š§µ Banzuki is out Ozeki intensifies edition
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Jul 2023 22:55:58 UTC No. 154424
https://sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuk
Newly promoted Shin Ozeki Kirishima (formerly Kiribayama) makes his debut.
Takakeisho limped to 8-7 last tournament to avoid kadoban
3 legit sekiwake looking for their chance to move up if they donāt end up beating each other into 8-7 records.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 05:30:57 UTC No. 154484
Schedule: https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/yea
Banzuke: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.
Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/U9NgddQ3
previous thread: >>149591
>>154424
>didn't put /sumo/ in the subject line
dishonorable. do 10000 shiko as penance.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 08:29:44 UTC No. 154516
>>154484
>>154424
new pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/wnrd474X
a few fixes for the live streams could be needed after the basho starts
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 09:40:52 UTC No. 154525
What happens when a sumo wrestler goes bald? This question has been weighing on my mind for weeks.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 10:44:00 UTC No. 154534
>>154525
Increasingly heroic work by the tokoyama to create some semblance of a topknot.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:28:21 UTC No. 154540
>>154525
Nothing, they just don't wear a topknot.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 12:39:14 UTC No. 154549
Guys the basho starts on my birthday. I'm admittedly an unmedicated schizo. Is this a sign I should do ama sumo?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 12:41:23 UTC No. 154552
>>154549
Your phone doesn't love you now as much as it used to
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 15:29:06 UTC No. 154569
>>154525
>What happens when a sumo wrestler goes bald? This question has been weighing on my mind for weeks.
There was a wrestler named Taikomaru who had alopecia totalis. Zero hair, was never going to grow any. He was allowed to wrestle, no problem. He made it up to sandanme, IIRC.
His haircutting ceremony was odd. He just sat there and people came up and shook his hand.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 15:33:59 UTC No. 154570
>>154549
do it and post a video of your bouts
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 17:47:49 UTC No. 154584
>>154549
>Does the scalevread F U L L when you stand on it?
>Does in shape only apply to how close you are to a perfect sphere?
>Have you never done anything athletic in your life?
If yes, go do ameteur sumo.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:12:15 UTC No. 154597
>>154584
https://youtube.com/shorts/VrvpwJ9V
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:40:23 UTC No. 154600
>>154597
>/vt/umor
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 06:05:48 UTC No. 154655
>>154484
fuck youuu, he is coming back to the top division...
PLEASE
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 18:52:59 UTC No. 154746
>>154604
going full throttle into a sport as a fatass having done nothing athletic in your life is a great way to snap your shit up. Most obese people aren't aware of this, but their joints are literally in a slow process of falling apart from the strain of maintaining their massive bulk. They think nothing's wrong, but they step into a ring and halfway into their second practice their knee explodes and they spend the next six months recovering. I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just in case you aren't.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 20:56:33 UTC No. 154759
>>154749
186cm, 87kg
>thinking about doing judo and running these scrubs at the usa open
so you don't actually know judo, but you want to do judo, for the purpose of winning in sumo?
>>154754
>173kg
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 20:59:34 UTC No. 154760
>>154759
forgot age, 24
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 21:05:40 UTC No. 154761
>>154754
Lend me your chest sempai so I can get stronger
>>154759
Iāve done no gi but judo seems like a good base to have works for hoshoryu heās thrown my boy kotonowaka like 15 fucking times
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 21:14:55 UTC No. 154764
>>154761
hoshoryu wins primarily by picrel if your goal is to win in sumo you're probably better off training in sumo. You will find that there's little room for the setup of a nogi judo throw when you step in the ring
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 22:13:46 UTC No. 154769
>>154749
190cm, 117kg, 30y
I wonder how well we'd actually do against real rikishi, I like to think I'd at least make it to Sandanme. Maybe Hiroshimoot can make it happen one day.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 23:03:24 UTC No. 154774
>>154549
;_; i dont know what this means. I'll compete in the next tournament. I got 3rd in the consulate cup.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 23:30:00 UTC No. 154780
>>154761
>>154749
The closest grappling analogues to sumo are Mongolian Bokh and Chinese Shuai Jiao. Both have the same "you lose if anything your soles touch" rule as sumo does and involve many of the same/similar throws. Shuai Jiao has ring outs but has weight classes while Bokh has no ring outs but is open-weight. They're not common though as there's only a smattering of Shuai Jiao schools in the west and Bokh doesn't exist outside of Mongolia/Inner Mongolia. Sambo is also pretty transferable to Sumo due to its mix of upper body and lower body takedowns, though it's only marginally more common in the west than those 2.
The most commonly available choices would be wrestling (particularly Greco-Roman) or judo.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Jul 2023 23:35:12 UTC No. 154782
>>154764
Anyone who trains exclusively in sumo is too one-dimensional to do very well. Judo is a huge advantage because gi manipulation lends itself to mawashi manipulation plus training in stability while doing standing grappling. Tons of belt fighters still win primarily through various push out and crush out techniques by simply manipulating the belt and going forward.
I don't know how much of it is bullshit but Chiyonofuji was considered one of the strongest judoka at his peak as a rikishi, and even if it is exaggerated it is still a fact that he kept up his judo training as a way to improve his overall sumo, not just with throws.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 00:56:00 UTC No. 154796
>>154782
>anyone who trains exclusively in sumo is too one-dimensional to do very well
what do you mean by this? very well in what? Sumo? I find it doubtful that people who train sumo would be inferior in sumo to people who assume an equal investment in a different mode of training. What does it mean to train exclusively in sumo? There's a lot of different ways to become better at the sport out there.
I largely agree with everything else you said, but I don't think it tracks with your initial statement.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:35:33 UTC No. 154855
>>154761
>works for hoshoryu
Hoshoryu has a background in Mongolian rasslin', not Judo. Mongolian rasslin' is similar to sumo, but they put more emphasis on techniques like throws and leg sweeps, rather than just straight blasting the opponent out of the ring.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:11:25 UTC No. 154861
>>154855
Both Hoshoryu and Kirishima have backgrounds in judo AND Mongolian Bokh wrestling. The commentators have mentioned that the two of them used to train judo together back in Mongolia when they were young.
Cross-training is very common in Mongolia. You often see the same guys who compete in Bokh also competing in Judo, Sambo, Shuai Jiao/Chiao, and Western wrestling. Hakuho's dad was not only a legend of Bokh but an Olympic freestyle wrestling silver medalist.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 17:35:56 UTC No. 154903
Taken the last few tourneys off, what are the stories for this 1? Kirby is ozeki now? How has hakuhos giant been progressing? Have terus knees finally exploded? Sleepy giant is retired? is waka still the premium of the senpai or has his brother finally gone over? Is golden child actually golden now? THE FUCK IS GOING ON?????????
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 17:42:52 UTC No. 154904
>>154903
Nobody tell him about last basho, he won't be able to handle it.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 17:44:41 UTC No. 154905
>>154903
Kiribayama is Kirishima now, Hokuseihou seemed to be exposed in the last 3 days of the latest basho and needs to prove he has more to offer, Teru is in pain but fine, Ichinojou had issues, Wakatakakage tore his ACL/MCL/meniscus and is out for a year, Houshouryuu has gained a huge amount of weight and is properly gunning for oozeki.
Hokuseihou, though, is not the Hakuhou prospect that everyone is interested in at the moment - that honor goes to Hakuouhou (prev. Ochiai) who is looking like the real deal.
Daieishou is also pushing for oozeki, Nishikifuji is injured, Ouhou is a question mark, Takakeishou looks crippled, Kotonowaka is still plateaued, Shounannoumi will be interesting to watch.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 17:57:44 UTC No. 154907
>>154905
yo kiribayama transitioned? wtf
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 18:28:56 UTC No. 154911
>>154907
Kiribayama was recently promoted to Ozeki. Michinoku-oyakata (former ozeki Kirishima) gave him his old ring name.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Jul 2023 23:57:13 UTC No. 154948
>>154903
>How has hakuhos giant been progressing?
He's developing some belt and footwork chops, but seems to have cranked something in his lower leg halfway through last tournament.
>Hakuouho
Still struggling with Goueido's protege, which is kind of appropriate. If you watch nothing else from last tournament, watch Juryo.
>Snorlax
>Tochinoshin
Both went "ah fuck it, I'm never recovering and this is no way to live". Ichinojo is keeping his head down on plans. Tochi is shifting from his old plan of running a sumo training school in Georgia to promoting Georgian produce in Japan and working as a contractor and spokesman for several companies his friends/supporters' club own. At least until shit cools down in the Caucasus, anyway.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jul 2023 06:07:04 UTC No. 154989
>>154883
Thumbnail looks like the guy is being tortured
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jul 2023 06:59:46 UTC No. 154991
Hope terunofuji doesnāt retire after 10 chips I want his knees to literally explode he can get 12 to get past akebono
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jul 2023 10:26:36 UTC No. 154997
>>154991
same, he also said he wants 10 yushos himself, but 13 is a stretch.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Jul 2023 15:00:01 UTC No. 155023
>>155004
no. see Kotoshogiku. you have a better chance of him dying in the ring then quitting before he milked as much money from sumo as he possibly could.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 01:25:50 UTC No. 155103
Who's my favourite rikishi?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 01:37:31 UTC No. 155105
>>155103
DÅseiaishayama
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 03:35:48 UTC No. 155114
>>155008
Rip I hope he can go back on a run it was sad seeing him take so long to make ozeki just to get injured and lose it.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 07:29:30 UTC No. 155136
The absolute state of japanese ozeki
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 09:17:30 UTC No. 155149
>>155132
He sooner or later has to decide if he does a Terunofuji or if he prefers to slowly go down on a pair of broken knees. It was so close to yokozuna - the rank's privileges would have spared him a lot of problems.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 10:18:42 UTC No. 155154
Takakeishou kyuujou - asked if he might return partway through the basho, Tokiwayama oyakata replied "no" indicating a full absence.
>Takakeishou revealed today he had previously been evaluated to have injured both menisci requiring around 3 weeks of rest. He is not in the torikumi for shonichi or day 2.
>Tokiwayama informed us by phone, "He hadn't done even a single bout of sumo in training. His rest time was over yesterday, and I asked him last night, 'You won't be able to do sumo this basho, will you?', and he told me, 'I don't think so, no'." Thus, he decided to have Takakeishou go kyuujou.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 11:32:49 UTC No. 155163
>>155149
He needs to do it sooner. He's not that old, only 26. He could be back at the top in two years.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 11:33:30 UTC No. 155164
Takakeisho was smart, I think.
What is the point of injuring himself further?
Just heal well enough and do another yokozuna run, rather than fighting for another 8-7
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 12:40:33 UTC No. 155167
>>155164
>Takakeisho was smart, I think. What is the point of injuring himself further?
then what the fuck was the point of turning up last basho
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:16:22 UTC No. 155172
>>155167
Escaping kadoban so he could take a tournament off?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:34:32 UTC No. 155175
>>155172
But what added toll did fifteen days of fighting do to his already injured knees? Maybe he never heals because he wanted an 8-7 in May.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Jul 2023 15:04:18 UTC No. 155181
>>155175
I donāt think his knees are ever healing either way
The best he can hope for is 2021 terunofuji knees which were okay but still left him in constant pain
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 01:25:48 UTC No. 155243
>>155163
a menisci strain isn't that bad
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 02:31:47 UTC No. 155251
>>155154
I'm sad.
It is so over, Keishobros.
I just wanted to see him getting the horizotal rope...
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 02:35:12 UTC No. 155252
>>155163
>He's not that old, only 26.
People forget that so often. Because he was near the top of the banzuke for such a long time.
At some point was both the youngest makuuchi rikishi AND an Ozeki.
But yeah, Keisho's 26 years, with his body is like 35 years for regular rikishi.
It'd be a miracle if he hold 'till 30.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 04:37:28 UTC No. 155259
>>155243
how do you know it's a strain
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 05:16:16 UTC No. 155264
>>155259
He wouldn't have been able to fight last tournament with a tear
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 06:03:31 UTC No. 155269
>Enho ms1
>Onosato ms3
Torikumi commitee please make it happen
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 06:43:13 UTC No. 155272
>>155269
Enho is kyujo.
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMa
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 08:45:36 UTC No. 155279
>>155272
Damn, so "on my way to sandanme" wasn't a meem.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 08:49:17 UTC No. 155280
>>155264
>He wouldn't have been able to fight last tournament with a tear
This is sumo
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 10:12:07 UTC No. 155284
>>155154
>evaluated to have injured both menisci
Dayum.....
Too much fucking weight. Tendons and ligaments are only designed for so much weight, and it's easy to outmuscle / outweigh their ability to do what the fuck they're designed to do.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 12:25:20 UTC No. 155287
>>155272
Some anon posted a good idea for long injury layoffs in one of the /sp/ threads last basho. The idea being that they should not be discouraged from getting treatment just because they're afraid to lose their salaries.
The gist was once you start going kyujo, you fall down the banzuke as normal until you hit a specified floor ranking. Then you're removed from the banzuke altogether. When you come back, you get a tsukedashi rank like the college champions, specified by the rank you held once you started falling.
An ozeki comes back at Ms5
A junior sanyaku comes back at Ms15
A maegashira comes back at Ms25
A juryo comes back at Ms60
This way, the ozeki can be back in juryo within a basho, the junior can be back within 1 (if they go 7-0) or 2 basho. Everyone else could theoretically be back within 2 basho but they have a little harder of a climb.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 13:43:12 UTC No. 155291
>>155287
I'm more in favour of one-time massive promotions if you've ever held a sufficiently high rank. Any kachi-koshi after returning from injury could put you at the bottom of the highest division you've ever been in, or at the top of the one below. If you return from injury and get a make-koshi in a lower division, you have to make the climb normally. This would get competent men back where they ought to be quickly, and discourage attempts to return before you're fighting fit.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 13:46:14 UTC No. 155292
>>155291
Yeah but it would kind of suck if Juryo 1 or 2 was some guy climbing for the first time and he got blocked from a promotion because some guy at the bottom of Juryo was Makuuchi once.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 13:51:05 UTC No. 155293
>>155280
>t never has done an athletic thing in his life
he would have had trouble walking and getting up the stairs with a tear. its not someone you can walk off
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 13:54:20 UTC No. 155294
>>155292
That would happen with any sort of system that fast-tracks men up the banzuke, unless the promotions committee was very creative. I think having some kind of system that made rikishi more amenable to taking extended breaks to heal injuries would have immense benefits to the sport as a whole, but whatever system you choose will inevitably mean that some sort of sacrifice has to be made.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 14:06:37 UTC No. 155295
>>155292
The guy coming back from injury has already proven to be makuuchi level and was demoted through reasons other than his in-ring performance. The guy coming up from juryo has not.
Personally I think any solution is better than "being injured is treated as a 0-15" which is bullshit, even treating injuries as a 7-8 would be better as the wrestlers would still be slowly demoted and there would still be room for guys to be promoted, without being as idiotic as 0-15.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:42:49 UTC No. 155306
>>155293
not that guy but wasn't he having trouble getting up and down the dohyo last basho
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:52:33 UTC No. 155318
>>155315
>>155293
>He wouldn't have been able to fight last tournament with a tear
>This is sumo
>it's not something you can walk off
>Endo did it
>duhhhhhhh well takakeisho only went 8-7 so it's like he never wrestled
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:57:47 UTC No. 155320
>>155307
>article clearly says March 2015
>draws a line to January 2016
I get what you're trying to say but you're still retarded for a different reason.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:59:46 UTC No. 155321
>>155320
i am retarded but at least im correct
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:19:11 UTC No. 155322
>>155318
enho didn't do it. he had to pull out. simple as
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:25:37 UTC No. 155323
>>155322
Endo
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:32:13 UTC No. 155325
Continuing as it is, without any allowances for rest isn't very good, IMO.
The top 2 guys have shot knees and you don't often see both together uninjured in the same basho.
There was what, one tournament the last 2 years where they were both healthy enough to compete for the title at the same time?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 23:21:31 UTC No. 155368
>>155364
If you mean the ring purification ceremony, that already happened earlier today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Jul 2023 23:42:23 UTC No. 155378
>>155364
gamethread up for migration
>>>/sp/133251822
>>>/sp/133251822
>>>/sp/133251822
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jul 2023 03:14:20 UTC No. 155404
Can Asanoyama start his ozeki run from #4 or do you need to be Komusubi or higher to start counting to 33?
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jul 2023 04:12:20 UTC No. 155405
>>155284
man, takakeisho's dad needs to have his nutsack stomped flat for being such a POS
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jul 2023 06:44:42 UTC No. 155415
>>155404
Like always in sumo: it depends. You can start an ozeki run outside of sanyaku, but you cannot start it from as low a rank as you want. You should at least be in the joi and fight all high ranked contenders.
For example, Tochinoshin started his ozeki run from M3w and secured the rank with 37(!) wins during the next 3 basho. Terunofuji started his first ozeki run from M2e and secured the rank with 33 wins. Both had a yusho and a jun-yusho on their way.
Kotooshu on the other hand didn't become ozeki after 35 wins from M5e and two JY. He needed another JY with 11 wins from sekiwake to be promoted.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jul 2023 10:53:48 UTC No. 155421
>>155404
>Can Asanoyama start his ozeki run from #4
If he gets a yusho and defeats Teronofuji at M4, gets promoted to Sanyaku, and lands those double digit victories, than it is possible. Tochinoshin started his Ozeki run from M3 with a yusho, got promoted to Sekiwake as a result, went double digit basho with a jun yusho as Sekiwake, and got promoted to Ozeki after as a result.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jul 2023 10:57:26 UTC No. 155422
To this anon>>155415
Shit...my bad. Didn't see that before I posted this >>155421, but I agree.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jul 2023 12:03:40 UTC No. 155426
>>155003
>manages to avoid kadoban by the slightest of margins
>could have taken this opportunity to recover and skip on this tournament so he can be in a much better shape come september
>hell, could even have skipped on both tournaments and went for a 10 win run that he's absolutely capable of to get Ozeki again
>instead pushes forward despite not even being in condition to do basic fucking training
If he MK and gets kadoban it's completely his fault
I don't expect toad man to be an Ozeki anymore by the end of the year
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Jul 2023 15:26:04 UTC No. 155461
>>155420
I think Hoshoryu looked better in red
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:59:56 UTC No. 155730
>>155526
Kotonowaka too high.how is he S over takakeisho he never won a yusho and has floundered at komosubi? b tier at best
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jul 2023 08:11:42 UTC No. 156157
>>154749
173cm (king o' the manlets)
142kg
28
my torso is big while my legs are stunted, couldn't say whether my lower comfortable center of gravity at the absolute bottom of sumo height is an advantage or disadvantage
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jul 2023 10:55:55 UTC No. 156175
>>156157
How the fuck are you so fat?
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Jul 2023 19:55:49 UTC No. 156272
>>156175
lack of activity while living with a feeder, I'm down 11kg from february
maybe another kilo this week but I haven't shit in 4 days
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jul 2023 03:43:47 UTC No. 156617
>>156578
>shorts
get a load of this gaijin
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Jul 2023 15:09:18 UTC No. 156765
>>156578
Fucking disgusting shit even if Ishiura is in it
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Jul 2023 14:24:01 UTC No. 156962
>>154749
178cm
130kg
25
I like to think that I would fare well in amateur sumo if I hadn't hurt my knee, and had a place to train
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Jul 2023 07:53:10 UTC No. 157250
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jul 2023 07:51:28 UTC No. 157420
Oho stop pulling please for the love of god
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:05:05 UTC No. 157432
>>157412
>117 cm
it must be an interesting sight to see someone with stumps for legs do cardio
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 05:52:53 UTC No. 157708
>>157704
https://sumodb.sumogames.de/
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 11:41:28 UTC No. 157732
>>157727
Nigga lookin like Ultraseven
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:04:09 UTC No. 157733
>>157727
For a kid who tries so hard to be the bad guy, it was kind of cute to see him sobbing after his win.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:05:58 UTC No. 157734
Special Prizes
>Outstanding Performance
Nishikigi
>Technique
Hakuoho
>Fighting Spirit (this has got to be some kind of record
Hoshoryu
Kotonowaka
Hokutofuji
Gonoyama
Shonannoumi
Hakuoho
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:06:34 UTC No. 157735
>>157733
he squints cause he's blind without glasses
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:07:36 UTC No. 157736
>>157734
it is, 5 prizes was max until now
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:16:46 UTC No. 157737
>>157735
Don't be racist. All Asians squint, but some have perfectly good eyesight.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:17:38 UTC No. 157738
>>157727
>If I just stare really hard the DMV won't make me get glasses, I know it
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:18:38 UTC No. 157739
>>157713
Tobizaru almost looks sad that he's not the one sprinting into the aisle, he wishes he could join him
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:28:10 UTC No. 157741
>>154749
182cm
73kg
31 years
I wish I could do sumo but I'll stick to endurance sports.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:53:39 UTC No. 157742
>>154749
191cm
140 kg
29
Yes I work out, strongfat. No, I don't have remotely the flexibility to sumo. Shiko is as far as I get.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:18:41 UTC No. 157747
So now that Sobrino punched his ticket into Ozeki, how's September looking, will Kirishima recover in time? Will Takakeisho come back? Is tetas cuatro gonna hit Sekiwake? Will Gonoyama and Hakuoho get into top 5 Maegashira after their displays?
And does getting a prize affect your ranking in the next basho?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:32:32 UTC No. 157749
>>157747
>So now that Sobrino punched his ticket into Ozeki, how's September looking, will Kirishima recover in time?
He should. He was injured but still well enough to fight competitively.
>Will Takakeisho come back?
God only knows. I can't even keep track of all his injuries
>Is tetas cuatro gonna hit Sekiwake?
11 is traditionally what is needed to force open a new slot but he typically has awful banzuke luck.
>Will Gonoyama and Hakuoho get into top 5 Maegashira after their displays?
It will be pretty close but they will be in that ballpark
>And does getting a prize affect your ranking in the next basho?
No.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:43:56 UTC No. 157751
>>157737
obviously his eyebrows tend to be more aggressive-looking, but he's still trying to focus is eyesight on the opponent.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:49:22 UTC No. 157755
>>157747
Kotonowaka S2e, Hokutofuji M1, Gonoyama M4, Hakuoho M7.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:23:34 UTC No. 157765
>>157762
man, I can't help but be impressed by Tamawashi
38 years of age and he's still kicking in upper maegashira
and I might be mistaken, but he never missed a tournament either, has he?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:28:59 UTC No. 157766
Could you resist giving your fingers a tiny lick after the salt throw?
>>157765
That's true. What's more, not counting when he forced to miss couple of the last days of the tournament last year, Tamawashi has never missed a single bout in his career. If he can manage to wrestle to the end of 2024, he'll break the all time record of consecutive bouts
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:30:01 UTC No. 157767
>>157765
>and I might be mistaken, but he never missed a tournament either, has he?
Never even missed a match*
*he missed his final three matches during the covid clown basho in Nagoya last year because someone in his stable tested positive, but the JSA decided that because Tamawashi himself had not tested positive, his consecutive match streak would stay alive.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:30:28 UTC No. 157768
>>157749
>11 is traditionally what is needed to force open a new slot
How does that work again
There's usually only 2 Sekiwake but if you get a 11 win streak in a basho they open a new slot regardless?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:37:20 UTC No. 157769
>>157768
Basically yes, if you get 11 wins at komusubi then you're a sekiwake even if there's two or more others, since it's not fair to limit someone who's performing at sekiwake or better quality just because there happens to be people ahead of them.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:38:06 UTC No. 157770
>>157768
>How does that work again
>There's usually only 2 Sekiwake but if you get a 11 win streak in a basho they open a new slot regardless?
2 sekiwake, of course, must be listed on the banzuke.
If all the current sekiwake get winning records they can't be demoted. But if a komusubi also does extraordinarily well (the traditional cut-off point being 11 total wins. They don't have to be consecutive) the banzuke committee will create a new, temporary sekiwake rank for him.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:50:17 UTC No. 157774
How did you guys rate this basho?
How did your boys do?
Who were the biggest duds?
>Clown-level
Medium-low clowniness. Ultimately a sekiwake won, which is expected when the ozeki and yokozuna are absent/injured.
>Oho
6-9 was what I predicted for him. He was ranked a little too high for his skill level, but he more or less won the matches he was supposed to.
>Hoshoryu
No complaints
>Abi
I think he was carrying an injury because he was not moving well at all.
>Atamifuji
No complaints. He's looking big.
>Duds
Hokuseiho has been solved.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:15:48 UTC No. 157775
>>157774
I rate it a 9/10 overall
>clown levels
haven't watched enough to truly discern a clown basho from a regular basho with some upsets
>Tobizaru
Pretty happy with his performance, loved his match against Terunoknees but he struggles to get double digit wins so I'm doubtful he'll ever go beyond Komusubi
>Ura
His wins were pretty good but maybe next time he'll get a stronger performance
>Hakuoho
Legitimately impressed, expected him to just barely get a KK, instead he was a championship contender to the very end, I hope he can get treated so he won't be a mummy by November
Not my boys but still impressed
>Kirishima
A 6-9 despite injuries was way more than I expected, when he came back I was questioning why even show up
>Hokutofuji
Great performance overall, can't even say he choked at the end, Hoshoryu just fought better
>Hoshoryu
After a year in Sekiwake he finally got his Ozeki promotion, was never a fan but I'm happy for him, although seeing him cry after winning might have nudged me a bit to feel this way
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:56:59 UTC No. 157781
Nobody mentions Gonoyama, but 10-5 in shin-makuuchi is great. Just 1 loss more than Ochiai.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 17:13:07 UTC No. 157785
Did they purposely train Hokuseiho to have no technique for our entertainment?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 17:20:27 UTC No. 157789
>>157781
>Nobody mentions Gonoyama, but 10-5 in shin-makuuchi is great. Just 1 loss more than Ochiai.
There were a lot of decent performances that flew under the radar. Obviously, the ozeki runs and Hakuoho took up the bulk of the press coverage, while we were all pulling for Nishikigi and Hokutofuji, but yeah, Gonoyama's 10-5 was overlooked as was Shonannoumi's 10-5.
Kotonowaka won his last 6 matches and ended up 1 win behind the cup winner.
Even old man Takarafuji managed his first winning record in a year.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 17:45:25 UTC No. 157791
>>156499
I miss him...
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 17:59:28 UTC No. 157794
>>157785
outside of 3 bashos where he was out for injury this is his first losing record. And he needed it. Despite what people want to think he is pretty good with uwatenage setups. But he looked really lazy out there, maybe injured. He never had an aggressive tachiai but he would at least move around enough when he forced his lean on them to keep position. This basho he just freely let people get into favorable position and didn't put much fight. I just wish he would maybe throw in a forearm into hatakikomi like Tochi was doing near the end of his career to keep more mobile rikishi from just getting low and to the backside of his belt, but he doesn't seem to want to be aggressive at all at tachiai.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:18:51 UTC No. 157798
>>157794
His lack of aggression is frustrating, but it's probably because he doesn't know what to do. For guys his size, it's not surprising. His whole life, he's simply been so much bigger than his opponents, being huge literally was the only tactic he needed.
Now he's fighting guys who are skilled enough to deal with his size and they've figured him out, even mental midgets like Oho.
Last month, he said he was going to start working some oshi-zumo into his repertoire, which is probably smart, but he also needs to put on about 25lbs if he's going to have enough force behind his shoves.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:21:28 UTC No. 157799
Is sumo somewhat of a big sport in Mongolia itself? I know there's a lot mongols that enter it but is it something that families and complete strangers over there gather for, hold events, and root for their respective wrestler(s), or is it just mainly for fans of wrestling?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:28:13 UTC No. 157801
>>157785
"I must apologise for Wimp-seiho. He is an idiot. We have pruposely trained him wrong, as a joke."
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:39:40 UTC No. 157802
>>157799
>Is sumo somewhat of a big sport in Mongolia itself? I know there's a lot mongols that enter it but is it something that families and complete strangers over there gather for, hold events, and root for their respective wrestler(s), or is it just mainly for fans of wrestling?
It's moderately popular. Obviously it's become more popular since Mongolians are good at it. It also doesn't hurt that it's quite similar to Mongolian folk wrestling, so it's easy for fans to grasp the sport. It's still not as popular as their traditional sports or as popular as football or basketball, though.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 19:26:19 UTC No. 157812
>>157789
Also Ryuden getting that 10 win streak after starting 0-4
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 19:26:57 UTC No. 157813
>>157802
I imagine money is also a big factor; you can earn a lot more doing sumo than mongolian wrestling.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 19:28:31 UTC No. 157815
>>157812
oh yes, that was very well done by Ryuden, 10 in a row.
Also, Atamafuji going back to makuuchi with that yusho.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 19:41:21 UTC No. 157816
>takakeisho
>hoshoryu
>kotonowaka
>hakuoho
>gonoyama
>kotoshoho
>oho
>hakuseiho
>atamamifuji
Iām looking forward to seeing these young saplings take root as their new era begins to blossom
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 19:48:56 UTC No. 157818
Remember to buy those banzukes and the painting banzukes for hoshoryus first yusho so you can flip them might be worth a lot since this is also kirishimaās first basho as ozeki even though he bombed
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:09:24 UTC No. 157824
>>157786
He'd be so proud of his boys.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:09:54 UTC No. 157825
>>157816
It was said in the other thread already, but including Keisho in there is dishonest. He's a barely-functioning ozeki turning 27 in a couple weeks and dying of heart failure in a couple years. He barely belongs with Hoshoryu and babyface, let alone the rest of the bunch.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:15:27 UTC No. 157826
>>157824
He'd be very confused about why his boys are playing with the japanese instead of killing and raping them but at least they're beating them so there's that
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:18:28 UTC No. 157827
>>157825
>sacrificing your body and life to a sport your father made you do whilst knowing youāre terribly undersized.
How can you not love keisho he is the real heart of sumo
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:43:33 UTC No. 157833
>>157825
Takakeisho haters are a weird bunch. If he doesn't make Yokozuna, he will go down as one of the best Ozeki ever.
Sometimes I see some weird shit like some people saying Toshinoshin of all people was a proper Ozeki unlike Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:44:07 UTC No. 157834
>>157831
He did not impress me with his loose mawashi antics. I know it's allowed within the rules, but it just feels underhanded.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:45:56 UTC No. 157835
>>157833
>If he doesn't make Yokozuna, he will go down as one of the best Ozeki ever.
Why? I only started watching last basho, I genuinely want to know.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:48:15 UTC No. 157836
>>157835
He got it pretty fast and he's held it for a long time, I'd imagine.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:57:23 UTC No. 157837
>>157833
>If he doesn't make Yokozuna,
I think we can bank on that
>he will go down as one of the best Ozeki ever.
He'll go down as a good one, but not one of the best.
But it's also important to note that his tenure as ozeki is ocurring in an era with no other strong ozeki or any reliable yokozuna, and yet he still can't seal the deal. He's not exactly playing on hard mode like Kaio or Chiyotaikai did.
In his time as ozeki, he's been kadoban 7 times and actually had to regain the rank once via the 10-win sekiwake route.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:58:55 UTC No. 157838
>>157836
>>157833
I don't hate him, but there's no way he should be considered one of the best ozeki ever when he's spent most of his run injured. He hasn't even hit 200 wins at ozeki yet, and that's while competing in a weak era.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:01:19 UTC No. 157839
>>157825
Yeah, sure. Keisho's such an untalented scrub with his three yusho - the first at 22yo - and eight jun-yusho. All the five years he served as ozeki up until now are an ridiculously unearned product of chance. Not to mention the two times he fell just one win shy of making yokozuna. How dare you name him in the same sentence as someone like Kotonowaka who just managed to get double digit wins for the first time in the joi at the juvenile age of 26.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:13:20 UTC No. 157840
>>157837
>>157838
Takakeisho is kind of like a Tochiazuma in that he was constantly getting injured so you never got to see how good he actually could have been.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:19:06 UTC No. 157842
>>157781
I didn't mention him because honestly he already proved himself to me in his Juryo run
The guy was a goddamn cannonball and it was no different here
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:25:03 UTC No. 157845
>>157837
He has one of the best w-l records of ozeki (I believe he ranks 2nd) even considering tournaments he was injured in.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:29:16 UTC No. 157846
>>157839
>Not to mention the two times he fell just one win shy of making yokozuna
Yup.
Dunno why some people say with certainty he will never make yokozuna when he came this close twice.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:30:23 UTC No. 157847
>>157838
>competing in a weak era
He was competing with Kakuryu and Hakuho...
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:37:06 UTC No. 157850
>>157847
>He was competing with Kakuryu and Hakuho...
As an ozeki he actually only competed in 3 tournaments where either Hakuho or Kakuryu made it all 15 days.
In his three tournament wins, all occurred when all yokozuna were 0-0-15.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:37:58 UTC No. 157852
>>157847
He only had 9 bouts total with either of them.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:47:58 UTC No. 157853
>>157845
There isn't any calculation of W-L records that puts Takakeisho that high. If you go by pure win-loss percentage he's actually pretty average for an ozeki, 63.6% when the ozeki average is 63.4%.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:56:12 UTC No. 157856
>>157853
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sumo/comme
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:59:12 UTC No. 157857
>>157856
>if you get rid of people who don't count according to me, weight specific things based on what I say, and come up with a definition entirely around my subjective opinions, Takakeisho is the second best modern ozeki
Only reddit could come up with something that retarded.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:10:50 UTC No. 157862
>>157857
This is comparing ozeki from the modern era who never became Yokozuna. I think it is fair.
Or do you think Raiden Tameemon should count?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:20:27 UTC No. 157867
>>157783
>wastes salt and loses first week
>injures Kiho by falling on him
>has one kino match then loses out and MKās
>wonāt fall far enough to drop out of Juryo and fuck off with his salt throwing bullshit
Got he makes me seethe so much. Is Akua actually based?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:23:46 UTC No. 157869
>>157858
based Kaio throwing his last couple of bouts for fellow struggling ozekis so they can still KK
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:26:47 UTC No. 157870
>>157858
Jesus that is a brutal schedule.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:29:35 UTC No. 157871
>>157858
Holy fuck
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:31:25 UTC No. 157872
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:43:21 UTC No. 157873
>>157862
Nope, still an idiotic decision. Because it ignores all the guys who had outstanding ozeki tenures before eventually making it to yokozuna like Musashimaru and Kisenosato, just because they weren't guys who shot up quickly like Akebono and Asashoryu. And if you're going to exclude yokozuna then "modern" becomes "when yokozuna was officially recognized on the banzuke" because there's no point further differentiating it.
And even if you exclude those guys, Takakeisho still isn't that high up. In terms of "wins above average" for non-yokozuna ozeki, he's below Takanonami, Konishiki, Kotokaze, Kaio, Wakashimazu, and Baruto.
So yes, reddit is still retarded, and so are you for defending reddit.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 22:46:35 UTC No. 157874
>>157873
This is comparing guys whose final rank was Ozeki. Kisenosato didn't go down in history as an Ozeki, but as a Yokozuna.
And if you look at the ranking, the categories are reasonable.
You just have an unreasonable hate for Takakeisho like the fucking clowns who think Toshinoshin was a better Ozeki.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:20:31 UTC No. 157885
>>157874
I think you can still look at a wrestlers' tenure as an ozeki, even if they got promoted or not.
Kisenosato, as a yokozuna, was disappointing. While he was an ozeki, he was pretty damn good.
Similarly, Mitakeumi, as an ozeki, was a wet fart, but overall his career has been really good.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:27:41 UTC No. 157888
>>157874
not the guy you're replying to: if you look at the redditor's methodology, it's awful. There's no serious rigor of attempting to calculate shifting relative values of wins, the weight of any particular yusho or junyusho, average strength of competition - none of that. It's basic counting stats and algebra being tortured just so that he can he point at a spreadsheet and say he calculated the strongest wrestler.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:37:19 UTC No. 157893
>>157768
>>157769
>>157770
What are the advantages of Sekiwake over Komusubi? Iām assuming there is a pay bump per match. Anything else besides bragging rights?
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:40:27 UTC No. 157896
>>157888
I've created a scientifically rigorous method to determine how to rate rikishi against one another.
(Career winning percentage + Makuuchi winning percentage + total number of cups won) * L-factor
L-factor is a weighted scalar of how many yokozuna/dai-yokozuna were active during the rikishi's career, including future yokozuna, how many matches the rikishi missed, how many rikishi had winning records against him, and also how much I'm a fan of them.
By that measure, Oho, as it turns out, is actually the greatest rikishi of all time.
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:41:47 UTC No. 157897
>>157893
>What are the advantages of Sekiwake over Komusubi? Iām assuming there is a pay bump per match. Anything else besides bragging rights?
I think the pay is actually the same.
Functionally, it's no different. You face basically the same group of opponents. If you are going to be promoted to ozeki, though, you have to finish your run at sekiwake.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:00:31 UTC No. 157903
>>157896
Even that would probably be more accurate than
>we add up the number of times an ozeki beat a yokozuna, and whichever ozeki has the most points across their career is listed as #1 in the first of my three criteria
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:05:00 UTC No. 157905
>>157833
>>157839
Alright let's try this again
I understand that the age of social media discourse has impeded peoples' abilities to read or to assume the guy on the other side isn't maliciously trying to hurt specifically your feelings, but re-read what I said and contextualize it with OP
>young saplings take root as their new era begins to blossom
>I explicitly bring up Keisho's age in contrast to the rest of the group
>somehow both of you think it means I think Keisho is dogshit and Kotonowaka is a daiyokozuna in waiting
Keisho is 27 in two weeks, making him the oldest of that group by a fair margin, and he has a growing history of injury issues plus pretty significant health problems compared to even the two oldest people OP mentioned, let alone the ones who are actually young (a list which includes rikishi I ACTUALLY dislike). He's not an up and comer, Takakeisho's clock is ticking; his peak time is right now in the present, not the nebulous golden age-to-be. He barely constitutes a larger part of sumo's glorious future than Kiri at this point
My personal feelings on him have nothing to do with what I said and would be a distraction from the point I was making, which you both missed. The brain sees what it wants to see, I guess, but not everyone who says something tangentially negative about something or someone you like is making an attack on your personality. I just don't think Keisho is going to be a big part of sumo 5 years from now, which I contrast with the potentials of every other member of OP's list
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:09:13 UTC No. 157906
>>157905
Sumo is a motherfucker. Back when he first made ozeki everyone was raving about how he's a young superstar who could have a lengthy career if he makes yokozuna, and now it seems like we've all blinked and he's suddenly 27 and still an injured ozeki about to be passed by the new young superstars.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:15:20 UTC No. 157909
>>157774
>Clown level
9/10. Ending with hoshoryu winning was the only reason it wasn't a 10/10. The front runners were a 19 year old m17, an aging out m9 that went mk in his last 4 tournaments (x3 7-8, 6-9), and an m1 who choked hard as fuck on his last 4 days.
you also had 2 ozeki candidates that not only missed their chance, they couldn't even manage double digits to keep their ozeki chances alive going into the next tournament
add in terunofuji pulling out after getting monkeypoxed, not having the genius fightst all, and kirishima coming back in broken just to get mk anyway starts really adding up. everyone getting prizes was something too.
bonus: takayasu decided to give up aftet 1 lose to drop rank. trying to get easier matches next basho to finally score a yusho (he'll still choke)
>teru
dedtroyed
>genius
didn't fight
>boobs
still in top division, not safe yet
>jolly green
last bout really sums up his basho better than any words could
>goat jr.
great first showing. i posted hed win the basho day 1, and this showing didn't disappoint
>mitakeumi
the family death and then barely showing up. punished
>>157781
>>157789
those 5 in the middle were pretty bad. like he lost momentum after losing one. he wasn't really on track for ten in my mind day 11.
>>157794
>>157798
he doesn't even need to be that aggressive. just stop standing right up so they get into his chest. he wants that over shoulder mawashi grip, but it ain't working well in makuuchi. hell, just catching them with both arms would probably be enough
>>157858
wonder how much a mind fuck it is to be 4-19 against someone. like Tochinoshin was 0-25 against hakuho before finally getting one
>>157874
luckily for Tochinoshin fans, mitakeumi exists to bump him out of the worst modern ozeki position
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:15:46 UTC No. 157910
>>157906
>Sumo is a motherfucker.
Ain't that the truth?
Seems like we only ever talk about a wrestler's durability once his injuries start piling up but we don't project out a wrestler's durability when he's young.
Take Hakuoho as a perfect example. Sure, he's 19, already has a man's body, and fights like a 10-year veteran (ref. that uchigake he popped on Nishikigi) but he's also undersized. He's basically just a lighter version of Mitakeumi, size-wise.
(And I'll even write off all the KT tape as an emotional security blanket rather than any real problem.)
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:23:54 UTC No. 157914
>>157905
>peak time is in the present
thats the same for the others that are 25 going on 26. theyre not young enough for us to speculation how they will develop given 3 years. in 3 years they're nearing 30. hoshoryu is still young enough having turned 24 in may for 3 years of development to possibly turn him into his uncle by 27.
the real new wave will be hoshoryu and down
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:26:03 UTC No. 157915
>>157909
>luckily for Tochinoshin fans, mitakeumi exists to bump him out of the worst modern ozeki position
luckily there is also assanoyama who also got knocked out of ozeki just as quickly as tochi and has far less awards than him. for some reason people seem to forget how short his ozeki run lasted
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:53:41 UTC No. 157925
>>157915
I think there's always going to be an asterisk needed when discussing Asanoyama as an Ozeki, given that he lost the rank outside of competition, as it were. Going by the numbers isn't a good metric for sumo, which has been pointed out in this thread already.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:05:13 UTC No. 157930
Just going to point out that for the past ten years roughly the peak age for sumo has been 28/29, in terms of top division performance. Obviously part of that is certain yokozuna staying dominant for extended periods of time, but even in maegashira we've seen a lot more whiley vets stay on for longer.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:06:34 UTC No. 157932
>>157925
>Going by the numbers isn't a good metric for sumo, which has been pointed out in this thread already.
Based. Sumo is an aesthetic experience that filters typical sports nerds through constant inconsistency and the nonsensical decision making of its geriatric sporting body
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:08:25 UTC No. 157933
>>157930
That is true, though in Takakeisho's case, his body is about 92.
I think you're seeing that across all sports, though. Guys supposedly past their primes keep playing well, long after they should have dropped off. e.g. Tom Brady in football
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:09:53 UTC No. 157935
>>157933
That's always going to be the case with elite athletes, because even after their primes they're still better at 50% than the rest at 100%, but even among the meat-and-potatoes maegashira they're trending slightly older.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:13:20 UTC No. 157936
>>157935
I read somewhere that this is because the old guys now were the first generation to understand that you have to take fitness seriously from Day 1.
Like, in the old days, guys wouldn't get serious about fitness/nutrition/recovery/etc until they were old and trying to extend their careers. Maybe they'd squeeze out a couple more years, but the damage was done.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:14:21 UTC No. 157938
>>157877
The strongest neck in all of sumo
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:16:28 UTC No. 157940
>>157915
>Asanoyama
7 basho @ ozeki - 51-24-30
~7 years
1 yusho
4 jun
3 kanto
1 gino
2 shukun
>Tochinoshin
7 basho @ - 35-43-27
~12 years
1 yusho
4 jun
6 kanto
3 gino
2 shukun
1 kimboshi
Awards
feel like a measurement of how long you were floating in maegashira than anything else.
The big one was he didn't get beaten out of the position and was pundhed for going out and fucking hostesses during covid like a real chad.
>>157933
>body age of 92
boggie has outlived zyzz, 5% pianoman, mountain dog meadows, justyn vicky, mike mentzer, etc
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:00:40 UTC No. 157954
>>157858
For newbies watching, that's an insane schedule that's even more insane than it looks on paper. Even the maegashira opponents he fought were former sanyaku or went on to become sanyaku. The lowest peak was Homasho at komosubi. Everyone else were or went on to become sekiwake, ozeki, or yokozuna.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:01:19 UTC No. 157955
>>157933
>Tom Brady in football
most nfl quarters would kill to have thier prime years be as good as ton's last three. his family falling apart may be the only reason he didn't stick around to win an 8th
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:07:39 UTC No. 157956
>>157781
Gonoyama won the battle, but lost the war
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:09:16 UTC No. 157957
>>157801
>I'm a rikishi too, you know!
>I tachiai standing up!
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:13:09 UTC No. 157959
>>157940
>tochi ozeki tenure is kakryu and hakuho dominating the yushos while he knee is completely gone.
>asanoyama ozeki tenure is him getting a free break from covid, both yokozunas calling out. but him still being gatekept by Shodai, Keisho and Teru.
Asanoyama was in the easiest era to dominate but instead couldn't follow basic rules to even stay around. Tochi also has more Juryo titles since Assanoyama couldn't take on a retiring Ichinojo. I won't argue that Asanoyama is a consistent wrestler but he has been nothing dominant like people want to believe.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:14:40 UTC No. 157960
>>157910
>I'll even write off all the KT tape as an emotional security blanket rather than any real problem
More than a few people have suggested that Hakuouhou's left grip was a bluff, and Hoshoryu's throw was so quick and easy because Hakuouhou couldn't put in any resistance with the arm.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:17:55 UTC No. 157963
>>157833
>Takakeisho haters are a weird bunch
Take a look in the mirror, it's Takakeisho fanboys who are the weird ones. For whatever reason, it is heretical to acknowledge the morbidly obese hamster in the room; which is that Takakeisho is particularly prone to injury and health issues. The second someone questions whether the guy who gasses himself during the dohyo-iri has, perhaps, missed his opportunity to be promoted to yokozuna, they're accused of "hating" Takakeisho.
>If he doesn't make Yokozuna, he will go down as one of the best Ozeki ever
But to be fair, I probably should have read the rest of your post and realized you were trolling.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:20:34 UTC No. 157964
>>157837
To put Takakeisho's ozeki tenure into perspective, all you have to do is remember that he was serving alongside Shodai and pre-probation Asanoyama. I think probation did a lot of good for Asanoyama's reputation (and probably body), though.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:22:22 UTC No. 157966
>>157960
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was speaking hypothetically about projecting HKO'd career durability in regards to his size.
Like, even if he has zero injury history in his (brief) career, he's still not the size of a guy who goes undamaged, nor does he fight like a guy who never misses a match.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:27:21 UTC No. 157968
>>157774
>Clown level
Easily the best basho in recent memory. The only clowns in the ring were the gyoji, who were consistently in the way for whatever reason.
>How did your boys do?
Every single one of my boys came out clean. I've been patiently waiting for Hoshoryu to win a yusho and ascend to ozeki, so that's two birds. Wakamotoharu, Tobizaru, Ura, Hokutofuji, and Takarafuji all did very well for themselves, although I'm disappointed it wasn't Hokutofuij who won the yusho.
>Who were the biggest duds?
I made the mistake of actively believing in Takayasu the day before he imploded. I'm never making that mistake again.
I'm now a fan of Hiradoumi as well. Bad record, but he fought hard the entire basho.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:31:27 UTC No. 157970
>>157959
>he has been nothing dominant like people want to believe.
agree, but that wasn't why he was brought up. other anon brought him up to suggest that he was a worse ozeki than Tochinoshin, which he wasn't.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:35:52 UTC No. 157971
>>157963
>takakeisho fat bad
>kotonowaka fat good
anyone who mentions things like
>morbidly obese
>healthissues
in regards to sumo should kill themselves.
they're all obese, they're all doing shit thats bad for their health, they're all getting injured and only the lucky few with rank can take off for injury
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:38:54 UTC No. 157974
>>157971
>Implying height and genetics don't make a difference in terms of a body's comfortable carrying weight
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:44:57 UTC No. 157976
>>157971
Kotonowaka is 13 cm taller and 17 kg lighter. Literally the only people heavier than Takakeisho are Tsurugisho and Aoiyama, both of whom are lower maegashira and both of whom are significantly taller.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:50:44 UTC No. 157979
>>157971
there isn't some binary of obese and not obese
Takakeisho is so horribly obese it's hard to even give a word for it, and he 17 kg more than Kotonowaka(disputable based on source but I'm using Sumodb), while 15 cm shorter. They are all obese, but not all obese are created equal
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 02:56:29 UTC No. 157981
>>157971
>Takakeisho
27. Neck injury that has weakened his tachiai, knee injury, knee injury, knee injury, leg injury, ankle injury, pectoral injury. Breathes like a fish out of water on good days. Had to endure his sixth kadoban defense in May despite still being injured; will be kadoban again September.
>Kotonowaka
25. Knee injury, knee injury.
If you look at Takakeisho's results, they bear out this exact criticism: he's withdrawn from or sat out 8 basho since his promotion to ozeki - 30% of basho since May 2019. He would probably be yokozuna if he weren't so fucking prone to injury because he has all the mass and grace of a human cannonball.
You are either trolling or retarded if you're comparing Kotonowaka and Takakeisho's bodies. This isn't about who's the better rikishi, it's about Takakeisho's body preventing him from becoming yokozuna from a statistical perspective. Just look at his records from September 2020 and July 2022. Promising run, injury. Promising run, injury.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 04:13:39 UTC No. 158015
>>157974
>>157976
>>157979
>>157981
>mention kotonowaka
>kotosexuals flip their shit
no shit other people carry their weight differently. the fact is kotonowaka is still grossly overweight and has the same complications other fatasses have. pointing to takakeisho and saying he's unhealthy for his weight is the most retarded thing you can do when talking sumo. participating in a sport at the top level is usually never good for your overall health.
i wasn't commenting on his ability to make yokozuna. i don't care if he does.
also this >>157991 takakeisho ain't even 400lbs yet
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 04:26:42 UTC No. 158019
https://youtu.be/dG8irnohFEE
Subbed video of Gagamaru visiting Hakuho's stable. Popped up in my feed and thought I'd share since nobody mentioned it.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 04:30:16 UTC No. 158020
>>158015
>kotonowaka is still grossly overweight
They're saying that he isn't as bad off relative to Takakeisho specifically. Enho is overweight - are you going to argue he has the same medical concerns as Dewanojo?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 06:03:20 UTC No. 158026
>>157968
>Wakamotoharu
He broke his Ozeki run, so how is that doing good for himself?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:20:51 UTC No. 158038
>>158019
>Gagamapoo
In the mawashi, no less.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:28:57 UTC No. 158045
>Takakeisho comes 1 victory shy of becoming Yokozuna twice in his career
>27 years old
>But apparently, he will never make Yokozuna and is an average Ozeki
Why are Keisho haters so sure he will never be Yokozuna?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:38:33 UTC No. 158046
>Chronic neck, back, now knee injuries
>Constantly kyujo
>There has not been a yokozuna under 1.80m in nearly 50 years and never one as small as Takakeisho (1.75m) in the entirety of the modern era.
Why are Keisho lovers so sure he will be Yokozuna?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:39:51 UTC No. 158047
>>158045
I don't like Takakeisho because I don't like his style, but I won't say he doesn't have a shot at becoming a Yokozuna, I think he doesn't have a shot at becoming a good one. He's too injury prone as is, and since the consequences of posting a losing record as a yoko are bigger, he'd pull out of tournaments constantly. Already as an Ozeki he's been kadoban multiple times (and fallen to Sekiwake once), and multiple times he defended that kadoban status by going a very close 8-7, sometimes with fusensho, which he wouldn't risk at yoko. You may argue that he'd pull back a couple times cause his rank would be secure, heal up and then come and crush, but I think he's too broken physically already to heal fully, and also too one-dimensional to be sure he will crush even when he does come back. His yusho wins were 13-2 at most, so even at his best, I don't think he's truly that dominating. The rope would be a crown achievement of his career, but I also think it would mark the end of it even more than for Teru.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:06:52 UTC No. 158049
>>158045
>and is an average Ozeki
This is a fun reminder that only slightly lower than one half of all ozeki since 1958 have made yokozuna, therefore a statistically average ozeki (or median, if you prefer to be pedantic) would be the top level ozeki that finishes just shy of being yokozuna, like Konishiki, Kaio, Chiyotaikai, or, at the moment, Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:16:40 UTC No. 158050
>>158045
too injury prone he would be a kisenosato-tier yokozuna
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:30:11 UTC No. 158053
https://www.instagram.com/p/CvEy2wX
>competed with hypertension
wondering if he pinned to much for this victory and how far back it went if he did
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:37:48 UTC No. 158054
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:39:42 UTC No. 158056
>>158026
I didn't expect him to get the promotion at all.
>>158045
>Takakeisho comes 1 victory shy of becoming yokozuna twice in his career
>Why are Keisho haters so sure he will never be yokozuna?
Because
>Takakeisho comes 1 victory shy of becoming yokozuna twice in his career and then immediately withdraws due to injury
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:45:35 UTC No. 158057
I didn't expect Big Dan to make KK, I'm happy for him, he's probably close from retirement so it's nice to see that he can still go
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:04:58 UTC No. 158058
>>157789
>Even old man Takarafuji managed his first winning record in a year.
He's only had one losing record this year though? I'm just glad he did it relatively fast this time, he's usually got me worrying the whole basho.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:14:41 UTC No. 158060
>>158054
those are both my posts.
>>158020
no shit he isn't as bad off, but they're both bad to the point it impacts their health. koto isn't that far off from takakeisho. its the same for an overwhelming majority in sumo. my point was its dumb to single out takakeisho for health issues and a weight problem when the rest suffer from the same shit.
wrestlers enho and midorifuji are bf% outliers in the salary ranks.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:22:04 UTC No. 158061
>>158047
>>158050
The point is not that he would be a Hakuho or Asashoryu. If he becomes Yokozuna, he will be more similar to Terunofuji. It is better to be a Kisenosato than it is to be a Kaio.
But saying "he will never get the rope" which such certainty seems very unfair to someone who came this close twice and who is by far the top dog when he is healthy and Terunofuji is not fighting.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:23:28 UTC No. 158062
>>158061
>when he is healthy
So...2018?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:26:46 UTC No. 158063
>>158062
Or the last time he had a Yokozuna run which was in November-January
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:30:06 UTC No. 158064
>>158063
>Or the last time he had a Yokozuna run which was in November-January
So when he didn't make it? Doesn't really do much to prop up the claim that he's the top dog.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:32:30 UTC No. 158065
>>158061
You should literally be banned for trolling
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:34:07 UTC No. 158066
>>158064
He was one win away from getting it. If he beat Abi in November, he would be Yokozuna now.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:36:27 UTC No. 158067
>>158065
How is that trolling?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:38:49 UTC No. 158068
>>158061
The health thing cannot be overstated. Being healthy, being able to compete at the highest level across all 15 days, across multiple tournaments is part of being a champion.
It doesn't matter if you can beat anyone on any given day if style means that you're constantly getting hurt.
Takakeisho's stablemaster and his trainers have done a poor job of managing his health.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:41:54 UTC No. 158070
>>158066
Oh, you mean, if he could only have beaten a maegashira 9, he'd be yokozuna?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:44:19 UTC No. 158071
>>158066
Yeah and if Konishiki had beaten M13e Kotofuji back in July 1991 then he'd have been yokozuna and wouldn't have spent the past 32+ years bitching about YDC racism and how much better sumo was in his day, but he didn't so he isn't.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:47:57 UTC No. 158073
>>158071
>Yeah and if Konishiki had beaten M13e Kotofuji back in July 1991 then he'd have been yokozuna
Or if he'd just not been a fucking idiot about it.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:00:06 UTC No. 158074
>>158073
Konishiki was kind of a victim of circumstance. Not only was he the first non-Japanese ozeki, it was also immediately after they tightened up the standards after Futahaguro and Onokuni, both of whom certainly got promoted with less impressive records.
But he also should have just kept his mouth shut.
Not that it mattered, since he never got close to promotion afterwards anyway.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:03:50 UTC No. 158076
Without a flamewar, other than Kaio and Takakeisho, which career Ozeki came the closest to Yokozuna?
Also, why didn't Kaio get promoted in 2003 and 2004?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:07:08 UTC No. 158078
>>158074
Yeah, some one had to be the first ozeki to hear "No, we really are serious about the promotion standard." and whoever it was was always going to feel screwed.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:15:04 UTC No. 158080
>>158076
I mean, Kaio is by far the one who came closest, he had four separate instances of back-to-back tournaments getting at least jun-yusho, and he's the poster child for "if he just got one more win." After him, Takakeisho is level with Chiyotaikai and Toyokuni. Konishiki, for as many yusho as he had, struggled with back-to-back consistency.
>Also, why didn't Kaio get promoted in 2003 and 2004?
His juns were weak, he had an injury history, and the YDC wasn't in a rush to promote anyone undeserving when Asashoryu had just been promoted and looked to be dominant for the foreseeable future.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:17:09 UTC No. 158081
>>158076
Konishiki got real close in 1991, with a 14-1 playoff loss, and then a 12-3. (He lost to the eventual champion, Kotofuji; the first time he'd ever lost to the guy.)
Chiyotaikai got kind of close in 2002 and in 2003 but could only follow up his cups with 10-5's.
Other than that, it's hard to say. The definition of "close" also changes. In the old days, two jun-yusho could be enough. Or they'd seemingly promote the best ozeki at random when they felt the sport needed a new yokozuna.
In Kaio's case, his jun-yusho's weren't strong enough to be yusho equivalent.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:18:07 UTC No. 158082
>>158080
Chiyotaikai only had one close run, right?
But it is kind of a shame for Kaio. In 2005 his consistency should count positively, shouldn't it?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:30 UTC No. 158084
>Konishiki
14-12-11-13-12-13
That was a strong run.
But he didn't have a JY+Y combination.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:24:42 UTC No. 158087
>>158082
>Chiyotaikai only had one close run, right?
11-4J, 14-1Y was as close as he got.
Consistency as ozeki doesn't really count. Yokozuna promotion is as much about feel as it is about numbers. Does this guy feel like an all-timer?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:29:06 UTC No. 158091
The only rope Takakeisho is getting is the vertical one
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:35:18 UTC No. 158096
>>158082
>In 2005 his consistency should count positively, shouldn't it?
No, it's not taken into consideration. Being consistent as an ozeki means you're at exactly the right rank.
There was a bunch of chatter when Kisenosato was promoted that his case was weak and the YDC and JSA tried to make a case for him based on his consistency as an ozeki. He was promoted on a 12-3 jun-yusho and 14-1 yusho. But in that 12-3 jun-yusho he also beat Hakuho, Kakuryu, and Harumafuji on consecutive days, in addition to beating the other ozeki he faced (Goeido and Terunofuji.)
And even with that, there was still controversy about the standards being relaxed.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:43:52 UTC No. 158098
>>158096
In Kisenosato's case, the argument for consistency was more that he was consistently yokozuna-quality as an ozeki, since a yokozuna is supposed to challenge for the title every tournament they're healthy, and Kisenosato had a stretch of four juns in a row, along with another stretch of three in a row, both happening when there were multiple yokozuna which meant he was outperforming at least one of them at all times, and had a winning record against yokozuna in those stretches. In fact he still has the record for most wins by an ozeki against a yokozuna.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:48:35 UTC No. 158100
>>158096
>And even with that, there was still controversy about the standards being relaxed.
Exactly. After the Futahaguro incident, the only yokozuna who have been promoted off a Y+JY were Kakuryu, Terunofuji, and Kisenosato.
- Kakuryu's JY was a 14-1 playoff loss.
- Terunofuji had actually just won two consecutive yusho (though one was from sekiwake) and then his JY was the 14-1 in Hakuho's 15-0 swan song.
Kisenosato is the aberration of the bunch and so his performance cannot be used as an exemplar to make anyone else's case.
More to the point, in Takakeisho's case, his JY is no where near as strong as Kisenosato's, as you detailed. Takakeisho's JYs in his two tsunatori were both 12-3 without any yokozuna active.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:59:32 UTC No. 158102
>>158098
You're right that Kisenosato was extremely consistent and competitive during his tenure as ozeki, but that is not considered when talking about promotion.
Like the other anon said, being consistent means you're at the right rank.
After he won his yusho at 14-1, they looked at his 12-3, they determined that beating 3 yokozuna would ordinarily be the sort of thing that nets you a cup.
The fact that we're still debating this 6 years later shows just how dodgy the promotion was because he also turned out to be Onokuni all over again.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:08:52 UTC No. 158103
>hoshoryu
Yokozuna
>kotonowaka
Shodai tier Ozeki.
>hakuoho
High tier Ozeki/Yokozuna
>gonoyama
Sekiwake
>hokuseiho
Ichinojo tier Komosubi/Sekiwake
Can't see Kirishima being Yokozuna.
Takakeisho might or might no be. I think he has at least a couple more runs at Yokozuna, but if he becomes one will not be for a long time.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:15:53 UTC No. 158104
>>158103
>Can't see Kirishima being Yokozuna.
I think he comps pretty perfectly to Kakuryu. Kakuryu climbed up the ranks, never dazzling anyoen, then was an ozeki for two years and was never in the title hunt...then all of a sudden gets hot and gets promoted.
I'll admit I never saw Kakuryu coming either.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:33:14 UTC No. 158106
The age 25 and under rikishi and who they will be the next version of:
>Hoshoryu
Harumafuji
>Kotonowaka
Kotonowaka
>Hiradoumi
Kotoeko
>Hokuseiho
Ichinojo
>Oho
Taiho, in that he will have a stroke in his 30s
>Gonoyama
Onosho
>Kotoshoho
Sadanoumi
>Shonannoumi
Takayasu
>Hakuoho
Mitakeumi
>Atamifuji
Shodai
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 15:52:16 UTC No. 158108
>>158106
You see Atamifuji as the 2nd most talented after Hoshoryu?
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 16:06:27 UTC No. 158109
>>158108
Yeah, I think he's got what it takes to win cups.
(Although, I listed Hakuoho as the new Mitakeumi. He's the second best after Hoshoryu.)
He's got the size, he's rapidly developing the skill, he's got access to great coaching. He was promoted to makuuchi a little too soon last year (with an 8-7 from J3), that kind of shook his confidence and then he got the flu and fell down to J8.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 19:19:48 UTC No. 158121
>>158103
>Wakatakakage
Yokozuna
He's gonna have a Teru-like come back.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:12:23 UTC No. 158122
>>158106
Kotonowaka is kinda unique donāt discredit him because it took him forever to reach the top, hoshoryu and wtk log jammed the sanyaku so bad. I would like to see koto get into his bag more and show us some tricks like he did in july2021 when he won with 8 different kimirate. If kotonowaka fights mean we could see another terunofuji
Please support my boy heās just trying to make his dad and grandfather proud.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:55:16 UTC No. 158125
>>158121
wtk can't become yoko since he was never going to be ozeki. he simply wasn't ozeki material.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:08:53 UTC No. 158126
>>158122
>hoshoryu and wtk log jammed the sanyaku so bad.
Why are kotohomos this delusions? He should have won more matches. It doesn't matter if he is sekiwake or komusubi if hes only getting 8 or 9 wins.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:11:00 UTC No. 158128
>>158071
>spent the past 32+ years bitching about YDC racism
When/where has he done that
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:36:07 UTC No. 158129
The fact that generational sumo talent Kotonowaka is not yokozuna at this exact moment proves that the Yokozuna Deliberation Committee is racist against frog people.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:36:48 UTC No. 158130
>>158129
There is a clear 2 tit only rule
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 22:01:31 UTC No. 158132
>>158122
>unironically blaming other rikishi for Kotonowaka's lack of promotion
lmao
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:07:17 UTC No. 158138
>>154424
>Banzuki
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:43:04 UTC No. 158143
>>158132
>>158126
Hope kotonowaka can keep this up now that heās on a ozeki run slow and steady sumo wins again. Kotonowakaās back to back 11-4s shouldāve landed him a K but sanyaku was CLOGGED. Congratulations to nephew
Hoshoryu vs Kotozakura II is the future
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:51:54 UTC No. 158145
>>158138
Banzooks!
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:53:01 UTC No. 158146
>>158138
Bazinga
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 00:07:34 UTC No. 158148
>>158143
You mean AsaāI I MEAN Hoshoryu vs HakuhāI MEAN Hakuoho.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 00:24:12 UTC No. 158151
When do we usually get the Juryo promotion list? Also when is the NSK extraordinary meeting to discuss Hosh? When can we expect the Ozeki ceremony?
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 00:28:41 UTC No. 158152
>>158143
>m14 to k and no jun or yusho beatin on >m10s
>m6 to k and no jun or yusho
it wasn't ever happening unless everyone above him was like 4 wins or less
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 02:19:33 UTC No. 158161
>>158151
Wednesday, for all your questions. The discussion for Hoshoryu's promotion will happen at the same meeting where they decide promotions to juryo. The "ceremony" will happen after the meeting has concluded. It's less a formal ceremony because it's literally just the chairman going to the heya to inform Hoshoryu that he's promoted, they just do a rehearsed set of actions and speeches because there's always media present.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 02:44:13 UTC No. 158165
Its so heartbreaking, senpaitachi.
Not only Hokuto lost, Hak, who was my #2 desired outcome lost as well.
And to WHOM?! My #1 hated rikishi.
I'm still fuming.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 05:54:54 UTC No. 158191
>>158130
That's the same rule that made sure that Aoiyama would only reach Sekiwake
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 07:09:09 UTC No. 158201
GET REKT JAPS, MONGOL DOMINANCE FOR ANOTHER DECADE
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 07:34:00 UTC No. 158202
>>158184
I really love the low-poly dohyo and hanging thing. It makes it look like an N64 game.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:03:56 UTC No. 158204
>>158203
kino
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 10:00:40 UTC No. 158210
>>158071
>spent the past 32+ years bitching about YDC racism
Shit that never happened.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 10:03:54 UTC No. 158211
>>158151
Wednsday is the official promotiion notice, and the release of the promotee's to Juryo.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:04:30 UTC No. 158226
>>158211
Likelihood Onosato finally moves up? Likelihood Kiho falls back down?
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 14:29:18 UTC No. 158242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDA
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:38:38 UTC No. 158266
>>158226
I would be surprised if Kiho got sent back down a division. A 7-8 with two rungs below him should be enough to have him scrape by.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:56:22 UTC No. 158267
How can we save Takayasu?
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:33:34 UTC No. 158274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvT
Jesus Konishiki used to be big
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:36:23 UTC No. 158275
>>158267
He's already old by sumo standards, his only hope is if they get the best PED dopers in sports medicine to roid him up to the gills for one final push before he's perma-gimped
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:47:33 UTC No. 158278
>>158274
how much better would his record be if they didn't have to do the pre-match ceremony?
just getting up the steps and standing around probably used up half his stamina
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:48:41 UTC No. 158279
>>158278
He would lose every match if he didn't drink the chikara mizu first, obviously.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 18:42:16 UTC No. 158290
>>158274
That must be at (or almost) his absolute heaviest. Still looks like he has an easier time moving than Takakeisho.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 00:24:55 UTC No. 158344
>>158267
Give him the best concoction of painkillers money can buy for one last shot at the yusho.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 00:33:07 UTC No. 158347
>>158267
Some rikishi are not destined for victorious yushos or lengthy and fruitful Yokozuna spells. They do not write their name in history, they are the men of folklore. In twenty or fifty years they will not remember Uraās wizardry, or Enhoās fearlessness, or Takayasuās perpetual cycle of feeding and sneeding. But for us now, the simple joy of watching that mound of a man spin cycle his way through victories and defeats, throws and chokes, that mirthful meme of a fallen giant grimacing like some comical Sisyphus, THAT is worth cherishing each time we see it. God bless Takayasu, but please God, donāt change him. He is where he belongs, and we love him because he stays there
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 02:48:25 UTC No. 158354
>It is announced that five wrestlers will be promoted to jÅ«ryÅ for the September tournament. There are four new promotions, two of which are from Nishonoseki stable: 23-year-old Ånosato [ja], who is a makushita tsukedashi competitor and will participate in just his third tournament in September, and 24-year-old Takahashi [ja]. They are the first two recruited by their stablemaster, the 72nd yokozuna Kisenosato, to become sekitori. The other two new promotions are Miyagino stable's Mukainakano [ja], who will take on the new shikona TenshÅhÅ (天ē §éµ¬) in September, and Takasago stable's Ishizaki [ja], who will now compete under the name AsakÅryÅ« (ęē“ é¾). Tokihayate [ja], who had just been demoted to makushita in July and won that division's championship, is promoted to jÅ«ryÅ again.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 02:52:00 UTC No. 158356
>>158267
Too far gone this time but gonorilla is pretty hairy he can fill the void
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 03:01:52 UTC No. 158357
>>158354
Kiho lucky as fuck, and Tsukahara seething because they could've promoted him too at Kiho's expense. But five is a lot more than I expected with Onosato and Mukainakano only getting 4-3's.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 03:04:45 UTC No. 158358
>>158354
Tenshouhou is an interesting choice.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 03:22:44 UTC No. 158359
>>158357
>Kiho lucky as fuck, and Tsukahara seething
I don't think I saw anyone predict that Kihou would be demoted here. In the 28-man juryo era there's been one J13e 7-8 demotion, ten years ago, and twelve non-demotions.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 03:27:28 UTC No. 158360
>>158359
Ah, I looked at it from the other direction: in the past 20 years only one Ms7 has gotten the nod with a 6-1... after the basho when all the match-fixers were kicked out.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 07:10:38 UTC No. 158369
>>158354
>Nishonoseki double promotion
Good for Kisenosato
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:10:49 UTC No. 158372
>>158371
His dad looks like a mob boss.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:46:30 UTC No. 158378
Thought this was worth sharing here for those who don't read sumoforum. They're arguing about what constitutes a good ozeki, and someone said it was consistently averaging 10 wins at the rank.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:50:48 UTC No. 158379
>>158226
>Likelihood Onosato finally moves up?
I'd say about 98% chance of promotion due to the poor performance of the top ranked Makushita guys. There are 4 clear Juryo slots openining up, and Onosato is the second in line to have a winning record at the top of Makushita, so while he only got a 4-3 at MS3, it should be enough to all but one above him going MK.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:55:41 UTC No. 158380
>>158379
>I'd say about 98% chance of promotion
I would hope so, it was already announced today.
https://www.nikkansports.com/battle
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:56:58 UTC No. 158381
>>158358
reference to the great shrine of Amaterasu in his hometown I guess
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:57:59 UTC No. 158382
>>158380
LoL, yea, I didn't see that post.
Good on em' for the promotion.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 10:18:33 UTC No. 158384
>>158378
"There are no good ozeki" is correct: if they were good, they would eventually become yokozuna.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:21:10 UTC No. 158393
>>158392
Delete this
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:34:22 UTC No. 158396
>>158384
>"There are no good ozeki"
Low I.Q. take. There's a reason that a rank structure exists, and that's to seperate the performance of the competitors. A good Ozeki is better than the overwhelming majority of the rikishi, but not better than those capable of making Yokozuna.
Fuck off with your ignorant bullshit.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 14:42:14 UTC No. 158402
>Kaio, Dejima, Musoyama, Terao and now Hakuho, Goeido and Kisenosato all training sekitori
>10 years with no salaried wrestlers, no coaches, no hope
Is there any bright future for MusashiKWABa Oyakata?
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:16:36 UTC No. 158408
>>158392
Mongolian doesn't sound like Chinese, it sounds like a dog growling
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:19:42 UTC No. 158414
>>158403
You could barely call the expression on the left a "smile."
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:23:38 UTC No. 158415
>tfw there will never be a /sp/ & /xs/ 2 week sumo retreat where we just wrestle during the day and watch the basho at night
kill me, scoob
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:24:40 UTC No. 158416
>>158396
Roughly half of all ozeki have been promoted to yokozuna. Therefore, by definition, an ozeki who never makes yokozuna is a below average ozeki. QED.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:59:45 UTC No. 158425
>>158402
>>158403
>>158423
His problem is that he can never find any recruits with the same physical qualities that made him a good sumo wrestler
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:09:58 UTC No. 158426
>>158416
where are you getting those numbers? seems like 3x or 4x make ozeki and don't make yokozuna
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:23:12 UTC No. 158427
>>158426
Since the JSA was founded in 1927 (numbers before then are screwy due to Osaka sumo and guest ozeki being recorded on official records) there have been 95 ozeki with 45 of them making yokozuna, so slightly less than 50%. You have exactly 5 ozeki that you could consider "best ozeki to never make yokozuna" before that label starts to describe increasingly below average ozeki. Since the YDC was created in April 1950, there have been 76 ozeki with 36 making yokozuna. Again, slightly less than 50%, with a margin of 4 this time.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:23:41 UTC No. 158428
>>158426
Since the merger, there have been 52 ozeki that have failed to reach yokozuna. In that same timeframe, 42 ozeki did get promoted.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:29:31 UTC No. 158430
>>158415
what if /sumo/ organizes a group trip to watch a basho live?
How long would the group make it before getting ejected from the rokugekan?
Would the american fans fit in the seats?
Will romance bloom?
all that and more on the /sumo/ overseas arc!
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:35:15 UTC No. 158433
>>158430
We need to make shirts that say åčå·éØå± (one character per shirt) so the gaijincam can focus on us and wonder what the fuck it means.
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:50:38 UTC No. 158434
>>158430
>AS OF THE 29th OF APRIL 2023, PROOF OF VACCINATION AND NEGATIVE PCR TEST RESULTS ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED FOR ENTRY INTO JAPAN.
alright, set it up
I'm game
Anonymous at Wed, 26 Jul 2023 20:44:57 UTC No. 158440
>>158425
His problem is that he eats all the chanko, so his recruits can't get bigger. Look how much weight he's put on since 2013.
>>158403
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 01:50:23 UTC No. 158481
>>158371
Whatās Meisei doin there
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 01:59:44 UTC No. 158483
>>158481
"I hate promotion ceremonies"
"My feet hurt"
"The fish stinks"
"Look at all these mongols, I bet they don't even speak any japanese"
"I wish I was at home, doing 1000 teppo"
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:17:29 UTC No. 158485
>>158481
Same stable, anon
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 02:38:29 UTC No. 158490
>>158371
I hope Tio wrote his ozeki speech
>fuck the JSA
>fuck the YDC
>fuck judges
>come too close and I'll slap you
>*proceeds to mongolian throat sing
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 03:20:38 UTC No. 158499
>>158415
>wrestle during the day and watch the basho at night
In Japan the basho starts in the day.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:08:53 UTC No. 158514
>>158485
Why are their names so different I thought stablemates shared a specific name like the kotos
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:31:15 UTC No. 158516
>>158514
You don't have to take a character from your stable as a part of your ring name, it's just a thing people do often.
Meisei's shikona is literally just his given name. Akua is also in the same stable and his shikona is based on the aquarium from his hometown.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:47:24 UTC No. 158531
>>158499
No shit?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:51:14 UTC No. 158532
>>158531
Matches for lower divisions start at 8 in the morning. Juryo starts around 1 PM and top division around 4:00 PM.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:07:10 UTC No. 158534
>>158430
>what if /sumo/ organizes a group trip to watch a basho live?
I would sell you all into slavery to the local Yakuza boss.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:22:21 UTC No. 158535
Isn't number of Y+JY (with a higher weight to Y) the best way to rank Ozeki?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:10:21 UTC No. 158544
>>158535
But then you're giving undue credit to ozeki from massive stables, like Takanonami, who was regularly facing only half of the sanyaku. Not to say he wasn't a strong ozeki, but it isn't as impressive as, for example, Musashimaru's work at the same time, having to face 8+ sanyaku per basho and still consistently managing double digits.
Plus, in eras of strong yokozuna, it's possible for yusho/junyusho figures to be misleading. In four of our last six basho, junyusho has been at 11-4. Konishiki had three 12-3 performances at ozeki that weren't even junyusho.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:13:28 UTC No. 158545
>>158544
sorry, *last 5 of 6*
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:12:03 UTC No. 158548
>>158544
>But then you're giving undue credit to ozeki from massive stables, like Takanonami, who was regularly facing only half of the sanyaku. Not to say he wasn't a strong ozeki, but it isn't as impressive as, for example, Musashimaru's work at the same time, having to face 8+ sanyaku per basho and still consistently managing double digits.
The other statistics are also affected by this. And frankly, the mega stable seems like an exception not the rule. How many stables right now have multiple guys on maegashira 4 and above?
>Plus, in eras of strong yokozuna, it's possible for yusho/junyusho figures to be misleading. In four of our last six basho, junyusho has been at 11-4. Konishiki had three 12-3 performances at ozeki that weren't even junyusho.
Is it the case that the top guys are weaker or that the middle guys are stronger?
For example, think of soccer. Compare Bayern in Germany to Manchester in England.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:16:55 UTC No. 158549
>>158544
>four of our last six basho, junyusho has been at 11-4. Konishiki had three 12-3 performances at ozeki that weren't even junyusho.
When you start looking at it based on era, it almost makes it impossible to compare. Gets to be too much speculation. Same as with the endless Lebomb vs Jordan arguments. Interestingly, its alway taking one of them and plopping him in the othet era as he was, and not considering their entire developmental time. Would shodia be as inconsistent if 80s sumo culture develop him?
The big stable point is a good one. Easily inflates score.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:35:41 UTC No. 158551
>>158548
>Is it the case that the top guys are weaker or that the middle guys are stronger?
I don't think it needs argument to state that Takakeisho and Kirishima are not as strong as Hakuho and Asashoryu
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:55:20 UTC No. 158554
>>158551
Yeah, because those two are the two greatest.
But how do you compare the likes of Abi, Tobizaru and Ura with the upper maegashira of the past? We can't really know. Would they beat the likes of prime Kaio like sometimes they beat Hoshoryu, Takakeisho?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:50:06 UTC No. 158566
>>158555
We're speaking of dominance relative to the field as it relates to the average yusho, jun-yusho score. Even taking your joke seriously, that fact would have no bearing on the effect in question.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:24:48 UTC No. 158611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu6
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 16:25:42 UTC No. 158653
>>158550
Did he not already have a child? Did he get married after he had his son or something?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 16:31:31 UTC No. 158657
>>158653
The marriage was two years ago, the formal reception was just last month because of covid delays.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 16:32:56 UTC No. 158658
>>158657
I see. Good on him.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:01:10 UTC No. 158667
>>158555
>Hakuho wouldn't have even been able to make ozeki in the early 90s
What a stupid statement. G'damn, some of you guys are just plain retarded.
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:20:16 UTC No. 158670
>>158657
>>158653
it was something from yesterday. maybe reflecting on his own marriage after attending one?
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:50:11 UTC No. 158673
>>158667
Anon...
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:30:28 UTC No. 158700
>>158534
you'd have to pay him to unload a bunch of retarded fatasses an shitskins
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 20:20:48 UTC No. 158704
>>158555
dis nigger needs to have his nutsack stomped flat
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:11:35 UTC No. 158726
>>158667
He's quoting Konishiki, who has some dumb opinions
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:08:03 UTC No. 158729
>>158555
>Hakuho wouldn't have even been able to make ozeki in the early 90s, so clearly he and Asashoryu had their scores inflated because of competing in a weak era.
Hakuho _as_he_existed_in_the_2010s would have been too light, because the meta in the early 90s was all about big time mass. Takanohana has talked about putting on way more mass than was healthy because he needed to be able to fight Akebono.
Asashoryu changed the meta in the early 2000s back towards lighter weight fighters.
Hakuho, being the competitor he was, probably would have put on more mass.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:43:31 UTC No. 158736
>>158729
>the meta in the early 90s was all about big time mass
But the meta changed for a reason. If bloatmaxxing had still worked, they would have continued to do it. The fatness-as-a-style disappeared in response to the Mongolian techniques that were emerging in makuuchi, which could topple heavy guys easily with leg trips and komatasukui and all that. It didn't work against the new generation, in other words.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:59:35 UTC No. 158738
>>158736
Of course, that's how it is in every sport. The dominant strategy looks unstoppable and then one day the method to beat it is known, then overnight everyone is catching up to the new meta.
Tiki-taka in football, serve-and-volley in tennis. American football, in particular, is one changing meta after another.
Would Hakuho have done what Asashoryu did? Maybe, probably, who knows? Maybe his stablemaster would have forced him to get to 500lbs? Maybe he wouldn't have even been given a shot at all because he was so skinny as a child.
That's the impossible challenge of comparing eras.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:09:15 UTC No. 158740
>>158738
I get that, I was only meaning to challenge the "would have been too light" part. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:19:15 UTC No. 158741
>>158729
I want Hokuseiho to become the new Akebono. If he can just manage to put on 100 lbs, he'll be incredible.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:28:01 UTC No. 158742
>>158729
>>Hakuho _as_he_existed_in_the_2010s would have been too light
Source: your ass
Mainoumi weighed 100 kilo's max and made Komusubi during that era. You are absolutely retarded.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 03:09:34 UTC No. 158744
>>158728
this nigger letting the CTE do the talking
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 05:48:22 UTC No. 158758
>>158667
>>158704
>>158726
simps seething.. Konishiki simply answered the question.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 05:54:55 UTC No. 158759
>>158758
>Konishiki simply answered the question
He's made this claim multiple times over many years.
https://youtu.be/0--09IAKWSU?t=35
He insists that things were so much harder in his day and wrestlers were tougher and smarter and everything sucks now, as someone in every generation of sumo always does.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:13:57 UTC No. 158769
>>158759
exactly, so nothing new or enlightening what he said. People get older and perceive everything was tougher/harder than nowadays... and it most probably was.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:57:15 UTC No. 158770
>>158769
Yeah, but we newfans are just learning about it and want to ruin a comfy thread by pointlessly fighting about it.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:59:27 UTC No. 158771
>>158769
Not in this case. Konishiki is just a salty retard
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:13:25 UTC No. 158772
>>158769
>and it most probably was
1935: Tachiyama, Ootori and Tsunenohana complain about the differences between training in the old days and modern training.
>Tachiyama: Compared to training in the old days, it's a joke now. I don't know what they're doing. They lend their chest to two, three guys and already want to stop. Guys like Tamanishiki's oyakata, Nishonoseki-san, they'd lend their chests to anywhere from 30 to 50 rikishi without a problem.
>Ootori: They've gotten weaker.
>Reporter: And training starts later.
>Tsunenohana: In our day, we'd start at four in the morning, but now it's gotten they'll start around nine or ten.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:54:28 UTC No. 158781
>>158736
To be fair, there were no up and coming Hawaiians after Akebono and Musashimaru peaked, like how you see the banzuke has been saturated with Mongols for over a decade now. They don't just occupy the top.
I think the Pacific Islanders stopped coming not because the meta was changing, simply it was not worth moving over to Japan anymore.
That the Japs tried to imitate the bloatmaxxed Yokozunas, and so they were unprepared for Asashoryu? Maybe, but I would say it is still a skill issue above anything else.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:34:13 UTC No. 158783
>>158781
>simply it was not worth moving over to Japan anymore.
That and the stables couldn't afford to bring them over anymore, a combination of the two. If you look at guys recruited from the US, after Daiki in 1991 there was a massive gap until Kagamifuji in 2002, meanwhile 1992 is when the first wave of Mongolians came over. Take a wild guess what happened to Japan financially in late 1991/early 1992 that would've affected that.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:15:27 UTC No. 158787
>>158781
>so they were unprepared for Asashoryu?
They had to update the list of kimarite for Asashoryu. Nothing could have prepared the sumo world for him.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:34:00 UTC No. 158792
>>158791
Same. It usually takes about a year of watching someone for me to decide whether I like him or not. His quick rise is neat from the perspective of seeing records being set, but that's about it for now.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:41:50 UTC No. 158794
>>158792
I feel like almost nobody would realistically root for a genius, but when it comes to sports I guess some people just want to back a winner.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:46:18 UTC No. 158796
Hakuoho will propably get completely fucked by his shoulder at somepoint that will just make him regular maegashitter for the rest of his career. He is clearly just one bad loss away from it.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:49:06 UTC No. 158797
>>158794
I think it's more a case of people not knowing his in-ring style and demeanor yet.
Personality counts when you're looking for someone to root for, not just winning.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:57:00 UTC No. 158800
>>158759
Something every generation in the world does. People were bitching about 'the youths today' back when the Greeks were still relevant.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:28:29 UTC No. 158802
>>158796
Seems like he compensates already by going for overarm left every bout. Hoshoryu anticipated and exploited it in their bout, expect to see more rikishi follow suit. If he has to protect his arm itās a liability that will dog his career even if it isnāt an outright injury
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:32:59 UTC No. 158806
>>158802
Apparently that shoulder was bummy even in high school.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:39:52 UTC No. 158817
>>158742
>b-bb-but this guy made komosubi!!!
do you guys only ever query the database and not look at he rikishi's page when you need to support your cope and seethe?
He was floating around lower maegashira then made komusubi after 9-6 at m4 by virtual of banzuke luck. He proceeded to get destroyed at that one tournament there (2-13), and fell out of the top division 11 tournaments later.
Im not the other anon talking about hakuho, but you pulling this guy out of your ass is retarded.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:53:41 UTC No. 158818
>>158817
>doesn't respect the fact that a 170cm 100 kilo rikishi not only made the top division, but made sanyaku and remained in the sekitori ranks for over 8 years
Fuck off with your retarded take.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:54:04 UTC No. 158819
>>158772
>>158769
>>158759
>>158800
To be fair, what they're saying is true. Each newer generation has had it easier. Modern conveniences for things like getting and preparing food would be a huge part of daily life that got easier. Training also gets easier with advancement is sports science. You don't need to improve by beating your body down to nothing with bodyweight squats at 5am everyday because thays all you know. Not getting up at 5am just because thats what was done means longer sleep that will aid recovery. Knowing which injuries can be toughed out and which need rest and recovery. Plenty of shit makes it easier. those things that make it easier also produces, if everything else like talent pool is consistent, stronger, faster, bigger people.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:57:39 UTC No. 158820
>>158797
I think the style matters too. For example, that's why I don't like Takakeisho, but like Hoshoryu, not much to do with their personality or winning percentage.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:01:26 UTC No. 158823
>>158818
>absolutely malding muscle manlet fanlet
keep seething. the original point was hakuho not making ozeki in the 90s at his normal size. the random scrubs you pull out of your ass who lucked into sanyaku for a tournament to be BTFO is not helpful to the hakuho argument.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:04:20 UTC No. 158824
>>158772
lol exactly. I wanted to add to my previous comment something like 'what would Wakanohana Kanji I say to his nephews'
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:05:22 UTC No. 158825
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:11:05 UTC No. 158827
>>158823
You don't even know what the fuck the original argument was even about, do you? KYS already, you mouth-breathing retard.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:18:03 UTC No. 158828
>>158825
Definitely. Though, Gonoyama's also been around quite a bit longer. Even if you only watched him in the sekitori divisions, that's 7 tournaments; you've been able to watch him make progress and refine his style against the best competition.
He's the same size as Takakeisho, and less than 10kg lighter, BTW, but he seems so much faster, probably because he's not carrying any injuries.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:32:54 UTC No. 158839
>>158827
>You don't even know what the fuck the original argument was even about, do you?
He literally said it in his post which you replied to, the original argument was responding to Konishiki's claim that Hakuho wouldn't make ozeki in the 90s.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 01:47:40 UTC No. 158888
>>158758
takanohana has more yusho than akebono and Musashimaru combined, he's smaller than Hakuho
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 02:19:59 UTC No. 158889
>>158888
He's three inches shorter but he fought at the same weight as Hakuho.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 02:25:47 UTC No. 158890
>>158888
You're not arguing with Konishiki. He most likely does not post here in this thread.
No one has agreed or disagreed with Konishiki, they have simply tried to clarify his statements for you and you started attacking them.
Relax.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 02:27:32 UTC No. 158891
>>158889
looks like he averaged heavier, like 5kg more than hak
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 02:37:47 UTC No. 158893
>>158890
>Konishiki posts on >>/xs//sumo/
Kek.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 02:40:18 UTC No. 158894
>>158890
it's not the same guy...
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 04:57:12 UTC No. 158902
>>158791
Heās good but his fans are annoying 99% of them only like him because of his coach and this very situational title run added fuel to the flame. Letās see who his real fans are when he gets thrown to the assassin and nephew.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 05:17:48 UTC No. 158908
>>158905
>>158906
Anon pls
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 05:20:03 UTC No. 158909
>>158908
i have trouble sometimes ok
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 08:46:29 UTC No. 158926
>Mitakeumi has no jun-yushos
Weird
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 11:16:42 UTC No. 158932
>>158839
>the original argument was
No, you fucking retard, the issue is that some fucktard claimed Hakuho was "too light" to compete in the 90's, and Mainoumi clearly demonstrated how fucking retarded that assertion was, is, and will always be.
Fuck back off to >>>>/reddddit/ or whatever other limp wristed faggot "sumo" forum you came from.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 11:26:29 UTC No. 158933
>>158932
>some fucktard
Konishiki?
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 12:02:10 UTC No. 158936
How much do you guys rate consistency in being injury free in the ozeki/yokozuna ranks?
As in, do you prefer Terunofuji, Takakeisho who will miss tons of basho but when they are healthy they fight for the title.
Or some 9-6 (for Ozeki) and 11-4 (for Yokozuna) merchant who never misses a basho?
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 12:24:45 UTC No. 158939
>>158936
Consistency/Longevity matters more in the ozeki rankings, I think. If the ozeki won cups, he'd have become a yokozuna.
An ozeki who consistently churns out high-level performances but doesn't win cups can be a very good ozeki.
For yokozuna, it's all about cups, though. If they're healthy, they should be getting cups. If they're not healthy, they can withdraw.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 12:36:06 UTC No. 158941
>>158932
>Hakuho was "too light" to compete in the
it was never that you fucking imbecile. go watch the youtube videos where the words come out of
konishiki's mouth. kys after confirming how dumb you are.
fucking muscle manlet fans lmao. 20 years from now you'll query the database and screaming enho every chance you get
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 12:51:28 UTC No. 158942
>>158941
Calm down, okay?
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:36:38 UTC No. 158948
Hakuho never had a problem with Ichinojo, Terunofuji or Takakeisho (who was not enormous but who is very powerful).
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:39:36 UTC No. 158949
>>158941
>muscle manlets
I didn't get to see Enho's rise and fall but I'm watching Midorifuji and Kiho. There seems to be a recurring pattern.
>Small, underweight, but disproportionally strong and very skilled rikishi enters sumo
>Rises quickly due to speed and skill disparities with opponents, who don't know what to do with him
>Rises to high maegashira
>Top-tier rikishi take about two tournaments to completely clock the smaller man's tricks and, at this level, are skilled enough to counter them, while he cannot adapt
>Small rikishi sinks to mid- to lower-maegashira as more rikishi figure him out
>Gets injured, falls to juryo, tries to come back but the injuries have robbed him of his speed and he gets ripped apart
>End of career
Does this seem about right?
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:52:39 UTC No. 158954
>>158949
Tobizaru is a fairly consistent upper maegashira/sanyaku dude. And he defeated Takakeisho and Terunofuji the last few tourneys who are the two best rikishi around.
Wakatakakage was a very consistent Sekiwake too.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:59:04 UTC No. 158956
>>158949
Yeah, that's about the whole of it.
>>158954
Tobizaru is still 300 lbs. He may be short but he's not dramatically underweight. Midorifuji is like 260, Kawazoe is 240. Enho, famously, has difficulty cracking 100kg (220 lbs).
Wakatakakage is light at 280 but is still 6' tall.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 15:47:53 UTC No. 158978
>>158893
Konishiki is the musclefag falseflagging from a dutch IP to increase the hype whenever a butterball wins
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:04:36 UTC No. 158985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp7
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:25:10 UTC No. 158991
>>158941
>it was never that you fucking imbecile.
It was exactly that you mouth breathing piece of shit retard. Fucking KYS already or fuck back off to >>>reddddit with your shitty takes on sumo.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:27:02 UTC No. 158992
>>158941
>this cancerous piece of shit
Die in a fire already.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:28:59 UTC No. 158993
>>158985
The fans always love little man vs big man fights.
A little context. Mainoumi (1.72m and rarely weighed more than 100kg) actually had a winning record against Konishiki (7-5). However, all of those matches occurred after the knee injury in 1993 that cost Konishiki his ozeki rank.
By the mid 90s, he weighed over 280kg, his knees were completely fucked, he had gout, and he just gradually slid down the banzuke. He started doing that thing where, once someone has him near the tarawa, he would obligingly step out to avoid risking being pushed off the dohyo entirely.
Seeing him in that state is always depressing. He was a terror in the mid to late 80s.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:37:00 UTC No. 158995
>>158991
>>158992
You're trying way too hard. I suggest you spend the next school year lurking so you know how to fit in better, then when you're finally old enough to post on 4chan you won't publicly shit your diapers like this.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:48:10 UTC No. 158997
>>158993
Wonder how Konishikis career would have fared if he stayed in 210 kg range
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 21:38:11 UTC No. 159047
>>159022
That's bants. I didn't know that existed (in a carton). It's definitely the same stuff.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 21:54:13 UTC No. 159051
>>158985
didn't konishiki perma gimp him by handing on his leg on their last match up?
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:25:11 UTC No. 159059
>>159051
It wasn't their last match but yeah. July '96, Mainoumi beat the ailing 275kg Konishikui with a shitatehineri, but Mainoumi's leg got trapped under Konishiki as they fell. I think it was his ankle that broke.
They pinned it and Mainoumi only actually missed a single tournament, but he fell down to juryo anyway. He came back up to makuuchi and was able to linger in the lower maegashira ranks for another six tournaments, but never got higher than maegashira 9.
By then he was already 30 so it was over and all that was left was to try to hold on to that salary for as long as he could.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:27:03 UTC No. 159061
>>159059
Here's the match in question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD8
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:38:23 UTC No. 159063
>>159059
>By then he was already 30 so it was over and
it wasn't like he was doing well before the injury with only 4/10 kk after losing komusubi. he may have fell to juryo anyway even without the injury. the injury letting other issues heal by taking a tournament off may have given let him get a bit of a performance boost.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 02:16:58 UTC No. 159085
>>159063
This kotonowaka fan does not know how statistics work
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 02:49:56 UTC No. 159093
Does anyone here know much about Sumo history? I'm reading about Tanikaze as research for something I'm working on, and this partt of his wiki article seems so weird:
>He briefly held the title of kanban-Åzeki (ēęæ大é¢), 'guest Åzeki'. Kanban-Åzeki were sumo wrestlers who were listed as Åzeki in the ranking simply because they were big and good-looking enough to briefly fill a gap when an official Åzeki was absent. The real talents were below the sekiwake rank, and the Åzeki rarely wrestled, and if they did, it was only against other kanban-Åzeki or lower-ranked rikishi. Most of the kanban-Åzeki disappeared after Tanikaze career peak. Tanikaze was recognised for his ability and had to relinquish his title, dropping to maegashira, from where he retained his san'yaku rank on merit.
So was Ozeki just a show rank, or only tyhe kanban-ozeki? Why did his ability being "recognized" mean he had to drop to maegashira, and why did he never rank up past sekiwake after that? Was there no real criteria for making Ozeki back then?
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 03:09:39 UTC No. 159095
>>159093
Back then, ozeki, sekiwake, and komusubi were just the 6 top wrestlers on any given banzuke. Promotion and demotion processes were extremely loose; an ozeki could show up and win two matches and fuck off the rest of the tournament and still keep their rank. As mentioned, the guest ozeki concept was a way to drum up extra support for a given tournament by going "hey we brought in this big huge guy to compete because one of the ozeki is away, come see how this guy does!" The extra rigidity and formalization of sumo as Japan modernized, and especially after the absorbing of Osaka sumo, was mostly by necessity as the banzuke was more stable, meaning guys were more likely to win a bunch of matches but be denied promotion because there was already sanyaku above them, meaning they needed special criteria for sekiwake and ozeki to allow for that, plus with yokozuna being its own separate rank that meant a theoretical 8 sanyaku instead of 6 (in practice more or less depending on the circumstances but you get the idea) and yadda yadda yadda.
If you ever read up on North American sports at around the same time, it seems like just as much of a lawless wasteland compared to now. More organizational stability leads to more formal rules so the process can be more "fair," and also to influence the process so the contests are more appealing to watch for spectators.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 03:34:16 UTC No. 159100
>>159085
i am not kotosexual. you being retardedly vague makes me have to guess you are talking about the 30 year thing. my point was thst he may have fell out of salary ranks earlier if he didn't get some extra recovery.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 04:03:12 UTC No. 159109
>>159095
I want to see a return of Guest Ozeki. Instead of bringing in some fat dude, bring in the university yokozuna or some other amateur sumotori.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 04:28:21 UTC No. 159110
>>159093
Kanban oozeki was basically a separate thing which confuses the history of sumo accomplishments. For example, Takeda Soukaku is often credited as having been a sumo wrestler who "reached the level of oozeki" which, of course, wasn't what happened.
Kanban oozeki were part of sumo when sumo's business model was something closer to a traveling spectacle: they would invite big or tall local men to take part in the basho and would introduce them as oozeki in the interest of drawing a crowd. Half the time, the kanban oozeki would not be asked to actually wrestle; they were being presented before the basho as eye candy so that people would pay to get in to see the matches.
You can often see this happening in the banzuke records: the tallest recorded man in the sumodb has almost no record of ever having wrestled, but is listed as being associated with Tokyo Sumo for five years. I don't know why he's an M9 and not an oozeki, but perhaps that's another forgotten quirk of history - perhaps, by that time, the public had caught on to oozeki being listed with outrageous height and weight stats.
Anyway, all that said - it isn't that oozeki wasn't recognized as a serious rank, but rather that sumo on the whole did not think of the banzuke in the way we do today. All of the top ranks were regularly used for kanban men and, in fact, that was often how they got their best performers. I encourage you to scroll to the bottom of the database's lists for oozeki, sekiwake and komusubi and look at the ones from the 1700s specifically:
https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi
The lists are rife with random men who started at sanyaku, who either shortly retired with little or no success, or who found sumo to be something they were particularly good at and continued on with the 'troupe' as it were.
cont.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 04:53:03 UTC No. 159112
>>159110
>Most of the kanban-Åzeki disappeared after Tanikaze career peak
This isn't really correct. The institution of kanban simply seems to have been dying down around that time, because there were still kanban ozeki, sekiwake etc into the early 1800s but at a considerably lower rate. See pic.
>Tanikaze was recognised for his ability and had to relinquish his title, dropping to maegashira
And I don't know what this is about. I suspect this is only the author's speculation, because he was immediately replaced by another kanban oozeki. Around this time, the banzuke would often change on external factors. Tanikaze was also demoted from komusubi to M1 after a 6-0-2 performance - and then repromoted from M1 to komusubi on a 6-0-2. I wouldn't put much faith in the idea of it being because he was starting to be taken seriously as a wrestler.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 06:05:37 UTC No. 159119
Children sumo
https://www.twitch.tv/midnightsumo
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 06:10:35 UTC No. 159121
Wanpaku Sumo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfT
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 06:13:49 UTC No. 159122
>>159113
Fucking Onokuni retard should just retire or die already.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 06:25:51 UTC No. 159123
Kotozakura was a pretty good ozeki never dropped rank for 5 years and won a couple titles before made Y
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 06:38:50 UTC No. 159125
>>159110
>look at the ones from the 1700s specifically:
Are those records even trustworthy? Based on how the rest of that sounds, it doesn't seem like they'd pay much attention to pay attention to archiving stuff properly.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 07:44:17 UTC No. 159131
>>159125
>Are those records even trustworthy?
Apparently, yes. It mattered who won and who lost, and the banzukes themselves are not the only source used, since people would write about these things. However, most banzuke/score information from before the 1700s is considered fraudulent.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 11:23:56 UTC No. 159145
>>159100
Since you need me to spell it out for you, I will because I love kotosexuals
Suppose someone is at the exact right rank. In other words there is a 50% chance that they will get a kachikoshi, and a 50% chance they will get a makekoshi. Across 10 tournaments, they should get 5 kachikoshi and 5 makekoshi, but thereās a decent chance theyāll get something other than that on pure chance alone.
Iām aware that each event isnāt wholly independent given that getting a makekoshi one tournament theoretically makes it easier to get a kachikoshi the next, but What Iām trying to illustrate is ā6 makekoshi out of ten tournamentsā is not good evidence of an imminent fall to juryo
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 12:25:16 UTC No. 159149
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 12:37:30 UTC No. 159153
>>159110
>>159112
Of note that the "honbasho" were not the only tournaments that sumo wrestlers participated in back then. The whole reason why they're called honbasho and ozumo is to differentiate from other local sumo tournaments. While those smaller tournaments don't have their results recorded, performance at them influences a wrestler's popularity and reputation, which in turn influences how they're ranked in the honbasho. Again, the formalization of ozumo in the 20th century caused most of those local tournaments to fall by the wayside.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 14:35:16 UTC No. 159163
>>159051
Yes. He broke his leg falling on it, and Mainoumi never had the same mobility after it healed.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 17:15:39 UTC No. 159188
>>159122
Remember when he had a massive meltdown about Hakuho going to the Olympics, and not even the YDC cared? good times
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:14:39 UTC No. 159209
>>159122
>>159188
remember when he almost killed one of his wrestlers
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:39:24 UTC No. 159213
>>159179
>The Seven Dadly Sins
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:55:47 UTC No. 159215
>>159209
Not once, but 2 times
also the fact that he never managed to produce a top division rikishi in over 20 years, just 3 juryo shitters
and that he was a pretty meh yokozuna, never getting beyond a 12-3 (except once) in his 3 year tenure as a yokozuna
and that everyone fucking hates him, but he is friends with Hakkaku so he's pretty much the second in command of the entire sport and has been for years now
Cant wait for him to fuck off
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:24:40 UTC No. 159219
>>154989
in a way, he is.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:49:58 UTC No. 159221
>>159215
>pretty meh yokozuna
meh is and understatement. if comparing modern yokozuna, soneone like Kotozakura would be a meh desu
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 21:41:24 UTC No. 159229
>>159215
this nigger is like 3rd worst yokozuna, big Hak should slap his shit for even mentioning him
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 23:10:26 UTC No. 159233
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 23:25:33 UTC No. 159236
>>159233
>Ånokuni has remained in the sumo world as an oyakata, or elder, and opened his own training stable, Shibatayama-beya in 1999. In March 2008 the stable produced its first sekitori, DaiyÅ«bu, but he spent only one tournament in jÅ«ryÅ and retired suddenly in June 2010 after falling out with his stablemaster. DaiyÅ«bu filed a lawsuit in September claiming that he was slapped and punched, and his topknot was cut off against his will.[4] Shibatayama was questioned by police over the alleged incidents.[5] The case was eventually settled out of court. In March 2016 Shibatayama and one of his wrestlers, Komanokuni, were ordered by the Tokyo District Court to pay 32.4 million yen (287,500 USD) in compensation to another former wrestler who the court ruled had faced "daily abuse" since joining in 2008 and had to undergo four surgeries for a detached retina, eventually losing sight in the eye in 2013.[6] Shibatayama appealed the ruling,[6] and in November 2016 a court-mediated confidential settlement was reached.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 23:26:52 UTC No. 159237
>>159236
Dude sounds based as fuck.
Anonymous at Sun, 30 Jul 2023 23:54:09 UTC No. 159239
>>159237
He was the last of the Showa-era fraud-yokozunas, has done absolutely nothing of value as a coach, and actually beating your guys that badly is baby dick energy. His only reason for existence is to eternally seethe against the GOAT until he finally dies.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:00:06 UTC No. 159241
>>159237
>is bitchmade
>loves the bitchmade
Reevaluate what your revere
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:45:19 UTC No. 159248
>>159145
>statistical analysis of a person perfect rank
are you an elo rating shil?
when i said he went 4/10 together with falling to juryo and retiring earlier as a possibility, you should have looked at his records during that time to understand why i said that. he was trending down the banzuke. simple as. his sumo.db page is even in the thread.
/sumo/ should know by now that you may have to drill into the full banzuke to understand why something is happening. i figured we were past surface level discussion on this dude.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:09:45 UTC No. 159252
>>159248
>he was trending down the banzuke
not really. From the 10 tournaments in question, he started at M8 and ended at M9. Losing one rung across 10 tournaments isn't much of a downtrend. He was on 2 wins at M11(including his win on Konishiki) before getting his shit snapped by the guy.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:41:08 UTC No. 159255
Takakeisho is literally the only person to get two "yusho or playoff loss" in a row from ozeki and not make yokozuna.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:49:34 UTC No. 159257
>>159252
M8e 8-7
M3w 4-11
M9e 6-9
M12w 9-6
M6e 5-10
2/5 kk
32/75
M11w 8-7
M6w 4-11
M15e 9-6
M6w 6-9
M9w 7-8
2/5 kk
34/75
While having more tournaments lower ranked and fighting worse opponents, he only managed two more win. Also considering the two you mentioned
>1 rung
1.5 rungs
his m8 ranked basho was kk @8-7 vs m9 ranked basho's mk @7ā8. Having two wins day 2 agaings an m11 and m8 doesn't really mean anything, thats why I didn't bother discussing that tournament
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:46:08 UTC No. 159272
>>159257
>Somehow missing the point and proving yourself wrong at the same time
How do kotonowaka fans do it
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:55:33 UTC No. 159287
>>159283
Hoshoryu looking like the wish.com version
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:01:23 UTC No. 159297
>>159255
>Takakeisho is literally the only person to get two "yusho or playoff loss" in a row from ozeki and not make yokozuna.
That's a neat factoid.
Terunofuji is the only person in the modern era to ever win two tournaments in a row and not be yokozuna the next tournament.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 13:19:52 UTC No. 159302
>>159297
>That's a neat factoid
it isn't really true. see >>159258
it'll be technically true if he retires without making yokozuna, but that really isn't the spirit of what that statement implies
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:01:00 UTC No. 159308
>>159302
I don't think that statement really implies anything. The sample size is too small and the wrestlers are all wildly different.
Wakanohana Kanji I's Y-JY occurred before the informal two-yusho-or-equivalent rule was even established. Promotions pre- and post-Futahaguro should be treated as different cases.
Wakanohana Masaru made yokozuna by winning two in a row as did Takanohana.
Post-Futahaguro's disgrace (starting with Asahifuji) the only yokozuna to have to go the Y-JY route are Terunofuji (whose case for promotion was self-evident), Kisenosato (whose case for promotion still causes controversy), and Kakyuryu (whose JY was a 14-1, an obvious yusho equivalent).
Takakeisho is probably never going to go 14-1 in his career, his sumo is simply too high-variance for that.
His 12-3 JYs are also not as impressive compared to Kisenosato's 12-3.
In Takakeisho's first he faced only 5 sanyaku, lost one, and won one by fusen. He faced only a single ozeki and no yokozuna.
In Takakeisho's second, he faced only 5 sanyaku again, and this time zero ozeki or yokozuna, losing in a playoff to an M9.
Kisenosato, on the other hand, faced 7 sanyaku, including 2 ozeki and 3 yokozuna and he beat them all, including the eventual tournament winner (Kakuryu's only loss that tournament).
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:08:26 UTC No. 159309
>>159258
>All from same stable
Kek
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:10:00 UTC No. 159310
>>159302
"Factoid" doesn't mean "a small piece of trivia", it means "something that is often presented as a fact, but isn't one". Of course, given the nature of language, it might end up getting the same treatment as "literally" and just become a synonym of "fact". Another sumo factoid might be the one about them retracting their testicles before putting a mawashi on, which I believe comes from the James Bond books.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:13:03 UTC No. 159311
>>159302
>it isn't really true
But it is. Both Wakanohanas and Takanohana all made yokozuna. Takakeisho has not.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:21:20 UTC No. 159314
>>159310
>"Factoid" doesn't mean "a small piece of trivia", it means "something that is often presented as a fact, but isn't one".
It, unfortunately, means both.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:43:45 UTC No. 159318
>>159308
What I took from the statement was that he felt like takakeisho was snubbed by not making yokozuna. Others have had that same tournament outcome and were denied as well. I agree that his y djy wasn't impressive enough to make it. I wasn't questioning why others made it and he didn't. Its pretty apparent when you look at the banzuke.
>>159311
Takakeisho has not retired yet. Anon said
>not make yokozuna
He did not specify when. Takakeisho can still make yokozuna like the other three. It won't be true until then, only speculation.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:50:21 UTC No. 159319
>>159318
Irrelevant. He has not made yokozuna. Therefore that is the only thing that matters to the statement.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 15:22:19 UTC No. 159320
I wasn't around during the /s/ threads. But how worried was everyone about Hakuoho being one injury away from perma Juryo?
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 15:34:14 UTC No. 159322
>>159320
>But how worried was everyone about Hakuoho being one injury away from perma Juryo?
Not really worried, but pretty much everyone acknowledged it wasn't a great sign that a 19-year old is already looking like Chiyonokuni just four basho into his career.
Personally, I looked at it more like a security blanket. The kid had a shoulder injury in high school and he's naturally going to be over-protective of it.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 15:48:41 UTC No. 159328
>>159319
retard
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:05:53 UTC No. 159334
holy fuck, someone start a new thread
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:10:42 UTC No. 159336
>>159334
We're still on page 5. We're waiting til we slip into Juryo.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:40:44 UTC No. 159339
>>159334
This board is slow. Only Chinese mobile game generals make a new thread on bump limit.
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:33:29 UTC No. 159348
>>159347
You get the impression he's just sticking around until Hakuho can get an elder share for him?
Anonymous at Mon, 31 Jul 2023 20:24:09 UTC No. 159364
>>159348
>he's just sticking around until Hakuho can get an elder share for him?
Pretty much. He's had so many injuries that I think he's decided to go ahead and call it a career. He did great for his size.
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 00:52:12 UTC No. 159393
>>159318
Yeah, he was not really snubbed and I can see him eventually becoming Yokozuna.
He probably has a few more Yokozuna runs and I think it is safe to say he will win a few more yushos. It is only a matter of two of them being back to back.
Either he makes Yokozuna or he breaks the record of most tournament wins by a career Ozeki.
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 01:08:01 UTC No. 159396
>>159393
I worry about the opposite.
If he spends so much time trying to preserve his rank, he'll never heal his injuries. He'll just be in a permanent kadoban cycle.
He's 26. If he took the time off to heal now, he'd be at ozeki in no time at all, but if he waited until he was 29 or something, then he'll be too old.
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 01:57:15 UTC No. 159407
>>159393
Takakeisho's body is on a crash course to surprise retirement, so he'd better do it soon
it's a shame that he's become so fragile because he's probably one of the most fundamentally skilled rikishi we've seen in the past decade
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 16:52:04 UTC No. 159492
>>159396
>If he took the time off to heal now, he'd be at ozeki in no time at all
Absolutely factually wrong, and the reason why you're wrong is because the rankings committee treats skipped tournaments the exact same as if you showed up all 15 days and lost every single bout on the clay. He's already missed one. Another and he's back in sekiwake needing 10 wins just to make rank, but that's only 4 months of healing. Skip a third basho and he's all the way down in mid or lower maegashira. Skip a fourth and he's all the way back down in juryo and it'll take him until he's 29 before he's back in joi-jin. Skip a fifth, not even a full year off at the second highest rank, and he's out of juryo completely and no longer has his salary. "Bro just take time off and heal" is not something anyone can do unless they're literally too injured to fight, or are a yokozuna.
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 17:39:09 UTC No. 159496
>Bakakeisho
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 17:45:31 UTC No. 159497
I pray for Wakatakakage's spirit
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 23:46:33 UTC No. 159530
>>159492
Terunofuji did it.
Anonymous at Tue, 1 Aug 2023 23:50:51 UTC No. 159531
>>159530
It took Terunofuji almost four full years to get back to ozeki after losing it, including a year and a half being without a salary at all. It was not "in no time at all."
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:01:37 UTC No. 159533
>>159531
To be fair, though, Terunofuji tried to fight the slide all the way to juryo before giving up and getting surgery.
If Takakeisho got surgery now, it would be more like Asanoyama's suspension.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:21:04 UTC No. 159538
>>159533
>If Takakeisho got surgery now, it would be more like Asanoyama's suspension.
Two years since Asanoyama lost ozeki and he's barely at the lower edge of joi-jin, again not "in no time at all."
The point is, rank plummets quickly for people who take time out when injured, always far less time than it takes for them to make it back up, and always too quickly for pulling out to be worthwhile unless they are literally incapable of wrestling anymore. It's not an option and never will be and people need to understand that.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:23:39 UTC No. 159539
>>159538
OK, so you believe Takakeisho can both heal his injuries and retain his rank?
It hasn't worked so far. He's just getting more an more injured.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:29:34 UTC No. 159542
>>159539
I'm explaining why it won't happen ding-dong, no wrestler is going to voluntarily give up ozeki rank, risk spending time unsalaried, and then have to fight their way back up for years just to get back to where they started, unless they are literally physically unable to compete like Terunofuji was, and even then 99% of wrestlers in Teru's position would just retire instead. If (when) Takakeisho loses ozeki, he'll do it losing on the clay. He'll be another Kotoshogiku or Tochinoshin who slowly declines until he's too injured to keep his salary on merit, and then he'll retire. Because that's still better for his financial future in the long run than voluntarily taking time off with no guarantee it'll be worth it.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:31:49 UTC No. 159543
>>159542
OK, well, then I guess we agree then that Takakeisho will never become yokozuna.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:34:55 UTC No. 159544
>>159543
We don't know.
He was 1 win away of making Yokozuna a few months ago.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:37:28 UTC No. 159545
>>159544
>He was 1 win away of making Yokozuna a few months ago.
All he had to do was beat an M9...couldn't manage that.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:48:44 UTC No. 159550
>>159545
Whenever someone misses an ozeki/yokozuna run, that means they lost a match they should have won. And Abi is a komosubi-tier rikishi, not exactly a mid maegashira.
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 00:53:31 UTC No. 159552
>>159550
I wonder how much hate mail Abi got for fucking up the hamster's run?
Anonymous at Wed, 2 Aug 2023 01:17:06 UTC No. 159558
>>159552
Abi's quite popular in Japan. Oddly enough, particularly among children. He's the world's largest 12-year old.
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 07:01:44 UTC No. 159753
https://youtu.be/zB2CtyRVsYE
šļø Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:00:32 UTC No. 159777
Time for our daily dose of Chris, anons
https://houtube.com/watch?v=-SVqDTi
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:02:04 UTC No. 159778
Time for our daily dose of Chris, anons
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-SVqDTi
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:03:47 UTC No. 159779
>>159778
Schizo Chris or got some nice footage Chris?
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:05:01 UTC No. 159780
>>159778
Chris sounds sort of like Murray if he got stuck in puberty and never became a real man.
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:49:25 UTC No. 159811
neph vs kiho few years back
https://twitter.com/SarahLovesSumo/
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:17:58 UTC No. 159814
>>159779
I prefer schizo headcanon chris
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:39:21 UTC No. 159817
>>159811
Kiho salty
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:45:30 UTC No. 159826
Is there anywhere I can buy a physical copy of the July banzuke?
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:47:37 UTC No. 159827
>>159826
Yeah, fly to Japan and get one in person.
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:51:42 UTC No. 159828
>>159826
https://bigsumofan.com/collections/
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:23:03 UTC No. 159830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf3
Rare event where wrestlers sitting ringside calls for mono-ii
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 22:29:46 UTC No. 159851
>>159846
That one Teru is wearing is badass.
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 22:35:56 UTC No. 159854
>>159846
Teru booking a trip to flavortown
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 22:55:07 UTC No. 159856
>>159778
Not on board with the Shishi dick riding but he didn't start this one with "soooo", so I will give it a watch.
Anonymous at Fri, 4 Aug 2023 05:09:44 UTC No. 159895
>>159846
Mongolian menace... It never ends....
Anonymous at Fri, 4 Aug 2023 05:11:53 UTC No. 159896
>>159895
Japan needs another typhoon to stop mongolia again but in rikishi form.
Anonymous at Fri, 4 Aug 2023 05:17:00 UTC No. 159897
>>159896
We need japanese yokozuna called Yamatoarashi
Anonymous at Fri, 4 Aug 2023 12:15:10 UTC No. 159919
>It's a "Hiro learns how to do foot stamps" episode
Anonymous at Sat, 5 Aug 2023 12:58:07 UTC No. 160080
The upper division needs more heels
Anonymous at Sat, 5 Aug 2023 13:20:06 UTC No. 160081
>>160080
Abi is enough.
Anonymous at Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:10:24 UTC No. 160097
>>159891
He was invited. Takakeisho couldn't make it to the shoot, since the studio was up a small flight of stairs.
Anonymous at Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:02:52 UTC No. 160103
>>160097
Any cases of an active rikish dying of a heart attack?
Anonymous at Sun, 6 Aug 2023 03:55:02 UTC No. 160126
>>160104
>young active rikishi dies of heart attack
another vax victim
Anonymous at Sun, 6 Aug 2023 04:13:16 UTC No. 160130
>>160126
>died 1990
>died 2003
you retards are just as dumb as the quad vax crowd
Anonymous at Sun, 6 Aug 2023 06:47:34 UTC No. 160150
How long should kotoshoho take off to help his knee? I think he could use another run through the ranks it would be good for him.
Anonymous at Sun, 6 Aug 2023 09:20:55 UTC No. 160159
>>160150
Is it his knee or his brain?
Anonymous at Sun, 6 Aug 2023 15:47:03 UTC No. 160200
>>160130
I'm pretty sure the guy you're replying to was joking
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:24:15 UTC No. 160426
>>160325
I feel like staredowns are goofy if they happen outside of combat sports and even then if they don't happen immediately before the match.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:08:21 UTC No. 160436
>>160426
this. it feels silly when they try to play the tough guy role and its some skinny dude and a fat guy
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 19:28:52 UTC No. 160479
Any1 got info on how wakatakakage surgery/recovery is going?
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 19:30:37 UTC No. 160481
How many of you practice sumo instead vs just watching?
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:55:42 UTC No. 160511
>>160481
Unless you live in a stable, do morning practice every day, and exclusively eat chanko, you're not practicing sumo.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:58:03 UTC No. 160513
>>160511
>unless you sacrifice your life for a hobby, you're not really doing that hobby
based retard
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:58:44 UTC No. 160514
>>160513
If sumo is a hobby then you're not practising sumo.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:59:27 UTC No. 160515
>>160481
I was in a club during uni but full time work precludes me from participating in it nowadays so I just watch
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:09:30 UTC No. 160519
>>160513
>hobby
You're not practicing sumo
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:12:20 UTC No. 160520
>>160511
>sumo wrestlers exclusively eat chanko
lol
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:27:29 UTC No. 160523
>>160520
You know, at first I included "and foodstuffs that were donated by fans" but I removed that part because I thought it sounded too awkward
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Aug 2023 23:55:09 UTC No. 160529
>>160523
Since you're probably the guy who posted the initial definition, I'll reply to you.
First, to practice sumo you must live in a stable. Sekitori often don't live in their stable. they train there, but they live somewhere else. It's one of the great privilege of being a sekitori, I've heard. I wouldn't know.
Second, the way you're saying "practice" seems to imply that you're interpreting the definition of "practice" as in the sumo lifestyle, but given that this is a forum of people who are mostly not japanese, it's likely the person you replied to is using the other definition of practice, as in "train at something to get better at it." Sure, it's impossible to practice sumo in the sense of the lifestyle, but to do the activity itself isn't exactly impossible. It's a sport for kids all the way from preschool through college in Japan. Amateur tournaments for all ages are a big thing in Japan. Those kids practice sumo in the sense that they train to get better, but they're not immersed in the stable lifestyle.
Third, I'm pretty sure it's well established that even the guys in ozumo aren't eating exclusively chanko and fan donations at this point. For one, alcohol consumption is extremely common, and it's somewhat of an arbitrary distinction to say that because it's a liquid, what you said holds. Second, cheap junk food is popular among sumo wrestlers for gaining weight since it shouldn't come as a surprise that fast weight gain is hard on a diet of meat, rice, vegetables, noodles, and soup.
>verification not required
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 00:23:14 UTC No. 160531
>>160529
Man, you expect retards like me to actually read that shit? I'm just going to pretend you're seething because that's easier for my retarded ass.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 00:27:24 UTC No. 160532
>>160529
>definition of "practice" as in the sumo lifestyle
This is the only definition that applies to sumo. Even children can imitate the movements they see on the dohyo, but they are merely playing.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 00:39:20 UTC No. 160534
>>160532
repeating a false claim doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you try and say it
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 00:43:42 UTC No. 160535
Oh god I started an argument in the comfy sumo general
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 01:46:39 UTC No. 160547
>>160481
I do the salt pondering thing that Hokutofuji does before each set on the gym, does that count?
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 01:54:46 UTC No. 160548
>>160547
Only if you import genuine Japanese sumo salt, certified by a yobidashi to have been soaked in sumotori sweat and crushed under the weight of hundreds of sunotori over the years.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 02:48:45 UTC No. 160552
>>160479
his injury is pretty easy to fix. american football see plenty of them a year, so there is a good knowledge base. we won't know how well he deals with the recovery till he starts fight in tournaments again
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 04:07:05 UTC No. 160570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:10:31 UTC No. 160657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87d
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 16:57:37 UTC No. 160670
>>160657
>sacrificing so much mobility for bulk
There's a compromise most of the best rikishi make between total bulk and mobility, and Konishiki never found it...
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:16:55 UTC No. 160675
>>160554
Who's the baldie?
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:34:24 UTC No. 160682
>>160681
>Where do I find a lady who'll look at my sweaty crack that way?
Anywhere you find women...
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:44:46 UTC No. 160683
>>160679
Fuck.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 17:54:23 UTC No. 160685
>>160679
(Stolen from Natto Sumo's discord)
obizaru participated today for the first time in the Makuuchi moshi-ai. After having wrestled four matches, he was invited for butsukari with Yokozuna Terunofuji. This lasted for 8 minutes and he started to look dizzy. Lastly he mustered his strength and pushed the whole way through, but then he dropped off the dohyo, went into a fetal position and could not move.
After 3 minutes, the present oyakata realized something was not right and asked Hokuseiho and Atamifuji to carry him away. According to contacts, he seemed to have suffered from dehydration, and couldn't stand on his own. He was then placed in a chair and took some fluids, but collapsed again and couldn't move. 10 minutes later, an ambulance was called and he was carried away in a stretcher, and evacuated to a nearby hospital.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 18:33:52 UTC No. 160699
>>160685
monkeh oh no
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:22:34 UTC No. 160732
>>160675
some baseball player.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:32:39 UTC No. 160734
>>160685
Punishment from the sumo gods for not tying his mawashi properly the whole tournament
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 21:15:25 UTC No. 160741
>>160685
I hope he's ok
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 21:37:48 UTC No. 160744
>>160734
>not tying his mawashi properly
That's not a thing and you're retarded for thinking it is
https://photos.imageevent.com/yakyu
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 22:13:56 UTC No. 160746
>image limit 150 on /xs/
For what purpose? I hate Hiro so much.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:04:03 UTC No. 160752
>>160744
>mawashi ok against everyone else
>up to his shoulders against ura and terunofuji
coincidence? i think not
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:24:03 UTC No. 160754
>>160752
You're allowed to do that, it's all part of sumo
yokozuna Terukuni, who was in that photo I linked, was particularly famous for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaI
Go to 0:31, 0:41 & 0:47 here. Both of these guys were ozeki at the time, and yokozuna the following year
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:28:04 UTC No. 160755
>>160686
>>160699
>>160734
>>160741
>>160743
Update:
the paper spoke to Hidenoyama oyakata (former ozeki Kotoshogiku), who was the one who "came to his aid" (I presume this means he looked after him backstage and possibly was the one to decide to call an ambulance). He said "(Tobi) was probably suffering from heatstroke and hyperventilated. He's fine. He'll be back tomorrow, I think."
About 2 hours after being taken to hospital in the ambulance, Tobizaru was released and returned to the venue. However, he did not participate in the dohyo-iri or any matches, and instead just rested and recuperated. When asked if he was suffering from heatstroke, he said "I don't think so", but then did not give any further details. He did, however, emphasize that he was safe now.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:28:29 UTC No. 160756
>>160754
and there isn't anything against terunofuji killing monkey during butsukari.
its like a henka. legal, but cheap and dishonorable. you deserve anything that comes your way because of it.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:38:43 UTC No. 160757
>>160756
Terunofuji gonna pick him up and smash him on a boulder
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:41:35 UTC No. 160758
>>160756
>historically constant trend which was regularly put to use by multiple yokozuna
>legal, but cheap and dishonorable
It's nothing like henka.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Aug 2023 23:46:17 UTC No. 160759
>>160755
Remember to hydrate.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 00:00:36 UTC No. 160762
>>160758
you just want to see a sumo wrestler lose his mawashi in the ring you turbofaggot.
there are actual rules against it coming undone. it is way more dishonorable than henka.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 00:34:26 UTC No. 160766
>>160762
>there are actual rules against it coming undone.
The rule is that you lose if your cock and balls come out. It says nothing about the mawashi coming undone, and the last instance of it happening (20+ years ago) only involved them slipping out to the side.
The other 'rule' states that a gyoji should, if and only if an opportunity presents itself, attempt to retie the *knot* of the mawashi if he judges it to have so unraveled that it could fall off. Nothing about the tightness of the belt or the quality of the knot; just a supplementary suggestion meant to curtail matches ending by disqualification. The gyoji is specifically recognized in the rule as having done nothing wrong if the rikishi are actively fighting when a mawashi comes apart or genitals slip out.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 01:26:29 UTC No. 160768
>>160554
The majority of yokozuna weren't even 140kg, especially before foreign bloatlords joined
Sumo isn't about how much of a fat fuck you can be, or else it would be dominated by americans
Stop using sumo to justify your obesity, it's pathetic
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 01:46:38 UTC No. 160771
>>160766
>The other 'rule' states that a gyoji should, if and only if an opportunity presents itself, attempt to retie the *knot* of the mawashi if he judges it to have so unraveled that it could fall off.
why would you tell me the very rules i was citing?
all i said was rules against it coming undone. i wasn't talking about cock and balls.
you first thought was cock and balls though. just admit you fat fuck fetish homo
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 06:55:39 UTC No. 160789
>>160752
It's common for rikishi fighting belt fighters to wear their mawashi loose exactly so they can't get the same leverage they would if it was tight.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 07:32:56 UTC No. 160794
>>160771
>why would you tell me the very rules i was citing? all i said was rules against it coming undone.
>rules against it coming undone.
I'm explaining to you that there is no such rule. There is a rule against taking your cock out, which incidentally also addresses losing your mawashi. It isn't even against the rules to be manually holding up the last layer of silk to cover yourself after the rest has come undone and fallen to the ground. You would need to fail at doing that and have your balls hang out in order to be called out and lose, even though you no longer had a mawashi.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 10:19:37 UTC No. 160806
>>160768
>Sumo isn't about how much of a fat fuck you can be
>The majority of yokozuna weren't even 140kg, especially before foreign bloatlords joined
302 of 811 (37.2%) of maegashira rikishi since 1920 have been 140 kg or heavier, a minority.
https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.a
51 of 101 (50.5%) of ozeki + yokozuna since 1920 have been 140 kg or heavier, a majority.
https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.a
This would suggest that being bigger and heavier has been an advantage.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 12:17:46 UTC No. 160816
>>160806
Itās more complicated than that.
Yokozuna existed before the year 1920. Sure, the formalization of Ozumo in the form of the NSK made it more official, but ozumo and yokozuna existed before then, and we have records of it. Iām not talking about the folk legends, either, moreso the guys who fought in the latter half of the 19th and beginning of 20th centuries. Theyāre tried and true rikishi, even if some anon suggests otherwise.
Second, the advantage mostly comes in the form of being taller and thus heavier, and able to hold more lean mass as a result. This might seem insignificant(and rikishi have been getting fatter when controlling for height) but it means getting as fat as possible is unlikely to lead to as much success as simply being taller, which is something most people canāt do. Thereās a somewhat clear point of negative marginal returns that someone like Takakeisho has probably passed, and someone like Hoshoryu has either reached or is close to reaching.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 12:47:17 UTC No. 160821
>>160816
>muh 1850s 60kg rikishi
everyone was smaller then anon when you had to work 16 hours a day to have enough rice for winter. we are past that, and the average size of rikishi should reflect that. japan didn't start to resemble modern japan until after McArthur and the US pushed them foward in the 1950s to 1970s. comparing the size between the eras is dumb like its meaningful is dumb
>taller
muscle manlets cant into yokozuna
>takakeisho past his size limit
takakeisho would have been a shitty sumo wrestler if he didn't get to his size.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:24:47 UTC No. 160824
>>160821
Most of top wrestlers in that era had weights well over 100kg; getting enough food probably wasnāt a huge concern for them.
>comparing size between eras is dumb
I agree. The initial point I was making is weight is a dumb standard by which to judge wrestlers, especially in a sport like sumo. One of the things that makes sumo enjoyable is the fact that thereās a huge level of variability in rikishi size.
>muscle manlets canāt into yokozuna
Yeah, being short makes sumo harder
>takakeisho would have been a shitty sumo wrestler if he didnāt get to his size
Sure, it depends on what you mean by shitty and what alternate size weāre talking. I believe heās skilled enough that he would find some way to make being 10kg lighter work and maintain his overall fighting strength. Ironically, itās his weight thatās a core cause of why he canāt quite seem to stay on the dohyo for more than a couple tournaments in a row nowadays.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:14:17 UTC No. 160840
>>160547
Based, Hokutofuji has the best pre-match rituals
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:16:17 UTC No. 160842
>>160481
sometimes when I'm walking around my apartment I slap my belly like they do before a match.
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:19:40 UTC No. 160845
>>160570
>hokutofuji has been pondering the salt since college
>midorifuji popping off on young takakeisho
it's absolutely bizarre seeing takakeisho in particular looking like something resembling a human being instead of a cannonball made of flesh
>max image limit reached
Anonymous at Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:33:33 UTC No. 160848
New thread because we're at image limit:
>>160847
>>160847
>>160847