🧵 /sumo/ - Zak edition
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 20:04:48 UTC No. 213766
>Schedule:
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/yea
>Banzuke:
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.
>All the sumo links and how to watch live:
https://rentry.org/uwbgc88d
previous thread >>208824
Zak Defeats Onosato to win Meiji Jingu Autumn Grand Festival Sumo Title
https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/spo
The sport of sumo, which holds such an eminent place in traditional Japanese culture, also has a strong connection to Shintoism.
On the day before the start of a grand tournament, the head referee, dressed in the robes of a Shinto priest, conducts a Shinto ritual. The yokozuna performs his entrance ceremony wearing a thick, braided rope around his waist that resembles the sacred “shimenawa” rope displayed during the New Year holidays and on other occasions.
Against such a historic background, ritual matches known as “hono sumo” are held nationwide in cooperation with major shrines.
Tokyo’s Meiji Jingu shrine has a particularly deep relationship with the Japan Sumo Association. When a wrestler achieves promotion to the elite rank of yokozuna, it is Meiji Jingu where a special ceremony is held to mark the occasion. Later, the new yokozuna famously performs his first ring-entering ceremony in the plaza in front of the shrine’s main hall.
Every year after the Autumn Grand Tournament, an event called the “All-Japan Sumo Wrestlers Competition” is held at Tokyo’s Ryogoku Kokugikan in celebration of the Meiji Jingu Autumn Grand Festival. The event has a long history, earning the title of sumo’s oldest tournament in Japan.
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 20:05:05 UTC No. 213767
The event was launched in 1925 during the Taisho era (1912-1926). It has been canceled a number of times due to war or other reasons, so this year’s tournament on Sept. 30 was the 81st. Although translated as “competition,” the title in Japanese uses the character for “samurai” (which is also the “shi” in “rikishi,” or sumo wrestler) to imply that the participants are more than just ordinary athletes, giving it a deeper meaning.
At the inaugural tournament, the 27th yokozuna Tochigiyama, who had just retired, made a special appearance. It is said that he defeated the active yokozuna to win the title, adding an anecdote to sumo history that would seem unthinkable today.
Looking at a list of past champions, we see some of the biggest names in the sport’s history, from Futabayama to Taiho, from Kitanoumi to Chiyonofuji. Adding his name to such prestigious company was the champion of this year’s tournament, ozeki Kotozakura. With the absence of injured yokozuna Terunofuji, Kotozakura was the highest-ranked wrestler in the field, and lived up to the billing by defeating newly promoted ozeki Onosato in the final.
Ironically, Kotozakura’s grandfather — a yokozuna who was the original Kotozakura — never won the tournament. As the current Kotozakura sported the armlet with a chrysanthemum crest awarded to the champion on his right bicep, he gleefully commented, “I’m happy I could add the name of Kotozakura [to the champions’ list].”
The win came in the wake of a mediocre 8-7 record at the Autumn tourney. “I hope this will lead to success at the next grand tournament,” he said.
I hope Kotozakura gained a sense of the sacredness created by the long history of the event, and comes back strong at the Kyushu Grand Tournament.
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 21:55:34 UTC No. 213775
>>213766
cute!
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 21:57:28 UTC No. 213776
>>213766
Congratulations [spoiler]on those GREAT new york boobs![/spoiler]
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:20:42 UTC No. 213783
>>213767
>At the inaugural tournament, the 27th yokozuna Tochigiyama, who had just retired, made a special appearance. It is said that he defeated the active yokozuna to win the title, adding an anecdote to sumo history that would seem unthinkable today.
He did this again in an equivalent tournament 6 years later. Man was a monster.
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:24:08 UTC No. 213785
>>213766
The gods are on kotozakura's side
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:09:49 UTC No. 213802
>>213801
I need her to crush me.
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:38:34 UTC No. 213809
>>213801
she should stop with the chanko for a while...
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 15:49:16 UTC No. 213819
just stumbled upon this 2009 documentary
https://www.cultureunplugged.com/do
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 16:55:09 UTC No. 213822
>>213803
>stops wearing dresses
>still carries a purse
why
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 18:43:50 UTC No. 213826
>>213822
They're not dresses, they're aprons.
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:39:04 UTC No. 213833
>>213822
thats a $4000 wearable wallet
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:53:08 UTC No. 213837
>>213833
You should work in marketing.
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:41:07 UTC No. 213843
>>213833
Hokuseihou begins sweating.
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 22:54:10 UTC No. 213848
The wrestlers of Futagoyama stable are being closely covered on TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKQ
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 02:11:35 UTC No. 213860
>>213819
>>213844
At the end of this it says he quit but he is still wrestling how did this work.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 02:16:55 UTC No. 213861
>>213860
His stablemaster didn't officially submit retirement paperwork and he was convinced into coming back. Happens often with newcomers.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 02:46:41 UTC No. 213866
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 04:14:42 UTC No. 213871
>>213844
Akiseyama sleeping through sex ed dreaming about food.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 04:58:29 UTC No. 213874
did the jsa take down their youtube?
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 11:25:22 UTC No. 213887
>>213874
https://www.youtube.com/@sumo-video
?
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:23:38 UTC No. 213898
Weird energy in the latest Futagoyama video
compared to Kise, who were all having a good time
all Kise needs to do now is add proper subtitles
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 17:36:14 UTC No. 213903
>>213898
Something's going down at Futagoyama-beya. There have been too many strange occurrences of late, none of which would be significant on their own, but all of them together is deeply suspicious. I'm expecting poor performance at the November basho and then an announcement of some kind afterwards.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:11:33 UTC No. 213907
>>213903
>strange occurrences
Like what? Missing karaage? Mysterious wallet gluings in the night?
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:19:52 UTC No. 213909
/sumo/ - Parasocial Conspiracy Theorists
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:55:33 UTC No. 213913
>>213898
>>213903
They had one of their best basho last time. I think you guys are reading into things that aren’t there. I expect another good basho.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:38:54 UTC No. 213918
>>213907
>Removal of the comment section on the videos
>Multiple members of the stable getting severely reduced camera time
>Unexplained change to the length of the delay in video releases, after a year or more of regular schedule
If I had to guess, I'd say that Futagoyama is getting an official documentary on Japanese TV soon, and it's been quite a distraction as they try to keep it a surprise.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 23:01:26 UTC No. 213922
>>213887
I could not find this shit for the life of me thank you
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 00:34:29 UTC No. 213928
>>213913
Boss Futagoyama might've done something pretty smart making them all famous on joutube, puts a lot of added pressure on them to perform in the ring. I wonder if that was intentional or just lucky
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 01:16:30 UTC No. 213929
>>213918
I have noticed tsukioka, keiga and souga haven’t gotten that much airtime lately … especially tsukioka.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:01:27 UTC No. 213936
>>213918
It's pretty common for japanese companies to not allow youtube comments, you see this especially in the gaming industry where even their music has comments disabled. I'd say it's more of an outlier for them to even allow them to begin with.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 08:12:15 UTC No. 213945
>>213918
>>213936
Futagoyama IG always posts a pic related to the latest video and people keep commenting on it.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:06:58 UTC No. 213947
>>213936
The cameraman for Futagoyama's channel also does camera work for Masahiro Higashide, who I gather is a relatively famous actor in Japan. Masahiro lives on a mountain and hunts bears and boars and the like, and then cooks them for Youtube in a similar format to Futagoyama's channel. A while back he came to the stable and cooked a meal for the boys in a crossover episode. Anyway, Masahiro's channel "Japanese hunter's meal" has just as many subscribers, a similar release schedule, and it still has the comments enabled as of the most recent video. This means that the decision to allow comments and community engagement was deliberate, which makes it odd that it should suddenly be removed. I'm not aware of any specific incident that sparked the change, so I must assume that the choice to do so is a result of something we (as viewers) haven't been made aware of.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:01:26 UTC No. 213953
>>213947
There have always been at least a few "wow, koga sucks" comments in english on their videos so I doubt that's the reason. It's probably because japanese comments keep telling oyakata to lose weight or he's going to die.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 13:32:03 UTC No. 213958
>>213953
>japanese comments keep telling oyakata to lose weight or he's going to die
kek
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 13:35:34 UTC No. 213960
I would just like to say that I want to plap Futagoyama Okami. No way oyakata can satisfy her.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 15:33:01 UTC No. 213973
>>213960
She's got a whole stable full of high-test professional athletes, I'm sure she's satisfied.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:02:12 UTC No. 213979
>>213960
>>213973
1 in 5 japanese cheated in their life, so she's probably having some on the side as well lol
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:05:00 UTC No. 213980
>>213973
I can see Koga and Kikuchi as prime affair material.
>>213979
That someone, me.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:15:23 UTC No. 213982
>Onosato coming into the next basho on the back of Ozeki partying and now an illness as well
Onobros...
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:39:51 UTC No. 213983
How long until the banzuke again?
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:45:15 UTC No. 213984
>>213982
sure, but who is his competition? ozekis who deliver 8-7s, diabetic yokozuna who can't walk, fragile chicken legged sissies who skip leg day…
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:06:34 UTC No. 213989
>>213984
It's time for another stupid yusho where the san'yaku get humiliated by a ranker.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:11:10 UTC No. 213991
>>213984
>>213989
Wakatakakage is going to yusho. Screenshot this.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:35:59 UTC No. 213993
>>213989
i hope that ranker will be Takerufuji...that is if he gets bumped back into makuuchi.
>>213983
28th
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:47:49 UTC No. 213994
>>213991
he was the beneficiary of a weak, outside the joi schedule last time, he has no chance this time
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:07:18 UTC No. 213996
>>213994
Do you think Wakatakakage is new or something? He's already proven he can hang with the joi and he shit on Onosato already.
>>213984
All the guys who beat him back in July I guess, the last time he had his little "B-BUT HE JUST WON A YUSHO" excuse all prepped.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:20:59 UTC No. 213997
>>213991
I'd have more belief in Wakamotoharu
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 20:07:06 UTC No. 214000
>>213909
>WHAT? PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING A TOPIC??? CONSPIRACY!!!
kys
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:27:02 UTC No. 214008
>>213974
He's a pretty smart fighter but he'd get knocked tf out in rizin
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:35:58 UTC No. 214017
>>213984
Kirishima yusho and return to ozeki.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 23:27:26 UTC No. 214024
>>213984
Roga yusho
playoff vs Ura
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 00:01:24 UTC No. 214029
>>214000
someone not appearing in youtube videos as often as they used to is not a topic within the scope of "sumo"
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:33:55 UTC No. 214042
>>214024
I like Roga but he has a long way to go before he is sniffing a yusho. If he can’t get the belt he gets blown out.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 02:26:29 UTC No. 214049
>>214040
I'll have to find out who this was. Can't recognize the face.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:01:19 UTC No. 214055
>>214050
Okay, this looks to have been an ad campaign which ran exclusively in the Philippines, so there's only one online source which has these images: a Philippine advertising history facebook group which can't be accessed without an account. If that's where you got these, I have to assume the people in that group scanned them in.
I can't find a fucking thing in Japanese sources, not even a passing mention.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:58:16 UTC No. 214058
>>214040
the aerodynamic shape bit really gets me good
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:29:16 UTC No. 214074
>>213994
>>213997
You’re right the former sekiwake who beat onosucko without henkaing like a bitch is just a flash in the pan rank and filer.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:44:06 UTC No. 214075
>>214074
I don't have a dog in this race, nor do I hate Wankatakakage or Onoshitto, but it's worth remembering that some rikishi just have terrible matchups with each other. Dominating one man, however good he is, doesn't automatically translate to an overall domination of the division. Personally, I think WTK's career will peak at sekiwake, but I'm always happy to see someone exceed my expectations.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:04:14 UTC No. 214083
>>214074
I wouldnt look for a repeat of that. Wakatakakage held on for dear life in that Onosato bout and his tenacity won out. It's not a match he wins even 3 times out of 10. Once, maybe.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:11:05 UTC No. 214086
>>214083
>Once, maybe.
No "maybe", I can tell you it definitely happened. Abi beat him too.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:43:03 UTC No. 214091
>>214086
Yes, I know it happened. That's why I said it would be a repeat if it happened again- because, incredibly, I know that it happened and I phrased my language to contain an obvious implication of that fact, because I knew it happened.
And saying Wakatakakage would win 1 in 10 matches means exactly that. That if he faced Onosato 10 times, he would lose 9 of them. That was my point. You saw the one. I said don't look for a repeat of that. Because, again, I know that it happened.
God damn dude.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:17:13 UTC No. 214111
>>214091
God, I love this phase of the between-basho period. You just don't get arguments like this in week 2 or week 5.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 19:51:20 UTC No. 214117
>>214091
Wakatakakage will beat onosucko again this basho and yusho. When this happens I expect you to post an apology to WTK and admit you are a gayboy for doubting him.
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 07:33:56 UTC No. 214159
Do tokoyama in stables without sekitori still practice the oichomage on them or is that forbidden by the JSA?
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:29 UTC No. 214194
>>214159
I would assume they practice. It's not like there are many rules of decorum to what goes on inside a heya.
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 16:25:37 UTC No. 214197
>>214194
They still go to other stables and do the hair of sekitori, the stable is just where they live.
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:03:37 UTC No. 214208
>>214159
I wouldn't think that you're allowed to even think about doing one unless you're being supervised by a higher-ranked tokoyama.
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 22:24:44 UTC No. 214213
>>214197
But, logically, there's no incentive to punish a tokoyama nor are they public-facing enough for it to matter what they do in private. The NSK couldn't become worried that a tokoyama is getting a big head, or anything comparable to a wrestler.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 00:14:05 UTC No. 214220
Is buysumotickets dot com the ideal vendor to buy tickets from? comparing their prices to japanese sites they seem to be charging 20% on top, why are sumo tickets so expensive
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 00:34:25 UTC No. 214222
>>214220
Buying sumo tickets from the main website isn't even hard. Just use Google translate to choose the seat you want. When you land in Japan, go to any 7/11 and stammer out "ozumo ticketo" to the cashier and they'll print out your ticket. ezpz
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 00:36:33 UTC No. 214223
>>214220
There's a person on NattoSumo Discord who can allegedly get you cheaper tickets than BuySumoTickets.
Honestly buying sumo tickets from the main website isn't even hard. Just use Google translate to choose the seat you want. When you land in Japan, go to any 7/11 and stammer out "ozumo ticketo" to the cashier and they'll print out your ticket. ezpz
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 00:40:56 UTC No. 214224
>>214223
>Honestly buying sumo tickets from the main website isn't even hard
Maybe I just had trouble because I was trying to buy 3, but I had a hell of a lot of issues with the site not loading and error pages and stuff. The tickets sell really fast.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 01:02:10 UTC No. 214225
>>214128
Boring ass wrestler
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:55:19 UTC No. 214232
>>214225
>Boring ass wrestler
Kirishima is a yotsu man in maybe the most push-focused era of sumo ever. You're only thinking of him as boring because so many of our recent greats have been yotsu specialists.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 17:17:52 UTC No. 214264
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:28:38 UTC No. 214276
>>214264
Watching maesabaki also reinforces what I'm saying though.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 05:46:59 UTC No. 214290
Asahikuni is dead.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:00:38 UTC No. 214294
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:58:23 UTC No. 214307
>>214131
Henka practice
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:53:05 UTC No. 214322
>>214300
>kicking the chest
>throwing punches
Wow how did Rikidozan get away with such blatant kinjite?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:03:41 UTC No. 214324
Teru is OUT for november
Absentee Yokozuna
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:05:25 UTC No. 214327
>>214324
We already knew that two months ago, keep up. It's going to keep being like this until he gets his elder stock.
/sp/ references in /film/ at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:16:08 UTC No. 214333
>>214327
Isegahama retires in July, Teru will probably coast until then. Maybe he will branch out and open his own stable, who knows?
I think he still has one more yusho in him, though
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:40:56 UTC No. 214337
>>214333
That's what the assumption is, but there's always the possibility Isegahama could hand the stable off to someone else and stay on as a consultant for up to 5 more years. Don't forget Hakuho is with them now.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:09:03 UTC No. 214344
>>214300
>>214322
>not even sumo
>STILL have the milk man referee
I can't escape him.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 21:52:34 UTC No. 214385
>>214333
>Isegahama retires in July, Teru will probably coast until then
What incentive does Isegahama have to stay on until July if Teru is the intended successor? How possibly could he benefit, or would this be because of the Hakuhou complications?
If Asahifuji were to go the sanyo route, he would technically no longer be 'in charge' of Isegahamabeya. Maybe there's some internal scramble to find a place for Miyagino and the lads because the NSK doesn't want him to be officially answering to Teru.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:05:06 UTC No. 214388
There's no chance Hakuho takes over the Isegahama name. He's already Miyagino, they'll let him reestablish that stable soon enough. Maybe even when Isegahama retires so him and Teru and kind of starting on an even foot. That would be nice.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:06:54 UTC No. 214389
>>214388
*are kind of
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:10:20 UTC No. 214391
>>214385
>or would this be because of the Hakuhou complications?
If Isegahama hands Teru the name and stable then it'd cause a situation where Teru is the stablemaster with three senior elders as his subordinates, and they don't want to just hand the stable entirely over to Hakuho because then it'd cause a situation where Hakuho inherits one of the largest and most powerful stables after being forcibly stripped of his stablemaster rights. Waiting until July is partially to see if they can justify letting Hakuho branch out again; if not then Isegahama might go to Homarefuji with Teru getting Tateyama, at least temporarily until either the Hakuho situation is resolved or Teru is able to start his own stable.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:35:30 UTC No. 214396
>>214391
I don't think Hakuho will have to wait until July. I think they'll announce the reopening of Miyagino-beya after the March basho concludes, to restart the stable with their New Year. Terunofuji shouldn't wait until July to retire, either, he needs to lose half his body weight before he truly cripples himself, and every training session is an unacceptable risk. I'm astonished that he didn't retire immediately after his 10th yusho.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:49:22 UTC No. 214397
>>214396
Yokozuna without a kabu only have a 5 year grace period, and chances are he knows how much of a clusterfuck it was for Kakuryu to get his. Without hard guarantees, he doesn't want that 5 year period to start earlier than it needs to.
One other consideration to keep in mind is Isegahama is the title stable for the entire ichimon. It's a very prestigious name, and there's an outside possibility of it going to someone completely outside the stable itself, even as a stock swap, instead of going to either Tateyama or a newly retired Terunofuji. Keep in mind Asahifuji was Ajigawa for 14 years until he took the more prestigious Isegahama name.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:56:07 UTC No. 214398
>>214397
Miyabiyama next Isegahama
Teru takes over the youtube channel
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:15:09 UTC No. 214401
>>214391
Seniority as an oyakata or not, Homarefuji is younger than Hakuhou.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:15:47 UTC No. 214402
>>214401
Means nothing, he has seniority as an elder.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:28:59 UTC No. 214416
>>214402
I'm talking about the riji seeing this as a problem, not the general oyakata hierarchy.
They're not stupid enough to try to present an oyakata who 1. is younger than Hakuhou and 2. has never run a heya before as being capable of inheriting the task of showing Hakuhou the ropes of running a heya.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 12:05:51 UTC No. 214427
>>214419
I miss the sleepy memes
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:51:21 UTC No. 214488
>>214419
>I bought a mawashi
Your height and weight?
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 15:25:08 UTC No. 214510
>>214495
Kino
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:28:59 UTC No. 214524
>>214495
Did they...? you know...
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 22:15:44 UTC No. 214540
>>214524
I can't confirm or deny this, but I happen to know that certain stables have baths that are large enough for up to four wrestlers at a time.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 11:16:50 UTC No. 214560
Just witnessed koga win a practice bout for the first time. I eagerly await his run for the belt.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:51:51 UTC No. 214561
>>214560
Boy's looking chunky, maybe all he needs is ten or twenty more kilos to start climbing the banzuke.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 17:40:21 UTC No. 214592
>futagoyama chanko isn't just pork belly and chicken bouillon anymore
lol I bet this has something to do with the comments
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 18:21:06 UTC No. 214593
>Nishiiwa beya trolled massively by anonymous
the latest chris video is lolsome
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:49:20 UTC No. 214600
>>214593
http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/top
fuck off retard
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 21:00:40 UTC No. 214605
November banzuke is here!
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBa
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 22:00:44 UTC No. 214607
>>214592
kotakiyama is the best cook and he always used decent amount of vegetables. I think it's Denuma and Soga who are really meat-only.
also, the latest video is after aki basho obviously, but they disabled comments only 2 weeks ago.
>>214605
Takeru's back! with my boy Asakoryu in makuuchi, i'm getting quite excited for Kyushu now
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 22:29:17 UTC No. 214610
>>214605
>>214607
>Takeru's back
>Asakoryu in Makuuchi
>Hakuoho decently high in juryo so there's a good chance he'll cameo
Shaping up to be an exciting basho
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 22:38:36 UTC No. 214612
>>214605
>Oshoumi doesn't go down despite a 6-9 at J14w
lucky bastard
/sp/ references in /film/ at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 23:03:35 UTC No. 214613
>>214605
I'm surprised they chose Shodai for Komusubi, especially after he lost to Oho on day 15. Pretty weird.
Also bottom Makuuchi looking fun to watch.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 23:07:42 UTC No. 214614
>>214607
The issue with the cooking is the same as the issue with the stable as a whole, everyone there would be considered one of the kids at a more established stable, and there simply aren't any aging veterans to show them how it's done.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 23:08:50 UTC No. 214615
>>214613
Part of the plan, simple as.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:11:38 UTC No. 214624
>>214605
>chicken-legs back on makuuchi
Oh boy, there goes the quality of the threads down the drain.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:22:43 UTC No. 214625
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:33:46 UTC No. 214626
>>214625
not our fault the dude refuses to work on his lower body. he has a long established pattern of lower body injuries because he refuses to put the effort required into working on that aspect of his body.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:35:29 UTC No. 214627
>>214626
And yet he destroyed Shishi in the last basho
How do you explain that
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 01:50:03 UTC No. 214630
>>214629
>mita goes to the top of the Futagoyama pecking order in one basho
lol
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:37:24 UTC No. 214635
>>214633
>that other dude in the other thread saying Tsukioka is out, waiting for retirement
>it's actually Nobehara
It's LITERALLY over for me, he is my favourite futabro...
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 03:05:04 UTC No. 214638
>>214633
>born 2002
this nigga looks like hes 35
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 04:06:51 UTC No. 214640
>>214633
its nobeharover
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 04:10:22 UTC No. 214642
>>214621
He was actually OK with the lower makuuchi scrubs last time, it was Asanoyama who did him in.
So he should last until sometime in week 2 again & get injured when and if he ends up facing top tier opposition. Asanoyama was pretty substantial competition last March.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 04:11:57 UTC No. 214643
>>214625
No. But because people over-hype him as the next Yokozuna when in reality he won't even make it to Ozeki within a year from now.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 04:32:25 UTC No. 214644
>>214643
stop posting
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:10:09 UTC No. 214647
>>214643
I'll take that bet
When you lose you post dick itt
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:17:11 UTC No. 214648
>>214633
he's probably in love lol; some anon saw him and some girl on a date on a random stream.
>>214635
that was me and Nobedog said he's having fun and he also gained some weight agian. It's still tsukioka, he even lost to Koga lol
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 07:23:42 UTC No. 214650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUg
1987 TV special explaining sumo to the Japanese public, starring the Nichidai Sumo Club.
Features a few minutes of footage of the rikishi doing weight training, sled training etc near the end. The main TV host mentions that seeing it surprised him and that it was different to what he'd seen before, and the Nichidai coach host talks about how they've been getting ideas and methods from American football - but he still thinks sumo's body weight training is all you really need to succeed.
If nothing else, this is an interesting time capsule of changing eras.
Tangential: the coach was later arrested for stealing millions of dollars and was an obvious yakuza affiliate.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 07:41:43 UTC No. 214652
>>214605
Takerufuji didn't convince the first time around. I think his yuusho was too easy. I am excited to see him again, and hopefully he will convert me to the Takeru camp.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:02:31 UTC No. 214653
>>214650
not sure why you didn't mention coach's name directly, it's hidetoshi tanaka, but nice find.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 12:10:07 UTC No. 214659
>>214652
Even an easy yusho is hard, especially on your debut in the top division. I personally think he doesn't have the frame to last a long time at Ozeki, but I do think he'll get there relatively quickly.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:59:31 UTC No. 214662
>>214613
The banzuke committee hates Takatoriki. It will take extra effort from Oho to make sanyaku.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:14:31 UTC No. 214673
when and where can i purchase the new banzuke?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:50:14 UTC No. 214675
>>214662
He's the grandson of Taiho, theres no way they keep him out of sanyaku
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:46:27 UTC No. 214678
>>214662
>The banzuke committee hates Takatoriki. It will take extra effort from Oho to make sanyaku.
Takatoriki claimed that and shut down his YT channel, but that's just a cope.
Based on historical precedent, Shodai was always going to get the rank.
Mathematically, Shodai, Wakatakakage, and Oho all had a claim on the rank.
WTK is the first eliminated because he's not in the joi. Shodai and Oho would be equal in terms of rank and record, but Shodai is on the east side, which is first tiebreaker.
Head-to-head records only come into play in the division-exchange matches.
Yes, it sucks for us Oho fans, but he's not getting screwed as hard as it seems.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:59:35 UTC No. 214679
>>214678
>Shodai and Oho would be equal in terms of rank and record, but Shodai is on the east side
Oho was M2, Shodai was M4.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:06:36 UTC No. 214683
>>214678
He did not shut down his youtube channel however
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:10:15 UTC No. 214684
>>214675
I don't think they'll do that. Any promotion decisions that are close enough will go against him, that's all. As long as dad is blabbing on youtube anyway.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:16:27 UTC No. 214685
>>214683
Nevermind, didn't see his latest video until just now. Doesn't seem like he's made up his mind entirely but sad, I liked his stories.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 19:09:06 UTC No. 214692
>>213939
looks like a shot in an artsy thriller film, zooming in from a wide shot to reveal the villain was in the crowd the entire time, staring knowingly at the audience
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:35:28 UTC No. 214705
>>214679
>rank AND record
Assume that an 8-7 KK translates to a 1 rank promotion, and a 9-6 to a 2 rank promotion, etcetera. If I am M6 and get a 9-6, I have an equal rank and record combination as someone who is M5 and gets an 8-7. If I instead get 10-5, I should always end up ahead of the M5 on the next banzuke. Obviously the process is messier than this in reality, but that's the general guideline that the banzuke makers are following. In this case, Shodai had a lower rank but a better record, which balanced out and made him theoretically tied with Oho.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:49:56 UTC No. 214707
>>214705
AND means that both his rank AND record are better, but his rank isn't. You needed the word "combined" to make it unambiguous.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:30:46 UTC No. 214710
Does anyone here know of a satellite channel that airs live sumo to Europe? I know the NHK technically has one, but I believe it's the same as their online stream with very little sumo content. I was hoping someone would air the sekitori divisions at least.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:40:12 UTC No. 214713
>>214710
Just watch the truncated Natto ones
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 23:52:19 UTC No. 214719
>>214713
I know of many ways to watch sumo, both live and recapped. I was just hoping the satellite my building has installed would be of some use as there basically aren't any high quality live streams at all. It's all just Abema thru VPN then thru Twitch or YT and by the time it gets to me it's ridiculously pixelated.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 23:57:25 UTC No. 214720
>>214719
Only true and honest nihonjin are allowed to watch sumo in high quality. It's your own fault for being a foreign devil.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 02:23:07 UTC No. 214736
>>214693
This should be the image for the first /sp/ thread when the Kyushu honbasho starts.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 04:12:01 UTC No. 214742
Zakbros dare I say it’s OUR TIME? The Kami are with zak this time around after winning the shrine tournament.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 05:30:26 UTC No. 214750
>>214742
Sorry but Zak is going 8-7. Takerufuji will yusho and Onosato will JY.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 05:57:15 UTC No. 214752
>Hokuseiho banished
>Battle Hamster dead
it just won't feel right, you know?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:25:38 UTC No. 214773
The only hope for the forces of good this basho are the waka bros and skinny legs. Quatro Tetons and horseshitryu are washed and will continue to become more and more irrelevant in the coming year eventually being demoted. Onosuckos reign of terror must be stopped.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:32:00 UTC No. 214775
>>214773
Shishi and Takerufuji will stun everyone during their bout on day 4, when a misstep causes them to assume the position and fuse together into Takerushi. Our new rikishi will combine the best of both men, Shishi's elephantine thighs with Takerufuji's speed and technique.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 14:30:23 UTC No. 214783
Which one of you weebs has the translation for the kise YouTube video where they give their chanko recipe. Of course it’s the only one not translated from moon runes to English.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 15:34:42 UTC No. 214787
I feel like Sumo would have more mass (lol) appeal if they reworked the rules to avoid the high body fat meta. Yeah sumochads know why they do it, but to normies they just look fat.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 15:39:13 UTC No. 214788
>shishi is getting trained by a woman
lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:24:54 UTC No. 214796
>>214787
Appealing to normies is a heat haze and going down that road leads only to the destruction of everything that made the thing what it was
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:38:40 UTC No. 214797
>>214787
The bloatlord meta has nothing to do with the rules. There wasn't a rule change that suddenly made it more viable. It's simply a consequence of easier access to high-calorie foods over the last 40 to 50 years. Japanese men are larger on average than they used to be, and so are sumo wrestlers. If it had been possible to send your tsukebito down to McDonalds to buy you twenty burgers a hundred years ago, there would have been more bloatlords a hundred years ago.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:10:20 UTC No. 214807
>>214796
I just think sumo would be more appreciated if it wasn’t known as “the fat guy sport”
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:28:35 UTC No. 214810
>>214775
Yeah? Well... prepare yourself to EL HERMANO of Onosato: Dosato.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:48:11 UTC No. 214811
>>214807
The opinions of fools are worth nothing, anon.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 22:16:44 UTC No. 214815
>>214807
Sumo is "the fat guy sport" because of its unique rules compared to other grappling sports; you cannot take that away without taking away sumo's uniqueness. Just look at how much judo had to change in order to be accepted as an international Olympic sport.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:12:06 UTC No. 214817
>>214742
The humbling of KotozACKura fans has been incredibly satisfying.
>next yokozuna!
>*chokes*
>well he could still get the playoff
>*chokes*
>ok he didn't win but he did good; they should promote him when he inevitably wins the next one
>*chokes*
>t-this year
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:14:28 UTC No. 214818
>>214815
Straight waffle
How does being a fat retard make it unique again? You act like the Shinto traditions will disappear if they make a weight limit.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:15:52 UTC No. 214819
>>214818
What next, weight classes? Fuck that nonsense. Sumo is great because it doesn't have lame shit like that.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:17:24 UTC No. 214821
>>214819
Didn’t answer how how a weight limit would take away traditions
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:21:50 UTC No. 214822
>>214818
It's not just the Shinto rituals, it's the rules of the sport compared to other forms of grappling. Only the strictest variant of bokh is the same as sumo with not being allowed to touch the ground above the ankle (other variants allow touching with the knees or even a single hand, and Chinese Mongolian bokh is the same as wrestling where a fall only counts if their shoulder blades are on the ground) and bokh has no force-out victories. Sumo's victory conditions are unlike any other sport, and that's why sumo wrestlers look the way they do. You cannot force them to look differently without changing sumo's rules so they're more similar to other sports, robbing sumo's uniqueness.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:21:56 UTC No. 214823
>>214821
Because it’s tradition retard. Why do libtards always want to change everything.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:28:52 UTC No. 214825
>>214817
>the humbling of kotozakura fans
Yeah all 3 of them needed to be humbled koto gets no flowers from anyone he can go 9-0 and he still wouldn’t get talked about until the final day.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:33:39 UTC No. 214827
>>214823
Ask yourself why you think someone arguing with you about sumo wrestling on 4chan has to be one of THEM.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:34:23 UTC No. 214828
>>214822
Brother you a straight waffling there is nothing unique about being a fat retard the only thing unique about sumo is how fat you can get and push your opponent out. It’s not even grappling at this point it’s fat retards grappling each other and hoping they don’t fall.
>>214823
>I-Its tradition!
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:40:49 UTC No. 214829
>>214827
>them
A K*rean?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:17 UTC No. 214830
>>214821
>how a weight limit would take away traditions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2N
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tex
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:46:00 UTC No. 214831
>>214821
>>214818
Shinto window dressing aside, the true spirit of sumo is "the baddest dude wins." None of this gay pound-for-pound 'akshually the 110 pound guy would beat the 280 pound guy if they were hypothetically the same size because of magic' bullshit.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:53:53 UTC No. 214835
>>214829
I'm saying there's no ontological enemy here for you to fight. Chill out and chat.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:59:39 UTC No. 214836
>>214830
Not watching this shit how does a weight limit change the rules and the Shinto traditions of sumo.
>>214831
>The baddest dude
You can’t find out who the baddest dude whenever people are abusing the rules or lack there for of. A lot of fat fuck pusher thrusters would probably never even make it to paid divisions if it weren’t for the weight crutch.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:19:26 UTC No. 214840
>>214836
If you can't beat a fat fuck then you're not a bad enough dude, simple as.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:26:26 UTC No. 214842
>>214840
The fat fuck has zero downside in a match if you touch the ground or go out and the ring is super small so the fat fuck just has to walk out the majority of wins show this.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:02:38 UTC No. 214845
>>214842
So the fat fuck is better than the skinny twink manlet, obviously.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:08:50 UTC No. 214847
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:21:09 UTC No. 214848
>>214831
Mainoumi's elbow was down first
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:21:12 UTC No. 214849
>>214787
All the other answers are solid and judging by the subsequent discussion you're apparently a huge fag but for my part I just want to point out that seeing two immensely obese men smash into each other at high speed is half the enjoyment of the sport.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:33:08 UTC No. 214851
>>214840
The fat is a crutch that actually reduces the skill level of the sport. Matches would be way better if there wasn't 300lbs of lard dragging them down. It's no different than strapping weights on, except way unhealthier. Also it actually fucking sucks to maintain that weight, especially if you are exercising as much as these guys do. Historical Sumo wrestlers weren't fat either, for obvious reasons.
And if you're all about finding "the baddest dude", the fat fuck meta is more advantageous to short guys than taller, bigger guys.
Just saying that there's a problem when the average rikishi makes powershitters look anorexic.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:34:09 UTC No. 214852
>>214849
>you're apparently a huge fag
says the guy who loves "seeing two immensely obese men smash"
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:34:33 UTC No. 214853
>>214851
Sounds like a skill issue. Have you tried not being Dutch? That might help.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:41:17 UTC No. 214855
Goddamn this thread went to shit
I'm outta here, fuck this
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:55:31 UTC No. 214857
>ITT: anons advocate for changes to a traditional sport regulated by one of the most stagnant organizations in the world
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 02:17:26 UTC No. 214859
>>214836
>>214851
>whenever people are abusing the rules or lack there for of
>Historical Sumo wrestlers weren't fat either, for obvious reasons
A weight class tourist fag who doesn't know the history of the sport he claims to like. Many such cases.
>The musclebound body of Tochigiyama on the right ought to be taken as a model by today's modern rikishi, whereas Wakahitachi seen on the left has a body like that of Umegatani - one that is too heavy for him and which produces many weaknesses. Indeed his is a body of a bygone age but, with a great deal of effort, it is all too easy to imagine he might redeem himself yet.
-"Heroic World", Summer issue of 1920, special sumo photography edition
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 02:23:53 UTC No. 214861
>>214859
Cherry picking
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 02:26:22 UTC No. 214862
Even feudal art consistently depicted sumo wrestlers as bloatlords. Having big bulky fat guys winning sumo championships was a great way for feudal lords to show off how much food their domains could grow, which was still an important source of wealth in the feudal days when the shogun controlled international trade.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 03:00:44 UTC No. 214865
>>214862
This is actually an important point, we have hard data showing that average sumo wrestler weight dropped significantly following the demise of the feudal system. With a lack of backing from daimyo and rich samurai, sumo wrestlers had to scramble for support, everyone became more centralized in Tokyo and to a lesser extent Osaka until they merged, and weights were lowered due to less abundance of wealth and the food that came with it. Average wrestler mass bottomed out just before WW1, and while it steadily improved after WW1 it didn't fully recover to feudal levels until the 80s bubble.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 03:56:38 UTC No. 214867
>>214865
While I agree with the general sentiment, I would be cautious to take any primary source from the 1700s at face value, especially considering that the fantastic recorded heights and weights usually survived because they were public-facing. The theory is a lot like WWE heights and weights: you get people to show up by billing your talent as absolute giants.
I wouldn't be surprised if feudal rikishi were fat as fuck, but it seems implausible that there were any Konishikis.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 03:59:16 UTC No. 214868
Instead of female sumo they should make Keijo real
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:12:01 UTC No. 214870
>>214867
>it seems implausible that there were any Konishikis
Now THAT'S cherry picking. We're not talking abut one freak Ozeki, but rikishi in general.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:31:20 UTC No. 214871
Does anyone here practice/train sumo? Just curious since I’ve never heard of a sumo gym in the USA.
>>214858
Yeah ok buddy get in line with the Capoeira and Kung Fu fags
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:32:29 UTC No. 214872
>>214871
Tourist.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:34:49 UTC No. 214874
>>214871
>Just curious since I’ve never heard of a sumo gym in the USA.
https://www.ussumo.org/map
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:40:40 UTC No. 214875
>>214872
To this thread? Yeah lol
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 06:02:58 UTC No. 214877
>>214870
Well, you equated feudal levels with the "80s bubble", it seemed fair to invoke the focal point of the fatness controversy in the 80s. Here are Takamiyama and Asashio.
All I'm saying is to treat historical ad copy with the same skepticism as you treat modern ad copy.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 06:50:04 UTC No. 214882
>>214877
If there's one thing sumo needs it's more sideburns like that.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 07:34:10 UTC No. 214885
>>214877
I wasn't that Anon, and you're not wrong about that, but my point stands. You don't have to be Konishiki to be fat. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 10:05:33 UTC No. 214886
>>214885
>You don't have to be Konishiki to be fat.
You're right, but that wasn't what we were discussing, since even Hak and Kak are fat by conventional standards. The current wave of the fatness controversy in sumo really started with Konishiki and hasn't gone away like previous ones did.
For example, there wasn't much bitching in the 60s about Taihou being fat, despite him usually being one of the heaviest men in sumo.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 10:15:08 UTC No. 214887
>>214877
Even if something's exaggerated to sell more tickets, you have to have something to base your exaggeration on. It would take some serious work to bulk a wrestler up to 350-450 pounds in feudal Japan, but feudal Japan was exactly the sort of batshit insane place led by batshit insane warlords where something like that would be possible. Whether the bloatlords of yore were anywhere near as good at fighting as the steroid-assisted bloatlords of today is another matter.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 10:22:26 UTC No. 214888
>>214886
So you were discussing who then? Dewanojo? No one else is that fat.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 13:23:42 UTC No. 214895
>>214867
>>214877
Konishiki was an outlier among outliers, I was talking about general averages in the top division.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 15:49:21 UTC No. 214907
Everyone that wants weightclasses in the sport of sumo is a DYEL twink faggot lusting for more Chiyonofuj types to fantasize to while they fuck themselves.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 16:43:37 UTC No. 214911
>>214907
No need to project this hard.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:21:57 UTC No. 214915
>>214867
I agree in spirit but as others have said, that's what we would say about Hakuho if he wrestled in any other era.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 22:46:26 UTC No. 214945
>>214882
>If there's one thing sumo needs it's more sideburns like that.
I thought that went out the window with the facial hair ban, but my memory was wrong. Apparently no one wants to wear them.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:03:39 UTC No. 214947
>>214945
Let's be realistic - how many of them can even grow proper sideburns?
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:39:31 UTC No. 214951
>>214888
>>214895
>So you were discussing who then? Dewanojo?
In 1988, there were 25 rikishi over 140 kg in makuuchi. In 1938, there were 2.
There was not such a lack of food in Japan at what was nearing the peak size of the Japanese empire as to not allow the average rikishi to reach what would have been the average size of a well-fed athlete 200 years earlier. The size of those rikishi 200 years earlier, then, would not have been the 200 cm 160 kg business you find in old primary sources.
That's what I was trying to convey; I meant to use Konishiki as hyperbole.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:43:07 UTC No. 214952
>>214951
>There was not such a lack of food in Japan
The question wasn't lack of food, the question was ability of sumo wrestlers to acquire it. Where are more resources going in 1938, sumo wrestlers or the military? For that matter, where are most able-bodied men going, sumo or the military? Even with sumo being imperial propaganda at the time, all they needed was for the sanyaku, especially yokozuna, to look good, while the rank and file maegashira don't need as much attention because they would want the yokozuna to look strong.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:54:47 UTC No. 214953
>>214951
>Even with sumo being imperial propaganda at the time, all they needed was for the sanyaku, especially yokozuna, to look good
And those sanyaku still weighed 30 kg less than Maruyama? 197 cm, 161 kg?
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 00:00:11 UTC No. 214956
>>214953
I don't know why you're pretending to be shocked that the bulk of the resources in a wartime empire are going to the imperial war.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 00:20:20 UTC No. 214957
>>214956
I picked 38 for the clean difference of 50 years. My original comp was 1928 - which still has only 2 above 140 kg, and a slightly lower average weight overall.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 00:44:30 UTC No. 214959
>>214752
Don't worry, Shishi is in Makuuchi to fulfill the role
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:44:07 UTC No. 214963
>>214959
I can't wait for the Roga matchup
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 08:09:30 UTC No. 214978
>>214907
Or actual grappling enjoyers that would love to see technique instead of fat fucks having shoving matches.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 08:24:19 UTC No. 214980
>>214978
If you're a technique enjoyer, why aren't you watching judo or greco-roman or freestyle instead of the designated fat fuck sport?
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:23:06 UTC No. 214982
>>214980
https://youtu.be/BPrNpwMZQnI
Because I enjoy the tradition more than the sport it could be so much better.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:47:21 UTC No. 214984
>>214978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiX
No reason we can't have technical grappling matches instead of shoving matches. Has nothing to do with weight. Pushing is simply easier to teach and learn.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:52:05 UTC No. 214985
>>214978
Shoving is a technique.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 13:58:52 UTC No. 214995
>>214982
>I don't like the sport, why don't they change it to accomodate me?
How would you feel making this argument about anything else?
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 14:35:30 UTC No. 215000
>>214978
Technique entails being able to handle the pressure of some huge faggot assailing you with blows and land the throw anyway. This is exactly why sumo is superior to judo and the other wrasslefag disciplines.
t. Actual Grappling Enjoyer
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:45:55 UTC No. 215003
>>214985
Onosato has 3 gino-shos and shoving is pretty much his whole game outside of the occasional defensive slapdown
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 17:12:08 UTC No. 215007
If I wanted to see grappling I would just watch gay porn
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 17:33:56 UTC No. 215008
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BPrNpwM
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 18:21:52 UTC No. 215011
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 18:30:01 UTC No. 215012
>>215011
Its good enough to post twice
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 22:51:12 UTC No. 215023
>>215000
>withstanding blows from a 200 kg fat ass is technique!
False flagging fat retard that knows nothing about grappling
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:06:41 UTC No. 215025
>>214984
Now post the other 90% of the field that’s a fat fuck pusher thruster
Let’s be real if you defend the weight issue you just want to self insert as a sumo because you’re fat and think I COULD DO THAT.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:12:55 UTC No. 215027
>>215023
Strikes and shoves being involved absolutely does affect technique, hence why MMA, combat sambo, sanda, shootboxing, and kudo are things. Being able to use strikes/shoves to set up your own throw or using the opponent's strikes to provide momentum to counter someone is a skill in and of itself.
>>215025
Being fat isn't a substitute for skill. You won't find a single yokozuna that can't push/shove AND wrestle.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:57:58 UTC No. 215031
>>215025
>as a sumo
Tourist detected. You aren't part of this community and your opinion means nothing. Kindly fuck off to another thread, maybe you'll make some friends there.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 00:25:51 UTC No. 215035
>>215025
>Now post the other 90% of the field that’s a fat fuck pusher thruster
The entire point of my post was that the most skilled and most successful rikishi of the last twenty years are all grapplers. If grapplers beat everyone else, why is the argument being made that sumo's *rules* turn the sport into retarded shoving matches? The oyakata are doing that, and they are doing it because it is easy.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 00:31:07 UTC No. 215037
>>215034
>heavier than terunofuji
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 00:39:23 UTC No. 215038
>>215036
No. Got to get big to be huge to be strong. Simple As.
>>215037
>1kg off of mogging all of makuuchi
time to bulk
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 01:12:24 UTC No. 215040
>>215038
you are 388lbs you are going to fucking die
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 01:43:40 UTC No. 215042
>>215034
lol fat biiitch!
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:02:56 UTC No. 215044
If the rikishi didn't find being fat to be effective, they wouldn't do it. Certainly it's unattractive but that is irrelevant. There are sports with sex appeal but sumo was never one of them.
Function dictates form, right?
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:05:48 UTC No. 215045
>>215040
We're all going to fucking die, Anon.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:07:35 UTC No. 215046
>>215034
I dunno how people do this. The moment I got even close to 300 I completely turned my life around.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:10:30 UTC No. 215047
>>215034
I'm less than half your weight, but I'm also not the guy arguing for weight classes.
The appeal to top level sports is seeing humans in peak physical condition doing peak physical feats, and sumo is a combination of that and traditional ritual. No need to change what isn't broken.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 04:35:16 UTC No. 215058
>>215044
then why all the female fans? you just don't know what girls really like.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 06:09:18 UTC No. 215063
>>214862
The art is more of an exaggeration. Imagine your average Japanese man was a scrawny 5' 8" tall 120 lbs dude that was poor and survives on nothing but rice and raw fish. Then you compare that to massive 6' 2" 300 lbs beasts that do nothing but eat, sleep, and train all day. Of course the art is going to take some artistic liberties.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 06:16:07 UTC No. 215064
>>215063
Source: your ass
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 11:06:14 UTC No. 215072
>>215063
>Imagine your average Japanese man was a scrawny 5' 8" tall
uhh gotta take 6 inches off that
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 11:34:31 UTC No. 215074
>>215063
>>215067
You realize this doesn't contradict the actual point being made, which was that professional sumo wrestlers have always been fat right? The art style just exaggerates reality, it wouldn't depict them as fat if they weren't already fat.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 16:00:27 UTC No. 215080
>>215068
he found neck
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 17:45:20 UTC No. 215084
>>215068
All according to Keikkaku...
>pretend to retire
>recover injuries and wounds
>end the bulk and start the cut
>build your perfect sumo body
>secretly train with the ghost of Chiyonofuji
>the month before the ceremony to cut your topknot say that you are returning to sumo
>by then Onosato would have already been choked and injured
>the YC needs a replacement for biotechnofuji so they let you return to your Sekiwake position
>Chris sumo makes a 5 hour video screaming that this is not legal or fair and that Hakuho never had those opportunities
>Takakeisho wins all the tournaments of the year with zensho yusho
>Yokozuna
Those of you who doubted still have time to return to the Hamster ship...
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 21:08:13 UTC No. 215091
>>215074
>this doesn't contradict the actual point being made, which was that professional sumo wrestlers have always been fat
No one here has actually argued against that.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 23:09:35 UTC No. 215097
Hiro went the entirety of October without posting any new SUMO PRIME TIME, the last thing he posted was his summary of the aki basho. Seems like he must've given up on the project
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 23:15:56 UTC No. 215098
>>215097
Chris would never.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 23:16:08 UTC No. 215099
>>215097
All he had to do was ask Futagoyama to do a collab with him. It would have been pure kino.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 00:37:16 UTC No. 215102
>>215047
No one is arguing weight classes retard
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 02:40:57 UTC No. 215106
>>215099
There is very little effort needed to produce his little 10 minute videos, 1 cameraman and maybe half an hour of filming for the ones he does with Sazanami. He could bang out several a week easily if he wanted to, so he clearly doesn't want to. He is probably green around the gills with envy of how much more attention Futagoyama's content gets than his does, maybe thats why he gave up.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 02:47:54 UTC No. 215107
>>215099
>>215106
>Futagoyama
Never watched Sumo Food. What is the appeal of those jobbers?
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 02:49:53 UTC No. 215108
>>215104
Promoted? To what? I thought he was retired?
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 02:59:57 UTC No. 215109
>>215108
retirement is kind of a promotion
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 03:03:11 UTC No. 215112
>>215108
promoted to spectator
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 12:44:54 UTC No. 215124
>>215107
The practice footage is neat.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 14:37:27 UTC No. 215127
Any news on Kazuma if he is joining or still healing from his knee injury?
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 14:43:57 UTC No. 215128
>>215107
Parasocial relationship. They're idols now.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 15:09:02 UTC No. 215130
>>215128
if my good friend koga heard you say that shit he would defend my honour
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 15:27:00 UTC No. 215133
>>215107
Same appeal as any slice of life media, I suppose. They're cool guys with decent personalities who are also professionals in a sport I enjoy. Particularly since sumo is so redolent with tradition, even outside the dohyo, I consider the life of a sumo wrestler to be sumo as well.
Most other athletes are like normal people outside their sport but not rikishi.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 16:08:11 UTC No. 215134
>>215130
Every group of cute idols should have the one with thick eyebrows, it's iconic at this point.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 18:20:26 UTC No. 215141
>Tickets for 15 days of the Kyushu Tournament were sold out. This was the first time in 28 years, since 1996 (Heisei 8).
It was also the first time in 28 years that tickets for all 90 days of the six tournaments in a year were sold out.
The makuuchi division winners in 1996, in order from January, were Takanohana, Takanohana, Takanohana, Takanohana, Takanohana, and Musashimaru.
pretty wild
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 18:29:31 UTC No. 215142
>>215141
Everyone is excited to see Onosato get his 3rd cup and progress towards his inevitable coronation as the 74th yokozuna
sage at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 21:08:25 UTC No. 215147
>>215097
There is only so much one can report, especially under the direct guide of the JSA who only wants to showcase the happy goodie side of sumo. The channel original goal was to boost foreign interest in sumo and promote it as tourist spot for visitors, there is a reason why they went to that sumo souvenir town. Considering this, it doesn't make sense to make videos in Futagoyama style because they can't profit from gaijin with it. The channel was simply canned due to low views and that's it.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 23:16:27 UTC No. 215151
>>215147
>it doesn't make sense to make videos in Futagoyama style because they can't profit from gaijin with it
Why can't they profit from that?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 01:53:07 UTC No. 215170
>>215158
I look like this
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 03:43:37 UTC No. 215173
Maybe they decided "Hiro we don't need your promotional help anymore because we're selling out every seat"
They have the exchange rate encouraging tourism and Europe is becoming a lot less popular as a tourist destination because the cities are all turning into crime ridden muslim and African slums and North American cities aren't much better, I'm every remembers seeing how many foreigners were in the seats the last few bashoes. Plus Japanese nationalism is on the rise which also works in sumo's favor in terms of domestic ticket sales.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 05:08:53 UTC No. 215177
>>215173
>I'm every remembers seeing how many foreigners
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 05:17:47 UTC No. 215178
>>215177
probably "I'm sure everyone remembers"
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 12:10:18 UTC No. 215186
>>215177
Haven't we all accidentally a word at some point?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 13:31:12 UTC No. 215188
Koga bros we won THREE practice bouts today
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 13:48:58 UTC No. 215190
>>215186
Yeah, but he accidentally a whole bottle of words.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:08:27 UTC No. 215193
>>215188
Koga said he's started going to the gym. This is what we've been waiting for lads, Koga is going to be the top dog in Futagoyama in no time.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:45:53 UTC No. 215198
>>215197
Only need to do 10 hours of Shiko
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 16:42:21 UTC No. 215201
>>215197
Futagoyama should take inspiration from Ikazuchi and let his wife run the training sessions, she can stand up for more than 30 seconds at a time and actually does sme exercise.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:05:28 UTC No. 215203
>>215201
Ikazuchi's wife actually has a grappling background, Futa Okami-san does not.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:03:19 UTC No. 215205
>>215203
Oh I bet she's done some grappling in her day...
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:02:56 UTC No. 215209
>>215203
Futagoyama doesn't have a grappling background either, his brand of sumo was unga bunga shoving and being huge. Watching him give short and ineffective grappling demonstrations to his men before being forced to sit down again will always be equal parts funny and sad. I bet his wife could throw him.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:25:34 UTC No. 215210
>>215209
She can throw me, that's for sure.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:41:16 UTC No. 215211
>>215209
>4chud autist tries to critique ozeki on sumo technique
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:46:58 UTC No. 215212
>>215188
He has added a lot more weight in the recent few months, it shows in his face. Maybe if his face gets fat enough eventually his eyebrows will look small
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 23:57:03 UTC No. 215213
>>215212
The fat will just go to the sides of his head and push them closer together.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 03:09:50 UTC No. 215224
Where has soga been the last few videos. Suspiciously absent.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 03:16:14 UTC No. 215225
>>215224
sogging
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 03:31:20 UTC No. 215227
>>215224
@jungyo
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 07:17:04 UTC No. 215235
>>215224
it's been mentioned in previous video and the last one indicating he's with Roga on jungyou.
also the newcomer will probably appear in a video only after Kyushu basho
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 09:27:47 UTC No. 215237
>>215212
He hurt his back.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:40:48 UTC No. 215244
>>215114
>anons would rather watch fat fucks shove each other 10 seconds instead of this 1 minute spectacle of technique.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:42:53 UTC No. 215245
>>215244
I would rather leave it open for both options.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:12:19 UTC No. 215248
>>215244
shoving people is technique. eating enough to be huge and strong is training
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:20:24 UTC No. 215251
>>215250
When I was there it even had some big balls
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:43:17 UTC No. 215255
>>215244
I wish we had more fights like these, I mean ura vs whoever is similar to his size is always a fun match. Same with Midorifuji or Wakatakakage. Imagine the whole makuuchi would be guys like this.. there would definitely be less time for abema to spam the same ads over and over.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 19:22:54 UTC No. 215263
>>215255
if every contest was what you currently consider highlight reel material then you'd still be complaining that it isn't good enough to meet your expectations, you're just a terminally dissatisfied whiney little bitch, thats why you have no friends and nobody likes you. even your own family can't stand you. the problem isn't everyone else, its you.
If sumo was somehow terrible currently then they wouldn't be having the strongest ticket sales so far this century.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 21:42:16 UTC No. 215275
>>215263
>strongest ticket sales so far this century.
you realize the number of gaijins visiting japan hit record-high recently? who the fuck do you think buys all those horrible seats from where you cannot see shit?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 22:39:53 UTC No. 215276
>>215275
Sumo is more popular right now than it has been for a long time. You can try and twist this into "but the REAL sumo fans hate it and think it's rubbish", but you must understand that this is immediately recognised as military-grade copium. The top division has never been what you wish it was in terms of technical mastery, and it never will be, first and foremost because, as the current boom is showing, people are quite happy to come and watch sumo when the top division is full of bloated shovemasters.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 22:47:34 UTC No. 215277
>>215276
>the top division is full of bloated shovemasters.
but it's not
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 23:10:33 UTC No. 215279
>>215277
is too
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 23:12:15 UTC No. 215280
>>215279
Name them
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 00:18:49 UTC No. 215285
manlets really think this a good use of their time
you are never going to argue the JSA into becoming another gay ass sport with weight classes and all that gay shit manlets love, it simply is not going to happen and if you don't like that, then you are watching the wrong sport. That's all there is to it.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 00:33:21 UTC No. 215286
>>215255
Ura is one the same the fat fuck pusher shovers you're complaining about. Everyone remembers the flashy throws, but most of his wins are from push outs.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 00:46:16 UTC No. 215287
>>215285
Manlets aren't the people who would argue for that, given that they enjoy outsized popularity in sumo specifically because they are smaller than their opponents.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:19:51 UTC No. 215289
>>215255
Life is a treasure anon
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:31:57 UTC No. 215290
>>215289
Is this the goal?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 03:15:45 UTC No. 215297
>>215296
Why did you cherry pick 1984? Is it because that year supported your hypothesis the most?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 03:18:46 UTC No. 215298
>>215297
Why do you think I cherrypicked anything? I already posted 1994. In this thread. >>214232
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 03:29:17 UTC No. 215301
>>215298
That is the very definition of cherry picking. If you want to do a full on statistical analysis, I would love to see it but this nonsense is just that- nonsense.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 03:50:00 UTC No. 215302
>>215301
What the fuck are you talking about? How is any of this nonsense? It's precisely the raw data and nothing more. It would be cherrypicking if I said
>on days 1-10 this basho, there have been more oshizumou wins than yorikiri wins than there were 30 years ago
If you want complex data analysis, do it yourself, you greedy little pig.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 04:19:36 UTC No. 215306
I don't have any skin in this argument, but here's my guesstimate over which techniques are yotsu vs oshi.
While it's true that belt purists have declined since the 80s, and pushers have risen, an equally healthy winning type is "other" which is my catchall for any non-belt grappling technique like leg trips and non-belt throws. Overall I'd say sumo is in a pretty healthy state with equality between the three, and the non-belt throwers should be considered a third type instead of just yotsu vs oshi.
Data is cherry-picked from 1958 onward because a) start of the six basho era, b) I don't feel like looking up every archaic kimarite that doesn't exist anymore. Fusen, fouls, and non-techniques (opponent fucked up) are included for completion sake but all three combined are a negligible percentage of wins.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 04:46:21 UTC No. 215308
>>215306
Asking sincerely: did you use makuuchi data for this, or all matches?
It's easy to imagine the possibility of the lower divisions warping an all-matches search, given what goes on down there.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:55:02 UTC No. 215314
>>215306
Very interesting, thanks anon. I see that yotsu peak in the mongolian era of the last decade, which is just what I would expect, the Mongolian rikishi were usually quite technical. It seems to me a reaction to the previous era of mega pusher thrusters like Akebono. Now we might say the pendulum is swinging back.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 08:13:01 UTC No. 215327
>>215312
Bring this sumo back
Weight limit of 330 no weight classes just you can’t be fatter than 330
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 08:25:46 UTC No. 215329
>>215327
fuck off retard
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:09:38 UTC No. 215332
>>215327
Imposing a limit creates a class, dipshit.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:02:04 UTC No. 215334
>>215327
330 should be the MINIMUM weight to be a professional rikishi.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:15:37 UTC No. 215335
>>215286
that's just what he's been doing lately, he's not a young gun anymore and we're all aware of the state of his knees. Still, when he gets an equally sized opponent, it's quite a match.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:24:42 UTC No. 215336
>>215332
Weight classes imply their are multiple classes and in this case their is only one so there is not a weight class just a weight limit.
Bozo
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:48:33 UTC No. 215338
>>215336
There is one weight class.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:05:10 UTC No. 215339
>>215338
Sure, a comically gimped one. What are you gonna say about massive guys like Baruto? You didn't think about the fact that you were also imposing a de facto height limit, did you?
This is the same "Black Boats" cancer your Japanese equivalents shat out thirty years ago. Fuck off and leave sumo alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPX
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:18:43 UTC No. 215340
>>215339
I am? Think you replied to the wrong person.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:10:35 UTC No. 215343
>>215337
according to that he actually used a lot less oshidashi compared to the previous years. He did only 6 oshidashi in 75 bouts so far... and he was much more entertaining in the previous years anyway. I just don't buy it he's your regular fat pusher like daieishou or hamster etc..
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:05:10 UTC No. 215344
>>215308
Just makuuchi
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 18:26:02 UTC No. 215374
>>215343
The thing is, Ura is a 140kg monster of a man with a 100kg grip strength and arms like a gorilla. He's not a nimble little twink, even by sumo standards. Any "reforms" that shifted the meta away from fat pushers would leave Ura behind, because like it or not, he's a lot closer to Takakeisho than he is to Mainoumi.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:23:16 UTC No. 215379
This whole 'lets sissify sumo' troll is just taken from a spiffy video that came out about a month ago. You might as well be getting trolled by Chris
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:35:24 UTC No. 215381
>>215379
I hate youtubers so much
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:43:10 UTC No. 215382
>>215379
>let’s sissify sumo
How is wanting a lower weight “sissifying” it you fat retard. I think you’re afraid you’re going to lose your self insert sport that makes you feel better about being a walking heart attack.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:19:33 UTC No. 215386
>>215382
Gay troll. Luckily the based japs in charge of the jsa don’t care what weebs think.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:26:18 UTC No. 215387
Lol these outsiders really think anyone here cares about being called fat
Next time just keep scrolling, you don't belong here
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:33:50 UTC No. 215389
>>215382
I'm only 300 pounds at 6'3, so I'd get blasted out of the ring by the average Sandanme jobber. Yotsubagawa-beya is a funny meme, we don't really think we're sumo wrestlers.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:36:58 UTC No. 215390
>>215334
This guy gets it
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:40:20 UTC No. 215391
>>215386
Still didn’t say how making a weight limit would pussyfy it
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:42:59 UTC No. 215392
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 03:07:04 UTC No. 215399
>>215392
Not an answer
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 03:19:01 UTC No. 215400
>>215399
kill yourself
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 03:20:36 UTC No. 215401
>>215382
>>215391
All the proof you need is ssireum. It's Korean folk wrestling with no ring outs, so it's entirely grappling-based. It used to be based and openweight, but viewership was dying, so they implemented weight classes to thirst-trap with all the muscle twinks. It worked, so they lowered the maximum weight even more.
Tell me, do you think it's NOT pussifying a sport when the strongest guys aren't even allowed to compete anymore?
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.co
https://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Spo
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 03:22:00 UTC No. 215402
>>215397
wow this match would have been so much better if they were both tiny and skinny
>said nobody ever
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 05:16:47 UTC No. 215406
wimpy weak little sissies go through life terminally fearful of the larger stronger men who they know could easily stomp them flat whenever they please. many of them in turn develop the narcissistic inferiority complex and insanely convince themselves there is something good about being weak and wimpy. and then they go through life being angry at anyone larger than themselves. its an extremely common coping mechanism, nearly all women have it too
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 06:16:31 UTC No. 215407
I'm 5'7 and 145 pounds.
I've never been above 170 in my life.
The only thing they should do is raise the dohyo, anyone who disagrees get shot by Tokushoryu and buried under the koukugikan.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 06:22:51 UTC No. 215409
>>215407
Why does Tokushōryū have a gun?
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 06:24:14 UTC No. 215410
>>215409
He needed it for his secret kimarite.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 18:28:08 UTC No. 215425
>>215424
Only if it produces a non-Hawaiian American sekitori by the end of his term.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 20:31:03 UTC No. 215430
>>215415
I wonder if he's bothered to learn Japanese yet lol
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 22:26:05 UTC No. 215432
>>215430
He has done interviews, so yes. Certainly more than Shishi
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 23:06:02 UTC No. 215434
>>215432
Shishi has actually mproved a lot with his Japanese. In a recent interview he actually used an incredibly cringeworthy Japanese pun. I'm very impressed with him to be fair, because he looks like the sort of chap who struggles with his native language to begin with.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 01:15:12 UTC No. 215437
>>215430
>m...manko? kudasai
>HAI DOZO GAIJIN-SAN
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 04:49:33 UTC No. 215441
Bump limit reached, go:
>>208824
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 04:50:26 UTC No. 215442
>>215441
That's not how this board works
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 06:31:08 UTC No. 215447
>>215430
he knew some japanese when he came to japan already, not sure how. now he speaks fluently.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 06:52:12 UTC No. 215449
>>215447
djt
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 18:21:08 UTC No. 215461
>>215447
Aonishiki confirmed weeb
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 21:44:11 UTC No. 215468
>>215467
Worst for onosucko since he is going to get shit on by skinny legs and wakatakakage.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 21:51:14 UTC No. 215469
>>215467
Jan 26 next year Onosato clinches his next promotion
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:20:23 UTC No. 215471
the heat of the rice cooks the egg
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:38:36 UTC No. 215475
>>215471
Not when one slops on two eggs over cold rice.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 01:44:44 UTC No. 215485
keiko with kisenosato
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY3
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 02:46:24 UTC No. 215489
>>215488
I'd wanna be Tachihikari, but I'm probably Akutsugawa.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 03:03:54 UTC No. 215491
>>215489
relatable
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 03:14:24 UTC No. 215492
>>215488
Misugiiso
I often make that same face
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 06:02:14 UTC No. 215503
first day matchups are out
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 07:10:26 UTC No. 215506
>>215306
Interestingly, starting in 1980, your graph is almost identical to just "yorikiri vs oshidashi". I also used only makuuchi for this, on here:
https://sumo.stuartmcgill.org/
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:06:34 UTC No. 215536
>Nabatame leads training without the Oyakata
these guys need a second coach so fucking badly and there are so many retired rikishi I don't know how they don't have one
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:55:02 UTC No. 215549
>>215536
Nearly all of them had winning records last time around.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:55:59 UTC No. 215550
>>215517
Some good matches here. Zak was a wet fart last basho but he had that win in the OP so I'm hoping he brings it this time.
Oho really showed some balls fighting through that broken orbital so I have higher expectations of him now. Hosh...well, we'll see lol.
Kirishima came back to life last basho, but so did WTK so this ought to be a great one.
If anyone can give Onosato a wake up call it's gonna be my boy Hiradoumi. Is he gonna catch him with a hangover from those Ozeki parties? Hira always throws down so this one is all on Onosato's preparation.
And hoping Wakamotoharu stomps Abi just because I'd like that.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:57:37 UTC No. 215551
>>215549
It would only help them, anon, it's not an insult. Ok it is but just a little one.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 18:56:43 UTC No. 215553
>>215536
You can't retire and then just apply to start coaching at someone else's stable. Retired rikishi who qualify for elder stock will either continue serving their master as an assistant coach or branch out and become the head coach at their own stable. The lads aren't getting any new coaches until Futagoyama dies and they're sent elsewhere in the ichimon. Probably in a year or two.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 20:19:53 UTC No. 215562
>>215560
He can teach them to be a sandanme shitter.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 22:03:18 UTC No. 215566
>>215560
Futagoyama himself is an employee of the JSA, as are all the other elders. If a stable has multiple coaches, all of them are drawing their salaries from the JSA. If Futagoyama wanted to hire additional personnel, even former disciples, he'd have to pay them out of his own pocket. His pocket, of course, isn't very deep (unless he's got secret business investments we know nothing about) and indeed, most stables wouldn't be able to afford such an expense on top of the existing challenge of housing and feeding so many gluttonous young athletes. As a further complication, the JSA is of course run by men who are oyakatas in their own right, and so they would have an incentive to disapprove of any arrangements that allowed one stable access to any professional coaching that didn't fall under their authority.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 22:25:18 UTC No. 215567
>>215566
Don't the rikishi contribute something?
plus they seem to get a lot of gifts so that should significantly cut the food budget
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 00:06:22 UTC No. 215572
>>215567
The gifts from the fan club are a significant part of a stable's budget. While I'm sure a stable could get by if for some reason, their fan club boycotted them for a year, in the normal course of things it's expected and budgeted for that a certain amount of food and other gifts will be coming in. Likewise, things like lodging for the tournaments outside of Tokyo are often paid for by the fan association native to those regions. The stablemasters get a certain payment per man in the stable to help cover his living costs, which incentivises someone like Futagoyama, who can no longer physically train his men hmself and has no assistant coaches, to maintain fifteen disciples. Unsalaried wrestlers of course are unable to contribute significantly in a financial sense, because they only get a small amount of pocket money from the JSA. I would assume that a salaried rikishi feels obligated to contribute in some way to the master and the stable that helped him get his salary in the first place, but the salaries aren't really all that much until you're at the really high levels, and a salaried man is expected to want to move out of the stable and get married at some point, which of course costs a lot of money. A makuuchi yusho, however, is incredibly valuable for the stable of the winner, due to the massive amount of food that comes along with the Emperor's Cup.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 01:07:24 UTC No. 215578
Dohyo Purification happening live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_-
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 01:21:14 UTC No. 215580
>>215578
The warmth of the gyoji scares away the spirits.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 03:36:50 UTC No. 215588
Its Futagoyamover
Kuwae is out for the tournament with a knee injury
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 03:42:13 UTC No. 215589
>>215588
rip, he was the most promising of the smaller dudes of the heya
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 03:43:33 UTC No. 215590
>>215589
I lied, I didn't realize Mita was in the same ballpark of height + weight
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 04:18:01 UTC No. 215593
>>215592
Got him picked for my fantasy team, so hopefully nobody believes in him.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 04:31:37 UTC No. 215595
>>215593
What site are you guys using for that?
I wont pick Takayasu dont worry
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 04:34:00 UTC No. 215596
>>215584
>become braindead
>they still put you on the dohyo for the better part of a decade even though you fall over every time you get nudged
That's Japanese traditionalism for you.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 04:34:04 UTC No. 215597
>>215595
It's just a google sheet I made that me and my friend use, nothing official.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 04:35:29 UTC No. 215598
>>215592
Fan of his since his ozeki days so strongly hoping nobody even sees him compete until day 15, then he might have a real shot at the yusho.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 05:16:07 UTC No. 215599
>>215592
>only 2.5" wide
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 05:26:08 UTC No. 215600
>>215599
Imagine having a tiny clone of each rikishi and having them wrestle on your table while you eat breakfast.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 07:36:48 UTC No. 215605
Kotobros this is THE basho he will secure the horizontal rope for takakeisho sempai and he has the kami backing him.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 10:57:49 UTC No. 215606
>>215600
I think having 600 miniature sumo wrestlers knocking about in your house would be even more inconvenient than having two or three full-sized ones. My limit would be four or five minirikishi.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 16:29:36 UTC No. 215610
>Kazuma out
Shame
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:29:51 UTC No. 215621
Teru out
https://hochi.news/articles/2024110
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:06:33 UTC No. 215626
>>215621
Not a surprise
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 22:34:42 UTC No. 215629
>>215517
Great bouts. I'm hoping for an Ozeki win so Teru can crush another 'zuna hopeful like he did with Kirishima in January to start 2025
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 22:53:31 UTC No. 215630
>>215621
This means we got at least a 3/42 chance of a Yokozuna run starting
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 23:21:55 UTC No. 215631
>>215616
With Mama's training, he'll be unstoppable.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 23:34:55 UTC No. 215632
Who's going to make the /sp/ thread?
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 23:41:58 UTC No. 215633
>>215632
A fag.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 00:29:49 UTC No. 215637
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 00:59:14 UTC No. 215639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92q
>Koga gases the large shared room
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 09:12:40 UTC No. 215652
>>215639
If he can incorporate biological warfare into his sumo, the innovative approach could send him flying up the ranks.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 15:28:01 UTC No. 215732
Koga still doing his Ah! in real matches is too funny
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 19:22:17 UTC No. 215929
>Mita 3-0
dude beat everyone within a second or two so far
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 19:25:10 UTC No. 215930
>>215819
Hang in there, old man...
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Nov 2024 11:09:34 UTC No. 216117
>>216102
Ura thought he could rest with the applause and Tobi slapped him.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:21:51 UTC No. 216182
Someone post the Abu flowchart, please.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 23:16:16 UTC No. 216216
>>216215
This isn't right. Doing a henka after a nodowa doesn't even make sense. False chart.
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 01:09:19 UTC No. 216222
>>216216
British hands typed these words.
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 01:37:56 UTC No. 216223
>>216222
Never call me british again
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 02:20:09 UTC No. 216225
>>216215
Thank you, anon. I forgot to save it the last time I saw it.