🧵 /sumo/ - Off Basho Sumo General
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 13:32:57 UTC No. 149591
A Jap, a Mongol, and a Georgian walk out of the NSK edition
Schedule: https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/yea
Banzuke: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.
Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/U9NgddQ3
previous thread: >>143418
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 14:16:24 UTC No. 149597
Say what you will about records, number of yushos, etc. But to even make it to Yokozuna during the Hakuho era where he dominated the field is something in of itself. Good luck to him.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 14:46:24 UTC No. 149605
>>149597
On one hand yes, on the other hand it always tickles me that Kisenosato did back-to-back yusho before Kakuryu did.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:14:34 UTC No. 149610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mK
Kakuryu with his new hairstyle
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 15:33:57 UTC No. 149612
>>149605
Kakuryu is as much of a Japanese product as Kisenosato is.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 18:58:36 UTC No. 149634
bros i miss daily schizo chris content
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 19:00:39 UTC No. 149635
>>149634
Same.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 00:14:52 UTC No. 149680
>>149634
did he died? for a guy that has a sumo channel he seems to really not like sumo very much
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 00:57:13 UTC No. 149688
>>149634
>>149680
He interviewed the guy from the Netflix sumo thing 2 weeks ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W00
Chris is finally doing the stuff he's been promising for years, and conveniently, the anon responsible for the shit stirring over him every thread has clammed up.
It's not worth bringing him up if you can't find something to complain about, it seems.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 01:18:27 UTC No. 149694
>>149688
>the anon responsible for the shit stirring over him every thread has clammed up.
lmao, do you think only one person here hates him
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 01:27:21 UTC No. 149695
>>149694
I'm new, why do people here hate chris? I've only watched his videos going over the kimarite.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 02:03:17 UTC No. 149700
>>149696
waito piggu go homuu
seriously this guy needs to fuck off. Not your sport, not your culture, not your country. I bet he thinks women should be allowed to compete too
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 02:22:00 UTC No. 149704
>>149700
The guy basically got laughed out of sumoforum for his self-absorbed bullshit, trying to claim he's the voice of foreign sumo fans because he wrote some shitty self-published ebooks nobody read and he does the bare minimum to be part of a supporters club.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 03:21:35 UTC No. 149710
>>149694
>lmao, do you think only one person here hates him
I don't "hate" the dude, I just found the few videos I watched of his to be pure cringe. Dude is a pussy and has no business commenting on fighting sports imo.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 03:25:05 UTC No. 149711
>>149593
Ishiura was starting to develop some pretty good techniques to deal with the bigger dudes the few basho before his injury. Sad to see him go.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 03:35:42 UTC No. 149712
>>149704
Is there a few things that annoy me more than foreigners in Japan complaining about the way japan treats foreigners
Japan is for the Japanese, go on vacation take your pictures buy some souvenirs and leave quietly
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 04:20:32 UTC No. 149715
>>149714
Midorifuji, Ishizaki, Kihou, Toshunryuu, Hayatefuji, Yuuma, Tokihayate
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 04:34:33 UTC No. 149718
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 04:37:40 UTC No. 149720
>>149711
>develop some pretty good techniques to deal with the bigger dudes the few basho before his injury.
he was already 32 when that happened. he was nearing the end of his sumo career anyway. just a matter of time till injury took him out
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 05:34:26 UTC No. 149729
>>149720
>just a matter of time till injury took him out
True. Once you enter your 30's, the recovery and healing slows down a lot.
t. old dude
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 10:32:15 UTC No. 149752
>>149729
>Once you enter your 30's, the recovery and healing slows down a lot.
I didn't understand how true this was until I entered my late 20s. I thought my sempais were bullshitting me, or that I was built different
It doesn't happen to everyone but fuck, you'll know it when it happens.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 11:28:34 UTC No. 149757
Does someone need to be an elder to be a coach in a stable?
Hakuho's coach can't coach anymore now that Ishiura got his stock? Or can he still hangout at the stable?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 12:07:35 UTC No. 149765
>>149757
>Does someone need to be an elder to be a coach in a stable?
No, stables can hire whomever they want. Coaches, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc.
The issue is that the stable itself has to pay for their salaries.
On the other hand, if you have a share in the JSA, it's the JSA that pays your salary, so you don't cost the stable anything.
(There's also roles for former wrestlers who can't get shares called sawanin or wakaimonogashira. These are usually long-time juryo or makushita guys who wrestle for 20 years but never qualify for a share. They do administrative work around the stables and JSA, assist with running the events, etc)
These stables don't often operate with very healthy budgets and are heavily subsidized by the JSA and their supporters clubs' contributions. A stable like Nishonoseki can afford to construct a new building with all sorts of training facilities and staff because Nishonoseki (Kisenosato) has access to a lot of money via supporters and sponsorships. Smaller, shittier stables that don't have any popular wrestlers are often run only by the oyakata and okamisan.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 12:16:49 UTC No. 149767
>>149765
Ah. I see. Hakuho can probably afford to pay his former coach?
Or do you think his former coach will retire?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 12:31:19 UTC No. 149771
>>149767
I think the old Magaki will probably just retire.
I imagine Hakuho probably just paid the guy his last four years of salary.
(For reference, at age 65, you have to retire from the association, but you can be permitted to stay on for another five years as a non-voting consultant at a lower salary. You can no longer sit on committees or run a stable but you still offer advice. Old Magaki was already one year into his five-year consultancy.)
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 12:49:34 UTC No. 149774
>>149771
I guess he wanted to quit?
Hakuho had a very good relationship with him, right?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:00:43 UTC No. 149802
>>149774
If you look at it optimistically, you could say that Magaki saw how well things were developing and bowed out gracefully to do what's best for the stable going forward. However, there are power dynamics involved and also large amounts of money, and it's unlikely anyone not directly involved will ever really understand the exact situation. Either way, even if I was his best friend I wouldn't feel all that comfortable standing in the way of Hakuho's plans, he's an important man already and well on his way to becoming one of the most powerful and influential figures in the JSA.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:06:44 UTC No. 149804
>>149774
He can retire if he wants, but there's no rule against the oyakata allowing anyone to hang out in the heya. IIRC Konishiki used to spend a lot of time at Musashigawabeya after retirement because he and Musashimaru were friends, kicking back and offering coaching advice at random.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:07:37 UTC No. 149805
>>149802
>on his way to becoming one of the most powerful and influential figures in the JSA.
The boss has a target on his back bigger than the one Takanohana had, and my bet is that he won't last in the JSA for more than 10 years.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:08:56 UTC No. 149806
>>149805
He should just focus on producing lots of sekitori and make NSK seethe that way instead of dabbling on the politics of the organization.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:37:28 UTC No. 149811
>>149805
reminds me an interview with Takanohana few months back, where he answered No to question, whether he would like to be the same man in another life. He said, he would just like to be a simple man.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:46:57 UTC No. 149812
>>149805
Takanohana's mistake was being too overt and impatient in his ambition.
He was clearly being positioned for future leadership, being placed on the important judging committee at such a young age. He was too open and public about the reforms he wanted to make at the JSA (even if most of the others agreed with him and even implemented some of those changes later.) He wanted to lead, though, and gambled that his support was stronger than it was.
As the cliche goes, when you take a shot at the crown, you'd best not miss.
Kisenosato is similarly being groomed for leadership. He's allowed to hold an extremely prestigious name in Nishonoseki, he's also been placed on the judging committee. As long as he demonstrates he can be a team player, he'll be leading soon enough.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 18:06:49 UTC No. 149816
>>149812
>He's allowed to hold an extremely prestigious name in Nishonoseki
I would like to know more of that.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 18:10:57 UTC No. 149818
>>149812
>Takanohana's mistake was being too impatient in his ambition.
I wouldn't quite say that. He ran for rijichou 11 years after this post was made, and he lost in a bitter & dragged-out campaign. Maybe he never had a chance in the end, but it wasn't for impatience.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 18:16:47 UTC No. 149819
>>149816
Certain shares (kabu, names, etc) have more prestige than others. More historically significant, or, in some cases, the name of an ichimon, like Nishonoseki, Dewanoumi, Takasago...there's others, I don't know them all.
(Ichimon are groups of stables that function like something akin to voting blocs or quasi-political parties within the JSA. Every stable must be affiliated with one.)
When Kisenosato initially retired, he held the Araiso share, which is fine, but he quickly was able to trade for the Nishonoseki name. The JSA has to approve all share transfers and they wouldn't let just anyone hold that name. It's got to be someone they believe can effectively lead an ichimon.
(This happens pretty regularly, for example, why the former Asahifuji swapped out his Ajigawa share when the more prestigious Isegahama share became available.)
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 18:24:46 UTC No. 149821
>>149818
He had already been making a pain in the ass of himself by then. By the time he publicly announced his intention to become a director (which is considered pretty gauche) he was only 36 years old.
The old Boomers were wondering what the big fucking hurry was.
It also didn't help that he's a deeply weird individual who, as he got older, made it plain to everyone that, having grown up in sumo from birth, he had zero clue of how the real world worked.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 18:58:46 UTC No. 149824
Ikioi got his haircut yesterday.
Hard to believe it's been three years since he's out of the top division. I liked him. Never a big star, but a reliable upper maegashira guy. Always fought hard, he was always a tough out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfv
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 19:22:04 UTC No. 149826
>>149822
I don't know what you're trying to say with your image, but it's probably not reflective of reality.
Regardless, elder stock being bought and sold stopped being allowed in 2011. The JSA controls who becomes an elder and which stock they get.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 19:25:46 UTC No. 149827
>>149826
>elder stock being bought and sold stopped being allowed in 2011
lmao oh no sweetheart
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:05:25 UTC No. 149831
>>149827
>you're not seeing the conspiracy!!
Ah, I missed your schizoposting, Chris.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:13:59 UTC No. 149833
>>149826
>Regardless, elder stock being bought and sold stopped being allowed in 2011. The JSA controls who becomes an elder and which stock they get.
There always are and probably always will be financial considerations when stock is exchanged. Guys who paid tens of millions of yen for their stock back in the 90s and are retiring now treated the future sale of their stock as their retirement. The JSA can't just tell them to pound sand since they're still members of the JSA.
What they have cracked down is two things:
- transactions that don't go through the JSA first. (Guys would put up their shares as collateral to secure loans for their failing chanko restaurants)
- one elder owning multiple shares at once. That used to be common, Taiho owned a handful and lent them out to his guys. Takanohana was the real problem since he apparently owned or controlled over a dozen and that gave him outsized influence.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:25:11 UTC No. 149835
>>149833
>There always are and probably always will be financial considerations when stock is exchanged. Guys who paid tens of millions of yen for their stock back in the 90s and are retiring now treated the future sale of their stock as their retirement. The JSA can't just tell them to pound sand since they're still members of the JSA.
I don't doubt that at all, even without the retiring elders to consider, it's in the JSA's best interests to hand out the stock to the most financially connected wrestlers so they keep those finances coming as elders. But the important part is that the transactions go solely through the JSA, which means the JSA also determines which stock goes to which elder for prestige reasons.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:45:09 UTC No. 149838
https://youtu.be/OI_qZOSgp8E
>fat bri'ish geezer pretends like the bri'ish sumo champions arent amateurs
why do all these world sumo faggots try to pretend grand sumo doesnt exis? he tried everything in his power to exaggerate his and his students skills. then he goes on to tell eddie that the sumo world championships are being held in Tokyo, heavily implying that its the real deal.
dont get me wrong, its fun to see sumo in the mainstream, just infuriating reading retards in the comment section that think these guys are actually good. dubs and eddie practices with a beya and gets bodied repeatedly by a makushitter
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 20:46:37 UTC No. 149840
>>149831
Imagine being this fucking retarded that you talk about kabu shit while not knowing anything about kabu news across the last decade. It isn't a conspiracy, it's publicly reported, easily available news. There's a Japanese wikipedia page about various kabu problems over the last two decades. Try looking at some of these things.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/年寄株問題
https://www.news-postseven.com/arch
https://web.archive.org/web/2018052
https://www.zakzak.co.jp/article/20
http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/top
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 21:12:58 UTC No. 149847
>>149824
Ikioi is one of those rikishi that just absolutely embodies sumo. Never quit. Always attack.
The basho where he fought despite his fucked up leg was pure glory, and a testament to human spirit. I hope he does well in intai.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 22:43:45 UTC No. 149868
>>149838
This is why the JSA needs to bring back the guest ozeki system. I would pay so much money to see amasumo champions and aging athletes try to finish a basho.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 22:48:18 UTC No. 149869
>>149868
whats this about guest ozeki?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 22:59:20 UTC No. 149874
>>149869
Back in the Edo period, guys who were particularly physically impressive would debut at ozeki. These guys would usually flame out after a tournament, so they became known as "guest ozeki," though some would go on to lengthy sumo careers.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 23:50:40 UTC No. 149889
>>149840
Thanks, Chris. I've actually read those links before, but I appreciate you posting them for the thread. Obviously, you can't divulge your insider sources in the JSA.
I would never ask you to compromise yourself like that.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:15:27 UTC No. 149893
>>149889
You might actually be schizophrenic if you think the Chuunichi Shinbun, one of the most serious newspapers in Japan, is conspiratorial schizoposting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuni
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:19:52 UTC No. 149897
>>149695
massive ego and also constant schizo shit and headcanons during videos
like the teru vs hak match he did this 6 minute long cringe ass intro acting like he knew what hakuho was thinking
a few days later hak did an interview saying he was fucking terrified to fight teru and wasnt sure he could take the win
chris is alright to watch if youre fresh into sumo and need info but the second you start learning shit on your own and watching the tournaments and translated interviews the entire show he runs becomes worthless
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:21:24 UTC No. 149898
>>149847
>The basho where he fought despite his fucked up leg was pure glory, and a testament to human spirit. I hope he does well in intai.
I think he'll do OK.
He's currently coaching at Isenoumi-beya. (Nishikigi's stable)
It's not a big stable, but they've got some prospects.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:23:27 UTC No. 149899
>>149897
This.
When Chris just posts reports on amateur or lower division stuff, he's great. Once he gets into his conspiracy theory shit and decides he knows what a bunch of 60 year old Japanese Boomers are thinking, he goes completely around the bend.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:27:42 UTC No. 149900
>>149889
Here's a quote from a one-on-one interview 6 days ago with Ushiomaru's widow, the woman who has just sold the Furiwake kabu to Myougiryuu.
>Q: Did Chairman Hakkaku consent to the sale to Myougiryuu?
>A: Yes, of course. I didn't do anything without everyone's consent.
Hmm. Unless - there's an even bigger conspiracy! She's lying to cover up the fact that the Kyoukai really does control everything!!!!!!
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:34:03 UTC No. 149902
>>149900
OK so...thereby proving the point that all share transfers are made with the JSA's approval.
By God, you've cracked it!
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:36:19 UTC No. 149903
>>149902
Chris is drunk and arguing with himself. It's like the Spiderman pointing at himself meme but everyone's middle-aged, English, and fat.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:01:39 UTC No. 149915
>>149902
>>149826
>elder stock being bought and sold stopped being allowed in 2011
I've just demonstrated that you haven't been paying attention for at least a decade, or that you're new to sumo. Oh, and kabu loans are also allowed, despite being banned for 12 years. From Japanese Wikipedia:
>借株および金銭授受は禁止された。しかし、その後も借株の年寄は存在して
>The JSA has to approve all share transfers and they wouldn't let just anyone hold that name
Also wrong. You intentionally just said 'uhh that can't be right' to the Tamarikido image instead of acknowledging it because you knew you were wrong. Go back there >>149822 and tell me what happened if I'm so obviously and schizophrenically wrong.
Was Tamarikido suddenly considered to be worthy of the name Nishonoseki 3 years after retiring and taking the name Araiso, but then the NSK changed their minds after 18 months of his using it, and forced him to move to Matsugane? Or - are kabu loans just a thing, and only 2~3 kabu in existence have any supposed reputation associated with them?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:07:23 UTC No. 149918
>>149915
Your conspiracy theory would be more entertaining if it had more red string. Right now you're just taking screen shots from sumodb and hoping we somehow make your point for you.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:14:12 UTC No. 149919
>>149915
There's a set number of kabu at any time plus whichever yokozuna haven't gotten a regular one yet (like Kakuryu until recently) so they don't want to have one vacant for an extended period of time because it means the JSA as a collective body is shorthanded. So yes, Tamarikido was the transitional Nishonoseki for a brief period after Kongo's retirement in a kabu dance while they were shuffling around which kabu they wanted Kisenosato to own, but you're a special kind of stupid if you think a 17 month exception invalidates the general trend.
If kabu were meaningless then you'd just see one guy grab one and then keep it until he retired instead of seeing people shuffling around for seemingly no reason.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:15:38 UTC No. 149920
>>149918
Being quite serious, do you not know how to read those pages? What I'm saying is very clear if you can read them.
The one you're replying to shows that the former wrestler Bushuyama began using the Onogawa kabu in January 2013, then stopped using it and switched to Kiyomigata in January 2016, then stopped using it and switched to Kasugayama in May 2020, then stopped using it and switched to Matsuchiyama in May 2021.
All of this can be cross-checked on the NSK's site on the wayback machine if you are paranoid enough to not trust sumodb.
https://web.archive.org/web/2016080
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:20:09 UTC No. 149922
>>149920
I think perhaps you should re-center yourself and maybe think about who's post you're replying to. Because right now you're replying to everyone and I think whatever point you were trying to make has been lost.
No one's disagreeing with you. They're just making fun of you.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:21:45 UTC No. 149923
>>149919
>instead of seeing people shuffling around for seemingly no reason
But there always is a reason, and you could follow the logic if you followed the sumo columns that write about those things. Almost no one is insane enough to persist in that, but it's most-all documented. I think the last one which was murky even to the journalists was the Goueidou and Takekuma episode.
Anyway, it's rarely more than a political or sentimental move. If your oyakata was Izutsu, maybe you want Izutsu more than Michinoku. When Izutsu becomes available in 2040, the owner is willing to swap with you and then sell Michinoku to the next guy.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:23:10 UTC No. 149925
>>149923
>But there always is a reason,
...which was the point you were arguing against in the first place.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:30:12 UTC No. 149926
Has anybody eaten chanko before? I want to try it but honestly it seems kind of gross like wilted slippery vegetables and just lots of soft boiled things
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:32:11 UTC No. 149927
>>149922
I think the thread of conversation has been lost because of the mocking rather than anything else.
-retards think that something changed in 2011 because English Wikipedia says so; nothing changed
-the changes they usually come up with are: centralized kabu control, bans on kabu purchases/sales, bans on kabu loans
-they come up with these because the Japanese government told the NSK to do these things in 2011
-Tamarikido was an easy example of the NSK not being too concerned with who fills in a particular name that isn't Dewanoumi or Kasugano. That was in response to the bizarre centralization claim which really has no foundation
-Ushiomaru's wife's interview is hard proof that buying and selling of kabus remains in the NSK. It is currently news because the existence of proof is considered a scandal.
-Bushuyama is obviously bouncing around kabu because he is loaning from their owners, not because he possessed $10,000,000 to buy them all up. This is a strong piece of evidence of the existence of loans.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:34:20 UTC No. 149928
>>149925
I said the NSK wasn't machinating behind name changes, I didn't say wrestlers lacked agency.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:35:26 UTC No. 149929
>>149927
No one disputes any of that, though. This post >>149833 should have been the end of it. Then Chris or some pseudoChris had a seizure.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:39:25 UTC No. 149930
>>149929
Whichever retard kept replying to me calling me a schizo is the one responsible
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:46:27 UTC No. 149932
>>149927
The important think that needs to be understood is that the JSA becoming a public interest company in 2011 means that their financial records are open to the government and they have three government appointees in the JSA in oversight roles, which means the government already knows what the JSA is doing, which means if the government doesn't say "don't do that" it's implied approval by lack of disapproval. So both things can and likely are true: direct buying and selling of kabu isn't a thing anymore, but are still indirectly via a combination of the JSA wanting (and likely legally needing) to make right for the pre-2011 holders and wanting to ensure incoming elders are still well enough connected to support the JSA financially. It's like the difference between buying a condo vs. joining a housing co-op.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 02:07:04 UTC No. 149935
>>149932
I think that's a fair perspective.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 02:08:12 UTC No. 149936
>>149926
>Has anybody eaten chanko before?
It's soup. Make it yourself with what you like.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 04:27:23 UTC No. 149948
>>149936
But the sumos dump the whole fridge in there, I want to try the excessive version
I'd make it myself but I dont have friends and cant eat all of it myself
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 04:37:14 UTC No. 149950
>>149838
>someone with almost zero sumo training strengthmoggs everyone in the gym
I get what you’re saying, that these guys don’t hold a candle to any sekitori but it’s pretty obvious these are regular guys with day jobs that just train on the side. They pretend ozumo doesn’t exist because it’s a closed pool that doesn’t interact with them, simple as. I’m sure every one of them dreams of competing in ozumo but that’s obviously never going to happen
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 04:41:22 UTC No. 149951
>>149926
>>149948
Chanko by itself refers to any sumo meal whereas chanko-nabe is the dish itself.
I ate some at the Kokugikan during this past January tournament. It was pretty tasty. Honestly one of my favorite things I ate in Japan.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 04:59:59 UTC No. 149955
>>149838
eddie had no idea what he was doing and by the end basically figured out his style of sumo.
thats how easy this is
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 05:02:10 UTC No. 149956
>>149955
also the small advantage of being a world-tier competitive powerlifter
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 05:03:49 UTC No. 149957
>>149946
>norf jsa
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 05:50:11 UTC No. 149958
>>149838
Why does he have a backwards tattoo on his titty?
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 07:14:27 UTC No. 149968
>>149897
>he did this 6 minute long cringe ass intro acting like he knew what hakuho was thinking
Holy shit how are you this dumb.
Tbh, I like Chris, and now seeing that his haters here are 90iq (and most likely American), I'm gonna continue liking Chris too.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 07:26:04 UTC No. 149969
>>149968
ok Chris, you do you
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 08:09:41 UTC No. 149971
>>149695
For someone who's covered sumo as long as he has, he has surprisingly little technical knowledge of sumo or even grappling in general. His technique breakdowns are atrocious.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:33:06 UTC No. 149997
>>149971
>For someone who's covered sumo as long as he has, he has surprisingly little technical knowledge of sumo or even grappling in general.
There is no one right way to enjoy sumo.
Some people enjoy the pageantry, others only care about the fights themselves. Some like to cheer for a single wrestler only, others watch as a true neutral.
And others, like Chris, enjoy sumo as a way to write fanfic about elderly Japanese men with CTE engaging in House of Cards-style politicking.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:35:42 UTC No. 149998
>>149997
>like Chris, enjoy sumo as a way to write fanfic about elderly Japanese men with CTE engaging in House of Cards-style politicking.
Objectively the most based way to enjoy anything. Schizo posting as a high energy hobby
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:42:26 UTC No. 150000
Oho will be Yokozuna.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 11:22:35 UTC No. 150003
>>150000
yes, Taihou was a yokozuna
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 12:22:55 UTC No. 150009
>>150000
Checked.
I look forward to his rivalry with yokozuna Hoshoryu, but I fear Oho will be the Kisenosato of the pair.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 13:34:18 UTC No. 150021
>>150008
it could but at the end of the day its still more of a skill sport than a strength sport. remember that he spent his life building that physique, he wouldnt have been able to reach the same level if he had to spend half his day training wrestling. also the fact that lots of rikishi are probably natural and the ones who do juice are probably running a retard tier cycle.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:06:17 UTC No. 150024
>>150021
>retard cycles
many of takakeisho's injuries are similar to ones you see in roiding lifters. the pec tear being the big one
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:27:36 UTC No. 150026
>>150024
Tbh, I'm not surprised you can tear a pec wrestling. Fast moving heavy things (like sumo wrestlers) produce a great deal of force when they're slowed. So that's not itself, indicative of roid usage as much as, say, Teru, Midori, Tochi and the Waka Bros gigantic traps.
>>150008
Wakatakakage and Wakamotoharu are both using at least as many steroids. So was Tochi in his prime - but they didn't grow quite as big because they're not Hafthor. Lotta guys have used like him, but few are his size or strength.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:59:15 UTC No. 150029
>>150026
using big traps as proof of roids is unreliable at best. i dont doubt the possibility of anyone using, especially the waka bros given their sudden success, but "tochi in his prime" doesnt really make sense to me. why would anyone stop using steroids after such good results? if anything, injury recovery would give him more of a reason to use them. in my mind either he never used (possible but unlikely) or continues to use which demonstrates that steroids arent the be all end all of wrestling.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 15:01:49 UTC No. 150030
>>150008
Being rounder makes it harder to get a hold of your belt
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 15:03:25 UTC No. 150031
>>149997
>ask foreigners why they like sumo
>yeaaah maaan it's like, seeing all the culture and tradition maaan
>ask Japanese why they like sumo
>I rike seeing biggu fatto man pushing each otha!
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 16:51:33 UTC No. 150047
>>150029
Oh I'm sure he continued to the bitter end. And they're absolutely not the be all, just a significant advantage once you're already skilled.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:39:57 UTC No. 150086
>>150000
Quads confirm
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 23:07:18 UTC No. 150107
>>149948
>I'd make it myself but I dont have friends and cant eat all of it myself
It's literally just a broth, veggies, and some proteins, and can be made in portions as large or small as you need. I make my own versions and serve it over rice. Delicious.
A lot of the Japanese recipes I see use a fish broth, but I roll with a chicken/beef/pork broth. I use celery, onion, bell pepper, chilli peppers, garlic and or ginger, cabbage, carrots, green onion, onions sauce, fish sauce, and chicken/beef/pork. Shit's the bomb.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 23:35:51 UTC No. 150109
>>150029
>steroids arent the be all end all of wrestling.
They aren't. They help, for sure, but success comes down to genetics, motivation, and skill. Some dudes just have a genetic advantage, and when they combine that with high motivation and skill, steroids are little more than the icing on the proverbial cake.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 23:55:20 UTC No. 150111
>>150008
>Wouldn't looking like this make you more effective in sumo than looking like sumo wrestlers usually look like?
Sumo relies pretty heavily on the mass part of the force = mass x velocity equation. The tachiai in Osumo is way more emphasized compared to international / amateur sumo, so they want the extra mass that fat provides to create greater force at the tachiai. The goal of the rikishi is to maintain the velocity part of the equation despite adding additional mass. The best wrestlers find a sweet spot and maintain that weight, while the marginal guys allow themselves to get too heavy to compete effectively. You look at guys like Hakuho, Kakuryu, and Asashoryu, and they all maintained a fighting weight as yokozuna, and while having fat that a lot of other athletes would not, they were comprised mostly of muscle.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 00:10:45 UTC No. 150114
>>150111
>they all maintained a fighting weight as yokozuna, and while having fat that a lot of other athletes would not, they were comprised mostly of muscle
What do you make of Kitanoumi? He was active at the same time as Chiyonofuji and was virtually statistically identical to Chiyonofuji, 4 cm height difference but 35 kg heavier than him.
Kitanoumi's makuuchi record: 804-247
Chiyonofuji's makuuchi record: 807-253
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 00:17:47 UTC No. 150115
>>150114
Not him, but Chiyonofuji was relatively underweight for his size because he relied more on agility and throws than the others. In fact he frequently got hurt as a maegashira going for throws and needed to go to a more traditional style to stay healthy enough to make yokozuna. Kitanoumi on the other hand was a more traditional wrestler from the beginning, and his physique reflected it. He was well known for his strength and balance, ironically living up to being a human mountain more than Chiyono*fuji* did.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 00:18:24 UTC No. 150116
>>150111
>>150114
Sumo has a meta like any sport, which evolves
>football: tiki-taka, then gegenpressing, etc
>tennis: serve-and-volley, then return-game groundstrokes, etc
You build your body and your skills to beat the opponents who stand in your way.
A good example is Takanohana. He has a pretty slender frame but he put on tons of weight because of Akebono's size. Takanohana was a natural around 130kg but beefed himself up to 150kg because he needed the mass to shift Akebono's 230kg.
Takanohana fucked up his liver carrying that much extra mass.
You can see it throughout sumo history. Wrestlers' builds grow and shrink depending on the prevalent meta (size and style).
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 02:41:54 UTC No. 150131
wanting rikishi to look more jacked is the same as wanting rikishi to look more handsome. It's all aesthetic preference with little correlation to sumo performance.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 02:46:39 UTC No. 150134
>>150131
>how dare people have preferences for things
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 02:56:34 UTC No. 150135
>>150131
having a big belly is definitely better though, the lower center of gravity
I'm very broad up top and when I play volley ball at the beach I look like a baby learning to walk in the sand
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 05:35:49 UTC No. 150143
>>150116
>Sumo has a meta like any sport, which evolves
That's a great point. I find it interesting to see a lot of the old depictions of rikishi in Japanese art having a lot of fat on their frames, while we also have early photos of rikishi from the 1900's that show them without having a lot of fat on their frames to the point they look skinny compared to modern rikishi. I guess the meta is always changing, and always will, and it's true we see it in other sports as well.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:29:28 UTC No. 150149
>>150143
>we also have early photos of rikishi from the 1900's that show them without having a lot of fat on their frames
It changed even more rapidly than that. Umegatani II would get shit for being fat in the 00s, and this developed into a weird minor complex by his peers about the next generation of wrestlers gaining weight because of his having served as inspiration by being a fat yokozuna.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 06:33:22 UTC No. 150150
>>150149
This is from somewhere around 1920~22 and is a great view of the changing mindsets I mentioned
Text on the side reads:
>The musclebound body of Tochigiyama on the right ought to be taken as a model by today's modern rikishi, whereas Wakahitachi seen on the left has a body like that of Umegatani - one that is too heavy for him and which produces innumerable weaknesses. Indeed his is a body of a bygone age but, with a great deal of effort, it is all too easy to imagine he might redeem himself yet.
I'm of the view that the sport always has gone through little fits and spurts like these every other decade or so, and that they aren't noticeable except from a great remove.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 08:12:36 UTC No. 150155
>>150150
>too heavy for him and which produces innumerable weaknesses.
takageniusbros.....
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 21:56:03 UTC No. 150224
Last basho was solid but I kind of miss our regularly scheduled clown basho...
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 22:10:06 UTC No. 150226
>>150150
I wonder how much better off they would be with modern scientific approaches to training
for example training the way football players do with modern equipment
it seems a lot of the injuries happen from the way they train more than anything
they should use resistance training to stimulate muscle growth which cuts down the time dramatically. The only weights I ever really see in a stable are guys doing curls off to the side
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 22:20:14 UTC No. 150230
>>150226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxN
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 22:53:50 UTC No. 150236
>>150230
>>150226
>using equipment to train has benefits that aren't captured by traditional training methods
who woulda thought
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 23:13:53 UTC No. 150242
>>150226
>they should use resistance training to stimulate muscle growth which cuts down the time dramatically. The only weights I ever really see in a stable are guys doing curls off to the side
Every wrestler in every major stable already incorporates weight training into their routines. They have for decades.
🗑️ AAU fattass at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 23:24:12 UTC No. 150243
>>149591
>>>/vg/432702091
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Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 23:52:06 UTC No. 150246
>>150243
bruh
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 23:53:02 UTC No. 150247
>>150243
I saw that.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 00:00:03 UTC No. 150252
>>150249
I think he means something like Big Dan 11-4 J, Kimbo 12-3 Y with 2 corona fusen
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 01:46:52 UTC No. 150266
>>150230
this is kinda proving the point, they're doing highschool gym class exercises
honestly they need to be running sprints and pushing sleds
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 01:50:50 UTC No. 150268
>>150226
>a lot of the injuries happen from the way they train more than anything
It's not the training that injures them, it's the sparring. Body weight exercises, like those used by rikishi, are far less likely to result in injury than are "modern" techniques, like weight lifting and machines. They pretty much go full bore with their sparring, however, and when you do that, you are opening yourself up to injury, which is just a compromise you make in combat sports.
Check out some interviews with Konishiki about how he trained. He used to absolutely beat the shit out of any rikishi who took advantage of their rank and treated him bad. He respected the rank structure and would just wait until he had the opportunity to face them in the dohyo during training to get his payback. His fellow rikishi learned pretty quick to not fuck with him, or else he would maul the shit out of them in training. Dude talks about breaking noses, arms, and putting a dude in the hospital. Brutal shit, man.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 02:06:52 UTC No. 150272
>>150266
>running sprints
The shiko they do builds far more powerful legs than sprints ever could.
>pushing sleds
They do butsukari-geiko, which is similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi5
The training program they use is pretty solid, tried and true, and makes use of limited resources and space. Those traditional exercises have been used for a reason, and that is that they have proven to work over time.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 02:07:03 UTC No. 150273
>>150266
>pushing sleds
have you ever watched sumo training
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 03:35:02 UTC No. 150286
While they do weight training, many of them dont know what theyre doing and have horrible form.
Watching asanoyama pull 200kg for like 3 reos iirc was pretty painful
also under over with straps is peak retard
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 03:44:53 UTC No. 150290
>>150286
>While they do weight training, many of them dont know what theyre doing and have horrible form.
This is true of every sport though, really. Behold the pinnacle of athleticism
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQhFNhl
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 04:49:41 UTC No. 150300
>>150290
There is doing stupid training things, and then there is doing the movements incredibly poorly. most professional sports athletes that need strength in their sport seem to know how to do the movements properly
>inb4 laBomb squat
i wouldn't count sports like basketball or golf as one of those.
sports like field events, highland games, football/rugby, hockey to an extent etc. the mma guys train pretty correctly too. you would also need to compare athletes with similar talent level (pro-bowlers belt, holders, medalist) to someone who made ozeki
seeing form like kovacs is more typical
https://youtube.com/shorts/IGWWjkwM
then to webm related
the ig page took the diddy down too. id want it down too if i was asanoyama.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 04:58:25 UTC No. 150302
>>150300
>webm related
dear god, that's not what I expected from the pic you posted before
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 04:59:51 UTC No. 150303
>>150300
>that slight right knee lock
Dear god.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 05:11:13 UTC No. 150306
>>150302
>>150303
like compare that to what terunofuji was doing here >>150230 or hakuho's bench here
https://www.instagram.com/p/BffzE9g
Id not be suprised if most sumo weight training consists of pic related
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 05:28:33 UTC No. 150311
If you've ever been to a steak house in Japan you'll realise they know nothing of flesh
No seasoning, soggy exterior, dry pitiful sides
It's no wonder they don't lift weights properly, they are too anemic
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 05:31:09 UTC No. 150312
>>150311
sure thing american
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 05:35:35 UTC No. 150313
>>150311
Wheres dem' seasons?
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 09:47:10 UTC No. 150329
tournament highlights are up, more late than usual
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoTo
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 12:21:17 UTC No. 150341
>>150311
I had great steak in osaka. One was a Brazilian style place and one was a kobe beef place. It looks like you went to some fake American style place and not somewhere good from how that shits plated
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 12:26:10 UTC No. 150342
>>150340
Nothing wrong with the exercise itself, but that guy's form is awful and he's a former UFC HW champion.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 12:32:04 UTC No. 150343
>>150342
considering its 203lbs kettlebell, its not going to move like a 40lbs crossfit swing. there isn't anything wrong with the hip portion thats being trained. its mostly the crashing back down that looks bad because the weight is hard for him to maintain. its not much different than a clean pull
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 13:34:57 UTC No. 150348
>>150300
Who told the story of the time Hak (or Teru?) invited a visiting Mongolian (single ply, equipped) 83kg powerlifter out for drinks when he was competing in Japan. And the powerlifter asked what Hak (or Teru?) benched and laughed in his face when he heard it was 80kg and said he did 160kg.
That Yokozuna then hired the powerlifter to be his weights coach almost on the spot. I think it was Hak desu
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 20:31:15 UTC No. 150412
>>150348
harumafuji while he was ozeki i believe
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Jun 2023 23:21:47 UTC No. 150443
>>149522
I'll miss Speedin', but this one is amazing as well. I think it's a great harbinger for the new era of sumo, hopefully a more stable one.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 12:08:30 UTC No. 150491
Chris put up a neat interview with Chiyotairyu.
Interesting to see how guys turn out when they leave sumo altogether.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 12:51:34 UTC No. 150495
>>150481
>an ozeki was only able to bench 80kg
Without a doubt, he would have been talking what he did for 10 reps, after morning training, while just doing the bare minimum to get through the boring weights training.
Most (real) athletes hate weights! If they liked it, they'd be a powerlifter, usually. They'll literally do just whatever is written down by weights coach, they won't really try hard, just hardish and then go do "real" training. Even great athletes are like this
>>150412
Ah yeah makes more sense.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 12:57:21 UTC No. 150496
>>150491
>Opens up a bar in Roppongi
>New tattoos
Yakuzabros, we're back
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 13:57:20 UTC No. 150500
>>150496
I almost joined the yakuza once, I was going to be a door man for a money laundering operation in shibuya
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 13:59:50 UTC No. 150501
>>150500
What stopped you?
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:27:38 UTC No. 150503
>>150501
I don't really have a good reason, I just didn't seize the opportunity and decided to go back home instead
what happened was I was at the gym and it had a martial arts area, and I see 2 guys wrestling so I went over and asked if I could work out with them. they were both pretty good, we worked out for a while and then parted ways never to see each other again or so I thought.
2 or 3 weeks later I went out with some friends and we were headed to a bar which was a very discrete building
two well dressed door men wearing suits and ear pieces are standing in front and one of them happens to be one of the guys I worked out with a few weeks earlier
they check everything before letting people through the doors then the bar itself is down a staircase under ground with another door and door man
the price to get in was ¥1000, all you can drink and eat (had a help yourself table with chicken, dumplings, sausages and stuff, you know just bar food) inside is a small bar, no more than 1000sqft but its really full of people because you can't beat that price, they're basically giving food and alcohol away for free.
despite the small size there's 4 more security guys in there with one of them patrolling the room. and in the back corner there's a table with the guys obviously in charge sitting there smoking and watching everything
I talked to my acquaintance for a while about working there as security because he knows I can fight well, he would recommend me to do an interview with the boss but I never did it
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 17:39:31 UTC No. 150526
>>150503
>two well dressed door men wearing suits and ear pieces
I would have walked past and gone to the next place. I've watched too many 80s yakuza films to get involved in that shit.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Jun 2023 20:54:45 UTC No. 150553
>>150495
>Most (real) athletes hate weights!
laughing larry allen
https://youtu.be/aX-YuvQkSRE
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 09:42:28 UTC No. 150636
>>150553
Obviously some do, most don't. Which would be obvious if you spent time around them
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 12:32:01 UTC No. 150648
>>150647
Wait...were there people actually fantasizing about her being cute?
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:01:24 UTC No. 150654
>>150647
I knew I recognised that voice
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:03:56 UTC No. 150655
>>150647
She's into kpop and writes fanfiction. This was the only way it could've turned out.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:33:23 UTC No. 150657
>>150648
>>150655
If a woman does not show her face in her videos, there is just one reason
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 14:02:57 UTC No. 150660
>>150648
Yeah. The idea of sharing sumo enjoyment with a gf is a recurring fantasy here.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 14:48:12 UTC No. 150669
>>150647
Shes not a lost cause, if she lost 50 lbs and took a shower she could be a 6 or 7
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 17:48:44 UTC No. 150700
>>150647
She's cute, what are you on about?
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 17:57:08 UTC No. 150702
I've started ripping the english commentary videos from NHK for my friends who don't want to watch it in Japanese. There any interest in my started up a dropbox for this that we can link in the thread? Might help more people get into Sumo.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 18:04:33 UTC No. 150703
>>149926
I make it myself for watch parties. It's like chili/Stew. As long as it's chicken based you can put pretty much whatever you want in. That's why Each stable has a different recipe.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 18:19:05 UTC No. 150705
>>150311
Yeah the nips seem to really struggle with beef that isn't ground for some reason.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 18:45:02 UTC No. 150708
>>150705
Eating meat was banned to various degrees throughout Japan's feudal days for both religious and practical reasons. It's simply much easier for an island archipelago nation to get their protein from fish and tofu instead of razing land to raise livestock. Wagyu cattle were used as working animals by the noble estates, not as food, until western influence in the Meiji period.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:44:40 UTC No. 150712
>>150708
Oh yeah. It absolutely makes sense historically. It's just weird that their economy was able to make such a massive leap forward, and that their food is generally considered world-class. Except they just can't seem to get a decent steak right.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:45:44 UTC No. 150713
>>150660
>Yeah. The idea of sharing sumo enjoyment with a gf is a recurring fantasy here.
There are a number of anons here who watch with their wives/gfs. It's easier to get women into sumo than, say, boxing or MMA.
My wife started watching with me a few months after I did and has really gotten into it. She knows how to use SumoDB and knows enough about the top division to be able to say when a result is an upset vs. just poor matchup. (Still an Abi fan, though...)
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:47:42 UTC No. 150714
>>150712
They can get a decent steak right, if you pay for it. You're not going to get an American-style budget steakhouse because there's far less available beef in Japan than in the US. Therefore you absolutely get what you pay for. Steak in Japan is best saved as a once-a-year luxury meal at a fancy high-class restaurant.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:49:46 UTC No. 150715
>>150713
This. My GF and I were channel surfing in a hotel while high. and started watching NHK. They started their broadcast of day 6 of the 2022 May Basho. Murray had said something about "getting back to the hot action" and she wouldn't stop laughing. We watched it sober the next day to see if it was as mesmerizing and it was.
>>150714
Oh yeah. There's a massive powergap between "quality" American Beef and Quality Japanese beef. We've got it easy here in the states (speaking as a midwesterner) where we've got more land and cows than we know what to do with Vs. Japan and it's insane land scarcity.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 20:06:35 UTC No. 150716
>>150712
>Except they just can't seem to get a decent steak right.
I don't think a big hunk of prime rib is really in their wheelhouse. Their meats always seem to be thinly sliced for quick cooking. (Think yakiniku, for example.)
The one Western-style steak I've ever had in Japan, though, at a place in Yokohama was outstanding, but very much cooked in the French style.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 20:35:28 UTC No. 150718
>>150713
>My wife started watching with me a few months after I did
Mine was worried I was sexually attracted to the wrestlers, and then she just started calling it "fat dudes" and left me to it. She has 0 interest in joining me, it doesn't help that I'm watching it on Natto, without any English commentary.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:14:40 UTC No. 150721
>>150719
She looks like 35 what the fuck are you doing
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:16:22 UTC No. 150722
>>150719
You hit with the sumo card too soon. Should've started with JMMA like Rizin.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:18:47 UTC No. 150723
>>150721
if you're not about that ara ara~ life I don't know what to tell you
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:22:12 UTC No. 150724
>>150694
I didn't realize the Masquerade was observed in Japan too
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:23:40 UTC No. 150725
>>150713
This is all my wife knows of 4chan.
When her lib friends talk about it (they're usually talking about /pol/) she's like "WTF are you talking about? It's just a bunch of guys talking about sumo wrestling. Some of the jokes may be a little crude, but it's hardly the cesspit you're thinking of."
She's actually been the source of a couple of the nicknames on the power rankings chart.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:31:30 UTC No. 150726
>>150724
The Kuei-jin presence actually make it more important
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 21:34:51 UTC No. 150727
>>150702
Yes, huge interest desu
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 22:58:39 UTC No. 150735
>>150702
>not watching the superior natto version with Japanese commentary
So desu ne. Even though I don't speak Japanese, I can't stand the English commentary I've heard, so I just roll with the pure Japanese stuff, like natto.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Jun 2023 23:07:18 UTC No. 150736
>>150735
Everyone gets used to the Japanese eventually. You start to be able to pick out words and phrases, and eventually it becomes part of your vernacular. Listening to it in English sounds weird and stilted.
My gf, when her favorite, Abi, won his title, she threw her arms up and screamed without thinking about it:
>Abi yusho!!
This is a girl who speaks zero Japanese.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Jun 2023 03:17:40 UTC No. 150749
>>150647
top kek
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Jun 2023 12:48:48 UTC No. 150772
>Inosuke managed to cut his own fingers with the gold scissors at Kak's hair cutting ceremony
How does this bowling pin motherfucker keep doing it lmao
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Jun 2023 16:43:00 UTC No. 150780
>>150772
Link?
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:19:32 UTC No. 150783
>>150780
https://youtu.be/AGB_j277MPQ?t=101
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:33:12 UTC No. 150799
>>150719
She's cute. Ganbare, Anonnoyama.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 02:32:25 UTC No. 150830
Ura was screwed
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 02:45:06 UTC No. 150833
>>150830
ura is the cutest
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 06:02:06 UTC No. 150844
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 06:15:04 UTC No. 150845
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 07:26:47 UTC No. 150849
>>150719
What a beech.
Fuckin' hoe, Ozumo is the best thing that came out of Japan.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 13:00:24 UTC No. 150869
>>150840
>>150841
Seriously though, what the fuck is this shit about? It's weird.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 13:03:24 UTC No. 150871
>>150869
Touch the fucking belly
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 13:18:38 UTC No. 150873
>>150844
>>150869
Remember that Ozumo is a giant Shinto ritual. Shinto has its own 2000+ years of superstitions and shit.
This has to do with the idea that if you're pregnant and touch a rikishi's belly, you'll transfer some of the rikishi's power and strength to the unborn child.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 15:15:16 UTC No. 150884
>>150869
One of the old NSK Boomers thought this would be a good way to connect with the fans.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 22:20:32 UTC No. 150914
>>150884
With how many young women there were, they were right.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Jun 2023 23:36:42 UTC No. 150926
>>150869
It's been tradition for years to hand over your baby for a rikishi to hold to give the baby strength. The belly rub is just an extension of that, and it works the same way you get luck for rubbing the belly of a Buddah.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 03:39:42 UTC No. 150956
If I touch terunofuji’s belly will I be gifted his strength
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:48:57 UTC No. 150965
>>150956
No, the baby in your womb will.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 09:45:17 UTC No. 150972
>>150965
If I hide in a woman's uterus and get her to touch Terunofuji's belly, will I gain his powers?
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:44:22 UTC No. 150974
>>150972
This feels like the basis for some urban legend youkai myth
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 23:03:59 UTC No. 151047
>>149812
someone as dumb as kisenasato should not be given any iota of power
nigger permagimped himself for Yamato diamishi bullshit, his bullshit just gonna fuck over more wrestlers in the future
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 23:14:21 UTC No. 151049
>>151047
Alternatively, how much of an embarrassment his yokozuna tenure was could have smartened him up. He seems to be on the right track as stablemaster, building a large training area with equipment and methods that are modern for sumo standards.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 23:17:09 UTC No. 151050
>>151049
>embarrassment his yokozuna tenure was could have smartened him up.
That's probably the case imo. He studied NFL football management and training, and it seems to have made a big impression on him. IMHO, he's more likely to say "don't make the same mistake I did" and push rikishi to get treatment for serious injuries, rather than shrug them off the way he did.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 23:35:00 UTC No. 151052
>>150107
try dashi stock in either concentrate or powdered form
it's fish stock, but without the "nasty" fishiness
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Jun 2023 23:50:21 UTC No. 151054
>>150348
numbers must be off, I'm 83kg and I can bench 130
and I barely go to the gym
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Jun 2023 01:19:43 UTC No. 151070
We're between bashos but I still need my sumo fix, what do?
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Jun 2023 01:51:12 UTC No. 151073
>>151070
Buy some sumo trading card packs
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Jun 2023 02:23:52 UTC No. 151078
>>151070
Watch some old basho.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Jun 2023 02:27:35 UTC No. 151079
>>151070
Watch old matches. There's a million match compilations you can find searching 思い出の土俵:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyN
or check out the association's channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@sumo-video
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Jun 2023 04:12:40 UTC No. 151094
>>151070
write the JSA some hate mail
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Jun 2023 04:49:46 UTC No. 151100
>>151099
>t. Ted Kajinosuke
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Jun 2023 16:09:53 UTC No. 151152
>>151070
get other interests.
go join ameteur sumo.
>>151054
nah, it can easily be that bad. see
>>150306
>100kg squats with poor form
>>150300
>200kg diddy with poor form
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Jun 2023 04:03:07 UTC No. 151250
>>151094
>write the JSA some hate mail
Dear JSA donkeypigs.
You are nothing without me! So desu ne, you will NEVER be anything without me!
t. totally not Asashoryu
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 14 Jun 2023 04:21:08 UTC No. 151252
>>149591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvq
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Jun 2023 03:35:22 UTC No. 151404
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t6JA
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:59:37 UTC No. 151449
>>151441
Was the number something else before?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:14:52 UTC No. 151451
>>151449
100k likes, which he hit a few days ago. Someone probably mentioned drug testing, and now he is trying to back out and save face.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:31:48 UTC No. 151453
>>151451
Steroids are legal in Japan, though. And he could never officially join the JSA in the first place.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Jun 2023 17:37:33 UTC No. 151503
>>151441
Remember that a million views, not even likes on a Youtube video is estimated to be worth around 3200 American dollars. Everyone on Youtube has a huge financial incentive to push for more clicks at every opportunity. Still, I don't think we'll be seeing Eddie at the Kokugikan any time soon.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:38:50 UTC No. 151545
>>151470
I've read a hentai like this before, but the girl was crying instead.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:56:11 UTC No. 151548
>>151545
>I've read a hentai like this before, but the girl was crying instead.
...and it wasn't a hentai it was a movie
...and it wasn't a movie and it was real life
...and it wasn't a sumo wrestler it was my dad
...and it wasn't Drew Barrymore and it was me
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:41:09 UTC No. 151593
>>151548
I didn't say that. You need to go back to kindergarten to relearn how to read.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 07:18:15 UTC No. 151596
>>151511
throwing zabutons was such a great feat, really shame they prohibited that. I guess the yobidashi were fed up already picking them up lol
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 10:01:48 UTC No. 151612
>>151610
Who?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 10:26:30 UTC No. 151615
>>151614
Oh man, I couldn't recognize him at all from head-on.
With how pressurized the makushita joi has been lately, I believe he'll explode to double digits in juryo.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 10:45:19 UTC No. 151616
>>151610
I like the mawashi color. It's not black, at least, which seems to be a very popular color for sekitori mawashi nowadays.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 11:56:55 UTC No. 151619
>>151610
The Big Boss Lion will probably cap out at mid maegashira but I don't think he'll ever achieve the heights of the other recent eastern European sekitori. He seems pretty durable, though, so I could see him lasting another 10 years.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:46:23 UTC No. 151626
>>151614
>Rough time in makushita
>Only 3 mk
????
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 13:40:47 UTC No. 151630
>>151626
I mostly meant the injury, he'd probably have made Juryo long before now if not for that.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 13:54:47 UTC No. 151634
>>151548
Damn, your dad forced you to ballroom dance with him?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 14:11:19 UTC No. 151636
>>151623
How do you guys come up with these? Is there some kind of method?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:36:45 UTC No. 151644
>>151636
Every win over 7 means moving up 1 rung (unless there isn't space, then it's a slot more or nothing) and every loss under 8 means moving down a rung (except more than 1 per loss if its really bad) again, with space permitting
That's the rule of thumb. Then some guesswork to make it all fit.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:57:33 UTC No. 151646
>>151636
For the maegashira, you start with their record. Add up wins and losses 8-7 means +1 rank. 5-10 means -5 ranks. Put everyone where they would end up. You'll end up with a lot of blank spots, and a lot of doubled-up spots, so then you have to start tie-breaking. (picrel)
i.e. someone who fought in the joi gets precedent over someone coming up. the guy with more wins takes precedent. East takes precedent over west., shit like that.
Obviously, the banzuke committee has not released their method.
There are also hard-and-fast rules, like you cannot be demoted with a winning record or promoted with a losing record, though you can stay in place with either.
The sanyaku have their own rules, like 11 wins is enough to force open an extra slot, or a falling ozeki will only drop to sekiwake regardless of record.
Juryo promotees have their own rules too but those are more nebulous.
So in the example here, there's no one who deserves to be M1e by rank and record, but Nishikigi is closest, so he gets M1e, then the next most deserving is Tobizaru, so he gets M1w, and so forth, building down from the top.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:39:06 UTC No. 151674
Anyone else thinks the promotions ceremonies suck hardcore dick?
The traditional ceremonial aspects are sad and depressing, the press statement is the same self depreciating drivel, The gas ass kneeling, struggling to make eye contact...
JSA needs to have some sense slapped into them
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 19:04:58 UTC No. 151678
>>151610
His skill set seems too weak to hang with the Juryo crowd imo, so I see him going maki-koshi and getting sent right back to makushita to try again.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 19:08:32 UTC No. 151679
>>151674
That's just the formal part and is a tradition. The real ceremony comes later, and we never see them.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 19:51:32 UTC No. 151687
I heard somewhere that the characters on the gyoji's fan read as "universal peace." Is that true? What's the significance of this phrase?
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 19:57:57 UTC No. 151688
>>151687
There are numerous gunbai, most of them passed down from gyoji to gyoji but some belonging to the heya they're attached to. They're all decorated in different ways with different designs and characters on them. There is no single standard issue JSA gunbai.
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 22:57:04 UTC No. 151708
>>151695
who's the idiot that keeps falling out of the ring? that's my favorite
Anonymous at Fri, 16 Jun 2023 23:19:15 UTC No. 151709
>>151708
Shikimori Inosuke the 41st.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH_
Yet he is not considered even the worst Shikimori Inosuke.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 00:43:35 UTC No. 151718
>>151709
He's supposed go intai after the Sep 2024 basho, so we'll get a new top gyoji. Hopefully it's Kimura Tamajiro, but who knows...
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 00:43:53 UTC No. 151719
>>151695
For me it's Kimura Konosuke
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 00:55:12 UTC No. 151720
>>151709
Did someone put a curse on their gunbai?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 03:25:33 UTC No. 151731
>>151729
>NBA players brainstorming all-star acceptance phrases
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 05:59:43 UTC No. 151738
>>151729
What? they just bow infront of the camera and repeat the same phrase without making eye contact.
at least in the UFC, they get their post fight interview where they can make shout outs and call outs
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 06:28:58 UTC No. 151744
>>151738
>repeat the same phrase
There's not a standard phrase, and they've mostly started using specially written lines in the last few decades.
https://www.nikkansports.com/battle
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 08:28:31 UTC No. 151750
>>151674
I think what you're looking for is pro-wrestling
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 17:29:47 UTC No. 151796
>>151789
Big Slaps
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 17:32:11 UTC No. 151798
>>151789
XXXL Tentacion
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 19:45:13 UTC No. 151806
>>151789
Yakuzuna
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 20:02:46 UTC No. 151809
Off topic here but I think we can all agree the punishment go ja Morant was too light. Our wrestlers would have been forced to retire if they did something stupid like that twice
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 20:15:09 UTC No. 151814
>>151789
token white and nigger
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Jun 2023 20:24:05 UTC No. 151815
>>151789
Impressive power stance from the guy next to shishi
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:12:44 UTC No. 151953
>>151952
Is that bacon?
Isley (A class, =4th) !2ySisYPHus at Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:32:19 UTC No. 151955
>>151953
Yes. Bacon, pak choi, chicken, carrot and mushrooms.
The broth is chicken stock, salt, slightly too much onions sauce because my hand slipped, (u) mirin, miso paste, grated garlic and sesame oil
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:19:16 UTC No. 151969
>>151955
That looks delish. Is there a recipe for cooking time for a cooklet like me? I can barely boil an egg.
Isley (A class, =4th) !2ySisYPHus at Sun, 18 Jun 2023 18:09:25 UTC No. 151975
>>151969
Yeah it's basically as simple as put all the broth ingredients in a pot, bring it to the boil. While it's doing that, chop the stew ingredients and place them in a pot. When the broth is boiling, pour it into the stew, wait for the meat to cook (5 minutes ish, check your meat before you serve).
Can serve on its own, or with rice on the side.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Jun 2023 22:42:25 UTC No. 152020
>>152009
I wonder if he's ever made a chanko with hamburgers.
No vegetables, besides whatever comes on a japanese big mac, just thrown in the broth, bread included.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Jun 2023 00:10:32 UTC No. 152042
>>152020
>thrown in the broth
Once a hamburger is in those hands, there's only one place it's going.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Jun 2023 14:49:54 UTC No. 152124
What can the world of mixed martial arts learn from sumo? Is it too specialised a sport to have anything to offer?
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Jun 2023 17:34:58 UTC No. 152160
>>152124
If you're fast enough, you could tachi-ai your opponent right into the cage wall at the start of the match.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Jun 2023 19:33:20 UTC No. 152178
>>152124
Its a totally different sport. Also the fact headbutts are banned doesn't help.
I think self defense noobs can learn a lot from the unchecked aggression, always pushing forward, etc.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Jun 2023 20:50:46 UTC No. 152188
>>152124
Little to nothing. The record of sumo chads going up against MMA virgins tends to be very poor for the chads.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:03:46 UTC No. 152190
>>152124
You get some pretty insane takedown defense from sumo. When you compete under a ruleset that says "you lose if anything other than the sole of your feet touches," you get a very fine sense of balance, sensitivity, and body awareness that you don't get to the same degree under most other grappling styles. In freestyle, you might be forced to concede position to your hands and knees for a fighting chance or to counter. In BJJ, you might have to pull guard. The disadvantage to sumo is that you never learn how to fight in any other position other than standing. The advantage is that it's damn hard to get you to concede position to begin with.
>>152188
There haven't been very many sumo chads in MMA. Most were makushitters or worse, "world" sumo champions.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Jun 2023 21:35:30 UTC No. 152196
>>152124
Some of the throws they use would be helpful to get a guy down on the mat, but there isn't a whole lot from sumo you could use in MMA.
Different rule set, so sumo and MMA alike require a different approach.
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:31:10 UTC No. 152247
>>152190
akebono tried MMA, it did not end well
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:09:38 UTC No. 152248
>>152247
Akebono was already crippled at that point.
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 08:19:23 UTC No. 152254
>>152252
Good on him for finding success in a new field, I hope he keeps it up.
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 08:52:06 UTC No. 152258
>>149838
>not racist
The tabloids say he's a self-described racist and the scar over his eye is from fighting pakis.
https://archive.today/lns61
>>149956
>powerlifter
Strongman. Different sport, way more athletic.
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 08:55:40 UTC No. 152259
>>152258
If you lived in *ngland you'd be racist towards pakis too
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:55:16 UTC No. 152261
>>152258
>https://archive.today/lns61
wtf I love Are Ed even more now??
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:12:15 UTC No. 152264
>>152262
>ex-policeman Hideki "Shrek" Sekine
Anybody want to guess why he stopped being a cop
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 19:23:00 UTC No. 152308
>>152303
He's certainly got some ugly bastard power.
What would his rank and shikona be?
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Jun 2023 19:40:04 UTC No. 152311
>>152303
>For the Spartans, actual war was a holiday compared to their tough training. War was the only time they were allowed to relax their discipline and to adorn themselves. They would take particular care in arranging their hair, which was long because Lycurgus said that long hair adds beauty to a good face, and terror to an ugly one.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 00:23:05 UTC No. 152326
>>152303
rooting for Shrek to lock in a leg lock and hold it
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:12:52 UTC No. 152348
>>152347
Going off steroids has a hella effect
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:19:21 UTC No. 152350
>>152348
So does taking a year off of training.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 12:43:48 UTC No. 152358
>>152348
the guy wasn't doing any training for a year...what do you expect? You are using muscle first, not fat. Look at Tochinoshin, dude already lost 30kg and has been off the training for just a couple of months.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:32:21 UTC No. 152368
>>152350
>>152358
thats why these guys are ameteur trash. our boy takakeisho was born to be this size. bread purely for sumo using the top secret lessons learn from unit 731. his genius can only be fully powered by the caloric surplus maintaining his round form. he will always be the perfect sumo sphere.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 16:19:49 UTC No. 152375
>>152368
>hurts his ankle from being 1000 pounds
Whoops there goes his yokozuna run.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 16:40:26 UTC No. 152377
>>152375
Cringe and ungenius thinking. The genius understands that the body gets stronger from adversity. You see an injured Takakeisho, I see someone conditioning their body for their final form
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 16:59:42 UTC No. 152384
>>152375
Takakeisho does not want to be yokozuna, as yokozuna is an unhonorable position. Yokozuna's only modern purpose is to hide away from competition while simultaneously dodging any negative repercussions. This violates ying and yang, the very principles takasphereo has based himself and his sumo on.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:08:31 UTC No. 152386
Would a theoretical standing submission choke be legal by ozumo rules? I know US (((sumo))) prohibits it, but I’m curious from that scene in sanctuary where the guy gets guillotine(?) choked from a standing position.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:28:28 UTC No. 152390
>>152386
Unnecessary, if you can choke a man, you have the control to throw him down or out.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:43:26 UTC No. 152394
>>152386
They would probably rule it as grabbing the throat, even if it's a blood choke with the arm.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 18:05:20 UTC No. 152400
>>152390
>implying that rikishi never go the extra distance to hurt someone they don’t like
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 18:31:04 UTC No. 152409
>>152386
>choke be legal by ozumo rules?
No. Attacks to the throat and neck for pushing purposes, aka "nodowa", are legal. Chokes of any kind are not.
Anonymous at Wed, 21 Jun 2023 22:47:04 UTC No. 152440
>>152409
I don't have the handbook, but the language of the kinjite is "gripping the throat" (咽喉をつかむこと).
There may be sub-articles that address that possibility, but I doubt it. Could be interesting some day.
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 01:05:18 UTC No. 152446
>>152440
Not him, but the point of disqualifying techniques is that they have a high risk of debilitating injury above and beyond what rikishi are already expected to risk through normal competition. It's likely that they would be more liberal in applying the rule because it's known that chokes of either kind, air or blood, have a high risk of lasting injury and death if applied for too long (which is why MMA officials step in ASAP when a guy is obviously out and have zero tolerance for a guy applying a hold after the match is called).
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 01:15:45 UTC No. 152447
>>152446
That's what I mean by interesting. If a Takanofuji type ever tries a chokehold, one of the shinpan had better make that decision on the rule real fast.
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 06:33:12 UTC No. 152483
>>152474
remember when Isegahama called Teru for a hairpull that almost cost him the yusho
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 08:13:03 UTC No. 152487
>>152484
lol hikiotoshi against musashimaru, while he knocked him out clean
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 19:29:51 UTC No. 152550
>i'm so glad you could bring your gf on our golf outing, anon-chan. you stay here and look after the clubs, i'm gonna head off with her and demonstrate my technique on a hole or three
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:39:46 UTC No. 152567
>>152550
Well, you wouldn't say no would you?
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 22:07:32 UTC No. 152571
>>152567
You do realize you don't have to go through life being a submissive beta male piece of shit faggot, right?
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 22:17:56 UTC No. 152575
>>152550
>okay now hear me out guys, I know this might sound totally farfetched but give me a chance here, what if, and just let me speak here, what if we took the clubs with us?
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Jun 2023 23:24:29 UTC No. 152584
>>152550
>implying I have gf
>implying I'm not out with Asanoyama getting some bitches at the hostess club
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:47:00 UTC No. 152610
>>152589
To me, Kirishima has the perfect face for a samurai.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 14:23:58 UTC No. 152645
Banzuke next week?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:21:04 UTC No. 152680
>>>/wsg/5151512
what the fuck was his problem
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:25:58 UTC No. 152717
>>152571
You'd fight Hakuho for a 5/10?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:36:38 UTC No. 152721
>>152717
>You'd fight Hakuho
In general, yes. You wouldn't?
>for a 5/10?
My 5/10 in this scenario, plus my dignity.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 21:08:35 UTC No. 152731
>>152680
I'm not sure what I should be seeing here. What's the issue?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 21:51:22 UTC No. 152734
>>152717
Drop kick his knees, his sumo training never prepared him for such techniques and made his knees vulnerable. I don't care about the bitch, I just want to say I beat hakuho.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 21:59:02 UTC No. 152736
>>152734
>I just want to say I beat hakuho.
Come to think of it. Have things like this ever happened to retired rikishi in japan? Random "honour attacks" from fans?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 23:24:19 UTC No. 152749
>>152736
I don't see why they would, everyone knows that they retire when they're no longer competitive, otherwise they'd still be fighting.
If someone were to try to big dick brawl with a wrestler, it'd be when they were still active, which did happen not unfrequently in the feudal era.
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 23:54:46 UTC No. 152753
>>152749
>which did happen not unfrequently in the feudal era.
Any noteworthy accounts you can post?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 23:59:04 UTC No. 152755
>>152717
I'd fight any man trying to make me look like a bitch or trying to steal my woman. You'd understand that if you weren't a castrated faggot.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 00:18:57 UTC No. 152759
>>152753
The battle of the Shiba Shinmei shrine is the most noteworthy, basically a street war between wrestlers and a fire brigade that's been the subject of numerous heavily dramatized plays and early Japanese films.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 00:29:01 UTC No. 152760
>>152759
Damn, that's cool. Thanks anon.
Who's usually decipted as the winner?
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 01:20:46 UTC No. 152764
>>152755
>he needs to convince people he’s tough on a Georgian dough-twirling forum
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 01:25:22 UTC No. 152765
>>152764
>he can't even pretend to be tough on a Malaysian toe fungus forum
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 01:28:49 UTC No. 152766
>>152760
In the most popular rendition, after a massive fight scene, the local boss steps in and tells both sides to stop being retarded and settle things peacefully, which is basically the only way it could end since the play depicts both sides as being ready to die to satisfy their honour.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:15:45 UTC No. 152818
>>152767
>retired tochi goes back to motherland and opens a high calorie, all handmade pizzaria
I can see it happen and I'm not sure I like it
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:15:34 UTC No. 152835
>>152818
Tegata pizzas, where he just gives the dough a big slap before baking it.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:31:34 UTC No. 152952
>>152830
>no Adjarian Kachipuri on the table
ngmi
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Jun 2023 13:15:35 UTC No. 153047
>>152952
There's a second table, off-camera, that is solely devoted to khachapuri
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 25 Jun 2023 20:39:10 UTC No. 153093
Absolute madlad shaved it all off
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Jun 2023 21:38:48 UTC No. 153109
>>153103
I was pretty close, though I wildly underestimated how far they'd let WTK slide.
In hindsight, it makes sense, since they know he'll be in sandanme by the time he gets back so his rank is irrelevant.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Jun 2023 22:53:56 UTC No. 153122
enho
its over
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Jun 2023 23:14:14 UTC No. 153125
>>153122
>on my way to maku-
>oh, I'm here
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 00:37:13 UTC No. 153144
>>153094
I've never seen such an oddly shaped head on a bald man, and I'm English so I've seen a lot of them.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 01:55:00 UTC No. 153158
>>153144
But how many headbutts has the average Englishman taken?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 02:56:44 UTC No. 153182
>Hokuseiho goes 8-7
>moves up five ranks
mid-maegashitters really dropped the ball this May
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 04:26:49 UTC No. 153200
>>153182
>finally get to see the giant goober face off against the the joi boys
Blessing in disguise, brother
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 07:24:51 UTC No. 153222
Manlets go in, manlets go out
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:49:29 UTC No. 153233
>>153158
Well, we aren't born looking like the Norfman, most of us aren't anyway. Given the relative career lengths of a sumo wrestler and a football hooligan, I'd guess that the headbutt count is closer than you'd think.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 12:19:57 UTC No. 153251
>>153144
He does have some of that big buster bloodvesell energy, doesn't he?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:07:35 UTC No. 153273
Where do we go from here, Enhobros?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:16:49 UTC No. 153275
>>153273
Sandanme
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:20:11 UTC No. 153276
>>153273
Makuuchi by 2024
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:31:47 UTC No. 153280
>>153273
>Where do we go from here, Enhobros?
He can take the Ishiura route. How much longer does he have to last before he's eligible to buy a share?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:40:37 UTC No. 153282
>>153280
One more as sekitori, he's on 29, for just being generally able. He can inherit already, having managed 20 Juryo.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:49:47 UTC No. 153285
>>153283
>>153282
Well, maybe the holders of the Izutsu or Otawayama shares are looking to cash out.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:51:25 UTC No. 153286
>>153285
>Izutsu
That's believed to belong to Shimanoumi.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:57:15 UTC No. 153288
>>153285
Looking at the list of elders, there's going to be some real turnover coming years.
Michinoku is out next year, presumably Kakuryu will inherit it.
Isegahama is out in two years, no idea who's taking that one, maybe Aminishiki, to re-merge Isegahama and Ajigawa? Homarefuji is already a coach with Isegahama under the Tateyama name?
Otake is out in 2025 and I expect that stable to just fold up shop because they've got no one there. They don't recruit and only have Oho.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:03:29 UTC No. 153289
>>153286
Oh yeah. Thanks for the reminder. He married Sakahoko's daughter (and also Terao's niece). Picrel.
I don't know if he'll try to resurrect Izutsu stable. It's a neat, historically-significant name to hold, in either case.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:53:31 UTC No. 153303
>>153300
Based, Hakuho remains top of the shitposter Banzuke
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:35:21 UTC No. 153323
>>153300
>Hakuho's master plan finally revealed
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:48:40 UTC No. 153339
>>153103
Idk who’s bitch kotonowaka sr or kotozakura fucked but these niggas do not want to promote kotonowaka watching these niggas promote jobbers like wakamotoharu and daieisho to S when kotonowaka was the second most winning rikishi after wakatakakage is crazy. Kotonowaka is gonna have to go out and tear fucking ass like prime terunofuji just to make any noise.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:50:15 UTC No. 153341
>>153339
You were btfo the last time you whined, stop trying
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:55:32 UTC No. 153342
>>153341
Kotonowaka is better than all these jobbers they faggots are promoting and it’s affecting his sumo. You’re actually fucking stupid if you don’t see the favoritism here but it’s okay kotonowaka will outlast them all like wakatakakage.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 20:00:14 UTC No. 153343
>>153339
He went 8-7 from komosubi. There was no sekiwake slot free. Historically, you need 10-11 wins to force open a third sekiwake slot.
He's exactly where he should be. Calm your tits, all four of them.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 20:05:29 UTC No. 153345
>>153343
Nah this is number one bullshit they just want to sell tickets with the MUH THREE BROTHERS FROM FUKUSHIMA
Kotonowaka got fucked by being forced to stay at m2 and now it’s happening at komusubi
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:12:47 UTC No. 153374
>>153345
it's not the waka brother's fault they were born better looking than fish tits
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Jun 2023 01:12:05 UTC No. 153395
>>153339
>nigger hasn't put up double digit wins since M6 over a year ago
>getting overlooked for sekiwake
Nope. He is constantly outperformed by his peers, who rightfully earn the slots he hasn't.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Jun 2023 04:34:01 UTC No. 153415
>>153395
Hsr got promoted to k from m6 and wtk got promoted to S from m1 but when kotonowaka does the same thing from m6 he gets a tiny promotion. It’s fucked with his sumo and made him stagnant.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:40:05 UTC No. 153427
>>153415
The promotions you cite occured exactly because promotees outperformed their peers, and the slots above them became vacant due to poor performances. Kotonowaka hasn't put in a strong enough performance, compared to his peers, under the same type of conditions where slots above him became open.
Hoshoryu has been in san yaku for 8 basho, has never gone MK, and has double digit basho in 3 of the 8. WTK had 6 basho at sekiwake, never went MK, and had 2 double digit basho, a yuhso, and a jun-yusho, before getting injured in his 7th basho at sekiwake. Meanwhile Kotonowaka has only managed single digit wins from komusubi, which don't warrant the creation of an additional sekiwake slot in the eyes of the NSK when there are already 2 sekiwake that are stronger, and that's why he just got a bump from Kw to Ke as opposed to a promotion to sekiwake.
You just don't understand how the promotion system works. Kotonowaka is still young, so he's got a good chance of maybe finding something that pushes him over that line to start winning against the top rikishi on a consistent basis and finally earning bigger promotions.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:42:16 UTC No. 153443
Reminder that Komusubi is ranked higher than 99.9% of all other rikishi and that Kotonowaka fans should be happy that he's even this high in the first place.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:44:46 UTC No. 153445
>>153427
Nuh uh hoshoryu has had 2 double digit bashos the last one don’t count
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 00:13:47 UTC No. 153523
Kotonowaka had a 8-7 from komusubi and that's enough to make him yokozuna right now. If it does not happen then the JSA are a bunch of corrupt shitters and also racist. Kotonowaka should sue them for denying him his rightful place which he deserves.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 00:38:47 UTC No. 153524
>>153523
too many mongols in the JSA denying the Yamato bloodline its rightful heritage
simple as
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 03:07:31 UTC No. 153548
Seems like the meatball hakuho jr. knows how to train
https://www.instagram.com/p/CiZ03DF
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:08:51 UTC No. 153574
>>153523
>JSA are racist
based
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:29:08 UTC No. 153616
I kinda miss Chris's schizoposting.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:35:10 UTC No. 153680
Everyone you accuse of being a jobber will make ozeki before Kotonowaka and he will continue to lose the exact same way to them every basho in addition to losing to random shitters like Endo and Nishikigi. He's such a jobber half of the time he will have to wait until the last day to secure kachi koshi but I bet you'll still manage to say that this is everyone but Kotonowaka's fault and pull out some record from a year ago like it fucking matters because you can't cope with the fact that he's stagnated and everyone else have left him behind.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:07:25 UTC No. 153819
[spoiler]why don't we get any sumo games like we get pro wrestling games?[/spoiler]
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 19:04:12 UTC No. 153859
>>153819
Sumo is such a ultra-fast-paced sport with so many nuances and moves that it's impossible to map every single move to controls. Most matches last less than ten seconds so it would just be a game of who could mash the buttons faster.
Now, a good idea would be to make a (mobile) game like a Heya Oyakata Simulator. Think Fallout Shelter or Game Dev Tycoon but you play as an oyakata managing a stable. That sounds like fun.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:05:25 UTC No. 153872
>>153819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:08:35 UTC No. 153873
>>153705
one made ozeki and has a yusho
one didn't
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:11:59 UTC No. 153874
>>153859
> with so many nuances and moves that it's impossible to map every single move to controls.
Absolutely retarded thing to say. UFC games exist.
the real reason is matches last to short to make a game very interesting
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:31:51 UTC No. 153877
>>153872
I know you're just being a smartass but it's awfully short for a list of video games based on the national sport of a country that's one of the largest producers of video games.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:07:56 UTC No. 153880
>>153819
One night a few years ago after watching a basho, my mate downloaded this so-bad-it's good sumo game to his switch, which was basically just a top down king of the hill style human pinball game. It's only really enjoyable if you're drunk.
Then we kissed and made hot buttsex to the bing bing wahoos by the light of a still frame of Mitakeumi.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 22:45:43 UTC No. 153902
>>153874
>UFC games exist
And are more fun to laugh at than to play.
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Jun 2023 23:33:35 UTC No. 153909
>>153877
I linked it not to prove that a handful exist, but to show you and anyone else in the thread how terrible most or all of them are. After seeing how badly some of them did even the most diehard Nippon nationalist game developers won't touch the subject. I think in order for a good sumo game to be made, there would first need to be an absolutely wild resurgence in sumo's popularity in Japan as well as considerable overseas interest in the sport.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:32:06 UTC No. 153918
I like kiribayama more
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 07:29:22 UTC No. 153976
>>153339
someone should tell these japs that a a business suit is not made for sitting cross legged
if you want to sit on the ground, just keep wearing jap wear
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 07:30:37 UTC No. 153977
>>153344
cursed kotonoabi
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:27:34 UTC No. 153993
>>153883
>unironically drinking shitloads of coke
no wonder these retards get diabetes at such a young age. I guess one must bloatmaxx at any cost.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:38:36 UTC No. 154034
>>153883
Cola, huh? That's pretty impressive.
Anonymous at Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:29:39 UTC No. 154067
>>153993
>shitload
Apart from the big bottle, most of those guys are drinking portions that are perfectly OK for a meal. Unless they're drinking that much every single time they have chanko, it's not a problem.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Jul 2023 21:49:23 UTC No. 154284
Went to an amateur sumo gym in my area for the first time. It was a lot of fun. I would recommend it to anyone interested.
That being said, I felt like the mawashi were wider than I'd expected. Wide enough to be kind of hard to grip for a normal sized guy(6'1, 88kg). It takes some getting used to.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:33:09 UTC No. 154298
I heard that sumo wrestlers don't wash their mawashi, is that true?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 00:37:36 UTC No. 154300
>>154298
>Japanese
>not washing something
Choose ONE.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 01:00:56 UTC No. 154305
>>154298
yeah
drying it out in the sun gets rid of most of the smell
but when it gets too bad they toss it out and buy a new one
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 03:02:17 UTC No. 154318
>>154298
They can't soak them, but they can still wipe them down.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 04:21:20 UTC No. 154323
>>153819
>>153909
there's a recent one titled "Morodashi Sumo", which is more of a shitpost than an actual game though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5E
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 04:47:03 UTC No. 154327
>>154323
Reminds me of Gang Beasts.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 07:18:56 UTC No. 154338
your boy is charging up that energy to fuel all the seethe
>>154284
interesting. where at?
you mean like grabbing the whole thing or just getting your fingers under? most grab one layer. you'll notice that a common defense is to wear that portion loose when fighting someone who is a belt wrestler. it'll pop up to like nipple height
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 08:03:09 UTC No. 154340
>>154338
Near LA. Not going more specific than that since I don't want to doxx myself.
Yeah, grabbing the whole thing. Getting just one layer or gripping part of it with the hand under was a whole lot easier for my hands.
What you mention happened during one of my bouts, the guy yanked my mawashi real high up to a little below my nipples at the edge of the ring, and then I stepped out before he was out like an idiot
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 08:31:06 UTC No. 154345
>>154340
>Near LA. Not going more specific than that since I don't want to doxx myself.
LMAO, nobody is going to figure you out as some rando who went once.
There's only OC Sumo and Yamamoto Sumo Doju from the looks anyway.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 18:51:00 UTC No. 154392
>>154388
Take a guess
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 18:56:03 UTC No. 154394
>>154340
Control your hips anon that’s one of the reasons hakuho was so good one his hips were so strong he could shake any grip
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 20:21:17 UTC No. 154406
>>154404
Unironically do 1000 shiko a day, same with pole exercises. If it works for the pros in real life, why mess with it?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 20:52:56 UTC No. 154409
>>154406
have you ever done 1000 shiko in a day
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 03:05:55 UTC No. 154459
>>154404
Learning how to control your hips and center of balance is more important than how strong they are
that said, kettlebell swings, hang cleans, plyos, speed ladder drills, and the like can help develop strength and how to move
also do heavy squats and eat more food. you should be atleast 100kg doing sumo
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 05:31:31 UTC No. 154485
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 05:53:21 UTC No. 154487
>>154318
If you can't wash in water, you could still soak in something like methylated spirits and it'll be dry in like 5 minutes