🧵 /sumo/ - Off-Basho General
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 18:29:33 UTC No. 221444
Dan edition
Aonishiki has tied the record for fastest progress to makuuchi from jonokuchi debut
>Banzuke:
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBa
>Fight Schedule & Results:
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMa
>Some sumo links and how to watch live:
https://rentry.org/uwbgc88d
>n@tto
>>>/sp/146624463
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Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 18:31:41 UTC No. 221446
>>221441
>there's a reason they don't fight like MMA fighters
Because the win condition in sumo is completely different lmao. If the UFC swapped the octagon cage for a towara and ring outs you'd see sumos crushing the sport.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 18:36:07 UTC No. 221449
>>221447
He reminds me of that moment near the end of Whiplash where A J Simmons' character tells the protagonist that it looks like he doesn't really have what it takes.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:20:41 UTC No. 221456
>Obese, immobile Musashimaru to teach Hoshoryu the unryu style
That is going to be hilarious to see
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:25:34 UTC No. 221459
>>221444
>Aonishiki has tied the record for fastest progress to makuuchi from jonokuchi debut
Good on em'. He seems to have some actual skill and might be a threat for Ozeki some day. His gaijin counterpart Shishi, on the other hand, seems to be clumsy as fuck and gives me nice guy Keisei vibes of meh...
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:27:22 UTC No. 221461
>>221459
Shishi reminds me of sleepynojo if shishitter learns some real technique he’ll be a force
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:27:25 UTC No. 221462
>>221449
I think he has the "fat guy gets bad back from sleeping" problem. Or maybe its knees or hips, who knows. He needs to get rid of his "catch the other guy's taichai" style and be more aggressive. Teru could do that style last January before he was closer to full power, in July he was moving forward at the taichai more and it worked for him and Zak isn't as big and strong as Teru was, at least not yet.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:29:47 UTC No. 221464
>>221462
>"fat guy gets bad back from sleeping" problem
damn is this why my back hurts
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:31:59 UTC No. 221466
>>221459
Considering the guy he tied with is Jokoryu, he'll need to watch he's not pushing himself too hard too quickly and injuring himself back to perma-makushita.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:36:37 UTC No. 221467
>>221459
Kaisei was much, much bigger, over 50kg heavier, Aonishiki verges on muscle manlet status, but he is still very young. The other two who hold the record Aonishiki just matched both started sumo when they were 23, Dan will be a makuuchi vet when he turns 23, he was 19 when he was in Jonokuchi.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:38:17 UTC No. 221468
>>221456
Ever see the Sumo Prime Time video of Musashimaru? He comes across as someone who's taken WAY too many knocks to the head.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:41:43 UTC No. 221471
>>221462
He should've tried becoming a yokozuna by being good instead of being fat.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:43:46 UTC No. 221472
>>221465
I want to fuck her mouth, bros
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:44:50 UTC No. 221473
>>221465
I want Eimi and the girl at Futagoyama to oil wrestle for my sexual enjoyment.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:45:59 UTC No. 221474
>>221471
in sumo the difference between "too fat" and "perfect weight" is 1g, its that last gram that breaks the camels back that means you were too heavy.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:46:39 UTC No. 221475
>>221474
Bro if Zak was 1g lighter he would still be a tremendous fatso.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:47:18 UTC No. 221476
>>221467
>Aonishiki verges on muscle manlet status
Hes 5'10 and 120kg. Thats a manlet. He just needs more traps for the muscle side
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:48:05 UTC No. 221477
>>221472
Why would you bother to post that mewing cringe shit? Have some self respect already.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:55:59 UTC No. 221479
>>221465
>nnnggghhh eimi-chan i can't focus on my sumo with this erection...tasukete...
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 20:37:46 UTC No. 221481
>>221468
That part where he went on a tangent to indirectly ramble about Takakeisho was funny.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 20:43:27 UTC No. 221482
Everyone keeps thinking the JSA is desperate for a yokozuna but I see the truth
They barely escaped having to answer what happens when there are less than two ozeki/yokozuna when Takakeisho was kadoban during the basho kirishima got ozeki in
They look at the current ozeki and see that none of them are going to last so they promoted hoshoryu so that he can be listed as the Yokozuna-Ozeki in half a year's time when zak loses ozeki rank and onosato is kadoban
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 20:49:27 UTC No. 221483
>>221482
>The current ozeki won't last
The fuck are you smoking? Zak just went kadoban for the first time and Onosato isn't looking like he's slowing down any time soon.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:04:34 UTC No. 221484
>>221476
136 on his most recent official weigh in
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:15:25 UTC No. 221485
Without googling, name all of the makuuchi rikishi to fight in a black mawashi this basho.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:26:01 UTC No. 221486
Is anyone else archiving the sumo broadcasts? What source do you use? I've just been using the nhk world highlights.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:30:45 UTC No. 221487
>>221486
What fucking plebbery is this? Natto is the superior source for all basho broadcasts.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:50:47 UTC No. 221488
>>221487
Oh, and where do I download that? What's his source and the resolution and bitrate?
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:01:34 UTC No. 221490
>>221488
...Prove to me you're not part of the Japanese broadcasting industry, first...
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:04:18 UTC No. 221491
>>221490
I just want a source I can automate from my scripts. Youtube works because it's usable via yt-dlp. So it has to be accessible by automated methods. The nhk videos on youtube are 1080p but only around 3,000 kb/s bitrate. So if your solution is behind something requiring an account or login it's no good.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:10:11 UTC No. 221492
>>221491
Natto requires a login.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:11:36 UTC No. 221493
Sounds like an NHK ninja to me desu.
>>221492
That stuff can still be trivially automated, the anon is just a pleb who thinks yt-dlp is some 200 IQ shit.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:13:26 UTC No. 221494
>>221493
It's just the best source that's easily accessible. I don't see what's so great about natto, I haven't seen the video quality being that much better.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:18:47 UTC No. 221495
>>221494
Video quailty now that he switched to Abema is arguably worse than NHK. That was never his primary draw, though. It's the detailed charts.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:20:24 UTC No. 221496
>>221495
I don't need charts, I can just use sumodb. I just want to archive the bouts in the highest quality possible.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:20:35 UTC No. 221497
>>221495
Also Juryo and Makushita.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:21:51 UTC No. 221498
>>221496
>OOOOHHHHHHH IM GOONNAAAA DAATA HHHOOOAAAAARRRDDDDD
Isn't it enough for you to just enjoy the sumo? Are you one of those people who goes to a concert so you can hold your phone up recording it instead of enjoying it?
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:22:43 UTC No. 221499
>>221498
Let him hoard. It's sad how hard it is to find old tournaments for me, a guy who's never actually looked that hard for them.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:24:29 UTC No. 221500
>>221499
Agreed.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:24:44 UTC No. 221501
>>221498
>hold your phone up recording it instead of enjoying it?
No I'd definitely not do that. But I'm pretty sure it'll be harder to get archives of bouts in the future so I'd like to have them. I've contributed webms to the thread for ages and people have appreciated stuff like that but I guess I'll stop doing that.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:24:49 UTC No. 221502
>>221499
Can't imagine many are worth watching honestly.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:26:14 UTC No. 221503
>>221502
I just have a friend who really likes Tochinoshin, so I wanted to look up his yusho for them.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:26:35 UTC No. 221504
>>221501
>but I guess I'll stop doing that
Lmao passive aggressive fuck, do what you want. I made that Onosato slipping webm someone keeps posting but I don't think I'm hot shit for it.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:33:13 UTC No. 221505
>>221496
Might wanna archive sumodb too. Them servers gonna blow up any day now with everyone arguing over promotion conditions.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:34:59 UTC No. 221506
>>221505
Apparently other people have already done that, but it'd be nice if they published their data instead of hoarding it for themselves.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:41:55 UTC No. 221507
>>221505
Doitsuyama claims to have fixed whatever was wrong, but it's hard to take him at his word.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:45:35 UTC No. 221508
Remember when we all thought we finally had a solid sanyaku and had reached a period of stability? And then four dudes got losing records and Teru fucking died? Good times.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:55:12 UTC No. 221509
>>221486
Short answer, no there is no publicly available archive of bashos for a variety of reasons.
I have a personal collection formed of mbovo nhk recordings, kintamayama collections, and various odd recordings with euro and russian commentary from rutracker and random forums.
Gonna have to start grabbing whatever you see when you can, manually.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:59:08 UTC No. 221510
>>221509
Do you have/could you share January 2018?
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:11:17 UTC No. 221513
Really wanna see footage of Asashoryu's inevitable visit to Tatsunami Beya to spar with the new "yokozuna". It will happen sooner rather than later because no way uncle is just gonna sit on his ass while family shit goes down.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:36:45 UTC No. 221514
>>221509
The NSK has a growing number of basho on their youtube channel if you'll pay $9 a month for access.
https://www.youtube.com/@sumo-video
If we want a publicly accessible archive to exist at some point, eventually someone will have to bite the bullet.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:37:34 UTC No. 221515
>>221514
Natto will upload his entire archive to his site eventually. Trust the process.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:40:43 UTC No. 221516
>>221515
A personal site can be taken down easily; it's better to just slap it on a file-hoster.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:42:11 UTC No. 221517
>>221516
His basho videos are on a file hoster.
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:47:00 UTC No. 221518
>>221516
>taken down easily
How? They can get data centres to cancel people's contracts?
Anonymous at Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:52:03 UTC No. 221519
>>221518
Yes?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 00:06:06 UTC No. 221521
>>221520
Motoharu's feet weren't even against the towara. The fuck even happened there?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 00:07:08 UTC No. 221522
>>221519
Depends where they're hosted. I've heard that Bulgarian hosts are basically untouchable because they just don't care.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 00:13:05 UTC No. 221523
>>221521
Hokuseiho wasn't a smart man, reach over the top and walk forward was about all he did, no tawara needed.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 00:37:08 UTC No. 221526
I forgot to name it yotsubagawa Yokozuna decision council since yotsubagawa is our official stable name
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 00:44:42 UTC No. 221527
>>221514
I have membership for NSK's youtube until early February. I will webm stuff if anyone wants something specific.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 01:54:11 UTC No. 221531
>>221520
i like how the reddit/midnight sumo crowd made a complete 180 on hokuseiho going from the next yokozuna to being a bully
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 01:59:34 UTC No. 221532
>>221477
Ditto.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 02:03:02 UTC No. 221534
>>221485
Kotozakura
Chiyoshoma
Shodai
Oho... I think? All I got.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 02:13:15 UTC No. 221537
>>221534
Oho's might be a very dark purple or brown. I think Meisei's was black this time too
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 02:36:51 UTC No. 221539
>>221465
Decent taste
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 03:13:52 UTC No. 221543
>>221485
Kirishima and Wakamoto haru always fight in black.
Hakuoho and Tokihayate.
>>221534 Kotozakura and Chiyoshoma
>>221537 Meisei
Done
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 03:14:55 UTC No. 221544
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 03:53:30 UTC No. 221546
>>221528
When the new borders for Russia are drawn, Putin will have acquired Shishi.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 03:54:46 UTC No. 221547
>>221546
2 day operation comrade
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 06:08:41 UTC No. 221552
>never beat terunokneesfuji
>never even look like getting close
>succeed him the same tournament tobifuckingzaru forcibly retires him
I'm going to Osaka, will be there on opening day, gonna practice my zabuton frisbeeing so I can bullseye Hosh when he jobs. I honestly thought I'd be more likely seeing Onosato's maiden yokozuna dohyo-iri not Hosh's
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 07:01:32 UTC No. 221554
>>221467
>>221476
He's 5'11 (180 cm) but that's still shorter than every European rikishi before him, even the ones that stayed for like 2 basho then left.
I'm still curious to where his wall is going to be given that he's certainly going to get promoted to maegashira next basho.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 07:56:27 UTC No. 221556
>>221544
D'oh!
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 08:04:28 UTC No. 221559
>>221544
remove him from your memory
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 09:28:38 UTC No. 221562
>>221528
Good lord what an ugly man.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 09:30:37 UTC No. 221563
>>221552
>Osaka
>zabuton frisbeeing
I'd love to see that ngl
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 09:32:46 UTC No. 221564
has anyone ever got salt in their eye before a match
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 10:31:06 UTC No. 221569
>>221568
Brownest looking black I ever seen.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:09:50 UTC No. 221572
Zak is two years older than Hosh. Hosh is literally still reaching his peak, while Zak's peak wasn't good enough for zuna.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:14:07 UTC No. 221573
How many stables can their be at one time and how many coach’s can stables hire more coaches? Like for instance if keisho wanted nosho to come help with his can he pay him and employ him
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:20:32 UTC No. 221574
>>221572
Zak’s first yusho was better than both of hoshoryu’s for one he didn’t have to rely on anyone for a playoff to win and I’ll go as far as saying his play off with teru is way better than hoshoryu’s yusho against two maegashiras. He won the most bouts last year and two years ago he came in second with wtk hoshoryu is the definition of right place right time and if you want to talk about steady growth it’s zak he’s figured out hoshoryu and the others. His body is holding him back.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:20:33 UTC No. 221575
When Zak puts on 10 more pounds he will literally be immovable and throw those mongolian twinks across the dohyo
you gotta be retarded to not think he has the highest ceiling
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:22:17 UTC No. 221576
>>221571
meeeeeeeeeee
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:25:04 UTC No. 221577
>>221576
Zak I need you to stop fighting injured buddy
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:01:36 UTC No. 221578
>>221574
>His body is holding him back.
yeah because he's a fat fuck
take that away and he's worthless
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:04:52 UTC No. 221579
>>221578
Being a fat fuck is apart of sumo he has impeccable technique and ring IQ you don’t go 14-1 without it
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:08:42 UTC No. 221580
>>221579
fat fucks being more prone to injury is also a part of sumo
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:17:31 UTC No. 221581
>>221580
i accept your concession Ktz is Terunofuji
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:17:32 UTC No. 221582
>>221579
Hakuho and Asashoryu weren't nearly as heavy as zak, that didn't stop them from being the greatest
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:21:43 UTC No. 221583
>>221582
Hak was still a big bloke and Asa was a master of his technique he made up for his size. Teru had size and technique imagine if he had knees fucker could’ve easily had 22 chips or more
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 13:05:36 UTC No. 221586
All of you guys are arguing the wrong point - each individual rikishi has an ideal fighting weight, and the only issue is how close he is to it. Doesn't matter if he's too high or too low, his performance will suffer, There's no one size fits all weight that all wrestlers of a given height should aspire to.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 13:16:04 UTC No. 221587
>>221571
Oho did.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 13:35:50 UTC No. 221588
>>221477
I wanna fuck his mouth bros...
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 14:14:13 UTC No. 221593
It's a shame sumo didn't do very well in MMA because I think those guys would be monsters in the street
I wonder how a sumo/boxing fighter would look like
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 16:16:42 UTC No. 221602
>>221567
This is why ABEMA added mawashi colors to their feed.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 17:05:38 UTC No. 221608
>>221572
>>221574
>>221575
>>221577
what the fuck is a Zak?
it's Quattro tatas, or Tatas for short. Or titties if your murican
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 17:05:47 UTC No. 221609
>>221593
Ura Forma de pugilist
>>221602
I wish they would fix their color, white balance, and exposure instead.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 17:31:45 UTC No. 221616
>>221593
Daieisho is basically already fighting in that style
Uncle Waka even called his sumo "boxing" in the commentary of the first few days this basho.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 17:33:58 UTC No. 221617
>>221608
gb2mexico spic
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 17:35:40 UTC No. 221618
>>221617
If he was from Mexico he would've known it was "Tetas Quattro", not "Quattro Tatas"; "Tatas" is also American.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:03:13 UTC No. 221623
>>221618
That's Portuguese not Spanish, anon
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:18:18 UTC No. 221629
>>221472
Same. Just have her lay down on a table with her head hanging off the edge and have her open up her throat. Just going at it like she's an onahole. God...
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:22:26 UTC No. 221632
>>221623
I'm also not from South America.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:26:41 UTC No. 221634
>>221632
Black Zak is his name, Quattro Tetas is only his joke title for that one meme although it's definitely the best one in that entire roster
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:49:06 UTC No. 221637
>>221571
Tobizaru, that's why he retired
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:58:36 UTC No. 221640
>>221617
>doesn't know about the true banzaku
you have to go back
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 19:00:27 UTC No. 221642
>>221637
monke got revenge for getting clamped
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 19:07:01 UTC No. 221645
>>221642
He was just upholding their win trading tradition.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 19:13:47 UTC No. 221648
>>221610
Any videos of him punching
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 19:59:38 UTC No. 221656
>>221648
yeah there is one of his boxing training on the kise jewtube channel
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:08:46 UTC No. 221657
>>221574
>Zak’s first yusho was better than both of hoshoryu’s
Lmao no, Hosh spent November launching fat fucks all over the dohyo. All Zak did was be fat and immovable.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:11:54 UTC No. 221658
>>221657
Yeah Hosh launched himself straight into the dirt while Zak was immovable
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:30:57 UTC No. 221660
>>221658
Cry harder. Zak never had it in him to rope. His father built him up to become something he could never be. With Onosato and #74 hitting their peaks Zak will be lucky if he ever wins a 2nd yusho, never mind two in a row.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:32:47 UTC No. 221661
>>221657
>Hosh wasn't able to move Zak
>this means Hosh is stronger
uh
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:35:54 UTC No. 221662
>>221661
And yet the YDC's promotion decision was unanimous. Curious!
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:43:25 UTC No. 221665
>>221662
Yes, it is curious. We all think so.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 21:07:18 UTC No. 221670
Just watched the Chris Sumo video about Hoshoryu. I never knew just how much of a rival he considered Oho to be. That just makes the final fight between them that much better, holy shit.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 21:16:07 UTC No. 221673
>>221660
>two in a row
not a requirement for promotion, none of the last 4 promotions came after consecutive 'ushos
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 21:18:29 UTC No. 221675
>>221673
Two in a row is a hard requirement, it's just that they're willing to consider a strong JY to be a yusho equivalent. Teru's effort in July 2021 would've beaten just about any other rikishi in history, it's just that he was up against Hakuho.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 21:42:08 UTC No. 221682
Maybe I missed it, did Zak or anyone close to him ever say that he's currently injured? Or is it just a guess?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:17:06 UTC No. 221688
>>221682
His left knee and ankle were strapped up and he went 6-9 man idk what to tell you. There was a couple fights he literally couldn't push at all.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:37:52 UTC No. 221692
>>221688
>>221682
He looked injured as in limp, unable to resist, but then again, it didn't seem to me it was his taped leg that was consistently the weak spot. He also kept competing even after going kadoban. That and the mawashi change... I honestly don't know. AFAIK, there's been no official statement.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:42:15 UTC No. 221694
>>221692
There's been no statement because he family are retarded Japanese "honour" fucks. His father failed to become yokozuna and so pushes Kotozakura extra hard like parents in the US push their kids in sports to cover for their own failings. He had Zak promise his grandfather's fucking grave that he'd be back as yokozuna, do you seriously think anyone involved in this is going to actually admit to anything?
Yes I know that Kotonowaka didn't "fail", he simply had to quit to take over the family stable, but the end result is the same. I wouldn't even be surprised if the mawashi change was his father's decision. Zak is just a big baby.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:46:37 UTC No. 221696
>>221662
imagine if he summons some uncle energy and slaps a jap
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:47:13 UTC No. 221697
>>221688
He always had those straps no? Look at older bashos. Obviously he wasn't feeling great but if it's an actual injury I'd be curious to know what it is about.
>>221692
I see, thanks.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:48:36 UTC No. 221699
>>221692
>He also kept competing even after going kadoban
This is the most baffling part to me. Did he want to make sure that if Hosh became #74 that he at least had SOME say in it? Zak probably fought harder against Hosh than anyone else that basho.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:49:09 UTC No. 221700
>>221694
yeah, tits is gonna end up permagimped like kisenosato
only question is if he gets the rope or dies trying
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:56:04 UTC No. 221703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTB
1 hour until the official promotion stream.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:04:40 UTC No. 221706
>>221675
>Two in a row is a hard requirement, it's just that its not a hard requirement
ok thanks for you semantics, you will never be a woman
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:05:09 UTC No. 221707
>>221706
And Zak will never be a yokozuna :)
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:11:19 UTC No. 221708
>>221593
Sumo is held back because most forms of MMA take place in rings or cages. If ring outs are a factor, sumo would have a much higher success rate, as seen in promotions like Ganryujima.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:13:55 UTC No. 221709
>>221688
He actually went 5-10. In a basho where 4/7 sanyaku got MK, he had rhe worst record of all of them. But yeah, the gut looked like he had no power or drive to resist his opponents. The only time he showed any mettle at all was day 15 against Hosho, but they both get fired up to fight each other every time.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:14:31 UTC No. 221710
>>221708
That was a shit reply. He should've told the twink to try pushing him out instead. Though desu any non-obese top rikishi trained in ground and pound could've obliterated him even in a cage. Hakuho or Asashoryu would rip the limbs off the average MMA twink, discipline be damned.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:20:53 UTC No. 221712
>>221708
knee up the middle nigga
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:55:20 UTC No. 221715
>>221637
Tobi retiring teru was almost as funny as kak kak trying a leg sweep and falling on his ass
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:56:20 UTC No. 221717
>>221524
Get your votes in polls close in an hour
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:57:03 UTC No. 221718
>>221715
The Tobi fight had plenty of honour. You could see Teru's knees slowly exploding as time went on. Kekuryu shat the bed, it's not the same.
Also PROMOTION STREAM STARTING.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:58:00 UTC No. 221719
>>221718
Watch closely. When they ask if anyone has any objections to his promotion, I'm going to stand up and challenge it.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:59:45 UTC No. 221720
>>221719
Go back to bed, Zak. That is, if your back can handle it.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:13:08 UTC No. 221724
>>221699
And hosh couldn’t throw him
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:13:47 UTC No. 221725
>>221724
Hosh should have lost right then but Zak was just asleep on his feet
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:16:37 UTC No. 221726
Youtube chat is great, nips can't understand why there's so many FILTHY FOREIGNERS there.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:18:21 UTC No. 221727
>>221726
What are nips saying
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:20:09 UTC No. 221728
>>221675
Kakuryu had been yokozuna for 4 years before he finally was able to string together two consecutive wins. Its good odds that Horseshitryu will never do it considering that its been over a year since he previous win.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:21:48 UTC No. 221730
>>221727
Random stuff here and there. Lots of "Hoshoryu ganbatte!" and "WHERE THE FUCK IS THE STREAM???".
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:25:20 UTC No. 221732
>>221728
GODshoryu will continue to dominate and there's nothing you can do about it, sorry sweaty
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:26:19 UTC No. 221733
>>221729
Rip, better luck next basho hoshoryubros
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:31:10 UTC No. 221734
Can't tell if Hosh took a shot to the left eye, or if he always squinted that much.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:36:48 UTC No. 221737
>We promote you. Gz.
>Ty.
Wow what a great ceremony as per usual.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:37:42 UTC No. 221738
Akashi Shiganosuke Weeps
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:38:29 UTC No. 221739
>>221730
That doesn't sound like they're mentioning the foreigners.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:39:22 UTC No. 221740
>>221739
I saw a few comments earlier to that effect and thought it was funny.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:39:41 UTC No. 221741
>>221732
>continue
Let me know when he starts lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:40:42 UTC No. 221742
>>221735
Pfft. Unearned. Undeserved. What a joke.
IF he wins the next basho I will admit Hosh is rope material.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:41:27 UTC No. 221743
>>221737
It isn't a "promotion ceremony" as such. It's the ceremony of informing the wrestler that he is going to be promoted, which logically made more sense over a century ago. Now, it's simply tradition for the media to be there to see that happen.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:43:05 UTC No. 221744
>>221742
>This anon, circa 2031
>uhhhh if hosh can win his 38th straight yusho, THEN i'll admit he's rope material!!!
The only one roping here is you once you realise you will never be a woman.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:44:16 UTC No. 221745
>>221744
Hoshoryu isnt going to have sex with you for defending his honor online, anon
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:45:18 UTC No. 221746
bring out the fish. taking bets on whether he botches it our not
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:45:30 UTC No. 221747
>>221745
His dick is rocking my boihole as I type this.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:45:48 UTC No. 221748
whos the down syndrome kid
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:46:31 UTC No. 221749
How come Onosato got two fish?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:46:35 UTC No. 221750
You know what anon
You're right
Hoshs hugely embarrassing slip in November was totally Kakuryu-tier so I guess he is rope material in a way
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:46:55 UTC No. 221751
>single fish
weakmind yokozuna incoming
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:47:43 UTC No. 221753
>Pretending to leave
Lmao this guy is fucking great.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:48:51 UTC No. 221754
>photographer tried to call Hoshoryu back by yelling "ozeki!" and then realized
lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:49:04 UTC No. 221755
Someone post the Oho vs Kinbozan fight so we can watch Hoshoryu earn his Yokozuna promotion again
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:52:36 UTC No. 221756
>>221748
Some Kashiwa Junior High School Sumo wrestler that is close to Hoshoryu's family.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:52:54 UTC No. 221757
How many kimboshi hosh giving away this year?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:53:07 UTC No. 221758
>>221748
Some tard that Hosh keeps around for PR's sake.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:54:09 UTC No. 221759
>>221757
Hard to say, but god have mercy on whatever shitter he faces first in March. I heard it's K1w which would likely mean Abi.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:54:22 UTC No. 221760
>>221757
I'd be surprised if he dropped less than two in the March basho.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:56:27 UTC No. 221761
Aonishiki will be the next hakuho after horshityu retires in disgrace.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:56:39 UTC No. 221762
>>221760
I’m expecting a string 11-4 since the value of strong yushos have been bottomed out
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:57:08 UTC No. 221763
>>221762
>I’m expecting a string 11-4
But enough about Kotozakura.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:57:17 UTC No. 221764
>>221756
https://x.com/italianozeki/status/1
thanks anon
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:58:48 UTC No. 221765
>>221763
>11-4 kadoban basho
Amazing stuff really kotozakura really is the best
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:01:03 UTC No. 221766
>>221763
The way this basho went it's looking more like a string of 4-11's
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:03:12 UTC No. 221767
>>221766
If he'd pulled out to injury the moment he went kadoban I'd have respected him more, but that fight against Onosato was fucking pathetic, the man shouldn't have been in the dohyo. Was he so desperate to fight Hoshoryu before he potentially got promoted? At risk of making his clear injury worse? What a fucking idiot. No one will care or even remember that you did it.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:05:49 UTC No. 221768
>>221767
Wasn't there a comment from his father like "you can heal in the dohyou", or am I thinking of someone else?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:07:06 UTC No. 221769
>>221767
What we're going to remember is a mannerless Mongol dog becoming yokozuna on the back of two of the weakest performances in sumo history
They should make Oho half a yokozuna at least since he did most of the work.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:08:08 UTC No. 221770
>>221769
Take the dick out of your mouth and reply to me again.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:09:04 UTC No. 221771
Juryo promotions announced.
Wakanosho (Ms1e)
Kazekeno (Ms1w)
Kusano (Ms3w)
Hitoshi (Ms4w)
Otsuji (Ms5w)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:09:45 UTC No. 221772
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:10:03 UTC No. 221773
>>221771
go kusano go
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:12:02 UTC No. 221774
>>221771
TELL ME HOW YAMATO DID
THE GUY WHO SUPLEXED THAT FAT FUCK
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:12:48 UTC No. 221775
>>221768
Think that was kisenosato but that’s old school shit saying heal on the dahyo
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:14:40 UTC No. 221776
>>221774
He got a 5-2 so that should land him somewhere around Ms50 (plus/minus 3 ranks) which is a career high.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:17:32 UTC No. 221777
>>221769
>mannerless
no such thing. and no the granpa gyoji being too drowsy from his nappy to notice his quick bow does not count.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:23:13 UTC No. 221778
>>221777
Funny how literally no other rikishi has that issue
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:28:35 UTC No. 221779
>>221778
Not many other rikishi had to deal with the grandpa gyoji who only got dragged out for the last couple of fights which Hoshoryu was basically always in.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:34:04 UTC No. 221780
>>221779
Statistically, what is more likely? That an old man happens to not see one man bow out of dozens of men? And then he manages to not see it repeatedly? But he still manages to see every single other person bow including this guy's opponent?
Or is someone just rude?
Tell me what occams razor would say to this.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:35:15 UTC No. 221781
>>221778
it was the same gyoji in both instances too. clearly a gyoji issue. probably racist
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:35:32 UTC No. 221782
>>221780
Occam's Razor indicates that you, a 4chan poster, are likely a raging homosexual.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:36:09 UTC No. 221783
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:40:45 UTC No. 221785
>>221784
Uncle is undoubtedly satisfied that Hosh could never even approach his strength and fame, especially after this embarrassing pity promotion
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:42:13 UTC No. 221786
>>221785
Honestly, the run from peak Asashoryu to peak Hakuho likely hasn't been repeated in any sport anywhere ever.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:43:11 UTC No. 221787
>>221786
Yes that is true, anon. I am being somewhat unfair. I'm just very unsatisfied with the way this whole thing shook out.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:43:36 UTC No. 221788
>>221780
You're really going to say that Droopy didn't call back other rikishi? That happened a number of times. Sometimes they'd do full bows while he was looking the other direction.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:02:57 UTC No. 221791
>>221790
Nobody gives a shit about gayreek wrestling
Go jerk off your wrestling coach again
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:05:51 UTC No. 221792
>>221790
The issue with him is that I have zero respect for greco roman wrestling and thus don't care. I tried watching it once and thought it was retarded
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:14:55 UTC No. 221793
I just randomly checked Hokuseiho's record and he seriously went M11e->M6e off an 8-7 record? Fucking WHAT?!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:20:37 UTC No. 221795
>>221793
Now check out his m6 promotion to k cheating ura out of a sanyaku debut
He’s a fuckin nepo baby Jsa wants that Asa fan money
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:21:28 UTC No. 221796
>>221792
>have zero respect for greco roman wrestling and thus don't care. I
sure. many think the same as sumo. doesn't change that greco is a higher competitive level and a harder sport where someone was more dominant than the most dominant rikishi
>>221793
when will people learn that they also need to look at what other people did in the same basho to understand where people end up. take this bash for example. abi gets to keep komusubi because there the wakas both sucked, kirishima is going sekiwake and inly oho did good enough to get komusubi. if takanosho got 8-7 they would have flipped
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:22:12 UTC No. 221797
>>221793
>>221795
Never mind I thought you were talking about hoshoryu I hate that faggot nepo baby
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:23:18 UTC No. 221798
>>221796
Abi is going -0.5 instead of -1. Hokuseiho went +5 instead of +1. That's fucking WILD.
That actually brings me to a semi serious question. Kirishima is likely going back to sekiwake with his record, but what's the LOWEST record he could've gotten to go back to sekiwake?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:29:25 UTC No. 221799
>>221793
Nishikigi went from M5w to komusubi off an 8-7 early last year. Shit happens sometimes.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:35:57 UTC No. 221800
>>221796
Yeah? The difference is- this is a SUMO thread, for people who like SUMO and want to talk about SUMO.
This is NOT a gay wrestling thread for fags who like gay wrestling.
Nobody came into the gay wrestling thread and said "Hakuho is better than your gay slav boyfriend!". You came into OUR thread and talked shit with your faggot ass wrestling. Nobody asked you to come here and nobody asked you to bring up gay wrestling or your homosexual crush on whoever that raided out faggot is. YOU are intruding. YOU are being annoying. Nobody gives a FUCK about your gay ass wrestling so shut the fuck up about it.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:42:42 UTC No. 221801
>>221798
>you have to look at the basho
>no, im going to continue being ignorant
megashitters shit the bed hard
>>221800
>(greco) wrestling not allowed in the (sumo) wrestling thread
No amount of malding will change the fact that you are retarded and cant follow a chain of replies
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 02:59:13 UTC No. 221804
I am genuinely sad we don't get to rage at hokuseiho standing around 15 times every other month.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:09:09 UTC No. 221806
>>221801
Tell you what, you go start a gay wrestling thread on /lgbt/ and see how many people go with you. The rest of us will be here talking about sumo.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:17:40 UTC No. 221808
>>221735
>4eyed nerd as yokozuna
its never been as over as it is right now
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:21:41 UTC No. 221809
>>221808
A lot of rikiskhi need glasses. Perfect eyesight isn't beneficial, and something like lasik is out of the question with it being full contact.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:22:43 UTC No. 221810
>>221809
Yeah but just wear contacts for the aesthetic when you go out
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:23:53 UTC No. 221811
Horseshit just announced he is skipping the Osaka basho to go play soccer in Ulanbaatar
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:26:15 UTC No. 221812
>>221810
Glasses cheaper.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:28:06 UTC No. 221813
>>221812
Hosh is making well over six figures though
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 03:57:11 UTC No. 221814
>>221742
This, honestly. If I were on the YDC, I would only recommend Hosh for promotion if he won the next one.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 04:46:42 UTC No. 221819
>>221814
The YDC chairman's tenure was ending with this basho, so it seems apparent he wanted to get someone in before his time was up. That doesn't explain the other members, though. Tokura's tenure was also ending, and he voted for Hoshoryu and then made a racist comment about hoping he won't be like some of the other Mongolian yokozunas. Why vote for him, then? The world may never know.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 04:52:43 UTC No. 221820
>>221819
>good luck kid just don't be an asshole like your uncle or fuck it up like harumafuji
how's that racist or even strange you pearl clutching loser
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 05:31:13 UTC No. 221822
>>221820
His comment was
>Not all of the Mongolian yokozuna have had hinkaku, and it wasn't for a lack of fighting spirit. He needs to be conscious of the fact that this is the national sport, and it's Tatsunami-oyakata's job to teach him that.
What do other Mongolians, or his awareness of sumo being important to Japan, have to do with Houshouryuu's promotion unless a blanket judgment against Mongolians has been made in his mind? The statement also assumes that Houshouryuu isn't aware that sumo is the kokugi, and that it needs to be explained to him. He's been a sumo professional for 7 years, why wouldn't he know that?
Would this same person say to Kisenosato that Futahaguro, Wakanohana and Onokuni have been ugly embarrassments and that his oyakata needs to make him conscious of the damage he could do to sumo if he fucks up?
Punchline: Tokura never made a negative comment on Kisenosato. In mid-2018, he was still encouraging him to take off several more basho if he needed that extra time to heal up. After Kisenosato's 7th consecutive kyujo.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 05:37:35 UTC No. 221823
horseshitryu getting all bitchy and upset about being filmed eating chanko in the latest tatsunami video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQO
no poise
>it was roga tier and it was on the tatsunami beya youtube
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 06:51:32 UTC No. 221825
>>221819
>>221822
>racist
Racism is an American retardation according to which both Tokura and Hoshoryu would belong to the same race. The rest of the world is xenophobic based on ethnicity.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 07:36:35 UTC No. 221834
>>221825
Call it racist or ethnophobic or what have you, the semantics are not terribly important to me. I was only expressing surprise that he voted for Hoshoryu despite those feelings.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:04:18 UTC No. 221837
>>221834
Beards on gyoji need to make a comeback
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:33:28 UTC No. 221838
Sumo is going to be so fun to watch.
Imagine all the kinboshi Horseshitryu will dispense soon. Every basho is will be a great joy.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 11:36:35 UTC No. 221841
So when’s hoshitryu’s meji shrine ceremony
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 12:15:47 UTC No. 221843
Here's a funny statistic: in the 8 tournaments after the basho where he was promoted to ozeki (where being the lowest rank is forced), hoshoryu was ranked as ozeki 1 east only a single time
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 13:25:09 UTC No. 221846
>mongolian 'zuna
SO IT HAPPENED AGAIN! holy kek I just saw the news, they actually gave Yokozuna to someone who was pulling an 8-7 only 2 basho ago and losing 3 times to maegashitters in this one. They just killed his career. Intai in 2 years after dispensing a minimum of 10 kinboshi. They saw the opportunity to get rid of him fast lmao.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 13:42:31 UTC No. 221847
>>221819
Voting for Hoshoryu while complaining about Mongolian conduct is basically just a jab at Asashoryu.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:14:02 UTC No. 221848
>>221822
>national sport
Traditional ritual fags BTFO
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:19:02 UTC No. 221849
>>221846
>after dispensing a minimum of 10 kinboshi
He will hit that number in 2025.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:38:26 UTC No. 221850
>>221849
He can skip tournaments with no penalty now, so he can just sit out his yearly jobbing bashos. If he skips two this year, he can coast by with three more 12-3s and only be at nine kinboshi by the start of 2026.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:51:03 UTC No. 221851
>>221850
This is what I fear the most he gets to abuse the Yokozuna privilege of sitting out if Zak could do that he’d put up insane numbers
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 15:25:09 UTC No. 221856
>>221822
he's a shitter that needs to be slapped, hamurafuji should have bottled him instead
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 15:29:16 UTC No. 221857
>>221838
sobrino can now take off a basho to do a cycle of roids and GHG. niggas gonna be throwing fuckers into the 2nd row
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 15:41:45 UTC No. 221860
Hosh looks like he has needle scaring on his back and ass I think he juices
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:17:27 UTC No. 221863
Will Kotozakura be just a less successful version of Takakeisho? He's starting to pile up injuries and isn't able to maintain himself healthy for 2 bashos in a row, it looks like he hit his ceiling and will stay on the perpetual Takakeisho cycle of kadoban and weak KK until his body can't handle anymore and then retirement
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:19:54 UTC No. 221864
>>221861
He’s natty
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:22:04 UTC No. 221865
>>221863
>piling on injuries
Chill the last time he had an obvious injury was like two or three years ago I wish we knew how he got injured because it didn’t happen on the dahyo he’s pretty good at falling
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:47:18 UTC No. 221866
>>221863
I could see him being something like a pre-promotion Kisenosato. Really consistent, always a tough fight, never quite good enough to get over the hump.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:50:22 UTC No. 221867
>>221832
if the second newhew manages to get to makuuchi JSA will kidnap that couple and extract their DNA to crossbreed with japanese rikishi
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:10:56 UTC No. 221868
>>221861
There's no way TKF is on juice. He'd have bigger calves, for one thing. That's pure eat big, lift big.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:15:23 UTC No. 221869
>>221863
>Will Kotozakura be just a less successful version of Takakeisho?
He wishes he was.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:22:52 UTC No. 221872
>>221863
This is the first time he's ever had a losing record in the sanyaku. He hasn't has an MK since july 2022 where he got injured on day 10. How can you possibly say he's on the cycle when this is the first time it's ever happened?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:26:12 UTC No. 221873
>>221871
>expect us to think he's doing great.
Speak for yourself, if his floor is 10 wins and he grabs one yusho a year I'd say he's fine.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:28:28 UTC No. 221874
At the end of the day, we're going to be going into an era that will inevitably have multiple yokozuna who are all "ozeki+" instead of having one that's a clear dominant GOAT candidate and I'm fine with that. This will be a period of time that resets the expectations for yokozuna.
Imagine if we had Harumafuji, Kakryu, Kisenosato, and pre-beetus Terunofuji, without Hakuho. All would be yokozuna but none would be clearly and consistently dominant over the others.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:35:52 UTC No. 221875
>>221872
Looking that over, it seems like Zak always comes back strong after posting a MK
So if the pattern holds we should see Zak channeling November in the next basho
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:42:01 UTC No. 221877
I'm sort of dreading Aonishiki coming in and being good. Like bro let us have a single fucking moment of stability.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:42:06 UTC No. 221878
>>221874
This. I'd be perfectly fine with two zunas. Hell there was talk of a possible double promotion already before this basho, which shows that they're fully aware of it too.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:48:09 UTC No. 221880
>>221876
I just can't get over his proportions. The man just looks uncanny. The worst thing is, you can't even point to a specific thing that makes him so odd-looking.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:48:49 UTC No. 221881
>>221874
It's fine if the yokozuna can't dominate all the other ozeki, but he shouldn't be dropping random bouts consistently to maegashira dudes
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:53:34 UTC No. 221883
>>221880
he doesn't have the in-vogue blubber physique that people like kotozakura has, but he also doesn't look overtly muscular like wakatakakage even if you know he's still really strong - just kind of a nondescript middle point that belies his abilities
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:59:20 UTC No. 221887
>>221885
Based kisenosato took one for the team to show us if you yusho on your debut, you'll destroy yourself.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:04:20 UTC No. 221888
>>221883
>First Yokozuna Hoshoryu basho
>First basho with Aonishiki in Makuuchi
Aonishiki is going to take the emperor cup and Hoshoryu will finish 8-7 receiving the first warning from the YC
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:10:12 UTC No. 221889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zci
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:14:19 UTC No. 221890
>>221884
>>221885
i did all the >1950 yokozuna here already
>>221870
also interesting that at 25 there is no guarantee hell have a long stay
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:15:10 UTC No. 221891
>>221881
Even Hakuho gave up a kinboshi in around a third of his tournaments. Kinboshi are special for each individual maegashira that earns them, but over the course of a 15 day tournament it's expected that there will be at least one more often than not, with that chance increasing the more yokozuna there are and the fewer sanyaku there are (since yokozuna would be fighting more maegashira). It's just simple statistics.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:18:02 UTC No. 221892
>>221891
I'm not saying he should NEVER give out kinboshi, I'm saying he shouldn't give out as many as Hoshoryu could currently be set up to give out.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:30:59 UTC No. 221895
>>221894
You can just put down the abbreviation of the rank and it'll count everyone in that rank, for future reference. So you can just do "m" instead of "m1-m50."
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:35:51 UTC No. 221896
>>221894
It's not fair unless you factor in how many total fights they had against maegashira to give a percentage winrate against them.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:40 UTC No. 221898
>>221894
>>221897
There's also going to be fusenshos included in the loss data that don't reward kinboshi
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:05:51 UTC No. 221899
>>221897
Now work out Hoshoryu's loss rate to maegashira as an Ozeki to give us a rough idea of how much of a kinboshi machine he'd be compared to the others. What the fuck Kisenosato though.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:10:48 UTC No. 221900
>>221898
true. i really don't want to go through all the +7k matches to pull them out. consider this a approximation till someone else does it
>>221899
28%. He is 25/26 to 30 is prime tears for strength, so who knows if hell be better or worse
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:45:24 UTC No. 221904
>>221902
The big tipping point is how exciting he made the last two bashos. If he can do that even semi consistently they'll be happy.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:53:31 UTC No. 221905
>>221902
> Didn't see that coming.
No, that’s entirely expected. When the group takes a risk, it’s expected that all members of the group appear to buy in. Otherwise it suggests disharmony and dysfunction.
Japanese society does not want to risk having a bunch of guys leaking their dissent to the media. it undermines everything.
This way, if Hoshoryu poops his mawashi, there’s no one who can say “I told you so, nyaa nyaa!”
>you didn’t think he would work out but you still voted for him? Do you normally lie with your votes or is this a new thing?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:57:10 UTC No. 221906
>>221884
allowed my ass
he better win that debut basho or he will always be a fake yokozuna in my eyes
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:59:12 UTC No. 221907
>>221904
>exciting
He made November into an absolute anti-climax.
Oho was 100% responsible for January.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:59:17 UTC No. 221908
>>221906
You are actually that meme of Wolverine lying on his bed with a photo of Hakuho.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:01:29 UTC No. 221910
>>221907
Oho enabled it, but the superhuman determination was all Hosh's.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:01:51 UTC No. 221911
>>221908
Fair enough
but I won't admit that I'm wrong for thinking so
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:32:37 UTC No. 221913
>>221790
Dude is probably the most dominant combat sportsman of all time. Absolute beast mode.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:36:37 UTC No. 221915
>>221810
>just wear contacts
They aren't as effective as glasses, and it sucks ass not being able to see.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:42:38 UTC No. 221917
>>221914
I appreciate the effort anon, that's some interesting data
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:45:38 UTC No. 221918
>>221916
>former tacoqueso
Supposedly 15 so far.
>>221883
>just kind of a nondescript middle point that belies his abilities
I've been trying to put my thoughts about Aonishiki into words in the threads for the past few basho, but I think you nailed it with that description.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:55:09 UTC No. 221919
>>221916
He looked great when he did the commentary this basho, and has already lost a lot of weight. Also very respectful of all the rikishi and used "zeki" anytime he used their name. Much respect for him and hope he enjoys his retirement.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:06:59 UTC No. 221920
>>221919
I've never been a fan of the meatball phsyique wrestlers (for how it looks, what it does to their health, and how they wrestle), so I'm happy that he can breath easier now. Please remove Meatakiumi next.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:08:27 UTC No. 221921
My guy Koga getting pranked on his birthday
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:11:04 UTC No. 221922
>>221920
Soon Kaio will become the new top division meatball
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:12:51 UTC No. 221924
>>221922
*Kayo rather
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:18:13 UTC No. 221925
>>221923
He hasn't been the same since he lost his father.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:22:12 UTC No. 221926
>>221923
AIYEEEE MEATBALL-SAMA PLEASE DON'T 3-12 ME AGAIN
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:22:20 UTC No. 221927
>>221885
>>221887
now look at his gimped record after
nigga literally OD'd on yamato daimeishi
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:28:04 UTC No. 221928
>>221923
is this the ugliest bastard in a sport of fat ugly dudes?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:31:26 UTC No. 221929
>>221907
Hoshoryu beat Kinbozan himself. Twice. And Oho twice.
Kinbozan lost 3 matches and lost the playoff; Hoshoryu lost 3 matches and won the playoff.
The only reason you’re framing it this way is because Kinbozan’s third loss came late instead of early. It doesn’t actually matter when the losses come, only how many.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:36:15 UTC No. 221930
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:37:32 UTC No. 221931
>>221914
tldr seems to be that atm Hosh would be a kinboshi machine, but he genuinely seems to be improving to the point where I can see him being a decent to good one. If he awaken his forma de tío he'll be top tier.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:39:16 UTC No. 221932
>>221928
Mitakeumi is just a big guy, he isn't inherently ugly. I nominate Hiradoumi for the position of fat ugly hentai rapist bastard. Failing that, Nabatame. Something about him terrifies me.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:40:22 UTC No. 221934
>>221928
Takayasu
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:43:44 UTC No. 221936
>>221932
Are you kidding? Mitaekumi is fucking hideous. It doesn't help that he has that creepy top-row-of-teeth-only smile.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:45:19 UTC No. 221937
>>221932
It has to be Mitoryu but he's the juryo bridge troll and probably won't ever return to makuuchi.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:45:20 UTC No. 221938
>>221914
>Tochinoumi
won his first 'asho as 'kozuna followed by a total collapse, shitty scores, multiple successive injury withdraws and total no-shows and eventual retirement not all that long after his promotion.
sound familiar?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:47:02 UTC No. 221939
Reminder that Futahaguro was Tatsunami-beya's most recent yokozuna before Horseshitryu.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:49:55 UTC No. 221941
>>221939
>FutaHACKKEKO
what a stupid fucking name...
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:55:24 UTC No. 221942
>>221884
I hope they put hoshoryu on a shorter leash for this weak ass promotion no yusho in a year he needs to retire
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 22:10:27 UTC No. 221945
This wouldn't have happened if Asanoyama didn't job to hostesses.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 22:53:24 UTC No. 221952
>>221945
It’ll make a funny story to tell future sumo hopefuls
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 22:54:44 UTC No. 221953
>>221945
That hostess? Me.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 23:08:14 UTC No. 221955
>>221954
What a fucking run that was
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 23:24:13 UTC No. 221958
>>221957
The cherry on top is that I bet if you took all that fat away, he wouldn't look half bad.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 23:37:45 UTC No. 221960
>>221958
That goes for most people that are fat but have proper face and skull development. That's how it was for me, and my shit didn't even grow right. From subhuman to above average with 50lbs.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Jan 2025 23:51:09 UTC No. 221961
Takayasu is a very manly man. No wonder the ladies love him.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 01:43:20 UTC No. 221964
Hosho will end the next basho 13-2
He'll retire with a 70% win rate in 8 years
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 02:38:10 UTC No. 221965
>>221936
>pathetic faggots in this thread are now debating the attractiveness of rikishi
Just fucking kys already, you disgusting faggot pieces of shit, or at least go back to /redddit/.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 02:39:23 UTC No. 221966
>>221965
Are you stupid? I'm not attracted to ANY dudes, but Mitakeumi is ghoulish.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 03:08:15 UTC No. 221968
>>221965
Make me, cocksucker
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 03:39:10 UTC No. 221971
>>221908
Hakuho unironically ruined yokozuna sumo by being this god being who stuck around so long. Everyone expects a yokozuna to be, at minimum, Hakuho level. Which is just an absurd expectation.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 03:57:46 UTC No. 221972
>>221965
GB2bed mitakeumi
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 04:00:08 UTC No. 221973
>>221904
Hosh at least has sumo that isn't identical to everyone elses. Guy is more technical and ends a lot of his matches in throws and trips. Compare to most others who are just frontal push outs and slap downs. People prefer watching something different. It is why people like Ura, because he does shit most others don't do instead of just trying to win via slap downs.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 04:36:04 UTC No. 221980
>>221977
BOW TO HIM
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 04:45:55 UTC No. 221983
>>221980
Sorry, but if Hoshoryu wants MY respect? He'll need to do well in this upcoming tournament. Hopefully no one tells him that though, I wouldn't want to put any undue pressure on him to do well.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 04:55:51 UTC No. 221984
>WTK 7-8 at m1
Yeah, he's coming for that kinboshi
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 05:16:04 UTC No. 221985
>>221928
>forgetting based Nishikigi
>>221934
Takayasu is a mountain of raw masculinity. Don’t underestimate that
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 05:33:38 UTC No. 221988
>>221444
>had some shit to do so couldn't get on that /sumo/ for a few days
>new thread was started on Monday
>already in autosage
Jesus fuck, you madlads.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 05:44:07 UTC No. 221990
>>221988
Why the fuck do you people use the term "autosage"?
Bump limit. It's a bump limit.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 06:05:18 UTC No. 221991
>>221928
>>221932
>>221934
are you guys blind? have you seen Mitoryu?
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 06:37:22 UTC No. 221992
>>221990
you must be new here, it's autosage not bump limit
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 06:58:12 UTC No. 221993
>>221735
>he unironically looks like fat Joseph Gordon-Levitt with the glasses on
God dammit.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 07:00:47 UTC No. 221994
>>221752
BREAMING THE CUBE
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 07:02:19 UTC No. 221995
tatsunami okami > futagoyama okami
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 07:02:27 UTC No. 221996
>>221991
You would never guess that he is 30 years old. Sumo fucks the wrestlers' shit up.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 07:04:03 UTC No. 221997
>>221774
Webm of this?
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 07:12:09 UTC No. 221998
>>221992
user was banned for this post
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 08:31:19 UTC No. 222004
>>221996
definitely, i'm 3 years older than Tamawashi and that dude looks like 55 lmao
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:02:34 UTC No. 222006
>>222001
>this is also izori
fuck's sake
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:04:01 UTC No. 222007
>>222005
Good move from JSA or a blunder of the decade? We'll see in 2 months
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:15:24 UTC No. 222009
>>222007
Even if he goes 15-0 people will still say he is a disaster.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:26:38 UTC No. 222010
>>222007
>blunder of the decade
Doubtful that a Hoshoryu implosion would even crack the top ten.
Harumafuji scandal, Takanohana scandal, Asanoyama scandal, Isegahama scandal of 2022, Nakagawa scandal, Kasugano scandal of 2018, Osunaarashi scandal, the Kobayashi consultancy scandal - what other major ones am I not thinking of? I'm sure there are several.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:46:39 UTC No. 222012
>>222005
GODshoryu i kneel
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:55:19 UTC No. 222013
Hosh's last 8-7 was him injured btw. Tatsunami Oyakata outright said it.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:23:42 UTC No. 222018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBu
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:27:36 UTC No. 222019
>>222005
aaaah my boy Hirado the tachimochi
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:32:36 UTC No. 222020
>>222013
We already knew that. We saw it happen when he threw Kotozakura in Nagoya.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:42:46 UTC No. 222021
>>222020
Pretty sure there was someone crying about Hosh's 2024 record.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:54:36 UTC No. 222023
>>222021
several idiots yes
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:59:44 UTC No. 222024
>>222018
>Hosh banging a drum as the cucks make his chadrope
Kino. Also why tf was Shishi there?
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 11:03:22 UTC No. 222025
>>222024
Same ichimon.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 12:04:09 UTC No. 222027
>>222022
He'll be just like grandpa; ozeki most of his career, then yokozuna for a year or so.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 12:44:47 UTC No. 222028
>>221708
As a heemster
I was pretty impressed with salt man’s performance instead of ring outing his opponent he kept pushing him down making his big opponent keep picking up that weight before getting a tko if you’ve ever been in a fight being made to stand up over and over again can wear down the legs.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 12:51:15 UTC No. 222029
>>222027
I just don’t understand why guys like Zak kotoshoho or Hakuoho do the teru route they all have more than enough money stocked up to take a year off heal and storm back up Zak probably can’t because he’s 27 so the best he can do is go 8-0 next tournament kyujo and then miss the next tournament entirely to heal. Sumo needs to change the rules about kyujo.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 13:05:46 UTC No. 222030
>>222029
More guys don't do what teru did because it's a risky prospect that takes 2 years minimum, and if it doesn't work out then you've wasted two of the prime years of your career. It seems much safer (and more honoraburu) to keep grinding away. I do agree that there should be changes to the kyujo system. While seeing everyone fighting injuries is entertaining in a way, it's also cutting careers short and fucking up guys for life. You'd think with the wrestler shortage they would want to change things to keep guys around, not make the conditions worse like they did.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 13:07:19 UTC No. 222031
>>222029
>they all have more than enough money stocked up to take a year off heal and storm back up
There's no guarantee it will work. See Asanoyama.
>Sumo needs to change the rules about kyujo
Absolutely. All they need to do is reinstate koushou.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 13:20:45 UTC No. 222032
>>222011
Shit like that is so weird because it's some nobody jonidan pretending he's a big shot.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 13:23:52 UTC No. 222033
>>222031
Asa just has evil spirits his acl and foot injury was unexpected he made it to k little over a year after his suspension he absolutely tore up the lower ranks.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 13:39:11 UTC No. 222034
>>222005
I did not like his soft promotion, but he looks like a Yokozuna. Kakuryu and Harumafuji aways felt weird in a tsuna rope. He's also much bigger than he was one year ago, looking good.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 13:52:40 UTC No. 222037
>>222033
>he absolutely tore up the lower ranks
That's probably what caused the injury. Guy was giving 200% effort to make it back as quick as possible and wore himself out.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 15:03:41 UTC No. 222044
>>222038
Hakuho is my favorite
I particularly enjoy his style of saluting or whatever you want to call it, the arm portion of the dohyo iri
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 15:05:29 UTC No. 222045
>>222037
This is why Teru told Enho to fight each division differently. To fight in sandanme, fight like a sandanme wrestler and so on
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 15:16:14 UTC No. 222047
We might see Nabatame being higher rank than Roga on the next banzuke
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:24:53 UTC No. 222053
>>222036
>that Ichinojo
My sides
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:25:31 UTC No. 222054
>>222005
>bringing the guy who almost killed your yokozuna run as an attendant for your first dohyo-iri
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:31:23 UTC No. 222055
>>221957
post wife
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:31:36 UTC No. 222056
>>222054
Not like his yokozuna promotion could be any more embarrassing at this point do what does it matter
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:33:34 UTC No. 222058
>>222001
THE NEXT URAAAAA
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:36:24 UTC No. 222059
>>222010
Miyagino stable scandal, Shikihide stable scandal, Hibikiryu death incident, Takanofuji/Takagenji scandal
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:42:29 UTC No. 222060
>>222010
How could you forget the wallet gluing
And I don't know if it counts as a scandal by Japanese standards but Ryuden sure made a lot of r/sumoids seethe.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:38:30 UTC No. 222064
>>222055
She's a folk singer. Asians have never really done it for me, like at all, especially SE Asians (they're very simian-like) but she's not bad looking at all. Probably a solid 7 on the Nip Scale.
>5'2 and probably 100lbs
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:53:12 UTC No. 222066
>>222065
>filename
Kek
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:23:51 UTC No. 222072
>>222064
The greatest trick the Orientals ever pulled was convincing people that it's blacks that look like monkeys.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:31:27 UTC No. 222073
>>222066
Well there is a pretty solid hard line divide between South East and East Asians. Look at Chinese as an example. Southern Chinese look like human monkeys. Northern Chinese don't (obviously there is intermixing now and lots of movement but you get my point) and muh pvre Koreans don't either. Japanese who aren't too mixed with SEA also don't look like the Missing Link. A lot of it comes down to facial development and due to diet and functional issues there just isnt as many good looking skulls around today. That isn't to say that Asian men are incapable of looking good of course, but Chad (like the guy all the way on the right) and Stacy are as much as separate species that transcends racial boundaries as they are a simple deviation from the norm.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:32:40 UTC No. 222074
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:49:03 UTC No. 222076
>>222073
The guy on the left looks italian. Where the orginal japs from the eurasian steppe? Kinbozan was the real jap all along. When did koreans make their way to japan and start mixing it all up.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:49:06 UTC No. 222077
>>222072
huh? I'm pretty sure it didn't come just from the Orientals.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:52:11 UTC No. 222078
>>222073
Really, it's the little things like the shape of the nose, the abnormally long "sideburns", and the subtle balance of the facial features. None of the people in your picture have the true "monkey" look, but some Asians do, and once you're aware of it, it's very obvious.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 19:10:21 UTC No. 222079
>>222076
Important to note that the "latecomers from Korea" were still 300 BC and well established in the heartland of Japan by the time they imported the ability to write from China. The foundation myth of the civilized amatsukami coming from heaven to overthrow and tame the chaotic and uncivilized kunitsukami was a metaphor for the Yayoi becoming dominant over the Jomon. Everything you know about Japanese culture is Yayoi; the Jomon ended up being relegated to hunter-gatherer Ainu tribes.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 19:24:39 UTC No. 222080
Kimura Kankuro has received 1 basho suspension + salary reduction for violent behavior. He pinched a junior gyoji on day 5 of Kyushu basho, causing a subcutaneous hemorrhage.
lmao.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 19:26:21 UTC No. 222081
>>222080
What a mongoloid
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 19:43:23 UTC No. 222082
>>222078
>None of the people in your picture have the true "monkey" look
Yeah that was my point. Japs are generally the least apish, #2 are Koreans, #3 are North Chinese. Then it just gets more monkey mode from there.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:18:05 UTC No. 222088
>>222080
You laugh, but a good pinch hurts far more than a punch, and the bruise is much more dramatic. It's definitely bizarre to see it happening amongst grown men in a professional setting, though - the world of sumo is adorably strange.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:21:33 UTC No. 222099
>>221913
He did a fake MMA fight
Scared to fight for real! Sad!
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:36:39 UTC No. 222102
>>222064
Okay, I realize that this is a form of simp thinking, but it still to this day always shocks me to know that a delicate, tiny pastel-wearer like this is turned on by getting rawdogged by a giant hairy ape guy to the point that she locked him down. The shit going on inside their heads is just so fucking invisible on the outside, it spins me. At least with a goth bitch or whatever you can read her brain problems in the shitty tats.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:41:56 UTC No. 222104
>>222102
Maybe it's not about sex but about being married to a great man and his strong sense of purpose giving your own life purpose.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:46:32 UTC No. 222107
>>222105
And besides, don't act like you don't want a sweaty Takayasu to take you in the missionary position.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 22:06:15 UTC No. 222111
>>222080
was it on the ass cheek?
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 22:24:50 UTC No. 222115
>>222088
Anon, the gyoji dress in hot pink silk gowns from the Heian period.
You think a single one of those guys is straight? The fucking hairdressers must be more invested in pussy.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:49:37 UTC No. 222119
Miyabiyama ripping on nabatame for getting MK after being 7-4
lol
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:54:19 UTC No. 222120
>>222119
What timeline is this
Nabatame went 11-4
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:11:53 UTC No. 222121
>>222102
Well he's extremely tall for Japan, is large and imposing, wealthier than average, a famous celebrity, and a successful professional athlete. Those make him a nice target even if he isn't a model. Remember how women think, "I have a celebrity for a husband, I'm so pretty he chose me, I have him", etc.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:14:20 UTC No. 222122
>>222119
>ywn bust balls with your buddies over their tournament scores over lunch after training for 8 straight hours the day after the basho
Why even live
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:15:13 UTC No. 222123
>>222111
it was on the arm, apparently he did it like 5 times too
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:19:33 UTC No. 222124
>>222120
Futagoyama videos are on a 2 month delay basho.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:45:25 UTC No. 222128
>>222120
>Nabatamefag butthurt
lol
u mad
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 06:14:44 UTC No. 222148
>>222146
23
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 06:40:59 UTC No. 222149
>>222146
>2004
Holy shit that's worse than me and I look mid-late 30s in my mid 20s. I feel for the guy, I really do, but at least he has his hair (for now)!
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 06:47:44 UTC No. 222150
hosh just did his entrance at meiji. it for reals is official now
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 06:58:13 UTC No. 222151
>>222146
healthy 20yo american creatura
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 08:02:42 UTC No. 222155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQ
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 10:20:23 UTC No. 222157
>>222155
Still looks a little wobbly, but it is his first time. Would really like to see him develop his own take on it. I am glad it's Unryu, singular loop is kino.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 10:37:28 UTC No. 222158
>>222157
>>Unryu
that was expected since Asashoryu did it as well.
I like the last Tatsunami video, really great, they're getting better than Futagoyama imo, with neph in it as well, scolding the low-rankers haha
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 14:50:04 UTC No. 222168
>>222159
It's a man in his 50s screaming at 16 year olds who are legally under his care that he's going to throw them out on the street.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:26:51 UTC No. 222170
>>222159
>>222168
kicking and slapping used to be normal in the good old days, they did it even in jungyo, in front of people and all was good. Now? fucking pussies. People forget sumo is basically a boot-camp and you either make it or you collapse and run back to your mom.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:54:17 UTC No. 222172
>>222155
They taught a dog to hold a sword?!
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:06:06 UTC No. 222174
>>222173
That fruit bowl is pathetic.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:15:14 UTC No. 222175
>>222173
what's that thing on the left that looks like a stack of pizzas
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:27:55 UTC No. 222176
>>222174
It's Mongolia, getting any fresh fruit at all means they're as rich as princes.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:35:40 UTC No. 222177
>>222155
Nice.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:38:24 UTC No. 222178
>>222174
>bitching about a fruit bowl filled with fruit
You're special, aren't you pumpkin?
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:40:40 UTC No. 222180
God I wish they had raised the age limit of sumo earlier id fucking destroy these nips and Mongolians
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:59:21 UTC No. 222184
>>222181
>So Asashoryu you've been in Japan two days, how many service staff have you assaulted so far?
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:00:26 UTC No. 222185
>>222184
>Not nearly as many as I'm GONNA!
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:01:50 UTC No. 222186
>>222185
I wonder if he's planning on going to Tatsunami to spar with nephew. Would make for kino footage, but god help the rikishi there if they have to put up with him for any length of time.
>DID I EVER TELL YOU ABOUT THAT TIME I WAS A YOKOZUNA
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:10:12 UTC No. 222188
>>222181
This nigga was ready to adopt kinobozan and now he’s ridding nephews dick
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:10:30 UTC No. 222189
>>222181
Me on the left
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:25:29 UTC No. 222192
>>222190
Social media and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:29:08 UTC No. 222193
>>222181
Make them Beyond nugget soijaks and have them pointing at Hosh doing his dohyo-iri.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:41:46 UTC No. 222195
>>222166
Everyone in the public eye sooner or later has to bow their head to Moloch.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:47:54 UTC No. 222197
>>222190
its 'jak
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:49:11 UTC No. 222198
>>222196
Lmao
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:50:58 UTC No. 222200
>>222181
Who's the all smiles guy?
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:03:23 UTC No. 222203
>>222202
Asa in good company, I see.
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:31:45 UTC No. 222204
>>222201
How can one man be so based?
>>222203
Man, I can't believe Hoshoryu ended his first dohyo-iri ceremony by throwing up a Roman salute and declaring Total Nigger Death, Total Kike Death, Total Chink Death, and that Adolf Hitler was the reincarnation of Genghis Khan. What a statement!
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:43:25 UTC No. 222205
>>222204
>Total Rikishi Death
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:49:26 UTC No. 222207
>>222205
Total Mongol Sweep
10,000 years of perfected bokh
A boiled goat for every man
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:52:52 UTC No. 222208
>>222193
>soijaks
kys
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 19:33:18 UTC No. 222216
>>222213
I think that's Hoshoryu's father
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 19:34:14 UTC No. 222217
>>222216
With the exact same expression you'd have if you saw your former yokozuna brother pulling soijak expressions and taking photos for social media.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 19:39:45 UTC No. 222218
>>222217
I can't lie, my killing intent would flare.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:18:40 UTC No. 222220
>>222217
*after quasi-disowning your son and the entire country of Mongolia because a Kazakh almost won the basho
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:21:53 UTC No. 222221
>>222220
If simple image editing software on Linux didn't suck balls I'd take uncle's tweet after Onosato won September about his Mongolian era and dump the word Kazakh over the top of it.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:32:02 UTC No. 222222
Onosato next yokozuna
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:34:35 UTC No. 222223
>>222222
>that GET
zakbros??? our response???
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 21:12:47 UTC No. 222230
>>222222
E.Honda
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 21:18:34 UTC No. 222232
>>222230
Lmao no, the current E. Honda of ozumo is Daieisho.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 22:23:37 UTC No. 222236
>>222232
E. Honda is an Ozeki.
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 22:43:13 UTC No. 222237
>>222200
You can see Dr. T sitting front row usually towards the east edge of the row that faces the cameras about 20% or so of the time, if you're a true oldfag of /sumo/ then you're already familiar with him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nm
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 22:51:34 UTC No. 222238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmr
Anonymous at Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:30:16 UTC No. 222241
>>222240
fuck tubby gon do?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 00:32:45 UTC No. 222245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWC
Best video of Musashimaru teaching Hosh the unryu style.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 00:57:31 UTC No. 222249
>>222246
The absolute girth of this lad's labia.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:14:41 UTC No. 222250
>>222236
E. Honda could also make yokozuna if he wanted to, but doesn't because he goes kadoban every other tournament to participate in Street Fighter.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:30:11 UTC No. 222253
>>222196
kek
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:36:49 UTC No. 222254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vg
Reminder of what's awaiting Hosh in March. No fucking way someone as clearly competitive as Onosato will let him walk through a basho.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:55:34 UTC No. 222257
>>222254
Everyone is waiting for hoshoryu they can smell the easy kimboshi
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:56:54 UTC No. 222258
>all this non-stop media interview bullshit just to ask him the same questions over and over again
>dohyo-iri training to get things ready for his debut
>huge pressure to deliver the same performance from the last two bashos
Yeah, it's post-yusho fatigue time.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:57:11 UTC No. 222259
>>222257
It's spelled 金星 you fucking gaijin.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:57:50 UTC No. 222260
>>222254
I really hope Onosato becomes the Takanohana (dominant Japanese yokozuna in a heated rivalry) to Hoshoryu's Akebono (foreigner who takes advantage of weak non-yokozuna field).
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:58:32 UTC No. 222261
>>222259
I don’t speak moon runes faggot
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:59:01 UTC No. 222262
>>222260
It'd be a tough thing to do since Akebono's dominance came through sheer physical size. Dude had 4 inches on Onosato (not his dick hahaha).
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 01:59:43 UTC No. 222263
>>222259
ん is pronounced "m" before a "b," "p," or "m," sempai.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 02:42:32 UTC No. 222266
Why was takanohana hated you’d think they’d suck his meat since akebono was such a force with Musashimaru right behind him
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 02:59:28 UTC No. 222268
>>222266
Takanohana-yokozuna was loved, Takanohana-oyakata was a maverick radical who tried to upend the entire JSA and got pushback from everyone else because of it. Some of his proposals would later be adopted, especially after the gambling scandal reorganization that resulted in the JSA being declared a public interest foundation, but even in most western corporate hierarchies you're going to make no friends if you're a junior middle manager who declares that all your bosses are stupid and everyone should follow you instead, even if you're right.
He was also disliked for how he handled the Takanoiwa affair that resulted in Harumafuji resigning. The resignation was only to save face publicly due to Takanohana going to the police first and stonewalling any internal investigation, and they privately did not want Harumafuji gone.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:00:42 UTC No. 222269
>>222263
If you're a Victorian-era Brit, by all means. In the same way that Peking and Beijing are the same word.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:01:02 UTC No. 222270
>>222266
During his active years he was quite beloved by the general public. After retirement, what soured people's disposition towards him was the fuckery with trying to force himself into the rijicho chair as a youngster (30s to 40s) and breaking over a 100 years of tradition by making a new ichimon. That, and the bullying with Takaganja and the other scandals that made him persona non grata within the sport.
Wakanohana was always much cooler as well
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:11:59 UTC No. 222271
>>222268
>>222270
Also, his weird cult stuff that no one ever talks about. Supposedly, that's the reason he and Wakanohana cannot talk to each other anymore.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:23:50 UTC No. 222275
>>222271
are you talking about takanohana-gia or something else
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:15 UTC No. 222277
>>222259
stfu ken
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:50:49 UTC No. 222280
>>222269
Just because you default to a colloquial version of refined Hepburn doesn't mean it accurately captures how the words are pronounced in the native language. No single romanization can, that's why there's three officially recognized versions, plus a fourth for education, plus all the myriad previous versions of romanization before the official ones were standardized.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to Housyouryuu's debut as a yokoduna, hopefully he avenges his losses to Syoudai and Atamihuzi.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:14:39 UTC No. 222281
>>222258
I thought those flipflops had the Batman symbol on them for a few seconds. You know, Michael Keaton's.
>Tupac
lol wut.
>>222271
What cult stuff?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:22:32 UTC No. 222282
>>222258
THUG
LIFE
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:45:44 UTC No. 222284
>>222222
Digits confirm
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:46:21 UTC No. 222285
>>222281
>grows up in a super rich family, his uncle is one of the richest men in his country
>DUDE THUG LIFE AN SHEEIITT!!
>SRT8 FROM DA STREETZ NIGGA!!!
>ME HARD ASS FUCK GANGSTAAA!!!!
why are upper class nepobabbys so prone to this type of behavior?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:48:10 UTC No. 222286
>>222285
They covet acceptance and to be what they aren't because they know they had it easy(ier). Same reason that tall men and good looking people in general (but especially women) crave validation 24/7 like their life depends on it, because it does.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:48:42 UTC No. 222287
>>222285
Bro it's a Mongolian in Japan, why do you think he has any idea about western culture? He probably picked it up off the discount rack at a thrift store.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:51:44 UTC No. 222288
>>222275
>>222281
Pic related.
It's all incredibly murky, but he unironically believes that sumo started from Jacob wrestling the angel. He'll occasionally slip in deranged comments like that during Japanese interviews in which he otherwise seems perfectly unremarkable. 20 years ago, the leader of the group published a book about the world ending in 2012, and Takanohana was involved in the advertising campaign for it. Not sure I can find much more specific information without a huge amount of digging, but it's always been clear enough what this is.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:52:41 UTC No. 222289
>>222285
Maybe he just likes Tupac's music?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 04:59:02 UTC No. 222291
>>222288
>sumo started from Jacob wrestling the angel
Kino af. I kneel. Sometimes I wish I were crazy enough to really, truly believe in stuff like this. Must make life much more interesting. The New Age religion grift in the 2nd half of the 20th century was just insane.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 05:11:19 UTC No. 222292
>>222289
>Tupac's music?
bix nooding into a microphone over a prerecorded soundtrack isn't making music
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 05:20:44 UTC No. 222293
>>222292
No one cares about you 40 year old argument.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 05:24:21 UTC No. 222294
>>222289
>>222292
>>222293
I know a 40yo manic-depressive Jew who is a flat earther and a drug addict who gets into 3 month long arguments on facebook with his boomer relatives over Tupac being akin to Jesus and how he was assassinated by the government because he was revealing flat earth secrets in his music
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 07:51:07 UTC No. 222302
>>222285
Sumo wrestlers end up wearing a lot of random american shirts and brands because its the only things they fit into.
You see it all the time across various stables and lower rankers.
Stop looking for reasons to get angry.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 08:11:36 UTC No. 222304
>>222258
PHD in thuganomics
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 09:35:07 UTC No. 222307
https://youtu.be/V_2O-I5OqvY?si=Y53
First Hoshoryu dohyo-iri in the Kokugikan, Tokushoryu retirement event. Being Yokozuna is alot of work, hope the pay is worth it.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 09:44:54 UTC No. 222308
>>222303
it's funny how fast you go from yokozuna (or any rank) to a servant in hanamichi.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 10:08:54 UTC No. 222309
>>222308
It must be cool to be there in person and have a yokozuna show you to your seat.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 12:23:17 UTC No. 222313
>>222307
>have the man you cucked out of a basho just one week ago be your dew sweeper
lmao
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 12:24:27 UTC No. 222314
>>222245
Why does Musashimaru look so slow?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 12:29:06 UTC No. 222315
Why are people forgetting asa was a fucking asshole? Ig when you’re le matrix man you get a free pass to be a piece of shit.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 12:32:10 UTC No. 222316
>>222314
He was always like that. Even looked bored during some of his bouts, despite obviously being very focused. His dohyo-iri was chill as fuck too.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 12:33:30 UTC No. 222317
>>222315
Don't think they are. He's just too good meme material to pass up the lulz.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:50:52 UTC No. 222333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sca
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:00:41 UTC No. 222336
>>222334
why the fuck does he have the John Cena phenotype?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:54:47 UTC No. 222338
>>222334
he looks more badass than asa in his prime
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:56:22 UTC No. 222341
>>222338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV9
Holy fucking wrong, my man.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:57:34 UTC No. 222342
>>222315
His shit talk on Hoshoryu on twitter is fun
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 16:12:16 UTC No. 222344
>>222222
So let it be written
So let it be done
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 18:49:57 UTC No. 222349
how the FUCK do more people post about sumo than judo or bjj
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 18:51:24 UTC No. 222350
>>222349
Sumo is the king of combat sports
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 18:54:58 UTC No. 222351
>>222349
Pro sumo has a 15 day tournament every other month. Top level martial arts is either the Olympics or UFC.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 19:04:30 UTC No. 222353
>>222307
he actually got promoted?
I thought everyone was joking about that
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 19:10:55 UTC No. 222356
>>222353
Spiffy did a nice video on it >>222333
Although the pandering with the retard kid makes me like Hosh less, not more.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 19:22:10 UTC No. 222358
>>222355
>Hoshoryu v Kotoeiho, 2025
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 19:34:21 UTC No. 222359
>>222349
Hosh getting promoted is a bit controversial
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 19:59:59 UTC No. 222361
>>222360
12-3JY isn't considered a yusho equivalent. Simple as.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 23:47:10 UTC No. 222373
>>221861
Juice traps
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 23:51:15 UTC No. 222374
I just watched Kotoeiho for the first time. Can you imagine being his opponent and getting mogged so hard before the match even starts? That shiko is a thing of beauty.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Feb 2025 23:55:08 UTC No. 222377
>>222258
MONG
LIFE
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 00:16:33 UTC No. 222381
>>222374
When he gets to makuuchi and faces Abi we will finally get the ultimate shiko showdown
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 01:56:36 UTC No. 222386
>>222377
>WE WUZ GENGIS KHAN AN SHEIIIIIIITTTT!!!
>WE WUZ KHANGZ MUFFUGGUH!!
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 02:05:07 UTC No. 222387
>>222360
JSA is deathly afraid of being accused to racism so they hold mongs to lower standards than they do with Japanese. Thats why mongs get away with having zero hinkaku and ruining sumo's public image by having late night drunken bar brawls and skipping bashos to play soccer in ulanbaatar
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 02:07:00 UTC No. 222388
>>222315
What are you talking about? We rip on him all the time ITT.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 02:09:45 UTC No. 222389
>>222386
Well I mean... in the defense of those hypothetical Mongol hoteps, Genghis Khan WAS Mongolian. The actual hoteps are just stolen-valoring the copts.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 02:23:33 UTC No. 222390
>>222349
>frequent regular tournaments
>free to watch
>thing, japan
>>222356
How is it pandering? He’s been friends with the kid since 2019.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 06:04:56 UTC No. 222398
>>222390
There's no reason to have a retard around other than pandering
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 06:34:54 UTC No. 222401
>>222398
that kid is his japanese mom's son..
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 06:41:23 UTC No. 222402
>>222401
So? You can suck his dick over it on every other site. Here, I'm going to tell you I don't give a damn about retards or people that parade them around.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:26:42 UTC No. 222407
>>222395
That poor back wheel.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:33:45 UTC No. 222408
>>222402
i dont care about it or your opinion dimwit. I just wrote a fact that it's not a charade or something he's doing. he knows the kid so he took him in the parade car.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:11:22 UTC No. 222411
>>222407
Yep, them spokes be poppin'.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 14:49:10 UTC No. 222414
TOP TIER
kinbozan's forehead cleft
HIGH TIER
oho's superfluous third nipple
MID TIER
kotozaukura's nape of skin tags
LOW TIER
hokutofuji's bald balding spot
SHIT TIER
mitakeumi's cavernous acne scars
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 15:14:47 UTC No. 222418
>>222408
Then why didn't he take every other kid he knows?
>because this one is a retard
>therefore it's pandering
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 15:47:13 UTC No. 222421
>I don't care about X
>proceeds to endlessly seethe about X
every time
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:09:29 UTC No. 222422
>Hoshoryu already made his first mistake as yokozuna
That didn't take long
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:12:22 UTC No. 222423
>>222422
hostess pussy is just too strong
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:22:50 UTC No. 222424
>>222421
You mean like you're doing now?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:24:40 UTC No. 222425
>>222422
what happened?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:26:42 UTC No. 222426
>>222422
>Mongolian
>has no hinkaku
Gee nobody could have seen this coming
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:29:41 UTC No. 222427
>>222425
Made a mistake in dohyo-iri
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:40:26 UTC No. 222429
>>222415
Why is his body like this? Are those stretch marks or something?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:44:06 UTC No. 222430
>>222429
happens when you gain weight too quickly and your skin can't adapt, a lot of rikishi have them but Kinbo seems to be the worst offender.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:56:56 UTC No. 222432
>>222427
No mistakes, he's just debuting Hoshoryu particular style.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 17:05:54 UTC No. 222433
>>222432
Sumo historians will mislabel this as the Hitachiyama style, while labelling the Hitachiyama style as the Hoshoryu style.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 18:12:24 UTC No. 222439
What did Hosh actually do that was supposedly wrong? There's wiggle room here and there, like left hand position in the squatting part. Uncle's hand rubbing was vigorous as fuck and his fingers were fully spread for his claps.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 18:22:52 UTC No. 222440
>>222439
For the two stomps after the shuffle forward, he's supposed to raise his left arm then stomp, then raise his right arm then stomp again. Before the last stomp he rose his left arm then his right.
Kisenosato made the exact same mistake on his first and it's really not a big deal, people just have nothing else to talk about right now.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 18:24:02 UTC No. 222441
>>222440
>dohyo iri (forma de kisenosato)
dios mio...
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:00:31 UTC No. 222448
>>222418
why would you take a random kid instead the one of your japanese mom's which took care of him when he came to japan? that would be an absolute insult to her.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:01:41 UTC No. 222449
>>222439
japanese shitty media picking on mongolian yokozuna. if it was onosato, nobody would dare to say a word.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:02:27 UTC No. 222450
>>222449
Imagine being scared of Onosato when you can just reach for his throat.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:35:13 UTC No. 222451
>unironically seething over steppe chads
maybe the nihonese shouldn't be so shit at sumo. It's been 30 years since they started getting dicked down by big foreign cock, enough time to breed a new generation yet every time a nippon is close to the rope, they shart the bed in a spectacular way.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:42:51 UTC No. 222452
>>222451
Takakeisho was just as close to the rope as Hoshoryu, they just didn't give him a pity rope. Hoshoryu's nowhere near as strong as the old mongolian guard yet.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:56:34 UTC No. 222454
Best match of the basho was the senshuraku Nabatame-Aonishiki contest with Nabatame throwing out a punishing barrage of slaps and trusts while Aonishiki absorbed them determined to get inside. Aonishiki withstood a massive walloping before he was able to win, he would've been in bad shape if there had been a playoff.
If Nabatame can fight like that consistently then he will rise way up in the rankings.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:57:56 UTC No. 222455
>>222452
Keisho came up short twice in weak bashos, one of which he had a fusen freebie yet couldn't secure the title, and the other was won by a mid-maegashira. Hoshoryu came up short in a strong basho won by a fellow ozeki. This is why Hoshoryu's was considered an equivalent and Takakeisho's was not.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:59:13 UTC No. 222456
>>222452
Meatball in no way ever had a showing as strong as the Hosh playoff victory. Instead he henkaed Atamifuji for a yusho. He would have had henkaku instead of hinkaku.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:08:50 UTC No. 222457
>>222452
Takakeisho never got the rope because while 12-3 can be a yusho, a 12-3J isn't considered a yusho equivalent. And that's before considering Hosh's incredible effort in the playoff. The JSA were impressed at how despite his fatigue his style of sumo never changed; he was always forward-leaning and aggressive as ever even in his 3rd bout inside 20 minutes.
Moment of silence for Zak on this one desu. He was clearly hurt, but refused to drop out once kadoban because if Hosh was going to rope, he wanted to be one of the rikishi to be gatekeeping it since this was supposed to be his moment. I imagine Zak's left leg was in incredible pain that fight, and yet it was possibly his best fight of the basho.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:09:50 UTC No. 222459
>>222454
My favourite was Nabatame vs Shishi. Nabatame was able to push Shishi to ropes but Shishi was able to keep his defence up and wear Nabatame down, and when he started his own offence Nabatame parried and ostiaoshi'd Shishi
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:11:56 UTC No. 222461
>>222457
>And that's before considering Hosh's incredible effort in the playoff.
Beating Oho and Kinbozan isn't an "incredible effort". It's impossible to have a "strong yusho" right now. He was promoted too soon and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:12:19 UTC No. 222462
>>222460
Yes, you can even hear loud grunt when he releases it
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:15:04 UTC No. 222463
>>222461
>seething immeasurably
I know we joke about it here all the time, but are you literally a Zakfag? Is that what this is?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:16:31 UTC No. 222464
>>222461
Winning 3 fights inside 20 minutes against top competition is the effort you gaylord. When's the last time a 3 way playoff didn't contain a henka?
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:18:16 UTC No. 222466
>>222463
No, Zak also shouldn't be Yokozuna.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:20:52 UTC No. 222467
>>222462
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AYRY
Lmao you actually can.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:36:51 UTC No. 222469
>>222454
Nabatame missed with his big slaps, 2 times... probably would've won otherwise.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:42:52 UTC No. 222470
>>222464
I think literally the only other tomoesen in the last 25-30 years was the one in 2022 between Takakeisho, Abi and somebody. (I actually can't remember if anybody pulled a jank.)
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:48:49 UTC No. 222473
>>222469
Please understand he just learned how to use it two days before that match
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 21:51:43 UTC No. 222474
That guy running ELO for sumo still has Asanoyama in the top 5 and has Takeru at 6. Damn.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 22:28:58 UTC No. 222476
>>222474
Obviously doesn't include injuries as losses.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 22:35:49 UTC No. 222477
>>222476
True lmao, Hokuseiho is still up there.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Feb 2025 22:36:51 UTC No. 222478
>>222476
Also, this means if we remove inactive rikishi then Takeru is the 4th best right now.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 06:48:52 UTC No. 222495
It seems we have entered the between basho lull
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 07:53:40 UTC No. 222496
>>222486
Guy is still fat as fuck
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 11:25:55 UTC No. 222501
>>222497
Context? Asashoryu visiting his former stable since he's already in Japan?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:22:44 UTC No. 222506
>>222470
It was Takakeisho, Abi and Takayasu, Abi won
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:54:10 UTC No. 222507
>>222470
You must be kidding, because that’s probably the most famous henka in many years. It’s why everyone hates Abi now. He fucked Takayasu out of a yusho
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 14:00:13 UTC No. 222508
>>222497
Asanoyama declares he is raring to go for March. Takasago-beya moved to its new premises and many visitors came, including ex-Asasohuryuu. "This is my last chance so I will do my best. The oyakata has built an excellent new heya for us so I feel I need to start from scratch and do my best. It's really frustrating that the new Yokozuna is born and I couldn't face him.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 14:51:31 UTC No. 222511
>>222507
>the most famous henka in many years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75H
https://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/news_po
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 15:07:41 UTC No. 222512
Is there going to be a way to watch the FujiTV tournament?
I'm not seeing a highlights compilation from most of the previous years on Youtube
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 15:12:59 UTC No. 222513
>>222512
Nope, they cancelled the live broadcast due to sponsors pulling out because of FujiTV's recent scandal. The tournament itself is still being held but the only way to watch it is to go to Tokyo and buy a ticket.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:25:45 UTC No. 222518
>Teru getting Isegahama confirmed
>Hakuho restarting Miyagino confirmed
>Asanoyama returning confirmed
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:27:54 UTC No. 222520
>>222518
Will Hakuoho be returning to Miyagino, or staying at Isegahama?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:28:35 UTC No. 222521
>>222520
He'll be returning to Miyagino...as a competitor!
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:28:57 UTC No. 222522
>>222520
He's restarting Miyagino
The stable is going to be reestablished
Same time as Teru sounded like
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:29:54 UTC No. 222524
>>222518
Teru acquiring his own plot of land to build a new Isegahama building, leaving the old one to Hakuho, was not a plot twist I saw coming, but it makes sense as a way to resolve logistical issues.
Hopefully Hakuho actually lives in his fucking stable building this time.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:32:20 UTC No. 222525
>>222522
>He's restarting Miyagino
HakuOho, not Hakuho.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:39:31 UTC No. 222527
>>222525
Oh my bad I misread. Nothing was said but I assume Hakuoho is going to stick with Miyagino even if he likes Isegahama. He only joined sumo because of Hakuho after all.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:43:34 UTC No. 222529
>>222520
There are still 12 ex-Miyagino still wrestling, so I imagine they'll stay with Hakuho while the rest move to the new building with Teru. The only real question will be the three guys who have joined Isegahama since the merge (plus whoever joins before the split), especially Kusano since he'll probably be a sekitori by then.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:44:47 UTC No. 222530
>>222518
>>222520
>>222524
>>222527
I'm still iffy on Hakuho's potential to be an oyakata. If he just doesn't make a similiar fuckup, his stable might produce some good sekitori simply by the virtue of attracting good talent.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:47:17 UTC No. 222531
>>222530
I mean, he got Hokuseiho and Ochiai signed up pretty quick, so there's no doubt Hakuho will be churning out top guys. Not to mention that with Hokuseiho gone there's a free foreigner slot for him.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:48:20 UTC No. 222532
>>222530
The truth is oyakata regularly fuck up, Hakuho's main problem was not living at his own stable. Other stablemasters, including foreigners, get leeway because it's assumed they have a better read on what's acceptable or not within their own walls, so any punishments are for saving face to the public. Hakuho got the hammer dropped on him because he was not living there to enforce discipline.
I'm dead serious, if all the Hokuseiho bullshit had still happened but Hakuho was living at his stable, none of this would've happened. He would've gotten a slap on the wrist and that's it.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 18:42:51 UTC No. 222536
>>222531
Hokuseiho was considered naturalized, so that foreigner slot wouldn't change because of his departure.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 18:47:04 UTC No. 222538
>>222532
Yeah, but also because he's Hakuho. He always walked that line of acceptable behaviour as a yokozuna, but no one could do shit because he was consistently the best and never actually fucked up. I would imagine a lot of elders were just waiting for him to hang up the mawashi so all those little things that added up over the years could be repaid.
That said, yeah, oyakatas fuck up all the damn time. It's kind of baffling when you start looking into it. I would imagine your average stable is a pretty toxic environment.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 18:50:43 UTC No. 222539
>>222538
Toxic is a gay modern buzzword.
Stables are places where strong, tough men live and train for combat. They shouldn't be an adult daycare.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:00:29 UTC No. 222540
>>222528
Gone but not forgotten.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:14:26 UTC No. 222542
>>222531
>he got Hokuseiho and Ochiai signed up pretty quick, so there's no doubt Hakuho will be churning out top guys
Ochiai was a mk tsukedashi prodigy who would've been sekitori at almost any other stable. It's more indicative of him snatching up top talent on name value than his skills as a coach. So far Hakuho hasn't managed to produce a home-grown talent that makes it past maegashira.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:24:04 UTC No. 222543
>>222539
You really fell for all the bullshit, eh?
I couldn't care less about buzzwords; when something is toxic, it's inefficient. Some people learn better with tough love, some even with Whiplash level tough love, but that's not what we see from all the stable scandals. It's just immature men lashing out at others with zero oversight.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:31:07 UTC No. 222544
>>222511
what an epic henka, this was the match Kotoshogiku need to get back to Ozeki rank but nope, he got fucking denied. Then Teru sharts against Kisenosato TWICE and gives him the Yusho. Beautiful Sumo days.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:41:32 UTC No. 222545
>>222538
>always
It didn't start until Kakuryu and especially later Kisenosato got promoted, which also coincided with him starting to run into injury trouble. Hakuho was thinking about retiring at the time (he admitted in an interview in Mongolia, unfortunately the translated version got taken down), and only kept going so he could be a sumo leader as an elder. But having to stay on for so long made him prioritize winning to set records, and putting the spotlight on himself, which resulted in his behaviour becoming less acceptable both on and off the dohyo. But before that he was considered a model yokozuna to contrast with Asashoryu (and Harumafuji but that wasn't until later). His worst criticism was that he was too good and made everything boring, but he was praised for his behaviour and ironman health helping to lead sumo out of the matchfixing scandals.
Hakuho is a perfect example of "live long enough to become a villain."
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:50:47 UTC No. 222546
>>222539
Stables are places where professional athletes live and work. They should be well managed, with adequate care taken to ensure that the athletes' physical and mental health is as good as possible. Employees of the JSA deserve to have a decent quality of life in the workplace, and sumo fans deserve to see sumo wrestlers that are in good condition and capable of putting on a good show. Yes, rikishi are strong, tough men - but strong, tough men are still people, and people shouldn't have to put up with all the bullshit that happens all too often in stables.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:53:22 UTC No. 222548
>>222539
Anyone who actually seriously trains for anything competitively physical knows the difference between soreness and real pain. The former is your body exerting itself to such a degree that it will rebuild itself stronger. The latter is something in your body breaking to the point where you body is weaker and will always be weaker going forward with a higher chance of reinjury. Crossing that line between soreness and pain is where something stops being hard training and starts being bullshit.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:56:31 UTC No. 222549
>>222545
>But having to stay on for so long made him prioritize winning to set records, and putting the spotlight on himself, which resulted in his behaviour becoming less acceptable both on and off the dohyo.
Did he actually have to stay on for so long just to get elder stock? And if he truly wanted to stay on long, wouldn't chasing records be counterproductive? He was plenty famous already.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:57:24 UTC No. 222550
>>222539
So you'd be fine with Hokuseiho just straight up stabbing someone?
>JUST BE TOUGHER BROOOOOO
Fuck off. There's a line between tough dudes being tough dudes, and dudes being pieces of shit.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:58:34 UTC No. 222551
Konishiki says injuries show who the real warriors are
>we don't have a off season
>- look at my fingers all
>broken and my shoulders all screwed up both
>knees are bad and your body takes a toll but
>that's where it separates the men from the boys because the guys >who can handle it
>and fight through the pain and just go through it,
>it's the real warriors of sumo because
>not everybody can make it eighty percent,
>ninety percent ain't gonna make it
>only the top ten will fight and make it and fight in the top division at
>high level
https://youtu.be/i4GD-Sx2dFs?t=390
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 19:59:39 UTC No. 222553
>>222539
>They shouldn't be an adult daycare.
He doesn't even realise he just burned himself.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:01:17 UTC No. 222554
>>222539
Kasugano-oyakata, don't you have a prestigious stable to run down?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:01:41 UTC No. 222555
>>222551
Injuries during bouts are unavoidable, injuries during training are stupid and only make for worse bouts. Even the most callous idiot in the world should want to avoid injuries during training because it reduces the quality of the spectacle. It's BEYOND stupid to think it's okay to allow that kind of shit in the stables.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:04:35 UTC No. 222556
>>222549
>Did he actually have to stay on for so long just to get elder stock?
Yes because you need to be a Japanese citizen, which requires giving up your previous citizenship because Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship, and that didn't happen until 2019. He could have (and probably should have) applied for it earlier, but didn't out of respect for his father, who didn't pass away until 2018.
Keep in mind all these records weren't just to put his name in the historical books, but also staying on as yokozuna meant continuing to rub elbows with elite sponsors for stuff like buying elder stock (which still happens even though it's not supposed to), raising funds for his new stable building (which got cancelled when his stable was merged), and running the Hakuho Cup. Prestige buys influence, and despite JSA's internal politics, the prestige of an active yokozuna is greater than a bottom-rung elder.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:05:30 UTC No. 222557
>>222555
>injuries during training are stupid and only make for worse bouts
Zak-san...
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:08:23 UTC No. 222558
>>222518
the source is what? some tabloid?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:11:53 UTC No. 222559
>>222556
Completely forgot about his father. Really retarded, that bit. What if the old man lived to 100? As for the rest, I think he could've half assed it and stayed on longer, fucking his health up less, but it wasn't his way. Too proud for it.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:31:32 UTC No. 222561
>>222558
Lord Chris Sumo savior of the western sumo journalism.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:33:10 UTC No. 222562
>>222561
That's not how you use "the", ESL-kun.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Feb 2025 23:02:16 UTC No. 222571
>>222551
>>222555
Muscle building and flexibility exercises as well as warming up before bouts would prevent 90% of minor injuries and make some serious ones minor instead. Some are simply unavoidable, but mitigation and prevention should be emphasized regardless. There's no having that conversation without talking about kyujo rules, though... I'd rather not repeat that one.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 01:49:37 UTC No. 222577
>>222554
kek
Shitposting online is probably part of his shirking schedule. I'd imagine he prefers 2ch, though.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 03:19:47 UTC No. 222586
>>222559
>Completely forgot about his father. Really retarded, that bit. What if the old man lived to 100?
It wasn't just some arbitrary idea he came up with to honor his dad. As I understand it, Hak's father had apparently regularly insisted that he remain Mongolian whenever the suggestion of becoming Japanese arose, and had yelled at his son about it, but he relented on his deathbed and told him to go his own way (according to Hak).
It's entirely possible he may have told his son something like
>You can be Japanese when I'm dead and buried!
But Hak wouldn't publicize that.
And I can't remember where I got this from, but I have a vague memory of a story that Hakuhou was first permitted by his father to go to Japan only under the condition that he return to Mongolia some day. That may or may not be real.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 06:37:19 UTC No. 222594
>>222038
Always thought Kakuryu's was incredibly graceful so it's nice to see Hosh performing Unryu
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 08:56:39 UTC No. 222597
>>222038
Asashoryu for me. Crazy how even in something as rigidly performed as a dohyo-iri the man still exuded violent aura.
>Those spread finger claps
>That audible thud on each stomp
It's those shoulders man. Dude looked like he was carrying a pair of cannonballs around.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:09:30 UTC No. 222610
>>222597
I like his too. I wish more rikishi had that kind of intense presence. I like the warriors a lot more than the sportsmen.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:12:05 UTC No. 222611
>>222610
It's more fitting with sumo ritual, since they're supposed to be showing the strength of humanity to the gods to prove they're worthy of a good harvest.
If they're a bunch of pussified henka merchants who give up easily then it will anger the gods instead, hence Japan's presently weak economy.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 19:50:16 UTC No. 222620
new iseghamaslop has arrived
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UY
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 20:01:35 UTC No. 222623
>>222611
We can only hope nephew ups his dohyo-iri game once he's done it a bunch.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 20:21:52 UTC No. 222624
>>222620
Wait, shit, Takkers is now the stable's highest ranked rikishi right? Teru is dead and Atamin flopped too hard. Damn that was fast.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 21:57:13 UTC No. 222626
>>222622
>le jonokuchi veteran face
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 21:57:38 UTC No. 222627
Will Hoshoryu have to act more serious now that he is Yokozuna?
I remember some video a year or two ago where Hoshoryu, Abi and the others were playing around while Takakeisho and Terunofuji were stoically silent in the background as the two top senior guys.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 22:00:56 UTC No. 222628
>>222627
I don't think that goofball could be serious inside the heya to save his life
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 23:11:51 UTC No. 222632
>>222627
He should but he won't
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 23:22:28 UTC No. 222633
>>222620
>Isegahama oyakata wearing an jinbaori with a western suit
looks weird with the clashing style man, he should've gone with a kimono
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 23:41:02 UTC No. 222636
>>222633
The wierd part is, he ain't the only one. Saw a few others with the same combo. Guessing a lot of officials just don't care all that much.
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 23:47:11 UTC No. 222637
>>222636
I'd wear a kimono if I wouldn't look like a huge weeb
I bet they're comfortable, I've never tried one on
Anonymous at Tue, 4 Feb 2025 23:58:54 UTC No. 222638
>>222637
I wear some vintage haori around the house because its giga comfy, full length kimono or bathrobes are uncomfortable in chairs desu.
I really want to get a nice hanten for next winter though.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 00:40:47 UTC No. 222639
>>222638
Based
I only have a katana, I have been thus far been able to restrain myself from buying japanese clothing
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 02:30:06 UTC No. 222645
>>222538
>He always walked that line of acceptable behaviour as a yokozuna,
>always
hakuho was the golden boy early in his career. the jsa turned him into this. People forget he was a yokozuna since 2007 and only remember the last 3rd of his tenure
>>222542
>Ochiai was a mk tsukedashi prodigy
Sure, but hokuseiho has a double digit iq and hakuho got him to the top division at ~22
>>222544
>this was the match Kotoshogiku need to get back to Ozeki
it wasn't. he lost to shitters that an ozeki shouldn't have lost to. everyone always blames the last match.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 02:43:12 UTC No. 222647
>>222645
>he lost to shitters that an ozeki shouldn't have lost to
This. Flubbing that Ikioi match was grim, and entirely on him.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 02:45:51 UTC No. 222648
>>222645
>it wasn't. he lost to shitters that an ozeki shouldn't have lost to. everyone always blames the last match.
This is correct and he probably would've lost to Teru in a fair fight, the reason people hate Teru is he didn't give Shogi a fair fight, especially since Teru was an ozeki going for a title.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 03:03:36 UTC No. 222657
>>222648
>the reason people hate Teru is he didn't giveuu Shogi a fair fight,
I agree with this to an extent, but i feel like ozeki shouldn't be able to be btfo that badly by a henka. honestly using a henka on an ozeki and up should put the guy doing it at a disadvantage at least half the time by being out of position against a good opponent
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 03:51:51 UTC No. 222666
>>222657
Even strong yokozuna can be caught off guard by a henka they're not expecting.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 04:14:15 UTC No. 222667
>>222528
I still think the JSA could not have handled that shit in a worse way if they had tried.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 04:16:58 UTC No. 222668
>>222539
Money talks and defunct sports don't have voices.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 04:36:46 UTC No. 222669
>>222667
Ignoring it would have been handling it worse. Or firing him then saying "he is no longer a rikishi so this is no longer our problem", which is a classic Association move.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 04:38:50 UTC No. 222670
>>222669
What they did encourages a wrestler to never again speak up about such actions. The end result was that the people who had suffered got their careers up ended and were effectively punished for having been victims. It is utterly stupid and only encourages people to stay silent, because you are punishing the victims for speaking out. I have to assume it was their goal. Fuck everyone over so other wrestlers learn to just shut their mouths about this shit.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 06:17:55 UTC No. 222677
>>222670
>What they did encourages a wrestler to never again speak up about such actions.
I believe you're right that that was the effect, but I don't believe that was the NSK's intention. I think putting everyone under Isegahama was meant to say to the public "those kids are safe now with this superior oyakata".
Honestly, so much of this is a knock-on effect of the rikishi not having the freedom to change heya.
Example: If Raihou wants to leave Miyaginobeya, Hakuhou is going to want to know why. If it's because Hokuseihou is beating the shit out of him then, one way or another, that's going to be addressed. If Hakuhou doesn't fix the problem, now the media is going to be asking both him and Raihou why he left.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 06:23:39 UTC No. 222678
>>222670
>Teach wrestlers to shut the fuck up
>Fuck Hakuho in all ways possible
>Get rid of Hokuseiho and his lame ass sumo brand
it was perfect for the JSA, almost looks scripted. They couldn't have gotten a better opportunity to fuck Hakuho, they got him to clean toilets @ kokugikan and then lock him in chastity for years to come. Now he makes a mistake or something in the future and he's out for good.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:05:39 UTC No. 222681
Babe, new bullying scandal just dropped.
Apparently, some tabloid is saying it's Tobizaru now: https://www.dailyshincho.jp/article
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:30:46 UTC No. 222682
>>222681
Not the heccin' wholesome monkey chungus! Say it ain't so, /sumo/!
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 13:16:19 UTC No. 222687
>>222684
>WHERE'S MY FUCKING MONEY TOBI
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 13:39:49 UTC No. 222689
>Shozaru would often invite women over to his home, probably because he wanted to avoid spending money on eating out. When he did so, he would make even the younger attendants who were not attendants cook dishes like hotpot, and as soon as they were done, he would immediately send them home. I've heard that he would often force them to do odd jobs unrelated to sumo, like suddenly telling them to 'go buy some sanitary napkins and women's underwear
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 13:41:57 UTC No. 222690
After all the bullshit they put hakuho through for some mongoloid glueing wallets and slapping nuts those sneaky japs at the jsa better come down hard on tobizaru and that stable.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 13:42:42 UTC No. 222692
>>222690
Let a proper investigation happen before you start burning people at the stake.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 14:06:38 UTC No. 222694
>>222692
The story is being posted because there are people who have investigated and because the NSK is currently mid-investigation. Also, this paper is the same one which publicized the Hokuseihou information weeks before the NSK announced anything.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 14:08:05 UTC No. 222695
>>222694
>there are people who have investigated
Gee let me guess, random fucks on social media?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 14:28:30 UTC No. 222696
>>222695
No, a newspaper which learned that something had happened, collated accounts from sources, and published an article detailing the apparent course of events such that you are presently aware of and able to discuss what is alleged.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 15:00:36 UTC No. 222697
god I hope Toby gets sent down to Jonidan 99
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 15:08:39 UTC No. 222698
Would be funny if all this with Tobi happened because he thought he was hot shit over technically ending a yokozuna's career.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 16:55:39 UTC No. 222702
WHEN'S THE BANZUKE
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 17:00:29 UTC No. 222703
>>222702
It's almost always the Monday after the last Sunday of the preceding month, although for this one it'll be Tuesday instead because the Sunday in question is a public holiday.
So the 25th.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 17:19:03 UTC No. 222706
I wish I could do sumo but amateur clubs in the west seem ridiculously rare.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 17:21:37 UTC No. 222707
>>222706
Isn't judo pretty similar?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 17:27:49 UTC No. 222708
>>222707
Yes! Judo will be my substitute, that's what I'm aiming for anyhow
Hoshoryu was a judoka you know! It works!
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 17:31:43 UTC No. 222709
>>222708
You could be like Yamato and get into WWE wrestling.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:01:07 UTC No. 222714
>>222706
I looked into it and what really turned me off was how much they all seemed to be leaning into the Dewanojo style of sumo. Like just fat fucks, plain and simple.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:04:03 UTC No. 222717
>>222714
Just henka/ashitori them constantly?
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:04:56 UTC No. 222718
>>222689
clapping looks so weird played backwards
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:05:05 UTC No. 222719
>>222714
If they had any actual skill then they'd either be heavyweight wrestlers/judoka or football linemen. Sumo is just too niche otherwise.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:15:13 UTC No. 222720
>>222714
You can just say you know you would be btfo
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:56:31 UTC No. 222724
>>222714
Fat fuck sumo is cringe.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:16:04 UTC No. 222725
>>222708
Ura was also an amateur judo champion IIRC.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:32:10 UTC No. 222727
>>222697
i hope so as well, fuck that retard-faced moron.l
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:47:31 UTC No. 222728
Reminder of just how seriously Aonishiki is taking what he's doing. As a kid fleeing the conflict in Ukraine whose life was basically saved by being allowed to join a beya, he's fully commit himself to it. He practiced and mastered the language as a show of basic respect, and his level of sumo goes without saying. If you haven't already noticed, watch as he enters or leaves the arena for his matches. His bow to the dohyo is always deep as fuck. Can't wait to see what he's capable of in makuuchi.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:49:59 UTC No. 222729
>>222728
I bet Aonishiki would've won that knife fight in that one video
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:27:20 UTC No. 222730
Imagine watching sumo just to cheer for a random white guy
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 21:21:20 UTC No. 222738
>>222730
NTA, but good sumo is good sumo. And his sumo is good.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 22:00:29 UTC No. 222742
>>222730
I don't really care much for that aspect of it, but seeing someone do top level sumo while being truly thankful for the opportunity it's given him in life is a nice change. Maybe if the nips cared half as much they'd have a zuna by now.
Anonymous at Wed, 5 Feb 2025 22:12:53 UTC No. 222743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ti
I see what you mean about Hokuseiho's sumo being boring now. He's just a big tree.
>Tachiai is just him standing up
>His gameplan is leaning his weight on his opponent to tire them out
That 10th match against Ura was a joke. Zero tachiai, his sheer size resists Ura's throw attempts, then when Ura is tired he just walks him out. The 15th match against Ichi was just bad.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 03:50:32 UTC No. 222757
>>222728
>As a kid fleeing the conflict in Ukraine
*as a potential conscript
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 04:24:29 UTC No. 222759
>>222706
>>222708
Judo is a good martial art and probably the one easiest to find. You should also look into various flavors of wrestling and sambo, which are less common but way more available than sumo. Unfortunately the grappling martial arts with the most similarity to sumo are almost as rare (shuai jiao), if not more-so (Mongolian bokh).
>>222725
Ura was a junior level Greco-Roman wrestling champ.
>>222714
While not exceptional, the skill level in amasumo has improved. People are kind of taking it seriously nowadays whereas before it was exclusively fat fucks doing it for fun.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 04:28:05 UTC No. 222761
>>222743
Hokuseiho, like so many other massive dudes in sports, have to really try to get out of the "just use my size" way of doing things. It's like guys coming out of high school and college and all they can do is 70% push, 20% shove, 10% grabs. He's an extreme case because he's not anywhere near normal sized. Getting carried so hard by a genetic dice roll is not something that many people experience. Pride, hard headedness, difficulty in changing methods, etc. He COULD have been another Akebono, theoretically, but we never got to find out if he really would have been, and we never will.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 04:54:27 UTC No. 222764
>>222645
>Sure, but hokuseiho has a double digit iq and hakuho got him to the top division at ~22
Hokuseiho was a high school champion who was 200 cm 158 kg when he was 18 years old. Retard though he may be, he was still somewhat of a ringer.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 05:35:39 UTC No. 222770
>>222743
>>222761
There was one time, one match when Hokuseihou showed his true potential, and then he never did it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEm
Hokuseihou - Asanoyama, Nagoya 2023.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 06:15:34 UTC No. 222771
>>222770
I wonder what he's going to do with the rest of his life
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 06:37:56 UTC No. 222772
>>222771
Seethe and not learn a single thing from this.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 07:56:02 UTC No. 222777
>>222689
I guess maybe this sort of this isn't really the norm anymore but this sounds a lot like how Konishiki describes his experience of being a lower ranker.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:06:03 UTC No. 222779
>>222778
I'm both posts in the image and the one you're replying to. Life's funny, isn't it?
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 09:50:20 UTC No. 222782
>>222771
Make like a tree and leave.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 10:24:49 UTC No. 222785
>>222689
WHO WAS THE LADIES UNDERWEAR FOR
HER OR TOBI
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 11:09:15 UTC No. 222786
>>222757
conscription age in ukraine is 25
aonishiki is only 20
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:12:34 UTC No. 222793
>>222786
>only 20
>one of the fastest rises to makuuchi
Damn, we might actually have a euro yokozuna contender.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:32:01 UTC No. 222794
>>222786
>>222793
Holy shit I did not know he was younger than me. Kid looks like he could be 30, but he can't even drink yet. Damn.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:35:26 UTC No. 222795
>>222794
In Japan it's 20. In Ukraine it's 18. He can drink.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:20:15 UTC No. 222799
>>222786
25? I thought they were taking this war seriously
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:29:09 UTC No. 222803
>>222404
Tokushoryu looks great.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:34:22 UTC No. 222804
>>222404
So shiny
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:42:01 UTC No. 222806
>>222583
>what Konishiki would think of the shit that guys like Oushouma do.
He gave an interview talking about how he would absolutely beat the shit out of anyone that tried to bully him during practice and, amazingly enough, the bullying stopped.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:46:56 UTC No. 222807
>>222806
That's how a man handles his shit
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:09:04 UTC No. 222811
>>222807
That only works if you are one on one with your assailant and are actually stronger. That tends to not be how actual bullying works. Even kindergardeners will gang up on whoever they're bullying.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:18:27 UTC No. 222812
>>222811
The weak are meat and the strong do eat
Also it never sounds like this is group bullying but usually just one guy being a dick
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:20:07 UTC No. 222813
>>222811
The idea is that if you show a bully you'll resist, they'll look for an easier target. Depends on the type of people doing the bullying and a lot of other factors of course, but it's probably a little more successful of a tactic than just taking it.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:57:28 UTC No. 222820
>>222811
Spoken like a true pussy. Bullies bully people because they don't fight back. The moment most bullies experience resistance, they tend to choose an easier target, and that's why it's important to teach kids to fight back instead of being cowards.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:59:44 UTC No. 222821
>>222813
>more successful of a tactic than just taking it.
Bullies exist exactly because cowards "just take it".
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:03:06 UTC No. 222822
>>222819
Based Hiradoumi enjoyer
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:05:58 UTC No. 222823
>>222822
I'm not.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:10:20 UTC No. 222825
>>222813
>>222821
The bullies I've encountered seemed entertained by resistance so I could never shake them off.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:18:48 UTC No. 222827
>>222823
Cringe tasteless Hiradoumi hater
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:20:44 UTC No. 222828
>>222820
Should've caught you too. But yeah, I would always resist as a kid and all it got me was that the teachers started blaming me, as if resisting is the same or even worse than starting it.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 18:27:34 UTC No. 222829
>>222812
>it never sounds like this is group bullying but usually just one guy being a dick
In sumo, yes. But then there's usually a power differential; the high-rankers tend to bully the low-rankers. And if you're a high ranker, I imagine you can 1v1 whatever low-ranker you chose to abuse. And guess who the oyakata cares more about?
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 19:57:23 UTC No. 222842
>>222829
It's ridiculous in the first place that an oyakata can take on a job where he manages so many men in an environment that has no work/life balance or boundaries, all without any qualifications beyond being close to the previous job holder. None of these men are qualified to be looking after teenage boys, and the fact that it's not at all uncommon to hear about bullying and harassment in stables is proof of that.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:14:17 UTC No. 222845
>>222842
You're basically describing monarchism, except monarchs are trained from birth to rule. I'm not going to suggest some huge changes to the system like a lot of western fans tend to, but maybe an obligatory course in pedagogy before taking over a heya?
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:18:10 UTC No. 222846
>>222842
Sekitori are expected to take leadership and mentorship within their own stables, so it's not jumping into the elder role with complete inexperience. It's why there's a requirement for a specific number of tournaments at sekitori (30 total, or 20 maegashira, or any sanyaku) to ensure they've spent enough time mentoring the rest of the stable. It's supposed to go veteran sekitori -> junior coach -> stable master.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:50:25 UTC No. 222847
>>222842
Dude these guys are just naturally rough with each other. It's in the nature of the sport. A soft heya could never churn out a top contender.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 21:12:38 UTC No. 222849
>>222847
As we are seeing right now with Futagoyama
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 21:17:37 UTC No. 222850
>>222846
Yea, but all the while they are being taught by guys who never cared or were taught to care about these issues. Can't turn course fast enough.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 21:18:37 UTC No. 222851
>>222842
That's pretty disingenuous, anon. It's not like they're just guys off the street. The guy that inherits a beya is subject to requirements like >>222846 said, but more importantly those requirements implicitly mean the guy came up within the beya environment. That is, he went through the typical progression of being a low ranker, doing chores, rising through the hierarchy, experiencing the different roles from different sides, and lastly getting leadership experience as a top ranker (because that's always who gets the beya)
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 21:30:38 UTC No. 222854
>>222758
God, I would totally watch a ramen western with Ichinojo as the villain.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 21:32:29 UTC No. 222855
>>222785
The mawashi chafes, Anon.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:06:53 UTC No. 222856
>>222846
>>222851
Why is it a good thing that an oyakata rose through the ranks in the stable environment, when the stable environment itself is so deeply flawed? You're just training people to carry on the cycles of mismanagement and abuse. Your predecessor was unqualified, thus so are you. No other business accepts this sort of thing. No other sports federation in Japan accepts this. Managers, teachers, coaches, and the like must all prove their maturity, competence, and trustworthiness by getting formal, standardised qualifications handed out by impartial bodies. You're not allowed to teach arithmetic to children without obtaining all manner of certificates - why should you be allowed to teach young lads sumo from a position of unquestionable authority as the head of a household with no formal training at all? This is not a professional way to raise athletes that represent Japan's national sport and a venerated cultural tradition. It's no wonder recruitment numbers are plummeting.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:08:46 UTC No. 222857
>>222782
heh
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:10:32 UTC No. 222858
>>222856
The apprenticeship model was the backbone of economic development in labour-based fields for millennia until rich Americans pushed university degrees for the purposes of creating fake credentials for their nepo hires and destroying the power of trade unions. Sumo doesn't need to become Americanized.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:13:18 UTC No. 222859
>>222856
Ridiculous take. Sumo is much more than a sport and every part of a rikishi's life, including the experiences in a beya, is part of that tradition. It is more important to maintain that tradition, authentically, than it is to pursue the most efficient, "professional" form.
If the sumo beya looked like an NFL training camp, it would lose what makes it true sumo.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:55:36 UTC No. 222863
>>222859
There is almost nothing in sumo today that remains unchanged from its inception. Aspects of sumo have been changed for petty reasons like making it easier for TV cameras to film matches. The current system for stable management, inheritance, and funding is not an ancient tradition, the concept of a yokozuna is surprisingly modern, the idea that wrestlers should fight six tournaments a year is younger than most people's grandparents, and the kosho injury system no longer exists. It is perfectly acceptable to the JSA and to the public in general for parts of sumo life to change, often quite radically, for minor reasons or for no reason at all save the whims of those who hold the reins. When a tradition is an active hindrance to the welfare and development of sumo wrestlers, that tradition can and should be changed.
>>222858
Americans didn't invent formal qualifications. England has university posts older than the USA.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:58:32 UTC No. 222864
>>222863
Completely and utterly missing the point. This silly list of cherry picked gotchas is meaningless.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:58:44 UTC No. 222865
>>222863
>England has university posts older than the USA.
And those were intended to be specifically for academic pursuits, not labour qualifications. It was America that pushed the "get a four year degree at a prestigious university for $100k+tip to press buttons on a keyboard for the rest of your life" mentality.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:15:43 UTC No. 222866
>>222864
There's no need to cherry pick to support my position. You'd have to get a damn good cherry picker to find aspects of sumo that are suitably authentic in relation to its roots, though. You're right that it's meaningless though - the appeal to tradition is not a valid excuse for piss-poor workplace practices and the abdication of the duty of care. Even if it had been done this way for millennia (it hasn't) it wouldn't be justified, and it should be stamped out like other dangerous and unpleasant traditions, like Chinese foot binding or serfdom.
>>222865
I'm just not going to bother with this one.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:16:08 UTC No. 222867
>>222865
Simply untrue. The very first university - University of Bologna - was founded by a bunch of students who collectively hired teachers so that they could later become petty bureaucrats.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:30:23 UTC No. 222868
>>222863
>>222866
Getting a fake degree from Literally Who University will not make anyone a better sumo elder.
Pro sports has never required formal education for its coaches and managers either. Some tout their formal education as "proof" of being a more versatile thinker, but ultimately the only prerequisite for being a coach or manager is "the owner is willing to pay money to hire you." They have fewer prerequisites than a sumo elder, which at least requires you to a) be strongly familiar with sumo by way of sumo experience, and b) be already ingratiated enough with the existing JSA elders to acquire elder stock.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:43:29 UTC No. 222869
>>222842
do teacher qualifications stop young kinds from bullying other kids at school?
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:44:01 UTC No. 222870
>>222868
Organisations that pay people to take positions of responsibility require some form of proof that that person is suitable for the role. It is incredibly unprofessional and a huge risk (financial and otherwise) if that "proof" is that you're friends with the people paying you. This is especially relevant when someone assumes a quasi-parental role as a live-in guardian for children, as many oyakatas do. It's not a matter of getting a degree just to say you're educated, it's a question of being properly trained in the skills and responsibilities you need in order to do your job. There can be no arguments in favour of the current system for training oyakatas when a new scandal comes out once or twice every single year, rooted solidly and entirely in the oyakata in question's inability to manage his charges.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:49:22 UTC No. 222872
>>222870
>Organisations that pay people to take positions of responsibility require some form of proof that that person is suitable for the role.
And in sumo, that proof is being a veteran sekitori for a specified amount of time, which is proof that you have aided the elders in your stable in providing a mentor and leadership role, which then allows you to progress to being a junior assistant elder aiding the stablemaster. There is no other standard of qualification that could be created that would better prove that an elder has the necessary training, because in order to create such a qualification they would need to be trained by people capable of teaching those skills. At that point, you're either being taught by an existing elder, which is the system that currently exists, or you're being taught by somebody with no connection to sumo whatsoever, which means they have no clue what sumo life is actually like and cannot impart proper teaching with regard to the sumo environment.
tl;dr you're arguing for the wholesale destruction of sumo, and can rightfully fuck the hell off
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:49:27 UTC No. 222873
>>222870
>Walmart does it this way!
Just stop. This is an absurd line of thinking and realistically you are never, ever going to change anything. Further, it's absurd to characterize rikishi as children. Your 2025 liberal sensibilities are irrelevant.
And since scandal is such a cardinal sin in your eyes, I challenge you to find a single scandal free year in any American or European sport. You are being ridiculous.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:52:51 UTC No. 222874
Most of the world's top talents didn't learn what they do best formally.
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Feb 2025 23:55:09 UTC No. 222875
>>222873
>And since scandal is such a cardinal sin in your eyes, I challenge you to find a single scandal free year in any American or European sport. You are being ridiculous.
To drive home this point, at least sumo wrestlers aren't straight up gangraping women like they are in the average scandal in my other favourite sport. The worst I've heard on that front was Ryuden, and for him the fucking was consensual, it was the cheating and forced abortion that were the problem.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:00:22 UTC No. 222877
>>222872
NTA, but they already make rikishi take courses on financial responsibility. I don't see what the big deal would be to make oyakatas take some courses too.
>>222873
>it's absurd to characterize rikishi as children
>Age at entry: 15-23 years.
Topkek.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:00:37 UTC No. 222878
>>222842
>without any qualifications
What a dumb ass fucking take. People have children without any "qualifications" and do fine.
Meanwhile Oyakata grow up in a stable and learn all the Sumo shit first hand before being able to run their own stable.
You sound like a typical leftist piece of shit that thinks they know what's best for society, while everyone else is just ignorant and needs YOUR leadership.
Fuck off to /redddit/ with your pathetic ass.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:03:03 UTC No. 222879
>>222877
>NTA, but they already make rikishi take courses on financial responsibility. I don't see what the big deal would be to make oyakatas take some courses too.
Well since all oyakatas are ex-rikishi, it means they've taken those couses already.
JSA already has business consultants to help run the broader overarching finances of the organization, everything else is just telling stables "okay you have a budget of this much yen per month" and letting them handle their own business.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:15:32 UTC No. 222881
>>222877
Some oyakata do take masters courses for sports science/business to supplement their existing experience when establishing their own stables; I do know that Nishonoseki and Ajigawa did this at the very least, not sure who else though.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:17:24 UTC No. 222882
>>222879
>they've taken those couses already
Did you actually think I wanted them to take courses on financial responsibility? That's clearly not the issue here. Have them take courses on psychology, pedagogy, management or whatever else deals in handling a bunch of kids and young adults.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:20:51 UTC No. 222883
>>222881
Missed you. Mostly the same answer, though. It's nice that they do, but the floor needs to be raised, I'd say. Some obligatory courses in the right subjects might help.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:23:23 UTC No. 222884
Can we just beat the shit out of this retard already
Let's paddle him with a broom handle like Hokoseiho would've
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:27:53 UTC No. 222885
>>222861
>Had it not been for the laws of this land, I would've slaughtered you.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 00:33:06 UTC No. 222886
>>222856
Thanks, Chris.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 01:24:11 UTC No. 222889
>>222882
They already take those "courses," in the form of acting in a leadership and mentorship role within the stable as a veteran sekitori. Fake paper from literally whoville won't help them when those fake courses have fuckall to do with sumo.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 03:00:53 UTC No. 222897
>>221571
>>221715
teru was going to retire regardless of who beat him a second time
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 03:42:05 UTC No. 222899
tobizaru intai
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 04:16:54 UTC No. 222902
>>222899
big if true
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 05:41:13 UTC No. 222906
>>222813
>if you show a bully you'll resist, they'll look for an easier target
absolute retardation
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 05:55:54 UTC No. 222908
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 06:01:38 UTC No. 222909
>>222889
Why do you seem convinced that any attempt to educate anyone about anything is "fake paper from nobody"?
Why the fuck would it be detrimental to have every oyakata go through a short course explaining to them the benefits of not beating the shit out of their teenage dependents? It can even be in-house, just for you, led by an oyakata who rarely beats his charges and can explain to others newly entering the oyakata role why it has brought better results to his heya.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 07:14:40 UTC No. 222911
>>222907
That looks kinda bad, but I want to see it
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 07:20:13 UTC No. 222912
>>222828
>the teachers started blaming me, as if resisting is the same or even worse than starting it.
Yeah this is a direct consequence of foid teachers, one of many reasons they shouldn't be allowed past like the third grade. Foids just want to minimize violence, which they fear and don't understand, and they blame anyone involved in a fight for increasing the amount of violence and think that "just ignoring it" is somehow going to solve anything. "Yes but you didn't have to hit back" blah de blah.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 07:25:38 UTC No. 222913
>>222909
>Why the fuck would it be detrimental to have every oyakata go through a short course explaining to them the benefits of not beating the shit out of their teenage dependents?
Yes, because a mandatory powerpoint lecture will stop oyakata from beating the shit out of their teens with golf clubs.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 10:19:36 UTC No. 222918
>>222913
It provides grounds for summary dismissal, instead of this 'I didn't know I wasn't supposed to beat them' apology + docked salary shit we usually get. The legitimized threat of dismissal invites a decrease in physical abuse.
Literally almost anything would be better at combating the problem than the current approach.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 11:18:45 UTC No. 222919
>>222909
>>222918
The stablemaster himself beating the wrestlers isn't something that's a common scandal anymore. Now it's a case of senior wrestlers bullying junior wrestlers, so you admit you have no idea what the actual "problem" is. Further, you admit that you're still fine with senior elders training junior elders, something that happens already in the existing setting, as long as it's in the form of a time-wasting powerpoint in a stuffy classroom and not actually in a format relevant to sumo. Absolute clown mentality.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 12:15:21 UTC No. 222921
>>222919
>you have no idea what the actual "problem" is
I gave you an example of doing the bare fucking minimum and you interpreted it as a comprehensive plan.
>you admit that you're still fine with senior elders training junior elders
I am not the person you were speaking with earlier, who also never said he wasn't okay with that.
There is no logical reason to oppose one generation imparting information to the next. The discussion concerns whether or not it is realistic to assume that any oyakata is capable of giving to whoever follows him a complete and correct understanding of what ought to be done in one's capacity as an oyakata. I would argue that no, it is not realistic.
No one here is interested in continued macho posturing about 'the way things have to be'.
>a format relevant to sumo
What, you want senior oyakata to beat up the junior oyakata? Are you sure you're okay?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 13:04:12 UTC No. 222922
Honestly after watching the Spiffy video on Tobi I'm even less convinced of the claims.
>He invited a woman to his house to try and save money!!!
Fucking what? Tobi has been a top division and sometimes sanyaku rikishi for years and has farmed Teru for kinboshi. This is the same guy who spends $800 a pop on bottles of face lotion. Sparing expenses when it comes to a woman? Fuck off, that's obviously ridiculous.
>He had attendants come to his house to cook and run errands including women's sanitary products and underwear!!!
To me it sounds like Tobi is trying to impress some girl and just wanted a big properly cooked meal to do it with. Maybe she's been on her period and didn't bring spare things with her and Tobi has sent an attendant to the store to get some. Awkward situation maybe, but I'm still not seeing anything awful here.
>He told an attendant to get into a bath that was too hot!!!
Dude, if someone ran a bath for you that was way too hot, saying to them "How about YOU get in it?" not only isn't bullying, but it is in fact probably the single most common thing that any human being on the fucking planet would say.
>He forced someone to spar with him for 30 minutes when they got back from injury and kicked them in the face!!!
Now we're just back to how rikishi are rough with each other. The guy was injured, he's out of shape, so Tobi put him through a harsh session to get him back into the swing of things.
>BUT THE RIKISHI COULD'VE DIED!!!
This is just insane nonsense at this point.
That the piece starts off accusing Tobi of wanted to save money when a woman is involved should be all you need to know about the rest of it.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:02:09 UTC No. 222925
>>222919
Why does everything in sumo need to be self-contained? They don't live in a mountain monastery, they're professional athletes under the auspices of a government department. Elders shouldn't be allowed to run the sport as if it's a medieval guild of craftsmen.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:13:09 UTC No. 222927
Sumo is a rustic sport, for lack of a better term. It's not supposed to be clean cut and clinical, it's supposed to be what it's been for centuries.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:51:11 UTC No. 222929
>>222925
>Elders shouldn't be allowed to run the sport as if it's a medieval guild of craftsmen.
That's where you're wrong, kiddo! On the contrary, elders of more activities should be allowed to run those as though they're a medieval guild of craftsmen. Not just in Japan, either.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:56:46 UTC No. 222931
>>222921
>if it's not a powerpoint then it's beatings, there are no other options
Are you high?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:16:20 UTC No. 222932
Good day, fellas. I see the discussuion is going well and much progress has been made.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:52:23 UTC No. 222934
>>222931
What would be a "format relevant to sumo" in which to educate someone which does not involve physical violence? Would you like them to receive the same lecture about abuse, but from a gyouji, so it's thematically appropriate?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:06:00 UTC No. 222938
Can we cet Chartanon in here with an updated ranking accounting for Sobrino (Forma de Cuerda)?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:07:57 UTC No. 222940
>>222934
Why do you assume everything has to be a sit-down classroom lecture?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:08:13 UTC No. 222941
>>222932
Yeah in the sense that this dipshit has ignored everything that demonstrates he's wrong and a dipshit and just carried on with his asshat dipshittery as if nobody was disagreeing with him.
Again, I say we should just paddle him with a broom handle like Hokuseiho would've wanted us to.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:13:51 UTC No. 222942
>>222922
Hope he sees this bro
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:30:09 UTC No. 222946
>>222940
Why do you think that talking to someone about something equates to a sit-down classroom lecture? You seem to have a really bizarre complex about education, and it's sticking out more than you think it is.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:34:46 UTC No. 222949
>>222946
Because the argument was about qualifications and courses in the context of doing something differently from the current system. At no point in this conversation has anyone actually given an idea of what that would mean other than sit-down formal education courses.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:44:10 UTC No. 222952
>>222949
Nor has he proven that such courses actually produce better outcomes, from his very telling ignoring of my challenge to find a single scandal free year from ANY American or European sport.
Hell, show me a school or college that's never had a scandal. That's where they hand out these holy, ultimate certifications isn't it? So all colleges are going to be beacons of virtue and efficency isn't that so?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:53:23 UTC No. 222954
>>222952
I even specifically brought up that another sport, specifically hockey, keeps having one gangrape scandal after another. Not just "sexual harassment," but actual organized gangrapes by junior hockey players, because even at that age they think they're powerful enough to get away with it. A single matchfixing scandal resulted in almost 20% of sekitori being forced to retire and the cancellation of an entire tournament. If anything on the level of North American sports happened in sumo, even one (1) such scandal would legitimately kill the JSA dead, they would not recover and would be replaced with local festival sumo. Sumo "scandals" are absolutely nothing compared to what regularly goes on in other sports on a consistent basis.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:56:47 UTC No. 222955
>>222954
>A linebacker could generate WAY more uproar than a rikishi
FUCK...we lose again...
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:32:02 UTC No. 222962
>>222955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrm
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:50:22 UTC No. 222964
>>222954
Do keep in mind that there are only around 600 active sumo wrestlers, and the entire JSA's revenue last year was equivalent to only 83 million USD. The Kokugikan, if it was in Europe, would be deemed too small for most official women's football matches.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:54:40 UTC No. 222966
>>222964
>too small for most official women's football matches.
Sure but people would actually show up to a sumo match lol
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:04:00 UTC No. 222968
>>222906
>absolute retardation
Nope. You're just a coward.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:05:31 UTC No. 222969
>>222925
It's JAPAN, faggot, not your shithole nation or culture. Don't like it, don't watch it.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:06:55 UTC No. 222971
>>222927
>Sumo is a rustic sport
Baseball is a sport. Soccer is a sport. Sumo is a way of life, not a sport.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:45:26 UTC No. 222974
>>222971
Japan cares about the preservation of its history and culture.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:46:44 UTC No. 222975
>>222927
Sumo was better back before rikishi were allowed to touch the ring with the bottoms of their feet. That one rule ruined the whole thing.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:48:14 UTC No. 222976
I love Sumo
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:00:26 UTC No. 222978
>>222974
>Japan cares about the preservation of its history and culture.
The yusho car is an older tradition than the current dimensions of the dohyo.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:11:33 UTC No. 222980
>>222978
>the exact size of the dohyo is what makes Japan's history and culture
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:22:07 UTC No. 222982
>>222971
>>222973
Sumo is a sport, but the pro sumo heya system is a way of life, and any regulation of pro sumo's lifestyle needs to be adapted to serve it, not the other way around.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:23:45 UTC No. 222983
>>222969
You do realize that sumo is seen as weird and archaic by most of the Japanese, don't you? They have skyscrapers and McDonalds now, this isn't the Edo period anymore.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:30:06 UTC No. 222984
>>222982
The current heya system is less than 300 years old and has changed in many ways over its lifespan. It is not an ancient and immutable tradition. Sumo as a "way of life" that extends back into the distant past is a fiction - today's ozumo is a sports league with certain privileges given to it by the government, like being able to use the Meiji shrine for rituals.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:34:53 UTC No. 222985
>>222984
>tradition lasting over a century
>fiction
You are a fucking retard. Quit shitting up the thread and fuck off back to /reddddit/ with your stupid bullshit.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:36:28 UTC No. 222986
>>222984
300 years still makes it older than most countries on the planet and the formal rulesets for almost every major sport on the planet. You're the only tard who thinks people want sumo to be completely unchanged forever. But pro sumo has still developed under a specific system, and overhauling that system means gutting pro sumo at its core and replacing it with something different.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:44:39 UTC No. 222987
>>222984
That's how you see it. That's not how it is.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:46:01 UTC No. 222988
>>222983
Please commit sepukku by sundown. Thank you.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:47:36 UTC No. 222989
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:53:39 UTC No. 222990
>>222986
I do think "pro sumo" should be gutted. It should be replaced with professional sumo, where all the athletes are paid properly, not overworked by endless touring in-between tournaments, given top-tier physio and rehab after injuries instead of being allowed to cripple themselves fighting through them, and not treated like personal servants by men higher up the ranking chart. The current system is cancerous and backward, which is why Japanese boys don't want to do it and choose other sports instead. The refusal to change and modernise is killing the sport.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:56:56 UTC No. 222991
>>222990
I think you're a dumb faggot with dumb opinions.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:57:51 UTC No. 222992
>>222989
Eunuch detected.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:00:06 UTC No. 222994
>>222990
Okay cool.
With what money? Higher pay means they need more money. Better physio and rehab means they need more money. Hiring staff to look after the training facilities means they need more money. And dropping the regional tours means they lose a substantial amount of money. Where is all this money going to come from, without killing professional sumo completely?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:00:20 UTC No. 222995
>>222992
What's a long distance to drive to visit relatives?
>A: 10 miles
>B: 100 miles
>C: 1000 miles
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:01:53 UTC No. 222996
>>222989
The heya system predates the current existence of your country.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:05:45 UTC No. 222997
>>222994
Given that sumo is Japan's national sport and that Japanophiles make up a significant percentage of tourists, I think the Japanese goverment should put far more funding and investment into sumo than they currently do. Japan is a competitive country on the world stage where sports are concerned, and has proven that it can produce world-class athletes. It's ridiculous that the national sport is run on a shoestring budget by a gang of old men with CTE in a country that's sufficiently prosperous and capable of hosting the Olympic Games.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:09:58 UTC No. 222998
>>222997
Okay, so your logic is to put the existence of professional sumo, a sport that does not have Olympic presence or any prestigious international presence at all, entirely in the hands of a group of politicians whose whims can change in an instant, instead of letting the JSA be consistently self-sufficient as a tourist attraction.
And do not for your own sake argue that Japan can try to make sumo more prestigious internationally, because the yen is weak and they will never have the resources for that. You'd have a better chance convincing Vince McMahon to make an American pro sumo league with all the Americanisms involved.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:20:37 UTC No. 223001
>>222998
My position is that Japan is more than capable of funding and promoting its own national sport to a much higher caliber than it currently does. Furthermore, I believe that the main obstacle standing in the way of such progress is the apathy and laziness necessary to allow the JSA to run the national sport as a tourist attraction, in a country that consistently punches well above its weight in terms of athletic quality and sports promotion. I think it's insane that Japan doesn't seem to care about sumo enough to give it the funding and investment it needs and deserves.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:24:03 UTC No. 223004
>>223001
Capability and willingness are two completely different things, and even then Japan's economy is less capable than you think they are to put that level of funding into sumo without sacrificing in other areas.
And as to willingness, my point is you cannot guarantee that the government or business interests will fund sumo the way you think they should. "Hey give us more money." "No." Then what? JSA's current system allows them to act self-sufficiently while relying on a minimal amount of government handouts and a modest amount of corporate funding in the form of sponsorships.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:34:08 UTC No. 223006
>>223004
Of course it's a question of willingness, that's the point. Those "government or business interests" are willing to make Japan into a sporting powerhouse, but content to let sumo fall by the wayside and live off charity. That is madness. It is mad to entrust a cultural icon and a national sport to a body run like the JSA.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:38:19 UTC No. 223007
>>223006
Sumo is not a major international sport. They want to make Japan into an international sporting powerhouse, emphasized the Japan is tied with Italy for third most modern Olympics hosted, and that tie is only including Italy hosting next year. They want international prestige and a boatload of international tourism related to hosting major international competitions. Sumo simply put is not one of them, and will not be one of them until every country other than Japan starts funding sumo enough to make it a major international sport.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:50:53 UTC No. 223009
>>223007
Sumo is their national sport, though. I think it's hypocritical to emphasise your sporting credentials while treating your own sport as an afterthought. In that respect I agree with the arch-conservatives and defenders of tradition - sumo is important, even if it isn't as prestigious as the Olympics or baseball, and even if it isn't as profitable as other sports, care should be taken to not only preserve it, but ensure that it prospers. You're right that sumo has precious little international presence, and that means that if it's allowed to collapse in Japan, it will just be gone for good.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:55:39 UTC No. 223010
>>223009
All the more important for it to continue in the system that has allowed it to continue nationally and self-sufficiently, instead of replacing it with a system that runs on political will and vibes.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:04:18 UTC No. 223011
>>223010
As opposed to the political will and vibes of the JSA itself? I just don't think they're doing a very good job of things as things stand, and I don't think they have any idea how to reverse the decline. The world beyond sumo keeps changing as a blistering pace, and things that worked at the turn of the century are working less and less well now. If sumo doesn't change and modernise it will simply die out, and nobody wants that.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:07:04 UTC No. 223012
>>223011
>If sumo doesn't change and modernise it will simply die out
source: trust me bro
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:08:00 UTC No. 223013
>>223011
By all accounts the JSA is comfortable financially. They've come out of the covid slump and are continuing to grow in ticket sales and revenue. Unless you have proof otherwise, yelling "they have to change because...they just have to okay!" isn't convincing.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:09:29 UTC No. 223014
>>223011
>As opposed to the political will and vibes of the JSA itself?
Yes? The JSA has a vested interest in keeping itself going, because if it dies out all of them will lose everything they have. If you put the decisions in the hands of business executives or politicians, they have no such incentive because sumo will just be one asset of many and will be discharged if they feel it's not worth caring about.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:12:17 UTC No. 223015
>>223011
I would absolutely prefer the death of sumo over this monstrous rape of it
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 22:15:16 UTC No. 223019
>>222983
The head of Toyota paid over $100k to be part of Hakuho's hair cutting ceremony. You are literally a homosexual.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 22:17:17 UTC No. 223020
>>222990
More young Japanese kids would want to get into sumo if it had a strong Japanese yokozuna TO BE FUCKING DESU. Hoshoryu is one thing, but Onosato is another.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 22:22:37 UTC No. 223022
>>223021
All me
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 22:23:54 UTC No. 223023
>>223022
Tobi...
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:03:01 UTC No. 223026
>>223011
>If sumo doesn't change and modernize it will simply die out
This is the truth nobody wants to acknowledge. Being a rikishi fucking sucks, every single aspect of it. There are too many wrong things with the way of life of a rikishi to type them out, anyone smart enough knows what's the problem and in the era of information people are well aware of it.
One of the things that people don't talk about is the retirement, if you didn't make it to the top 15% of Sumo then it's fucking over in your life after Sumo. You retire with no money and no skills other than chanko making, how to tear open glued wallets and female underwear buying.
>>223020
this is also truth, it's been almost 25 years since a strong JAPANESE Yokozuna presence in the dohyo. 25 FUCKING years. Before the Hana brothers it was the early 90's and that was 35 years ago. Japanese people know this, they are totally aware that Sumo has been dominated by outsiders for decades now. No proud Japanese family will let their kid join a sport in which they have no chance of making it big when a mongol just comes and rips apart nihonese assholes. Just look at the champ list, it's nothing but gaijin for 20 years straight
>inb4 Hakuho and Asashoryu are not the rule but the exception
Let's see if in the next 5 years anything changes, but Hoshoryu becoming a 'zuna before KotoACK! is not a good sign and a huge black pill.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:05:31 UTC No. 223027
>>223026
>One of the things that people don't talk about is the retirement, if you didn't make it to the top 15% of Sumo then it's fucking over in your life after Sumo. You retire with no money and no skills other than chanko making, how to tear open glued wallets and female underwear buying.
And how is this different from any other profession? Success is not owed to anyone.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:06:34 UTC No. 223028
>>223026
Ack has always been the fool's hope, Onosato will be yokozuna by the end of the year and will finish with more yokozuna yusho than Hosh.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:10:16 UTC No. 223030
>>223026
>One of the things that people don't talk about is the retirement, if you didn't make it to the top 15% of Sumo then it's fucking over in your life after Sumo. You retire with no money and no skills other than chanko making, how to tear open glued wallets and female underwear buying.
As much as I dislike university sumo for making guys too one-dimensional and giving them too much wear and tear before they get into pro sumo, this will actually be a blessing for sumo down the road because it means anyone who goes into pro sumo with a university degree will have a fallback option. This means they'll be more likely to try pro sumo, even if they don't have tsukedashi status, knowing if they fail they can just get a normal job. While this might lead to more university grads quitting sumo early if they can't break into sekitori, without the degree it's likely they wouldn't have tried to begin with.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:12:08 UTC No. 223031
The cycle of 4chan sumo posting
Basho ends
Seethe resides
New westerner thinks they know better
Arguments of how to make sumo great again (you are here)
Weeks of nothing
Basho starts
Someone calls it a clown basho
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:27:18 UTC No. 223033
>>223026
I remember seeing a documentary about former sumo wrestlers who didn’t make it to the sekitori ranks. It was pretty bleak. Dude was an old truck driver with bad knees, a bad back, no family, no prospects.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:31:38 UTC No. 223034
>>223033
Do you remember what it was called?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:32:53 UTC No. 223035
>>223033
I remember seeing that documentary. But I think the trucker guy reached Juryo for like 5 basho total. In any case, most of the non sekitori end up working in restaurants.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:52:01 UTC No. 223038
>>223033
>What are your qualifications for driving a truck?
>I was part of a profession that bans everyone from driving anything with a motor
>You're hired
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 00:57:51 UTC No. 223040
>>222975
>Sumo was better back before rikishi were allowed to touch the ring with the bottoms of their feet
Holy shit taste.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 01:35:24 UTC No. 223043
>>222978
>The yusho car and the size of the dohyo are both important customs of Japan's sumo tradition
Your point being...?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 01:36:25 UTC No. 223044
>>222984
>The current heya system is less than 300 years old
So is the USA, you IDIOT
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 01:41:16 UTC No. 223045
>>223026
>You retire with no money and no skills other than chanko making, how to tear open glued wallets and female underwear buying.
That's fine though, you can tear open those old wallets and find money inside! Old money, that will be worth more due to inflation.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 02:01:05 UTC No. 223048
>>223044
my city is older than that and I live in America
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 06:16:12 UTC No. 223067
>>222990
>I do think "pro sumo" should be gutted. It should be replaced with professional sumo, where all the athletes are paid properly, not overworked by endless touring in-between tournaments, given top-tier physio and rehab after injuries instead of being allowed to cripple themselves fighting through them, and not treated like personal servants by men higher up the ranking chart. The current system is cancerous and backward, which is why Japanese boys don't want to do it and choose other sports instead. The refusal to change and modernise is killing the sport.
t.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 06:37:09 UTC No. 223069
>>223067
Onosato Daiki would never.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 07:08:55 UTC No. 223070
>>223031
>New westerner thinks they know better, Arguments of how to make sumo great again
Do you think that the Japanese don't say that sumo should be made better for the rikishi? Look for any scandal mention on JP twitter and look at the responses. Half of them will be calling for reform, the other half will be gloating about how our glorious Japanese culture makes retards seethe.
Or has the first group been tainted by Western influence and they don't count as Japanese anymore?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 07:16:13 UTC No. 223072
>>223070
Calm down man, I was simply making a joke about consistent patterns.
I'm not participating in the argument.
I come here for funny sumo images.
I know these same opinions and much more are posted in japan as well.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 07:31:37 UTC No. 223074
>>223072
For me, it's talking about [jonokuchi to sandanme sweeper #20] and getting overly excited for their future as a sekitori then watching them get stonewalled in mid-makushita.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 07:38:58 UTC No. 223076
Osaka basho already sold out lol
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 07:48:33 UTC No. 223078
>>223074
I feel attacked
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 07:55:07 UTC No. 223079
>>223078
Praying that Anosho gets another KK to reach the makushita joi.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 08:16:31 UTC No. 223080
>>223031
>Basho starts
>Someone calls it a clown basho
The frontrunner and yokozuna lost on day one, I think it was warranted.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 14:50:09 UTC No. 223087
>>223080
Both Hosh and Zak won day1
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:17:02 UTC No. 223093
that was the best practice I've seen in the Futagoyama videos in months
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:31:15 UTC No. 223095
>>223093
There's finally enough Youtube money to put the boys on steroids. Look at Nabatame's bouts in the November basho and compare them to January's. At this rate, Koga will reach Sandanme by 2030.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:34:39 UTC No. 223096
>>223095
>they've all started going to the gym
>now they're taking weird supplements
Juicing is legal in Japan, isn't it? It wouldn't surprise me too much if they actually did a bit
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:43:53 UTC No. 223097
>>223096
people always claim wrestlers are juiced, mostly because of the traps area but that's bulltshit imo, seems to be part of the sumo training to have big fucking traps. I remember when people always said Tochi was roided just because of this.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:55:06 UTC No. 223098
>>223097
People also claimed Toch was juicing because of the scarred injection marks on his ass.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:57:06 UTC No. 223099
>>223097
Frankly it wouldn't bother me if they did use a bit. With the kind of pace that sumo wrestlers have, it would be worth it for the recovery alone.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 18:12:03 UTC No. 223101
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 18:26:57 UTC No. 223103
>>223102
>he needs underwear, stat!
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 18:46:55 UTC No. 223104
>>223102
Isn't the woman looking at Atamin's balls the one who was front row every day in November and didn't smile once?
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 19:43:38 UTC No. 223107
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 20:00:02 UTC No. 223109
>>223099
This. They don't need low fat high muscle ratios. The main reason they would juice is recovery.
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Feb 2025 23:48:40 UTC No. 223139
>>223096
>Juicing is legal in Japan, isn't it?
Pretty much. I don't think you can use the injectable shit, but oral steroids, and their derivatives, are legal there.
>It wouldn't surprise me too much if they actually did a bit
IMO they would be dumb not to take advantage of them for not only performance benefits, but for the healing benefits as well.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Feb 2025 01:45:15 UTC No. 223144
>>221953
I want to be a girl.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Feb 2025 04:06:26 UTC No. 223151
>>223104
Her smile and optimism were defeated that day.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Feb 2025 21:51:50 UTC No. 223213
>>223104
No. Very different lady.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 13:27:48 UTC No. 223374
>>222258
What performance? A 12-3 JY?