🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:34:03 UTC No. 16447192
Real Edition
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Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:36:38 UTC No. 16447195
Pluto is a planet.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:37:58 UTC No. 16447197
>>16446936
I can only imagine he's quibbling over the exact percentage, he can't honestly believe the distribution of male and female strength is the same right?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:39:27 UTC No. 16447199
The Felon Huskrat is sinking...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1a
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:39:32 UTC No. 16447200
>>16447192
>Democrats keep giving Boeing money
Boeing isn't even woke, it's just a corrupt company.
A single company eliminating almost half a century of American space progress.
If justice were real, we would have sent all Boeing executives on death row.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:42:17 UTC No. 16447205
>>16447197
>people not interested in biological facts quibbling over percentages
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:43:08 UTC No. 16447208
>>16447195
wrong again, at least according to the IAU which is all we really have to go on.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:43:39 UTC No. 16447211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJ
STATIC FIRE SOON MAYBE
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:44:06 UTC No. 16447214
>>16447205
With the amount of biology channels hank runs it'd be awful strange for him to not be interested in biological facts.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:45:33 UTC No. 16447216
>>16447199
What do you get out of wasting a post on this shit each and every day?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:47:06 UTC No. 16447219
>>16447208
According to the IAU's definition the moon is a planet
Their definition of a planet is fucking stupid.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:48:31 UTC No. 16447220
>>16447211
I wonder if they will do a static fire test after IFT 6 with the returned booster. Seems to be a good way to verify the rapid reusability of the booster without going through all the FAA hassle.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:51:20 UTC No. 16447224
>>16447219
but the moon IS a planet..
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:51:37 UTC No. 16447225
>>16447192
no politics, anon
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:54:48 UTC No. 16447231
>>16447225
Just give up atp. 2 weeks from election, I tried stopping politics 2 months ago and that went horribly. Just wait it out.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:55:45 UTC No. 16447233
>>16447200
But SLS exists because of republicans
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:58:02 UTC No. 16447235
>>16447219
>According to the IAU's definition the moon is a planet
nope. a planet must directly orbit the sun, thats requirement 1, the moon orbits the Earth, which orbits the sun.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:59:09 UTC No. 16447236
>>16447233
Reminder >>16447118
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:59:30 UTC No. 16447237
>>16447209
because there are SHILLS attempting to thread split
surprised they haven't been spamming the general with le funny meme cat pictures to image limit
just get the jannies to do their job and delet the fake and gay "bakes"
>>16447215
die in a fire
>>16447195
I actually want to see Pluto up close more than Mars, ice volcanos sound rad.
What would be best is to move Pluto into orbit around Mars, so it can restart the Mars dynamo and assist in terraforming because ice.
>>16447225
Binge listening Martian civics lectures but pretty much every idea I've heard is worse than mine.
Everyone has republicanism or corporatism on the brain for some reason.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:00:19 UTC No. 16447238
>>16447220
hard to say, it might be a bit obsolete
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:01:20 UTC No. 16447242
>>16447225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd7
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:01:36 UTC No. 16447244
>>16447235
The Earth orbits the Moon too sweetheart :)
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:01:39 UTC No. 16447245
>>16447233
I don't care why it exists, only that it stops existing ASAP.
>but muh republicans
>but muh democrats
Abolish the parties and replace them with pro-space ones, (R) and (D) are outdated and dead. Miss me with your preferred "team".
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:02:29 UTC No. 16447246
>>16447237
>Everyone has republicanism or corporatism on the brain
Best to go with what works as long as your air depends on stability.
I do think the conditions will someday be ripe for experimentation. Everyone will have a phone or equivalent, everyone will be a member of a high tech system. I think the conditions could lead to a blockchain secured direct democracy. Capitalism is obviously inarguably a feature.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:02:37 UTC No. 16447247
>>16447199
How does the guy scrounge together 20 minutes of content worth of shitting on musk after the success of IFT5?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:04:49 UTC No. 16447252
>>16447247
its probably his main source of income, the last time I checked he was working as a postdoc in some Czech university, so probably shit tier pay
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:05:03 UTC No. 16447253
>>16447247
He has a PHD and you don't.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:05:43 UTC No. 16447254
>>16447225
spaceflight is always political anon, especially when the election is in 2 weeks
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:06:12 UTC No. 16447255
>>16447253
I do have a phd in geology
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:06:38 UTC No. 16447257
>>16447192
Already 28 posts, its time for staging!
STAGING!
>>16442481
>>16442481
>>16442481
STAGING!
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:12:48 UTC No. 16447262
>>16447257
Kek
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:12:53 UTC No. 16447263
>>16447246
>blockchain secured direct democracy
dude you don't need blockchain to secure the vote with such a small group of people
maybe once a million people are there we could implement blockchain systems, but the projections for that population level are unrealistic and if we can get a sustainable colony of 10,000 by 2050 that would be amazing
direct democracy itself is not a good idea for several reasons
one, you would need to temporarily halt all essential system operations every time there's a vote on any issue
there are many possible issues that could arise, not every command level decision can be put to a vote
two, the idea that people who aren't qualified to work on certain systems should have input on how these systems are run is wrongheaded
there should be a ruling council made up of representatives elected from each essential section of your personel invested with the authority to write binding legislation and put that legislation into effect with unanimity or a two thirds majority
>capitalism
this is a commie buzzword to strawman people, not a real ideology
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:19:21 UTC No. 16447268
>>16447246
Mars will be a bottom-up direct democracy; all labor systems will be structured by unions, we'll have companies and businesses that are operated by unions that elect their management structure, and the Martian government will impose heavy regulations and partial State ownership of these businesses to prevent them from degrading
Mars will be a syndicalist Paradise
Capital will be controlled by the average person through communal ownership of production
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:21:43 UTC No. 16447269
>>16447268
I think you mean monarchy
Elon will rule with an iron fist, and generous distribution of pleasure robots
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:22:49 UTC No. 16447270
>>16447269
Yeah sure that works too
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:23:59 UTC No. 16447271
NOOG LENN UPDATES!
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/184
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:25:00 UTC No. 16447272
>>16447268
nah
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:25:20 UTC No. 16447274
>>16447269
better question is how big will the settlement be before elon goes there himself?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:26:01 UTC No. 16447275
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:26:22 UTC No. 16447277
>>16447268
>labor systems
there are no such thing as "labor" systems
there are life support systems, communications and command systems, security systems, power, etc
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:26:40 UTC No. 16447278
>>16447271
Is this the flight article?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:26:56 UTC No. 16447280
>>16447257
ABORT ABORT
WE HAVE HAD AN ANOMALY
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:27:00 UTC No. 16447281
>>16447269
>monarchy
empire
>pleasure robots
catgirls
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:27:19 UTC No. 16447282
>>16447268
Nothing points to this
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:29:00 UTC No. 16447284
>>16447219
>Their definition of a planet is fucking stupid.
yes, but not for the reason you listed
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:29:32 UTC No. 16447285
>>16447281
tfw Elon will be enforcing martian law and knighting sons of Mars in our lifetime
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:29:47 UTC No. 16447286
>>16447271
spacexbros, i don't feel so good..
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:32:43 UTC No. 16447288
>>16447281
outlaw star shit
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:32:52 UTC No. 16447289
>>16447263
>dude you don't need blockchain to secure the vote with such a small group of people
Software is scalable, no reason not to implement from the start.
>you would need to temporarily halt all essential system operations
We're talking about modern times, with modern computers. You could just lock your vote to someone else's as a pseudo representative. Most people would likely do this.
>the idea that people who aren't qualified to work on certain systems should have input on how these systems are run is wrongheaded
>only I am smart enough to make choices
Sounds tyrannical, post disregarded
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:34:44 UTC No. 16447291
>>16447268
>Mars will be a bottom-up direct democracy
Von Braun already prophesied the form of government Mars will enjoy. Universal suffrage but dependent upon an intelligent society, which Mars will necessarily be.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:37:59 UTC No. 16447292
>>16447235
Read nigga, read
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:38:46 UTC No. 16447293
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:39:57 UTC No. 16447295
>>16447289
>no reason not to implement from the start
there is a reason
what member of your crew is responsible for ensuring blockchain implementation
that requires specialized knowledge, whereas a simple head count really does not
>modern computers
so your electoral system has a critical vulnerability
>You could just lock your vote to someone else's as a pseudo representative. Most people would likely do this.
This idea actually does make sense, but leans into the council system I have already outlined.
>tyrannical
mob rule can by as tyrannical as rule by a single autocrat
lowest common denominator politics usually don't end well
that said, the council should be enabled to elect a dictator from among their number in the case of deadlock in an emergency situation
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:40:47 UTC No. 16447297
>>16447293
Starship with grappler arms fucking WHEN?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:41:26 UTC No. 16447299
REEEEEEE
Stop talking about mars politics in my tankwatching thread!!one!
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:41:44 UTC No. 16447301
>>16447297
A starship with at least one grappler arm is already a wishlist item for NASA to restore lost Shuttle capability.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:43:44 UTC No. 16447303
can someone stage? I'm too busy rn
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:51:47 UTC No. 16447311
>>16447295
>member of your crew
Absolutely no software will be done on sight. There is no cost of transport and programmers are much cheaper on Earth
>critical vulnerability
Not sure what you're referring to. Blockchain is distributed by design.
>leans into the council system I have already outlined
The council system would only lead to what we have now, where representatives are part of a larger system that bends to lobbyists and the common man can't do anything about it.
>council should be enabled to elect a dictator
Deranged romaboo
>in the case of deadlock
In the case that 10,000 people are split exactly 50/50?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:52:54 UTC No. 16447314
>>16447269
there's no reason to speculate about any monarchical system until people actually start swearing fealty to individual dynasties again
that very human inclination could prove hazardous in a Martian evirome for several reasons
>pleasure robots
why would we have bots when we could have human sex ops instead
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:53:09 UTC No. 16447315
>>16447311
>on sight
Fuck
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:53:22 UTC No. 16447316
>>16447301
I want to see Starship and New Glenn jousting in LEO using their grappler arms to tear at one another. Bonus if they bring up oversized hand-weapons to wield.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:53:23 UTC No. 16447317
>>16447311
Blockchains can't handle Mars lag.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:53:31 UTC No. 16447318
fags
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:54:44 UTC No. 16447321
>>16447317
The devices would all be on Mars. The network would be Mars only. Software dev will be outsourced
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:55:11 UTC No. 16447322
>>16447310
>>16447310
>>16447310
>>16447310
this thread was actually staged at page 10
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:56:13 UTC No. 16447323
>page 10 sperg has dozens of threads ready to delete so he can guarantee that any other bake is "early"
LMFAO
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:57:38 UTC No. 16447325
>>16447314
>human sex ops
sex gives women power
that cannot be allowed
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:58:51 UTC No. 16447328
>>16447311
>Absolutely no software will be done on sight. There is no cost of transport and programmers are much cheaper on Earth
Then, as a Martian, you are dependant on Earther systems for your governance and therefore are not truly independent.
>The council system would only lead to what we have now
Not at all.
What we have now is a senatorial or congressional system built out of individual states.
Whereas this governance on Mars will be a singular state entity built from the essential systems necessary for the sustainability of the colony.
>Deranged romaboo
sometimes a dictator is necessary
while dangerous, that has been shown to be true through history
>case that 10,000 people are split exactly 50/50
that's unlikely
but thankfully, the essential functions of government are in the hands of their duly elected representatives while all essential systems are reporting green
representatives that they have been personally working with and understand their concerns when it comes to their particular system essential to the colony's continued existence
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:59:08 UTC No. 16447330
>>16447323
who is this "page 10 sperg" you speak of?
at this point i'm pretty sure it's just anons buckbreaking the people that insist on early staging to get reactions as it seems to drive the early stagers quite mad.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:59:19 UTC No. 16447331
Everyone please go report my thread so janny does his job. Ill take the ban for announcing report or offtopic or whatever, as long as janny gets on it. 5 /sfg/s up currently which is what he deleted them at last time.
>>16447319
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:00:17 UTC No. 16447335
>>16447325
sex ops will be a volunteer section drawn from every other essential section, rotated in and out of active duty on the regular, and WILL have a seat on the council
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:02:27 UTC No. 16447339
it really is insane how difficult some people have to make it for themselves when presented with a simple rule.
these early stagers would probably have a similar kind of meltdown if someone at a store asked them to hold the door open for someone else.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:02:33 UTC No. 16447340
>>16447330
>>16447322
>>16447322
>>16447322
>>16447322
that's who. HTH HH
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:03:50 UTC No. 16447341
Dont reply to any of the baking related posts.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:03:52 UTC No. 16447342
>>16447194
>>16447194
>>16447194
>>16447194
thread reminder this thread was staged at page 10 so if that supposed rule matters so much then deleting threads from /sci/ to push the prior general back to page 9 so they could be the one to bake another thread is unironically maladjusted
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:04:11 UTC No. 16447343
>>16447313
man the SHILLS sure are mad that this general exists huh
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:04:33 UTC No. 16447345
>>16447335
no women allowed on mars
only artificial wombs
robot love and a basic level of male/male love
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:07:09 UTC No. 16447347
>>16447336
musk will be the first trillionaire
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:07:23 UTC No. 16447348
>>16447345
>robofuckers are gay
checks out
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:07:48 UTC No. 16447350
>>16447341
I won't.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:10:33 UTC No. 16447354
>>16447298
i think you would die very quickly due to the crushing gravity
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:10:47 UTC No. 16447355
>>16447350
This is impossible, they would be dead
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:11:24 UTC No. 16447356
>>16447328
>Martian, you are dependant on Earther systems
Larping. The software dev for the SpaceX Mars city will be done by SpaceX on Earth.
>Not at all.
Yes at all. The American experiment taught us about the corruptibility of representatives. Learn the lesson.
>particular system essential to the colony's continued existence
No wonder you have an inherently tyrannical mindset. No, these systems will function and function together without the guiding hand of a fictional benevolent dictator. You're underestimating individuals and the free market in a way that makes me wonder if you've been paying attention to the government vs SpaceX debacle play out
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:11:47 UTC No. 16447358
>>16447298
Do you want a long answer? I can provide that, We’ve (or atleast I) discussed in previous threads why missions dont last long.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:12:09 UTC No. 16447360
>>16447336
this is nothing yet
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:12:36 UTC No. 16447362
>>16447284
What is it then?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:13:41 UTC No. 16447363
>>16447350
After decades of areoengineering the air pressure and temperature are high enough at that elevation at that time of year so you can take your helmet off as long as you hold your breath.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:15:11 UTC No. 16447364
>>16447354
>crushing gravity
>Saturn
1.08 g might wreck a weakling like you but I'm built different
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:15:40 UTC No. 16447365
>>16447355
>>16447363
Just put some of Venus' atmosphere there, we've discussed this. Imagine feeling the Martian wind on your face.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:16:40 UTC No. 16447366
>>16447365
>wormholes would be useful hewe
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:16:41 UTC No. 16447367
>>16447356
>the corruptibility of representatives
who is going to be "corrupting" your section's representative
other martians
or earther shills
hmm....
>these systems will function and function together without the guiding hand
no, there will inevitably be disagreements between sections as to colony wide actions
it is imperative that these disagreements do not interfere with necessary functions
which is why the council exists, each representative of their section will have an equal say in the governance of the colony regardless of the number of people within any given section
>individuals
individual concerns do not factor into the continued operation of life support systems, among other essential sections
>the free market
lmfao
what kind of market will there be among Martians that isn't directly related to survival concerns
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:17:43 UTC No. 16447368
>>16447367
Kek I'm done, you have a video game tier understanding of the world
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:17:48 UTC No. 16447369
>>16447362
It’s stupid because it doesn’t count satellite planets, some of which are more deserving of planet status than even the moon, like titan and ganymede, as being planets.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:18:44 UTC No. 16447370
>>16447365
Average aitard
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:19:07 UTC No. 16447371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpx
some launch kino into the thread split autism
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:19:35 UTC No. 16447372
>>16447370
Newfag
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:20:59 UTC No. 16447374
>>16447370
He’s right though. Venus has too much atmosphere for its own good, and Mars is sorely lacking. We can help them both at the same time.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:21:31 UTC No. 16447375
>>16447367
>what kind of market will there be among Martians that isn't directly related to survival concerns
The same as Earth dumbass
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:23:14 UTC No. 16447377
>>16447375
Wrong.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:23:52 UTC No. 16447378
>>16447377
Elaborate.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:26:27 UTC No. 16447380
>>16447378
the assumption that humans work as some kind of mindless automatons "for the greater good" seems to be a common assumption with communists, I don't think it makes sense to argue this with him
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:27:10 UTC No. 16447381
>>16447378
No. Also not original anon.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:27:24 UTC No. 16447382
>>16447348
it's unavoidable
in the absence of women platonic relationships and beyond are bound to happen
EBOK at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:27:41 UTC No. 16447385
This thread only imbeds retardations
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:28:27 UTC No. 16447387
>>16447378
NTA
What kind of consumer products are going to be produced on Mars for the benefit of Maritans?
Answer; fucking none, all that shit is going to be comped because you provide essential services to the rest of the colony.
EBOK at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:28:50 UTC No. 16447388
Derp
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:29:35 UTC No. 16447389
>>16447387
lmao
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:29:48 UTC No. 16447390
>>16447387
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid nigger the free market already does this more efficiently
>>16447380
I think you're right
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:30:05 UTC No. 16447391
>>16447380
I have detected someone who would refuse to clean their room on Mars.
If your only interest in being on Mars is personal profit to the exclusion of your fellow Martians, you will literally never be allowed to land.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:31:42 UTC No. 16447395
>>16447390
I'm sorry, were you under the impression that the system you currenly live under was a "free market"?
lmao unironically
pure delusion
how embarassing
direct democracy retards exposed as midwit simps for all time
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:31:45 UTC No. 16447396
>>16447387
>What kind of consumer products are going to be produced on Mars for the benefit of Maritans?
Martian granite countertops. Wooden (from martian trees) pull along duck toys.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:32:03 UTC No. 16447397
>>16447391
commies get the airlock
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:32:11 UTC No. 16447398
>>16447391
delusional commie with his retarded strawmen
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:32:24 UTC No. 16447399
>>16447391
>personal profit to the exclusion of your fellow Martians
Oh wow, a literal communist. You mean like how Elon Musk's personal profit is at the expense of everyone else? No, retard, the market rewards the creation of value
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:32:58 UTC No. 16447400
Anon is trying to crash this thread with shitposting.
Why is he doing this?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:33:38 UTC No. 16447402
>>16447395
The encumbered free market is better than perfect communism. This is an inarguable fact backed by an examination of history.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:33:46 UTC No. 16447403
>>16447401
>instead of
*in addition to
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:34:39 UTC No. 16447404
>>16447401
>no air
No
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:34:45 UTC No. 16447405
>>16447403
^
there are plenty of people and money on Earth to do both
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:35:43 UTC No. 16447407
>>16447403
No.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:35:57 UTC No. 16447408
>>16447401
Pallas and Vesta > Ceres
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:36:01 UTC No. 16447409
>>16447387
>What kind of consumer products are going to be produced on Mars for the benefit of Maritans?
anything and everything when the colony gets big enough to support an actual market, in the beginning its going to be fully controlled by an organization and all the "colonists" will just be employees (either SpaceX or government)
but the point is to get it self sufficient eventually and the colony will be free market based purely because it is the system that works best and most efficiently
when you have an actual colony and not just employees, people will have disposable income to use for leisure as they please, not everyone will want the same things and that is why the free market works
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:36:30 UTC No. 16447410
>>16447225
>founder of spacex
>creator of the space force
>reviver of the national space council
>neither currently holds political office
Seems fine.
>>16447208
The IAU did vote to define planet, which was stupid and ill advised because the term planet has no scientific value and just leads to retarded arguments like this one. The vote was not unanimous and by the IAU's own definition rogue planets and exoplanets cannot be classified as planets as they do not orbit the sun. Instead of leaving well enough alone we got an arbitrary definition that was crafted to meet a desired outcome. The term 'continent' has never been defined by the geophysical union and instead left to convention for this very reason.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:36:57 UTC No. 16447411
>>16447396
if someone on Mars wants to take it upon themselves to spacewalk and procure the raw material to produce countertops and funkopops, I won't stop them
but that activity is not essential to the operations of the colony and will NOT give you any vote in Martian government
now, low G alcohol production
we can talk about giving that section a vote
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:38:01 UTC No. 16447412
>>16447411
universal suffrage was a mistake
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:38:40 UTC No. 16447414
>>16447401
You spelled venusian cloud cities wrong
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:39:02 UTC No. 16447415
>>16447397
>>16447398
>>16447399
brainlet brigade activate
>ten seconds between posts
top kek
nothing about the supreme council precludes activities relating to capital and profits
they would however, reserve the right to regulate these activities in light of their obligation to ensure the safety and proliferation of the colony
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:39:07 UTC No. 16447416
>>16447412
if you're not an original colonist or a son of one you shouldn't get a vote
simple as
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:39:30 UTC No. 16447418
>>16447366
An orbital ring on venus could sling out CO2 to mars on a mass accelerator
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:41:12 UTC No. 16447422
>>16447399
Communism was invented before we knew that the market spawned innovation which has continued to feed growth. If your impression of the market is 0 sum it makes sense, but now that we know it isn't I can't guess why it persists as an ideology
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:42:22 UTC No. 16447425
>>16447396
Wood from Mars would probably be really shit due to low gravity and low amount of wind.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:42:43 UTC No. 16447426
>>16447415
>here's why this fantasy world in my head should have me as the leader
Fuck off retard
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:43:05 UTC No. 16447427
>>16447416
so basically nobody is going to be have a vote then? no that doesn't work
the vast majority of the colonists will be people that migrated there after the founding of it if you consider the initial research base as the founding (and why shouldn't you)
you could also argue that giving a vote simply because you were born there is too wide and a mistake
the problem with universal suffrage is that retards vote for the government to give them money, which slowly increases the size of the government
not sure what the system should be but you would think there could be some refinements to it
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:43:44 UTC No. 16447428
>>16447425
That’s fine, small duck shaped trolleys are not a particularly demanding application.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:43:46 UTC No. 16447429
>>16447425
Actually a sufficiently large pressurized volume would have wind
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:43:59 UTC No. 16447432
>>16447402
cool strawman bro
too bad "communism" isn't even real and is just a utopian fantasy designed to get plebs to support uncritically an influential minority who know it's a lie
thankfully, on Mars the essential systems that are critical for survival will naturally demand the representation due to their sections
>>16447409
>in the beginning its going to be fully controlled by an organization and all the "colonists" will just be employees
oh
and what representative from this "organization" will you tolerate to rule over you
chances are, they'll ust be barking orders at you from Earth
wait
you can actually just form your own government on Mars by electing a supreme council from the mission critical sections responsible for essential systems
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:44:26 UTC No. 16447433
>>16447422
"the market" is simply allowing people to buy and sell stuff to each other
its the default state of things
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:45:48 UTC No. 16447438
>>16447432
Nothing on Earth is improved by state involvement. This would not be different on Mars. You are an ignorant fool.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:46:54 UTC No. 16447439
>>16447412
I agree.
Government should be by those who have a personal stake in it, namely those belonging to sections responsible for operating essential systems.
Thankfully, every colonist will be assigned to one of these sections.
And personel from these sections will be rotated to other sections periodically for cross-training purposes.
>>16447416
That's a terrible idea.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:47:22 UTC No. 16447440
>>16447429
I really doubt it. But I wonder how many miles high it would need to be to create any sort of natural conviction current.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:47:23 UTC No. 16447441
>>16447419
What is the common thread? and dont say CHUDlon
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:47:27 UTC No. 16447442
>>16447427
Maybe a similar system as Massachusetts colony had. Town halls which elected representatives from their communities to go to the state once a year and hash out bigger issues. This also how Afghanistan works when systems are not imposed on them by outsiders.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:47:57 UTC No. 16447443
>>16447416
If you haven't done a tour of duty in the martian military then you shouldn't get a vote.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:48:21 UTC No. 16447444
>>16447432
>and what representative from this "organization" will you tolerate to rule over you
if you have a problem with it, you aren't going to get to go at all
Musk is going to be the de facto absolute leader of Mars as long as SpaceX is the major company building the colony there
at some point in the future when the colony grows enough, other companies come in or are started on Mars (in the colony), then there will probably be some non-SpaceX government there, perhaps some autonomous territory of the US for a while but it won't be communist
what the type of government is will probably be influenced greatly by Musk, for instance the sunsetting of laws and regulations, but something like a Martian constitution probably makes sense
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:48:23 UTC No. 16447445
>>16447443
service guarantees citizenship
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:49:21 UTC No. 16447450
>>16447441
Elon Musk obviously
I say it because its obviously true
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:49:35 UTC No. 16447453
>>16447444
So we can look at early Dutch and English colonial expansion as a pathway.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:50:44 UTC No. 16447454
thankfully nobody in this thread is making it to Mars due to strict psych evaluations when applying for becoming a colonist
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:50:52 UTC No. 16447455
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:50:52 UTC No. 16447456
>>16447444
>Musk is going to be the de facto absolute leader of Mars
then he will doom his own project
the best part of love is letting go
at the end of the day, if he doesn't trust the crew he puts together enough to accomplish mission objectives on their own initiative, the entire endeavor is going to fail anyways
>but something like a Martian constitution probably makes sense
what do you think I've been outlining
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:51:23 UTC No. 16447458
Reminder that any political system will be min maxed by the smartest and most driven members of your population. You are not smart enough to design a system immune to that.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:51:24 UTC No. 16447459
>>16447443
probably way better than universal suffrage but not sure if it incentivizes too much militarism (which could be inefficient)
but in the very least it means the people voting should actually care about what they are voting about as they have also pledged to defend the state with their lives
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:51:45 UTC No. 16447460
>>16447449
Would you please explain to me the meaning of your post, including what you believe the picture you posted adds to it? Thanks.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:52:35 UTC No. 16447463
>>16447440
Only 100-400 meters tall, but about the area of a US state or European country
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:53:13 UTC No. 16447466
>>16447460
Your mother loves my cock.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:53:15 UTC No. 16447467
>>16447456
>what do you think I've been outlining
some commie fantasy you have
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:54:54 UTC No. 16447469
I have a feeling the thread splitter sperg is going to delete his thread at some point if he actually gets a stage going, not the first time its happened
or is there a time limit on thread deletion?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:55:34 UTC No. 16447471
>>16447425
hire mexicans to shake the trees in leu of wind
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:55:49 UTC No. 16447472
>>16447467
I would suggest that in space, some form of collectivism would be necessary. Can’t just fuck off to the frontier because you’re tired of your neighbors.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:56:27 UTC No. 16447474
Reminder >>16447341
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:57:55 UTC No. 16447478
>>16447463
That doesn't seem high enough at all
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:58:00 UTC No. 16447479
>>16447469
he's already shown himself capable of having random threads on the board he's made before ready to delete so he can make sure the thread 10 bake is always his and any actual thread 10 bake was "early". fucking psycho probably some kind of leftist desu
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:58:09 UTC No. 16447481
>>16447472
NTA
>>16447467
you clearly have no idea what communism is
I have already identified "communism" as fake and gay.
what I am advocating for is essentially a militaristic command under the direction of a captain or admiral, taking advice from a council of peers elected from the sections responsible for the operation of essential systems
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:58:29 UTC No. 16447483
>>16447458
>leader gets publicly executed at the end of his term
min max this, nigger
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:59:44 UTC No. 16447486
>>16447484
hated only by retarded faggots
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:00:24 UTC No. 16447490
>>16447483
Alright. "Here's our puppet candidate" or "unfortunately I've decided I am unable to serve this great nation due to medical issues and will be stepping down a month before 'retirement'"
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:01:05 UTC No. 16447491
>>16447478
>storm topography
VGH
>I jizzed in my pants
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:02:19 UTC No. 16447492
>they've been messing with the OLM for nearly 18 hours straight
Nice rube goldberg machine Elon
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:03:10 UTC No. 16447494
>>16447484
He looks cute : )
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:03:10 UTC No. 16447495
>>16447478
The bubble would cook the ground like a greenhouse (plus human life plus industry) while the top of the bubble could be uninsulated from the Martian atmosphere. Otherwise air currents would basically be 2d. If all else fails, you can have large fans placed periodically that simulate wind across the bubble
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:04:14 UTC No. 16447496
>>16447481
>what I am advocating for is fascism
Oh, alright
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:04:50 UTC No. 16447498
glowfag F9 launch on xitter
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1849496
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:04:54 UTC No. 16447499
Bubble fags really are something else... "large fans" jesus christ you'd think you're listening to a child.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:05:50 UTC No. 16447500
>>16447499
It can be a bunch of small fans, if you prefer.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:07:30 UTC No. 16447503
>>16447496
imagine unqualified retards like yourself voting on the operation of life support systems
>muh fascist
ywn etc...
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:08:58 UTC No. 16447506
>>16447499
You have to explain why it wouldn't work. You'd already have distributed nodes of life support "outside" and adding a swiveling fan on top linked to a coordinated array that can simulate complex currents isn't infeasible.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:09:35 UTC No. 16447507
>>16447496
I think fascism is the blending of the corporate and government states to such a degree that no distinctions remain between the two.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:11:21 UTC No. 16447510
>>16447503
>He wants a state in control of essential systems
I hear the FAA is hiring!
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:11:52 UTC No. 16447513
>>16447509
Press the pop out window button and make it whatever size you want.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:12:23 UTC No. 16447516
>>16447507
Yeah that's what the guy I'm replying to is advocating for
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:13:05 UTC No. 16447518
>>16447509
mpv https://prod-fastly-us-west-1.video
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:13:56 UTC No. 16447521
>>16447401
I would think about it if it's possible to breed healthy babies there despite the low gravity.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:14:31 UTC No. 16447523
>>16447516
I don't think he is.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:17:08 UTC No. 16447527
>>16447510
>he wants a private corporation in charge of power
I hear Duke Energy is hiring!
realistically though, both corpos and statists need to fuck off for Mars to thrive
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:19:38 UTC No. 16447532
>>16447526
Time Enough For Love is better than Stranger in a strange land
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:19:56 UTC No. 16447533
>>16447527
The Duke Energy strategy only works because there are representatives to bribe counter to the interests of the population
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:20:47 UTC No. 16447537
>>16447513
thats only a thing on firefox
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:21:34 UTC No. 16447538
>>16447506
Tunnelfags seething
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:23:03 UTC No. 16447539
>>16447537
Foxchads on /sfg/ can't stop winning
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:24:02 UTC No. 16447541
>>16447537
what possible browser other than a fox variant could you be using
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:24:08 UTC No. 16447542
>>16447516
He’s not. There’s a reason Star Trek had a militaristic hierarchy.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:25:03 UTC No. 16447545
>>16447526
Who are you talking to?
>>16447532
I liked Orphans of the Sky
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:27:07 UTC No. 16447547
>>16447542
>There's a reason Harry Potter used the power of friendship to defeat Voldemort
Of course, any governing structure needs a sound foundation like this
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:28:03 UTC No. 16447550
>>16447547
Well let’s start with this. What is the purpose of the initial mars colony? What will people be doing in their day to day?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:28:40 UTC No. 16447551
>>16447533
thankfully, Duke Energy and companies like it don't have *direct* representation in state and federal legislative bodies
you know, how they do in Star Wars ala the Senate and Bureacracy of the Republic
although they are able to *bribe* representatives in those bodies who are otherwise supposed to uphold the rights of their other constituents
that pattern should NOT be repeated on Mars
corpo-statist corruption will have NO sway in Martian politics, and if it does that is a serious problem for all extraplanetary human endeavors
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:29:36 UTC No. 16447553
>>16447550
Working in a factory all day?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:32:13 UTC No. 16447557
>>16447553
I don’t know. But it’s a serious question. The initial Virginia colony at Jamestown nearly failed because the goal of the colony was to “get rich”. It broke down so bad the military had to take control. History can inform us on this. So we’re going to mars on the first crewed ships. Why? What will we do when we get there?
>I of course will be helping at the library.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:32:35 UTC No. 16447558
>debunks you
your response?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Y
Manned spaceflight is pointless now that we have robots.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:33:36 UTC No. 16447559
anti colonization shills in full force today
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:34:26 UTC No. 16447561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt-
You chuds just got BTFO by an alcoholic, how are you gonna recover?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:35:17 UTC No. 16447563
>>16447396
wood won't be a common thing on Mars
needs far too much space, time and wind
at best you could get your hands on pressed hempwood and bamboo boards
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:35:42 UTC No. 16447564
>>16447558
I am ready to die in the name of interplanetary humanity, and am not the only one.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:35:52 UTC No. 16447565
>>16447557
The goal is pretty clearly laid out as a self sufficient city. From trip one the goal will be ever increasing volume and complexity of locally produced goods. The free market is the only way to handle something with so many moving parts. To do otherwise would trying to centrally manage a modern industrial economy. It's not happening
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:36:30 UTC No. 16447567
>>16447557
>Why? What will we do when we get there?
Build habitats, build resource-extraction infrastructure, gather and stockpile resources, begin improving+expanding habitats.
>but why?
Why are you breathing right now instead of decomposing in the dirt? That's why, don't worry too much about the reasons.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:38:05 UTC No. 16447571
>>16447550
Make itself as self supporting as possible as quickly as possible. To that end probably mostly setting up food production, energy production, life support redundancy, and replacement part production.
What they do after that is well underway matters little at the start.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:38:17 UTC No. 16447572
>>16447565
Yeah sure. But I’m talking the first colonists. What are they doing for two years before new ones arrive? How many are there? This makes a difference with the initial form that governance takes.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:41:10 UTC No. 16447574
I would say this
>>16447571
>probably mostly setting up food production, energy production, life support redundancy, and replacement part production.
I would also add in resource surveys.
Before this
>resource-extraction infrastructure, gather and stockpile resources, begin improving+expanding habitats
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:44:42 UTC No. 16447577
>>16447559
>go to the space reddit
>thread about mars colonization
>click it
>"colonizing mars is impossible"
>"and if it isnt impossible then it shouldnt be allowed"
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:45:41 UTC No. 16447578
>surveys
holy shit this is my favorite section
and I know for a fact it's these dudes who are going to get the most Mars pussy
>>16447572
>What are they doing for two years before new ones arrive? How many are there?
Preparing landing zones for new arrivals. Setting up other related infrastructure. Spending time in G therapy centrifuges.
Probably no more than 50.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:48:08 UTC No. 16447580
>>16447578
Imagine how much fun it'd be to scout out raw resources on a new world, each site a completely new-to-humanity one with unknown possibilities. I'd do it for free, or at least for room+board.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:48:18 UTC No. 16447581
>>16447572
>the first colonists
Probably more science than setup. We need to know what works first. There will be nothing resembling a government for a while.
>>16447578
>G therapy centrifuges
Fuck off
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:48:25 UTC No. 16447582
>>16447578
>Probably no more than 50.
This makes a difference. Humans have a hard limit on collectivism which caps out at about 250 individuals. So the initial form of a regulatory body could look like an employee owned business.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:49:19 UTC No. 16447583
>>16447574
>food production
You gotta do the mass math. Food makes more sense to ship for a very long time.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:49:27 UTC No. 16447584
>>16447581
>more science than setup
Ok. What’s the governance on long term research stations?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:50:42 UTC No. 16447586
>>16447583
Yeah but you can have an ongoing project. Elon’s brother has a company running hydro farms in shipping containers.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:50:47 UTC No. 16447587
>>16447580
>for free
no
anon they are going to pay these people because their talent will demand compensation
any scenario where someone is paying for a ticket to Mars is going to end in complete disaster because that individual is nigh guaranteed to not have the skills that would make them indispensable
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:52:06 UTC No. 16447588
>>16447581
>Fuck off
cool so your bones aren't going to exist
grav simulating spin therapy is going to be essential for medical reasons you aren't mentally equipped to understand
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:53:00 UTC No. 16447589
>>16447587
I'm saying that I'd love my job so much that compensation wouldn't even be required, "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life", yknow?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:56:55 UTC No. 16447590
>>16447558
I was so confused since the title and channel name was still something about shylily when I opened it kek, on mobile. But I realized she would never do a react video to that faggot.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:58:21 UTC No. 16447592
>>16447589
I don't care how much you care about the mission.
You are getting paid because your skillset is mission critical and competitive among the peerage or you aren't going, simple as.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:59:15 UTC No. 16447593
>>16447577
Link the thread redditor
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:59:34 UTC No. 16447594
>>16447588
Tourist. Bone loss on the ISS is because the CO2 ppm is like 1.5x the maximum safe amount for one shift in any other environment. It has nothing to do with gravity.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:59:57 UTC No. 16447596
>>16447588
A correct exercise regimen will keep adults healthy on Mars. No whirlygigs needed.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:02:10 UTC No. 16447597
>>16447593
https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comm
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:03:19 UTC No. 16447598
>>16447594
>bone loss
>It has nothing to do with gravity.
no
>>16447596
whirlygigs are huge for simulating gravity
they're going to have regular chemistry centifuges on site for reasons too
this isn't a false choice dichotomy
we can put a human sized centifuge AND regular exercise facilities on Mars
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:05:05 UTC No. 16447600
>>16447598
>no
Yes. It happens on submarines too.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:06:33 UTC No. 16447602
>>16447600
first time i heard about this. do you have a source?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:07:44 UTC No. 16447603
>>16447598
The only reason whirlygigs *might* be needed is for pregnant women and young children. Everyone else can work out and be fine.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:09:05 UTC No. 16447604
>>16447592
I think you might be on the spectrum, anon.
EBOK at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:10:28 UTC No. 16447605
>>16447604
I will go careful with my prey. You'll get 5000 straight in worse than African conditions and another 55000 earning me money via trick
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:10:54 UTC No. 16447606
>>16447600
Submariners are affected by Earth's gravity just as much as land dwellers are.
What you are referring to is the inadequate artificial atmosphere they have access to.
Far from the same thing.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:11:57 UTC No. 16447608
>>16447602
There are a few studies on CO2 induced bone loss, and it's known that astronauts and submariners have similar symptoms and similar CO2 concentrations.
Remember that NASA's continued ISS funding comes from the assertion that we still have questions to answer, so the unsolved problem of bone loss isn't something they would loudly declare the result of inadequate life support alone.
This is known among knowers, but NASA has never publicly said anything about it. You wouldn't either of it risked disrupting a guaranteed 3 billion a year
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:12:58 UTC No. 16447609
>>16447606
>What you are referring to is the inadequate artificial atmosphere they have access to.
Yes. That's correct. I'm not sure what you're actually saying here
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:13:24 UTC No. 16447610
>>16447603
working out in a low G envirome, even if you increase the weight load it's just different
there is no reason not to send a human centrifuge for high G therapy
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:14:58 UTC No. 16447611
>>16447610
>working out in a low G envirome, even if you increase the weight load it's just different
What evidence can you cite?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:15:02 UTC No. 16447613
>>16447609
you seem to think Earth's gravity is irrelevant to human biology and skeletal resilience
that's just plain retarded
it's not just the atmosphere that has an effect
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:16:35 UTC No. 16447615
>>16447597
Mostly mischaracterizing the arguments there but there are retards trotting out the same old clichés
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:16:50 UTC No. 16447616
>>16447577
>>16447597
Looks like it’s mostly bog standard “space is hard” posting
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:17:02 UTC No. 16447617
>>16447613
we don't know that and NASA seems to have purposefully not tested it (or anything else really)
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:19:40 UTC No. 16447618
>>16447611
were you under the impression that scientific experiments on the human subject's ability to exercise in free fall or low G enviromes existed other than the few done on the ISS
I don't need those to know that spin machines will help those subjects survive in that kind of environment.
>>16447617
Well there might be no experiments to that end and that is a fail, but you don't need empirical evidence to extrapolate based on basic physics and biology knowledge.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:20:02 UTC No. 16447619
>>16447608
sounds like it should be possible to compare their level of bone loss and has a good guess of how much of it is from zero g.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:23:50 UTC No. 16447620
>>16447618
Has this guy just been inventing politics and biology the entire thread? Why do we attract these people?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:24:27 UTC No. 16447622
>>16447620
failstager detected
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:24:35 UTC No. 16447623
>>16447618
yes you do need empirical evidence
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:25:29 UTC No. 16447624
>>16447623
tell me about it
I saw it in a dream.
Reincarnation back in time.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:26:43 UTC No. 16447625
>>16447622
Schizophrenia
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:27:12 UTC No. 16447626
>>16447624
Wtf?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:28:02 UTC No. 16447629
>schizo
every single post I have ever seen using that word was made by a shill bar none
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:29:10 UTC No. 16447630
>>16447629
>I see patterns and bad actors where there are none
Obviously dude, that's a symptom lol
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:29:26 UTC No. 16447631
mars is a one way trip so does it really matter if their bodies adjust to the martian environment? they'll be plenty strong for the gravity
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:29:53 UTC No. 16447634
>there are none
but that sounds like something a bad actor would say
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:31:23 UTC No. 16447636
>>16447631
Mars needs to be a two way trip so we can sell our granite countertops to earthers.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:33:17 UTC No. 16447641
>>16447631
The truth is it doesn't matter. Children born on Mars will likely never come to Earth. In any case, eventually there will be a big spin ship like an Aldrin Cycler that makes a longer but easier trip. You can change the spin gravity over the course of a year. Any Martian born will be ready for Earth by the time they arrive. It'll likely be a brief window where there are children but there is no ship like that.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:34:19 UTC No. 16447645
Mars is gay btw. If you go there you like men
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:34:52 UTC No. 16447647
>>16447641
>Children born on Mars will likely never come to Earth.
That is actually the most likely outcome, because we need to study the effects Earth gravity would have on one Mars born.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:35:31 UTC No. 16447648
>>16447351
Me too, easily raped
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:35:57 UTC No. 16447649
>>16447647
>children born on mars
Not possible. Jelly babies.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:37:01 UTC No. 16447654
>>16447649
Pregnant women and infants spend all their time in the gainz train.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:38:35 UTC No. 16447657
>>16447641
Kek can you imagine the skinny fat marscels trying to go to an Earth university. They would get bullied to no end
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:39:29 UTC No. 16447659
>>16447649
>Jelly bab-ACK!!!
Nice evidence faggot
>>16447647
Psychologically they'd probably be fine with it too. Just raise them on videos of India and the NY subway and tell them how much better it is on Mars despite the less than agreeable weather. They'd all thank God they live in a bubble on a cold desert
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:40:30 UTC No. 16447662
>>16447657
>he doesn't know
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:40:57 UTC No. 16447663
>>16447657
The Martian state would issue them exoskeletons to ward off urfer bullies
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:41:34 UTC No. 16447666
>>16447657
>oh wow you're so exotic and tall
yeah sounds like hell
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:43:19 UTC No. 16447668
>>16447657
One day I will scale a freakishly tall lady to smooch her on the lips.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:44:05 UTC No. 16447669
>>16447662
>>16447666
He's spine would have a hard time supporting him. He would be hunched over like golum after a day on earth
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:47:29 UTC No. 16447671
>>16447668
I wonder if I was born too late to have relations with a Martian
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:48:50 UTC No. 16447673
>>16447669
Genetic engineering might be useful hewe
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:48:52 UTC No. 16447674
We should send a 100 ton tungsten dart impactor to Mars, to see if groundwater pools in the crater it creates.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:50:11 UTC No. 16447676
>>16447671
>SHE WAS ONLY 9.57 MARTIAN YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:51:28 UTC No. 16447678
>>16447676
Kys pedo
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:53:14 UTC No. 16447682
>>16447676
old hag
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:53:32 UTC No. 16447684
>>16447674
okay, but it must be meticulously sterilized first
and I doubt you could suggest a candidate strike zone from these coordinates
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:55:30 UTC No. 16447688
>>16447678
9.57 Martian years is 18 Earth years.
>>16447684
>it must be meticulously sterilized first
Mars? I think it is, send it
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:55:45 UTC No. 16447689
>>16447673
>load bearing spine
it should have been us
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:56:06 UTC No. 16447690
>>16447684
no sterilization, dip it in feces
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:56:32 UTC No. 16447691
>>16447684
It self sterilizes upon contact with martian regolith. A very clever design if I do say so myself (and I do).
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:57:22 UTC No. 16447692
>>16447689
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_
lol
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:57:26 UTC No. 16447693
>>16447597
>earthers
>anti-colonists
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:57:48 UTC No. 16447695
>>16447684
Hellas obviously
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:58:24 UTC No. 16447696
>>16447692
normal shrew vs hero shrew
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:03:11 UTC No. 16447700
>>16447695
terrible choice in hemisphere
Hellas is too important to disturb
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:04:09 UTC No. 16447702
>>16447696
Honestly it is fucked up that we need to use a setup designed for aquatic lateral motion for load bearing back and forth motion. Don't healthy adults basically all have back pain? Even if you do everything right your vertebrae eventually shatter. Genetic engineering should fix this as soon as possible.
>>16447700
What impact are you expecting one dart to have?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:07:04 UTC No. 16447703
>>16447478
what a shitty color scale
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:09:22 UTC No. 16447706
>spaceflight causes kidneystones
it's so over
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:09:57 UTC No. 16447708
>>16447703
It's from 2003. People weren't that aware how ass jet and raindow colormaps were.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:11:36 UTC No. 16447712
the colorblind can't go to mars
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:13:41 UTC No. 16447715
>>16447706
Unironically this is Bezos backed propaganda
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:16:17 UTC No. 16447718
>>16447715
Unironically kys
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:17:53 UTC No. 16447720
>>16447718
Yes my queen
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:27:06 UTC No. 16447731
Wheres the static fire
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:34:55 UTC No. 16447741
>>16447715
How tf is this Bezos propaganda when he wants millions of people living and working in space?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:38:01 UTC No. 16447746
>>16447741
Bezos wants 1g O'Neil cylinders and his mortal enemy will be stuck with 0.37g
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:57:17 UTC No. 16447772
>>16447629
>act like schizophrenic
>people call me a schizophrenic
>hmmm all the people i don't like are calling me a schizophrenic
>must all be one person or a group of people with ulterior motives out to get me
lol schizo
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:57:38 UTC No. 16447774
>Birds are chirping that NASA might return to cost plus contracts
it's over... china won
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:00:50 UTC No. 16447776
>>16447774
a little birdy told you?
did that bird happen to speak chinese?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:02:11 UTC No. 16447780
>>16447774
I don't actually think it matters at this point. They'll continue with expensive probes while SpaceX builds a city on Mars. The last decade of NASA will go down as unusual, but it already spawned SpaceX and SpaceX already moved on to other revenue sources. In the last 20 years, SpaceX only got 2.4% of NASA's money. It doesn't matter.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:04:20 UTC No. 16447783
>>16447774
>buy a cost plus moon base from SpaceX
We won
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:18:36 UTC No. 16447798
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:19:37 UTC No. 16447801
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:21:54 UTC No. 16447804
>>16447801
is that fucking rebar
I'm telling elon
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:22:28 UTC No. 16447805
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:23:29 UTC No. 16447806
>>16447804
its over
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:25:08 UTC No. 16447808
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxL
NSF booster testing livestream going live in 50min, not sure if there has been more confirmation about testing other than the overpressure notice
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:48:28 UTC No. 16447824
>>16447814
>>16447815
whats that weird looking bug thing? LM with a solar-electric engine?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:48:51 UTC No. 16447825
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/18
Burger's law
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:50:09 UTC No. 16447830
>>16447824
UV telescope, for some reason. I think Grumman was just itching to make an advanced LM and use it for something
https://thespacereview.com/article/
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:50:34 UTC No. 16447831
>>16447825
Mmmmmm…. Cheeseburger…..
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:52:23 UTC No. 16447832
>>16447774
NASA cant manage shit. Dissolve the agency
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:53:32 UTC No. 16447835
>>16447825
wtf is berger's law
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:55:55 UTC No. 16447838
>>16447835
I believe it’s his thing where he says if a rocket company states they are targeting “NET Q4” of a year, it means it ain’t launching. And it’s almost always right haha. Saying
>erm we plan on targeting the very end of this year!
is just code for “we have low expectations of being ready to launch”. It applies to both rockets and people building payloads
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:56:08 UTC No. 16447839
>>16447825
https://www.sda.mil/the-national-de
lol
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/15
>Berger's Law: If rocket is predicted to make its debut in Q4 of a calendar year, and that quarter is six or more months away, the launch will be delayed.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:01:58 UTC No. 16447845
Now Im hungry. Should I go get a quarter pounder from McD?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:06:00 UTC No. 16447849
Also orbital McDonalds when? Imagine this, youre in orbit on your Starship space station and are feeling hungry. You call open up the Starship app and direct your house to make some burns to lower to the McDonalds orbit. The ship comes makes its adjustment burns and comes in smooth, docking your stations together with 2 other Starships there. You order your shit, then detach, direct your station to head back up to your parking orbit and resume playing vidya with Starlink.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:07:26 UTC No. 16447850
>>16447558
>why do wipeepo climb mountains and sheeeeit
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:08:31 UTC No. 16447851
>>16447849
would the mcdonalds have artificial gravity? i dont know how you would cook patties when they need to be in contact with a griddle to conduct heat. would you sandwich them in like a panini or what?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:17:09 UTC No. 16447860
>>16447684
>sterilized first
If it isn't during Martian entry then the multiple kiloton explosion surely will
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:19:25 UTC No. 16447865
Shackleton crater? More like Shekelton crater
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:19:51 UTC No. 16447866
>>16447845
Yes. You don't have the right stuff if you fear listeria.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:23:02 UTC No. 16447868
>>16447866
e coli, not listeria
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:23:18 UTC No. 16447869
>>16447849
>ecoli in zero g
talk about a shitty way to die
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:31:56 UTC No. 16447878
>>16447872
tesla thot
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:35:25 UTC No. 16447879
>>16447878
Nigger bot
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:36:18 UTC No. 16447881
>>16447808
some kind of venting happening
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:37:14 UTC No. 16447884
>>16447881
Nobody cares until theres a frost line
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:46:35 UTC No. 16447888
>>16447877
Shoulda done a barren rocky surface on earth too.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:48:32 UTC No. 16447890
>>16447888
It's all rocks.
Rocks that we must conquer.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:49:59 UTC No. 16447891
>>16447888
Could do a liquid surface on Titan, just need to get a photo
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:57:08 UTC No. 16447898
>>16447872
puffy robo vulva
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:58:36 UTC No. 16447899
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:59:20 UTC No. 16447900
>>16447898
Weirdo
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:07:42 UTC No. 16447906
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:08:41 UTC No. 16447907
>>16447905
I bet you that faggot Mike Brown with his made up planet 9 is in there
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:08:44 UTC No. 16447908
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:10:22 UTC No. 16447910
>>16447905
>>16447906
Hello
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:11:30 UTC No. 16447913
Everyone should drink Boca Chica rain water
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:12:33 UTC No. 16447914
>>16447905
They might had a chance before china started launching their thousand sails satellites. Now there's no chance DoD will let this happen.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:13:46 UTC No. 16447917
>>16447905
TRANSLATION: CERTAIN GROUPS ARE ABSOLUTELY FUCKING LIVID THAT SPACEX WILL GET A REVENUE STREAM FROM STARLINK THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO FULLY DISCONNECT FROM ANY CONTRACT MARKET AND STILL BE ABLE TO FULLY DEDICATE ALL CAPITAL TO BUILDING A CITY ON MARS
The level of seething here is unprecedented in human history.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:16:53 UTC No. 16447923
>>16447917
Earth is a crab bucket, but all the crabs independently evolved to wear tiny little hats.....
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:17:12 UTC No. 16447924
>>16447917
Specfiy the certain groups
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:18:03 UTC No. 16447926
>>16447907
t. seething Plutocel
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:20:50 UTC No. 16447928
if you are so sure thedeluge water is fine, would you drink it?
good luck with your mercury poisoning.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:22:40 UTC No. 16447936
>>16447923
>>16447924
yeah that about covers it
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:23:38 UTC No. 16447938
>>16447906
>More satellites and launches leads to more harmful materials and gasses in our atmosphere
Oh fuck off, they're pissy their ground based telescopes are being cucked by Starlink and realised pushing the environmental angle might work, if they were really worried they'd be writing about the 1000's of cargo ships around the world that put out ~5x emissions in a single day than the entire global space industry puts out in a year.
Agencies ought to investigate these 5th columnists.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:26:52 UTC No. 16447944
>>16447938
Check those names and FAST allocation. Could be interesting.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:27:48 UTC No. 16447945
>>16447938
ground telescopes are pointless now
the astronomy community should be putting money together to launch space telescopes to the lagrange points
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:31:50 UTC No. 16447951
>>16447945
how about NO. Satelite internet is horrendously stupid
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:34:17 UTC No. 16447953
>>16447951
>t.cuckstronomer
seethe more groundlet
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:34:49 UTC No. 16447954
>>16447951
>Satelite
i don't think satellite internet is the horrendously stupid one here. unless that's your legal name.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:36:30 UTC No. 16447955
>>16447951
hello thunderfoot, how is the HRT treatment going?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:40:28 UTC No. 16447959
>>16447951
Starlink is pretty good
had it from beta until 6 months ago when the Biden bucks brought FTH to my town
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:42:29 UTC No. 16447961
>>16447951
We can do this the easy way or the hard way
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:02:10 UTC No. 16447967
>>16447905
Astronomers should be fucking ecstatic that SpaceX exists.
All the space telescopes getting their missions and funding cut due to SLS sucking all the air out of the room, their only hope is Starship being able to put real equipment in space.
Or are these amateur astronomers?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:08:16 UTC No. 16447972
>>16447967
They're ass troons like Scoot Madly.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:24:33 UTC No. 16447978
>>16447246
It's concerning to me how Musk is still very much in favor of the state existing. Going to Mars would be the perfect opportunity to just get rid of it. Bringing it with will make it more difficult for Mars to get rid of it in the future. It'll be much weaker, but it would be much better to not have it at all.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:24:41 UTC No. 16447979
>>16447972
Remember when he seethed about the First Amendment?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:27:06 UTC No. 16447985
>>16447979
seems like you're the one seething sweetie. Scott is a stud with more life accomplishments than you'll ever have. including having children that bear his manly name
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:34:33 UTC No. 16447997
Muskrats hate the fact that a scottish MAN is doing well.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:35:24 UTC No. 16447999
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:38:33 UTC No. 16448003
>>16447995
>>16447999
It's condensation catching the sun at an opportune angle.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:39:23 UTC No. 16448004
>>16447978
A state in some form is vital for unpriced externalities. Beyond that, there are some things that work in a self selected population. Various social services, consistent law enforcement, public transport. If you have a population of hand picked autists then these things actually work. Even better, you're very unlikely to have Haitian refugees and the like ever show up at your border
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:39:53 UTC No. 16448005
>>16448003
There's just no way to sugarcoat this, anon.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:45:36 UTC No. 16448008
>>16447689
>>16447696
Wow, this is horrible. Absolutely nightmarish.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:46:54 UTC No. 16448010
>>16447995
it does that sometimes. you saw the catch footage, right?
don't worry about it, it's not a big deal
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:49:21 UTC No. 16448013
>>16448009
It’s a newspace oldspace rocket. If that makes sense. Everyone wants to argue it’s a “Falcon killer”
But really it and Vulcan-Centaur are in the same relevancy class
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:50:39 UTC No. 16448014
>>16448009
It's not less capable. A fully reused Falcon Heavy can only get about 37 tons to LEO.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:53:21 UTC No. 16448019
>>16448013
In other words, they'll rapidly dwindle to irrelevance after however long it takes SpaceX to figure out no to low refurbishment heat shields. The length of that timeframe is an unknown.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:54:20 UTC No. 16448020
>>16448009
>bigger fairing
>significantly cheaper
>doesn't need a redesign to deliver on its leo capacity
yeah I don't think less capable is a good descriptor
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:55:17 UTC No. 16448021
>>16448009
It's better than Falcon Heavy in both price and performance. Even if it wasn't, it would still have an obvious place in the market and as a Kuiper spammer
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:01:14 UTC No. 16448022
>>16448021
Its in an awkward market position for anything that isn't constellation deployments. It has the same constraints that affect Starship for BEO missions. The sheer infrequency of payloads in that weight class leaves Falcon Heavy most frequently used as a BEO or Direct-to-GEO launcher.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:01:50 UTC No. 16448023
>>16448009
>>16448020
>>16448021
How does one know any of this? Even if you were a private investor and knew the financials of the companies how do you know how much the rockets costs? Especially this on that's not even done yet.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:02:08 UTC No. 16448024
>>16448013
old space manufacturing methods but designed to be reusable from the ground up compared to F9, where it was a kind of retrofit
I don't think its impossible for it to become competitive or even cheaper than F9, but I don't think its as automatic as some seem to think
for instance if it takes them very long to build them and they are expensive compared to F9, then they would have to have very high cadence and reliability too to pay for themselves
but they were aiming at something like 20 launches? so similar to F9
then you have all the other expenses of running a company which I would guess are shit tier compared to how SpaceX is run, bloat vs lean
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:04:06 UTC No. 16448027
>>16448024
>I don't think its impossible for it to become competitive or even cheaper than F9, but I don't think its as automatic as some seem to think
New Glenn has (and requires) a bigger, heavier, and unavoidably more expensive, expendable second stage compared to Falcon 9. They will not be able to compete with Falcon 9 on price without gutting their operating margins, and if it turns into a price war, Falcon 9 will win.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:05:24 UTC No. 16448029
>>16448028
This guy is hella smart
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:06:52 UTC No. 16448030
>>16448027
>New Glenn has (and requires) a bigger, heavier, and unavoidably more expensive, expendable second stage
Could they have done something else to make the 2nd stage cheap? That's the part you are expending so that would've made sense. Did they fuck up, or is it part of reaching a market that falcon doesn't cover?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:09:18 UTC No. 16448033
>>16447995
>>16447999
I wouldn't worry about it.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:09:36 UTC No. 16448034
>>16448030
I don't know what, if anything, could be done to make it even cheaper than what Falcon 9's second stage is doing (leveraging common tooling across multiple assembly lines and using the same parts wherever possible with Falcon 9's first stage with inexpensive manufacturing processes and techniques). This is a result of the choice they made for the payload capacity segment they're competing in with the dry mass margins they've got.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:10:10 UTC No. 16448035
>>16448030
new glenn has a hydrogen upper.
very high performance but very hard compared to the kerosene falcon upper
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:11:33 UTC No. 16448038
Meaty.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:11:51 UTC No. 16448039
good test
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:12:41 UTC No. 16448041
>>16448030
Probably doesn't help that they have to build two motors per second stage but I don't actually know
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:12:48 UTC No. 16448042
>>16448036
So they're voluntarily retiring from space contracting, good
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:12:59 UTC No. 16448043
>>16448035
>hydrogen upper very high performance
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:13:02 UTC No. 16448044
>>16448036
Total Oldspace Death
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:13:08 UTC No. 16448045
>>16448038
Most beefy indeed.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:13:41 UTC No. 16448046
>>16448030
Yeah it's called NEW JARVIS
fucking newfags in /sfg/ cant answer a simple question.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:14:41 UTC No. 16448048
>>16448036
Bye Felicia!
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:14:49 UTC No. 16448049
B13 splooged everywhere
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:15:21 UTC No. 16448050
>>16448036
Dare we enter yet another NASA dark age where Congress demands “traditional contracting” i.e. total gibs to old space. If companies can meet fixed-price contracts then they should get incentives and priority
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:15:50 UTC No. 16448051
>>16448036
its over for the us space industry...
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:15:58 UTC No. 16448052
>>16448028
The retarded nigger double downs again with the claim that SpaceX isn't pushing frontiers
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:17:35 UTC No. 16448056
>>16448049
Has anyone figured out the OLM cum anyway?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:18:47 UTC No. 16448060
>>16448023
without doxing myself I do sales for blue origin and/or lie on the internet
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:18:51 UTC No. 16448061
>>16448014
>Comparing full recovery Falcon Heavy to New Glenn discarding it's upper stage
Falcon Heavy gets 57 tonnes to LEO discarding core booster. Makes more sense to compare that to New Glenn's figure of 45 tonnes discarding upper stage.
45 tonne figure was before project Jarvis.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:19:14 UTC No. 16448062
>All that industrial waste water dumping
FELON MUSK!!!!!
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:19:58 UTC No. 16448063
https://www.youtube.com/live/ZzRoNh
Dr Zurbuchen on Off-Nominal. Interesting insight into NASA science project management. Says he would have cancelled Psyche
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:22:01 UTC No. 16448066
>>16448065
fuck this is bad
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:22:18 UTC No. 16448067
>>16448028
I'm so confused
The obvious reason he got heat for that statement was spacex started reusing fly back boosters and recovering fairings while developing a fully reusable rocket. It's not just a cost reduction, it's flat out technological steps.
But nonetheless he's trying to frame it that costs savings or paying for it privately isn't "a new achievement" like going to mars, well ok, he gets to define what his words mean to an extent. Then he seemingly contradicts himself by implying that if spacex invented the vehicle that could take men to mars, that's a nasa mission because they paid for it and are supplying the astronauts, when spacex is responsible for bringing forward the technology that enables it. So I'm confused. Is it about who is paying for what, how much they are spending, or who made the technology, who do the astronauts work for? If the public is confused by your comments you need to write your response more carefully.
I'll believe that spacex pays for mars missions and colonies when I see it though. I always envisioned it as a nasa mission and then after the science is done you could offer commercial tourism to mars. If people want to stay you have a colony, if people don't want to stay you better find some resource that's rare on earth. The gravity may limit human habitation to 2 year stints anyway.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:24:48 UTC No. 16448069
>>16448067
He thinks that because the ship will be painted white with a meatball sticker that erases all private sector involvement
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:24:50 UTC No. 16448070
>>16448050
problem is spacex is the only one who can meet fixed cost, and thats only becauseof elons insane ability as a businessman and leader. HLS has blown the whole HLS contract budget multiple times over. If they were Boeing they would just back out and leave NASA 3 billion poorer for nothing.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:25:03 UTC No. 16448071
>>16448065
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/statu
BRAPP
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:25:09 UTC No. 16448072
>>16448065
that's the sun's glare behind steam
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:25:52 UTC No. 16448073
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:26:00 UTC No. 16448074
>>16448067
No need to be confused: he's wrong, and he's trying to make it sound like he's not wrong.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:27:32 UTC No. 16448076
>>16448061
Neither Falcon or New Glenn can reuse their upper stages so that's a moot point to bring up. New Glenn has no flight modes that discard the booster so if your going to compare it to a Falcon Heavy it has to be one that reuses the boosters and the core. FH with RTLS boosters and a ASDS core gets about 37 tons to LEO. Jarvis only exists on paper and we don't even really know what it is let alone its specs are. It'd be great if it's a reusable upper stage, but if it is it's going to be shedding some of NG's performance to pull that off so it'll end up carrying less than 45 tons.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:28:19 UTC No. 16448077
>>16448028
Tyson is so fucking stupid sometimes. I imagine Carl Sagan's ghost following him around and progressively getting more racist as the years go by.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:29:44 UTC No. 16448078
>>16448071
Flight 6 when?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:30:21 UTC No. 16448079
>>16448078
2 weeks
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:32:20 UTC No. 16448081
>>16448078
>>16448079
TWO WEEKS CHADS, WE'RE BACK
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:32:22 UTC No. 16448082
>>16448078
14 days
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:33:11 UTC No. 16448085
>>16448076
Maybe it will carry 20 tons like starship
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:34:02 UTC No. 16448087
>>16448083
not pointy enough :(
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:36:51 UTC No. 16448089
>>16448081
Holy shit, is Musk serious? Launch in two weeks? I'm voting for Trump
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:37:51 UTC No. 16448090
>>16448085
Or zero, like Starship
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:38:12 UTC No. 16448091
>>16448080
just a little longer guys
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:39:43 UTC No. 16448093
>>16448083
Is jeff correct to use paddles instead of gridfins?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:43:23 UTC No. 16448099
>>16448097
I haven't seen one of those in a while. If I'm not mistaken, that chart's pretty old, and BE-4's become a much higher thrust engine since then. They have have re-baselined the upper stage as well, but I'm not sure.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:43:45 UTC No. 16448101
>>16448081
>election night flight
Dew it.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:44:45 UTC No. 16448102
>NSF sperging about a new print they can shill
still cool to see albedo in action
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:45:34 UTC No. 16448103
>>16448097
What's up with the data point around -5 C3?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:49:01 UTC No. 16448108
>>16448009
Why are muskrats so scared of new glenn?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:49:48 UTC No. 16448109
>>16448058
>haha xD but what about ME
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:50:09 UTC No. 16448110
>>16448100
basedski
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:50:11 UTC No. 16448111
>>16448108
It mogs starship. it works on the first try. its cheaper. it has a more handsome ceo. it has reliable engines. and it gets a moon lander that works.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:51:51 UTC No. 16448112
>>16448111
does the moon lander still have blue balls though
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:52:54 UTC No. 16448113
>>16448108
I'm not scared of it, I'm genuinely confused about it's utility.
I guess it fits a niche of relatively large satellites into LEO, but even then it's arguably outclassed by existing solutions.
Guess its better than giving up, though. Good luck to them.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:53:39 UTC No. 16448114
>>16448108
Bezos has an infinite money printer and will burn through his entire net worth to sell $10mil launches just to spite Elon in the five years he has left before his heart explodes from hgh and test. It's not about real competition. If they manage any sort of cadence the Mars city is in jeopardy
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:53:41 UTC No. 16448115
>>16448112
Are you referring to the location in which the propellant is stored?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:53:54 UTC No. 16448116
>>16448111
Trips confirm muskrats are stupid and jealous
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:54:25 UTC No. 16448118
>>16448114
>If they manage any sort of cadence the Mars city is in jeopardy
lol now this is some projection
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:55:49 UTC No. 16448120
>>16448093
I'm sure that there are some interesting tradeoffs in there. Fins might be better from a cost or weight perspective. Falcon 9's grids are the largest single piece titanium castings ever made, and that can't be cheap. Superheavy shifted over to steel grids just so it could get something in the right size and that had to come with a not insignificant weight penalty. I'm sure there are performance differences but I haven't seen any open discussions on the topic before.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:57:24 UTC No. 16448125
>>16448120
theres also something to be said for BO engineers having previous experience with traditional fins
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:57:39 UTC No. 16448127
>>16448111
It also doesn't exist.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:59:35 UTC No. 16448128
>>16448106
>earthers could be here
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:00:20 UTC No. 16448129
>>16448083
The most important question is: will it launch before the heat death of Beños?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:03:33 UTC No. 16448132
>>16448127
exactly. orbital starship doesn't exist
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:10:02 UTC No. 16448137
>>16448106
Wernher rode in a Cybertruck
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:11:05 UTC No. 16448138
>>16448106
This man was a fucking nazi and you support him? What. the. fuck.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:12:07 UTC No. 16448140
>>16448114
Yeah I'm still waiting to see an example of "debut with firesale prices and incur insane losses until your competition is out of business" a single time. But trying to do this against a man that's richer than you would be another layer of insane.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:18:51 UTC No. 16448146
>>16448133
Why is starship development getting ominous at this point?
Less than 2 weeks and there is a successful SF attempt on the first go
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:20:50 UTC No. 16448147
>>16448115
I am in fact asking if the tanks in which the propellants are stored are spherical in nature.
i also wanna know if they will always be bathed in a blue light or if that was just for the reveal
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:21:35 UTC No. 16448149
>>16448146
Because the DESIGN GOAL from the OUTSET was a tempo like airliners.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:23:04 UTC No. 16448152
>>16448146
>>16448149
Developmental system maturation curves in action.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:39:40 UTC No. 16448172
So what are you anons looking to buy from the ULA liquidation auctions?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:44:17 UTC No. 16448176
>>16448154
>Bezos only beat Branson's altitude 14 years later, by firing the escape motors after booster separation to get a 10km boost in apogee
lmao
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:44:48 UTC No. 16448179
>>16448036
So BO and SpaceX win every contract from now on? Cool
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:46:24 UTC No. 16448183
>>16448181
VGH... SOVL
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:48:06 UTC No. 16448187
>>16448029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJx
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:48:23 UTC No. 16448188
>>16448050
Probably, lobbyists are probably already banging on doors to alert representatives of the "dangers" of fixed price
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:48:40 UTC No. 16448189
>>16448154
I don't use the C word lightly, but this is some cuck shit
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:50:37 UTC No. 16448192
If Drumpf wins, and senate and house are taken by republichuds, do you think Elon might start lobbying for a bill to be passed so that the CST agency gets separated from the FAA, and less barriers to flight are up?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:50:57 UTC No. 16448193
>>16447967
it's called EDS, subsymptom of TDS. it's terminal
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:51:49 UTC No. 16448194
>>16448058
>>16448109
thats crazy
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:52:28 UTC No. 16448197
>>16448191
kek
Astra catching the rocket with the umbilical, so the rocket is already plugged in and ready to be refueled, genius!
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:52:43 UTC No. 16448198
>>16448172
this outfit + tory bruno's cowboy hat helmet
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:52:49 UTC No. 16448200
>>16448191
I raffed
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:53:01 UTC No. 16448201
>>16448194
Yeah
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:53:34 UTC No. 16448202
>>16448190
what is that biconic vehicle opposite the orangetank farm?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:54:02 UTC No. 16448203
>>16448200
We very good space! You want space?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:54:44 UTC No. 16448206
>>16448191
Autonomous smartcables fucking wen, Elong??
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:55:17 UTC No. 16448208
>>16448058
He wants a law how about "The bigger the launch, the better the chance that it happens on a day that's bad for me"
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:56:18 UTC No. 16448209
>>16448208
He is such an unbearable redditor
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:57:13 UTC No. 16448211
>>16448207
>boiling: ?
kek what
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:58:12 UTC No. 16448213
>>16448208
the starliner program was cursed at this very moment
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:58:13 UTC No. 16448214
>>16448202
Mars landers
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:58:49 UTC No. 16448215
>>16448028
Just watched the video
I'd be curious if Neil sees the difference between the first flight across the Atlantic and airliners. You're going to the same place. The new frontier isn't a destination, its the technology and accessibility enabling new human activity. You can't build a space colony in orbit and reply with "but nasa already sent humans to orbit". It's not remotely the same thing. In fact new achievements in LEO will eventually be more significant than reaching a new location. I would consider large space stations, space colonies, mega telescopes or other megastructures more important than landing people on an outer planet moon or something. He's also forgeting private companies lead space just by nasa falling behind. There is no nasa launch system that can take people to the ISS. Just because you used to do it doesn't mean you're the leader. You fucked up by sticking the shuttle for too long.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:59:33 UTC No. 16448216
>>16448191
I love Astra. So much sovl in that company
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:59:38 UTC No. 16448217
>>16448190
what could have been if nasa management wasn't so shit and beholden to the whims of congress.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:01:01 UTC No. 16448218
>>16448216
Have a (You)
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:02:03 UTC No. 16448220
>>16448208
why is his head so big?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:02:45 UTC No. 16448221
>>16448192
The FAA will probably be nice to elon long before that, and that's possibly already happened. They're going to try hard not to become a target for restructuring because they could lose their jobs.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:08:37 UTC No. 16448224
>>16448084
Lmao
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:12:18 UTC No. 16448231
>>16448221
Of course the MAGA chuds want to bully regular people into doing their bidding by threat of losing their job.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:12:22 UTC No. 16448232
>>16448207
How about we figure out how to make/store some first & then we'll see how she burns
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:29:57 UTC No. 16448242
fuck you
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:32:04 UTC No. 16448244
>>16448242
Who
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:34:43 UTC No. 16448246
>>16448244
It's the schizophrenic guy from earlier. Whoever he's talking to doesn't actually exist. You can tell because he didn't use the "reply" feature
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:38:11 UTC No. 16448249
Shut the fuck up smartass.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:39:41 UTC No. 16448250
who the fuck said that?? stop pretending to be me
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:41:26 UTC No. 16448252
gay rocket
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:45:46 UTC No. 16448255
>>16448254
Have you ever considered that redditors stole it themselves and reposted it, and google only shows that because thats what gains the most traction and upboats?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:46:20 UTC No. 16448257
>>16448255
reddit stole it from reddit
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:48:04 UTC No. 16448260
>Elon Musk has been in regular contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin since late 2022
lol wtf
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:48:11 UTC No. 16448261
>>16448257
Stole it from twitter stole it from ifunny stole it from 9gag stoke it from 4chan. Im not sure where the chain stops at with this one but it didnt originate from reddit
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:52:02 UTC No. 16448263
>>16448260
Fake and gay
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:53:09 UTC No. 16448264
>>16448231
Actually I think they'll just be fired with severance and the "bidding" will be to get a real job