about the west's ability to defeat the communists a second time around. We have been weakened by the Jew.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:08:30 UTC No. 16386031

>>16386023
> flight of cheap manufacturing to places... india
Lol, not happening. Expect ethiopia to industrialize before india does.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:10:27 UTC No. 16386032

>>16386031
Sadly a few industries are jumping. Some motorcycle companies are building their cheaper/smaller bikes in India. This works about as poorly as you'd expect and India's own Royal Enfield brand is both slow AND poorly made.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:12:50 UTC No. 16386033

>>16386026
>>power exists
Step 1: identify the problem
Step 2: remove the source of the problem

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:15:11 UTC No. 16386036

>>16386033
>anarchy will work this time bro trust me mars is different

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:17:41 UTC No. 16386037

>>16386036
>anarchy is me not being in power
wow, deep

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:25:30 UTC No. 16386042

>>16386015
>Russia pivots to IRST
>US paints their fighters with an awesome metallic coat
Thanks russia

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:32:10 UTC No. 16386044

https://x.com/nssdatta/status/1836362983678586882
>Slides for the Cabinet Briefing Live
>1. Soorya/NGLV - $988M - 96 Months for development
>2. Chandrayaan 4 - $252M - 36 Months for development
>3. Gaganyaan Follow up & BAS 1 - $2.4B (2028)
>4. Venus Orbiter Mission - $148M (Mar 2028)

India's funding things. They're even starting to name their rockets something other than acronyms.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:35:29 UTC No. 16386047

>>16386044

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:36:18 UTC No. 16386048

>>16386044
Is that 30 tons reusable?
And 3 stages on a reusable rocket is an interesting choice.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:37:29 UTC No. 16386051

>>16385400
>Clipper might be the spacecraft to discover extraterrestrial life, it might even be able to catch a microbe on ejecta if we're extremely lucky.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:38:20 UTC No. 16386053

the latest hit piece making the rounds
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4dnr8zemgo

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:38:33 UTC No. 16386054

>>16386048
I'm pretty sure that the 30 ton payload is for the expendable version with the SRBs

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:39:22 UTC No. 16386055

>>16386030
>muh joos!!
Go back >>>/pol/

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:39:36 UTC No. 16386056

>>16386054

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:40:47 UTC No. 16386060

>>16386053
Big whoop its the typical astroonomer bitching stop posting it

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:40:48 UTC No. 16386061

>>16386056

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:43:21 UTC No. 16386064

>>16386048
It makes sense to me. Regardless of how many stages you have, the first is the most expensive. It probably costs more than 2 and 3 combined. Plus one of the biggest short comings of reusable rockets is the low staging killing high energy payload mass. Adding a third stage mitigates that to an extent.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:44:49 UTC No. 16386065

>>16386053
the director of the astroonomer group

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:45:52 UTC No. 16386066

>>16386036
>remove malicious power
>"Oh noes, anarchy!"
You are a useful idiot and you will face the wall in the end.

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:50:50 UTC No. 16386068

>trump has been the target of a possible car bombing
they're not going to stop

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:53:25 UTC No. 16386069

>>16386068
was the car bomb in space? no? then fuck off back to >>>/pol/

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:54:44 UTC No. 16386071

>>16386069
Based

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:55:50 UTC No. 16386072

>>16386068
Not spaceflight fuck off >>>/pol/

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:55:56 UTC No. 16386073

>>16386069
What if it was in space?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:56:56 UTC No. 16386075

>>16386073
Its not so shut up retard

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:57:11 UTC No. 16386076

>>16386023
>China's economy is a huge bubble
They basically went from communism induced substance farming to a fully developed economy in the span of thirty years. The value associated with China increasing quickly is inevitable. What would even pop?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:58:54 UTC No. 16386078

>>16386023
>his death or retirement is going to cause the kind of dynastic power struggle we haven't seen in China in a very long time

Reminder: China’s current regime is the longest span of time it has been unified in its entire history.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 14:59:16 UTC No. 16386080

>>16386075
Yeah but what if it was?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:00:51 UTC No. 16386081

>>16386075
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:01:51 UTC No. 16386083

>>16386078
>unified
You forgot taiwan chang :)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:02:40 UTC No. 16386085

>>16386076
What else but real estate

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:02:46 UTC No. 16386086

>>16386078
The world shrank. The conditions are wildly different. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:03:44 UTC No. 16386087

>>16386083
I did.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:04:23 UTC No. 16386088

>>16386085
The real estate market is totally artificial there though. It was already on the brink and they just went in and fixed it.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:07:17 UTC No. 16386091

>>16386081
>make retarded
hypothetical
>person you're making hypothetical to doesn't give a fuck and won't waste his time with it
>y-you don't understand hypotheticals.
do you think women don't understand you when they ignore you as well? i get that nigs can't abstract into past, present and future but that doesn't apply here, your retarded hypothetical just got denied.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:09:19 UTC No. 16386092

>>16386091
>i-i-i can understand hypotheticals I'm just choosing not too!!!!!

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:10:53 UTC No. 16386093

>>16386092
>NOOOO IT'S NOT TRUE IT'S NOT TRUE MY FUNNY MEME MUST WORK
look, anon, i'm not even the anon you originally applied to, at this point you're just sour because people denied your request to discuss the /pol/ topic of the day.
just discuss spessflight.
what's your favourite Soyuz variant?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:13:14 UTC No. 16386095

>>16386093
lol i'm not the guy who posted the /pol/ thing either.
How would you feel if the shuttle was still flying?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:17:07 UTC No. 16386098

>>16386095
i'd probably feel no different because humans can only contrast bad with good.
there wouldn't have been any reason for commercial contracts and thus spacex would never have come into existence, we wouldn't have had the luxury of comparing the shittle with G.O.A.T spacex, and thus wouldn't have the knowledge that there is a better way.
back before spacex you could've likened it to asking a victorian era serf how he feels about dying because of simple diarrhea, "it's a part of life" he says.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:18:16 UTC No. 16386101

I’m not either of you guys
>>16386093
Who cares about soyuz variants the original r-7 is where it’s at. so pointy.
>>16386095
Depends on how high they could get the launch rate up post Columbia and if dragon still became a thing. I don’t hate shuttle as much as /sfg/ wants me to.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:21:15 UTC No. 16386102

>>16386068
>>16386069
>>16386073
>>16386075
>>16386080
>>16386081
>>16386091
>>16386092
>>16386093
>>16386095
>>16386098
>>16386101

>>16386101
all me btw

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:22:36 UTC No. 16386104

>>16386103
this is me

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:23:19 UTC No. 16386105

>>16386104
FAIL!

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:23:37 UTC No. 16386106

>>16386104
FUCK

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:24:25 UTC No. 16386107

>>16386104
Now you look like an idiot

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:24:38 UTC No. 16386108

>>16386102
>>16386104
>>16386105
>>16386106
i am none of these people

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:26:13 UTC No. 16386109

>>16386109
WHO IS THIS?

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:29:36 UTC No. 16386112

who am I

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:33:47 UTC No. 16386119

/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

Schizophrenic Dissociation Edition

Previous - >>16386119

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:36:06 UTC No. 16386123

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:38:48 UTC No. 16386125

>>16386053
Just launch a telescope into orbit? What's the issue here

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:39:03 UTC No. 16386126

>>16386119
Clever, if only it wasn't a 2 posts per minute board.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:41:13 UTC No. 16386127

>>16386125
just put my greasy cock in your balls

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:43:49 UTC No. 16386129

>>16386125
Space telescopes are expensive and hard. But really the solution is to tell astronomers to shove it.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:44:57 UTC No. 16386131

Eutelsat buys H3 flights
https://x.com/MHI_GroupJP/status/1836323408302473479

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:47:50 UTC No. 16386137

>>16386131
Nice to see MHI getting some work
Hopefully this funds something reusable

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:48:48 UTC No. 16386138

>>16385596
Yes, they hate Elon because he is good and they are evil.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:51:29 UTC No. 16386142

>>16386053
Musk should get a few children and women in Cameron or some other African countries to write a rebuttal in full newspeak, accusing the Europeans of imperialism.
>Netherlands
Get the Congolese in as well and demand reparation of the institute's entire budget for the next ten years.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:55:38 UTC No. 16386146

>>16386142
>netherlands
>congolese
anon...

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:56:22 UTC No. 16386148

>>16386131
Are any of these satellites actually mass limited by F9's 8300kg limit to GTO? Just add a baby kick stage.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:56:42 UTC No. 16386149

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXyO62nVOs

Watching this video on Gravity Probe B just left me in awe of how complicated the whole fucking thing is. Every solution introduces more complications and they just keep piling on more and more complex solutions to those. Rube Goldberg himself would tell you to stop bullshitting at some point, but it just keeps going after that.

Of course, they fucked it up because it would be impossible to do all that crazy bullshit correctly in one go and the results they got were garbage.

Bravo!

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:59:26 UTC No. 16386150

I wish that type F and G stars weren't so short-lived. CRI 1 or bust.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:01:35 UTC No. 16386154

>>16385605
lunar and solar eclipse are literally MOON EAT and SUN EAT in both Chinese and Japanese

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:05:52 UTC No. 16386156

>>16385611
>Jojo

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:10:25 UTC No. 16386162

>>16385650
It's like a dollar or two per ticket. Of course passengers would be willing to pay that.

Soon not offering free high speed satellite wifi on flights will mean they would have to significantly cut prices to stay competitive with airlines that do, and by a lot more than $2 per ticket.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:12:15 UTC No. 16386164

>>16385628
I have shitposted on /sfg/ over the Pacific on free EVA wifi, but it's limited to 1 hour per flight and the connection is not good.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:13:30 UTC No. 16386167

>>16385675
based hater of evil

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:18:07 UTC No. 16386177

>>16385872
hope Elon succeeds and sell space station parts, space suits, supplies for fucking around on mars or private spacecraft

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:20:42 UTC No. 16386179

>>16385883
>Included among the articles that were published [was] a part of a chapter of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf rewritten in feminist language
impressive, very nice

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:25:05 UTC No. 16386187

>>16385962
Terrible example. Their program is based on Soviet technology.

Before you say that the American and Russian programs were based on the German program, yes, that is exactly the point.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:28:44 UTC No. 16386192

>>16386187
But all of those nations have progressed beyond who they got their tech from. Both the americans and russians far exceed the A-4 and the chinese have long since surpassed the russians.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:28:58 UTC No. 16386193

>>16386053
man will never be free until the last astronomer is strangled to death with the guts of the last journalist

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:47:52 UTC No. 16386210

>>16385926
>BLACK
>SKIES
>MATTER

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:52:01 UTC No. 16386214

>>16386127
what?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:53:47 UTC No. 16386216

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836429745883615691
>The regulatory state, which is oppressing progress, and the use of lawfare against individuals and companies have grown tremendously under this administration. There is no chance of getting humanity to Mars, unless there is regulatory reform.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:06:18 UTC No. 16386233

>>16386216
Crazy to watch a figure like Elon get redpilled at 54. Maybe by the time he's 70 he'll learn to hide his power level

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:10:00 UTC No. 16386239

>>16386233
By the time he's 70 there won't be a need to.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:10:38 UTC No. 16386240

>>16386233
Facebook is full of people like that

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:21:45 UTC No. 16386247

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836455257993548059

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:22:48 UTC No. 16386249

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836454253713592516

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:24:34 UTC No. 16386250

>>16386233
>redpilled
All he does is whining about migrants and the 'woke" without addressing its cause. Yes, he's right, but he won't change anything just by noticing stuff on twitter.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:27:30 UTC No. 16386255

>Senators write Vice President Kamala Harris over her mismanagement of a $42 billion program to expand Internet.
>After 1038 days “not a single person has been connected to the internet using the $42.45 billion.”

Where did 42 billions go?

https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1836435062994121053

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:28:42 UTC No. 16386258

>>16386250
The difference between him and any other given middle-aged man is that nearly 200 million people follow his account, which distributes the noticing a little more than it usually would.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:31:01 UTC No. 16386261

>>16386255
Trusted internet partners, who then donate a % of that to her campaign

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:31:32 UTC No. 16386262

>>16386255
Is the vice president typically the one to blame for this kind of thing?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:32:02 UTC No. 16386264

>>16386216
I wonder when they'll start trying to claim "Lawfare" is an alt-right dog whistle.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:32:12 UTC No. 16386265

>>16386053
>astroonomers
their punishment must be more severe

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:33:58 UTC No. 16386269

>>16385537
The question you should be asking is. Why would Jeff pay one as 1.00 United States Dollar for ULA?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:34:18 UTC No. 16386270

>>16386069
>was the car bomb in space?
all physical objects are in space, where else could they be?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:35:07 UTC No. 16386272

>>16386255
This is a running theme.
>california high speed rail, millions spent zero rail laid over 20 years
>money to combat homelessness "disappears"
>millions to install electric vehicle chargers and only 6 ever get installed
>billions spent on "connecting rural neighborhoods" but no one ever gets connected

It's fraud. that money is going into people's pockets. The government is corrupt. Welcome to the real world.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:35:59 UTC No. 16386273

>>16386249
>>16386247
Nobody reads this shit anymore. Spamming musk tweets is garbage on par with spamming spitter randoms and EDSfags.
>>16386258
And why the fuck is noticing the most important thing to you in spaceflight general? Shut the fuck up you retarded election tourist get the fuck off this board

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:36:46 UTC No. 16386275

>>16386262
When the president has about as much ability to lead as a tapioca cup and the whole nation is being managed by a cabal of court eunuchs, yes

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:36:47 UTC No. 16386276

>>16386273
gtfo wannabe janny

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:38:19 UTC No. 16386279

>>16386150
>CRI 1 or bust.
what is that

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:39:13 UTC No. 16386281

>>16386272
Inefficiency is the American word for corruption

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:40:53 UTC No. 16386282

>>16386255
He keeps claiming this but Spectrum has started connecting people. I hope he gets good money from Elon

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:41:35 UTC No. 16386284

>>16385666
Does she explaine why we need to waste time with permanent manned Leo?
Pop up in a StarShip take some photos and land.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:43:42 UTC No. 16386286

Constant FAA seethe is just off topic political talk disguised as spaceflight. Yes we all dont like regulation of space but trying to blend in with the regulars and sneak in 'vote Trump Kamala bad' every fucking chance you get more annoying and alienate the people youre trying to influence. Just discuss spaceflight and stop trying to insert your shit election politics INTO EVERY FUCKING HOUR OF THE DAY HOLY SHIT ITS DAY IN DAY OUT AT ANY POINT WE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT FAA AND TRUMP AND KAMALA BAD AND MUSK JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR ONCE WE HAVE HEARD IT OVER 1000 TIMES AT THIS FUCKING POINT DISCUSS FALCON 9 STARSHIP ANYTHING BUT REGULATIONS AND POLITICS FUCK SAKE I COME HERE TO NOT LISTEN TO THAT FOR A FUCKING REASON THIS ISNT THE POLITICAL BOARD

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:45:07 UTC No. 16386287

>>16386255
Kamala harris has been the worst president ever

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:45:56 UTC No. 16386288

>>16386286
You'll hear it until the election, only another 2 months.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:46:53 UTC No. 16386290

>>16386288
I know. Thats the worst part.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:47:40 UTC No. 16386292

>>16386286
calm down

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:48:09 UTC No. 16386293

>>16386286
In another life, I would have really liked just talking about IFT-5 and -6 with you.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:49:18 UTC No. 16386296

> giant impact theory of the Moon's origin btfo
Its over for Theiafags

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:49:46 UTC No. 16386298

>>16386293
So you admit youre just here to shill your candidate

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:50:26 UTC No. 16386299

>>16386293
to think we could be waiting for flight 6 right about now if not for the KAMALFAA

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:50:39 UTC No. 16386300

>>16386078
Dang, seriously?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:50:46 UTC No. 16386301

>>16386296
I saw an Anton Petrov video on this, worth watching? I havent given it a go yet.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:50:53 UTC No. 16386302

>>16386286
I’m over here thinking about the fire that broke out on Mir

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:51:09 UTC No. 16386303

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:51:23 UTC No. 16386304

>>16386298
Calm down. I'm not even American.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:53:23 UTC No. 16386305

>>16386301
long story short the moon is a planet that earth captured and made into her little pet. Gaia has been a lesbian couple with the moon ever since.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:53:27 UTC No. 16386307

>>16386301
>I saw an Anton Petrov video on this, worth watching?
>not reading the linked paper and saving time

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:54:19 UTC No. 16386308

>>16386031
Some pharmaceutical and pharma precursor production has been outsourced to India for some god-forsaken reason. So you end up with mind-boggling stories like FDA inspection teams finding workers in clean rooms running around barefoot or inspectors straight up getting poisoned when they try to mount a surprise inspection of a lab.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:54:50 UTC No. 16386309

>>16386286
Space is political

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:55:21 UTC No. 16386311

>>16386300
Of course not. Most of those unified ancient dynasties lasted two centuries.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:55:24 UTC No. 16386312

>>16386296
Proofs?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:56:29 UTC No. 16386315

>>16386286
You sound like you vote blue.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:58:23 UTC No. 16386316

>>16386296
There has always been a significant minority of scientists who were unsatisfied with le giant impact, even though popsci queers acted as if the question was completely settled

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:58:34 UTC No. 16386317

>>16386286
That's a valid opinion but you need to understand that it's 100% wrong. All caps doesn't make you louder either it just make you sound like a faggot, so don't that either

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:00:22 UTC No. 16386320

>>16386303
The moon needs to be sealed up and terraformed

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:00:48 UTC No. 16386321

>>16386315
seems pretty clear as he goes ballistic only after certain type of comments

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:01:46 UTC No. 16386327

>>16386286
AHEM

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:05:26 UTC No. 16386330

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:05:59 UTC No. 16386332

>>16386320
We should do this!

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:06:01 UTC No. 16386333

>>16386316
what else has pop sci lied to me about? Are aliens real?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:06:44 UTC No. 16386334

>>16386311
>dynastic periods were free from internal wars

Go look at their list of wars. This is the longest period of time China has gone without fighting itself.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:07:00 UTC No. 16386335

>>16385350
>>16385731
kek

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:08:13 UTC No. 16386337

>>16386286
>FAA is responsible to allowing space flight in the USA
>FAA doesn't something shitty, hampering space flight
>People shit on FAA
>"OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC !!1!!!"

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:08:13 UTC No. 16386338

>>16386286
Nobody asked. Maybe tell your commie pals to stop interfering with spaceflight and it will stop.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:08:23 UTC No. 16386339

>>16385400
I hope this shit analyses water ejected by big gaysers

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:08:49 UTC No. 16386341

>>16386332
Put elevators in the core of the trunks

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:09:18 UTC No. 16386342

>>16386315
If he's the polaris dawn spongebob-poster he's probably some euro zoomer

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:11:09 UTC No. 16386344

>>16386334
Not for long *invades Taiwan*

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:13:12 UTC No. 16386350

FAA = Females Against Astronautics

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:13:22 UTC No. 16386351

>>16386344
There’s a pretty big Taiwan political faction which favors reunification. If the current regime holds, they may not need a war.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:13:46 UTC No. 16386352

>>16386333
The simplest self replicating molecule would require the spontaneous emergence and correct arrangement of roughly 100 different proteins. Studies have shown that the chances go down an order of magnitude for every protein you add. Let's say the chances of life emerging are 10^-50 per year per world with ideal conditions. Every star in the observable universe could have a planet with ideal conditions for a billion years and life still may not emerge. The speed of light and the chances of life did not collaborate to make star wars real. It's more likely that for every volume of space observable by life there is a million times more that will be empty forever. There are no aliens. There will never be any aliens.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:15:03 UTC No. 16386356

>>16386344
If China wanted to invade Taiwan, they could do that today, but they're clearly aiming for a peaceful reunification.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:15:33 UTC No. 16386357

>>16386341
>ywn stroll across the lunar sky

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:15:39 UTC No. 16386358

Yutu-2 is still operating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atzkzicff_8

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:16:03 UTC No. 16386359

>>16386334
>China’s current regime is the longest span of time it has been unified in its entire history.
That's categorically false. And I can definitely find a 80 years period in their pre-1949 history that was internally peaceful.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:16:33 UTC No. 16386360

>>16386356
>peaceful reunification
>Taiwan and China
kek

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:16:39 UTC No. 16386361

>>16386351
You leave out that that faction wants reunification by overthrowing the CCP.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:17:55 UTC No. 16386362

>>16386360
Fiery but mostly peaceful reunification.
It will go like Hong Kong protests. Lots of strong words from the west but no action.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:17:59 UTC No. 16386363

>>16386359

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:21:02 UTC No. 16386365

>>16385337
What's the point of comparing things to something that hardly anyone has seen in person. I have no idea how big the statue looks irl

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:22:37 UTC No. 16386367

>>16386352
Damn. Gonna have to inform the big guy that he isn't real next time I get sleep paralysis then.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:22:47 UTC No. 16386368

>>16386361
The KMT? Their official stance is that the CCP is in charge.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:23:08 UTC No. 16386369

>>16386368
Okay chang.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:25:04 UTC No. 16386371

>>16386367
>schizoposting
We aren't even on page 1 wtf

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:31:24 UTC No. 16386378

>>16385443
These dudes thinking they live in Shadowrun

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:33:18 UTC No. 16386382

/sfg/ - sino fanfiction general

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:34:49 UTC No. 16386384

>>16386288
coincidentally, the EXACT same amount of time the FAA stopped launches for
could it be they didn't want successful launches of the biggest rocket ever made from an advocate of their rival to sway people

>>16386286
spacefaring has literally ALWAYS been political
did you think the Cold War spacerace was about advancing science

no, it was about intimidating their rivals with the threat of ICBMs and propagandizing their constituents with the idea of "progress"
as soon as the political need dried up, so did the program

it really is that simple

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:38:25 UTC No. 16386391

>>16386371
your problem is forgetting that life only needs to form once to be spread across the galaxy. even with astronomically bad odds.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:39:33 UTC No. 16386393

>>16386296
yeah, we've known that's true for a while

there's very good evidence that the moon has actually grown in size over time, because some of the areas on it's surface are relatively free from impact craters while others are heavily potmarked

this suggests that those first areas are literally newer than the former, and the moon is slowly expanding and could be geologically active

>>16386305
yeah but why the fuck did it ring like a bell for hours when we hit it
that's the kind of shit that makes people think it's some kind of hyper advanced monitoring station or terraforming project

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:39:41 UTC No. 16386394

>>16386352
Wrong! There are fungi like organisms on mars. curiosity rover photographed them.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:42:26 UTC No. 16386397

>>16385735
Doesn't work like that unfortunately. Posted that pic, guy just says it's made up. Okay, here's a list of all launches from this year
>uhhh look up how statistics work
I never figured out what he was even trying to say with that, but yeah basically he was 100% sure he is correct even when you showed the contrary. It was all either just fake, or skewed numbers

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:42:31 UTC No. 16386398

>>16386391
Well that's even easier to disprove because nothing is happening nearby.
>>16386394
Anything found on Mars will be from Earth. Possibly the other way around. But the processes there do not scale

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:45:08 UTC No. 16386402

>>16386398
>Well that's even easier to disprove because nothing is happening nearby.
*that we know of*

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:46:34 UTC No. 16386405

>>16386397
Oh yeah I forgot, if you say anything good about SpaceX you're just doing it because you're a Musk fanboy, even if nobody has even mentioned that guy besides them. They're so anti-Musk, that in their head you must just be sucking Musk's dick. You're just talking about rockets, but they can't stop thinking about Elon Musk. It's pretty interesting to observe

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:48:54 UTC No. 16386410

>>16386405
Don’t forget the classic “elon musk’s companies are set up to keep his as far out of the loop as possible. They run in spite of him, not because of him”

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:49:20 UTC No. 16386411

>>16386393
>there's very good evidence that the moon has actually grown in size over time, because some of the areas on it's surface are relatively free from impact craters while others are heavily potmarked
link me up

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:53:01 UTC No. 16386417

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:59:08 UTC No. 16386421

>>16386384
>mumumumumu has ALWAYS been political
this is the sentence /pol/niggers use to insert their endless whining into every nook and cranny of 4chan.

yes, literally anything and everything having to do with humanity is either directly or indirectly linked with politics in some way, that's not an excuse for you to fill up literally EVERY SINGLE discussion space with fucking political conversations.
there's a board for that, it's called fucking /pol/ everyone who wants to talk about politics for 6 hours straight should go make threads there instead of whining about it here.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:00:11 UTC No. 16386424

>>16386393
>>16386411
wrong and stupid

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:00:19 UTC No. 16386425

>>16386361
I am in strong support of Large Taiwan.
It's kind of how I expect US/China conflict to end anyway. Taiwan, the local US client state exerting control over useful manufacturing centers like Shenzhen, while the rest of mainland/interior China is provoked/encouraged by classical CIA tricks to splinter apart and stay preoccupied with infighting. I yearn for the kino of a modern day Warring States period.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:00:45 UTC No. 16386426

>>16386421
Thank fuck atleast its not just me. Im so sick and tired of these election tourists ruining this general that Im having genuine spergouts because they ruin my hobby

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:02:52 UTC No. 16386428

>>16386393
>Geological activity means its expanding
Have you been IQ tested?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:02:54 UTC No. 16386430

>>16386426
mind you, i'm pissed off about the regulatory lawfare too, and i don't agree with it.

but quite frankly, we've had like 2 threads now that has been NOTHING but talking about that shit and then slowly shifting more and more to tangential topics like the election rather than actual spaceflight related shit. at some point i just get fucking tired of it.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:03:07 UTC No. 16386431

>>16386425
Can you two stop talking about Taiwan and China's geopolitics this is obviously not spaceflight and obviously political. How about this, discuss how Taiwan could make a counter station to Chinas Tiangong and maybe some Taiwanese startups that are looking to do something like that?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:04:06 UTC No. 16386433

>>16386421
Hey when are you going to bitch about the off topic China discussion going on right now, or is your TDS not going to let you?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:07:05 UTC No. 16386434

>>16386410
Yeah he just provides funding for his companies, with the billions that just appeared out of nowhere and not from running successful companies. He's just winning the lottery over and over by accidentally owning another successful business. Or then he's just a conman scamming the government out of money, but I'm not sure if anybody still has figured out what the con actually is

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:07:11 UTC No. 16386435

>>16386430
EXACTLY yes I said this earlier in that all caps one but we all hate regulation and osbtruction of SpaceX but its been used as an excuse to constantly discuss nothing but politics by election tourists, THEN they misconstrue me as some psycho bureaucrat when I just have heard this same exact message 1000 times over in the last week and its BEEN annoying for that long. They do it so they can 'justify' continuing the offtopic discussion by making it so that anyone who wants the general to stay about spaceflight and not politics is some insane monster that you shouldnt listen to. Its an obvious tactic.
>>16386433
He >>16386421 is not me >>16386431 >>16386286. I did it for you already

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:08:09 UTC No. 16386436

>>16386421
>>16386426
>>16386430


i swear to god these faggots that say spessflight is political therefore they should be able to discuss every fascet of american politics instead of spaceflight in this general are probably the exact same culprits behind the ICBM spergout we had a little while back.
probably all election tourists who overstayed their welcome and now feel entitled to talking about politics 24/7 because they haven't gotten a slap on the wrist for it yet.

i'm not saying never ever discuss politics 1984 style but fucking hell can we keep it to a minimum?

>>16386433
hey faggot, guess what i and other anons are already doing
>y-you told me to stop talking about politics therefore i assume you have TDS
i have neither TDS nor EDS now shut the FUCK up you fucking newfag.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:11:07 UTC No. 16386442

>>16386436
That ICBM spergout had to 100% be bots theres no other way to explain 500 straight posts with some repeats. I dont know if they sent GPTs or something but holy fuck that was absolutely awful. And see they call you TDS or something else like I said they misconstrue you so they can continue shitting up the general.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:11:44 UTC No. 16386443

>>16386435
there are more posts about you whining than post talking about the FAA at this point (and almost generally too)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:12:57 UTC No. 16386446

this is probably all because of that one fucking vermin that spammed links to /sfg/ on /pol/ and insisted that flooding it with reddit transplants directly from the worst board on this site was healthy for this place.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:13:51 UTC No. 16386447

>>>/r9k/78854021

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:14:04 UTC No. 16386448

>>16386393
>yeah but why the fuck did it ring like a bell for hours when we hit it
>that's the kind of shit that makes people think it's some kind of hyper advanced monitoring station or terraforming project
>it vibrated therefore hyperborea
Are you retarded

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:15:03 UTC No. 16386449

>>16386442
you underestimate user autism, anon. 2 retards locking their retard beams can cause extreme stubbornness where they argue for literal hours.
>>16386443
rightfully so, it's been going on for a while and it's not surprising anons are starting to vent their frustration.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:16:20 UTC No. 16386452

>>16386436
SpaceX just sued the FAA after the admin used it against them. There's reasonable cause for politics right now

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:16:45 UTC No. 16386454

I'm pretty sure bitching about the FAA has been a tenet of /sfg/ culture for a long while.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:17:03 UTC No. 16386455

>>16386449
FAA being shit has been talked about for years faggot but now when there is undeniable evidence you want people to stop talking about it?
lol, lmao even

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:18:05 UTC No. 16386456

quick someone post that picture of Starship crashing into FAA

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:19:05 UTC No. 16386458

Bloody hell I hope SpaceX has enough money in their slush funds to grease palms out of this one bros.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:19:44 UTC No. 16386460

>>16386452
yeah this happened LAST FUCKING THREAD NIGGA move on.
i probably have the EXACT same opinion on it that you do but quite frankly it's been discussed to death by now and you can see this stage's trajectory is veering dangerously off course because fags are starting to discuss everything tangential or even completely unrelated E.G the china taiwan mumbling.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:19:50 UTC No. 16386461

>>16386454
>>16386455
Not for weeks on end you braindead retard thats all these fucking threads have been of you retards. Did you not read that people are complaining that you do it incessantly in every thread for weeks on end? Heres his post in case you missed it >>16386436
>i'm not saying never ever discuss politics 1984 style but fucking hell can we keep it to a minimum?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:20:05 UTC No. 16386462

>>16386421
>>16386426
your hobby subject has been propaganda and weapons R&D from the start
no, not everything humans do is political
but this is definitely one of them

you might think of this as a hobby, but this is /sci/, not /tg/ or /toy/
very serious buisness, and pretending politics and warfare are irrelevant to this matter is highly naive
cope and seethe

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:20:53 UTC No. 16386464

>>16386461
yes for weeks

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:21:31 UTC No. 16386466

>>16386434
>I'm not sure if anybody still has figured out what the con actually is

Ok I’ll explain it. It’s a pretty complicated work, but here it is:

>Elon is providing a service of value at reasonable pricing.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:21:58 UTC No. 16386467

can I get a QRD on the "ICBM spergout"

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:22:11 UTC No. 16386469

>>16386460
topics get discussed over multiple threads sometimes, why are you so unhinged about this particular topic (such as the commercial space stations have been discussed for like the past week)
curious

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:23:21 UTC No. 16386472

>I have been forgotten

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:23:40 UTC No. 16386473

>>16386462
>no not everything humans do is political
actually virtually everything we do can be quantifyably related to politics.
>but this is one of them
yep, and we've already talked about it from here to pluto's fucking apoapsis, but you seem angry that there's pushback and you want to constantly turn every single goddamn conversation into a political one because you are OBSESSED with politics and probably only have a passing interest in spaceflight.
>cope and seethe
sounds like projection.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:24:27 UTC No. 16386474

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:25:05 UTC No. 16386477

>>16386467
a bunch of tourists ruined half of a thread by filling it with their dick-measuring contest over which nuclear power had the biggest nuclear chad dick and which one was cringe and super not based.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:25:10 UTC No. 16386478

>>16386472
Is this a spaceplane or something

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:25:42 UTC No. 16386480

VTOL same as Falcon9

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:26:55 UTC No. 16386484

only oldfags remember this fateful day

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:27:35 UTC No. 16386485

>>16386477
Dont forget the other thread filled by two dutch queers who got that thread deleted with how much they kept on going.
>>16386480
Are the /k/ommandos going to ruin this thread again?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:28:19 UTC No. 16386487

>>16386431
>How about this, discuss how Taiwan could make a counter station to Chinas Tiangong
Taiwan is even less space-capable than Japan, but the idea is laughable for other reasons.
They have suborbital rockets, but developing anything orbit-capable (and therefore an ICBM) would be too great a provocation towards China. So they could build the parts of a station, but striking a long-term agreement with another nation or large company to launch and service the station would, in itself, also be crossing the line with China. A Taiwanese space station requires Taiwanese rockets and/or effective foreign recognition of Taiwan. No country with a space program or company capable of launching this theoretical station is willing to make such an overt move against the CCP because it WOULD result in WWIII.
I expect the postwar spaceflight scene in Asia to be really neat, but we're kind of stuck waiting on the DoD being satisfied with domestic microchip manufacturing ability/stockpiles before they tell the glowies to get the ball rolling.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:28:33 UTC No. 16386488

>>16386469
>c-curious
you people have this telltale that you always want to imply any pushback on your behaviour is from le jew or le libtard or le EDS sufferer, rather than people who are sick of you turning every thread into election politics drivel.
>such as commercial space stations have been discussed for like the last week
GEE WHIZ maybe it's because they were actually talking about the intricacies and logistics of spaceflight and how they related to decisions and mistakes being made.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:29:29 UTC No. 16386489

lmao at the dutch retard sperging out ITT over a single /pol/ thread from last week because his autism has to take a backseat while real life problems take the wheel

>>16386473
I'm not the one bringing up the FAA.
In fact, this is where I first learned about that issue.

I am much more interested in talking about Mars weather and LIDAR than anything else.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:29:40 UTC No. 16386490

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:31:00 UTC No. 16386491

>>16386490
>>16386474
>>16386472
>>16386480
Explain your posts anon.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:31:06 UTC No. 16386492

>>16386489
oh look he came out of the woodworks.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:31:09 UTC No. 16386493

As a pilot I am legally entitled to bitch about the FAA anywhere, anytime, and to whatever degree I so choose

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:32:24 UTC No. 16386495

>>16386447
Holy shit was Musk really that handsome that recently? What the fuck happened to him?
>>16386460
Chill out man, we'd love to discuss flight five, but instead we're discussing why it's delayed and how things are moving. I hate it as much as you do but progress on starship over the next few years can take two very different paths

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:32:39 UTC No. 16386496

>>16386488
so what you are saying, you are the arbiter of what can be discussed here and what can not
fuck off

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:33:33 UTC No. 16386498

>>16386491
turbopump from company that makes turbopumps for spacex
open fan turbofan engine
american prototype stealth aircraft

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:34:59 UTC No. 16386501

>>16386489

>people are bullying me for not talking about spaceflight
>this must be this one particular anon i've been obsessing over.
just post some space rocks or something already, otherwise why did you even come here.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:35:02 UTC No. 16386502

>>16386489
why are you interested in LIDAR. I've heard Dragonfly might have a lidar not sure.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:35:16 UTC No. 16386503

>>16386488
>you people
NTA
you're an idiot and see your personal boogeyman everywhere
not all of us have a single board they lurk like you, there are still a few left who have been browsing multiple boards for over a decade including this one

sperging out like this only encourages more trolling and off topic posting
how many different ways do I have to explain this to you
bitching about /pol/ is off topic

>>16386492
fuck off dutch autist

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:36:00 UTC No. 16386504

so /sfg/ can bitch about FAA every week for years on end, no problem, but now that the CEO of the world's leading launch company complains and publicly announces he's fighting back against FAA, suddenly FAA is off limit?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:36:06 UTC No. 16386505

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:36:30 UTC No. 16386506

I mean if you are not interested in talking about the FAA, don't talk about it, ignore the posts
I ignore the posts I don't find interesting and in some threads that is plenty of posts
but I don't go on some unhinged rant and try to get people to stop talking about something
if people like to talk about venus colonies for the 100th time, then go on the fuck ahead, doesn't matter to me
why the fuck do you think you can tell how often and for how long they can talk about the FAA affecting flight 5 or the FAA in general? Starship flights are the most important and substantial events in spaceflight, this whole general was started due to Starship and a large portion of the activity is usually Starship related
this time it happens to be about the license getting delayed and what are the particular reasons for that

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:36:55 UTC No. 16386507

>>16386498
Ok. Have these gone above the Karman line?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:37:06 UTC No. 16386508

>>16386503
>guy who replied
>c-curious
>as soon as someone criticised his lack of authenticity is also the dumbass that probably flooded this place with like 50 newfags
not surprising tbqh.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:37:33 UTC No. 16386509

>>16386504
yes apparently (and its pretty clear why)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:37:51 UTC No. 16386510

>>16386501
I am not being bullied.
Your words literally just don't affect me on an emotional level.

The only person getting worked up and reporting posts is you.
I was talking about space just fine before dutch retard started flipping out AGAIN.

>>16386502
because elevation heatmaps make me aroused
pretty colors
>Dragonfly might have a lidar
it had better

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:38:39 UTC No. 16386511

>>16386510
which is why you cry every single time someone mentions the fact that you don't belong and never will.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:39:43 UTC No. 16386513

if you keep crying about it I'm going to make it my personal mission to post about the topic every fucking day until the launch license is granted

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:40:04 UTC No. 16386514

>>16386510
>because elevation heatmaps make me aroused
fuck same

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:41:05 UTC No. 16386515

nta but if we stage at page 9 again I will mention FAA in the thread.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:41:09 UTC No. 16386516

>>16386513
>/pol/nog is supremely spiteful loser who throws temper tantrums and tries to flood boards every time he doesn't get his way.
not very surprising, when'd you find this place, 2021?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:43:02 UTC No. 16386518

why do you fags want to silence amazing politics centric spaceflight discussions like this?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:43:06 UTC No. 16386519

>>16386516
okay then

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:44:19 UTC No. 16386520

>>>/k/62525913
>>>/k/62526103
interesting discussion about radars over on k

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:45:18 UTC No. 16386521

>>16386518

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:46:13 UTC No. 16386522

>>16386518
>picrel
jesus christ, that's grim
why can't they just stay in their designated containment zone, why must they leak out into every other part of the website?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:46:20 UTC No. 16386523

tomorrow I will remind them

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:46:29 UTC No. 16386524

>>16386514
I just love thinking about how solar wind predictably affects the Martian climate.
Is the Mars colony going to have a hot weathergirl specialist to do planetary forecasts?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:46:43 UTC No. 16386525

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:47:42 UTC No. 16386526

>>16386504
>>16386506
The issue is the frequency of the posts and the content of them. Please read again, the posts have been nonstop for threads on end with hundreds of posts each about it, and you just yourself said that before it only happened every week. In addition, the posts are constantly filled with D vs R american political cancer disguised under the regular FAA hate. I wouldnt mind nearly as much if that wasnt snuck in there. Its like those political ad texts you get spammed with, do yoy like those? And before you say its because Im some bureaucrat who wants to ruin Mars, no its not everyone knows /sfg/ is very homogenous in leaning red. I and many others are just so sick and tired of how much this has been discussed. Weeks of it, not just once a week, and its been used as a way to derail discussion for political purposes.

Again, the issue is the frequency and content. Normal FAA bitching is fine because its generally about some new aspect of the issue and not inherently tribally political. The recent FAA 'discussion' has been repetition of the same message over and over and over again with no new angle to explore and also sneaks in off topic discussion by newfags that are here from that one retard who advertised us on /pol/.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:48:16 UTC No. 16386527

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:48:20 UTC No. 16386528

>>16386524
yes and her boobs will jiggle inordinately because of the lower gravity.

come to think of it, has there been any research done on how lowered gravity affects breast development?
maybe women on mars would be able to support much larger boobs because they weight less?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:49:16 UTC No. 16386529

>>16386526
no, fuck you

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:49:21 UTC No. 16386530

>>16386526
>>16386506

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:49:29 UTC No. 16386531

>>16386526
they're gonna call a leftist or heavily imply that you are one for making this daring post lol.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:50:17 UTC No. 16386533

>>16386518
Saving this. Thanks anon.
>>16386527
So these are orbits that can be achieved by crafts going between the Earth and Moon?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:50:46 UTC No. 16386535

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:52:21 UTC No. 16386537

>>16386527
>(h)
hehehe, benis

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:53:29 UTC No. 16386538

bros you know how a telescope works r-right??

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:54:33 UTC No. 16386539

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:54:53 UTC No. 16386540

>>16385337
>>16386365
that statue is a lot smaller than most people realize. Most of the height is in the pedestal.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:55:03 UTC No. 16386541

>>16386509
>(and its pretty clear why)
Kek, sure is

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:55:40 UTC No. 16386542

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:56:00 UTC No. 16386544

>>16386526
i felt and immediate drop in quality after that nig advertized us everywhere.
it's obnoxious how much these people resemble communist death cultists with their obsessive need to infiltrate every place and insist that they belong and their personal compulsions should be respected respected and threaten with even more infiltration and corruption if you don't agree with them.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:56:12 UTC No. 16386545

>>16386541
>>16386531
And read >>16386526

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:56:41 UTC No. 16386546

>>16386541
I wonder who makes images like these

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:59:22 UTC No. 16386550

>>16386528
Yes.

>how lowered gravity affects breast development
>women on mars would be able to support much larger boobs

I had the same thought.
Alternatively, because the breasts and the chest/shoulder muscles that suspend them won't sag as much due to gravity they'll either not develop sufficiently or be more torpedo like.

Which means any Martain woman coming to earth would have quite saggy tits because her physiology isn't used to the extra weight.

The human biology involved is the real question, we just don't know enough about it yet.
Or at least I don't, I'm sure there are specialists who could make an educated guess.
We'll only really know once we have a few generations of natively born and raised Martians.
I think it's possible Martians will be tall, and lanky af because of the lower gravity.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:59:56 UTC No. 16386551

Could somebody please give link to that Red Dragon conspiracy theory?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:01:19 UTC No. 16386554

>>16386551
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26274117
death to jpl

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:01:26 UTC No. 16386555

>>16386550
i welcome our martian tittymonster overlords.
i will use them as a bouncy castle.

speaking of, bouncy castle in a pressurized space on the moon would be fun as fuck, so would trampolines, can you imagine how fun it would be as a kid jumping 40 meters into the air on a trampoline?